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2013-01-11 09:23:03 AM
School pride is kind of strange, but I understand it. It's a method of self-promotion. You chose to go to that school, so playing up the quality of the school is tantamount to praising yourself and your own experience and credentials.

Now, the phenomenon that I really find puzzling are people who are avid fans of a college's athletic teams who didn't even go to that school.
 
2013-01-11 09:32:00 AM

Doc Daneeka: Now, the phenomenon that I really find puzzling are people who are avid fans of a college's athletic teams who didn't even go to that school.


It's no different than cheering for a professional sports team that's not in the city where you live.  I'd hardly say it's a phenomenon.
 
2013-01-11 09:33:54 AM
Satire tag is misleading.
 
2013-01-11 09:35:26 AM
Only $50,000?
 
hej
2013-01-11 09:35:28 AM
Just $50k?
 
2013-01-11 09:36:09 AM
As unprepared as a college degree leaves you, try doing it without one.
 
hej
2013-01-11 09:36:17 AM

Arkanaut: Only $50,000?


*shakes tiny fist*
 
2013-01-11 09:39:08 AM
College is worth it. (Thanks mom and dad.)

/graduated in '93
//altogether different
 
2013-01-11 09:40:08 AM
We say Joe Pa, you say...
 
2013-01-11 09:41:13 AM

kwame: Doc Daneeka: Now, the phenomenon that I really find puzzling are people who are avid fans of a college's athletic teams who didn't even go to that school.

It's no different than cheering for a professional sports team that's not in the city where you live.  I'd hardly say it's a phenomenon.


It's different. People move from city to city but still retain pride in their home city, where they grew up or where there parents grew up.

UNC (for example, one i am familiar with but can be replaced with any successful college sports team) fans that have never set foot in Chapel Hill? Doesn't make sense. You like their sports teams but weren't smart enough to go there? So they're too good for you but you still hand over your cash for apparel to glom onto something successful.

It would be like driving through Louisiana once and pretending to be the worlds biggest Saints fan. Just kinda dumb.
 
2013-01-11 09:43:31 AM
"I'm wearing an Auburn shirt because I went to Auburn. You're wearing a Bama shirt because you went to Wal-Mart."

Sounds like the Wal-Mart-shopping Bama fan got the better deal!
 
2013-01-11 09:44:15 AM

Frankenstorm: //altogether different


different
 
2013-01-11 09:48:57 AM

Frankenstorm: College was worth it. (Thanks mom and dad.)

/graduated in '93
//altogether different


Feels sad for the current crop of students and recent grads. I'm just waiting for the "University Bubble" to burst.

/Looks angrily at the University of Phoenix and similar organizations.
 
2013-01-11 09:54:04 AM

mjohnson71: Frankenstorm: College was worth it. (Thanks mom and dad.)

/graduated in '93
//altogether different

Feels sad for the current crop of students and recent grads. I'm just waiting for the "University Bubble" to burst.

/Looks angrily at the University of Phoenix and similar organizations.


This.
 
2013-01-11 09:56:18 AM
Satire tag is not needed.

However, what is needed is the stupid tag, for people who take these nebulous courses that give them non-specific degrees like "communications" or "english". What the f*ck does someone do with an "English" degree? Unless you're using it to get a law degree, but wait that doesn't matter anymore because the US sh*ts out law degrees like my dogs shiat out last night's table scraps.

What a mess of a country.
 
2013-01-11 09:56:22 AM
Well, if he was dumb enough to get a liberal arts major, he's probably not smart enough to realize that it's his own damn fault.
 
2013-01-11 10:02:01 AM

js34603: UNC (for example, one i am familiar with but can be replaced with any successful college sports team) fans that have never set foot in Chapel Hill? Doesn't make sense.


Maybe they like college basketball better than pro ball?  Maybe in watching college ball, they like watching a successful team?  Who knows?  Do you have any idea how many Steelers fans there are out there who have never been on the East side of the US, much less Pittsburgh?
 
2013-01-11 10:03:57 AM

mjohnson71: Frankenstorm: College was worth it. (Thanks mom and dad.)

/graduated in '93
//altogether different

Feels sad for the current crop of students and recent grads. I'm just waiting for the "University Bubble" to burst.

/Looks angrily at the University of Phoenix and similar organizations.


Actually, the beginning may already be here- U. Phoenix is being put on notice by its accreditor. Losing accreditation is a death sentence since students can't use federal loans to go to an unaccredited school.

My personal opinion is that the large, for profit online colleges are doomed anyway. You have groups like Cousera and Udacity offering MOOCs and partnering with local, in-person testing centers to verify that students are taking the tests under controlled conditions. Given the rock bottom costs involved there (Udacity charges less than $100 a course for the in-person option) I don't see how Phoenix and the like survive long term- all they have is the credentialing piece right now, and it won't be long before a group springs up that offers that using only MOOCs.
 
2013-01-11 10:12:32 AM

sure haven't: What the f*ck does someone do with an "English" degree?


Reporting
Copyediting
Content Editing
Technical Writing
Documentation
Teaching

...are some of the low rent options.

I ended up managing a multimillion-dollar surgery practice because I can write and speak well. Doctors are notoriously bad at this. Could I have done this without an English degree? Sure. Does my degree serve my current position? Sure- the degree helped me develop a number of existing skills and interests that I utilize every day; they just aren't as obvious as "my degree taught me how to calculate a thermal gradient across a length of stressed material to assess long-term reliability".

Could I do what I do without my degree? Probably. But my employer wouldn't have even considered me without it.
 
2013-01-11 10:15:57 AM
What the almighty fark does one DO with a degree in Communications? Enlighten me, please.
 
2013-01-11 10:17:48 AM

sure haven't: However, what is needed is the stupid tag, for people who take these nebulous courses that give them non-specific degrees like "communications" or "english". What the f*ck does someone do with an "English" degree?


A friend of mine got an English degree.

Now she's a professor of American literature at a midwestern college.
 
2013-01-11 10:20:11 AM

grinding_journalist: sure haven't: What the f*ck does someone do with an "English" degree?

Reporting
Copyediting
Content Editing
Technical Writing
Documentation
Teaching

...are some of the low rent options.

I ended up managing a multimillion-dollar surgery practice because I can write and speak well. Doctors are notoriously bad at this. Could I have done this without an English degree? Sure. Does my degree serve my current position? Sure- the degree helped me develop a number of existing skills and interests that I utilize every day; they just aren't as obvious as "my degree taught me how to calculate a thermal gradient across a length of stressed material to assess long-term reliability".

Could I do what I do without my degree? Probably. But my employer wouldn't have even considered me without it.



Reporting
Copyediting
Content Editing
Technical Writing
Documentation

"Mommy how much does Daddy make?"
"Daddy makes less than minimum wage, dear, now hush, your gruel is getting cold"
 
2013-01-11 10:23:08 AM

Doc Daneeka: sure haven't: However, what is needed is the stupid tag, for people who take these nebulous courses that give them non-specific degrees like "communications" or "english". What the f*ck does someone do with an "English" degree?

A friend of mine got an English degree.

Now she's a professor of American literature at a midwestern college.


That's cool, are there 15,000 other positions there for the other English degree receivers?
 
2013-01-11 10:24:19 AM

Crewmannumber6: As unprepared as a college degree leaves you, try doing it without one.


Sure, I'll try getting through life without carrying around a mountain of debt.
 
2013-01-11 10:24:51 AM

sure haven't: However, what is needed is the stupid tag, for people who take these nebulous courses that give them non-specific degrees like "communications" or "english". What the f*ck does someone do with an "English" degree? Unless you're using it to get a law degree, but wait that doesn't matter anymore because the US sh*ts out law degrees like my dogs shiat out last night's table scraps.


Well, our associate VP in IT has not just a degree in English, but a Ph.D. in 17th century English literature. Admittedly I work at a college, but it is possible to get actual jobs even when you're edumacated.
 
2013-01-11 10:26:14 AM
If you're not going to become a lawyer, doctor or engineer, you really don't need to burden yourself with a lifetime of debt.
 
2013-01-11 10:27:05 AM

Glockenspiel Hero: Actually, the beginning may already be here- U. Phoenix is being put on notice by its accreditor. Losing accreditation is a death sentence since students can't use federal loans to go to an unaccredited school.


Eh, no one ever loses their accreditation. I know a school that didn't even after they fired all their biology teachers for believing in evolution. University of Phoenix makes way too much money to ever have to worry about losing accreditation.
 
2013-01-11 10:32:04 AM

js34603: kwame: Doc Daneeka: Now, the phenomenon that I really find puzzling are people who are avid fans of a college's athletic teams who didn't even go to that school.

It's no different than cheering for a professional sports team that's not in the city where you live.  I'd hardly say it's a phenomenon.

It's different. People move from city to city but still retain pride in their home city, where they grew up or where there parents grew up.

UNC (for example, one i am familiar with but can be replaced with any successful college sports team) fans that have never set foot in Chapel Hill? Doesn't make sense. You like their sports teams but weren't smart enough to go there? So they're too good for you but you still hand over your cash for apparel to glom onto something successful.


Don't get me started on people with Irish heritage who have never been to South Bend yet root like hell for Notre Dame.
 
2013-01-11 10:34:10 AM

sure haven't: Doc Daneeka: sure haven't: However, what is needed is the stupid tag, for people who take these nebulous courses that give them non-specific degrees like "communications" or "english". What the f*ck does someone do with an "English" degree?

A friend of mine got an English degree.

Now she's a professor of American literature at a midwestern college.

That's cool, are there 15,000 other positions there for the other English degree receivers?


I don't know. You asked what someone can do with an English degree. I gave you an answer.

But I think part of your problem is that you are conceiving of undergraduate education too much like vocational training. In some cases, your undergraduate degree needs to have a direct connection to your future career path (eg. pre-med) - but in many cases, you have a lot of flexibility. You can be a Communications major and then get an MBA. You can be a Philosophy major and then go to Law School. Etc.

Another problem is that as a society, we don't really have a consensus on what college is for. Is it for job training and preparation for the job market? Is it to create a generally educated, informed, and cultured public? Is it nowadays simply a continuation of general education that most people are expected to have (i.e. an extension of high school)?
 
2013-01-11 10:38:47 AM

Hollie Maea: Glockenspiel Hero: Actually, the beginning may already be here- U. Phoenix is being put on notice by its accreditor. Losing accreditation is a death sentence since students can't use federal loans to go to an unaccredited school.

Eh, no one ever loses their accreditation. I know a school that didn't even after they fired all their biology teachers for believing in evolution. University of Phoenix makes way too much money to ever have to worry about losing accreditation.


Actually, schools do lose accreditation from time to time. It's not easy to do, but it happens. It tends to be more financially driven than teaching though- and yes, the fact that Liberty has accreditation is a disgrace.

I wouldn't be so sure that many of the for-profits are as secure as you think. It's becoming obvious that many of them are scams. Some of the better ones might survive (Phoenix and American Public, for example) but expect a serious shakeout when you can get better quality courses from Coursera for $100.
 
2013-01-11 10:46:15 AM
As a Miami alumni I'm getting a kick out of this (really, I am).
 
2013-01-11 10:53:01 AM

sure haven't: "Mommy how much does Daddy make?"
"Daddy makes less than minimum wage, dear, now hush, your gruel is getting cold"


Pretty much. Thank god my wife has a useful degree that's in demand.

/does not like this job
 
2013-01-11 10:55:07 AM

sure haven't: Satire tag is not needed.

However, what is needed is the stupid tag, for people who take these nebulous courses that give them non-specific degrees like "communications" or "english". What the f*ck does someone do with an "English" degree? Unless you're using it to get a law degree, but wait that doesn't matter anymore because the US sh*ts out law degrees like my dogs shiat out last night's table scraps.

What a mess of a country.



I have an English degree. I'm a reporter.

It's worked out for me so far, but if I were to look for a job in another field, I would have an impossible time getting anything.

And I've never understood school pride. I don't feel anything at all for my college. I gave them money, and they gave me a piece of paper that helped me find a job later. It could have been any other college, and the result would have been the same. I only picked the college I went to because it was close to home so I wouldn't have to live in a dorm with a bunch of a-holes.
 
2013-01-11 11:05:39 AM
$50k? wow, that will almost cover tuition at carnegie mellon. for a year. and, well, i guess "almost" is a stretch.
 
2013-01-11 11:13:44 AM

sure haven't: That's cool, are there 15,000 other positions there for the other English degree receivers?


I don't know.  Let's check around and see if there are any jobs that use English on a regular basis.
 
2013-01-11 11:23:55 AM

kwame: Do you have any idea how many Steelers fans there are out there who have never been on the East side of the US, much less Pittsburgh?


Pseudo-Yinzers.
It's a bonified mental health issue.
they shouldn't be allowed access to guns.
 
2013-01-11 11:29:33 AM
sure haven't:
Reporting
Copyediting
Content Editing
Technical Writing
Documentation

"Mommy how much does Daddy make?"
"Daddy makes less than minimum wage, dear, now hush, your gruel is getting cold"


Well now that comment was dumber than a bag of hammers.

I love how half of Farkers (including the engineers and IT types) can barely write a paragraph coherently, but are quick to bash on anyone with a degree in something that doesn't immediately suggest "engineering or IT job" to them.
 
2013-01-11 11:32:56 AM

vudukungfu: kwame: Do you have any idea how many Steelers fans there are out there who have never been on the East side of the US, much less Pittsburgh?

Pseudo-Yinzers.
It's a bonified mental health issue.
they shouldn't be allowed access to guns.


Who do you root for if you don't live in a area w/o a NFL team? I guess you pick one of the teams that the networks show most. Networks show the Steelers. I guess that is better than the Cowboys.
 
2013-01-11 11:33:52 AM
What I always like is the water cooler talk after a game.

Man, did you watch the game and see how WE just killed them in the 4th quarter!

WE need to dump that worthless point guard and get some real talent on OUR team.

Dude, I believe you don't care about how OUR team is doing. Why don't you like US.

/Yeah, I like watching sports. I'm just not under some delusion because I choose to hang out and drink beer with friends that I am part of the local team. Its just entertainment. I no more understand becoming emotionally invested in sports than I do getting attached to the twilight series.
 
2013-01-11 11:41:57 AM

sure haven't: "Mommy how much does Daddy make?"
"Daddy makes less than minimum wage, dear, now hush, your gruel is getting cold"


I got an English degree. I'm a copywriter and account manager at an advertising agency. I do okay, and more importantly, I like going to work every day.
 
2013-01-11 11:49:22 AM
It's not whether or not you go to college, it's WHAT you go to college for.

/Elizabethan Poetry major
//i keed
 
2013-01-11 11:51:37 AM
I didn't realize DeVry was that expensive....
 
2013-01-11 12:07:53 PM
I'm graduating this spring with a Bachelor's after two years, including a 22 credit semester where I commuted to class, from my state's second-best university and it's still going to cost my family, who have been gracious enough to pay for it, around $50,000.

College is a scam.
 
2013-01-11 12:21:56 PM

No Such Agency: I love how half of Farkers (including the engineers and IT types) can barely write a paragraph coherently, but are quick to bash on anyone with a degree in something that doesn't immediately suggest "engineering or IT job" to them.


Welcome to Fark. Who needs to write English correctly when you can write in three programming languages?

There are three types of degrees that are useful, and/or can make money:

1) Business or Management
2) Marketing
3) Engineering

And nobody like business or marketing types. Farking suits and ass lickers.

nces.ed.gov

Look at all those useless Bachelor degrees! Look at them!
Culinary services? Psycology? History? Visual farking arts? These are Starbucks degrees.
 
2013-01-11 12:22:48 PM

Crewmannumber6: It's not whether or not you go to college, it's WHAT you go to college for.

/Elizabethan Poetry major
//i keed


yah like biochemistry bs or biostatistics phd , only to live in a world where noone really wants to listen to a scientist or engineer anyway. basically the only degree worth a darn now is 'basrista studies' with a minor in 'coffee history'.
 
2013-01-11 12:34:19 PM

No Such Agency: sure haven't:
Reporting
Copyediting
Content Editing
Technical Writing
Documentation

"Mommy how much does Daddy make?"
"Daddy makes less than minimum wage, dear, now hush, your gruel is getting cold"

Well now that comment was dumber than a bag of hammers.

I love how half of Farkers (including the engineers and IT types) can barely write a paragraph coherently, but are quick to bash on anyone with a degree in something that doesn't immediately suggest "engineering or IT job" to them.


I'm an "IT type", yet I can write multiple coherent paragraphs, use the apostrophe correctly, and know the difference between "your" and "you're" and "their", "they're" and "there".

So there :-)

/liberal arts degree
//didn't pay $50k for it though
 
2013-01-11 12:38:18 PM

utah dude: Crewmannumber6: It's not whether or not you go to college, it's WHAT you go to college for.

/Elizabethan Poetry major
//i keed

yah like biochemistry bs or biostatistics phd , only to live in a world where noone really wants to listen to a scientist or engineer anyway. basically the only degree worth a darn now is 'basrista studies' with a minor in 'coffee history'.


That's pretty much every degree.

As for scientists and engineers, by and large, they are seen as useful tools. Not much else.

Following high school graduation in 1972, Jobs enrolled at Reed College in Portland, Oregon. Reed was an expensive college which Paul and Clara could ill afford. They were spending much of their life savings on their son's higher education.[40] Jobs dropped out of college after six months and spent the next 18 months dropping in on creative classes, including a course on calligraphy.[41] He continued auditing classes at Reed while sleeping on the floor in friends' dorm rooms, returning Coke bottles for food money, and getting weekly free meals at the local Hare Krishna temple.[42] Jobs later said, "If I had never dropped in on that single calligraphy course in college, the Mac would have never had multiple typefaces or proportionally spaced fonts."[42]

If not for Steve Job's caligraphy class, and the small army of no-name engineering cogs that he hired, the Mac never would have been such a great success.

Who wins? Guys like Steve Jobs and Thomas Edison. Who works? Guys Dennis Ritchie and Nikola Tesla. Who serves them coffee? Everybody else.
 
2013-01-11 12:41:47 PM

Doc Daneeka: sure haven't: Doc Daneeka: sure haven't: However, what is needed is the stupid tag, for people who take these nebulous courses that give them non-specific degrees like "communications" or "english". What the f*ck does someone do with an "English" degree?

A friend of mine got an English degree.

Now she's a professor of American literature at a midwestern college.

That's cool, are there 15,000 other positions there for the other English degree receivers?

I don't know. You asked what someone can do with an English degree. I gave you an answer.

But I think part of your problem is that you are conceiving of undergraduate education too much like vocational training. In some cases, your undergraduate degree needs to have a direct connection to your future career path (eg. pre-med) - but in many cases, you have a lot of flexibility. You can be a Communications major and then get an MBA. You can be a Philosophy major and then go to Law School. Etc.

Another problem is that as a society, we don't really have a consensus on what college is for. Is it for job training and preparation for the job market? Is it to create a generally educated, informed, and cultured public? Is it nowadays simply a continuation of general education that most people are expected to have (i.e. an extension of high school)?


The peril associated with your second reason is that young people coming out of high school can unwittingly ruin their life by taking on soul-crushing non-dischargeable debt in the name of "enlightenment". The cost of a college degree has outpaced inflation for the past 30 years, making a college education more expensive than ever in real terms and not just inflation unadjusted dollars. Add to that student loan debt is nearly impossible to discharge.

Want to be enlightened? This isn't the 1800s. We live in the digital age where the world is at your fingertips. In an instant, you can pull up a wealth of information on any subject you are interested in.
 
2013-01-11 12:46:40 PM

Doc Daneeka: But I think part of your problem is that you are conceiving of undergraduate education too much like vocational training. In some cases, your undergraduate degree needs to have a direct connection to your future career path (eg. pre-med) - but in many cases, you have a lot of flexibility. You can be a Communications major and then get an MBA. You can be a Philosophy major and then go to Law School. Etc.

Another problem is that as a society, we don't really have a consensus on what college is for. Is it for job training and preparation for the job market? Is it to create a generally educated, informed, and cultured public? Is it nowadays simply a continuation of general education that most people are expected to have (i.e. an extension of high school)?


True, I do sort of combine degree with vocational training, I just think that's the only way to use it. An MBA is generally something that your work pays for or requests of you to advance, it's not really something you go right into after you graduate. And as for law, well I covered my thoughts on it earlier, but with every institute in every ma and pa city in the country handing them out, it does not bode well.

I personally think unless you're going for one of the standards; medicine, engineering, law, sciences, etc, then it's a gigantic waste of time.
 
2013-01-11 01:07:07 PM
Pumpernickel bread:
The peril associated with your second reason is that young people coming out of high school can unwittingly ruin their life by taking on soul-crushing non-dischargeable debt in the name of "enlightenment". The cost of a college degree has outpaced inflation for the past 30 years, making a college education more expensive than ever in real terms and not just inflation unadjusted dollars. Add to that student loan debt is nearly impossible to discharge.

Want to be enlightened? This isn't the 1800s. We live in the digital age where the world is at your fingertips. In an instant, you can pull up a wealth of information on any subject you are interested in.


That might be how it IS... but it's not how it should be. A populace with exposure to information but not education or critical thinking is what gives us things like the anti-vaccine movement, homeopathy, "chemtrails", Obama-birtherism, etc.
 
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