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(KPTV Portland)   Two men go walking in Portland, OR with loaded assault rifles strapped to their backs to "educate" general public. Hilarity ensues   (kptv.com) divider line 1215
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2013-01-10 10:22:28 PM
demaL-demaL-yeH:

There a a few of us, so there may be hope. My hat to you, sir.
 
2013-01-10 10:22:30 PM
Man, assault weapons are over.
Here man, free, enjoy it, 'cause they're over. OVER!
 
2013-01-10 10:22:40 PM
I can't imagine what this country's highway system would look like if we indulged everyone with an irrational fear of bridges.
 
2013-01-10 10:23:58 PM
Hey, "educate" people all you want, but some of us just aren't comfortable being around devices designed for the sole purpose of injuring/killing living things, and can do that in less than a second.
 
2013-01-10 10:24:00 PM
"I was a paid internet shill: For a little over six months, I was paid to spread disinformation and argue political points on the Internet"
/Guns are bad.
 
2013-01-10 10:24:22 PM

AdmirableSnackbar: Dimensio: AdmirableSnackbar: Dimensio: AdmirableSnackbar: pedrop357: Silly Jesus: Libs are extremely scared of inanimate objects. Kinds sad, actually.

When everything is emotions and feelings, it's not surprising. A more logical person would do a quickie analysis and just move on.

I'm not afraid of guns. I'm afraid of the mentally unstable, irresponsible idiots like the ones in TFA owning them.

The subjects of the article were irresponsible, but no data yet justifies a claim of mental instability.

The concept of walking around with your buddy armed in such a way in an area other than an active war zone does not occur - or does not appear reasonable - to anyone who is mentally stable. Mostly because it's completely irresponsible.

Mental instability is substantially more narrowly defined than being of a propensity to engage in irresponsible behaviour. I would consider any parent who chose to use homeopathic remedies, eschewing actual medicine, upon their children to be irresponsible but I would not consider such a choice to be indicative of mental instability. Similarly, I believe that the actions of the two individuals mentioned in the article to be irresponsible, but without further data I cannot reasonably conclude them to be mentally unstable.

Walking around in a public area with a weapon similar to (or exactly the same as) one used in multiple recent mass shootings in public areas - and with apparel that could be used to conceal one's identity - is absolutely a warning sign of instability. Going into town like that there are quite a lot of bad things that could happen as a result and very, very few good things. Nobody who is mentally stable would intentionally create that kind of a situation.


Pistols are used to murder more people in Chicago every month than there were in the mass shootings. Those are just blah people though, so nobody cares etc. Anyway, would your opinion extend to me open carrying a pistol? Because they kill a hell of a lot more people yearly than the big bad scary rifle.
 
2013-01-10 10:24:38 PM

davidphogan: willfullyobscure: Demonrats: willfullyobscure: If I had a CCW and a weapon, and I saw this, i would draw, order them them to freeze and call the cops, and I would hold them at gunpoint and shoot to kill if they didn't comply. And, I'd get away scot free, and the cops would send me a Christmas card.

You also may be sued for unlawful use of a firearm by threatening them. How could you feel threatened by two guys walking around with neither hand on their guns, acting non-agressively, and obeying all laws. If they drew on you that is one thing, but when in Rome...

They look like farking Klebold and Harris, that's why. One of them is dressed like a farking haji on the warpath for farks sake. People are getting shot to death going to the mall and watching a movie, for farks sake, by damaged units THAT LOOK EXACTLY LIKE THESE GUYS. If I see a black dude with his pants around his asshole and a bandanna over his face I'm gonna go ahead and assume that motherfarker isn't up to any good either, do you have a problem with that?

I wouldn't even need a lawyer, I'd show the judge a cell phone pic and he'd have them committed and give me a gift card to Applebees.

If you actually believe that enjoy your time in prison.


Nice to know you don't have any kind of coherent rebuttal to my point. Seems like I'm on to something.
 
2013-01-10 10:25:41 PM

Silly Jesus: I_C_Weener: Silly Jesus: I_C_Weener: SlothB77: [kptv.images.worldnow.com image 645x362]

if that was walking down the street, i'd be a little freaked out too.

Agreed.  I'm all pro 2d Amendment but if you see someone walking around like that, you think school shooting, armed robbery...not...harmless stroll for a donut.

Sounds like a personal problem to me...

Or should we make a law so that you don't have to think?

Well, I don't think it means you have to get aggressive and up in my face about a post. Sowwy.  I'm not comfortable around guns. Learn about them. Go to a range. Hold one. They really aren't scary.  I find people who carry them as a matter of course to be strange. And I the opposite.  I don't think it should be outlawed, but yes, I'd inquire with the cops as to what the hell was going on.  And I'd be very happy if they checked these gentlemen out to make sure they were just attention whoring and not something worse.The cops can't really just go up and check people out who aren't doing anything wrong. The could have just kept walking if they wanted to.

You don't have to like it.  But it isn't normal to walk around with a rifle slung over you back just because you can.  I'd be weirded out if you had a claymore on your back and were just trying to "educate" the masses by walking down Sunnyside street. Legal vs. illegal.

To claim this isn't weird and intended to shock and get the response they got is being disingenuous.

"Weird" only in the sense that it's rare. They could have also just been ignorant as to how much pearl clutching would occur. Maybe they naively thought that people would be open minded and talk to them about the inanimate objects on their back and all but inaccessible to them for nefarious purposes.


www.jplegacy.org

You people were so focused on whether you could legally carry out in the open in an attention whore manner you never thought to ask, "should you legally carry out in the open in such an attention whore manner."
 
2013-01-10 10:25:55 PM

BlippityBleep: what is mentally unstable or irresponsible about the guys in the article?


I have no information about their mental states but they were prima facie irresponsible for not considering how their actions would be misconstrued. If you're intending to communicate a message, you take precautions to limit possible misunderstandings. If one (perhaps) other person was wearing a placard saying "Ask Me About Your 2nd Amendment Rights" alongside the open carry its far more likely their message would have been more effective or at least not have backfired. If you watched the news story clearly they were criticized by other gun owners for being so irresponsible.
 
2013-01-10 10:26:20 PM

willfullyobscure: I hope your mother is front row and center for the next public Klebolding


Wow someone has a case of the violent fantasies...and it unsuprisingly comes from a rabid anti RKBAer.
 
2013-01-10 10:26:26 PM

Aigoo: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Two more farking idiots that make actual responsible gun owners look like lunatics heard from.

FTFY.

The guy who called these morons attention whores had it right.


Here's the problem:

You may know hundreds or even thousands of responsible gun owners but every time we see, "But you'd be punishing millions of responsible gun owners" the source for that figure includes these two.

And James Holmes and Nancy Lanza, before they got famous.
 
2013-01-10 10:26:35 PM

Facetious_Speciest: Wayne 985

I don't know if it's the same dude, but I've seen a video like that before. Guy was wearing a handgun openly and a cop stopped and politely asked him about it. The officer couldn't have been more calm and courteous, but the idiot provocateur was borderline hysterical about his rights being violated and refused even to provide his name.

We've probably seen the same video. I get the impression that some of these people do this shiat a lot, and the cops have been briefed on how to handle it. I'm usually the typical Fark cop-hater, but respect where respect is due...the cops handle a lot of these taped situations like farking PR pros. Completely courteous, polite and reasonable.


Good point. You'd think the film makers would learn from that in some capacity. I'm always astonished at their failing to understand just how nutty they're making themselves look.
 
2013-01-10 10:26:42 PM

crabsno termites: Silly Jesus:

BraveNewCheneyWorld:

Editorial: So much anger/ignorance/intolerance on both sides. How stupid we all are.

Thank you for making my point.


Examples please.
 
2013-01-10 10:26:53 PM

calbert: Haliburton Cummings: [i.imgur.com image 480x372]
gun nuts with sprinkles on top

I will never get tired of seeing that guy on the internet.
[acecomputers-tn.com image 800x600]


Jeeze, that's the same guy!
 
2013-01-10 10:28:12 PM

serial_crusher: The men told officers they were hoping to educate the public about gun rights.
...
Officers said carrying firearms openly is legal

Sounds like the public needed a little education in that department.


And the men of the law as well. FTA:
The Portland Police Bureau, however, asks anyone who sees someone armed with guns to immediately call 911.
 
2013-01-10 10:28:14 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: This is LEGAL in their state. It's amazing how many of you claim they're unbalanced for exercising a legal right. How brainwashed are you people?


What they did was the 2nd Amendment equivalent of writing "Free Candy" on a van and driving it through a school district to teach kids about abductions.
 
2013-01-10 10:28:18 PM

willfullyobscure: Silly Jesus: lordjupiter: MORONS!

And how are people supposed to know they're not crazy? Aren't these the same kind of people that blame bad early warning and early response systems for public shootings? Yet they see nothing wrong with this? What's the proper response, in their eyes, to a situation like this? Apparently it's walk up and talk to a gun-toting stranger to find out if they're dangerous! Seriously??? I guess the test of when concealed carriers can start shooting people with guns in public is either to walk up and make yourself a target, or wait until they kill someone first. How farking stupid can you get?!

What about open carry of any other gun? As in a holster? Or are you just clutching your pearls because these particular inanimate objects are big and scary looking?

They fit the EXACT stereotype of every spree shooter in the last few months. These two dickheads LOOK EXACTLY LIKE THE KILLERS. God it makes me sick to have to type that out. We're at a point where young white men are killing people by the scores and dozens every fiscal quarter and somehow, some way, on God's green earth, you can pretend nothing's gone wrong? I hope your mother is front row and center for the next public Klebolding.


Lol 8/10
 
2013-01-10 10:28:22 PM

Giltric: willfullyobscure: I hope your mother is front row and center for the next public Klebolding

Wow someone has a case of the violent fantasies...and it unsuprisingly comes from a rabid anti RKBAer.


What does RKBA stand for?
 
2013-01-10 10:29:10 PM

Silly Jesus: crabsno termites: Silly Jesus:

BraveNewCheneyWorld:

Editorial: So much anger/ignorance/intolerance on both sides. How stupid we all are.

Thank you for making my point.

Examples please.


Re-read the posts I cited, think (if you can), respond.
 
2013-01-10 10:29:13 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Hey, "educate" people all you want, but some of us just aren't comfortable being around devices designed for the sole purpose of injuring/killing living things, and can do that in less than a second.


Bless your heart.
 
2013-01-10 10:29:18 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: Dimensio: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Not to mention that somewhere, somebody is dialing 911 with an actual emergency, and their help is being delayed because these two jackwagons want to walk around carrying AR-15's and wagging their dicks around.

A local police officer informed me that he prefers citizens to carry concealed for the specific reason that legally openly carried firearms may cause observers unfamiliar with the law to contact and thus waste the resources of emergency services. That explanation prompted me to obtain a holster that more effectively conceals my firearm when cycling, as until then I had worn a holster that was frequently exposed, inadvertently, when I cycled.

I own guns and also ride my bike, but I've never felt the need to pack heat while cycling.

But then again, I've got a real penis. YMMV.


Gun owner and good penis reporting in here;
I used to bike commute, I got 'bumped' by cars 3-4 times, hit twice with ruined bikes and ambulance for me, coffee thrown at me twice, ... I thought of carrying a few times, won't and don't though.

why are people mad at me? When traffic is locked up and a bike just rolls by it is too much for people to take. They snap and do crazy stuff.

mini CSB- caught one guy at a light who 'assaulted' me with his seemingly full cup of coffee, I did a track stand right next to his window and stared at him. LOL he never looked over.
 
2013-01-10 10:29:39 PM

jayhawk88: Look, I don't care how much you "educate" me about guns, if I see you walking down the street with an assault rifle strapped to your back, I'm going to call the mothefarking cops. Why? BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY DAMN BUSINESS WALKING DOWN THE STREET WITH AN ASSAULT RIFLE STRAPPED TO YOUR BACK! If you think you need protection, conceal and carry, it's not something I would ever do but if you feel that way, OK. But this isn't farking Beirut circa 1982, all right? It is not that farking bad out there people. It's just not.


I remember as a kid carrying my back-slung rifle down a residential street, in plain view of everyone. why? I was going to a friend's, whose dad was taking us up to Carbon Canyon for some plinking. I was too young to drive, my dad was at work, and my mom was OK with me walking (it was only 6 blocks). No one said didilly squat.

BTW, I'm a little unclear about what an "assault rifle" is. Is it an automatic fire weapon (i.e.: a machine gun)? If so, I'm confused. It's illegal to own those unless you are registered with the BATF and pay a fairly hefty license fee. Or is an assault rifle a semi-automatic rifle, but one that, stylistically, looks scary? From the picture ITFA it appears that they are carrying scary looking weapons, so I guess they ARE "assault rifles."
 
2013-01-10 10:30:00 PM

crabsno termites: Editorial: So much anger/ignorance/intolerance on both sides. How stupid we all are.

Thank you for making my point.


BraveNewCheneyWorld: crabsno termites: I usually snark on this site, but not this time.

Well, at least we know you don't support the second amendment, and your opinions aren't derived from facts. I believe there have only been 2 illegal killings with full auto weapons since the 30's, and the 5 round capacity limit assumes the 2nd amendment is solely for hunting, which it is not.


Please point out the anger, I don't see it.

Ignorance? I pointed out that you stated that nobody should have full auto even though only 2 people in the past 80 years abused that type of weapon. Is 2 in 80 years really too much? I don't think that it can be argued that this justifies stripping that right from the remaining 300,000,000 Americans.
I also pointed out that the 2nd amendment wasn't written to protect one's ability to hunt, it is for combat. If you believe these statements are born of ignorance, please elaborate.

Intolerance? Disagreement isn't intolerance. I support all amendments, including the first, so say what you will, but don't expect me to remain silent when you do.
 
2013-01-10 10:30:00 PM

Silly Jesus: willfullyobscure: Silly Jesus: lordjupiter: MORONS!

And how are people supposed to know they're not crazy? Aren't these the same kind of people that blame bad early warning and early response systems for public shootings? Yet they see nothing wrong with this? What's the proper response, in their eyes, to a situation like this? Apparently it's walk up and talk to a gun-toting stranger to find out if they're dangerous! Seriously??? I guess the test of when concealed carriers can start shooting people with guns in public is either to walk up and make yourself a target, or wait until they kill someone first. How farking stupid can you get?!

What about open carry of any other gun? As in a holster? Or are you just clutching your pearls because these particular inanimate objects are big and scary looking?

They fit the EXACT stereotype of every spree shooter in the last few months. These two dickheads LOOK EXACTLY LIKE THE KILLERS. God it makes me sick to have to type that out. We're at a point where young white men are killing people by the scores and dozens every fiscal quarter and somehow, some way, on God's green earth, you can pretend nothing's gone wrong? I hope your mother is front row and center for the next public Klebolding.

Lol 8/10


Thanks man I appreciate the high score, defo helps my averages over the season. something something WILD PIGS
 
2013-01-10 10:30:12 PM

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Awesome!
 
2013-01-10 10:30:35 PM

willfullyobscure: Giltric: willfullyobscure: I hope your mother is front row and center for the next public Klebolding

Wow someone has a case of the violent fantasies...and it unsuprisingly comes from a rabid anti RKBAer.

What does RKBA stand for?


How do you keep an asshole in suspense?
 
2013-01-10 10:30:41 PM
I forget what case it was but SCOTUS has ruled that the presence of a firearm alone is not cause to stop someone. That department is asking for a lawsuit.
 
2013-01-10 10:30:57 PM

willfullyobscure: but seriously these shiatheads need an ass kicking something fierce. I can't think of a more antisocial, dickheaded, and nasty thing to do these days.


Posting stupid comments on Fark from an obvious alt account?
 
2013-01-10 10:31:00 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Hey, "educate" people all you want, but some of us just aren't comfortable being around devices designed for the sole purpose of injuring/killing living things, and can do that in less than a second.


I hope you get some help with that.
 
2013-01-10 10:31:28 PM

davidphogan: trappedspirit: "Exercising my rights with a rifle to try to decrease the demonizing of peacefully exercising your rights in public," one of the men told Fox 12. He said his name is Warren, but did not want to provide a last name.

Yeah, spot on with that attention whore call. Good jorb.

His last name has been all over the local media. He apparently does this all the time in Medford, but this time decided to troll in the big city.

Portland police identified the men as Warren Drouin and Steven Boyce.


Well someone isn't reluctant to disclose their info.
 
2013-01-10 10:31:42 PM

meat0918: A gun shop owner I've dealt with in the past (he's an ass, so I don't shop there any longer), said you're an idiot if you open carry. You're just making yourself a target for a criminal that might want your gun or otherwise knows to take you out first.


He's right.
 
2013-01-10 10:32:06 PM

Haliburton Cummings: Dimensio: Haliburton Cummings: Dimensio: Haliburton Cummings: Dimensio:
whargble from a guntad

just winding you up so you get all frustrated, make an asshat of yourself and go shoot yourself out of frustration really.

you are already getting eaten alive in this thread so..

look, as a peace offering, you tell me where you buy sex and i'll mail them a cheque ok? OR i'll renew your subscription to Guns And Power for the next year...

in the meantime, go polish your porn ok?

ok bai professor.


Smugness. Ignorance. Cowardice.

Despite your efforts, these are not virtues.
 
2013-01-10 10:32:19 PM
Why is it that wimps will wet their panties over the sight of a firearm?

I carry a Glock on me at all times. Why? I feel the need and have the freedom to do so. My children are raised around and are allowed to interact with my firearms? Why? They might need to defend themselves or someone else, you never know.
 
2013-01-10 10:32:22 PM

crabsno termites: Silly Jesus: crabsno termites: Silly Jesus:

BraveNewCheneyWorld:

Editorial: So much anger/ignorance/intolerance on both sides. How stupid we all are.

Thank you for making my point.

Examples please.

Re-read the posts I cited, think (if you can), respond.


OK. I recapped an incident that occurred. I'm not seeing the anger/ignorance/intolerance.
 
2013-01-10 10:32:47 PM

MrEricSir: There's nothing the general public likes more than insensitive self-righteous pricks who think they know everything.


So THAT'S why Fark is so popular!
 
2013-01-10 10:33:01 PM

whatshisname: BraveNewCheneyWorld: This is LEGAL in their state. It's amazing how many of you claim they're unbalanced for exercising a legal right. How brainwashed are you people?

What they did was the 2nd Amendment equivalent of writing "Free Candy" on a van and driving it through a school district to teach kids about abductions.


But do you think what they did would be anywhere as effective as talking to kids dumb enough to jump in the free candy van? I think that would be some good training.
 
2013-01-10 10:33:13 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: It's amazing how many of you claim they're unbalanced for exercising a legal right.


I have the legal right to stand around on packed street corners and loudly proclaim the end of the world through UFO invasions starring Radioactive Apes, the Illuminati and the Trilaterial Commission too. That doesn't mean passersby won't reasonably think there might be something wrong with me. I don't know anything about their mental state, but your contention here isn't going to cut it.
 
2013-01-10 10:33:37 PM
Lol, combat vets advocating 5 round mags? I actually earned a combat patch and when I heard the guy at Clackamas had his rifle jam I waited for it - he had a 30 round mag. 30 rounders suck in the field. They don't fit in your belt well and tend to jam things up even if you tamp them. I believe one of the reasons more people weren't killed at the mall was because of that 30 round mag and the young guy with the CCW that showed the shooter his pistol just before the guy off'ed himself. Maybe we should outlaw mags with less than 30 rounds.
 
2013-01-10 10:34:02 PM

KarmicDisaster: calbert: Haliburton Cummings: [i.imgur.com image 480x372]
gun nuts with sprinkles on top

I will never get tired of seeing that guy on the internet.
[acecomputers-tn.com image 800x600]

Jeeze, that's the same guy!


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sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net

ak0.okccdn.com

this guy is awesome
 
2013-01-10 10:34:11 PM

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I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought that.
 
2013-01-10 10:34:17 PM

whatshisname: BraveNewCheneyWorld: This is LEGAL in their state. It's amazing how many of you claim they're unbalanced for exercising a legal right. How brainwashed are you people?

What they did was the 2nd Amendment equivalent of writing "Free Candy" on a van and driving it through a school district to teach kids about abductions.


No, it wasn't. You're only saying that because they did it specifically to make a point. Who cares why they did it, it's still legal despite your disagreement with their motivations.
 
2013-01-10 10:34:36 PM

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+++++++++++++++++++1
 
2013-01-10 10:34:42 PM

I_C_Weener: Giltric: I_C_Weener: This is why I drive a bulldozer. Nobody screws with a man driving a CAT

They do when you under bid them and get the job.

been there, done that,

had a union moron who was tryng to sabotage my excavators at gunpoint till the cops showed up.

Psst!  I was joking.  I don't drive a bulldozer as my personal vehicle...or otherwise.  That would be crazy.  It'd take all day to get across town...even if I took a direct route through houses.


Watch out for basements
 
2013-01-10 10:34:49 PM

wildlifer: Why is it that wimps will wet their panties over the sight of a firearm?

I carry a Glock on me at all times. Why? I feel the need and have the freedom to do so. My children are raised around and are allowed to interact with my firearms? Why? They might need to defend themselves or someone else, you never know.


Thank you, Nancy.
 
2013-01-10 10:35:14 PM

Ficoce: 30 rounders suck in the field


Steel/aluminum stamped mags?
 
2013-01-10 10:36:15 PM

Vector R: And the men of the law as well. FTA:
The Portland Police Bureau, however, asks anyone who sees someone armed with guns to immediately call 911.



No. These two didn't need to be educated on the law - what they did was legal. They need to be educated on being dumbass attention whores who are not helping. That's totally different.
 
2013-01-10 10:36:18 PM

Silly Jesus: Pistols are used to murder more people in Chicago every month than there were in the mass shootings. Those are just blah people though, so nobody cares etc


I love it when conservatives remind us of their long history of concern for minorities.
 
2013-01-10 10:36:39 PM

calbert: KarmicDisaster: calbert: Haliburton Cummings: [i.imgur.com image 480x372]
gun nuts with sprinkles on top

I will never get tired of seeing that guy on the internet.
[acecomputers-tn.com image 800x600]

Jeeze, that's the same guy!

[sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 541x720]

[sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 540x720]

[ak0.okccdn.com image 317x640]

this guy is awesome


You owe me a keyboard and half a can of diet mt dew. Is that some kind of Klingon battle garb? And he has all his ammo stacked right there by the computer, because... well you can't be too careful.
 
2013-01-10 10:37:12 PM

Haliburton Cummings: Dimensio: Haliburton Cummings: Facetious_Speciest: It's highly unlikely they were carrying assault rifles.

That said, "look at me, I'm an attention whore!" seems about right.

no those aren't assault rifles at all.

rtfa nozzle. pay attention to the picturez

Nothing within the article text mentioned confirmation of select-fire capability of either firearm.

fta:


GUNS IN PUBLIC
Two men carrying assault rifles on their backs said they were simply exercising their Second Amendment right, but police said they scared plenty of people.

now shush


Because know-nothing reporters ll know the difference between automatic fire-capable rifles (HIGHLY regulated) and standard, ordinary semi-automatic rifles. Scary-looking = Assault Rifle.
 
2013-01-10 10:37:23 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Well, you have two votes here against your interpretation from people who stuck their right paws up in the air and swore an oath and put their own lives on the line for the Constitution.

Have you been drilling with the village Militia?


Who gives a flying fark if you've been in the military? Does that mean your opinion is more valid or something?
 
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