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(KPTV Portland)   Two men go walking in Portland, OR with loaded assault rifles strapped to their backs to "educate" general public. Hilarity ensues   (kptv.com) divider line 1215
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2013-01-10 09:35:30 PM

syzygy whizz: Warren said he hoped people would approach them and talk to them, instead of calling police.

That makes total perfect sense.  I mean, if Isee a couple guys carrying a big-ass deadly weapon the FIRST thing I'm inclined to do is approach them and start a conversation.
No way my internal dialogue might go something like:
"Holy shiat...these guys are strolling around in public, heavily and openly armed.  Very high possibility they are lookin' for some ground to stand. DO NOT APPROACH.  Call for backup."


Oh, c'mon. You sure it wouldn't be to approach them with one simple question:

"So, how tiny are your penises?"
 
2013-01-10 09:35:37 PM

jaytkay: So we aren't versed in gun wanker minutia.

And you are.

Congratulations!!


Congratulations, you missed the point. The difference between "assault rifles" and any other rifle, is also typically only cosmetic.
 
2013-01-10 09:36:17 PM

KarmicDisaster: Dimensio: KarmicDisaster: I wonder what the law would say if a CCW who felt threatened opened fire on them. Most of the laws are written very vaguely now, it you feel threatened, open fire! You know, there are a lot of things that you can do, like having sex, that aren't really appropriate in public.

I am aware of no law allowing the use of deadly force in public without a "reasonable" established fear of imminent grievous bodily injury -- including death -- kidnapping, sexual assault or arson. If the individuals were not actively threatening others -- and the legal, even if anti-social, act of carrying rifles as they did would not establish such "reasonable" belief -- then the use of deadly force would not be justified under any existing statute.

The burden of proof has been decreased in many states to be "threatened". And in some state, like Texas, you can kill people for just property crimes, you don't have to be threatened at all. In fact, it does not even have to be your property. For example a member of the public killed a shoplifter in a parking lot in Texas, and was not prosecuted. In another case (not sure where, guessing FL) a guy stole a potted plant and the owner followed the thief to his car and killed him in the car. The owner was not threatened.  In another case, a guy saw someone breaking into his neighbors house, chased the intruder for blocks then killed him with a gun.  That's what "stand  your ground" is all about, apparently you no longer have to retreat, if you feel threatened you can kill someone. In fact, in many cases you can apparently pursue them.

Personally, if I were, say, a store owner, and these two fools walked in, one with an Arab scarf on his head, both with what look like real assault rifles and also pistols on their belts, I'm be ducking and grabbing for my piece.  If I fired at them in haste or out of fear I'm not sure any jury would convict me, especially if the weapons proved to be real and loaded. That's why the concealed p ...


Perhaps, then, you could reference a specific state deadly force statute that defines a "feeling" of being "threatened" as sufficient legal justification for the use of deadly force in public. I am currently aware of none, but I admit that I may merely be ignorant of such statutes that do exist.
 
2013-01-10 09:36:20 PM
At least carry a placard that describes what you're doing. farking idiots.
 
2013-01-10 09:36:25 PM

James F. Campbell: Lochsteppe: Sure, it's just like breastfeeding in public--if you're made uncomfortable by it, it's just because you don't understand how natural and beneficial it really is.

This is so stupid that I'm too stupefied to even say, "What an incredibly stupid thing to say."


Maybe you read it wrong. Try again with your tongue in your cheek.
 
2013-01-10 09:36:30 PM

Shae123: jayhawk88: Look, I don't care how much you "educate" me about guns, if I see you walking down the street with an assault rifle strapped to your back, I'm going to call the mothefarking cops. Why? BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY DAMN BUSINESS WALKING DOWN THE STREET WITH AN ASSAULT RIFLE STRAPPED TO YOUR BACK! If you think you need protection, conceal and carry, it's not something I would ever do but if you feel that way, OK. But this isn't farking Beirut circa 1982, all right? It is not that farking bad out there people. It's just not.

Sorry, your belief that they have "no damn business...." Doesn't trump the law...call the cops, others did too...you read what happened, right? nothing.


There's no law against stupid.
 
2013-01-10 09:36:38 PM

spasemunki: I would love to follow them around town calling them cowards. Just to see what they would do. I would be perfectly willing to explain to them why I thought they were cowards.


Please explain.
 
2013-01-10 09:36:59 PM

threadjackistan: [therealrevo.com image 402x307]

/Link Hot


I've been there. Open carry is mandatory.

/and at least one 30 round magazine
 
2013-01-10 09:37:02 PM

Dimensio: whither_apophis: Dimensio: KarmicDisaster: I wonder what the law would say if a CCW who felt threatened opened fire on them. Most of the laws are written very vaguely now, it you feel threatened, open fire! You know, there are a lot of things that you can do, like having sex, that aren't really appropriate in public.

I am aware of no law allowing the use of deadly force in public without a "reasonable" established fear of imminent grievous bodily injury -- including death -- kidnapping, sexual assault or arson. If the individuals were not actively threatening others -- and the legal, even if anti-social, act of carrying rifles as they did would not establish such "reasonable" belief -- then the use of deadly force would not be justified under any existing statute.

Do you skip all the "Florida" tagged links?

I do not believe that your question is related to my statement.


http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/03/20/deaths-nearly-triple-since-stand- your-ground-enacted/

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statut e &Search_String&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.013.html

Paragraph 3 basically gives the last guy standing all he needs, especially if there's no other witnesses.
 
2013-01-10 09:37:12 PM

Dimensio: omnibus_necanda_sunt: See, gun people? The average person just doesn't give a shiat about what you think, they just want you to get that goddamned thing away from them.

You're not normal. Can't you understand that? When the mere sight of your fixation can cause panic attacks, it's time to give it up.

And don't try to argue with Dimensio. He's better at autism than actual autistic people.

Insulting me will not validate your position.


listen, you validate the position and i'll drive my point home ok?

oh wait...you are on your way to portland to get right on that with Fatty and Skinny aren't ya?

VALIDATE THE POSITIONZ!!

you are a laugh riot.
 
2013-01-10 09:37:18 PM

omnibus_necanda_sunt: And don't try to argue with Dimensio. He's better at autism than actual autistic people.


Dude is calm cool and collected. Well disciplined....probably a Shaolin Monk.

or a text bot.

/i keed
 
2013-01-10 09:37:19 PM

flamingboard: serial_crusher: The men told officers they were hoping to educate the public about gun rights.
...
Officers said carrying firearms openly is legal

Sounds like the public needed a little education in that department.

Guys with guns isn't suspicious at all and should never be reported.


Not when they aren't breaking the law. Arizona PDs don't even bother taking MYAG calls unless the gun is out.
 
2013-01-10 09:37:51 PM
Mark Portland off the list of places I'd like to relocate to...

Then again, I'm in Texas so maybe not
 
2013-01-10 09:38:56 PM

Haliburton Cummings: CthulhuCalling: Haliburton Cummings: CthulhuCalling: Haliburton Cummings: Dimensio: Haliburton Cummings: Facetious_Speciest:

Translation: Whrrrrgarbl

from a gun nut i take that as a compliment...

just a question;

when out shooting civilians, or babies in another country, why is that ok? ya know, shooting up a school for say "Uncle Sam" instead of say "shiats and giggles" here at home?

I'm just wondering about the cognitive dissonance there...

you seem like you may be an expert on the subject


Potato/10
Like in said in the other thread, you're trying too hard. Pace yourself or you'll burn out, Spanky.
 
2013-01-10 09:39:13 PM

jaytkay: YouPeopleAreCrazy: What is the difference between this...
thespecialistsltd.com

...and this?
images-kitup.military.com

Trick question...they are the same rifle, the AR-7.

So we aren't versed in gun wanker minutia.

And you are.

Congratulations!!


It simply goes toward showing that libby libs are reacting emotionally instead of intelligently.

"OOOh, big scary gun...only used in less than 3% of gun murders?, eh, it's still really scary, let's ban it. STOP LIKING WHAT WE DON'T LIKE."
 
2013-01-10 09:39:13 PM

The_Sponge: fusillade762: How much you want to bet they think taxes are too high and government spending is out of control?

In all fairness, spending is out of control.


OBAMA!!! Oh, wait...

blogs-images.forbes.com
 
2013-01-10 09:39:35 PM
guidesmedia.ign.com
 
2013-01-10 09:39:47 PM

Mr. Fuzzypaws: No exactly a concealed handgun now is it.


they have something calt Ohphen Carrie.
 
2013-01-10 09:40:02 PM

jaytkay: So we aren't versed in gun wanker minutia.

And you are.

Congratulations!!


The point is, both of those rifles are functionally no different than the AR-15's carried by the two idiots in the article. No matter how evil they look.

'Scary looking' does not equal 'assault'.
 
2013-01-10 09:40:12 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Mazzic518: Giltric: Link

I hate cops but wow that guy was good and the guy taking the video is a grade A douche-nozzle

He was obviously nervous, and only wanted to exercise his rights. Not exactly a douche by a long shot, he didn't want to give his last name, big deal. The cop was definitely cool though, I wish we had more like that.


No I can recognize when someone is being a dick to cops cause I do it frequently
 
2013-01-10 09:40:14 PM

whither_apophis: Dimensio: whither_apophis: Dimensio: KarmicDisaster: I wonder what the law would say if a CCW who felt threatened opened fire on them. Most of the laws are written very vaguely now, it you feel threatened, open fire! You know, there are a lot of things that you can do, like having sex, that aren't really appropriate in public.

I am aware of no law allowing the use of deadly force in public without a "reasonable" established fear of imminent grievous bodily injury -- including death -- kidnapping, sexual assault or arson. If the individuals were not actively threatening others -- and the legal, even if anti-social, act of carrying rifles as they did would not establish such "reasonable" belief -- then the use of deadly force would not be justified under any existing statute.

Do you skip all the "Florida" tagged links?

I do not believe that your question is related to my statement.

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/03/20/deaths-nearly-triple-since-stand - your-ground-enacted/

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statut e &Search_String&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.013.html

Paragraph 3 basically gives the last guy standing all he needs, especially if there's no other witnesses.


The statute that you have referenced explicitly relates to a "reasonable fear of great death or bodily harm", which would be consistent with my original statement. Are you stating that an individual who is attacked in public should not be presumed to have reasonable belief of imminent death or bodily injury?
 
2013-01-10 09:40:59 PM

CthulhuCalling: flamingboard: serial_crusher: The men told officers they were hoping to educate the public about gun rights.
...
Officers said carrying firearms openly is legal

Sounds like the public needed a little education in that department.

Guys with guns isn't suspicious at all and should never be reported.

Not when they aren't breaking the law. Arizona PDs don't even bother taking MYAG calls unless the gun is out.


what does that stand for? I'm assuming the 'g' is 'gun'.
 
2013-01-10 09:41:00 PM

Giltric: omnibus_necanda_sunt: And don't try to argue with Dimensio. He's better at autism than actual autistic people.

Dude is calm cool and collected. Well disciplined....probably a Shaolin Monk.

or a text bot.

/i keed


I am, in fact, configured with a graphical user interface.
 
2013-01-10 09:41:02 PM

Silly Jesus: It simply goes toward showing that libby libs are reacting emotionally instead of intelligently


Pulling out your AR15 and walking around with it is a totally reasoned response.
 
2013-01-10 09:41:22 PM

CthulhuCalling: Haliburton Cummings: CthulhuCalling: Haliburton Cummings: CthulhuCalling: Haliburton Cummings: Dimensio: Haliburton Cummings: Facetious_Speciest:

Translation: Whrrrrgarbl

from a gun nut i take that as a compliment...

just a question;

when out shooting civilians, or babies in another country, why is that ok? ya know, shooting up a school for say "Uncle Sam" instead of say "shiats and giggles" here at home?

I'm just wondering about the cognitive dissonance there...

you seem like you may be an expert on the subject

Potato/10
Like in said in the other thread, you're trying too hard. Pace yourself or you'll burn out, Spanky.


yeah i wouldn't want to get PTSD and shoot up a mall or something...and i don't follow your posts...

but you didn't answer my question.. VALIDATE THE POSITION

/mmm baby killers
//blood for oil
//takin it for Uncle Sam
 
2013-01-10 09:42:00 PM

YouPeopleAreCrazy: jaytkay: So we aren't versed in gun wanker minutia.

And you are.

Congratulations!!

The point is, both of those rifles are functionally no different than the AR-15's carried by the two idiots in the article. No matter how evil they look.

'Scary looking' does not equal 'assault'.


How would I load a .223 Remington caliber round into an AR-7?
 
2013-01-10 09:42:03 PM

Lochsteppe: serial_crusher: The men told officers they were hoping to educate the public about gun rights.
...
Officers said carrying firearms openly is legal

Sounds like the public needed a little education in that department.

Sure, it's just like breastfeeding in public--if you're made uncomfortable by it, it's just because you don't understand how natural and beneficial it really is.


Hmm...
Mass public exhibition of loaded firearms vs. mass public exhibition of loaded boobies.
Decisions, decisions...
 
2013-01-10 09:42:14 PM

AdmirableSnackbar: favored by ignorant but extremely angry Tea Party types


Good lord, where in the world did you get that 30 megawatt projector?
 
2013-01-10 09:42:31 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: jaytkay: So we aren't versed in gun wanker minutia.

And you are.

Congratulations!!

Congratulations, you missed the point. The difference between "assault rifles" and any other rifle, is also typically only cosmetic.


Congratulations, you missed the original point. You're a wanker!
 
2013-01-10 09:42:38 PM

Zombie DJ: But it's asshats like this that make me HATE gun owners more, simply because I don't see someone marching around the city against abortion with a real fetus strapped to their body.


I live in a small town in Maryland, and we have what I would call VERY graphic pro life demonstrations twice a month. Lots of pictures, and sometimes mock fetuses. God I hope they've never used a real one, I might not notice the difference. I hate it. But they aren't really breaking any REAL laws, and life sorta goes on.
 
2013-01-10 09:43:04 PM

calbert: CthulhuCalling: flamingboard: serial_crusher: The men told officers they were hoping to educate the public about gun rights.
...
Officers said carrying firearms openly is legal

Sounds like the public needed a little education in that department.

Guys with guns isn't suspicious at all and should never be reported.

Not when they aren't breaking the law. Arizona PDs don't even bother taking MYAG calls unless the gun is out.

what does that stand for? I'm assuming the 'g' is 'gun'.


Cellphone keyboard. MWAG = man with a gun.
 
2013-01-10 09:43:07 PM

gaspode: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: What sort of "education" are we supposed to get from this?

[kptv.images.worldnow.com image 850x477]

The fact that guy looks SO farkING GAY in that headscarf. Camo headscarf dude? really?


He's almost certainly not gay. No gay man in the history of the world would be caught dead in those awful jeans.
 
2013-01-10 09:43:14 PM
I'd still trust these two guys over two cops carrying the same guns.
 
2013-01-10 09:43:26 PM
Haliburton Cummings: drive over 40 mph in Gunmerica with your head out the window. if you don't get hit in the head by an obese idiot, you are in Kansas.

Wow..his next post will be "USA NOT OK! USA, PA...TOOIE!!!!"

waitaminnit.....

Haliburton Cummings is the Iron Sheik!! Friggin' awesome! I loved that guy!!

/gets popcorn...okay, you may continue....
 
2013-01-10 09:43:35 PM

Mazzic518: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Mazzic518: Giltric: Link

I hate cops but wow that guy was good and the guy taking the video is a grade A douche-nozzle

He was obviously nervous, and only wanted to exercise his rights. Not exactly a douche by a long shot, he didn't want to give his last name, big deal. The cop was definitely cool though, I wish we had more like that.

No I can recognize when someone is being a dick to cops cause I do it frequently


ITG
 
2013-01-10 09:43:43 PM

rev. dave: HideAndGoFarkYourself: I'm a very staunch supporter of the right to own firearms, whether they be for hunting, sport, self defense, or just because one wants to have them.  I don't even mind when people carry them, and carry them openly, so long as they're not doing it FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE of attracting attention to themselves. These people weren't carrying for protection, if they were, they'd be carrying a defensive weapon like a handgun.  They were carrying to create a scene and to get exactly what they got, a police response and a news story.  People like these actually, in my opinion, do more to hurt the gun lobby than help.

In any political fight, you've got the 20% that are die hard pro-whatever, and the 20% that are die hard con-whatever.  Then there's the remaining 60% who are going to vote based on how well the other side sells their position.  People like this, who generate negative publicity, who act in a manner designed only to create fear or panic, don't help their cause in the least.

Not to mention that somewhere, somebody is dialing 911 with an actual emergency, and their help is being delayed because these two jackwagons want to walk around carrying AR-15's and wagging their dicks around.

This is the kind of opinion I want to read! Very good point. I don't understand the motivations behind attention whores, so it is harder for me to see that is what they are doing. I think both sides need to chill out. Democrats are wasting huge percentages of political capital over this. It is a total waste, this is an issue equivalent to abortion as far as political capital and waste of energy are concerned. One of the few.

Please Democrats, we have people starving from unemployment, you are focusing on the wrong thing!!!


I think you have misinterpreted the Dems goals here. Those goal include lots of small donations from their base on an issue that they've keep on slow boil for 30 years. And it does conveniently push that pesky "economy" thing off the front page.

In the end, they'll propose a stupid and ineffective solution, it will be reviled by the right and our helpful media, and we'll move along. Progress!
 
2013-01-10 09:43:49 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: But then again, I've got a real penis. YMMV.


DRINK!
 
2013-01-10 09:43:53 PM
Because it's self-evident the 1:1 correspondence between breast-feeding infants and open carry assault rifles.

Makes as much sense as comparing deaths due to cars with deaths due to guns.

i.e. none
 
2013-01-10 09:44:06 PM
Just so needless and dangerous.  Stupid white dudes in the whitest major city in America.  If these clowns were to parade around my neighborhood like that, more that a few residents would likely relieve them of their weapons and probably their lives.  Given the current social climate here, the police might do the same...and they might even get to the scene before anybody else.
 
2013-01-10 09:44:14 PM

The Larch: gaspode: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: What sort of "education" are we supposed to get from this?

[kptv.images.worldnow.com image 850x477]

The fact that guy looks SO farkING GAY in that headscarf. Camo headscarf dude? really?

He's almost certainly not gay. No gay man in the history of the world would be caught dead in those awful jeans.


You have not observed my wardrobe.
 
2013-01-10 09:44:25 PM

ArcadianRefugee: "So, how tiny are your penises?"


DRINK! (again)
 
2013-01-10 09:44:53 PM
Warren said he hoped people would approach them and talk to them, instead of calling police

i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-10 09:45:26 PM

Jaws_Victim: I really wish a car had backfired and they pulled their guns out and started shooting, or at least got them in their hands and provoked a serious panic.


Uh. That could be really bad for the person in the (hypothetical) car.

/or bystanders
 
2013-01-10 09:45:59 PM

pedrop357: ArcadianRefugee: "So, how tiny are your penises?"

DRINK! (again)


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2013-01-10 09:46:01 PM
I'm waiting for a bus at the same intersection these guys got stopped, so I'm getting a kick...
 
2013-01-10 09:46:34 PM
Libs are extremely scared of inanimate objects. Kinds sad, actually.
 
2013-01-10 09:46:44 PM

Evil High Priest: And it does conveniently push that pesky "economy" thing off the front page


I think I found a flaw in your evil plan.
 
2013-01-10 09:47:13 PM

Silly Jesus: Mazzic518: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Mazzic518: Giltric: Link

I hate cops but wow that guy was good and the guy taking the video is a grade A douche-nozzle

He was obviously nervous, and only wanted to exercise his rights. Not exactly a douche by a long shot, he didn't want to give his last name, big deal. The cop was definitely cool though, I wish we had more like that.

No I can recognize when someone is being a dick to cops cause I do it frequently

ITG


I got yer ITG swinging....


www.fbastard.com
 
2013-01-10 09:47:35 PM

CthulhuCalling: calbert: CthulhuCalling: flamingboard: serial_crusher: The men told officers they were hoping to educate the public about gun rights.
...
Officers said carrying firearms openly is legal

Sounds like the public needed a little education in that department.

Guys with guns isn't suspicious at all and should never be reported.

Not when they aren't breaking the law. Arizona PDs don't even bother taking MYAG calls unless the gun is out.

what does that stand for? I'm assuming the 'g' is 'gun'.

Cellphone keyboard. MWAG = man with a gun.


ok. thx. I was confused and all the internet provided was "Marine and Yachting Association of Grenada". Strangely, your post still makes sense even if it was that.
 
2013-01-10 09:47:46 PM

Silly Jesus: Libs are extremely scared of inanimate objects. Kinds sad, actually.


When everything is emotions and feelings, it's not surprising. A more logical person would do a quickie analysis and just move on.
 
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