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2013-01-11 03:59:01 AM  
such as
 
2013-01-11 04:14:28 AM  
She has a 37.2342276% chance of winning.
 
2013-01-11 04:24:48 AM  
very nice very nice
 
2013-01-11 05:28:34 AM  
First story I read about her said she had "borderline Asperger's syndrome."  But Fox, of course, had to amp it up a bit.
 
2013-01-11 07:35:30 AM  
Judge Wapner rumored to have been hired as a judge this year. She is probably counting on it. But I don't think it will matter. No. Definitely not.
 
2013-01-11 08:04:48 AM  
she's hot.  yeah, definitely hot.
 
2013-01-11 08:20:20 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: First story I read about her said she had "borderline Asperger's syndrome."  But Fox, of course, had to amp it up a bit.


Is that like being borderline pregnant?
 
2013-01-11 08:24:23 AM  
Meh. Wake me up when the first Tourettes contestant is on.
 
2013-01-11 08:28:17 AM  

cretinbob: Meh. Wake me up when the first Tourettes contestant is on.


"I believe in FU*KING GOTDAMN SH*T!! BASTARD!! World Peace."
 
2013-01-11 08:31:15 AM  
*walks to the end of the runway in a bikini* *poses* FU*K YOU!! *spits a hawker, turns, walks back*
 
2013-01-11 08:31:47 AM  

minoridiot: BarkingUnicorn: First story I read about her said she had "borderline Asperger's syndrome."  But Fox, of course, had to amp it up a bit.

Is that like being borderline pregnant?


Only if there is a pregnancy spectrum.
 
2013-01-11 08:35:25 AM  
Like this?

assets.nydailynews.com

/one ticket, window seat.
 
2013-01-11 08:35:30 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: First story I read about her said she had "borderline Asperger's syndrome."  But Fox, of course, had to amp it up a bit.


"For the longest time I just really wanted to know what was wrong with me," she said. "When I was finally diagnosed I felt like it came too late."

As a parent of a kid who required hundreds of hours of speech therapy just to be able to finish a sentence, people like this really piss me off.
 
2013-01-11 08:42:46 AM  

OregonVet: *walks to the end of the runway in a bikini* *poses* FU*K YOU!! *spits a hawker, turns, walks back*


You were damn near responsible for a coffee / monitor interaction  Bravo..
 
2013-01-11 08:48:51 AM  

Bladel: BarkingUnicorn: First story I read about her said she had "borderline Asperger's syndrome."  But Fox, of course, had to amp it up a bit.


"For the longest time I just really wanted to know what was wrong with me," she said. "When I was finally diagnosed I felt like it came too late."
As a parent of a kid who required hundreds of hours of speech therapy just to be able to finish a sentence, people like this really piss me off.


I understand what you are saying, but, at least from what I am aware, "Autism" has become a very "vague" term now for a wide range of conditions (as they call it, the "spectrum").  I'm sure for someone who has a child with a much more dramatic form, it is hard seeing someone like her who is fairly well spoken talk about her "struggles", but, at least technically, she probably still has "it".  It is probably more that at this point maybe they need to have some more specific terms (and I'm sure they do, they just don't get talked about publicly much, everyone just says "Autism").
 
2013-01-11 08:49:27 AM  
Great.  Now everyone wants to have sex with a retard.
Thanks a lot, subby.
 
2013-01-11 08:52:22 AM  
There are no pictures in that article and I'm on a desktop.
 
2013-01-11 08:56:04 AM  
46.8221 degree angle knees.
 
2013-01-11 09:10:32 AM  
She looks a hell of a lot like Michelle Trachtenberg
 
2013-01-11 09:11:57 AM  

I_Am_Weasel: minoridiot: BarkingUnicorn: First story I read about her said she had "borderline Asperger's syndrome."  But Fox, of course, had to amp it up a bit.

Is that like being borderline pregnant?

Only if there is a pregnancy spectrum.


Borderline means not on the spectrum. So this headline should be: "slightly weird, socially awkward girl is pageant contestant". BFD.
 
2013-01-11 09:25:45 AM  

clydedog: I_Am_Weasel: minoridiot: BarkingUnicorn: First story I read about her said she had "borderline Asperger's syndrome."  But Fox, of course, had to amp it up a bit.

Is that like being borderline pregnant?

Only if there is a pregnancy spectrum.

Borderline means not on the spectrum. So this headline should be: "slightly weird, socially awkward girl is pageant contestant". BFD.


Pretty much this.  Altho I might tack on "trying to garner sympathy points from media & pageant judges"
 
2013-01-11 09:36:19 AM  

Lucky LaRue: Great.  Now everyone wants to have sex with a retard.
Thanks a lot, subby.


Just be careful the strength doesn't kick in while she's giving you a handjob, or she might rip your dick off.
 
2013-01-11 09:45:37 AM  
Something tells me that under the new DSM guidelines, the "borderline" wouldn't even be close.
 
2013-01-11 09:58:56 AM  
Meh. Might just be easier to convince her to pick my skin flavored popsicle.
 
2013-01-11 09:59:09 AM  
Where are the bikini pics?

Fark, I am disappoint.
 
2013-01-11 10:00:14 AM  
Wonder if she buys her panties at Wal-Mart?
 
2013-01-11 10:00:23 AM  
400 Oak Street
 
2013-01-11 10:01:01 AM  

dletter: Bladel: BarkingUnicorn: First story I read about her said she had "borderline Asperger's syndrome."  But Fox, of course, had to amp it up a bit.


"For the longest time I just really wanted to know what was wrong with me," she said. "When I was finally diagnosed I felt like it came too late."
As a parent of a kid who required hundreds of hours of speech therapy just to be able to finish a sentence, people like this really piss me off.

I understand what you are saying, but, at least from what I am aware, "Autism" has become a very "vague" term now for a wide range of conditions (as they call it, the "spectrum").  I'm sure for someone who has a child with a much more dramatic form, it is hard seeing someone like her who is fairly well spoken talk about her "struggles", but, at least technically, she probably still has "it".  It is probably more that at this point maybe they need to have some more specific terms (and I'm sure they do, they just don't get talked about publicly much, everyone just says "Autism").


getting mad at people who have it less bad is like getting mad at cancer survivors because someone in your family died of cancer (or just suffered a lot more)
 
2013-01-11 10:01:37 AM  
I think it is encouraged in Trump's Miss USA contest.
 
2013-01-11 10:02:13 AM  
Being good looking and retarded is heroic?
 
2013-01-11 10:02:38 AM  
Do I have to do everything around here?

msnbcmedia.msn.com
Hotlinked
 
2013-01-11 10:02:43 AM  
How could you tell? Most of the contestants are easily distracted by shiny things.
 
2013-01-11 10:04:26 AM  
That's retarded.
 
2013-01-11 10:04:34 AM  
"Wineman said now she is used to living with autism now"

I would have expected more from... *checks site*... never mind.
 
2013-01-11 10:05:31 AM  
She has joined the pageant as part of an effort by Miss America Corp. to improve the quality of the answers given during the question portion of the competition.
 
2013-01-11 10:05:35 AM  
After watching the interview it's tough to figure out which woman was retarded.
 
2013-01-11 10:05:39 AM  
tardsplotation is WRONG! IT'S WRONG I SAY!

twimg0-a.akamaihd.net
 
2013-01-11 10:05:44 AM  
says she wanted to learn a language like Perl, but the OO-ness of Python was much more appealing... and has a near total inability to understand Microsoft's languages, C#.
 
2013-01-11 10:06:59 AM  
Autistic miss America... Does that mean she tried but only got to Canada?
 
2013-01-11 10:07:28 AM  
The pageant is for pretty girls. Technically, a brain dead woman could win.

Heroes come cheap on Fark.
 
2013-01-11 10:08:03 AM  
Where are her paintings?

Also, we shouldn't allow her to own a firearm.
 
2013-01-11 10:08:06 AM  
Congratulations, male heterosexual and lesbian Farkers! Miss Americas are now even more unlikely to acknowledge your existence!

I bet some of you think all pretty women are autistic.
 
2013-01-11 10:08:14 AM  
I am growing so tired about hearing about people with autism, ADD, ADHD, Asperger's, etc. Can't people just stop making up names for these so-called "conditions," and take some responsibility? I get it, you are socially awkward. When I was a kid, that would just mean that you gotten beat up here and there, but you would just go home as the beaten up weird kid, not some completely dysfunctional, Ritalin popping mess with some poorly diagnosed trendy "disease" caused by getting too many vaccinations.
 
2013-01-11 10:08:18 AM  
Since when is it OK for Miss America contestants to have fangs? No dentists in Montana? Sheesh!

/Off to the gym
 
2013-01-11 10:08:34 AM  
cdn2.blogs.babble.com

Angry god, fist, etc
 
2013-01-11 10:08:38 AM  
Never go full retard !
 
2013-01-11 10:08:50 AM  
It'll be awesome when she loses it on stage
 
2013-01-11 10:09:45 AM  
www.chicagogluttons.com

oblig
 
2013-01-11 10:10:06 AM  
I'd skip Judge Wapner at 9 to hit the hell out of that....
 
2013-01-11 10:10:42 AM  
More like "aw-yeah tism"! Am I right? This guy knows what I'm talkin' about!
 
2013-01-11 10:11:04 AM  

Bladel: "For the longest time I just really wanted to know what was wrong with me," she said. "When I was finally diagnosed I felt like it came too late."
As a parent of a kid who required hundreds of hours of speech therapy just to be able to finish a sentence, people like this really piss me off.


There's at least a little redemption in being able to tell immediately that something's odd and get the appropriate counseling, training, etc. It's a whole other kind of burden to go for decades realizing that you just can't seem to click with people without being able to understand why, especially when you later find out that skilled help was available.
 
2013-01-11 10:11:29 AM  

Bladel: clydedog: I_Am_Weasel: minoridiot: BarkingUnicorn: First story I read about her said she had "borderline Asperger's syndrome."  But Fox, of course, had to amp it up a bit.

Is that like being borderline pregnant?

Only if there is a pregnancy spectrum.

Borderline means not on the spectrum. So this headline should be: "slightly weird, socially awkward girl is pageant contestant". BFD.

Pretty much this.  Altho I might tack on "trying to garner sympathy points from media & pageant judges"


...or just "Homeschooled Kid Wins Montana Beauty Pageant". Same thing.
 
2013-01-11 10:11:59 AM  

clydedog: Borderline means not on the spectrum. So this headline should be: "slightly weird, socially awkward girl is pageant contestant". BFD.


I'm not a medical professional but I thought borderline meant right on the cusp of making a definitive diagnosis meaning at this point it's sort of a matter of opinion.

It's not like autism is a binary condition like pregnancy.

I don't know if doctors use a system of scoring to determine it, but if she's only 1% away from being autistic on the scale I'd say that's within a margin of error.
 
2013-01-11 10:12:47 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: First story I read about her said she had "borderline Asperger's syndrome."  But Fox, of course, had to amp it up a bit.


To be perfectly fair, that would put her on the autism spectrum, according to DSM-V. That said, this is FOX News; I'm kind of surprised to hear them accepting any definitions beyond the original DSM.
 
2013-01-11 10:13:10 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: First story I read about her said she had "borderline Asperger's syndrome."  But Fox, of course, had to amp it up a bit.


That, or she says she autistic...repeatedly.
 
2013-01-11 10:13:16 AM  

The Angry Hand of God: I am growing so tired about hearing about people with autism, ADD, ADHD, Asperger's, etc. Can't people just stop making up names for these so-called "conditions," and take some responsibility? I get it, you are socially awkward. When I was a kid, that would just mean that you gotten beat up here and there, but you would just go home as the beaten up weird kid, not some completely dysfunctional, Ritalin popping mess with some poorly diagnosed trendy "disease" caused by getting too many vaccinations.


My nephew is autistic for real, not borderline or awkward like this girl. He is making a lot of progress but still has a lot of very serious issues. So, f*ck off..
 
2013-01-11 10:13:20 AM  
Not worth the hero tag, but good for her.
 
2013-01-11 10:13:29 AM  

The Angry Hand of God: I am growing so tired about hearing about people with autism, ADD, ADHD, Asperger's, etc. Can't people just stop making up names for these so-called "conditions," and take some responsibility? I get it, you are socially awkward. When I was a kid, that would just mean that you gotten beat up here and there, but you would just go home as the beaten up weird kid, not some completely dysfunctional, Ritalin popping mess with some poorly diagnosed trendy "disease" caused by getting too many vaccinations.


Opinions, Farkers? Occasionally worthwhile and just being an especially obnoxious troll today, or ignore-bait?
 
2013-01-11 10:13:33 AM  
she has a very mild case, but congrats to her for continuing with life through her autism.
 
2013-01-11 10:15:31 AM  
Cool. coolcoolcool.

/I'd count to her potato, ifyaknowhatimsayin.
 
2013-01-11 10:15:49 AM  
FTFA She said she struggles to communicate at times. She also said she often takes things too literally.

Looking clueless and giving stupid answers is pretty much an asset for a beauty pageant, so in fact a 'sperger might even possess an advantage.
 
2013-01-11 10:16:17 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: First story I read about her said she had "borderline Asperger's syndrome."  But Fox, of course, had to amp it up a bit.


Talk to the guys who put out the DSM the current volume gets rid of all of the different diagnoses and just calls it all Autism, levels 1-4 I believe.

So she could be Autism Level 1
 
2013-01-11 10:16:36 AM  
www.carloscardoso.com

"'Contrived, manipulative, and shamelessly sentimental' raves Peter Travers from Rolling Stone."
 
2013-01-11 10:18:56 AM  

Happy Hours:

I don't know if doctors use a system of scoring to determine it, but if she's only 1% away from being autistic on the scale I'd say that's within a margin of error.


There is a scoring model, 4 different groups of "symptoms" . You score 2 in group 1 and then 1 in the other three groups you're on the ASD.

Depending on the symptoms shown and the number of them you get a level 1-4 diagnosis. No more different diagnoses.
 
2013-01-11 10:19:52 AM  
Pageants, and the training that goes into them, sounds pretty much like the perfect way to get someone who doesn't understand personal interactions to learn a formula for dealing with people.

doubled99: The pageant is for pretty girls. Technically, a brain dead woman could win.


You're thinking of Miss USA. Pretty is the only requirement for Trump's system. Miss America requires a "platform", aka some kind of cause, as well as a stage talent, which means most of the girls at Miss America have spent hundreds of hours involved in community service, in addition to the practice it requires to perform a talent in front of hundreds of people.
 
2013-01-11 10:21:18 AM  
She's a shoe-in for the Miss Congenital sash.
 
2013-01-11 10:21:23 AM  

Carn: The Angry Hand of God: I am growing so tired about hearing about people with autism, ADD, ADHD, Asperger's, etc. Can't people just stop making up names for these so-called "conditions," and take some responsibility? I get it, you are socially awkward. When I was a kid, that would just mean that you gotten beat up here and there, but you would just go home as the beaten up weird kid, not some completely dysfunctional, Ritalin popping mess with some poorly diagnosed trendy "disease" caused by getting too many vaccinations.

My nephew is autistic for real, not borderline or awkward like this girl. He is making a lot of progress but still has a lot of very serious issues. So, f*ck off..


I would like to second that f*ck off. I've counseled college students on the autism spectrum and it's a lot more than being awkward. People with Asperger's don't understand social cues and do take things literally. One of my clients got in an argument with a professor and the professor told them "I'll do _______ when the cows come home." My client literally thought the professor was waiting for his cows to come home before he gave him a better grade. They also get horribly upset if routines change. People with more serious autism can't even communicate with others and some don't seem to want to, but people with Asperger's want to make friends but usually can't because they don't understand the unwritten social rules the rest of us seem to understand naturally so yeah you're either a troll or just dumb
 
2013-01-11 10:21:52 AM  
When I think Autistic, this is what I see:

www.sitcomsonline.com

Stop wasting my time, you fake, mild Austies.
 
2013-01-11 10:22:54 AM  

Happy Hours: clydedog: Borderline means not on the spectrum. So this headline should be: "slightly weird, socially awkward girl is pageant contestant". BFD.

I'm not a medical professional but I thought borderline meant right on the cusp of making a definitive diagnosis meaning at this point it's sort of a matter of opinion.
It's not like autism is a binary condition like pregnancy.
I don't know if doctors use a system of scoring to determine it, but if she's only 1% away from being autistic on the scale I'd say that's within a margin of error.


IIRC, you had to have 3 of 5 criteria to be diagnosed as autistic, but that's all changing now, with the new DSM.

You could have really bad problems in 2 categories, but not be autistic, but someone with less severe problems in 3 categories would be.

clydedog was just making a joke. I'm sure he isn't actually that ignorant.
 
2013-01-11 10:23:48 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: First story I read about her said she had "borderline Asperger's syndrome."  But Fox, of course, had to amp it up a bit.


Aspies isn't categorized separately anymore according to the new DSM, so now they just drop the word and call is good ol' Autism, which is kinda misleading.

/If it had been any other news source you say "Journalism sucks!" but if it's Fox you say "Fox sucks!"
 
2013-01-11 10:24:29 AM  
Why are people so eager these days to have something wrong with them?

What? You need a diagnosis of some disorder to feel special, or something???
 
2013-01-11 10:26:55 AM  
s14.postimage.org
 
2013-01-11 10:27:42 AM  

DammitIForgotMyLogin: She has a 37.2342276% chance of winning.


came for this. leaving happy.
 
2013-01-11 10:30:09 AM  
Trying to find an article on Fox News that doesn't have Republican talking points or isn't about pretty white ladies has become akin to Where's Waldo.
 
2013-01-11 10:30:47 AM  
Nothing a smack in the face would not cure. 99.5% of all childhood mental illness is just lack of discipline. The rest is full retard.
 
2013-01-11 10:30:52 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: First story I read about her said she had "borderline Asperger's syndrome."  But Fox, of course, had to amp it up a bit.


In May of this year "Asperger's Syndrome" will not exist as a condition.

link
 
2013-01-11 10:31:15 AM  

chrylis: The Angry Hand of God: I am growing so tired about hearing about people with autism, ADD, ADHD, Asperger's, etc. Can't people just stop making up names for these so-called "conditions," and take some responsibility? I get it, you are socially awkward. When I was a kid, that would just mean that you gotten beat up here and there, but you would just go home as the beaten up weird kid, not some completely dysfunctional, Ritalin popping mess with some poorly diagnosed trendy "disease" caused by getting too many vaccinations.

Opinions, Farkers? Occasionally worthwhile and just being an especially obnoxious troll today, or ignore-bait?


I don't get why people ignore trolls. They're half the reason I read Fark.

I have no idea about this guy's other work, he hasn't rated as particularly funny or obnoxious with me. Maybe his other stuff is less obvious. Then again, it would have to be.
 
2013-01-11 10:33:29 AM  

Thunderpipes: Nothing a smack in the face would not cure. 99.5% of all childhood mental illness is just lack of discipline. The rest is full retard.


That's brilliant jackass.
 
2013-01-11 10:35:34 AM  
i47.tinypic.com

Which one's autistic?
 
2013-01-11 10:36:02 AM  
Gretchen is more retarded.
 
2013-01-11 10:36:57 AM  
You better believe Corky did Becca every which way and sideways.
 
2013-01-11 10:37:35 AM  
I would love to date an autistic chick...let's see...I'd like to, Uhm, gee what was it, oh honey can you help me....yeah you were thinking of sucking my c....oh yeah that's it, pull those pants down
 
2013-01-11 10:38:27 AM  
I think she cute... I have a weakness for girls with blue eyes.
 
2013-01-11 10:38:40 AM  

Krieghund: chrylis: The Angry Hand of God: I am growing so tired about hearing about people with autism, ADD, ADHD, Asperger's, etc. Can't people just stop making up names for these so-called "conditions," and take some responsibility? I get it, you are socially awkward. When I was a kid, that would just mean that you gotten beat up here and there, but you would just go home as the beaten up weird kid, not some completely dysfunctional, Ritalin popping mess with some poorly diagnosed trendy "disease" caused by getting too many vaccinations.

Opinions, Farkers? Occasionally worthwhile and just being an especially obnoxious troll today, or ignore-bait?

I don't get why people ignore trolls. They're half the reason I read Fark.

I have no idea about this guy's other work, he hasn't rated as particularly funny or obnoxious with me. Maybe his other stuff is less obvious. Then again, it would have to be.


Some trolls are funny or clever. Then there are the ones with craniorectal impaction.
 
2013-01-11 10:38:46 AM  
Counts toothpicks?
 
2013-01-11 10:41:55 AM  

DarkPascual: I think she cute... I have a weakness for girls with blue eyes.


Didn't notice.
 
2013-01-11 10:43:06 AM  
She does have an odd speech impediment - does she say "elk therapist" at 0:47?
 
2013-01-11 10:44:58 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [i47.tinypic.com image 639x342]

Which one's autistic?


Everybody on the other side of that screen there.
 
2013-01-11 10:45:09 AM  
Don't worry, scrote. There are plenty of 'tards out there living really kick-ass lives. My first wife was 'tarded. She's a pilot now.
 
2013-01-11 10:45:20 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: First story I read about her said she had "borderline Asperger's syndrome."  But Fox, of course, had to amp it up a bit.


The Aspie I wouldn't worry about, but the borderline part would cause me some qualms.


/Ma'am? Excuse me? Can you help me with my computer problem?
 
2013-01-11 10:46:30 AM  
Okay, so she's like mildly introverted or slightly Aspie or something. Not straight-up Rainman levels of retardation.
 
2013-01-11 10:46:59 AM  
I'll bet she's crazy in the sack
 
2013-01-11 10:50:07 AM  
This just in :

Men generally have only a marginal interest about the internal beings that inhabit the boob-and-vagina life support systems they use for masturbation.
 
2013-01-11 10:51:06 AM  

quiotu: [www.carloscardoso.com image 314x215]

"'Contrived, manipulative, and shamelessly sentimental' raves Peter Travers from Rolling Stone."


"Clara's cousin is so hot!"
*bing*

"Yeah she's, like, retarded hot!"
*bing* *bing* *bing* *bing*

/loved that show
 
2013-01-11 10:51:16 AM  

The First Four Katy Perry Albums: Okay, so she's like mildly introverted or slightly Aspie or something. Not straight-up Rainman levels of retardation.


If you want to see that, check out the owner of the Miss USA pageant.
 
2013-01-11 10:51:34 AM  

Bladel: clydedog: I_Am_Weasel: minoridiot: BarkingUnicorn: First story I read about her said she had "borderline Asperger's syndrome."  But Fox, of course, had to amp it up a bit.

Is that like being borderline pregnant?

Only if there is a pregnancy spectrum.

Borderline means not on the spectrum. So this headline should be: "slightly weird, socially awkward girl is pageant contestant". BFD.

Pretty much this.  Altho I might tack on "trying to garner sympathy points from media & pageant judges"


Maybe if she gets a doctor's note saying she's ADHD, she gets 10-20% more time posing on the catwalk? Hey, it works for the SATs.

If you're a beauty pageant contestant and you're not trying to get over, you're not taking being a hot chick seriously.
 
2013-01-11 10:52:18 AM  
mesmer242
Pageants, and the training that goes into them, sounds pretty much like the perfect way to get someone who doesn't understand personal interactions to learn a formula for dealing with people.

doubled99: The pageant is for pretty girls. Technically, a brain dead woman could win.

You're thinking of Miss USA. Pretty is the only requirement for Trump's system. Miss America requires a "platform", aka some kind of cause, as well as a stage talent, which means most of the girls at Miss America have spent hundreds of hours involved in community service, in addition to the practice it requires to perform a talent in front of hundreds of people.


Did you type that with a straight face?
 
2013-01-11 10:53:00 AM  
I wonder how often Autism is used to diagnose normal behavior that is just deemed socially unacceptable.
 
2013-01-11 10:54:14 AM  

bim1154: Wonder if she buys her panties at Wal-Mart?


K-Mart sucks
 
2013-01-11 10:54:36 AM  

Crown_of_Shoes: Gretchen is more retarded.


You what's depressing. She is still (by default) the smartest of the co-anchors on Fox and Friends. Compared to Steve Doocy and Brian Kilmeade, Carlson is practically a Rhodes Scholar.
 
2013-01-11 10:54:39 AM  

brantgoose: Congratulations, male heterosexual and lesbian Farkers! Miss Americas are now even more unlikely to acknowledge your existence!

I bet some of you think all pretty women are autistic.


Most autistic people have some talent, so no.
 
2013-01-11 10:55:08 AM  

mytdawg: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [i47.tinypic.com image 639x342]

Which one's autistic?

Everybody on the other side of that screen there.


Now that's a funny combo of comments.
 
2013-01-11 10:55:39 AM  
entretenimento.r7.com
 
2013-01-11 10:55:43 AM  
No Madonna "Borderline" references?
 
2013-01-11 10:56:01 AM  

rubi_con_man: This just in :

Men generally have only a marginal interest about the internal beings that inhabit the boob-and-vagina life support systems they use for masturbation.


alright, I seriously LoL'd at that one. Now what do I tell all the old women I work with what I was laughing at?
 
2013-01-11 10:59:12 AM  
first? y'all slippin'

i524.photobucket.com

www.buddytv.com

i.ytimg.com

i41.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-11 10:59:19 AM  

blatz514: [entretenimento.r7.com image 850x1276]


Now her eyes are hazel.
 
2013-01-11 10:59:45 AM  
I saw here this morning on GMA. My wife and I were like, "whoah!"

We have a friend with a daughter about the same age, and she has the exact same speech impedement. This also made us a little surprised. We always knew that this particular girl has some learning issues. But no one ever took it as far as "autism".

I can only assume after seeing that report this morning that there are some REALLY light levels of autism. The only thing severe about her is her looks.
 
2013-01-11 10:59:53 AM  

OregonVet: cretinbob: Meh. Wake me up when the first Tourettes contestant is on.

"I believe in FU*KING GOTDAMN SH*T!! BASTARD!! World Peace."


Hey stop quoting me! :P

/Totally would say that
//$%$#^$%^#%$#% ASSTACOS!
 
2013-01-11 11:00:00 AM  

ModernPrimitive01: rubi_con_man: This just in :

Men generally have only a marginal interest about the internal beings that inhabit the boob-and-vagina life support systems they use for masturbation.

alright, I seriously LoL'd at that one. Now what do I tell all the old women I work with what I was laughing at?


wayne brady
 
2013-01-11 11:03:23 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [i47.tinypic.com image 639x342]

Which one's autistic?


The one on the right.

The one on the left is just a farking idiot.
 
2013-01-11 11:04:25 AM  

Boxcutta: Trying to find an article on Fox News that doesn't have Republican talking points or isn't about pretty white ladies has become akin to Where's Waldo.


Except Waldo is in the picture.
 
2013-01-11 11:04:36 AM  
i'd hit it.
 
2013-01-11 11:07:04 AM  

Deep Contact: blatz514: [entretenimento.r7.com image 850x1276]

Now her eyes are hazel.


Hey, when I hovered over that pic it said it was her.  Anyway, hot chick in a bikini trumps all anyway.
 
2013-01-11 11:07:07 AM  

Bladel: "For the longest time I just really wanted to know what was wrong with me," she said. "When I was finally diagnosed I felt like it came too late."
As a parent of a kid who required hundreds of hours of speech therapy just to be able to finish a sentence, people like this really piss me off.


Why? Because nobody else can suffer because they didn't have the same exact hardships your son did?

I have a friend who says "oh, I don't want to complain to you, you have worse problems than I do." And I always say, "and how does that invalidate your problems? You're still hurting and need to vent...."   Same thing here.
 
2013-01-11 11:07:19 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: First story I read about her said she had "borderline Asperger's syndrome." But Fox, of course, had to amp it up a bit.


Asperger's being borderline autism itself, and this girl being borderline Asperger's means this girl is probably slightly weird and/or slow. Non-issue for everyone but Fox news. Also, as others have mentioned, Asperger's isn't considered an entity anymore by the new DSM revisions.
 
2013-01-11 11:07:29 AM  

doubled99: mesmer242
Pageants, and the training that goes into them, sounds pretty much like the perfect way to get someone who doesn't understand personal interactions to learn a formula for dealing with people.

doubled99: The pageant is for pretty girls. Technically, a brain dead woman could win.

You're thinking of Miss USA. Pretty is the only requirement for Trump's system. Miss America requires a "platform", aka some kind of cause, as well as a stage talent, which means most of the girls at Miss America have spent hundreds of hours involved in community service, in addition to the practice it requires to perform a talent in front of hundreds of people.

Did you type that with a straight face?


I totally did. I saw one of the physically ugliest girls I've ever met in my entire life win a local Miss America pageant. And she won different locals almost every year due simply to her dedication to her platform (she was also a really nice person, but I know no one here cares about that). Trust me when I say that the hot, brainless ones find it much easier to switch to Miss USA and win if they're in it for the publicity. Trump, for all his myriad of faults, is much better at publicity than the Miss America Org.

For the record, I never did very well in either system, and I make no claims at ever being hot or talented. But the interview process even at a Miss America local pageant was pretty much a job interview and the judges treat it as such. You don't get to the national level without being able to fire most of your brain cells and putting in a lot of hours of community service, talent practice, and exercise.
 
2013-01-11 11:07:45 AM  

TheSlothAlive: [s14.postimage.org image 498x353]


Link
 
2013-01-11 11:08:14 AM  
She's autistic?
Not compared to the autistic folks I have come into contact with she isn't.
She seemed very normal to me.
misdiagnosed maybe?
 
2013-01-11 11:08:20 AM  
Yeah.

Everybody is going to think she is this big hero after she goes and shoots up a school.
 
2013-01-11 11:09:12 AM  

computerguyUT: I'd skip Judge Wapner at 9 to hit the hell out of that....


I would totally finish all over her tits just in time for Wapner.

\definitely in time for Wapner
 
2013-01-11 11:09:57 AM  

durbnpoisn: We have a friend with a daughter about the same age, and she has the exact same speech impedement. This also made us a little surprised. We always knew that this particular girl has some learning issues. But no one ever took it as far as "autism".

I can only assume after seeing that report this morning that there are some REALLY light levels of autism. The only thing severe about her is her looks.


The more otherwise intelligent a person is, the more the person tends to come across as either odd or just rude rather than autistic or anything else specific, since most of the mind is functioning perfectly normally, one subsystem just isn't wired up in the usual way. Others habituate to the person's acting fairly normally when going about routine tasks and don't notice large-scale patterns in unusual behavior. Young HFA/Asperger's women also appear to be much more prone to simply being quiet and lonely rather than loud and brash as young men are.
 
2013-01-11 11:10:23 AM  

pute kisses like a man: dletter: Bladel: BarkingUnicorn: First story I read about her said she had "borderline Asperger's syndrome."  But Fox, of course, had to amp it up a bit.


"For the longest time I just really wanted to know what was wrong with me," she said. "When I was finally diagnosed I felt like it came too late."
As a parent of a kid who required hundreds of hours of speech therapy just to be able to finish a sentence, people like this really piss me off.

I understand what you are saying, but, at least from what I am aware, "Autism" has become a very "vague" term now for a wide range of conditions (as they call it, the "spectrum").  I'm sure for someone who has a child with a much more dramatic form, it is hard seeing someone like her who is fairly well spoken talk about her "struggles", but, at least technically, she probably still has "it".  It is probably more that at this point maybe they need to have some more specific terms (and I'm sure they do, they just don't get talked about publicly much, everyone just says "Autism").

getting mad at people who have it less bad is like getting mad at cancer survivors because someone in your family died of cancer (or just suffered a lot more)


But pillorying every drinker is still great if one of your family died to a drunk, right?
 
2013-01-11 11:10:49 AM  
Autistic? More like asstastic, amirite?
 
2013-01-11 11:10:53 AM  
i.imgur.com

Oh, so because she's Autistic it automatically goes in the Geek tab, too? Why don't you go fark yourself modmins, this is exactly the kind of prejudice she seeks to fight against.
 
2013-01-11 11:11:00 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [i47.tinypic.com image 639x342]

Which one's autistic?


The one with the dark brown snatch.
 
2013-01-11 11:11:33 AM  

Boxcutta: Trying to find an article on Fox News that doesn't have Republican talking points or isn't about pretty white ladies has become akin to Where's Waldo.


Oh just stop. OK, yeah, we get it. Fox is Teh Ebil. Just stop.
 
2013-01-11 11:12:33 AM  
Don't get too excited. She's from Montana.
 
2013-01-11 11:13:44 AM  

bittermang: [i.imgur.com image 850x234]

Oh, so because she's Autistic it automatically goes in the Geek tab, too? Why don't you go fark yourself modmins, this is exactly the kind of prejudice she seeks to fight against.


Welcome to FARK.
 
2013-01-11 11:14:21 AM  
Is autistic the same as retarded? And is it legal to screw retards?
 
2013-01-11 11:14:44 AM  
Is she really autistic, or is she just an asshole?
 
2013-01-11 11:14:48 AM  
Quote from random internet guy: "I'd suck a fart out of her ass, and hold it like a bong hit."
 
2013-01-11 11:15:31 AM  

ackb4r: Is she really autistic, or is she just an asshole?


It's like that old game on MTV...Dead or Canadian?
 
2013-01-11 11:15:54 AM  

Krieghund: chrylis: The Angry Hand of God: I am growing so tired about hearing about people with autism, ADD, ADHD, Asperger's, etc. Can't people just stop making up names for these so-called "conditions," and take some responsibility? I get it, you are socially awkward. When I was a kid, that would just mean that you gotten beat up here and there, but you would just go home as the beaten up weird kid, not some completely dysfunctional, Ritalin popping mess with some poorly diagnosed trendy "disease" caused by getting too many vaccinations.

Opinions, Farkers? Occasionally worthwhile and just being an especially obnoxious troll today, or ignore-bait?

I don't get why people ignore trolls. They're half the reason I read Fark.

I have no idea about this guy's other work, he hasn't rated as particularly funny or obnoxious with me. Maybe his other stuff is less obvious. Then again, it would have to be.


As usual, it would have benefited from a little more irrational anger, a non-sequitur reference or two, and a misspelling. But it was fairly standard work, overall.
 
2013-01-11 11:16:10 AM  
Having listened to previous Miss America contestants talk, I have to say I doubt the validity that this is the first autistic Miss America contestant.
 
2013-01-11 11:16:12 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Boxcutta: Trying to find an article on Fox News that doesn't have Republican talking points or isn't about pretty white ladies has become akin to Where's Waldo.

Oh just stop. OK, yeah, we get it. Fox is Teh Ebil. Just stop.


t1.gstatic.com
 
2013-01-11 11:20:30 AM  

Krieghund: chrylis: The Angry Hand of God: I am growing so tired about hearing about people with autism, ADD, ADHD, Asperger's, etc. Can't people just stop making up names for these so-called "conditions," and take some responsibility? I get it, you are socially awkward. When I was a kid, that would just mean that you gotten beat up here and there, but you would just go home as the beaten up weird kid, not some completely dysfunctional, Ritalin popping mess with some poorly diagnosed trendy "disease" caused by getting too many vaccinations.

Opinions, Farkers? Occasionally worthwhile and just being an especially obnoxious troll today, or ignore-bait?

I don't get why people ignore trolls. They're half the reason I read Fark.

I have no idea about this guy's other work, he hasn't rated as particularly funny or obnoxious with me. Maybe his other stuff is less obvious. Then again, it would have to be.


I did like how he got the bit about vaccinations in there. That shows he can spread it out a little and drag some people in that might not otherwise get involved. Work in progress maybe?
 
2013-01-11 11:20:51 AM  
"For my special talent, I will now recite the origin stories for my top 54 favorite Pokemons."
 
2013-01-11 11:21:17 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [i47.tinypic.com image 639x342]

Which one's autistic?


Hotty on left: Penis goes where? Hotty on the right: Exactly.
 
2013-01-11 11:22:22 AM  

insano: Asperger's being borderline autism itself, and this girl being borderline Asperger's means this girl is probably slightly weird and/or slow. Non-issue for everyone but Fox news. Also, as others have mentioned, Asperger's isn't considered an entity anymore by the new DSM revisions.


Aspbergers was always kind of like wearing a picture of a fake Rolex on your wrist. It's good that it is no longer a thing.
 
2013-01-11 11:26:31 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: First story I read about her said she had "borderline Asperger's syndrome."  But Fox, of course, had to amp it up a bit.


Krieghund: Happy Hours: clydedog: Borderline means not on the spectrum. So this headline should be: "slightly weird, socially awkward girl is pageant contestant". BFD.

I'm not a medical professional but I thought borderline meant right on the cusp of making a definitive diagnosis meaning at this point it's sort of a matter of opinion.
It's not like autism is a binary condition like pregnancy.
I don't know if doctors use a system of scoring to determine it, but if she's only 1% away from being autistic on the scale I'd say that's within a margin of error.

IIRC, you had to have 3 of 5 criteria to be diagnosed as autistic, but that's all changing now, with the new DSM.

You could have really bad problems in 2 categories, but not be autistic, but someone with less severe problems in 3 categories would be.

clydedog was just making a joke. I'm sure he isn't actually that ignorant.


I was referring to BU's comment. the word "borderline" isn't even used in subby's article. Who knows how the definition of "borderline" was parsed in whatever article BU is mentioning? In light of which, I can take "Borderline Aspberger's Syndrome" to mean "almost having aspies", which is just being unfortunately weird, in my book. Lighten up, dudes.
 
2013-01-11 11:28:56 AM  

MagSeven: More like "aw-yeah tism"! Am I right? This guy knows what I'm talkin' about!


Laughed at that more than I should have. Well done!
 
2013-01-11 11:30:28 AM  

drew is pedal: Is autistic the same as retarded? And is it legal to screw retards?


They are not the same thing at all.

As far as the second point goes... Here is a funny story for you...

There was a class of special needs kids in my high school. Two of them were pretty severe but functional Down's Syndrome kids. One day the got caught having sex in the middle of the annex gym*.
It was empty other than them at the time. One of the teachers walked in and caught them by surprise.

*They called it an annex because it was considered to be a temporary addition to the school. It did have a gym.
 
2013-01-11 11:34:25 AM  
If you don't hear her say 'potato' it doesn't count.
 
2013-01-11 11:37:43 AM  
Yeah, Autism and Bipolar are the new A.D.D. Let's overdiagnose so we can spoon-feed pills to more kids.
 
2013-01-11 11:41:04 AM  
entretenimento.r7.com

Awkward proportions and spine alignment, no feet, all she needs is thigh pouches and she could be a Rob Liefeld creation.
 
2013-01-11 11:41:48 AM  
I'd love to escort her to K-Mart on any given Tuesday ...
 
2013-01-11 11:44:41 AM  
I'd mess with her chromosomes.
 
2013-01-11 11:46:47 AM  

sprawl15: She has joined the pageant as part of an effort by Miss America Corp. to improve the quality of the answers given during the question portion of the competition.


I could see that. I routinely invite people with autism and similar to dinner parties when I want the conversation to be more interesting.

I work with several kids and adults who are best described as 'on the spectrum,' which ranges from an adult savant who does not speak but can program like a fiend to a little girl with borderline Asperger's who is normal apart from some communication issues and sounding like a TED talk trapped in a kid's body. (One of her favorite subjects is aviation and I've seen her talk with adult pilots and tell them a few things they didn't know, simply because that hyper-detailed knowledge about a fixated subject is so strong with Aspies.) I'm also married to a guy whose official diagnosis is mild Asperger's, but who's come along so much with therapy that unless you really knew what you were looking at, you'd just assume "yep, that's an engineer all right," and my little godson is what's called an A-G, which is Autistic and Gifted.

He did have to have significant therapy as a little bitty kid, didn't speak until age four and a half and still has some serious sound and light-related triggers, but now that he's got his communication basics more or less under control and has a school and folks that understand him, he's the kind of kid who puts on his best suit and attends a Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson lecture like a miniature grad-student. We routinely give him college textbooks as rewards for good behavior or doing all his chores, he's actually succeeded in training his pet pigeon, Mrs. Tesla, to do a few magician-type tricks, and he's possibly the smartest child I've ever met, even if he does have some little quirks like needing to wear earplugs in loud grocery stores or being very attached to a few select items, like his four-color pen, flashlight and TI-83 graphing calculator. (I have literally seen him manage an overstimulation-triggered meltdown by finding a quiet corner and programming on his calculator until the shakes go away.)

More diagnosed ASD sufferers, Aspies in particular, than not are gifted, but some doctors think that it isn't because autistic people are more likely to be gifted, but because the gifted ones are more likely to seek diagnosis. An Aspie of ordinary intelligence, for example, might easily fall through the system cracks as a 'discipline problem,' but the schools are really trying to catch problems and fix 'em as best they can. The thing that I like is how a person with one of the milder flavors of what we currently call an Autism-Spectrum Disorder, once the office or the class or the teacher is used to how they work, they really do bring a lot to the table.

My little godson is barely nine and with my husband has already developed an improvement to aircraft engines that a professor friend believes can be patented, flashed the ECU in his mother's car for greater fuel efficiency and persuaded our local school board not to cut the science fair by offering an improved fundraising plan and examples of how science has affected his own life. (Public speaking is actually something he handles fairly well, because his lack of social awareness precludes stage fright.) He's got a strangeness about him, but once you're past that, he's really an asset to a team and a good kid to have in your life -even if he will persist in beating Aunt Spidey at every computer game ever.

TL;DR: I know a lot of people with autism, and I could see a company involving them for the sake of improving conversation at an event.
 
2013-01-11 11:50:51 AM  

scottydoesntknow: She looks a hell of a lot like Michelle Trachtenberg


Came here to say this.
 
2013-01-11 11:51:54 AM  
I'd hit it like the knuckles of a CalTech professor.
 
2013-01-11 11:52:35 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: First story I read about her said she had "borderline Asperger's syndrome."  But Fox, of course, had to amp it up a bit.


Asperger's no longer exists in the DRM, so technically Fox got it right. Although, you are probably correct on their real intent.
 
2013-01-11 11:56:58 AM  

Carn: Thunderpipes: Nothing a smack in the face would not cure. 99.5% of all childhood mental illness is just lack of discipline. The rest is full retard.

That's brilliant jackass.


Truth hurt?

Here is a trophy, because you deserve it, and I want you to have self-esteem.
 
2013-01-11 12:00:44 PM  

drew is pedal: Is autistic the same as retarded?


The second half of your comment aside, I'll answer your question seriously: Autism appears to be, at base, a difference in sensory wiring that can confer mild benefits on the low end (such as the ability to be aware of lots of detail without requiring much attention) but on the severe end keeps the brain from being able to integrate all the input that's coming in and make sense of it (and much of the oddly-called-out "stereotypical behavior" in autistics is an effort to reduce the amount of information coming in by organizing the external world or producing sensory patterns that the brain can then smooth out).

It's apparently completely independent of intelligence per se, and some world-class geniuses can be so affected that they don't notice sexual appeal until it's pointed out to them in their 30s (Paul Dirac) while it's very likely that a significant segment of mildly-affected individuals of somewhat below-average intelligence who just have trouble reading social cues end up in trouble with The System because they're perceived as defiant or belligerent when they simply are oblivious to how they're coming across.
 
2013-01-11 12:02:12 PM  

blatz514: [entretenimento.r7.com image 850x1276]


Aw... still cute, but disappointed about the fake blue eyes...

rubi_con_man: This just in :

Men generally have only a marginal interest about the internal beings that inhabit the boob-and-vagina life support systems they use for masturbation.


Troll or asshole?
 
2013-01-11 12:05:14 PM  
She has nice shoulders.I'd hit it and make her mom watch.
 
2013-01-11 12:10:09 PM  
I like to see her O_o face.
 
2013-01-11 12:13:23 PM  
So what does she do? Paint? Chalk? Pencils? Watercolor? Fox fails to conclude the point yet again.
 
2013-01-11 12:20:11 PM  
media-cache-ec5.pinterest.com
 
2013-01-11 12:20:16 PM  
www.krtv.com

I'd sleep with her, but people would just think I was farking retarded.
 
2013-01-11 12:21:02 PM  

cretinbob: Meh. Wake me up when the first Tourettes contestant is on.


"What do we want?"
"A cure for Tourettes!"
"When do we want it?
"Ass caulk!"
 
2013-01-11 12:22:45 PM  

SpiderQueenDemon: sprawl15: ***snip***


Is your godson's name Charles Wallace, by any chance? Also, where do you live so I can avoid drinking the water there?
 
2013-01-11 12:32:09 PM  

The Angry Hand of God: I am growing so tired about hearing about people with autism, ADD, ADHD, Asperger's, etc. Can't people just stop making up names for these so-called "conditions," and take some responsibility? I get it, you are socially awkward. When I was a kid, that would just mean that you gotten beat up here and there, but you would just go home as the beaten up weird kid, not some completely dysfunctional, Ritalin popping mess with some poorly diagnosed trendy "disease" caused by getting too many vaccinations.


Hey farkface, what responsibility? It's in their farking genes, Go tell a person with Parkinson's to stop shaking. Just because something was recently discovered. In the middle ages they called Leprosy Hansen's disease, does that mean people didn't have Leprosy because they didn't understand the disease or have a name until later on? Same with Autism, it isn't new, it's finally being understood.

/ps, the term Autism has been used for 100 years, it isn't something new
 
2013-01-11 12:32:10 PM  
What an autistic beauty pageant contestant might look like:

popcultureplaypen.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-11 12:32:24 PM  

puckrock2000: She does have an odd speech impediment - does she say "elk therapist" at 0:47?


She does, but then she's from Montana, so I don't think that was a speech impediment. She really does see an elk for therapy.
 
2013-01-11 12:33:12 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [www.krtv.com image 588x431]

I'd sleep with her, but people would just think I was farking retarded.


Slow clap.
 
2013-01-11 12:33:40 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: First story I read about her said she had "borderline Asperger's syndrome."  But Fox, of course, had to amp it up a bit.


So she's annoying, but doesn't have any mental superpowers.
 
2013-01-11 12:36:15 PM  
img267.imageshack.us

And that's why we lose international pageants
 
2013-01-11 12:37:00 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [i47.tinypic.com image 639x342]

Which one's autistic?


The one on the right is autistic.
The one on the left is farking retarded.
 
2013-01-11 12:38:41 PM  

kroonermanblack: pute kisses like a man: dletter: Bladel: BarkingUnicorn: First story I read about her said she had "borderline Asperger's syndrome."  But Fox, of course, had to amp it up a bit.


"For the longest time I just really wanted to know what was wrong with me," she said. "When I was finally diagnosed I felt like it came too late."
As a parent of a kid who required hundreds of hours of speech therapy just to be able to finish a sentence, people like this really piss me off.

I understand what you are saying, but, at least from what I am aware, "Autism" has become a very "vague" term now for a wide range of conditions (as they call it, the "spectrum").  I'm sure for someone who has a child with a much more dramatic form, it is hard seeing someone like her who is fairly well spoken talk about her "struggles", but, at least technically, she probably still has "it".  It is probably more that at this point maybe they need to have some more specific terms (and I'm sure they do, they just don't get talked about publicly much, everyone just says "Autism").

getting mad at people who have it less bad is like getting mad at cancer survivors because someone in your family died of cancer (or just suffered a lot more)

But pillorying every drinker is still great if one of your family died to a drunk, right?


that's even more of a false equivalent than i made. would have been closer if the family member died from drink.
 
2013-01-11 12:44:15 PM  
From the pictures I'm sure she autistic. She must have gotten Titinus shots when she was young.
 
2013-01-11 12:44:29 PM  

bittermang: [i.imgur.com image 850x234]

Oh, so because she's Autistic it automatically goes in the Geek tab, too? Why don't you go fark yourself modmins, this is exactly the kind of prejudice she seeks to fight against.


You sound autistic and geeky.
 
2013-01-11 12:46:43 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: [img267.imageshack.us image 500x784]

And that's why we lose international pageants


Słodki Jezu!
 
2013-01-11 12:47:32 PM  

chrylis: Bladel: "For the longest time I just really wanted to know what was wrong with me," she said. "When I was finally diagnosed I felt like it came too late."
As a parent of a kid who required hundreds of hours of speech therapy just to be able to finish a sentence, people like this really piss me off.

There's at least a little redemption in being able to tell immediately that something's odd and get the appropriate counseling, training, etc. It's a whole other kind of burden to go for decades realizing that you just can't seem to click with people without being able to understand why, especially when you later find out that skilled help was available.


Yeah, this was my life. I was diagnosed at 18 and I thought it was "too late" - knowing certainly would have helped me through public school. I understand envying people who have it "better", and I can agree that people have it worse than me, but that doesn't mean it didn't suck for me too.
 
2013-01-11 12:54:11 PM  
we've always known super hot pageant contestants were dumb, Montana just stepped up and made it a medical certainty.
 
2013-01-11 12:56:27 PM  

minoridiot: BarkingUnicorn: First story I read about her said she had "borderline Asperger's syndrome."  But Fox, of course, had to amp it up a bit.

Is that like being borderline pregnant?


Y'know, women wouldn't have Plan B if someone hadn't believed in "borderline pregnant."
 
2013-01-11 12:56:39 PM  
I'd hit it.
 
2013-01-11 12:57:50 PM  
She should totally win! She's inspirational and I feel that she would best represent America in Miss Universe.

I'd fark that MR F

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-01-11 01:03:53 PM  
More like Hot-ism! Am I right? High Five!

Unless someone already said this I mean.
 
2013-01-11 01:05:05 PM  
She is well-spoken minus a small speech impediment. I was expecting something...derpier.

/would hit
 
2013-01-11 01:10:01 PM  

SpiderQueenDemon: sprawl15:

So we could just get all of these auties and aspergers together to form a company, and pay them in skittels and batteries?

Hell, they could prolly do some awesome.

 
2013-01-11 01:12:22 PM  

litespeed74: From the pictures I'm sure she autistic. She must have gotten Titinus shots when she was young.


ohyou.jpg...ya, I loled.
 
2013-01-11 01:13:32 PM  
If pacing around a room for 45 minutes when you atre frustrated is autistic then I think I just found out what's wrong with me.
 
2013-01-11 01:15:05 PM  

The First Four Katy Perry Albums: Okay, so she's like mildly introverted or slightly Aspie or something. Not straight-up Rainman levels of retardation.


Never, ever, go full Rainman...
 
2013-01-11 01:16:40 PM  
Wait until Brent Mussberger gets wind of this.
 
2013-01-11 01:17:26 PM  

Monophtalmos: FTFA She said she struggles to communicate at times. She also said she often takes things too literally.

Looking clueless and giving stupid answers is pretty much an asset for a beauty pageant, so in fact a 'sperger might even possess an advantage.


But I bet the first guy that told her to go fark herself was in for a pleasant surprise.
 
2013-01-11 01:18:24 PM  

pute kisses like a man: dletter: Bladel: BarkingUnicorn: First story I read about her said she had "borderline Asperger's syndrome."  But Fox, of course, had to amp it up a bit.


"For the longest time I just really wanted to know what was wrong with me," she said. "When I was finally diagnosed I felt like it came too late."
As a parent of a kid who required hundreds of hours of speech therapy just to be able to finish a sentence, people like this really piss me off.

I understand what you are saying, but, at least from what I am aware, "Autism" has become a very "vague" term now for a wide range of conditions (as they call it, the "spectrum").  I'm sure for someone who has a child with a much more dramatic form, it is hard seeing someone like her who is fairly well spoken talk about her "struggles", but, at least technically, she probably still has "it".  It is probably more that at this point maybe they need to have some more specific terms (and I'm sure they do, they just don't get talked about publicly much, everyone just says "Autism").

getting mad at people who have it less bad is like getting mad at cancer survivors because someone in your family died of cancer (or just suffered a lot more)


No, that isn't what this is about.

It is about the next time someone proposes cutting special education funding, people will remember the quirky/cute pageant winner, and not the kid in the wheelchair trying to learn to read.  Or some celeb bimbo goes on Oprah and scares people about vaccines, and now we're spending tens of millions on urban legends instead of researching genetic markers or environmental factors.  All so someone can sell a few books, or this gal can get a trendy diagnosis and go from Miss Congeniality to Third Runner-Up.
 
2013-01-11 01:22:25 PM  
Having a speech impediment does not mean you are autistic, just that you prolly sucked too much dick to get this far in life.
 
2013-01-11 01:23:34 PM  
FTA:
She said she struggles to communicate at times. She also said she often takes things too literally

SO never tell her to eat pussy, right?
 
2013-01-11 01:24:31 PM  

scottydoesntknow: She looks a hell of a lot like Michelle Trachtenberg


I don't know, I think we should get them both naked and compare.
 
2013-01-11 01:26:27 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: [img267.imageshack.us image 500x784]

And that's why we lose international pageants


I forgot
 
2013-01-11 01:27:42 PM  

swangoatman: FTA:
She said she struggles to communicate at times. She also said she often takes things too literally

SO never tell her to eat pussy, right?


Her taking things too literally does not mean she's a robot and will just do whatever you tell her to. Although that's too bad, she could have been the perfect woman.
 
2013-01-11 01:28:05 PM  

SpiderQueenDemon: he's actually succeeded in training his pet pigeon, Mrs. Tesla,


Now that's a quality reference.
 
2013-01-11 01:28:13 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: [img267.imageshack.us image 500x784]

And that's why we lose international pageants


Now she looks Polish.
 
2013-01-11 01:29:34 PM  

busy chillin': The Stealth Hippopotamus: [img267.imageshack.us image 500x784]

And that's why we lose international pageants

I forgot


Actually didn't we win the last Miss Universe, or World, or whatever the fark it is?
 
2013-01-11 01:30:47 PM  

clydedog: BarkingUnicorn: First story I read about her said she had "borderline Asperger's syndrome."  But Fox, of course, had to amp it up a bit.

Krieghund: Happy Hours: clydedog: Borderline means not on the spectrum. So this headline should be: "slightly weird, socially awkward girl is pageant contestant". BFD.

I'm not a medical professional but I thought borderline meant right on the cusp of making a definitive diagnosis meaning at this point it's sort of a matter of opinion.
It's not like autism is a binary condition like pregnancy.
I don't know if doctors use a system of scoring to determine it, but if she's only 1% away from being autistic on the scale I'd say that's within a margin of error.

IIRC, you had to have 3 of 5 criteria to be diagnosed as autistic, but that's all changing now, with the new DSM.

You could have really bad problems in 2 categories, but not be autistic, but someone with less severe problems in 3 categories would be.

clydedog was just making a joke. I'm sure he isn't actually that ignorant.

I was referring to BU's comment. the word "borderline" isn't even used in subby's article. Who knows how the definition of "borderline" was parsed in whatever article BU is mentioning? In light of which, I can take "Borderline Aspberger's Syndrome" to mean "almost having aspies", which is just being unfortunately weird, in my book. Lighten up, dudes.


The other article quoted the girl saying "I was diagnosed with borderline Asperger's..."
 
2013-01-11 01:34:27 PM  

doczoidberg: Why are people so eager these days to have something wrong with them?

What? You need a diagnosis of some disorder to feel special, or something???


Is this your professional opinion, doctor? Why are people so eager to post their inane observations on Fark?

What? You need validation from other retards to feel special, or something???
 
2013-01-11 01:35:24 PM  

coeyagi: [www.chicagogluttons.com image 420x317]

oblig


That would be Asspergers Syndrome.
 
2013-01-11 01:37:20 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: And that's why we lose international pageants


Ukrainian women > Polish women

/shameless flag-waving
 
2013-01-11 01:38:45 PM  
What an autistic Miss America contestant might look like

Wait. You mean there have been some that weren't?

/pageant bunnies give humanity a bad name.
//Oh, yes. I'm impressed that an autistic girl can stand there and look pretty after 4 hours of makeup, hair, and costuming.
 
2013-01-11 01:40:43 PM  

Bladel: No, that isn't what this is about.


yeah, i know. i admitted elsewhere upthread (to someone's response to my comment) that I had made a false equivalent.

but, it's not this beauty pageant lady's fault she has any degree of autism. she probably had it rougher than most, though there are many who have it rougher than her.

too bad there's no cure for the stupidity of the whole world that sees her and says, see, she's fine, that means your kid is too
 
2013-01-11 01:40:54 PM  

doczoidberg: Why are people so eager these days to have something wrong with them?

What? You need a diagnosis of some disorder to feel special, or something???


Existential angst, mostly: terror in the thought that nothing is holding you back, that whatever mistakes you make are entirely your own. Sadly, one common (though destructive) reaction is to search desperately for some reason -anything will do, really- that this might not have been the case: some reason that you couldn't possibly have become more than you are.
 
2013-01-11 01:43:28 PM  

swangoatman: FTA:
She said she struggles to communicate at times. She also said she often takes things too literally

SO never tell her to eat pussy, right?


I don't give a shiat about cats.  I would never tell her to eat me, though.
 
2013-01-11 01:43:58 PM  
Someone remind her when she gets to Vegas that it's illegal to count cards.
 
2013-01-11 01:48:17 PM  

pute kisses like a man: Bladel: No, that isn't what this is about.

yeah, i know. i admitted elsewhere upthread (to someone's response to my comment) that I had made a false equivalent.

but, it's not this beauty pageant lady's fault she has any degree of autism. she probably had it rougher than most, though there are many who have it rougher than her.

too bad there's no cure for the stupidity of the whole world that sees her and says, see, she's fine, that means your kid is too


Probably my fault for assuming ill intentions on her part.  But damn that Jenny McCarthy still pisses me off......

(she's still hot tho.)
 
2013-01-11 01:52:17 PM  
Wait... Wait..

We should push for her to win. That would signify once and for all that America has become completely autistic itself.

We're a nation that has Honey Boo-Boo and numerous other horrible reality shows on the channel we called The Learning Channel. We obsess over Kardashians and Hiltons and Snookis. We punish regular people to the fullest extent of the law and let celebrities and politicians walk when they're caught red-handed committing a felony. A large percentage of us pay $200 a month for television and then complain about $10 of our taxes going toward health care or social programs. We fight about gun control while not caring that there are millions of mentally ill Americans walking the streets because our system won't care for them without extorting outrageous, overblown-for-insurance fees. We have a culture for teenagers that is based around the hope of getting famous by programming crap that says that if you're a marginal by-the-numbers karaoke singer you can be "discovered" and become the next flash in the pan. We allow blatant propaganda to be aired in the guise of "journalism" 24 hours a day. We demonize charity and lionize greed. Huge swaths of the country actually consider hating other people the national pastime and a point of national pride.

So why not make our most vapid ceremonial position reflect the direction our nation has gone? Hell, at this point we might as well put Honey Boo-Boo's mom up as Ms. America. She's more representative of this nation's direction than any airbrushed, glued-together manikin would ever be. Barring mama Boo-Boo, I'd say they should go ahead and give the crown to the girl with the most mental deficiencies and signs of insanity. Why not?

Hell, I bet there are people out there who think that Ms. America is part of our political system.
 
2013-01-11 01:58:33 PM  

coeyagi: oblig


Chicago's very own Hungry Hound, Steve Dolinsky FTW!
 
2013-01-11 02:08:32 PM  
I_Am_Weasel: minoridiot: BarkingUnicorn: First story I read about her said she had "borderline Asperger's syndrome." But Fox, of course, had to amp it up a bit.

Is that like being borderline pregnant?

Only if there is a pregnancy spectrum.

Borderline means not on the spectrum. So this headline should be: "slightly weird, socially awkward girl who everyone just thought was a stuck-up biatch is pageant contestant". BFD.


Isn't that all of them?

Gary Numan, of one-hit wonder "In Cars" fame from the 1980s, was supposedly diagnosed with Asperger's in like 2005 or something. Up till then, everyone just thought he was a difficult, gotta-have-it-my-way asshat. Kind of puts a new spin on his lyrics, though. Maybe there in his car, he really did feel safest of all, cuz he could lock all his doors, in cars.
 
2013-01-11 02:10:34 PM  
Hero tag. You're not doing it right.
 
2013-01-11 02:16:34 PM  

ZeroCorpse: ***snip***


Ok, this time don't sugar coat it, how do you really feel?
 
2013-01-11 02:18:10 PM  
This is why we need a completely different term for these cases.  You tell someone there kid has mild/borderline autism/aspergers (or whatever) and they drop the mild/borderline part and just run with it.
 
2013-01-11 02:18:17 PM  

pute kisses like a man: dletter: Bladel: BarkingUnicorn: First story I read about her said she had "borderline Asperger's syndrome."  But Fox, of course, had to amp it up a bit.


"For the longest time I just really wanted to know what was wrong with me," she said. "When I was finally diagnosed I felt like it came too late."
As a parent of a kid who required hundreds of hours of speech therapy just to be able to finish a sentence, people like this really piss me off.

I understand what you are saying, but, at least from what I am aware, "Autism" has become a very "vague" term now for a wide range of conditions (as they call it, the "spectrum").  I'm sure for someone who has a child with a much more dramatic form, it is hard seeing someone like her who is fairly well spoken talk about her "struggles", but, at least technically, she probably still has "it".  It is probably more that at this point maybe they need to have some more specific terms (and I'm sure they do, they just don't get talked about publicly much, everyone just says "Autism").

getting mad at people who have it less bad is like getting mad at cancer survivors because someone in your family died of cancer (or just suffered a lot more)


I have a lot of experience with an autistic kid who is mid-level functioning, also hyper and extremely defiant. Sometimes I feel some anger and envy when I see normal kids. (Of course I don't say anything and it passes). You have to work so hard with autistic kids. You can almost never do fun kid stuff, certainly can't take them to a movie or to Disney World. It's exhausting, debilitating, soul-crushing. And I'm not even one of the primary parents.

Anyway, try walking a mile in an autistic caregiver's shoes before getting all judgy on caregivers' emotional reactions. (As long as they don't start upbraiding NT kids for being normal or something).
 
2013-01-11 02:19:25 PM  

media.cmgdigital.com

"But them titties ain't retarded, amirite?!"

 
2013-01-11 02:20:33 PM  
She should try to run for Miss Caaaaaalifooooooooooooooorrrniiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
 
2013-01-11 02:27:19 PM  

bittermang: [i.imgur.com image 850x234]

Oh, so because she's Autistic it automatically goes in the Geek tab, too? Why don't you go fark yourself modmins, this is exactly the kind of prejudice she seeks to fight against.


Why so bitter, mang?
 
2013-01-11 02:28:13 PM  
Hawt chick has the disease? Oh them it must be real, not like those fakers
 
2013-01-11 02:32:30 PM  

Bladel: BarkingUnicorn: First story I read about her said she had "borderline Asperger's syndrome."  But Fox, of course, had to amp it up a bit.


"For the longest time I just really wanted to know what was wrong with me," she said. "When I was finally diagnosed I felt like it came too late."
As a parent of a kid who required hundreds of hours of speech therapy just to be able to finish a sentence, people like this really piss me off.


No shiat. I just brought my son back from his speech therapy, and I would like to kick this biatch right in the farking snatch.

You're not autistic, sweetheart, you're just an asshole.
 
2013-01-11 02:33:14 PM  

Carn: The Angry Hand of God: I am growing so tired about hearing about people with autism, ADD, ADHD, Asperger's, etc. Can't people just stop making up names for these so-called "conditions," and take some responsibility? I get it, you are socially awkward. When I was a kid, that would just mean that you gotten beat up here and there, but you would just go home as the beaten up weird kid, not some completely dysfunctional, Ritalin popping mess with some poorly diagnosed trendy "disease" caused by getting too many vaccinations.

My nephew is autistic for real, not borderline or awkward like this girl. He is making a lot of progress but still has a lot of very serious issues. So, f*ck off..


I assume you are trolling but if not ... the autistic kid I know is in 3rd grade. He still poops his pants constantly with unpleasantly unusual feces. Doesn't speak well, can't answer most questions. Screams "NO" to every request, will say other things over and over and over. Spins objects obsessively. Bangs, hits, throws when upset (which is often). Gets stuck on one thing he's obsessed with for months. His eyes are just a little too far apart to be quite normal, oversized head with a skinny little body. Emotional level is that of a toddler's. He can read and do basic math so we sort of vainly hope it can be turned around and he'll be self-sufficient, but I suspect he'll never be on his own.

You really think this is just a spoiled kid? There's no severe biological/neurological problems going on here???

You should swing by an autism treatment center sometime and just observe kids being picked up and dropped off. It's obvious pretty quickly these kids have real problems on a biological level.

\oh and BTW the kid I describe is getting medical treatment and behavioral therapy, in case anyone is worried we're not doing anything
 
2013-01-11 02:35:55 PM  

Millennium: BarkingUnicorn: First story I read about her said she had "borderline Asperger's syndrome."  But Fox, of course, had to amp it up a bit.

To be perfectly fair, that would put her on the autism spectrum, according to DSM-V. That said, this is FOX News; I'm kind of surprised to hear them accepting any definitions beyond the original DSM.


No, actually, it wouldn't. The DSM specifically says "debilitating" in it. If you can prance around the stage in your underpants and give farking media interviews, you aren't autistic.
 
2013-01-11 02:37:04 PM  
I bet she's an excellent driver.
 
2013-01-11 02:41:20 PM  

Egalitarian: Carn: The Angry Hand of God: I am growing so tired about hearing about people with autism, ADD, ADHD, Asperger's, etc. Can't people just stop making up names for these so-called "conditions," and take some responsibility? I get it, you are socially awkward. When I was a kid, that would just mean that you gotten beat up here and there, but you would just go home as the beaten up weird kid, not some completely dysfunctional, Ritalin popping mess with some poorly diagnosed trendy "disease" caused by getting too many vaccinations.

My nephew is autistic for real, not borderline or awkward like this girl. He is making a lot of progress but still has a lot of very serious issues. So, f*ck off..

I assume you are trolling but if not ... the autistic kid I know is in 3rd grade. He still poops his pants constantly with unpleasantly unusual feces. Doesn't speak well, can't answer most questions. Screams "NO" to every request, will say other things over and over and over. Spins objects obsessively. Bangs, hits, throws when upset (which is often). Gets stuck on one thing he's obsessed with for months. His eyes are just a little too far apart to be quite normal, oversized head with a skinny little body. Emotional level is that of a toddler's. He can read and do basic math so we sort of vainly hope it can be turned around and he'll be self-sufficient, but I suspect he'll never be on his own.

You really think this is just a spoiled kid? There's no severe biological/neurological problems going on here???

You should swing by an autism treatment center sometime and just observe kids being picked up and dropped off. It's obvious pretty quickly these kids have real problems on a biological level.

\oh and BTW the kid I describe is getting medical treatment and behavioral therapy, in case anyone is worried we're not doing anything


I know you're responding to the guy before me but I can tell you my nephew had a lot of those behaviors. Still has some but not near as many. He has been on the GFCF diet and went to a special school for autistic kids for a year and a half and the gains he has made have been incredible. I highly recommend passing on the info to the parents. My nephew went from non-verbal to speaking in complete sentences in a matter of weeks when my sister changed his diet. He had a lot of food allergies and poisons built up in his body. It's no the sole cause but in his case it was certainly contributing to his problems.
 
2013-01-11 02:41:50 PM  

megarian: Ukrainian women > Polish women

/shameless flag-waving


Prove it.

img23.imageshack.us

2-0 Poland
 
2013-01-11 02:42:11 PM  
Oh red hair and blue eyes. Nice!
I like them more when they are crazy, so much more fun.
 
2013-01-11 02:44:46 PM  

amindtat: Awkward proportions and spine alignment, no feet, all she needs is breast implants and thigh pouches and she could be a Rob Liefeld creation.


FIFY.

/Liefeld. Ugh.
 
2013-01-11 02:52:35 PM  

BassChild: What an autistic beauty pageant contestant might look like:

[popcultureplaypen.files.wordpress.com image 480x381]


That's just dain bramage from hitting her head against the steering wheel during sex.
 
2013-01-11 02:59:20 PM  

clydedog: I_Am_Weasel: minoridiot: BarkingUnicorn: First story I read about her said she had "borderline Asperger's syndrome."  But Fox, of course, had to amp it up a bit.

Is that like being borderline pregnant?

Only if there is a pregnancy spectrum.

Borderline means not on the spectrum. So this headline should be: "slightly weird, socially awkward girl is pageant contestant". BFD.


Came here to say this. By today's standards, I'd easily test positive for Assburgers. I never was a people person, but I spend most of my time at work and communicating little, so I've become far more socially retarded than I ever was. That is, unless I've been drinking, after which you can't shut me up.
 
2013-01-11 03:04:29 PM  
Hero tag, subby? I'm near sighted. Where the hell is my hero tag???????????????
 
2013-01-11 03:05:04 PM  

serpent_sky: Bladel: "For the longest time I just really wanted to know what was wrong with me," she said. "When I was finally diagnosed I felt like it came too late."
As a parent of a kid who required hundreds of hours of speech therapy just to be able to finish a sentence, people like this really piss me off.

Why? Because nobody else can suffer because they didn't have the same exact hardships your son did?

I have a friend who says "oh, I don't want to complain to you, you have worse problems than I do." And I always say, "and how does that invalidate your problems? You're still hurting and need to vent...."   Same thing here.


Well said and much better so than I could. Suffering isn't a race to see who isn't a game to see who has it worst.

As someone who has been a lifelong sufferer of severe ADHD I often take a similar appoach to you when I encounter those who have only mild-ADHD. Many people get bogged down in being envious of those with less hardships, not realizing the other person is still suffering. Instead of acting like they are imposters or are somehow on easy street because their struggles aren't as hard as mine, I often will listen to and advise them based on my own experiences. What I often find is that because their symptoms are much more mild they have a hard time distinguishing between what is their own fault and what is caused by the ADHD. As this girl in the pageant described, they often don't understand why they can't be normal. They are close but not quite right. They are left feeling like a bit of a stranger but no clue as to what they are doing wrong and why. They often feel like maybe if they tried harder (like their mom/dad/friend/grandparent/etc. always told them) then they would succeed or they feel maybe they are just lazy like everyone tells them. So they spend their life working their ass off to try to reach an unobtainable goal and as a result always failing and feeling like a failure (as well as feeling alone in a crowd).

As for me, like most people with severe ADHD I display some traits of being autistic/aspie as well. Things like processing peoples emotions for me are very binary. I don't get the subtlety of most emotions. So I will miss someone is pissed until they reach a certain level and then I will read it as extremely angry (when likely they are just mad). I also have a difficulty figuring out socially acceptable levels of discomfort. So I tend to be more timid in confrontation because if I am not I can come across as an unreasonable raging asshole. Not because I enjoy being an asshole but because I don't know when its acceptable to push for things and when its time to back off. I just can't read that situation well at all. So I chose to try to not be an asshole. Similarly, I have slightly off speech patters and mannerisms at times that make me a bit quirky. That being said, at least the ADHD part can be someone controlled with medication. Without medication I would likely be a high school drop out (or maybe I would but I wouldn't graduate college) and there is a good chance i would be homeless or living in a housing project; with medication, I currently have an MS in Inorganic Chemistry and am currently a nanotech chemist at a biotech firm.
 
2013-01-11 03:06:42 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: megarian: Ukrainian women > Polish women

/shameless flag-waving

Prove it.

2-0 Poland


She looks a lot like my GF.

/I double-down on Poland.
 
2013-01-11 03:08:33 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: megarian: Ukrainian women > Polish women

/shameless flag-waving

Prove it.

[img23.imageshack.us image 630x585]

2-0 Poland


i46.tinypic.com

She's a bit manly looking.
 
2013-01-11 03:09:33 PM  
Definitely hit that, definitely, definitely.... Until 4pm. Then Wapner's on.
 
2013-01-11 03:17:05 PM  
Carn

I know you're responding to the guy before me

Sorry about that! Posting too fast out of annoyance ...

but I can tell you my nephew had a lot of those behaviors. Still has some but not near as many. He has been on the GFCF diet and went to a special school for autistic kids for a year and a half and the gains he has made have been incredible. I highly recommend passing on the info to the parents. My nephew went from non-verbal to speaking in complete sentences in a matter of weeks when my sister changed his diet. He had a lot of food allergies and poisons built up in his body. It's no the sole cause but in his case it was certainly contributing to his problems. ...

Yeah the kid I describe has been taken off gluten, dairy and soy. Also has to avoid eating too much of certain other foods that give occasional sensitivities. He is also now on a multivitamin that has a lot of zinc, which apparently enhances the palate, and now he eats a large variety of food when he used to be incredibly restrictive. He was at the point where he'd only eat certain cereals, cookies, and crackers (maybe 5 total items from these 3 categories). With the zinc, we can foist a wide range of cuisines on him, as long as there are no G/D/S ingredients. The doctors also prescribed various fungal, bacterial and parasitical cleanses.

When I first met this kid, he could barely talk, he was like a cracked-out parrot repeating a few words and phrases. Two years later, after all these treatments, he's able to talk a lot more (still limited by NT comparisons). He has attained urinary continence, at least. He is more aware of animals, the sky, and other things he used to completely ignore. They just put him on a new anti-psychotic drug and he seems to be making a little headway with speech and doing homework, but I feel he's more defiant when not on the drug (his father disagrees with that assessment). He's getting help from a GI specialist now, hopefully we can address some issues there.

Incidentally I have a half-baked theory about autism and the coincidence of vaccination with autism becoming recognizable ... I think this is around the time when babies can start making demands as to what they want to eat. And these kids just want to eat cereal, the kind that doesn't have gluten. And the cereal makes it worse, and BAM suddenly the autism is really noticeable. Just my half-assed 2 cents there. Anecdotally, it seems like autistic kids have a thing for cereal.

(and no I don't think vaccine causes autism, it seems mostly genetic. the unfortunate side-effect of nerds breeding. but some foods definitely makes it worse!).
 
2013-01-11 03:22:37 PM  
She is pants on head attractive. Hope she wins.
 
2013-01-11 03:31:38 PM  

Bladel: clydedog: I_Am_Weasel: minoridiot: BarkingUnicorn: First story I read about her said she had "borderline Asperger's syndrome."  But Fox, of course, had to amp it up a bit.

Is that like being borderline pregnant?

Only if there is a pregnancy spectrum.

Borderline means not on the spectrum. So this headline should be: "slightly weird, socially awkward girl is pageant contestant". BFD.

Pretty much this.  Altho I might tack on "trying to garner sympathy points from media & pageant judges"


that about covers it. but don't cover miss montana, she's a babe.
 
2013-01-11 04:02:08 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: The Stealth Hippopotamus: megarian: Ukrainian women > Polish women

/shameless flag-waving

Prove it.

[img23.imageshack.us image 630x585]

2-0 Poland

She's a bit manly looking.


What he said.

Also, http://www.missukraineuniverse.com.ua/ (mobile device fail).
 
2013-01-11 04:05:27 PM  

Thunderpipes: Nothing a smack in the face would not cure. 99.5% of all childhood mental illness is just lack of discipline. The rest is full retard.


You know, reading you in the politics threads, I really thought you were that stupid.

Well done to keep me hooked all this time.
 
2013-01-11 04:28:51 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: First story I read about her said she had "borderline Asperger's syndrome."  But Fox, of course, had to amp it up a bit.


You mean she's a little bit socially awkward at times? Yeah, I am borderline Aspie too. So are 99% of the people I have ever met.

Overdiagnosis aside, hope she wins. She is lovely and not all plastic like most of them.
 
2013-01-11 04:49:31 PM  

SpiderQueenDemon: sprawl15: She has joined the pageant as part of an effort by Miss America Corp. to improve the quality of the answers given during the question portion of the competition.

I could see that. I routinely invite people with autism and similar to dinner parties when I want the conversation to be more interesting.

I work with several kids and adults who are best described as 'on the spectrum,' which ranges from an adult savant who does not speak but can program like a fiend to a little girl with borderline Asperger's who is normal apart from some communication issues and sounding like a TED talk trapped in a kid's body. (One of her favorite subjects is aviation and I've seen her talk with adult pilots and tell them a few things they didn't know, simply because that hyper-detailed knowledge about a fixated subject is so strong with Aspies.) I'm also married to a guy whose official diagnosis is mild Asperger's, but who's come along so much with therapy that unless you really knew what you were looking at, you'd just assume "yep, that's an engineer all right," and my little godson is what's called an A-G, which is Autistic and Gifted.

He did have to have significant therapy as a little bitty kid, didn't speak until age four and a half and still has some serious sound and light-related triggers, but now that he's got his communication basics more or less under control and has a school and folks that understand him, he's the kind of kid who puts on his best suit and attends a Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson lecture like a miniature grad-student. We routinely give him college textbooks as rewards for good behavior or doing all his chores, he's actually succeeded in training his pet pigeon, Mrs. Tesla, to do a few magician-type tricks, and he's possibly the smartest child I've ever met, even if he does have some little quirks like needing to wear earplugs in loud grocery stores or being very attached to a few select items, like his four-color pen, flashlight and TI-83 graphing calcu ...


I have a 3 year old on the spectrum and your post was a pleasure to read. I hope my little guy fairs half as well as your husband and godson.
 
2013-01-11 04:50:58 PM  
Want want want Lexie ...
Want want want Lexie ...
Want want want Lexie ...

/ surely not obscure here
 
2013-01-11 04:54:43 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [www.krtv.com image 588x431]

I'd sleep with her, but people would just think I was farking retarded.


They say she's a little retarded, but those titties ain't retarded!

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2013-01-11 04:55:43 PM  

megarian: The Stealth Hippopotamus: And that's why we lose international pageants

Ukrainian women > Polish women

/shameless flag-waving


+1 for the Ukraine

hungeree.com
 
2013-01-11 04:56:29 PM  
Wineman said now she is used to living with autism now and has "very mild symptoms." She said she struggles to communicate at times. She also said she often takes things too literally.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2013/01/10/miss-montana-alexis-wi neman-to-become-first-autistic-miss-america-contestant/#ixzz2Hhs78OZR

So in other words, she's a woman.
 
2013-01-11 05:08:39 PM  

Crewmannumber6: Wineman said now she is used to living with autism now and has "very mild symptoms." She said she struggles to communicate at times. She also said she often takes things too literally.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2013/01/10/miss-montana-alexis-wi neman-to-become-first-autistic-miss-america-contestant/#ixzz2Hhs78OZR

So in other words, she's a woman.


OK, now that one made me LOL.
 
2013-01-11 05:15:29 PM  
missworlds.files.wordpress.com

Game, set and match, Australia
 
2013-01-11 05:28:12 PM  
At least that makes sense, unlike when they put up a completely unqualified mentally disabled person just so they can pat themselves on the back for being such good people.
 
2013-01-11 05:32:31 PM  
Look at us, we're AWESOME for helping out the mentally disabled with their fake dreams

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2013-01-11 05:45:15 PM  

Egalitarian: Incidentally I have a half-baked theory about autism and the coincidence of vaccination with autism becoming recognizable ... I think this is around the time when babies can start making demands as to what they want to eat. And these kids just want to eat cereal, the kind that doesn't have gluten. And the cereal makes it worse, and BAM suddenly the autism is really noticeable. Just my half-assed 2 cents there. Anecdotally, it seems like autistic kids have a thing for cereal.

(and no I don't think vaccine causes autism, it seems mostly genetic. the unfortunate side-effect of nerds breeding. but some foods definitely makes it worse!).


Wakefield's premise regarding vaccines is centered around the digestive tract. If I recall it correctly (I may be mixing in the work of others here), the MMR vaccine or the schedule of vaccines causes damage to the immune system. An over reaction, a switch flipped. This then manifests in the digestive tract, which is of course where foreign material enters and passes through the body. The recommendation on the original paper he was basically run out of the UK because of was not against vaccinations. It was to break up the MMR shot into three. That is spread out vaccines instead of overwhelming the immune system of a small child. That's it. A very simple and sensible recommendation to take it slow when screwing around with the immune system of a child.

It has been some time since I read it. But upon reading the actual paper it is quite sensible. What we see in the media and conversation is the social persecution of an idea that goes against the established way of doing things. What's behind it all is really a very simple suggestion that makes a good deal of sense. (To go slowly and spread out the vaccinations more)
 
2013-01-11 05:56:01 PM  
She's pretty

/that's all
 
2013-01-11 05:59:56 PM  
I would take her to the zoo, in a speeding bus, down a winding path, and would not stop until she was screamin'.

/Oh, and spermed
 
2013-01-11 06:05:28 PM  
She's pretty... for a tard.
 
2013-01-11 06:09:07 PM  

DetrimentalScience: As someone who has been a lifelong sufferer of severe ADHD I often take a similar appoach to you when I encounter those who have only mild-ADHD. Many people get bogged down in being envious of those with less hardships, not realizing the other person is still suffering. Instead of acting like they are imposters or are somehow on easy street because their struggles aren't as hard as mine, I often will listen to and advise them based on my own experiences. What I often find is that because their symptoms are much more mild they have a hard time distinguishing between what is their own fault and what is caused by the ADHD. As this girl in the pageant described, they often don't understand why they can't be normal. They are close but not quite right. They are left feeling like a bit of a stranger but no clue as to what they are doing wrong and why. They often feel like maybe if they tried harder (like their mom/dad/friend/grandparent/etc. always told them) then they would succeed or they feel maybe they are just lazy like everyone tells them. So they spend their life working their ass off to try to reach an unobtainable goal and as a result always failing and feeling like a failure (as well as feeling alone in a crowd).

As for me, like most people with severe ADHD I display some traits of being autistic/aspie as well. Things like processing peoples emotions for me are very binary. I don't get the subtlety of most emotions. So I will miss someone is pissed until they reach a certain level and then I will read it as extremely angry (when likely they are just mad). I also have a difficulty figuring out socially acceptable levels of discomfort. So I tend to be more timid in confrontation because if I am not I can come across as an unreasonable raging asshole. Not because I enjoy being an asshole but because I don't know when its acceptable to push for things and when its time to back off. I just can't read that situation well at all. So I chose to try to not be an asshol ...


I was going to write my post much along these lines and I think you said it better than I could. I am too old to have a label (they just weren't used in the 1970s) but in my adulthood I've learned that I am clearly different than most people to at least a three sigma deviation but probably more. Appearing to be this so-called normal but actually not makes things difficult in its own way. People expect you to be like them, but you're not.

Sadly human society demands such strong levels of conformity to socially created constructs. If people were to do away with much of these I think logical/literal people would have a much better time of thing. What I don't understand is these social norms and constructs are usually things that cause even so-called normal people a great deal of stress of conforming to, yet they don't get abolished. Slowly they are being disposed of, but often to be replaced with something nearly as absurd.
 
2013-01-11 06:14:12 PM  
Autistic people rock!

/back and forth, mostly
 
2013-01-11 06:22:36 PM  

leadmetal: Wakefield's premise regarding vaccines is centered around the digestive tract.


Stop it. You're wrong and he's a fraud.

leadmetal: That is spread out vaccines instead of overwhelming the immune system of a small child. That's it. A very simple and sensible recommendation to take it slow when screwing around with the immune system of a child.


The "too many, too soon"" argument has no basis in science or reality. Immune systems are not overwhelmed by the mere presentation of antigens.

There is no evidence that vaccines have anything to do with autism. They shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence.
 
2013-01-11 06:31:35 PM  

ParaHandy: +1 for the Ukraine


Glad to see someone wanted to play:

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3-1 poland
 
2013-01-11 06:54:48 PM  

Serious Post on Serious Thread: I would take her to the zoo, in a speeding bus, down a winding path, and would not stop until she was screamin'.

/Oh, and spermed


Dead Milkmen FTW
 
2013-01-11 06:58:18 PM  

leadmetal: Wakefield's premise regarding vaccines...


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2013-01-11 07:29:58 PM  

Occam's Disposable Razor: leadmetal: Wakefield's premise regarding vaccines is centered around the digestive tract.

Stop it. You're wrong and he's a fraud.

I see you never read the farking paper. So why don't you shut the fark up about things you're too farking lazy to look into? No of course not, like most so-called 'normal' people you 'feel' instead of think. You apply ridicule and verbal abuse to socially correct people who stray outside the boundaries of so-called acceptable thought. Don't bother you with things like the actual paper.

leadmetal: That is spread out vaccines instead of overwhelming the immune system of a small child. That's it. A very simple and sensible recommendation to take it slow when screwing around with the immune system of a child.

The "too many, too soon"" argument has no basis in science or reality. Immune systems are not overwhelmed by the mere presentation of antigens.

There is no evidence that vaccines have anything to do with autism. They shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence.


You are standing on assertion. Nobody farking knows what vaccines really do. They are designed to expose the immune system and jack up the response to create an immunity. But nobody really knows what the consequences of doing this is. When problems occur a belief system kicks in that says 'it can't be the vaccine, vaccines are life savers'. It's a social response, not a scientific, logical or rational one. If you knew anything about the real science it would be obvious to you how little is actually known about the mechanisms.

Furthermore, testing is done on -adults- not children with developing immune systems. The order and timing of vaccination has -never- been tested to see if there are problems with interactions or anything else with some of the population. It's just all assumed to work together like some 16 year old throwing aftermarket parts on a honda civic in a one-size fits all fashion.

From an engineering perspective, vaccination is really done in a ignorant slip-shod manner.
 
2013-01-11 07:42:16 PM  
I shouldn't have let myself get dragged in, but anyway...

leadmetal: I see you never read the farking paper. So why don't you shut the fark up about things you're too farking lazy to look into? No of course not, like most so-called 'normal' people you 'feel' instead of think.


Data above all. Feeling is for our ancestors, we do better than that. Feeling is what compels people with no medical, statistical, or biology training to associate a scary needle with doing harm. Feeling is what compels a concerned parent to blame a temporally related event to a deterioration in their child's condition without evidence. I have read the paper. The journal that published his initial work has apologized and retracted it. Wakefield is a discredited, disgraced fraud.

leadmetal: You are standing on assertion. Nobody farking knows what vaccines really do.


leadmetal: If you knew anything about the real science it would be obvious to you how little is actually known about the mechanisms.


These two together indicate that I've likely been hooked by a troll. Plenty of people "know what vaccines really do." The second sentence was particularly amusing, as I'm actually a doctor, and the guys in the immunology and infectious disease departments would go absolutely apeshiat over that comment.

I'm not looking for a fight or trying to argue from authority. You have fixed beliefs I won't be changing, and that's ok. For everyone else, here's a decent link explaining why "too many, too soon" is a silly argument. There's science and data behind the vaccine schedule. To say it's never been tested is one of the most bald faced lies I've read on here. But you can believe some dude on a message board (myself included), or you can believe people who make a career out of studying these things.
 
2013-01-11 07:45:42 PM  
Also, I'd like to state that vaccines are NOT completely safe. However, the benefits far outweigh the risks by a wider margin than damn near anything else in medicine.

/mods should delete these vaccine posts because they are absolutely 100% off topic in a thread about autism
 
2013-01-11 07:58:06 PM  

jaytkay: leadmetal: Wakefield's premise regarding vaccines...

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Another social response. This is what is so batshiat about so-called 'normal' people. Everything is about social appearances. It's why the world is so farked up. How masses of people are manipulated by a small group of sociopaths.

The paper that so many people get up in arms about is nothing exciting. All that it recommended was using the older method of vaccination. The UK's government run health care system couldn't allow that to happen and a witch hunt occurred. Not science. Then people like yourself volunteer to be social enforcers.

I don't know if Wakefield is correct or not, but others are moving towards diet based treatments (which is what Wakefield did) based on trial and observation without making a guess as to the underlying need for it. Anyway what I find most interesting is the social response of people who can't handle their belief system being the least biatchallenged. How they have to lash out with ridicule and worse. It's simply bizarre. I can see it with people whom have their careers based in the status-quo, but many if not most social enforcers don't even a horse in the race. It's like regular people who vote republican and democrat. They act as if they are going to get part of the winnings, part of the wealth that the winning team of the election gets to guide to their friends. They'll get as much as when their 'team' wins the superbowl. Nothing.

What's even more odd is how so-called normal people cling to beliefs that are based on nothing more than what a grade school teacher told them. It's as if they would be embarrassed for believing a lie told to them by an adult when they were a child.

How does the effectiveness of vaccination personally effect you so much that you feel the need to ridicule anyone that even suggests it as a possibility? Have the need to shut down discussion? It's just a discussion yet people lash out at the slightest mention of something contrary to their belief system.

To me this subject of vaccines is largely about control systems, a course I took in engineering school. Except these are chemical based control systems. I understand overdamped and underdamped response well enough to see the chemical parallel. It's just understanding how a machine operates. Regardless of anyone in particular is correct or not has no bearing on my life. It's just a puzzle to figure out what does what and the understanding of all parties involved is rather limited. So, if I were to use ridicule it would be wrt the closed mindedness put on display.
 
2013-01-11 08:09:18 PM  

leadmetal: Furthermore, testing is done on -adults- not children with developing immune systems. The order and timing of vaccination has -never- been tested to see if there are problems with interactions or anything else with some of the population. It's just all assumed to work together like some 16 year old throwing aftermarket parts on a honda civic in a one-size fits all fashion.


Wrong. I was in a vaccine test program as a child. Not only did I experience no ill effects apart from one minor injection-site rash that my Mom cleared up with Neosporin, but I'm also not anywhere near the autism-spectrum.

I work with people who are, though, and if you ever want to piss off a roomful of smart people, start spouting that Jenny McCarthy 'vaccines are cause teh autisms! oh noes!!1!' bullshiat in a room full of advanced-degreed Aspies. They will scorn you so hard that your grandparents will feel embarrassed and not know why.
 
2013-01-11 08:16:34 PM  
Autistic chicks are cool. Autistic guys need their ass kicked.
 
2013-01-11 08:17:34 PM  

leadmetal:
How does the effectiveness of vaccination personally effect you so much that you feel the need to ridicule anyone that even suggests it as a possibility? Have the need to shut down discussion? It's just a discussion yet people lash out at the slightest mention of something contrary to their belief system.


I have a good friend with an immunological problem and a known anti-vaxer's kid gave her whooping cough (easily-prevented pertussis,) and she spent almost a week in the hospital, nearly died, etc. I also have a cousin who is blind and mentally challenged because her pregnant mom was a schoolteacher before the German measles vaccine was legally required to attend public schools. That, and my godson, who is definitely autistic, wasn't vaccinated until he was nearly six and already well-established as an aut-tot.

So I have some resentment toward the anti-vaccine arguments. I shouldn't have typed so harshly, though, and can respect your willingness to question the medical status quo.

leadmetal: To me this subject of vaccines is largely about control systems, a course I took in engineering school. Except these are chemical based control systems. I understand overdamped and underdamped response well enough to see the chemical parallel. It's just understanding how a machine operates. Regardless of anyone in particular is correct or not has no bearing on my life. It's just a puzzle to figure out what does what and the understanding of all parties involved is rather limited. So, if I were to use ridicule it would be wrt the closed mindedness put on display.


What are your thoughts on the proposed theory that it may be safer to vaccinate children under a certain age with identically-blood-typed parents by vaccinating the parent and then doing a small blood transfusion while the antibodies were still active? Some doctors have suggested that white blood cells from the parent may be as or even more effective than traditional vaccines (partly why breastfeeding = healthier kids,) and others feel that it's a needless tertiary infection risk for short-term effects that may not last as well as a normal vaccine.
 
2013-01-11 08:22:43 PM  

leadmetal: Anyway what I find most interesting is the social response of people who can't handle their belief system being the least biatchallenged. How they have to lash out with ridicule and worse.


Heh...

leadmetal: What's even more odd is how so-called normal people cling to beliefs that are based on nothing more than what a grade school teacher an aging blonde woman known for showing her implants told them. It's as if they would be embarrassed for believing a lie told to them by an adult when they were a child also an adult.


This can't be real.
 
2013-01-11 08:41:43 PM  

Occam's Disposable Razor: I shouldn't have let myself get dragged in, but anyway...

leadmetal: I see you never read the farking paper. So why don't you shut the fark up about things you're too farking lazy to look into? No of course not, like most so-called 'normal' people you 'feel' instead of think.

Data above all. Feeling is for our ancestors, we do better than that. Feeling is what compels people with no medical, statistical, or biology training to associate a scary needle with doing harm. Feeling is what compels a concerned parent to blame a temporally related event to a deterioration in their child's condition without evidence. I have read the paper. The journal that published his initial work has apologized and retracted it. Wakefield is a discredited, disgraced fraud.

Such things as retraction and disgrace are social in nature, not scientific.
Wakefield was hunted like a witch because he said something that wasn't socially acceptable. Science has never been the issue at hand. And even if he were wrong, why was he attacked so harshly when others who have caused deaths based upon error, but error that is within the socially acceptable bounds, are not?

It's all about feeling and social processes. Science is not even in the question once the status-quo belief system was questioned. Ridicule about scary needles is just that, ridicule of anyone who so much as has an open mind that the status-quo isn't correct. Real science doesn't do that. But that's what this process is and you are participating in it yourself, doctor.


leadmetal: You are standing on assertion. Nobody farking knows what vaccines really do.

leadmetal: If you knew anything about the real science it would be obvious to you how little is actually known about the mechanisms.

These two together indicate that I've likely been hooked by a troll. Plenty of people "know what vaccines really do." The second sentence was particularly amusing, as I'm actually a doctor, and the guys in the immunology and infectious disease departments would go absolutely apeshiat over that comment.

I'm not looking for a fight or trying to argue from authority. You have fixed beliefs I won't be changing, and that's ok. For everyone else, here's a decent link explaining why "too many, too soon" is a silly argument. There's science and data behind the vaccine schedule. To say it's never been tested is one of the most bald faced lies I've read on here. But you can believe some dude on a message board (myself included), or you can believe people who make a career out of studying these things.

It sounds as if you are arguing by authority, and if you are being truthful then you know as well as I do that isn't particularly well understood. Then again doctors are often arrogant enough to think they understand something when they really don't. The way the medical profession does things is proof enough of that. The way vaccines are determined to be 'safe and effective' by the companies that make them and then approved by government is laughable. Cell phones undergo more serious testing.

Medical studies are generally crap across the board for those who know how to read through the special wording and definitions. Engineering work like most medical studies would be considered crap. Planes would fall from the sky if built on 'data' the way the medical profession works. Anyway, show me the studies that were done to determine that there are no problems with the childhood vaccine schedule. Just give me a link, I'll read it. I have an idea of what it looks like, I am sure that there is no proof of it being a six-sigma process or even close.

Doctors are largely good at school. That is they are well institutionalized people who know how to stay within appropriate bounds. People have to be to get through that much school. If a doctor strays the other doctors use licensing and government mechanisms to purge him. It's a social and political order, not a scientific one. Then again most "science" is social and political as well. Very little real science is done. Even in engineering in the corporate world much is done socially. I've had testing I wanted to do denied because someone was emotionally attached to the status-quo and didn't want me asking the question.

What I keep seeing is people who don't want to seriously address any questions. People who don't want to do failure analysis. This is the way we do things. The end. don't question. Teacher said so. Authority said so. Don't look behind the curtain, keep that little dog under control.

Occam's Disposable Razor: Also, I'd like to state that vaccines are NOT completely safe. However, the benefits far outweigh the risks by a wider margin than damn near anything else in medicine.


If other factors working in parallel are neglected. But anyway, let me know when that argument stops gun control.


/mods should delete these vaccine posts because they are absolutely 100% off topic in a thread about autism


Exactly what I set out to point out. That it's about keeping people in that narrow track of this artificially defined 'normal'. This demand for conformity to the socially acceptable status-quo. How dare people be *gasp* different, and have different thoughts. Perhaps there should be moderators on the human population. Like what many governments do to those who don't believe as they should. Just disappear them. Thankfully the primary tool in the modern western world is ridicule, it's a lot less fatal, but the way things are going there is no telling how long that will last before it returns to the traditional human way of dealing with people who can't keep their thoughts within appropriate bounds.
 
2013-01-11 08:45:20 PM  

leadmetal: Occam's Disposable Razor: I shouldn't have let myself get dragged in, but anyway...

leadmetal: I see you never read the farking paper. So why don't you shut the fark up about things you're too farking lazy to look into? No of course not, like most so-called 'normal' people you 'feel' instead of think.

Data above all. Feeling is for our ancestors, we do better than that. Feeling is what compels people with no medical, statistical, or biology training to associate a scary needle with doing harm. Feeling is what compels a concerned parent to blame a temporally related event to a deterioration in their child's condition without evidence. I have read the paper. The journal that published his initial work has apologized and retracted it. Wakefield is a discredited, disgraced fraud.

Such things as retraction and disgrace are social in nature, not scientific.
Wakefield was hunted like a witch because he said something that wasn't socially acceptable. Science has never been the issue at hand. And even if he were wrong, why was he attacked so harshly when others who have caused deaths based upon error, but error that is within the socially acceptable bounds, are not?

It's all about feeling and social processes. Science is not even in the question once the status-quo belief system was questioned. Ridicule about scary needles is just that, ridicule of anyone who so much as has an open mind that the status-quo isn't correct. Real science doesn't do that. But that's what this process is and you are participating in it yourself, doctor.


leadmetal: You are standing on assertion. Nobody farking knows what vaccines really do.

leadmetal: If you knew anything about the real science it would be obvious to you how little is actually known about the mechanisms.

These two together indicate that I've likely been hooked by a troll. Plenty of people "know what vaccines really do." The second sentence was particularly amusing, as I'm actually a doctor, and the guys in the immunology an ...


Still using ridicule eh, doctor?
How about slamming me with papers? With data? Nahh... too difficult. Too risky. Social ridicule is better. You're certainly confirming my opinion of medical doctors in general though.
 
2013-01-11 08:46:49 PM  
Crap hit the wrong buttons... corrected:


Occam's Disposable Razor: leadmetal: Anyway what I find most interesting is the social response of people who can't handle their belief system being the least biatchallenged. How they have to lash out with ridicule and worse.

Heh...

leadmetal: What's even more odd is how so-called normal people cling to beliefs that are based on nothing more than what a grade school teacher an aging blonde woman known for showing her implants told them. It's as if they would be embarrassed for believing a lie told to them by an adult when they were a child also an adult.

This can't be real.



Still using ridicule eh, doctor?
How about slamming me with papers? With data? Nahh... too difficult. Too risky. Social ridicule is better. You're certainly confirming my opinion of medical doctors in general though.
 
2013-01-11 09:05:54 PM  

leadmetal: Anyway, show me the studies that were done to determine that there are no problems with the childhood vaccine schedule. Just give me a link, I'll read it. I have an idea of what it looks like, I am sure that there is no proof of it being a six-sigma process or even close.


Link

To be fair I simply googled "studies that were done to determine that there are no problems with the childhood vaccine schedule" and the first result was a 16 page pdf of study after study, the first page ending with this gem:

"One study published in 2010 was conducted in response to concerns about the total number of vaccines children receive. In this study (the last one listed in this document), researchers found infants who followed the recommended vaccine schedule performed better on 42 different neuropsychological outcomes years later than children who delayed or skipped vaccinations. This should reassure parents that vaccinating their children on schedule is safe and is the best way to protect them from disease."

We don't get six sigma in medicine. We get a p value less than .05 or .01 if we're lucky. The n required to get that kind of power would be far too expensive and likely unbelievably unethical.

I argue because you are doing harm. These ideas are harmful. I don't make money on vaccines, and most drug companies make a pittance if they're not losing money on them. There is no ulterior motive here, there's simply nothing to be gained but a healthier population. You get a great deal of push back on this issue not because we're all authoritarian sheep and you're the enlightened wise man, but because we don't get many astoundingly cheap, incredibly effective wins in medicine. People fight you because they're old enough to remember polio. Vaccines are a wonder - it would be like arguing against antibiotics. I understand that old Edward Jenner of smallpox fame was lucky and stumbled blindly into the idea of vaccination. I agree that rational design and targeting biochemical processes we have an understanding of is the better approach, but medicine is not engineering, we're simply not there yet. However, characterizing the entire profession of physicians as brainwashed but adroit test takers who submit to some monolithic governing body is just a touch unhinged.
 
2013-01-11 09:06:34 PM  
"In her contestant video, Wineman says she hopes to use the Miss America platform to spread awareness about autism."

Why do beauty contestants always try to spread awareness of something that majority of the world's population already know about? We are already aware of HIV, AIDS, CANCER, and all sorts of nasty bad stuff that destroy the health of people. Why not join the contest simply to win? Or if they can't accept the fact that they just want to be "the most beautiful American lady this year", why not pick another subject that people actually don't really know much about, but has significant importance?
 
2013-01-11 09:08:58 PM  

SpiderQueenDemon: leadmetal:
How does the effectiveness of vaccination personally effect you so much that you feel the need to ridicule anyone that even suggests it as a possibility? Have the need to shut down discussion? It's just a discussion yet people lash out at the slightest mention of something contrary to their belief system.

I have a good friend with an immunological problem and a known anti-vaxer's kid gave her whooping cough (easily-prevented pertussis,) and she spent almost a week in the hospital, nearly died, etc. I also have a cousin who is blind and mentally challenged because her pregnant mom was a schoolteacher before the German measles vaccine was legally required to attend public schools. That, and my godson, who is definitely autistic, wasn't vaccinated until he was nearly six and already well-established as an aut-tot.

So I have some resentment toward the anti-vaccine arguments. I shouldn't have typed so harshly, though, and can respect your willingness to question the medical status quo.


What I don't like about vaccination is the violence that sits behind it. That 'democracy' or the people who run it, get to decide for everyone in a one-size-fits-all fashion or else. I also don't trust any industrial product (modern medicine consists of industrial products) where the liability is on the government. Now the pro vaccination folks will say no vaccine would be made if the government didn't take the liability, which right there tells me that the problems are well known enough and larger than other medical products.

Anyway, If a private school (and I don't think government should be running schools) required vaccination, so be it, people who don't want to can find another school. But as to coming in contact with people that may have a disease there's not much that can be done about that. Even vaccinated people can end up infected. People also travel. I am not sure how being infected by another person would play out property rights wise. There may be a case for negligence on the kid or kid's parents for letting the kid out, but that's as far as I can go there. I still don't see it as justification for forcing everyone to be vaccinated.


leadmetal: To me this subject of vaccines is largely about control systems, a course I took in engineering school. Except these are chemical based control systems. I understand overdamped and underdamped response well enough to see the chemical parallel. It's just understanding how a machine operates. Regardless of anyone in particular is correct or not has no bearing on my life. It's just a puzzle to figure out what does what and the understanding of all parties involved is rather limited. So, if I were to use ridicule it would be wrt the closed mindedness put on display.

What are your thoughts on the proposed theory that it may be safer to vaccinate children under a certain age with identically-blood-typed parents by vaccinating the parent and then doing a small blood transfusion while the antibodies were still active? Some doctors have suggested that white blood cells from the parent may be as or even more effective than traditional vaccines (partly why breastfeeding = h ...


It sounds like it could work, but I don't know. It could be safer, it could also be more dangerous. Perhaps if there were some sound process to remove unwanted elements.
 
2013-01-11 09:09:39 PM  

leadmetal: How about slamming me with papers? With data? Nahh... too difficult. Too risky. Social ridicule is better. You're certainly confirming my opinion of medical doctors in general though.


You now have 43 studies on one link if you followed it. Something easily googled with your own words. You don't want answers. You want to look down your nose at people who achieve more than you.

/sorry for the thread shiatting, anyone who read down this far
 
2013-01-11 09:48:29 PM  

Wolfling: [missworlds.files.wordpress.com image 648x1021]

Game, set and match, Australia


I'd put my shrimp in that Barbie.
 
2013-01-11 10:25:44 PM  
has "very mild symptoms." She said she struggles to communicate at times. She also said she often takes things too literally.

F*cking really?

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2013-01-11 11:00:57 PM  
Mild autism huh? Well, she's certainly going after the "feel pity for me me" vote. I really doubt that she is autistic. I have full faith that the nose job on the left is full retard though.

BTW, subby, being a victim does not make anyone a hero.
 
2013-01-11 11:27:31 PM  
She said she struggles to communicate at times.

So she's in good company then?
 
2013-01-11 11:31:00 PM  

ModernPrimitive01: Carn: The Angry Hand of God: I am growing so tired about hearing about people with autism, ADD, ADHD, Asperger's, etc. Can't people just stop making up names for these so-called "conditions," and take some responsibility? I get it, you are socially awkward. When I was a kid, that would just mean that you gotten beat up here and there, but you would just go home as the beaten up weird kid, not some completely dysfunctional, Ritalin popping mess with some poorly diagnosed trendy "disease" caused by getting too many vaccinations.

My nephew is autistic for real, not borderline or awkward like this girl. He is making a lot of progress but still has a lot of very serious issues. So, f*ck off..

I would like to second that f*ck off. I've counseled college students on the autism spectrum and it's a lot more than being awkward. People with Asperger's don't understand social cues and do take things literally. One of my clients got in an argument with a professor and the professor told them "I'll do _______ when the cows come home." My client literally thought the professor was waiting for his cows to come home before he gave him a better grade. They also get horribly upset if routines change. People with more serious autism can't even communicate with others and some don't seem to want to, but people with Asperger's want to make friends but usually can't because they don't understand the unwritten social rules the rest of us seem to understand naturally so yeah you're either a troll or just dumb


Third.

I worked with someone with Asperger's at a job that involved a ridiculous amount of one on one communication.  Knowledge as well - which he had in spades - but being able to communicate that to people was something he just couldn't naturally do.  He had the passion for what we were working on, but was just about to be fired before one person sat down with him and actually mapped out the most common conversations, how to answer the most common questions, when people said ____ you had to realize they might actually mean ____, etc.  Our boss gave him a pass because he actually worked on this chart of his for hours, more than likely an entire weekend straight... but it worked, once he could fit most people and conversations into flowcharts.

/of all the people she gave "one last chance" to, holy crap did he step up
 
2013-01-11 11:55:32 PM  

TheSlothAlive: [s14.postimage.org image 498x353]


Is Leia sucking on Darth's finger there?
/Giggity
 
2013-01-12 12:31:23 AM  
Anti vaccine nuts are like pro gun nuts. Wrong.
 
2013-01-12 12:39:02 AM  

BolshyGreatYarblocks: brantgoose: Congratulations, male heterosexual and lesbian Farkers! Miss Americas are now even more unlikely to acknowledge your existence!

I bet some of you think all pretty women are autistic.

Most autistic people have some talent, so no.


Autism usually does not work that way. My son has autism (the real thing, properly diagnosed. etc.) I have met many people on the autism spectrum. Not one of them had savant syndrome.

Rain Man confused a lot of people about what autism is. I've lost count of the number of people who have asked me "what's his ability" when I mention that my son has autism. He has autism, not super powers.
 
2013-01-12 12:52:30 AM  

IAMTHEINTARWEBS: She's autistic?
Not compared to the autistic folks I have come into contact with she isn't.
She seemed very normal to me.
misdiagnosed maybe?


Aspergers presents itself as an incredibly mild thing.

She, like most people with Aspergers, will be falling off the end of the spectrum come DSM-V.

Also,bear in mind she probably rehearsed this...
 
2013-01-12 01:09:49 AM  

sendbillmoney: He has autism, not super powers.


Yeah, but as one dad to another, I'll tell you I've been known to joke about my autistic kid having super powers. It's nice to play for a minute like there will be some extra payoff from all the therapy and work my kid does.

That's what most of the haters on this thread don't get. My kid works his ass off to be close to a 'normal' kid. Being autistic isn't some green light for extra coddling. It means the kid has to work harder and learn to deal with more stuff than the average kid.
 
2013-01-12 04:55:19 AM  
If you're capable of participating in a contest that's like 90% about your ability to communicate (albeit not necessarily verbally), then you've been misdiagnosed, miss. Your awkward phase was probably a result of "being a kid" disorder, and not an actual disease.
 
2013-01-12 06:17:29 AM  
So for the talent portion she communicates with someone else?
 
2013-01-12 11:30:30 AM  
^What someone who wants to stick his penis in Miss Montana looks like.
 
2013-01-12 12:19:10 PM  
Autistic people obsess over a certain area.

Autistic people have problems communicating or taking things too literally.

Why don't autistic people ever obsess over English, or puns?
 
2013-01-12 01:23:21 PM  
just wanted to see if I could find the bottom of the thread...
 
2013-01-12 04:07:19 PM  
She's cute. I hope she wins. That pageant is a sham anyway.
 
2013-01-13 04:43:56 AM  

Krieghund: sendbillmoney: He has autism, not super powers.

Yeah, but as one dad to another, I'll tell you I've been known to joke about my autistic kid having super powers. It's nice to play for a minute like there will be some extra payoff from all the therapy and work my kid does.

That's what most of the haters on this thread don't get. My kid works his ass off to be close to a 'normal' kid. Being autistic isn't some green light for extra coddling. It means the kid has to work harder and learn to deal with more stuff than the average kid.


Don't worry; that hard work does pay off when they get older. I went through therapy for fine motor control and speech therapy; I've got the auditory processing difficulties as well, which goes over really well the foreign nationals I work with. "I swear I'm not making fun of your thick accent! I just need to hear that sentence a fifth time!".

What I have carried with me since then is a great work ethic, a decent personality, and a case of beer for the event where the first two don't pan out.
 
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