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(Metro)   Nearly 99 out of 100 sexual offenses committed in Britain end with nobody being punished -- possibly because the laws there have no teeth   (metro.co.uk) divider line 44
    More: Sad, Sex and the law, Britain, Ministry of Justice, Office for National Statistics, Jo Wood  
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2013-01-11 12:22:20 AM  
6 votes:
If the police record 53,700 incidents, and convictions are made in 5620 that's a 10.4% conviction rate, or more than ten times what the article claims it is.

Maybe instead of railing against the police, you should be angry at the alleged 350,000 people who didn't report their alleged sexual assault. The police aren't psychic. They can't do anything if you don't file a report.

If you are the victim of any crime, report it immediately or deal with it. You're under no obligation to utilize the legal system if you feel victimized but if you don't report the crime, you can't turn around and criticize the police for not doing anything. Even the biggest manhunts need a spark to start them. Your report is that spark.
2013-01-11 07:01:44 AM  
3 votes:
Oh goody, another rape thread. Let's all gather round and hear stories about the rampant problems of false-rape accusations, sperm-jackings and how those sluts were asking for it.

Here's an exercise for you gentlemen. Take 5 minutes, and honestly write down everything you do to avoid being raped.

Then go to 2 or 3 of your friends who are women, and get them to write down everything they do to avoid being raped.

Read that list. Process it.

Imagine living your life in fear of rape, tempering everything you do around avoidance of rape. A lifetime of programming that being raped is your fault, because you let yourself be taken advantage of. Living in a legal system that has a default assumption of your being a liar, with your voluntary sexual history being fair-game in the media and courts.

Don't go into your Mens Right's Activist approved stats showing that this one girl one time did something, step back and look at the forest. A forest full of women who have been taught that being raped is something they have to avoid.
2013-01-11 03:42:05 AM  
3 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: psychicdeath99: I am always curious about articles that claim xx% of offenses are not reported. How precisely do they arrive at these figures? Common sense would tell you that, of course, not all crimes are reported. But how do you determine that it is 90% not reported vs 25% or 5%? I can only assume that the percentage is simply pulling a number out of thin air.

Surveys conducted by government or nonprofit agencies that have a vested interest in shocking results.


Yes , I once read a survey that they use to come to such shocking conclusions - I think it was in an article called debunking the campus rape myth .went along the lines of -- Q- Have you every regretted having sex with someone? , If yes then you were raped Q- Have you have had sex while intoxicated? - If yes then you were raped Q-- Have you ever not enjoyed sex but felt you had continue ? If yes then you were raped . Q- Have you ever not enjoyed sex , if yes then you were raped . Have you ever felt bad the next day after sex- then you were raped
The questions were so ambiguous and with out any context that anyone who has had sex would score as " has been raped"
The woman who had three beers and slept with some one is counted the same as the one who had her drink spiked and passed out .
People sell you what they got -- They first thing that has been raped here is the statistics
2013-01-11 01:53:38 PM  
2 votes:

BronyMedic: GF named my left testicle thundercles: feminisim is about trying to portray women as victims so they they can get special resources and privileges allocated to them. heres an article that convincingly challenges the legitimacy of a famous rape survey.

Next time you want to rail against feminism, don't use an utterly biased source which has less trustworthiness than fox news.


so a survey defined being raped as having sex while drunk and then the survey is used to influence the law. but any critism is wrong because the critisim came from a neo-con think tank? im not a big fan of neo-cons, but i judge arguments based on their merits, not on the messenger.
2013-01-11 11:01:18 AM  
2 votes:

God Is My Co-Pirate: Fair enough, I respect that, but you should know that your words are coming across an awful lot like people who *do* say that.


Which of my words, in particular? Because the idea that a woman (or man, of course) who is raped must have wanted it, like the idea that a man (or woman) who is assaulted must have wanted it or the idea that someone whose house is burgled must have wanted it is so different from my views, and so repugnant to me, that I am really quite surprised that you could have inferred it from anything I wrote.

The idea that "all women want it" is one which, as far as I can tell, is only here being introduced by Bronymedic as a straw man with which to berate others.
2013-01-11 08:48:38 AM  
2 votes:

boinkingbill: This is the way most of the modern world is except for the US and Canada. Rape is obvious, it is forcible sex.
No bruises no broken bones no rape. Being drunk, high and stupid doesn't cut it. Gee, look how far the US has tumbled with the advent of feminism. Men become gay and women get what they always have craved, whimpy husbands who will do anything for them while they lay about doing nothing and having sex with anyone but their husbands. Not many men left in the US. Most are in jail and if I wasn't so damn crafty I would be there too.


Look buddy, I'd like to think of myself as a fighter...but in the face of a gun, or a severe beating that is likely to result in the same outcome...

Oh fark it. The fact that you even said something that goddam stupid means that is is a waste of time.

Fark is starting to depress me. Some of you guys are just farking broken.
2013-01-11 07:23:21 AM  
2 votes:

Bored Horde: Here's an exercise for you gentlemen. Take 5 minutes, and honestly write down everything you do to avoid being raped.

Then go to 2 or 3 of your friends who are women, and get them to write down everything they do to avoid being raped.


The things I do to avoid being mugged are, almost without exception, precisely the same as the things my female friends do to avoid being raped.
2013-01-11 07:22:38 AM  
2 votes:
If they're saying that 10% of reported incidents lead to a conviction, why do they assume that means that 90% "got away with it"? Wouldn't at least some of those be innocent?
2013-01-11 05:15:27 AM  
2 votes:

Virtuoso80: Women said they were too embarrassed, the offense was 'too trivial' or they did not think officers 'could do much to help'.

Too trivial? That's a new one to me. I've always been taught rape was the most awful, worse-than-death thing you could do to a woman. If it's trivial, and never gets reported, are you telling me I passed on all those potential date-rape opportunities for no good reason? Darn.


Are you actually stupid, or deliberately being stupid? The article is about "sexual offences" of which rape is only one. Most sexual offences are simply not worth the time and effort to report.

I've been seriously (hands inside my clothes) groped on an overnight bus, I've had a guy sit across the road from me in broad daylight and masturbate after I declined to get in his car, and I've been flashed. I won't bother to count the random grabs and coarse lewd comments by sober men in public, or the pawings, gropings, slobberings, and wounded aggression of the drunk ones. And I'm not even particularly attractive.

These things were crimes, but who really wants to put in all those hours with the cops for something minor like that?

Yep, that's right, women are so used to being sexually accosted in unwanted ways all the time everywhere they go that they don't even bother reporting it to the police because it's just not shocking or unusual.

Must be nice to be a man and not know how it feels to be so persistently harassed.

/Oh who cares, the article is just an excuse for another patented Fark misogyny thread
2013-01-11 04:29:28 AM  
2 votes:

Magic_Button: Yes , I once read a survey that they use to come to such shocking conclusions - I think it was in an article called debunking the campus rape myth .went along the lines of -- Q- Have you every regretted having sex with someone? , If yes then you were raped Q- Have you have had sex while intoxicated? - If yes then you were raped Q-- Have you ever not enjoyed sex but felt you had continue ? If yes then you were raped . Q- Have you ever not enjoyed sex , if yes then you were raped . Have you ever felt bad the next day after sex- then you were raped
The questions were so ambiguous and with out any context that anyone who has had sex would score as " has been raped"
The woman who had three beers and slept with some one is counted the same as the one who had her drink spiked and passed out .


There was a huge national campaign in the UK a few years ago about "watch your drink" because it was perceived that spiking was a problem (with Rohypnol).

A few years later, someone studied the tests of all the women who claimed that they must have had their drinks spiked. The result was that almost no-one had been slipped a roofie (literally a handful of women). The commonest link was that they'd all drank a lot (and knowingly so).

Scientists have even shown a link - women are far more sexually aggressive after booze. They are far more likely to sleep with a guy. The problem is that when they sober up, they think that they couldn't possibly have slept with the guy.

In the case of this survey, "sexual offenses" includes unwanted touching. Go on a date with a woman, perhaps have a dance, touch her ass, which isn't what she wanted, that's a "sexual offense". Most women would just brush that off as being forward, no big deal. But these survey people will ask a question like "has a man ever touched you sexually when you didn't want him to" and they've just raised their figure... hugely.

That's the game of these organisations. Funding depends on there being a problem. No problem, they've got to get a real job. So, they have to make sure there's a problem.
2013-01-11 04:15:52 AM  
2 votes:
Quoting a number of "offenses" that aren't even reported as though it is a categorical fact is demanding a hell of a lot of credulity from people. Where the hell can that number have come from?

TFA: On average, nearly half-a-million people a year say they have been victims of sex crimes, ranging from indecent exposure to rape. However, just one in ten of those are recorded by police.

Oh. (Let's dismiss entirely the idea of putting rape victims in the same category as people who have been flashed, which doesn't merit critique.)

How much would you bet that, using the same sort of self-reporting, 99 out of 100 cases of police brutality go unreported, 99 out of 100 convicts have received an unfair trial, 99 out of 100 ex-spouses got a raw deal in divorce court, 99 out 100 children got crappier presents than their siblings, and 99 out of 100 students got marked unfairly in the final exams?

It would make sense that rape is bound to go unreported more than other crimes. This is in the nature of sex, not law enforcement or prosecution or public policy. Other types of social dealings -- retail sales for example -- are conducted in the presence of witnesses and video monitoring, and the evidence usually points clearly to a crime, so victims have reasons to report it. Sex is customarily done in private, let's not even go into the problem of monitoring it,and most women go out of their way to minimize the evidence that it's taken place. This is discrete and ladylike, but sabotages the case against your date if he goes farther than you wanted him to. There is no point in reporting a crime when you have no proof, so we should expect underreporting in crimes where proof is sparse.

This is part of cultural practices. If it were customary to conduct all retail transactions in your friend's apartment after midnight with no one else around, we'd expect to see a very low rate of retail theft convictions and a lot of merchants who wouldn't think it worthwhile to report a theft. Blaming the police or society for not taking theft seriously enough would be no help, nor would marching down the street with "Theft is theft!" grease-painted on your back.
2013-01-11 03:54:53 PM  
1 votes:
So here's a bunch of guys with keyboards insisting, "most rape claims are absolute bullshiat!" while being utterly baffled as to why most rape victims don't bother to report this crime to a bunch of guys with badges.

Yeah, it's a real puzzler.
2013-01-11 12:14:49 PM  
1 votes:
I don't consider "exposure" a sex crime. At worst, it's a nuisance offense, like littering or jaywalking.

If you consider yourself a victim after seeing a peen, you need more therapy than the peen shower.
2013-01-11 11:50:12 AM  
1 votes:

Bored Horde: Because dudes are taught that if they want something, they should just take it. But now we're moving from "Women can't get justice when raped" to the natural follow-up, which is "because we live in a rape culture."


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2013-01-11 11:44:41 AM  
1 votes:

Bored Horde: Because dudes are taught that if they want something, they should just take it.


Nobody ever taught me that.
2013-01-11 11:43:41 AM  
1 votes:

God Is My Co-Pirate: It was this comment: Don't go down dark alleys or across empty parks at night and dress unobtrusively.

I'm really not trying to be argumentative, but the clothing part is just plain wrong.


Did you notice that that was a list of what I do to avoid being mugged? Try walking down the Shankill Road in a tricolour T-shirt and see how far that "clothing shouldn't matter" argument gets you. There are nasty people out there, and if you attract heir attention they are more likely to pick on you. So don't attract their attention.

Also, we shouldn't be telling women that some parts of the city are no-go areas for them. Work on making the whole city safer instead.

Of course we should make the whole city safer. But in the meantime, when some of it isn't?

I know those are extreme examples but maybe we should just lay off telling the victims what they should or shouldn't have done, and focus on the perpatrators instead.

I'm not telling victims what they should or shouldn't have done. I'm giving some advice which might help people stop people becoming victims in the first place. Once they have become victims anything they did, or didn't do, is irrelevant.

And you'll note that I have never, ever, said anything as offensive as "women want to be raped", which is what you claimed I said.
2013-01-11 10:48:53 AM  
1 votes:

orbister: BronyMedic: Sexual assault and beating someone up because you think they're a vulnerable pussy are two different things.

They are both forms of assault. In both cases potential victims can take action which reduces the risk. There are bad people out there, Fluttershy.

Do you tell someone "they wanted it" if they get held at knife point and told to hand over their wallet, or if someone puts a gun up to your head while you're starting your car and says "Keys or your life"?

No, and I don't tell women they wanted it if they were raped either.


Fair enough, I respect that, but you should know that your words are coming across an awful lot like people who *do* say that.
2013-01-11 10:38:41 AM  
1 votes:

BronyMedic: Sexual assault and beating someone up because you think they're a vulnerable pussy are two different things.


They are both forms of assault. In both cases potential victims can take action which reduces the risk. There are bad people out there, Fluttershy.

Do you tell someone "they wanted it" if they get held at knife point and told to hand over their wallet, or if someone puts a gun up to your head while you're starting your car and says "Keys or your life"?

No, and I don't tell women they wanted it if they were raped either.
2013-01-11 10:25:09 AM  
1 votes:

BronyMedic: Women should not have to live in a first world society in mortal fear of having something that is incredibly primal and violent done to them unless they behave and act in a certain manner morally consistent with one person's ideas


Neither should men. Do you walk down dark alleys in rough areas at night while wearing your broney costume?

In a perfect world nobody would be at risk of assault. In the real world we all are, and it's sensible to take reasonable precautions to minimise the risk. I shouldn't have to lock my car or house, but I do.
2013-01-11 10:22:40 AM  
1 votes:

God Is My Co-Pirate: "Risk mitigation" isn't helpful when it really means "dress like I think you should."


It is useful, though, when it means, "don't behave in a way which attracts undue attention when some of the attention it attracts may be dangerous." If you're going to sit in the Rangers end at an Old Firm game, wearing Rangers strip or dressing neutrally is just fine. Wearing Celtic strip is ill-advised, even though (goddammit how often does this have to be said?) any one who attacks you as a result bears all the responsibility.
2013-01-11 10:15:29 AM  
1 votes:

BronyMedic: I'm asking for a clarification on that statement. The idea that a woman dressing a certain manner, or wearing a certain type of shoes or clothing style is signaling she wants forcible sex ...


exists, in this thread anyway, entirely as a fantasy in your own mind.
2013-01-11 10:12:23 AM  
1 votes:

chrylis: You keep invoking special pleading in the specific case of rape, insisting that defensive advice is necessarily equivalent to assigning moral responsibility to the victim, when orbister and others are advocating global risk mitigation. The fact that a handful of deplorables (likely mixed with a large helping of trolls) brings out the "she was asking for it" card doesn't excuse calling everyone who encourages both prudence on women's part and "supply-side" intervention a misogynistic rape-lover, no matter how reflexive that response has become for some.


You seem to keep invoking the idea that women who are raped do so because they don't take precautions against doing so.  Women should not have to live in a first world society in mortal fear of having something that is incredibly primal and violent done to them unless they behave and act in a certain manner morally consistent with one person's ideas. And when women are raped, they shouldn't have to feel like THEY are the criminal when they come forward to report their violation.

And I also think you vastly overestimate how many people who play that card are actually trolling on the internet. There should be a disclaimer on many of those posts, like South Park had on the Scientology episode: "This is what this poster actually believes."

Far too many people on FARK who post morally and ethically indefensible tripe are written off as trolling when in reality it's how they really feel. And there are plenty of "Mens Rights" assholes on this website who will gladly tell you how they feel along those lines.

chrylis: What's worse is that we don't have any reliable statistics on the incidence of rape (even for some suitably clear definition), the incidents that are reported, and false reports, but men have a legitimate concern about being the targets of mistaken or even malicious accusations, as even a case that got the prosecutor disbarred for misconduct still derailed the college careers of the team. Type I and Type II errors are both bad, and both need to be handled with care.


You're talking to someone who has had a false accusation of rape levied against him because his family wouldn't pay the girl a grand to leave him alone after he broke up with her. The problem with treating ALL rape victims as liars and frauds is that you're unfairly targeting and encouraging a population which is ALREADY highly unlikely to report the crime due to culture and psychological trauma of the event to further suffer in silence, and allow rapists to go unpunished.
2013-01-11 10:08:58 AM  
1 votes:

chrylis: BronyMedic: I know better.

I'm asking for a clarification on that statement. The idea that a woman dressing a certain manner, or wearing a certain type of shoes or clothing style is signaling she wants forcible sex (that she doesn't really know she wants, anyway) is a cultural thing that is perpetuated among the "Men's Rights" (With the same legitimacy as a "People's Republic) crowd. Women "trap" men into raping them, in their minds.

You keep invoking special pleading in the specific case of rape, insisting that defensive advice is necessarily equivalent to assigning moral responsibility to the victim, when orbister and others are advocating global risk mitigation. The fact that a handful of deplorables (likely mixed with a large helping of trolls) brings out the "she was asking for it" card doesn't excuse calling everyone who encourages both prudence on women's part and "supply-side" intervention a misogynistic rape-lover, no matter how reflexive that response has become for some.


"Risk mitigation" isn't helpful when it really means "dress like I think you should."

1) It's patronizing
2) It assigns blame to the victim if anything happens
3) It assumes that women should change what they're doing, and lets men off their responsibilities
4) It assumes that the speaker has the right to decide what is appropriate for another person
5) It treasts women's bodies like public property
6) It simply doesn't work. Women go to the beach and the pool safely every day. Afghanistan has a very high rate of rape despite the burqa. The amount of skin showing is not the issue. Almost as if the problem is not seeing women as individual human beings with human rights.
2013-01-11 10:05:26 AM  
1 votes:

BronyMedic: Rape victims are regularly told they're falsifying or "regret" consensual sex, and are told it'd be better if they didn't report the crime by cops and got on with their life.


Missed that part. I'm perfectly willing to agree that telling women not to report rape and just "deal with it" is despicable. At the same time, justice demands recognition that false accusations, even willful ones, happen, and that appropriate penalties be sought in those cases. Crystal Mangum, for example, was never even charged with filing a false report, much less anything more serious. What's worse is that we don't have any reliable statistics on the incidence of rape (even for some suitably clear definition), the incidents that are reported, and false reports, but men have a legitimate concern about being the targets of mistaken or even malicious accusations, as even a case that got the prosecutor disbarred for misconduct still derailed the college careers of the team. Type I and Type II errors are both bad, and both need to be handled with care.
2013-01-11 09:56:00 AM  
1 votes:

BronyMedic: I know better.

I'm asking for a clarification on that statement. The idea that a woman dressing a certain manner, or wearing a certain type of shoes or clothing style is signaling she wants forcible sex (that she doesn't really know she wants, anyway) is a cultural thing that is perpetuated among the "Men's Rights" (With the same legitimacy as a "People's Republic) crowd. Women "trap" men into raping them, in their minds.


You keep invoking special pleading in the specific case of rape, insisting that defensive advice is necessarily equivalent to assigning moral responsibility to the victim, when orbister and others are advocating global risk mitigation. The fact that a handful of deplorables (likely mixed with a large helping of trolls) brings out the "she was asking for it" card doesn't excuse calling everyone who encourages both prudence on women's part and "supply-side" intervention a misogynistic rape-lover, no matter how reflexive that response has become for some.
2013-01-11 09:50:22 AM  
1 votes:

orbister: BronyMedic: Live in an upper-middle class White Neighborhood with good police coverage, low poverty and marginal SES deficiency levels, a high level of general education, and not wear short skirts so you don't look like you're asking for it?

Don't go down dark alleys or across empty parks at night and dress unobtrusively, yes. If I could afford a Rolex (hah!) and lacked the taste to buy one, I'd keep it hidden. Not that it would be in anyway my fault if I got mugged, you understand, but risk prevention is sensible.


Dress unobtrusively? What precisely do you mean by that? Clearly you should teach me exactly what your modesty standards are, so that I don't run the risk of unleashing an uncontrollable boner on the world. Perhaps to be on the safe side I should invest in some sort of head-to-toe drapery.
2013-01-11 09:33:20 AM  
1 votes:

BronyMedic: So if I were a woman walking home from a party in a short dress and heels, and a man raped me, I was asking for it?


Come on, I know you know better. Telling people to lock their car doors isn't the same as considering them morally responsible if someone breaks in and steals the stereo, but living in a risky world demands that prudent people take cost-effective steps to minimize their risks.
2013-01-11 09:28:33 AM  
1 votes:

BronyMedic: When you have a cop climb in your ambulance and tell a battered rape victim to "Stop her farking lying and tell the truth that she wanted it" after a group of teens held her for two days as a farktoy, there's something inherently wrong with our system.


You make an awful big assumption there: that our system is supposed to work like that and that the fault is therefore in the system.
2013-01-11 08:34:39 AM  
1 votes:
I do not believe the claims this article makes. Some organization is trying to get funding with statistics pulled out of their asses, and the press just parrots anything they say, as usual.
2013-01-11 08:18:31 AM  
1 votes:

Bored Horde: Oh goody, another rape thread. Let's all gather round and hear stories about the rampant problems of false-rape accusations, sperm-jackings and how those sluts were asking for it.

Here's an exercise for you gentlemen. Take 5 minutes, and honestly write down everything you do to avoid being raped.

Then go to 2 or 3 of your friends who are women, and get them to write down everything they do to avoid being raped.

Read that list. Process it.

Imagine living your life in fear of rape, tempering everything you do around avoidance of rape. A lifetime of programming that being raped is your fault, because you let yourself be taken advantage of. Living in a legal system that has a default assumption of your being a liar, with your voluntary sexual history being fair-game in the media and courts.

Don't go into your Mens Right's Activist approved stats showing that this one girl one time did something, step back and look at the forest. A forest full of women who have been taught that being raped is something they have to avoid.


You need to get help before you snap and shoot up a school, paranoid person.
2013-01-11 08:12:35 AM  
1 votes:
All I know is that 2 women I had long term relationships with were victims of either rape or attempted rape, I have no doubt of this - (and this is FARK so NO, I was not the perp).

Based on an N of 2 I am convinced that rape is prevalent and society needs to fight it in the media and on campus.

This idea that rape statistics are a feminist contrivance obscure the fact that too many women experience assaults, especially from ppl they know. Whether its 7% or 25% is not the point, we need to oppose the male culture that enables this while encouraging men to be better partners and fathers.
2013-01-11 07:06:13 AM  
1 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: psychicdeath99: I am always curious about articles that claim xx% of offenses are not reported. How precisely do they arrive at these figures? Common sense would tell you that, of course, not all crimes are reported. But how do you determine that it is 90% not reported vs 25% or 5%? I can only assume that the percentage is simply pulling a number out of thin air.

Surveys conducted by government or nonprofit agencies that have a vested interest in shocking results.


In the real world, those numbers are generated by peer-reviewed academic research that uses methods that have been independently verified. In your head, they're part of the vast and powerful feminist conspiracy that has resulted in... um... women still being paid less, being taken less seriously, having fewer career options, being harassed constantly, and still being routinely denied justice when raped. What a vast, powerful and far-reaching conspiracy indeed.
2013-01-11 06:17:32 AM  
1 votes:

butt-nuggets: DNRTFA but, I think the maths in subby's headline is wrong.


the article is a scare piece generated by a couple of charities in whose financial interest it is to overstate the number of sex crimes.
2013-01-11 06:13:17 AM  
1 votes:

GF named my left testicle thundercles: farkeruk: Magic_Button: Yes , I once read a survey that they use to come to such shocking conclusions - I think it was in an article called debunking the campus rape myth .went along the lines of -- Q- Have you every regretted having sex with someone? , If yes then you were raped Q- Have you have had sex while intoxicated? - If yes then you were raped Q-- Have you ever not enjoyed sex but felt you had continue ? If yes then you were raped . Q- Have you ever not enjoyed sex , if yes then you were raped . Have you ever felt bad the next day after sex- then you were raped
The questions were so ambiguous and with out any context that anyone who has had sex would score as " has been raped"
The woman who had three beers and slept with some one is counted the same as the one who had her drink spiked and passed out .

There was a huge national campaign in the UK a few years ago about "watch your drink" because it was perceived that spiking was a problem (with Rohypnol).

A few years later, someone studied the tests of all the women who claimed that they must have had their drinks spiked. The result was that almost no-one had been slipped a roofie (literally a handful of women). The commonest link was that they'd all drank a lot (and knowingly so).

Scientists have even shown a link - women are far more sexually aggressive after booze. They are far more likely to sleep with a guy. The problem is that when they sober up, they think that they couldn't possibly have slept with the guy.

In the case of this survey, "sexual offenses" includes unwanted touching. Go on a date with a woman, perhaps have a dance, touch her ass, which isn't what she wanted, that's a "sexual offense". Most women would just brush that off as being forward, no big deal. But these survey people will ask a question like "has a man ever touched you sexually when you didn't want him to" and they've just raised their figure... hugely.

That's the game of these organisations. Funding depends on there being a problem. No ...

feminisim is about trying to portray women as victims so they they can get special resources and privileges allocated to them. heres an article that convincingly challenges the legitimacy of a famous rape survey.


A while ago there was a Fark thread about the latest survey which claimed that 1in6 women were raped. I remember being called a rape apologist for making pretty much the same arguments about the quality of the survey sa were made in that article.

/Good times
2013-01-11 05:17:19 AM  
1 votes:

Magic_Button: BarkingUnicorn: psychicdeath99:
....

Yes , I once read a survey that they use to come to such shocking conclusions - I think it was in an article called debunking the campus rape myth .went along the lines of -- Q- Have you every regretted having sex with someone? , If yes then you were raped Q- Have you have had sex while intoxicated? - If yes then you were raped Q-- Have you ever not enjoyed sex but felt you had continue ? If yes then you were raped . Q- Have you ever not enjoyed sex , if yes then you were raped . Have you ever felt bad the next day after sex- then you were raped
The questions were so ambiguous and with out any context that anyone who has had sex would score as " has been raped"
The woman who had three beers and slept with some one is counted the same as the one who had her drink spiked and passed out .
People sell you what they got -- They first thing that has been raped here is the statistics


Wow, I'd have never thought myself either a rapist nor a rape victim but if that's the benchmark then I'm both on multiple counts.

Sensationalist journalism at its worst, and the real victims are the women who have been raped or otherwise sexually abused and who knew there was no point reporting it because of what they'd heard in the media.
2013-01-11 04:58:59 AM  
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farkeruk: Magic_Button: Yes , I once read a survey that they use to come to such shocking conclusions - I think it was in an article called debunking the campus rape myth .went along the lines of -- Q- Have you every regretted having sex with someone? , If yes then you were raped Q- Have you have had sex while intoxicated? - If yes then you were raped Q-- Have you ever not enjoyed sex but felt you had continue ? If yes then you were raped . Q- Have you ever not enjoyed sex , if yes then you were raped . Have you ever felt bad the next day after sex- then you were raped
The questions were so ambiguous and with out any context that anyone who has had sex would score as " has been raped"
The woman who had three beers and slept with some one is counted the same as the one who had her drink spiked and passed out .

There was a huge national campaign in the UK a few years ago about "watch your drink" because it was perceived that spiking was a problem (with Rohypnol).

A few years later, someone studied the tests of all the women who claimed that they must have had their drinks spiked. The result was that almost no-one had been slipped a roofie (literally a handful of women). The commonest link was that they'd all drank a lot (and knowingly so).

Scientists have even shown a link - women are far more sexually aggressive after booze. They are far more likely to sleep with a guy. The problem is that when they sober up, they think that they couldn't possibly have slept with the guy.

In the case of this survey, "sexual offenses" includes unwanted touching. Go on a date with a woman, perhaps have a dance, touch her ass, which isn't what she wanted, that's a "sexual offense". Most women would just brush that off as being forward, no big deal. But these survey people will ask a question like "has a man ever touched you sexually when you didn't want him to" and they've just raised their figure... hugely.

That's the game of these organisations. Funding depends on there being a problem. No ...


feminisim is about trying to portray women as victims so they they can get special resources and privileges allocated to them. heres an article that convincingly challenges the legitimacy of a famous rape survey.
2013-01-11 04:27:26 AM  
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Women said they were too embarrassed, the offense was 'too trivial' or they did not think officers 'could do much to help'.

Too trivial? That's a new one to me. I've always been taught rape was the most awful, worse-than-death thing you could do to a woman. If it's trivial, and never gets reported, are you telling me I passed on all those potential date-rape opportunities for no good reason? Darn.
2013-01-11 04:01:27 AM  
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doglover: If the police record 53,700 incidents, and convictions are made in 5620 that's a 10.4% conviction rate, or more than ten times what the article claims it is.

Maybe instead of railing against the police, you should be angry at the alleged 350,000 people who didn't report their alleged sexual assault. The police aren't psychic. They can't do anything if you don't file a report.

If you are the victim of any crime, report it immediately or deal with it. You're under no obligation to utilize the legal system if you feel victimized but if you don't report the crime, you can't turn around and criticize the police for not doing anything. Even the biggest manhunts need a spark to start them. Your report is that spark.


you mean numbers generated from the feminist establishment are completely and provably wrong? SHOCKING!
2013-01-11 03:45:19 AM  
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Looks like I might be more accepted across the pond.
2013-01-11 03:18:27 AM  
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psychicdeath99: I am always curious about articles that claim xx% of offenses are not reported. How precisely do they arrive at these figures? Common sense would tell you that, of course, not all crimes are reported. But how do you determine that it is 90% not reported vs 25% or 5%? I can only assume that the percentage is simply pulling a number out of thin air.


Surveys conducted by government or nonprofit agencies that have a vested interest in shocking results.
2013-01-11 03:03:12 AM  
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Securitywyrm: But they're not allowed to carry guns in Britain, so violent and sexual crime shouldn't be an issue!


It isn't an issue. Did you even read the article? They counted stuff like indecent exposure and "crimes" that weren't even reported to the police.
2013-01-11 02:59:58 AM  
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But they're not allowed to carry guns in Britain, so violent and sexual crime shouldn't be an issue!
2013-01-11 01:18:36 AM  
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British people having sex is offensive.

/I kid, old bean
2013-01-11 12:30:05 AM  
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