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(Forbes)   Writer throws Boeing under the (air)bus after a week of Dreamliner nightmares   (forbes.com) divider line 15
    More: Obvious, Dreamliner, Boeing, electrical fire, management consults, nightmares, airplanes, global sourcing, VoIP  
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2013-01-11 11:03:37 AM  
I don't know why people are so down on outsourcing, I outsourced my heart valves and I'm just
 
2013-01-11 11:10:08 AM  
Maybe now, hiring and PAYING the wages of SKILLED American workers won't seem like such a pain in the ass inconvenience anymore.
 
2013-01-11 11:23:41 AM  
Once I got up to the "management consultants" part, I figured out why the plane has problems.
 
2013-01-11 11:59:00 AM  
Still better than Scarebus, or something.
 
2013-01-11 12:36:58 PM  
They bought their tickets. They knew what they were doing. I say let them crash.
 
2013-01-11 01:00:49 PM  
I'm on a Dreamliner flight next week to Tokyo. If something happens, I want my login to be Drew's official sockpuppet.
 
2013-01-11 01:46:42 PM  
"Oh, and they decided to build the airplane out of plastic "

www.memegeneokerlund.com

It is NOT farking plastic, you dumbass "journalist"!  And god forbid you bother to look up the litany of problems that other planes have had upon first launch.
 
2013-01-11 02:14:27 PM  
Forbes, can you wrap your content in even bigger headers and footers, and up the point size some? I'd prefer to see even less than a full paragraph at a time. Thanks.
 
2013-01-11 05:42:30 PM  

astro716: I'm on a Dreamliner flight next week to Tokyo. If something happens, I want my login to be Drew's official sockpuppet.


I just want to say: good luck. We're all counting on you.
 
2013-01-11 05:58:52 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: "Oh, and they decided to build the airplane out of plastic "

[www.memegeneokerlund.com image 600x400]

It is NOT farking plastic, you dumbass "journalist"!  And god forbid you bother to look up the litany of problems that other planes have had upon first launch.


This... sort of.  From the list of problems, it sounds like the composite materials are the least problematic part of the plane.  I'm not sure about the fuel system, but I'm pretty sure the brakes, wiring, and windshields  don't use revolutionary new materials.
 
2013-01-11 07:56:57 PM  
The wing cracking issue that hit the first a380s was far more likely to end up in a crash then any of the Dreamliner issues, not that they are a good thing
 
2013-01-12 12:34:31 AM  

dbirchall: Grand_Moff_Joseph: "Oh, and they decided to build the airplane out of plastic "

[www.memegeneokerlund.com image 600x400]

It is NOT farking plastic, you dumbass "journalist"!  And god forbid you bother to look up the litany of problems that other planes have had upon first launch.

This... sort of.  From the list of problems, it sounds like the composite materials are the least problematic part of the plane.  I'm not sure about the fuel system, but I'm pretty sure the brakes, wiring, and windshields  don't use revolutionary new materials.


You're mostly right as well.  On basic levels, the brakes, wiring, etc. aren't deviating from established designs or protocols by that much.  The differences arise in the additional complexities that may have been added to those basic levels, and the overall process of meshing it all together into a final product.
 
2013-01-12 02:47:38 AM  
This is more than just simple outsourcing to save money or obtain required expertise, This is political.

If you give another country a little slice of the pie, their national carrier may be more inclined to use your planes. In a related field, it's becoming almost routine for large countries soliciting competitive arms contracts for military systems to require, as part of the bid, that a certain percentage of the assembly and/or maintenance will be done in their country. If you don't agree to this, don't bother to bid. Doesn't matter if your system is clearly superior. It's like an official bribe that doesn't technically fall under our anti- kickback laws.

Airbus was ready to set up an entire production plant here in the US to help them get the USAF air refueling contract. They lost that but may still set up a plant for an other commercial model.

Pure politics.
 
2013-01-12 06:05:50 AM  

Krumet: In a related field, it's becoming almost routine for large countries soliciting competitive arms contracts for military systems to require, as part of the bid, that a certain percentage of the assembly and/or maintenance will be done in their country. If you don't agree to this, don't bother to bid. Doesn't matter if your system is clearly superior. It's like an official bribe that doesn't technically fall under our anti- kickback laws.


...and oh, yes, you can take it for granted that they  will be using this arrangement to grow their own domestic capacity to produce their own weapons.  Of course, they'd have done the same thing if they just bought those weapons from you pre-assembled, but if they do it that way, they have to take them apart, put them back together, etc.  If they actually get to practice assembling part of them, they can create a workforce skilled in assembling weapons.

That's the great thing about globalization.  The endgame is that everywhere eventually has the capacity to do everything.  The big arms exporters are already dead - they just don't know it yet.
 
2013-01-14 09:37:53 PM  

dforkus: The wing cracking issue that hit the first a380s was far more likely to end up in a crash then any of the Dreamliner issues, not that they are a good thing


This was farking bad, too^.
 
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