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(Metro)   Nearly 99 out of 100 sexual offenses committed in Britain end with nobody being punished -- possibly because the laws there have no teeth   (metro.co.uk) divider line 113
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2013-01-11 12:22:20 AM
If the police record 53,700 incidents, and convictions are made in 5620 that's a 10.4% conviction rate, or more than ten times what the article claims it is.

Maybe instead of railing against the police, you should be angry at the alleged 350,000 people who didn't report their alleged sexual assault. The police aren't psychic. They can't do anything if you don't file a report.

If you are the victim of any crime, report it immediately or deal with it. You're under no obligation to utilize the legal system if you feel victimized but if you don't report the crime, you can't turn around and criticize the police for not doing anything. Even the biggest manhunts need a spark to start them. Your report is that spark.
 
2013-01-11 12:30:05 AM
www.welovemoviesmorethanyou.com

/oblig
 
2013-01-11 12:59:26 AM

doglover: If the police record 53,700 incidents, and convictions are made in 5620 that's a 10.4% conviction rate, or more than ten times what the article claims it is.

Maybe instead of railing against the police, you should be angry at the alleged 350,000 people who didn't report their alleged sexual assault. The police aren't psychic. They can't do anything if you don't file a report.

If you are the victim of any crime, report it immediately or deal with it. You're under no obligation to utilize the legal system if you feel victimized but if you don't report the crime, you can't turn around and criticize the police for not doing anything. Even the biggest manhunts need a spark to start them. Your report is that spark.


10.4% is a bit low.

/fark the author and his shiatty story
 
2013-01-11 01:18:36 AM
British people having sex is offensive.

/I kid, old bean
 
2013-01-11 02:55:33 AM
www.sadanduseless.com
 
2013-01-11 02:56:57 AM
DNRTFA but, I think the maths in subby's headline is wrong.
 
2013-01-11 02:57:41 AM

Lionel Mandrake: British people having sex

old bean


www.biography.com

I believe you've made a funny.


cman: 10.4% is a bit low.


They're counting things like exposure. One guy in a used trench coat can rack up dozens of counts of exposure in a week and you can't charge or convict him because he tosses the trench coat in the garbage and puts on sweatpants and now no one knows who he is or what he looks like above the waist.

Meanwhile groping on a train is dozens of witnesses and probably video and, as one of my Japanese friends over shared with me, occasionally DNA evidence on your purse.
 
2013-01-11 02:59:58 AM
But they're not allowed to carry guns in Britain, so violent and sexual crime shouldn't be an issue!
 
2013-01-11 03:01:46 AM

doglover: Lionel Mandrake: British people having sex

old bean

[www.biography.com image 402x402]

I believe you've made a funny.


cman: 10.4% is a bit low.

They're counting things like exposure. One guy in a used trench coat can rack up dozens of counts of exposure in a week and you can't charge or convict him because he tosses the trench coat in the garbage and puts on sweatpants and now no one knows who he is or what he looks like above the waist.

Meanwhile groping on a train is dozens of witnesses and probably video and, as one of my Japanese friends over shared with me, occasionally DNA evidence on your purse.


LOL ... I almost spewed my whiskey .....

/almost
 
2013-01-11 03:02:11 AM

StoPPeRmobile: [www.sadanduseless.com image 768x1024]


What kind of kayak has gears?
 
2013-01-11 03:03:12 AM

Securitywyrm: But they're not allowed to carry guns in Britain, so violent and sexual crime shouldn't be an issue!


It isn't an issue. Did you even read the article? They counted stuff like indecent exposure and "crimes" that weren't even reported to the police.
 
2013-01-11 03:04:39 AM

doglover: Meanwhile groping on a train is dozens of witnesses and probably video and, as one of my Japanese friends over shared with me, occasionally DNA evidence on your purse.


Why ever would your Japanese friend think you wanted to share the pervo's DNA? Is that just the kind of impression you give off?
 
2013-01-11 03:05:37 AM

HotWingAgenda: What kind of kayak has gears?


One that's clearly a sculpture.

/or do you think it floats well with only half a kayak bolted to a concrete block in the back, and with a great big half-wheel sticking out the front of it?
 
2013-01-11 03:06:23 AM

HotWingAgenda: StoPPeRmobile: [www.sadanduseless.com image 768x1024]

What kind of kayak has gears?


Multiple choice:

1) the geared one
B) the one that was retrofitted for gears, after manufacure
♥) all of the above
 
2013-01-11 03:06:54 AM
I am always curious about articles that claim xx% of offenses are not reported. How precisely do they arrive at these figures? Common sense would tell you that, of course, not all crimes are reported. But how do you determine that it is 90% not reported vs 25% or 5%? I can only assume that the percentage is simply pulling a number out of thin air.
 
2013-01-11 03:10:47 AM

psychicdeath99: I am always curious about articles that claim xx% of offenses are not reported. How precisely do they arrive at these figures? Common sense would tell you that, of course, not all crimes are reported. But how do you determine that it is 90% not reported vs 25% or 5%? I can only assume that the percentage is simply pulling a number out of thin air.


Statistics are usually arrived at "ex recto" in all fields.
 
2013-01-11 03:18:27 AM

psychicdeath99: I am always curious about articles that claim xx% of offenses are not reported. How precisely do they arrive at these figures? Common sense would tell you that, of course, not all crimes are reported. But how do you determine that it is 90% not reported vs 25% or 5%? I can only assume that the percentage is simply pulling a number out of thin air.


Surveys conducted by government or nonprofit agencies that have a vested interest in shocking results.
 
2013-01-11 03:20:02 AM
2.bp.blogspot.com
Adios, muchachos
 
2013-01-11 03:23:02 AM

psychicdeath99: I am always curious about articles that claim xx% of offenses are not reported. How precisely do they arrive at these figures? Common sense would tell you that, of course, not all crimes are reported. But how do you determine that it is 90% not reported vs 25% or 5%? I can only assume that the percentage is simply pulling a number out of thin air.


Well, duh. They wait for the people who didn't report it to come forward and report that fact. Then they just count them. Easy peasy rapeanesey.

/wait, what?
 
2013-01-11 03:32:23 AM

HotWingAgenda: StoPPeRmobile: [www.sadanduseless.com image 768x1024]

What kind of kayak has gears?


An outraged one of course.
 
2013-01-11 03:42:05 AM

BarkingUnicorn: psychicdeath99: I am always curious about articles that claim xx% of offenses are not reported. How precisely do they arrive at these figures? Common sense would tell you that, of course, not all crimes are reported. But how do you determine that it is 90% not reported vs 25% or 5%? I can only assume that the percentage is simply pulling a number out of thin air.

Surveys conducted by government or nonprofit agencies that have a vested interest in shocking results.


Yes , I once read a survey that they use to come to such shocking conclusions - I think it was in an article called debunking the campus rape myth .went along the lines of -- Q- Have you every regretted having sex with someone? , If yes then you were raped Q- Have you have had sex while intoxicated? - If yes then you were raped Q-- Have you ever not enjoyed sex but felt you had continue ? If yes then you were raped . Q- Have you ever not enjoyed sex , if yes then you were raped . Have you ever felt bad the next day after sex- then you were raped
The questions were so ambiguous and with out any context that anyone who has had sex would score as " has been raped"
The woman who had three beers and slept with some one is counted the same as the one who had her drink spiked and passed out .
People sell you what they got -- They first thing that has been raped here is the statistics
 
2013-01-11 03:45:19 AM
Looks like I might be more accepted across the pond.
 
2013-01-11 03:54:06 AM
This is the way most of the modern world is except for the US and Canada. Rape is obvious, it is forcible sex. No bruises no broken bones no rape. Being drunk, high and stupid doesn't cut it. Gee, look how far the US has tumbled with the advent of feminism. Men become gay and women get what they always have craved, whimpy husbands who will do anything for them while they lay about doing nothing and having sex with anyone but their husbands. Not many men left in the US. Most are in jail and if I wasn't so damn crafty I would be there too.
 
2013-01-11 04:01:27 AM

doglover: If the police record 53,700 incidents, and convictions are made in 5620 that's a 10.4% conviction rate, or more than ten times what the article claims it is.

Maybe instead of railing against the police, you should be angry at the alleged 350,000 people who didn't report their alleged sexual assault. The police aren't psychic. They can't do anything if you don't file a report.

If you are the victim of any crime, report it immediately or deal with it. You're under no obligation to utilize the legal system if you feel victimized but if you don't report the crime, you can't turn around and criticize the police for not doing anything. Even the biggest manhunts need a spark to start them. Your report is that spark.


you mean numbers generated from the feminist establishment are completely and provably wrong? SHOCKING!
 
2013-01-11 04:03:00 AM
On average, nearly half-a-million people a year say they have been victims of sex crimes, ranging from indecent exposure to rape.

So, at that rate it will only be 120 years until the entire population of Britain has been raped?

*waits patiently for his turn*
 
2013-01-11 04:10:12 AM
It's not rape if they're not crying
 
2013-01-11 04:11:31 AM

Securitywyrm: But they're not allowed to carry guns in Britain, so violent and sexual crime shouldn't be an issue!


I'm on the fence - I might just agree with your viewpoint on the gun issue but please... There have been 50 threads a day devoted to that specific topic. Would you please keep your comments about guns in those threads?
 
2013-01-11 04:15:52 AM
Quoting a number of "offenses" that aren't even reported as though it is a categorical fact is demanding a hell of a lot of credulity from people. Where the hell can that number have come from?

TFA: On average, nearly half-a-million people a year say they have been victims of sex crimes, ranging from indecent exposure to rape. However, just one in ten of those are recorded by police.

Oh. (Let's dismiss entirely the idea of putting rape victims in the same category as people who have been flashed, which doesn't merit critique.)

How much would you bet that, using the same sort of self-reporting, 99 out of 100 cases of police brutality go unreported, 99 out of 100 convicts have received an unfair trial, 99 out of 100 ex-spouses got a raw deal in divorce court, 99 out 100 children got crappier presents than their siblings, and 99 out of 100 students got marked unfairly in the final exams?

It would make sense that rape is bound to go unreported more than other crimes. This is in the nature of sex, not law enforcement or prosecution or public policy. Other types of social dealings -- retail sales for example -- are conducted in the presence of witnesses and video monitoring, and the evidence usually points clearly to a crime, so victims have reasons to report it. Sex is customarily done in private, let's not even go into the problem of monitoring it,and most women go out of their way to minimize the evidence that it's taken place. This is discrete and ladylike, but sabotages the case against your date if he goes farther than you wanted him to. There is no point in reporting a crime when you have no proof, so we should expect underreporting in crimes where proof is sparse.

This is part of cultural practices. If it were customary to conduct all retail transactions in your friend's apartment after midnight with no one else around, we'd expect to see a very low rate of retail theft convictions and a lot of merchants who wouldn't think it worthwhile to report a theft. Blaming the police or society for not taking theft seriously enough would be no help, nor would marching down the street with "Theft is theft!" grease-painted on your back.
 
2013-01-11 04:27:26 AM
Women said they were too embarrassed, the offense was 'too trivial' or they did not think officers 'could do much to help'.

Too trivial? That's a new one to me. I've always been taught rape was the most awful, worse-than-death thing you could do to a woman. If it's trivial, and never gets reported, are you telling me I passed on all those potential date-rape opportunities for no good reason? Darn.
 
2013-01-11 04:29:28 AM

Magic_Button: Yes , I once read a survey that they use to come to such shocking conclusions - I think it was in an article called debunking the campus rape myth .went along the lines of -- Q- Have you every regretted having sex with someone? , If yes then you were raped Q- Have you have had sex while intoxicated? - If yes then you were raped Q-- Have you ever not enjoyed sex but felt you had continue ? If yes then you were raped . Q- Have you ever not enjoyed sex , if yes then you were raped . Have you ever felt bad the next day after sex- then you were raped
The questions were so ambiguous and with out any context that anyone who has had sex would score as " has been raped"
The woman who had three beers and slept with some one is counted the same as the one who had her drink spiked and passed out .


There was a huge national campaign in the UK a few years ago about "watch your drink" because it was perceived that spiking was a problem (with Rohypnol).

A few years later, someone studied the tests of all the women who claimed that they must have had their drinks spiked. The result was that almost no-one had been slipped a roofie (literally a handful of women). The commonest link was that they'd all drank a lot (and knowingly so).

Scientists have even shown a link - women are far more sexually aggressive after booze. They are far more likely to sleep with a guy. The problem is that when they sober up, they think that they couldn't possibly have slept with the guy.

In the case of this survey, "sexual offenses" includes unwanted touching. Go on a date with a woman, perhaps have a dance, touch her ass, which isn't what she wanted, that's a "sexual offense". Most women would just brush that off as being forward, no big deal. But these survey people will ask a question like "has a man ever touched you sexually when you didn't want him to" and they've just raised their figure... hugely.

That's the game of these organisations. Funding depends on there being a problem. No problem, they've got to get a real job. So, they have to make sure there's a problem.
 
2013-01-11 04:38:31 AM

doglover: If the police record 53,700 incidents, and convictions are made in 5620 that's a 10.4% conviction rate, or more than ten times what the article claims it is.

Maybe instead of railing against the police, you should be angry at the alleged 350,000 people who didn't report their alleged sexual assault. The police aren't psychic. They can't do anything if you don't file a report.

If you are the victim of any crime, report it immediately or deal with it. You're under no obligation to utilize the legal system if you feel victimized but if you don't report the crime, you can't turn around and criticize the police for not doing anything. Even the biggest manhunts need a spark to start them. Your report is that spark.


So your saying that the current gap in statistical rape is the women's fault?

Not that this is untrue but we can't forget that rape is a particularly shaming and traumatizing event. The victim may not want to come forward in cases where no bones were broken. The attacker is often one of the victims Family or friends, and then there are the cultural factors.
Not every noteworthy event is going to get reported to the cops, especially devastatingly embarrassing ones. This leaves you with surveys and estimates as the only means to get a picture of what's happening in the community.

This is a situation where you won't even get enough anecdotes to pretend you've got data. But we know enough to realize there's a big problem.
 
2013-01-11 04:46:43 AM

Hueg_Redd: Securitywyrm: But they're not allowed to carry guns in Britain, so violent and sexual crime shouldn't be an issue!

I'm on the fence - I might just agree with your viewpoint on the gun issue but please... There have been 50 threads a day devoted to that specific topic. Would you please keep your comments about guns in those threads?


Just to but in here, we have very, very few gun crimes in the UK.
They stab people instead.

/easier to tackle someone with a knife than a glock
 
2013-01-11 04:58:59 AM

farkeruk: Magic_Button: Yes , I once read a survey that they use to come to such shocking conclusions - I think it was in an article called debunking the campus rape myth .went along the lines of -- Q- Have you every regretted having sex with someone? , If yes then you were raped Q- Have you have had sex while intoxicated? - If yes then you were raped Q-- Have you ever not enjoyed sex but felt you had continue ? If yes then you were raped . Q- Have you ever not enjoyed sex , if yes then you were raped . Have you ever felt bad the next day after sex- then you were raped
The questions were so ambiguous and with out any context that anyone who has had sex would score as " has been raped"
The woman who had three beers and slept with some one is counted the same as the one who had her drink spiked and passed out .

There was a huge national campaign in the UK a few years ago about "watch your drink" because it was perceived that spiking was a problem (with Rohypnol).

A few years later, someone studied the tests of all the women who claimed that they must have had their drinks spiked. The result was that almost no-one had been slipped a roofie (literally a handful of women). The commonest link was that they'd all drank a lot (and knowingly so).

Scientists have even shown a link - women are far more sexually aggressive after booze. They are far more likely to sleep with a guy. The problem is that when they sober up, they think that they couldn't possibly have slept with the guy.

In the case of this survey, "sexual offenses" includes unwanted touching. Go on a date with a woman, perhaps have a dance, touch her ass, which isn't what she wanted, that's a "sexual offense". Most women would just brush that off as being forward, no big deal. But these survey people will ask a question like "has a man ever touched you sexually when you didn't want him to" and they've just raised their figure... hugely.

That's the game of these organisations. Funding depends on there being a problem. No ...


feminisim is about trying to portray women as victims so they they can get special resources and privileges allocated to them. heres an article that convincingly challenges the legitimacy of a famous rape survey.
 
2013-01-11 05:15:27 AM

Virtuoso80: Women said they were too embarrassed, the offense was 'too trivial' or they did not think officers 'could do much to help'.

Too trivial? That's a new one to me. I've always been taught rape was the most awful, worse-than-death thing you could do to a woman. If it's trivial, and never gets reported, are you telling me I passed on all those potential date-rape opportunities for no good reason? Darn.


Are you actually stupid, or deliberately being stupid? The article is about "sexual offences" of which rape is only one. Most sexual offences are simply not worth the time and effort to report.

I've been seriously (hands inside my clothes) groped on an overnight bus, I've had a guy sit across the road from me in broad daylight and masturbate after I declined to get in his car, and I've been flashed. I won't bother to count the random grabs and coarse lewd comments by sober men in public, or the pawings, gropings, slobberings, and wounded aggression of the drunk ones. And I'm not even particularly attractive.

These things were crimes, but who really wants to put in all those hours with the cops for something minor like that?

Yep, that's right, women are so used to being sexually accosted in unwanted ways all the time everywhere they go that they don't even bother reporting it to the police because it's just not shocking or unusual.

Must be nice to be a man and not know how it feels to be so persistently harassed.

/Oh who cares, the article is just an excuse for another patented Fark misogyny thread
 
2013-01-11 05:17:19 AM

Magic_Button: BarkingUnicorn: psychicdeath99:
....

Yes , I once read a survey that they use to come to such shocking conclusions - I think it was in an article called debunking the campus rape myth .went along the lines of -- Q- Have you every regretted having sex with someone? , If yes then you were raped Q- Have you have had sex while intoxicated? - If yes then you were raped Q-- Have you ever not enjoyed sex but felt you had continue ? If yes then you were raped . Q- Have you ever not enjoyed sex , if yes then you were raped . Have you ever felt bad the next day after sex- then you were raped
The questions were so ambiguous and with out any context that anyone who has had sex would score as " has been raped"
The woman who had three beers and slept with some one is counted the same as the one who had her drink spiked and passed out .
People sell you what they got -- They first thing that has been raped here is the statistics


Wow, I'd have never thought myself either a rapist nor a rape victim but if that's the benchmark then I'm both on multiple counts.

Sensationalist journalism at its worst, and the real victims are the women who have been raped or otherwise sexually abused and who knew there was no point reporting it because of what they'd heard in the media.
 
2013-01-11 05:20:32 AM

Wizard Drongo: easier to tackle someone with a knife than a glock


Easier maybe.
But the results aren't very pretty.
 
2013-01-11 05:25:24 AM
Article doesn't even mention the source of the figures but I'm wondering if it the British Crime Survey

The BCS number will be a lot higher than the Police Recorded Crime numbers.
 
2013-01-11 05:33:14 AM

way south: So your saying that the current gap in statistical rape is the women's fault?


Well, when they're raping a statistical, it has to be someone's fault. Won't somebody think of the statisticals?
 
2013-01-11 05:43:01 AM

if_i_really_have_to: Virtuoso80: Women said they were too embarrassed, the offense was 'too trivial' or they did not think officers 'could do much to help'.

Too trivial? That's a new one to me. I've always been taught rape was the most awful, worse-than-death thing you could do to a woman. If it's trivial, and never gets reported, are you telling me I passed on all those potential date-rape opportunities for no good reason? Darn.

Are you actually stupid, or deliberately being stupid? The article is about "sexual offences" of which rape is only one. Most sexual offences are simply not worth the time and effort to report.

I've been seriously (hands inside my clothes) groped on an overnight bus, I've had a guy sit across the road from me in broad daylight and masturbate after I declined to get in his car, and I've been flashed. I won't bother to count the random grabs and coarse lewd comments by sober men in public, or the pawings, gropings, slobberings, and wounded aggression of the drunk ones. And I'm not even particularly attractive.

These things were crimes, but who really wants to put in all those hours with the cops for something minor like that?

Yep, that's right, women are so used to being sexually accosted in unwanted ways all the time everywhere they go that they don't even bother reporting it to the police because it's just not shocking or unusual.

Must be nice to be a man and not know how it feels to be so persistently harassed.

/Oh who cares, the article is just an excuse for another patented Fark misogyny thread


Sorry to get pretty personal, but have you ever actually reported such an event? If not, how do you know its not worth it? Is it because media reports have lead you to this conclusion? If so, did you factor in the ludicrously sensationalist reporting about such issues?

My point is that it very well may have been worth reporting. It would be sad if you didn't because of some stupid sales-driven journalism.
 
2013-01-11 05:56:10 AM
encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com

Tis but a flesh wound!
 
2013-01-11 06:13:17 AM

GF named my left testicle thundercles: farkeruk: Magic_Button: Yes , I once read a survey that they use to come to such shocking conclusions - I think it was in an article called debunking the campus rape myth .went along the lines of -- Q- Have you every regretted having sex with someone? , If yes then you were raped Q- Have you have had sex while intoxicated? - If yes then you were raped Q-- Have you ever not enjoyed sex but felt you had continue ? If yes then you were raped . Q- Have you ever not enjoyed sex , if yes then you were raped . Have you ever felt bad the next day after sex- then you were raped
The questions were so ambiguous and with out any context that anyone who has had sex would score as " has been raped"
The woman who had three beers and slept with some one is counted the same as the one who had her drink spiked and passed out .

There was a huge national campaign in the UK a few years ago about "watch your drink" because it was perceived that spiking was a problem (with Rohypnol).

A few years later, someone studied the tests of all the women who claimed that they must have had their drinks spiked. The result was that almost no-one had been slipped a roofie (literally a handful of women). The commonest link was that they'd all drank a lot (and knowingly so).

Scientists have even shown a link - women are far more sexually aggressive after booze. They are far more likely to sleep with a guy. The problem is that when they sober up, they think that they couldn't possibly have slept with the guy.

In the case of this survey, "sexual offenses" includes unwanted touching. Go on a date with a woman, perhaps have a dance, touch her ass, which isn't what she wanted, that's a "sexual offense". Most women would just brush that off as being forward, no big deal. But these survey people will ask a question like "has a man ever touched you sexually when you didn't want him to" and they've just raised their figure... hugely.

That's the game of these organisations. Funding depends on there being a problem. No ...

feminisim is about trying to portray women as victims so they they can get special resources and privileges allocated to them. heres an article that convincingly challenges the legitimacy of a famous rape survey.


A while ago there was a Fark thread about the latest survey which claimed that 1in6 women were raped. I remember being called a rape apologist for making pretty much the same arguments about the quality of the survey sa were made in that article.

/Good times
 
2013-01-11 06:17:32 AM

butt-nuggets: DNRTFA but, I think the maths in subby's headline is wrong.


the article is a scare piece generated by a couple of charities in whose financial interest it is to overstate the number of sex crimes.
 
2013-01-11 06:27:58 AM

psychicdeath99: I am always curious about articles that claim xx% of offenses are not reported. How precisely do they arrive at these figures? Common sense would tell you that, of course, not all crimes are reported. But how do you determine that it is 90% not reported vs 25% or 5%? I can only assume that the percentage is simply pulling a number out of thin air.


By comparing the results of the British Crime Survey (in which you interview lots of people anonymously and ask if they have been victims of any crimes that year, and extrapolate an estimate for the entire population), and compare with official police figures for reported crime.
 
2013-01-11 07:01:44 AM
Oh goody, another rape thread. Let's all gather round and hear stories about the rampant problems of false-rape accusations, sperm-jackings and how those sluts were asking for it.

Here's an exercise for you gentlemen. Take 5 minutes, and honestly write down everything you do to avoid being raped.

Then go to 2 or 3 of your friends who are women, and get them to write down everything they do to avoid being raped.

Read that list. Process it.

Imagine living your life in fear of rape, tempering everything you do around avoidance of rape. A lifetime of programming that being raped is your fault, because you let yourself be taken advantage of. Living in a legal system that has a default assumption of your being a liar, with your voluntary sexual history being fair-game in the media and courts.

Don't go into your Mens Right's Activist approved stats showing that this one girl one time did something, step back and look at the forest. A forest full of women who have been taught that being raped is something they have to avoid.
 
2013-01-11 07:06:13 AM

BarkingUnicorn: psychicdeath99: I am always curious about articles that claim xx% of offenses are not reported. How precisely do they arrive at these figures? Common sense would tell you that, of course, not all crimes are reported. But how do you determine that it is 90% not reported vs 25% or 5%? I can only assume that the percentage is simply pulling a number out of thin air.

Surveys conducted by government or nonprofit agencies that have a vested interest in shocking results.


In the real world, those numbers are generated by peer-reviewed academic research that uses methods that have been independently verified. In your head, they're part of the vast and powerful feminist conspiracy that has resulted in... um... women still being paid less, being taken less seriously, having fewer career options, being harassed constantly, and still being routinely denied justice when raped. What a vast, powerful and far-reaching conspiracy indeed.
 
2013-01-11 07:13:29 AM

Bored Horde: Don't go into your Mens Right's Activist approved stats showing that this one girl one time did something, step back and look at the forest. A forest full of women who have been taught that being raped is something they have to avoid.


A forest full of women!? So that's where they've been hiding! No wonder they like Axe body spray!
 
2013-01-11 07:22:38 AM
If they're saying that 10% of reported incidents lead to a conviction, why do they assume that means that 90% "got away with it"? Wouldn't at least some of those be innocent?
 
2013-01-11 07:23:07 AM

if_i_really_have_to: I won't bother to count the random grabs and coarse lewd comments by sober men in public, or the pawings, gropings, slobberings, and wounded aggression of the drunk ones. And I'm not even particularly attractive.


We'll be the judge of that.
Jokes aside, after I finally got a girlfriend I was amazed to hear about the comments men will yell at her in the streets when she's alone. No matter how unflattering her clothes, they'd say things I would feel way too embarrassed to ever say to an actual person, if only because of the triteness. I'm not sure about any actual groping, though.

Must be nice to be a man and not know how it feels to be so persistently harassed.

For years I had truly no idea.
 
2013-01-11 07:23:21 AM

Bored Horde: Here's an exercise for you gentlemen. Take 5 minutes, and honestly write down everything you do to avoid being raped.

Then go to 2 or 3 of your friends who are women, and get them to write down everything they do to avoid being raped.


The things I do to avoid being mugged are, almost without exception, precisely the same as the things my female friends do to avoid being raped.
 
2013-01-11 07:28:35 AM

doglover: If the police record 53,700 incidents, and convictions are made in 5620 that's a 10.4% conviction rate, or more than ten times what the article claims it is.

Maybe instead of railing against the police, you should be angry at the alleged 350,000 people who didn't report their alleged sexual assault. The police aren't psychic. They can't do anything if you don't file a report.

If you are the victim of any crime, report it immediately or deal with it. You're under no obligation to utilize the legal system if you feel victimized but if you don't report the crime, you can't turn around and criticize the police for not doing anything. Even the biggest manhunts need a spark to start them. Your report is that spark.


I was told there would be no rape math.
 
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