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2013-01-10 11:44:04 PM
Maybe I'm an idiot, but I'd think protocol in that situation would be to put your periscope back in your pocket and cruise away whistling.
 
2013-01-10 11:55:01 PM
HORRYWOOD!
 
FNG [TotalFark]
2013-01-11 12:09:22 AM
And that is what you call a "career-limiting experience".
 
2013-01-11 12:25:09 AM
Is that your periscope or are you just glad to see me?
 
2013-01-11 12:34:40 AM
A US submarine's periscope struck a vessel in the Gulf

Ouch! Right in the gulf!
 
2013-01-11 01:29:59 AM

FNG: And that is what you call a "career-limiting experience".


Came here to say this.  Gotta hate it for that sub commander..
 
2013-01-11 01:33:08 AM

Yes please: Maybe I'm an idiot, but I'd think protocol in that situation would be to put your periscope back in your pocket and cruise away whistling.


I agree dive and wait until someone complains.
 
2013-01-11 01:34:39 AM

Lucky LaRue: FNG: And that is what you call a "career-limiting experience".

Came here to say this.  Gotta hate it for that sub commander..


Nonsense. It's a resume builder to say you were in charge of a United States naval vessel in a collision situation and the boat didn't sink.

As a pilot, I've landed almost 99% of the planes I took off in!
 
2013-01-11 01:52:06 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: HORRYWOOD!


+1

And hard to imagine a Los Angeles class periscope being damaged by another moving ship without repairs costing $10m or so. "Major damage" probably starts at around $100m.
 
2013-01-11 01:57:54 AM

Lucky LaRue: Gotta hate it for that sub commander..


An attack submarine commander whose passive sonar is so poorly manned that it doesn't detect an undoubtedly very loud trawler/merchant driving right over it should be beached. That's like a US AFB that hosts a B-2 bomber wing and a couple squadrons of F-22s not noticing the Russian IL-76 until it's making a low pass down the runway.
 
2013-01-11 02:08:30 AM
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2013-01-11 03:36:24 AM

vossiewulf: MaudlinMutantMollusk: HORRYWOOD!

+1

And hard to imagine a Los Angeles class periscope being damaged by another moving ship without repairs costing $10m or so. "Major damage" probably starts at around $100m.


Yeah, it will cost a lot of dough. Anything on a sub costs a shiatload to fix. It is sort of like how everything in an airport is 6x more expensive.

/my dad occasionally fixes periscopes on site. It will be interesting to see if I get an email saying "off to Dubai"
 
2013-01-11 03:40:21 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: HORRYWOOD!


Aw, Jesus Christ guys it's a Jap sub!

/love that movie
 
2013-01-11 03:42:09 AM
Damage to the submarine was limited to one of its two periscopes while the vessel's nuclear reactor "remains in a safe condition"

So ... somebody out in the world thinks that a nuclear sub that bumps its periscope would affect the nuclear reactor that it needed to be clarified.
 
2013-01-11 03:42:18 AM
So.. the story is about the Gulf, next to it is a map of the US east coast, and above that is a photo that was taken off the coast of California.
 
2013-01-11 03:43:11 AM

vossiewulf: Lucky LaRue: Gotta hate it for that sub commander..

An attack submarine commander whose passive sonar is so poorly manned that it doesn't detect an undoubtedly very loud trawler/merchant driving right over it should be beached. That's like a US AFB that hosts a B-2 bomber wing and a couple squadrons of F-22s not noticing the Russian IL-76 until it's making a low pass down the runway.


Someones getting a chewing out that's for certain.
 
2013-01-11 03:45:28 AM
FTFA: "The vessel continued on a consistent course and speed offering no indication of distress or acknowledgement of a collision."

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2013-01-11 03:46:21 AM
The USS Jacksonville, a Los Angeles-class sub, "struck a vessel while operating in the Persian Gulf" at about 5:00 am local time (0200 GMT), the statement said.

"Jacksonville then surfaced from periscope depth to ascertain if there was any damage to the unidentified vessel," it said.


If I was a captain of some trawler in the Gulf and saw a Los Angeles-class attack sub surface next to me I'd probably just soil myself.
 
2013-01-11 03:47:24 AM
They should read Dr. Patrick Basham's take on Gambling a Healthy Bet. Here he discusses gamblers are distinguishable from non-gamblers.
 
2013-01-11 03:52:15 AM
Expect another fired boat/ship commander in the US Navy.

/wish we could do the same thing for incompetent commanders/generals in the Army.
 
2013-01-11 03:58:40 AM
The only mistakes you'll read about are the funny ones.
 
2013-01-11 03:58:48 AM

lordargent: Damage to the submarine was limited to one of its two periscopes while the vessel's nuclear reactor "remains in a safe condition"

So ... somebody out in the world thinks that a nuclear sub that bumps its periscope would affect the nuclear reactor that it needed to be clarified.


Exploding reactor compartment bolts, mail buoy watch, fallopian tubing.


Yes, it needs to be explained.

/former bubblehead
 
2013-01-11 04:00:45 AM

BeSerious: The only mistakes you'll read about are the funny ones.


It's my first day.
 
2013-01-11 04:02:23 AM
I'm pretty sure striking another boat is a career ender. There's certain procedure for surfacing a sub and it would involve easily detecting a loud arse surface vessel within collision distance. Unless it's doing an emergecy ballast blow in a real emergency situation some people are going to get canned or lose rank because of this.

/former submariner sonar operator
 
2013-01-11 04:04:04 AM

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: MaudlinMutantMollusk: HORRYWOOD!

Aw, Jesus Christ guys it's a Jap sub!

/love that movie


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2013-01-11 04:05:13 AM

Coming on a Bicycle: So.. the story is about the Gulf, next to it is a map of the US east coast, and above that is a photo that was taken off the coast of California.


Because America! Fark yeah!
 
2013-01-11 04:06:53 AM

vossiewulf: Lucky LaRue: Gotta hate it for that sub commander..

An attack submarine commander whose passive sonar is so poorly manned that it doesn't detect an undoubtedly very loud trawler/merchant driving right over it should be beached. That's like a US AFB that hosts a B-2 bomber wing and a couple squadrons of F-22s not noticing the Russian IL-76 until it's making a low pass down the runway.


1. The thermocline frustrates sonar, particularly passive mode.
2. They probably heard the ship and were using the periscope to pinpoint it's position.
 
2013-01-11 04:11:38 AM
It's like rubbing against someone while you have wood?
 
2013-01-11 04:21:09 AM
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2013-01-11 04:27:18 AM
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One ping only would have avoided this.  Just one ping.
 
2013-01-11 04:32:26 AM
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2013-01-11 04:39:48 AM
www.imfdb.org

You shouldn't touch the ordnance at all.
But more specifically, you should never pull this hand-operating lever to the rear.
Do not push a clip of ammunition down into the feed rollers here.
You never restore this lever to firing position. Do not make sure that this cover is completely closed.
Never depress operator's foot triggers here, here and at the rear here.
 
2013-01-11 04:48:26 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: It's like rubbing against someone while you have wood?


Isn't it ironic?
 
2013-01-11 04:52:17 AM

evil saltine: BeSerious: The only mistakes you'll read about are the funny ones.

It's my first day.


I was waiting for this one.
 
2013-01-11 04:58:05 AM
Can we blame this on brown people with the wrong religion now, please?
 
2013-01-11 05:00:22 AM
Well, THANK GOD the screen door wasn't damaged!
 
2013-01-11 05:07:13 AM
If only there were some way to verify if there were any other vessel above them, like how dolphins or bats find their way around without sight

/but seriously, things like this happen to keep comedians in business
 
2013-01-11 05:18:42 AM
"This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it."
 
2013-01-11 05:21:13 AM
Don't subs have a camera or something to actually look up before surfacing?
 
2013-01-11 05:21:35 AM
Was the message UP YOURS!
 
2013-01-11 05:24:26 AM
Want to randomly poke strangers in the night? Join the Navy!
 
2013-01-11 05:28:28 AM

studebaker hoch: Don't subs have a camera or something to actually look up before surfacing?


They have Sonar for determining where other ships are. Although, I heard it described as painted all your car windows black and then going for a drive.

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Lucky LaRue: FNG: And that is what you call a "career-limiting experience".

Came here to say this.  Gotta hate it for that sub commander..

Nonsense. It's a resume builder to say you were in charge of a United States naval vessel in a collision situation and the boat didn't sink.

As a pilot, I've landed almost 99% of the planes I took off in!


So you just left the 1% up there? Just like the people who abandon junker cars along the side of the road.
 
2013-01-11 05:35:44 AM
And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.

And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
 
2013-01-11 05:40:06 AM

Yes please: Maybe I'm an idiot, but I'd think protocol in that situation would be to put your periscope back in your pocket and cruise away whistling.


In domestic or allied waters, sure. Persian Gulf, you kinda wanna make sure you don't unintentionally start an international incident.
 
2013-01-11 05:54:39 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: It's like rubbing against someone while you have wood?


That's my old move! I use it on my girlfriend all the time! Mmmm....up periscope
 
2013-01-11 05:58:23 AM
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2013-01-11 06:08:26 AM
The Persian Gulf is really to shallow and constricted for our large nuke subs. We some smaller diesel/AIP subs for operations in waters like these.

Unfortunately our ability to build such subs is about zero thanks to Admiral Rickover so we would have to pruchase some foreign designs.
 
2013-01-11 06:30:37 AM

Teknowaffle: /my dad occasionally fixes periscopes on site. It will be interesting to see if I get an email saying "off to Dubai"


It'll be a full on replacement most likely using one of the several decommissioned boats periscopes (refurbished of course) so it shouldn't be too expensive compared to putting in a new one. Not too complicated as long as the seals or hoists weren't damaged (which it doesn't sound like they were or else the other ship would've noticed). The tricky part is when you have to open them up and work inside of them. I've had to do that once while underway (a sun filter got stuck in the sun position rendering the whole periscope useless) and while it was interesting looking up at the surface and the back of the boat from 150 feet down, the job itself was a huge pain in the butt to do underway mainly because the navy intentionally doesn't put the tech manuals for repairing them on the boats because they don't want us messing with their internals at all. There's a whole 6 moths worth of schooling that you have to go through in order to be certified to work on them.

As far as hitting something topside goes it really depends on what it was. A non-motorized craft can be hard to detect passively until it's really close aboard even in good conditions and places like the gulf with shallow water and a mixture of fresh and salt water along with dozens of contacts of various strengths at any given moment makes it much more difficult to passively detect, much less pinpoint a targets range if they aren't all that noisy to begin with. You can follow every procedure in the book to the letter and still hit someone under certain conditions. This isn't like hitting a charted underwater mountain or running aground. I'm sure that it will be looked at very closely but something like this is not a slam dunk end of a career situation unless someone screwed up and did something that they weren't supposed to (or didn't do something that they were supposed to do).
 
2013-01-11 06:31:53 AM

hasty ambush: The Persian Gulf is really to shallow and constricted for our large nuke subs. We some smaller diesel/AIP subs for operations in waters like these.

Unfortunately our ability to build such subs is about zero thanks to Admiral Rickover so we would have to pruchase some foreign designs.


We've got allies who make decent boats, or we could have outsourced the mission. It's also possible they needed the equipment on the big boat.

I'm suspecting the problem isn't the lack of a ping more than extreme bad luck.
Taking a wild guess that the sub was snooping someplace it wasn't supposed to be (as subs are want to do) and popped up right under some guys fishing boat.
Fisherman gets a "wtfbbq!" Wake up call, and out boat steams off hoping no one notices its there.
 
2013-01-11 06:35:20 AM
SO.... is there a radar "blind spot" directly above the sub?

/At least they didn't hit a boat full of school kids this time.
 
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