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2013-01-11 07:30:29 AM  
And the cycle of getting excited/enthusiastic or otherwise hopeful only to have your hopes and dreams crushed like a Red Right 88 enema without lube continues....

I've had a theory for the last 20 years or so that I actually died sometime in the past and I was reborn as a Cleveland sports fan as a way to atone for my sins.
 
2013-01-11 07:35:05 AM  
As a Hurricane I approve this hire
 
2013-01-11 07:49:13 AM  
A very Brownian hire. Back to the basement, doggies!
 
2013-01-11 07:53:17 AM  

Fizpez: And the cycle of getting excited/enthusiastic or otherwise hopeful only to have your hopes and dreams crushed like a Red Right 88 enema without lube continues....

I've had a theory for the last 20 years or so that I actually died sometime in the past and I was reborn as a Cleveland sports fan as a way to atone for my sins.


Not this time. Matt Barkley is just sitting there and ready to be drafted as the QB of the future. This time it will work....this time.

I do wonder if they will have 19 dollar/game season tickets again this year (No PSL either) with option to buy playoff tickets (yes, that last part never happens)
 
2013-01-11 07:54:52 AM  
As long as he doesn't monkey too much with the D and continues to let it grow, I'm ok with the hire. Hell, the rumor about bringing in Norv to be OC is also ok. It would be a vast improvement if we were mediocre.
 
2013-01-11 08:19:17 AM  
And how many people are going to  get the reference to that movie.  How old is it anyway?
 
2013-01-11 08:26:13 AM  
There's a Browns trifecta in play? QUICK someone submit more RGIII, Jets & Tebow articles, Stat!
 
2013-01-11 08:42:09 AM  

labman: And how many people are going to  get the reference to that movie.  How old is it anyway?


I laughed
 
2013-01-11 08:47:36 AM  
Chud is a very schizo OC. The first half of the season, he completely forgot he had three $1 million+ running backs on his roster, and spent way too much time try to get Cam to throw from the pocket. Yes, he needs to evolve in that aspect of his game, but you have to have a good running game to do that. By the second half of the season the offense was finally clicking and they got into the easier portion of their schedule.

Hopefully there's a better coordinator on the way. And Jerry The Lesser at least managed to hire a decent GM out of the Giants' front office.
 
2013-01-11 08:53:02 AM  
I'm very interested in how the Browns - and Bengals to an extent - deal with the salary floor being instituted. The Bengals at least have some players worth re-signing - Maulaluga for instance.


But the Browns... They're either going to have to actually be big players in free-agency or just wind up with a big bill when the floor is tallied and wind up overpaying their current players they KNOW aren't worth it.
 
2013-01-11 09:14:08 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Chud is a very schizo OC. The first half of the season, he completely forgot he had three $1 million+ running backs on his roster, and spent way too much time try to get Cam to throw from the pocket. Yes, he needs to evolve in that aspect of his game, but you have to have a good running game to do that. By the second half of the season the offense was finally clicking and they got into the easier portion of their schedule.

Hopefully there's a better coordinator on the way. And Jerry The Lesser at least managed to hire a decent GM out of the Giants' front office.


I feel like the first half of the season, Chud was trying to be cute and tricky to land a HC job.
 
2013-01-11 09:28:37 AM  
Former coach Jimmy Johnson sent out a tweet early this morning, with one bit of known news, and one surprise.
"Looks like 2 of my guys getting NFL jobs..Chud Cleveland and my QB coach at U Trestman to Chicago"


Who the fark is Trestman?
 
2013-01-11 09:32:56 AM  

Deneb81: I'm very interested in how the Browns - and Bengals to an extent - deal with the salary floor being instituted. The Bengals at least have some players worth re-signing - Maulaluga for instance.


But the Browns... They're either going to have to actually be big players in free-agency or just wind up with a big bill when the floor is tallied and wind up overpaying their current players they KNOW aren't worth it.


The vast majority of the team is 27 years old or under - which means most of them are still under their rookie contracts. They have a pretty good nucleus of young talent. One of Heckert's mantras was that he wasnt going to sign free agents just to sign free agents. They have plenty of guys who will be worth a new contract when their rookie contract is up so they will probably not ever go crazy in free agency as they will need to resign a lot of those guys to higher contracts in a year or two.

Having said that they will probably have to try and sign the best #1 reciever available in free agency just to get some idea if Weeden is worth keeping after year 2 or if he becomes a write-off and they have to draft a new QB in 2014.
 
2013-01-11 09:37:37 AM  

abhorrent1: Former coach Jimmy Johnson sent out a tweet early this morning, with one bit of known news, and one surprise.
"Looks like 2 of my guys getting NFL jobs..Chud Cleveland and my QB coach at U Trestman to Chicago"

Who the fark is Trestman?


Marc Trestman, currently head coach of the Montreal Alouettes. Hell of a coach, lots of experience as an NFL QB coach and O coordinator too. Probably the best compliment I can give him is that as a Rider fan I'm happy! For him and me!
 
2013-01-11 09:38:11 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: A very Brownian hire.


this
 
2013-01-11 09:38:33 AM  

Deneb81: I'm very interested in how the Browns - and Bengals to an extent - deal with the salary floor being instituted. The Bengals at least have some players worth re-signing - Maulaluga for instance.


But the Browns... They're either going to have to actually be big players in free-agency or just wind up with a big bill when the floor is tallied and wind up overpaying their current players they KNOW aren't worth it.


The Bengals will sign Mike Brown as the backup punter for a yearly salary of whatever is left to get to the salary cap floor.
 
2013-01-11 09:46:08 AM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: Marc Trestman, currently head coach of the Montreal Alouettes.


I find it slightly disturbing that I knew that, too. NOOOOOOO I'M GETTING INTO CANADIAN FOOTBALL
 
2013-01-11 09:51:23 AM  

IAmRight: Representative of the unwashed masses: Marc Trestman, currently head coach of the Montreal Alouettes.

I find it slightly disturbing that I knew that, too. NOOOOOOO I'M GETTING INTO CANADIAN FOOTBALL


yes yes you are... join us, we are affordable and fun.
 
2013-01-11 09:59:04 AM  
ksobby As long as he doesn't monkey too much with the D and continues to let it grow

Are you kidding? This is Cleveland we're talking about. Now that we have a pretty good nucleus for a 4-3 defense, OF COURSE we have to go back to the 3-4.

Peter Schrager of FoxSports.com writes on his Twitter account: Here's what I know on CLE situation-- Chud is HC, Norv is coming with him, Norv's son Scott Turner is too...D will move to a 3-4 scheme.
 
2013-01-11 10:29:30 AM  

Fizpez: And the cycle of getting excited/enthusiastic or otherwise hopeful only to have your hopes and dreams crushed like a Red Right 88 enema without lube continues....

I've had a theory for the last 20 years or so that I actually died sometime in the past and I was reborn as a Cleveland sports fan as a way to atone for my sins.


Please tell me you did not actually expect to land any college coach who perennially contends for the national championship?
 
2013-01-11 10:35:16 AM  
All you need to know about this hire is Panthers fans are glad he's gone.
 
2013-01-11 10:39:24 AM  

The Slush: Fizpez: And the cycle of getting excited/enthusiastic or otherwise hopeful only to have your hopes and dreams crushed like a Red Right 88 enema without lube continues....

I've had a theory for the last 20 years or so that I actually died sometime in the past and I was reborn as a Cleveland sports fan as a way to atone for my sins.

Please tell me you did not actually expect to land any college coach who perennially contends for the national championship?


Expect to? No, hope to? yes. Pretty much ever "GREAT" team right now was downright shiatty, bottom of the barrel and unwatchable within the past 20 years so dont give me that BS about "No one would ever want to go coach there..."

There's a big difference between thinking EVERY college superstar coach wants to come to your team and believing that there's at least one big name who will. Having a brand new billionaire owner kind of suggested that, perhaps, it was "our" time to get to fark the prom queen.

Instead we're back to hoping that Chud becomes the next guy to make the metamorphosis from coordinator to successful head coach - when reality has shown (league wide) that you fail about 9 outta 10 times with this line.
 
2013-01-11 11:06:19 AM  

labman: And how many people are going to  get the reference to that movie.  How old is it anyway?


At least 3? I loled.
 
2013-01-11 11:09:01 AM  

labman: And how many people are going to get the reference to that movie. How old is it anyway?


Horror is timeless, like the Cleveland Browns.
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-11 11:52:05 AM  

Chudzinski on off. style: I'd like to be balanced. Means run it when u need to run it to win and throw it when u need to throw it to win.

- Cleveland Browns (@OfficialBrowns)

Brimming with confidence, I am!
 
2013-01-11 11:57:54 AM  

ksobby: As long as he doesn't monkey too much with the D and continues to let it grow, I'm ok with the hire. Hell, the rumor about bringing in Norv to be OC is also ok. It would be a vast improvement if we were mediocre.


He was the OC during the new Browns' best season, though I doubt even he thought DA would be that good in his system.

...and of course, now the rumors will start to fly that the Browns want DA back...
 
2013-01-11 11:58:02 AM  
I like the hire. A few years ago, he almost landed the HC job in Baltimore until he decided to re-sign as Cleveland's OC. If Norv (NORV!) comes in as OC like they're reporting, we should at least have a watchable offense this season.
 
2013-01-11 12:05:12 PM  

CavalierEternal: I like the hire. A few years ago, he almost landed the HC job in Baltimore until he decided to re-sign as Cleveland's OC. If Norv (NORV!) comes in as OC like they're reporting, we should at least have a watchable offense this season.


I've gotten really high before, but I have never been Cleveland Browns Fan high.
 
2013-01-11 01:16:31 PM  
Thank God they didn't take Zimmer. He needs to stay where he is.
 
2013-01-11 01:21:34 PM  

roc6783: CavalierEternal: I like the hire. A few years ago, he almost landed the HC job in Baltimore until he decided to re-sign as Cleveland's OC. If Norv (NORV!) comes in as OC like they're reporting, we should at least have a watchable offense this season.

I've gotten really high before, but I have never been Cleveland Browns Fan high.


I love that...Browns fans are crazy if they think they can ever be adequate.
 
2013-01-11 01:23:49 PM  

ksobby: As long as he doesn't monkey too much with the D and continues to let it grow, I'm ok with the hire. Hell, the rumor about bringing in Norv to be OC is also ok. It would be a vast improvement if we were mediocre.


Considering this guy spent a few years in Norv's system that might be a decent fit. Is it normal for a head coach to end up as an assistant to their own former assistant though? I'm sure it happens, just can't remember it happening.
 
2013-01-11 01:23:54 PM  
lh3.ggpht.com Approves
 
2013-01-11 01:36:02 PM  

CavalierEternal: I like the hire. A few years ago, he almost landed the HC job in Baltimore until he decided to re-sign as Cleveland's OC. If Norv (NORV!) comes in as OC like they're reporting, we should at least have a watchable offense this season.


Not sure why you would think Norv turner would make the offense watchable... you need a QB to do that.
 
2013-01-11 01:53:33 PM  

IlGreven: roc6783: CavalierEternal: I like the hire. A few years ago, he almost landed the HC job in Baltimore until he decided to re-sign as Cleveland's OC. If Norv (NORV!) comes in as OC like they're reporting, we should at least have a watchable offense this season.

I've gotten really high before, but I have never been Cleveland Browns Fan high.

I love that...Browns fans are crazy if they think they can ever be adequate.


MugzyBrown: CavalierEternal: I like the hire. A few years ago, he almost landed the HC job in Baltimore until he decided to re-sign as Cleveland's OC. If Norv (NORV!) comes in as OC like they're reporting, we should at least have a watchable offense this season.

Not sure why you would think Norv turner would make the offense watchable... you need a QB to do that.


Also, if you think I was actually being serious, then you are factory of sadness mistaken.
 
2013-01-11 02:03:06 PM  

MugzyBrown: CavalierEternal: I like the hire. A few years ago, he almost landed the HC job in Baltimore until he decided to re-sign as Cleveland's OC. If Norv (NORV!) comes in as OC like they're reporting, we should at least have a watchable offense this season.

Not sure why you would think Norv turner would make the offense watchable... you need a QB to do that.


We need a coach who knows how to utilize the QB we have. Weeden's got a goddamned laser rocket arm and he's at his best operating out of the shotgun, but Shumur had his receivers running four-yard go routes on every play with Weeden under center. I'm not convinced that Weeden can't be a quality QB in this league, at least not until I see what he's able to do without Shurmur's horrible play calling to hold him back.
 
2013-01-11 03:05:14 PM  

Hillbilly Jim: labman: And how many people are going to  get the reference to that movie.  How old is it anyway?

I laughed


me too
 
2013-01-11 03:17:15 PM  
(Full disclosure: Bengals fan, but one of my best friends is a lifelong Browns fan. We drink a lot.)

Shurmur and his "Childress lite" offense had to go: while there's some argument the team was not regressing, it didn't seem to be progressing very well either, and Shurmur definitely seemed in over his head (and don't get me started on Holmgren). At first, I didn't think Chudzinski was significantly different, being a middling coordinator who hasn't proven he can run a team. And honestly I don't think his coordinator resume is that impressive.

On further thought, though, I think the big deal here is that Chudzinski actually wants to be the Cleveland Browns coach, and better, because he actually loves the team. The last few dudes who came through seemed to be in it more to add the "transformed bottom-dweller into respectable contenders" line to their resumé. In a way, I think that attitude actually held Cleveland back, knowing these guys chose the team precisely because of how much Cleveland has sucked over the years. That can't excite players signed or drafted by the team.

Having a guy who actually cares about the Browns (who really were a great team once upon a time, for you youngun's who don't believe the legends) might be what the franchise needs. Rebuilding some pride in the team identity, instead of portraying it as a stepping-stone, might go a long way to getting the team on track again.

For me it all boils down to Haslam. If he's serious about stable, steady, non-interfering leadership, they have a chance. If he's gonna be another Randy Lerner... it's just gonna be more of the same.
 
2013-01-11 03:21:39 PM  

CavalierEternal: MugzyBrown: CavalierEternal: I like the hire. A few years ago, he almost landed the HC job in Baltimore until he decided to re-sign as Cleveland's OC. If Norv (NORV!) comes in as OC like they're reporting, we should at least have a watchable offense this season.

Not sure why you would think Norv turner would make the offense watchable... you need a QB to do that.

We need a coach who knows how to utilize the QB we have. Weeden's got a goddamned laser rocket arm and he's at his best operating out of the shotgun, but Shumur had his receivers running four-yard go routes on every play with Weeden under center. I'm not convinced that Weeden can't be a quality QB in this league, at least not until I see what he's able to do without Shurmur's horrible play calling to hold him back.


If Norv ends up as the OC it could be great for Weeden, though Norv may also just want his own guy at QB.
 
2013-01-11 03:47:23 PM  
Oh hell yes.

Chud was the best OC they had in Cleveland. Bernie Kosar raved about him (not sure if that is good or bad - considering his head injury). It isn't a big name, but he did everything right when he was here last.
 
2013-01-11 03:55:49 PM  
Oh, and FYI:

Chud, turned the Browns offense from 31st in the NFL in 2006 (not under him), to 8th in the NFL in 2007. Then, he did the same thing in Carolina. Went from 32nd (not under him), to number 7 in the NFL in 2011, and 12th this past year.

Sounds like just what the Browns ordered.

Mediocrity here we come!
 
2013-01-11 04:07:37 PM  

kukukupo: Went from 32nd (not under him), to number 7 in the NFL in 2011, and 12th this past year.


Yes, it was Chudzinski, not the fact that they went from being QB'd by Matt Moore (injured), Jimmy Clausen (majority of season), Brian St. Pierre to Cam Newton.

It wasn't that they went from having DeAngelo Williams, Johnathan Stewart, and Mike Goodson (their 3rd stringer) get injured to having Williams and Stewart healthy.

It wasn't that Steve Smith went from fighting several leg injuries all year to healthy.

It wasn't that they went from Dante Rosario at TE to Greg Olsen AND Jeremy Shockey.

In summation, it wasn't the difference between a vast upgrade at literally every skill position...it was Chudzinski.

Seriously. People think that's true. Wow.

/suckers
 
2013-01-11 05:24:06 PM  

IAmRight: kukukupo: Went from 32nd (not under him), to number 7 in the NFL in 2011, and 12th this past year.

Yes, it was Chudzinski, not the fact that they went from being QB'd by Matt Moore (injured), Jimmy Clausen (majority of season), Brian St. Pierre to Cam Newton.

It wasn't that they went from having DeAngelo Williams, Johnathan Stewart, and Mike Goodson (their 3rd stringer) get injured to having Williams and Stewart healthy.

It wasn't that Steve Smith went from fighting several leg injuries all year to healthy.

It wasn't that they went from Dante Rosario at TE to Greg Olsen AND Jeremy Shockey.

In summation, it wasn't the difference between a vast upgrade at literally every skill position...it was Chudzinski.

Seriously. People think that's true. Wow.

/suckers


Sure, I get your argument. But he did the same thing in Cleveland. With Derek Andersen.
 
2013-01-11 05:26:24 PM  
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2013-01-11 05:41:38 PM  
Subby, you're a farkin' genius.
 
2013-01-11 05:52:54 PM  
It cannot be stressed enough that Chud was able to make Pro-Bowlers out of Derek "THAT'S FINE" Anderson, Braylon "Stone Hands" Edwards and Kellen "Hold My Beer" Winslow, three guys whose careers have been disasters since they left, while also milking two more 1,000 yard seasons out of the rotting corpse of Jamal Lewis. That takes a hell of an offensive mind.
 
2013-01-11 06:10:35 PM  

CavalierEternal: MugzyBrown: CavalierEternal: I like the hire. A few years ago, he almost landed the HC job in Baltimore until he decided to re-sign as Cleveland's OC. If Norv (NORV!) comes in as OC like they're reporting, we should at least have a watchable offense this season.

Not sure why you would think Norv turner would make the offense watchable... you need a QB to do that.

We need a coach who knows how to utilize the QB we have. Weeden's got a goddamned laser rocket arm and he's at his best operating out of the shotgun, but Shumur had his receivers running four-yard go routes on every play with Weeden under center. I'm not convinced that Weeden can't be a quality QB in this league, at least not until I see what he's able to do without Shurmur's horrible play calling to hold him back.


See, and here I thought it was Colt McCoy holding Shurmur's play calling back...
 
2013-01-11 11:47:17 PM  

CavalierEternal: It cannot be stressed enough that Chud was able to make Pro-Bowlers out of Derek "THAT'S FINE" Anderson, Braylon "Stone Hands" Edwards and Kellen "Hold My Beer" Winslow, three guys whose careers have been disasters since they left, while also milking two more 1,000 yard seasons out of the rotting corpse of Jamal Lewis. That takes a hell of an offensive mind.


No need for quotation marks around Stone Hands, as that is part of his legal name.

And I thought it was Kellen "Soldier" Winslow, Jr.?
 
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