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(KPTV Portland)   Two men go walking in Portland, OR with loaded assault rifles strapped to their backs to "educate" general public. Hilarity ensues   (kptv.com) divider line 1215
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2013-01-10 09:48:17 PM

Dimensio: How would I load a .223 Remington caliber round into an AR-7?


Yes, the round is a different size.
But by "functionally", I meant 1 trigger pull, 1 bullet. Be it a .22 or .223. Or .45 or 9mm.
1 pull, 1 bullet, not matter how tacticool it looks.

/the two images in my original post are both AR-7 variants
 
2013-01-10 09:48:49 PM

pedrop357: Silly Jesus: Libs are extremely scared of inanimate objects. Kinds sad, actually.

When everything is emotions and feelings, it's not surprising. A more logical person would do a quickie analysis and just move on.


Which candidate had the magical detail-free plan in last year's election?

Whoops. Another flaw!
 
2013-01-10 09:49:29 PM
Mazzic518

Wow. That's...pretty absurdly terrible, actually. "Obnoxious attitude towards law enforcement" shouldn't be a punishable offense in any civilised land...
 
2013-01-10 09:49:55 PM

serial_crusher: The men told officers they were hoping to educate the public about gun rights.
...
Officers said carrying firearms openly is legal

Sounds like the public needed a little education in that department.

FTA
"The Portland Police Bureau, however, asks anyone who sees someone armed with guns to immediately call 911."

No, they did exactly as they were asked to do. These "educators" just wasted lots of peoples time.
 
2013-01-10 09:50:24 PM

Dimensio: whither_apophis: Dimensio: whither_apophis: Dimensio: KarmicDisaster: I wonder what the law would say if a CCW who felt threatened opened fire on them. Most of the laws are written very vaguely now, it you feel threatened, open fire! You know, there are a lot of things that you can do, like having sex, that aren't really appropriate in public.

I am aware of no law allowing the use of deadly force in public without a "reasonable" established fear of imminent grievous bodily injury -- including death -- kidnapping, sexual assault or arson. If the individuals were not actively threatening others -- and the legal, even if anti-social, act of carrying rifles as they did would not establish such "reasonable" belief -- then the use of deadly force would not be justified under any existing statute.

Do you skip all the "Florida" tagged links?

I do not believe that your question is related to my statement.

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/03/20/deaths-nearly-triple-since-stand - your-ground-enacted/

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statut e &Search_String&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.013.html

Paragraph 3 basically gives the last guy standing all he needs, especially if there's no other witnesses.

The statute that you have referenced explicitly relates to a "reasonable fear of great death or bodily harm", which would be consistent with my original statement. Are you stating that an individual who is attacked in public should not be presumed to have reasonable belief of imminent death or bodily injury?


No. My point is that if there's only one person alive, without any other witnesses, we need to take his (or her) word for it. That's a bold thing to ask when there's a body lying on the ground.
 
2013-01-10 09:50:30 PM
good for them.

/+eleventy thousand irl troll points for these guys
 
2013-01-10 09:50:56 PM
Once a guy I knew was walking through our little town with his rifle over his shoulder. I don't remember why--if he'd been out in the woods, or if he was just moving it somewhere, but since he was a big, hairy kind of scary-looking guy, several people called the police.

So the cops came and told him that they were getting calls and maybe he should take the gun home. He rared back and he told them---no, actually since he wasn't a douchebag, he laughed about it and took the gun home. He was surprised that anyone thought that was worth calling the cops over.
 
2013-01-10 09:51:25 PM
Openly carrying a gun doesn't do anything except say to the public "Hey look! I'm an asshole! With a gun! And an attention whore!" It's also guaranteed a rampage shooter will shoot you first. Have fun with that.
 
2013-01-10 09:51:33 PM

Facetious_Speciest: Mazzic518

Wow. That's...pretty absurdly terrible, actually. "Obnoxious attitude towards law enforcement" shouldn't be a punishable offense in any civilised land...


That is just one of the reasons they would not let me out early.
 
2013-01-10 09:51:49 PM

whither_apophis: Dimensio: whither_apophis: Dimensio: whither_apophis: Dimensio: KarmicDisaster: I wonder what the law would say if a CCW who felt threatened opened fire on them. Most of the laws are written very vaguely now, it you feel threatened, open fire! You know, there are a lot of things that you can do, like having sex, that aren't really appropriate in public.

I am aware of no law allowing the use of deadly force in public without a "reasonable" established fear of imminent grievous bodily injury -- including death -- kidnapping, sexual assault or arson. If the individuals were not actively threatening others -- and the legal, even if anti-social, act of carrying rifles as they did would not establish such "reasonable" belief -- then the use of deadly force would not be justified under any existing statute.

Do you skip all the "Florida" tagged links?

I do not believe that your question is related to my statement.

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/03/20/deaths-nearly-triple-since-stand - your-ground-enacted/

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statut e &Search_String&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.013.html

Paragraph 3 basically gives the last guy standing all he needs, especially if there's no other witnesses.

The statute that you have referenced explicitly relates to a "reasonable fear of great death or bodily harm", which would be consistent with my original statement. Are you stating that an individual who is attacked in public should not be presumed to have reasonable belief of imminent death or bodily injury?

No. My point is that if there's only one person alive, without any other witnesses, we need to take his (or her) word for it. That's a bold thing to ask when there's a body lying on the ground.


I would advocate investigation of any such circumstance, to verify that the claims of the user of deadly force are supported by data, rather than merely "take the word" of the user of force.
 
2013-01-10 09:52:46 PM
I would be more alarmed about a single person brandishing a rifle than a pair.
 
2013-01-10 09:52:56 PM

pedrop357: Silly Jesus: Libs are extremely scared of inanimate objects. Kinds sad, actually.

When everything is emotions and feelings, it's not surprising. A more logical person would do a quickie analysis and just move on.


I'm not afraid of guns. I'm afraid of the mentally unstable, irresponsible idiots like the ones in TFA owning them.
 
2013-01-10 09:53:58 PM
"Exercising my rights with a rifle to try to decrease the demonizing of peacefully exercising your rights in public," one of the men told Fox 12. He said his name is Warren, but did not want to provide a last name.

Yeah, spot on with that attention whore call. Good jorb.
 
2013-01-10 09:54:35 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-10 09:54:46 PM

AdmirableSnackbar: pedrop357: Silly Jesus: Libs are extremely scared of inanimate objects. Kinds sad, actually.

When everything is emotions and feelings, it's not surprising. A more logical person would do a quickie analysis and just move on.

I'm not afraid of guns. I'm afraid of the mentally unstable, irresponsible idiots like the ones in TFA owning them.


The subjects of the article were irresponsible, but no data yet justifies a claim of mental instability.
 
2013-01-10 09:54:55 PM
If I had a CCW and a weapon, and I saw this, i would draw, order them them to freeze and call the cops, and I would hold them at gunpoint and shoot to kill if they didn't comply. And, I'd get away scot free, and the cops would send me a Christmas card.
 
2013-01-10 09:55:01 PM

whither_apophis: And if a concerned citizen took them out with a .243 from 250 yards everyone would be cool with that right?


He would certainly approve.
 
2013-01-10 09:55:10 PM

AdmirableSnackbar: I'm not afraid of guns. I'm afraid of the mentally unstable, irresponsible idiots like the ones in TFA owning them.


hmm... what is mentally unstable or irresponsible about the guys in the article? oh hellz ya they ruffled feathers, but they don't match either of your claims.
 
2013-01-10 09:55:30 PM

Dimensio: whither_apophis: Dimensio: whither_apophis: Dimensio: whither_apophis: Dimensio: KarmicDisaster: I wonder what the law would say if a CCW who felt threatened opened fire on them. Most of the laws are written very vaguely now, it you feel threatened, open fire! You know, there are a lot of things that you can do, like having sex, that aren't really appropriate in public.

I am aware of no law allowing the use of deadly force in public without a "reasonable" established fear of imminent grievous bodily injury -- including death -- kidnapping, sexual assault or arson. If the individuals were not actively threatening others -- and the legal, even if anti-social, act of carrying rifles as they did would not establish such "reasonable" belief -- then the use of deadly force would not be justified under any existing statute.

Do you skip all the "Florida" tagged links?

I do not believe that your question is related to my statement.

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/03/20/deaths-nearly-triple-since-stand - your-ground-enacted/

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statut e &Search_String&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.013.html

Paragraph 3 basically gives the last guy standing all he needs, especially if there's no other witnesses.

The statute that you have referenced explicitly relates to a "reasonable fear of great death or bodily harm", which would be consistent with my original statement. Are you stating that an individual who is attacked in public should not be presumed to have reasonable belief of imminent death or bodily injury?

No. My point is that if there's only one person alive, without any other witnesses, we need to take his (or her) word for it. That's a bold thing to ask when there's a body lying on the ground.

I would advocate investigation of any such circumstance, to verify that the claims of the user of deadly force are supported by data, rather than merely "take the word" of the user of force.


Well you'd do more due diligence than cops in Florida, which brings me back to my first question. Do you skip Florida tags?
 
2013-01-10 09:55:58 PM

pedrop357: Silly Jesus: Libs are extremely scared of inanimate objects. Kinds sad, actually.

When everything is emotions and feelings, it's not surprising. A more logical person would do a quickie analysis and just move on.


Or wonder why, in this current political climate, that two people would walk around with those out and slung incorrectly. It smacks of stupidity and attention-getting behavior. They could have been shot by someone else unaware of their intentions. The way they had them slung means getting the drop on them would not have been hard.

Also, not everyone with a left wing political view is a panty-waisted coward in the presence of firearms. The two geniuses in TFA were asking for trouble.
 
2013-01-10 09:56:03 PM
All well and good, but were they zionist assault rifles?
 
2013-01-10 09:56:56 PM

whither_apophis: Well you'd do more due diligence than cops in Florida, which brings me back to my first question. Do you skip Florida tags?


I do not intentionally overlook all headlines tagged with the "Florida" tag, but I also do not read all discussions on Fark.

A failure of police to adequately investigate a use of deadly force is not equivalent to a deadly force statute authorizing deadly force in public for reasons other than a reasonable belief of imminent death or bodily injury.
 
2013-01-10 09:57:10 PM
Between the "concerned citizens" from this article and about 75% of people posting in this thread, there sure are a lot of people with irrational phobias.
 
2013-01-10 09:57:16 PM

SlothB77: [kptv.images.worldnow.com image 645x362]

if that was walking down the street, i'd be a little freaked out too.


Agreed.  I'm all pro 2d Amendment but if you see someone walking around like that, you think school shooting, armed robbery...not...harmless stroll for a donut.
 
2013-01-10 09:57:51 PM

star_topology: Mark Portland off the list of places I'd like to relocate to...

Then again, I'm in Texas so maybe not


When you get to see hundreds of people riding their bikes on the streets of Portland, naked, you might change your mind. Portland probably gives a lot of out of state people culture shock - stick around, you'll get over it.

Not one mass killing happened in the neighborhood while they walked around. I don't know what the percentage of active CCW is in Portland, but it's not low and they are all over the place. Maybe we need more open carry to remind people where they live and what the rights are here.
 
2013-01-10 09:58:18 PM

willfullyobscure: If I had a CCW and a weapon, and I saw this, i would draw, order them them to freeze and call the cops, and I would hold them at gunpoint and shoot to kill if they didn't comply. And, I'd get away scot free, and the cops would send me a Christmas card.


More to the point -- THIS. That no one did that is a little surprising.

As I said earlier, stupid isn't against the law.
 
2013-01-10 09:58:19 PM

trappedspirit: "Exercising my rights with a rifle to try to decrease the demonizing of peacefully exercising your rights in public," one of the men told Fox 12. He said his name is Warren, but did not want to provide a last name.

Yeah, spot on with that attention whore call. Good jorb.


His last name has been all over the local media. He apparently does this all the time in Medford, but this time decided to troll in the big city.
 
2013-01-10 09:59:18 PM

I_C_Weener: I'm all pro 2d Amendment but if you see someone walking around like that, you think school shooting, armed robbery...not...harmless stroll for a donut.


No, you do... and that's your issue to deal with.
 
2013-01-10 09:59:21 PM

YouPeopleAreCrazy: jaytkay: So we aren't versed in gun wanker minutia.

And you are.

Congratulations!!

The point is, both of those rifles are functionally no different than the AR-15's carried by the two idiots in the article. No matter how evil they look.

'Scary looking' does not equal 'assault'.


The rifle was designed for combat. Nothing else. What should we call it?
 
2013-01-10 09:59:36 PM

willfullyobscure: If I had a CCW and a weapon, and I saw this, i would draw, order them them to freeze and call the cops, and I would hold them at gunpoint and shoot to kill if they didn't comply. And, I'd get away scot free, and the cops would send me a Christmas card.


In Oregon you'd almost definitely be charged with menacing, and likely kidnapping as well.
 
2013-01-10 09:59:47 PM

Dimensio: AdmirableSnackbar: pedrop357: Silly Jesus: Libs are extremely scared of inanimate objects. Kinds sad, actually.

When everything is emotions and feelings, it's not surprising. A more logical person would do a quickie analysis and just move on.

I'm not afraid of guns. I'm afraid of the mentally unstable, irresponsible idiots like the ones in TFA owning them.

The subjects of the article were irresponsible, but no data yet justifies a claim of mental instability.


The concept of walking around with your buddy armed in such a way in an area other than an active war zone does not occur - or does not appear reasonable - to anyone who is mentally stable. Mostly because it's completely irresponsible.
 
2013-01-10 10:00:09 PM

queezyweezel: whither_apophis: And if a concerned citizen took them out with a .243 from 250 yards everyone would be cool with that right?

Why would anyone be okay with that?


With the right judge in Florida that would qualify as "standing your ground."
 
2013-01-10 10:01:23 PM

GoldSpider: Between the "concerned citizens" from this article and about 75% of people posting in this thread, there sure are a lot of people with irrational phobias.


Right, because it's completely rational to carry a f*cking rifle downtown. I would probably shake my head and move on. Then again, here in the south, gun-tards, like churches, are everywhere here.

I have learned to tune out the derp here.
 
2013-01-10 10:01:28 PM

willfullyobscure: If I had a CCW and a weapon, and I saw this, i would draw, order them them to freeze and call the cops, and I would hold them at gunpoint and shoot to kill if they didn't comply. And, I'd get away scot free, and the cops would send me a Christmas card.


If you were a ccw, you would know your jurisdiction's carry laws. You would also be a complete idiot starting a fight by yourself armed with just a handgun against two man with rifles. You may also find yourself on the wrong end of the law and brought up on several criminal charges, having your ccw permit revoked and your gun convienently lost.
 
2013-01-10 10:01:38 PM
i.imgur.com
gun nuts with sprinkles on top
 
2013-01-10 10:02:08 PM

AdmirableSnackbar: Dimensio: AdmirableSnackbar: pedrop357: Silly Jesus: Libs are extremely scared of inanimate objects. Kinds sad, actually.

When everything is emotions and feelings, it's not surprising. A more logical person would do a quickie analysis and just move on.

I'm not afraid of guns. I'm afraid of the mentally unstable, irresponsible idiots like the ones in TFA owning them.

The subjects of the article were irresponsible, but no data yet justifies a claim of mental instability.

The concept of walking around with your buddy armed in such a way in an area other than an active war zone does not occur - or does not appear reasonable - to anyone who is mentally stable. Mostly because it's completely irresponsible.


This. Also, your handle is hilarious.
 
2013-01-10 10:02:15 PM

pedrop357: Silly Jesus: Libs are extremely scared of inanimate objects. Kinds sad, actually.

When everything is emotions and feelings, it's not surprising. A more logical person would do a quickie analysis and just move on.


They also hate people who aren't victims like they are. Self reliance is threatening.
 
2013-01-10 10:02:44 PM

pxlboy: GoldSpider: Between the "concerned citizens" from this article and about 75% of people posting in this thread, there sure are a lot of people with irrational phobias.

Right, because it's completely rational to carry a f*cking rifle downtown. I would probably shake my head and move on. Then again, here in the south, gun-tards, like churches, are everywhere here.

I have learned to tune out the derp here.


When did they go downtown? They did this in two suburban type areas.
 
2013-01-10 10:02:55 PM

pxlboy: I would probably shake my head and move on. Then again, here in the south, gun-tards, like churches, are everywhere here.


That's the rational response to these AWs, not fear.
 
2013-01-10 10:03:25 PM

Silly Jesus: pedrop357: Silly Jesus: Libs are extremely scared of inanimate objects. Kinds sad, actually.

When everything is emotions and feelings, it's not surprising. A more logical person would do a quickie analysis and just move on.

They also hate people who aren't victims like they are. Self reliance is threatening.


LOLWUT

Time to bail on another Fark Gun Thread™.
 
2013-01-10 10:03:25 PM
willfullyobscure

If I had a CCW and a weapon, and I saw this, i would draw, order them them to freeze and call the cops, and I would hold them at gunpoint and shoot to kill if they didn't comply.

Actually, you'd hopefully be taught in a mandated carry class that brandishing a weapon at people who aren't doing anything illegal is a quick route to jail, so it would never get that far.
 
2013-01-10 10:03:46 PM

GoldSpider: I_C_Weener: I'm all pro 2d Amendment but if you see someone walking around like that, you think school shooting, armed robbery...not...harmless stroll for a donut.

No, you do... and that's your issue to deal with.


Ok.
 
2013-01-10 10:04:02 PM

willfullyobscure: If I had a CCW and a weapon, and I saw this, i would draw, order them them to freeze and call the cops, and I would hold them at gunpoint and shoot to kill if they didn't comply. And, I'd get away scot free, and the cops would send me a Christmas card.


You also may be sued for unlawful use of a firearm by threatening them. How could you feel threatened by two guys walking around with neither hand on their guns, acting non-agressively, and obeying all laws. If they drew on you that is one thing, but when in Rome...
 
2013-01-10 10:04:11 PM

GoldSpider: pxlboy: I would probably shake my head and move on. Then again, here in the south, gun-tards, like churches, are everywhere here.

That's the rational response to these AWs, not fear.


And so is comma abuse, it would seem. But the point remains.
 
2013-01-10 10:04:15 PM

Haliburton Cummings: http://kptv.images.worldnow.com/images/1968884_G.jpg


again, two MIT graduates...Fatty McShutin and Willie Wanker, the dynamic douchebags of Portland Oregon showing the world that most gun nuts are power mad weirdos with serious sex deficit disorder.

these two patriots are at home right now spanking each other with semen welded copies of Guns and Ammo.

i say the skinny guy with the soiled diaper on his head is the top here and fatty being the guy with the tits is the bottom.

this is Gunmerica.
these are your patriots.

lmao


Damn I damn near had a asthma attack
 
2013-01-10 10:04:28 PM

willfullyobscure: If I had a CCW and a weapon, and I saw this, i would draw, order them them to freeze and call the cops, and I would hold them at gunpoint and shoot to kill if they didn't comply. And, I'd get away scot free, and the cops would send me a Christmas card.


notsureifseriousorjustmildlyretarded.jpg
 
2013-01-10 10:04:33 PM

AdmirableSnackbar: Dimensio: AdmirableSnackbar: pedrop357: Silly Jesus: Libs are extremely scared of inanimate objects. Kinds sad, actually.

When everything is emotions and feelings, it's not surprising. A more logical person would do a quickie analysis and just move on.

I'm not afraid of guns. I'm afraid of the mentally unstable, irresponsible idiots like the ones in TFA owning them.

The subjects of the article were irresponsible, but no data yet justifies a claim of mental instability.

The concept of walking around with your buddy armed in such a way in an area other than an active war zone does not occur - or does not appear reasonable - to anyone who is mentally stable. Mostly because it's completely irresponsible.


Mental instability is substantially more narrowly defined than being of a propensity to engage in irresponsible behaviour. I would consider any parent who chose to use homeopathic remedies, eschewing actual medicine, upon their children to be irresponsible but I would not consider such a choice to be indicative of mental instability. Similarly, I believe that the actions of the two individuals mentioned in the article to be irresponsible, but without further data I cannot reasonably conclude them to be mentally unstable.
 
2013-01-10 10:04:41 PM

davidphogan: and likely kidnapping as well.


federal charge or does it have to be acorss state lines.

Would they consider that a crime with a gun because that carries an additional minimum sentence.

I hope the farker means it and is not some ITG...cause I love it when a plan falls apart and we can get a chuckle out of it at their expense.
 
2013-01-10 10:04:42 PM

Facetious_Speciest: Actually, you'd hopefully be taught in a mandated carry class that brandishing a weapon at people who aren't doing anything illegal is a quick route to jail, so it would never get that far.


Snap!
 
2013-01-10 10:05:08 PM

willfullyobscure: If I had a CCW and a weapon, and I saw this, i would draw, order them them to freeze and call the cops, and I would hold them at gunpoint and shoot to kill if they didn't comply. And, I'd get away scot free, and the cops would send me a Christmas card.


Slung over their shoulders? You'd probably just lose your license if you're lucky.
 
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