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(KPTV Portland)   Two men go walking in Portland, OR with loaded assault rifles strapped to their backs to "educate" general public. Hilarity ensues   (kptv.com) divider line 1214
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2013-01-10 09:24:19 PM  
Tomorrow on the 6 o'clock news:

"Portland Gun Owner Killed For His Guns."
 
2013-01-10 09:24:35 PM  

Lochsteppe: Sure, it's just like breastfeeding in public--if you're made uncomfortable by it, it's just because you don't understand how natural and beneficial it really is.


This is so stupid that I'm too stupefied to even say, "What an incredibly stupid thing to say."
 
2013-01-10 09:25:03 PM  

Fuggin Bizzy: Dimensio: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Not to mention that somewhere, somebody is dialing 911 with an actual emergency, and their help is being delayed because these two jackwagons want to walk around carrying AR-15's and wagging their dicks around.

A local police officer informed me that he prefers citizens to carry concealed for the specific reason that legally openly carried firearms may cause observers unfamiliar with the law to contact and thus waste the resources of emergency services. That explanation prompted me to obtain a holster that more effectively conceals my firearm when cycling, as until then I had worn a holster that was frequently exposed, inadvertently, when I cycled.

I own guns and also ride my bike, but I've never felt the need to pack heat while cycling.


Your lack of "need" is not of particular relevance


But then again, I've got a real penis. YMMV.

Your genitals are of absolutely no relevance to the current discussion. While you may feel an obsessive compulsion to make reference to them, your introduction of that topic is entirely inappropriate.
 
2013-01-10 09:25:07 PM  

kendelrio: FTFA:"Two men carrying assault rifles on their backs said they were simply exercising their Second Amendment right, but police said they scared plenty of people."

Why can't they do both? Why must it be one or the other?


If I feel threatened can I stand my ground and shoot them?

What a pair of total farking douchebags.
 
2013-01-10 09:25:09 PM  
They weren't loaded, or if they we re there's no mention of it in TFA. I think if they'd had loaded magazines attached or on their persons they'd be in a cell right talking to the FBI.
 
2013-01-10 09:25:13 PM  

Funbags: Plop these guys down in a "stand your ground" state, and watch them ditch those rifles in some random alley post-haste.

No self-respecting CCW'er with the legal precedent to kill anyone openly armed would hesitate to empty a clip on them, their camera crew, and their publicist.


fta: Oregon is an open carry state.
 
2013-01-10 09:25:13 PM  

Fuggin Bizzy: I own guns and also ride my bike, but I've never felt the need to pack heat while cycling.


Sounds like you've never read a cycling thread on FARK. Just about every ITG on here has run over a cyclist.
 
2013-01-10 09:25:43 PM  

Haliburton Cummings: Dimensio: Haliburton Cummings: Dimensio: Haliburton Cummings: Dimensio:
whargble from a guntad

just winding you up so you get all frustrated, make an asshat of yourself and go shoot yourself out of frustration really.

you are already getting eaten alive in this thread so..

look, as a peace offering, you tell me where you buy sex and i'll mail them a cheque ok? OR i'll renew your subscription to Guns And Power for the next year...

in the meantime, go polish your porn ok?

ok bai professor.


Thank you for admitting that you are intellectually dishonest. No further discussion with you is warranted.
 
2013-01-10 09:25:46 PM  
Nina_Hartley's_Ass

What sort of "education" are we supposed to get from this?

"This is my attention-whoring mechanism. There are many like it, but this one is mine." Etc.
 
2013-01-10 09:26:17 PM  

jaytkay: HideAndGoFarkYourself: A person carrying concealed can choose the moment at which he wants to intervene...It's not as easy as many gun owners try to make it out to be....If you're carrying concealed and you realize at that pivotal moment that you don't have what it takes to end a human life, then you just go on with the program until you are left with absolutely no other choice.

Sounds like you've been called on many times to defend yourself and others with your concealed firearm.

Tell us all about that.


I'm a police officer in a fairly shiatty area.  I've also studied extensively the psychological side of killing as it relates to combat and combat stress.  I have fought for my life, I have used a firearm both offensively and defensively in a military setting.  I instruct at the state police academy and present workshops and training on the psychology of interpersonal human aggression.  In short order I will complete my Master's Degree in psychology, focusing on combat stress.  I have absolutely no problem admitting that the first time I was shot at in combat, I pissed myself and hid. I have no problem admitting that the first time I ever shot AT somebody in combat, I intentionally missed, hoping they'd just quit shooting at me.

I am, in no way, better than any other person out there who carries a gun.  I am different, in that I've had to use one before.

That's all there is to it.  I can speak with authority on what goes through a person's mind when they are faced with the realization that they may have to kill somebody.
 
2013-01-10 09:26:21 PM  
They were perfectly legal.
People need to stop crapping all over themselves every time they see a gun.

I have no problem with what they did. Some guy did the same thing here in Utah not too long ago.

Grow up and stop being afraid of the inanimate boogey man.
 
2013-01-10 09:26:22 PM  

TwoBeersOneCan:
//even if some 2nd amendment hero gives me a detailed explanation on why these aren't "assault" rifles
///still looks like it could kill a lot of people really quick


Well I should hope it can, thats the only thing its any damned good for so it ought to be good at that.

If you make an issue with someone calling that thing and assault rifle then you are a nutjob, its a sodding assault rifle, or an intentional replica of one designed to make people who see you think it is an assault rifle (that's sadder).
 
2013-01-10 09:26:54 PM  
These people ought to do a little patrol in front of those dudes houses.
disinfo.s3.amazonaws.com
//You do you mean these people?
 
2013-01-10 09:27:11 PM  

ultraholland: Dimensio: You have still provided no actual reasonable justification of your position.

you're validating him because you're getting trolled


shhhhhh.

he is going on about "valid justifiable positions" in defence of his gun nut rambling and making himself look like a wacko....let him roll...he thinks he's a smartypants...any minute now he'll post pictures of his gun collection too.

you're not helping...
 
2013-01-10 09:27:36 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: What sort of "education" are we supposed to get from this?


When you see the next Adam Lanza approaching a school, salute him and thank him for standing up FOR the 2nd Amendment and AGAINST tyranny.
 
2013-01-10 09:27:45 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: What sort of "education" are we supposed to get from this?

[kptv.images.worldnow.com image 850x477]


The fact that guy looks SO farkING GAY in that headscarf. Camo headscarf dude? really?
 
2013-01-10 09:27:47 PM  
It's the people arguing about what theycan do versus the people arguing about what they should do.

Again.
 
2013-01-10 09:27:55 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: What sort of "education" are we supposed to get from this?


That just owning a gun doesn't mean that you are killing people 24/7, and that gun owners are people just like you and me.
 
2013-01-10 09:28:17 PM  

Dimensio: Haliburton Cummings: Dimensio: Haliburton Cummings: Dimensio: Haliburton Cummings: Dimensio:
whargble from a guntad

just winding you up so you get all frustrated, make an asshat of yourself and go shoot yourself out of frustration really.

you are already getting eaten alive in this thread so..

look, as a peace offering, you tell me where you buy sex and i'll mail them a cheque ok? OR i'll renew your subscription to Guns And Power for the next year...

in the meantime, go polish your porn ok?

ok bai professor.

Thank you for admitting that you are intellectually dishonest. No further discussion with you is warranted.


HAHAHAHHAHA

ok go cuddle up to your gun and cry now.
 
2013-01-10 09:28:26 PM  

gingerjet: iheartscotch: How else do you suppose guns get from gun safes to shooting ranges.

Oh I don't know ... how 'bout properly stored in one's trunk?

/and even when carried it should be in storage container of some type
//gun safety 101 biatch


It would be easier to retrieve your rifle from a carry case than to maneuver into a firing position from how they've got those rifles strapped in the photo. The guy on the left has a two point sling. Seems that should run over his left shoulder (muzzle down) for starters. Then he could quickly get the stock under his shoulder and hand in the grip.

Its going to take him a good twenty seconds to make that thing ready to shoot from where he has it.

/In his rush to attention whore, he's carrying like a newb.
/Makes you wonder if bad attention is the kind they intended to get.
 
2013-01-10 09:28:43 PM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I'm a very staunch supporter of the right to own firearms, whether they be for hunting, sport, self defense, or just because one wants to have them.  I don't even mind when people carry them, and carry them openly, so long as they're not doing it FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE of attracting attention to themselves. These people weren't carrying for protection, if they were, they'd be carrying a defensive weapon like a handgun.  They were carrying to create a scene and to get exactly what they got, a police response and a news story.  People like these actually, in my opinion, do more to hurt the gun lobby than help.

In any political fight, you've got the 20% that are die hard pro-whatever, and the 20% that are die hard con-whatever.  Then there's the remaining 60% who are going to vote based on how well the other side sells their position.   People like this, who generate negative publicity, who act in a manner designed only to create fear or panic, don't help their cause in the least.

Not to mention that somewhere, somebody is dialing 911 with an actual emergency, and their help is being delayed because these two jackwagons want to walk around carrying AR-15's and wagging their dicks around.


Clearly, liberal agent provocateurs.
 
2013-01-10 09:28:55 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: What sort of "education" are we supposed to get from this?

[kptv.images.worldnow.com image 850x477]



We learned that Portland is full of weirdos, and it's best to avoid that city.

/I keed.
//Fun place to go for weekend trips.
 
2013-01-10 09:29:17 PM  
[1] People who identify themselves as "victims" harbor excessive amounts of rage at other people, whom they perceive as "not victims."

[2] In order psychologically to deal with this rage, these "victims" utilize defense mechanisms that enable them to harm others in socially acceptable ways, without accepting responsibility or suffering guilt, and without having to give up their status as "victims."

[3] Gun owners are frequently the targets of professional victims because gun owners are willing and able to prevent their own victimization.
 
2013-01-10 09:29:40 PM  

TwoBeersOneCan: //even if some 2nd amendment hero gives me a detailed explanation on why these aren't "assault" rifles
///still looks like it could kill a lot of people really quick


What is the difference between this...
thespecialistsltd.com

...and this?
images-kitup.military.com

Trick question...they are the same rifle, the AR-7. Just different external bits. Just one looks scarier than the other.

/designed by the same guy that designed the AR-15
//off the same assembly line (or used to be, anyway)
///yes, the top one has a longer magazine
////that also fits in the other one
 
2013-01-10 09:30:04 PM  

Haliburton Cummings: CthulhuCalling: Haliburton Cummings: Dimensio: Haliburton Cummings: Facetious_Speciest: It's highly unlikely they were carrying assault rifles.

That said, "look at me, I'm an attention whore!" seems about right.

no those aren't assault rifles at all.

rtfa nozzle. pay attention to the picturez

Nothing within the article text mentioned confirmation of select-fire capability of either firearm.

fta:


GUNS IN PUBLIC
Two men carrying assault rifles on their backs said they were simply exercising their Second Amendment right, but police said they scared plenty of people.

now shush

Unless its capable of select-fire, it is not an assault rifle.

i'm glad this is a distinction between a fat and lazy american shooting people as opposed to a fat and lazy american who can pull the trigger really fast.

so, the difference is in the "kill spray" versus " slow and meticulous slaughter" modes.

well pat yourself on the back.

too bad the pictures don't show the mail order full auto mods or the home tooled breach or we'd be in business in this inane troll you gun princesses are rambling on about..


Translation: Whrrrrgarbl
 
2013-01-10 09:30:07 PM  

Dimensio: whither_apophis: Dimensio: KarmicDisaster: I wonder what the law would say if a CCW who felt threatened opened fire on them. Most of the laws are written very vaguely now, it you feel threatened, open fire! You know, there are a lot of things that you can do, like having sex, that aren't really appropriate in public.

I am aware of no law allowing the use of deadly force in public without a "reasonable" established fear of imminent grievous bodily injury -- including death -- kidnapping, sexual assault or arson. If the individuals were not actively threatening others -- and the legal, even if anti-social, act of carrying rifles as they did would not establish such "reasonable" belief -- then the use of deadly force would not be justified under any existing statute.

Do you skip all the "Florida" tagged links?

I do not believe that your question is related to my statement.


Re: Trayvon Martin.
 
2013-01-10 09:30:24 PM  

Mazzic518: Giltric: Link

I hate cops but wow that guy was good and the guy taking the video is a grade A douche-nozzle


He was obviously nervous, and only wanted to exercise his rights. Not exactly a douche by a long shot, he didn't want to give his last name, big deal. The cop was definitely cool though, I wish we had more like that.
 
2013-01-10 09:30:39 PM  
Those guys both look young enough to join the military, in case they're really concerned about defending FREEDOM!!
 
2013-01-10 09:30:59 PM  
"So, why didn't you just arrest him before he got to the park?"
"For what?"
 
2013-01-10 09:31:07 PM  
See, gun people? The average person just doesn't give a shiat about what you think, they just want you to get that goddamned thing away from them.

You're not normal. Can't you understand that? When the mere sight of your fixation can cause panic attacks, it's time to give it up.

And don't try to argue with Dimensio. He's better at autism than actual autistic people.
 
2013-01-10 09:31:12 PM  
I would love to follow them around town calling them cowards. Just to see what they would do. I would be perfectly willing to explain to them why I thought they were cowards.
 
2013-01-10 09:31:18 PM  

dericwater: Dimensio: whither_apophis: Dimensio: KarmicDisaster: I wonder what the law would say if a CCW who felt threatened opened fire on them. Most of the laws are written very vaguely now, it you feel threatened, open fire! You know, there are a lot of things that you can do, like having sex, that aren't really appropriate in public.

I am aware of no law allowing the use of deadly force in public without a "reasonable" established fear of imminent grievous bodily injury -- including death -- kidnapping, sexual assault or arson. If the individuals were not actively threatening others -- and the legal, even if anti-social, act of carrying rifles as they did would not establish such "reasonable" belief -- then the use of deadly force would not be justified under any existing statute.

Do you skip all the "Florida" tagged links?

I do not believe that your question is related to my statement.

Re: Trayvon Martin.


Is that response an attempt to disprove my statement regarding laws related to use of deadly force?
 
2013-01-10 09:31:45 PM  

gingerjet: iheartscotch: How else do you suppose guns get from gun safes to shooting ranges.

Oh I don't know ... how 'bout properly stored in one's trunk?

/and even when carried it should be in storage container of some type
//gun safety 101 biatch


Hey skippy; I was being facetious.

My point was; it's gotta get transported from the house to the car.
 
2013-01-10 09:31:45 PM  

Lobster_of_Hate: ...and not a single law was broken.


If you walk down the street pretending that you're jerking off, you're not breaking the law either.

But don't hold for applause as you assert your 1st Amendment rights while doing it.
 
2013-01-10 09:32:18 PM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I have absolutely no problem admitting that the first time I was shot at in combat, I pissed myself and hid. I have no problem admitting that the first time I ever shot AT somebody in combat, I intentionally missed, hoping they'd just quit shooting at me.


Makes sense to me.

It takes 3 engagements to get your head on straight.
 
2013-01-10 09:32:27 PM  
How much you want to bet they think taxes are too high and government spending is out of control?
 
2013-01-10 09:32:30 PM  

omnibus_necanda_sunt: See, gun people? The average person just doesn't give a shiat about what you think, they just want you to get that goddamned thing away from them.

You're not normal. Can't you understand that? When the mere sight of your fixation can cause panic attacks, it's time to give it up.

And don't try to argue with Dimensio. He's better at autism than actual autistic people.


Insulting me will not validate your position.
 
2013-01-10 09:32:44 PM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: What is the difference between this...
thespecialistsltd.com

...and this?
images-kitup.military.com

Trick question...they are the same rifle, the AR-7.


So we aren't versed in gun wanker minutia.

And you are.

Congratulations!!
 
2013-01-10 09:33:19 PM  

KarmicDisaster: I wonder what the law would say if a CCW who felt threatened opened fire on them. Most of the laws are written very vaguely now, it you feel threatened, open fire! You know, there are a lot of things that you can do, like having sex, that aren't really appropriate in public.


I would think that the mere presence of a firearm would not be reason to open fire.
Perhaps if they were pointed at someone, and not merely slung over their shoulder, maybe, bu just because they are there ... not so much.
 
2013-01-10 09:33:35 PM  

serial_crusher: The men told officers they were hoping to educate the public about gun rights.
...
Officers said carrying firearms openly is legal

Sounds like the public needed a little education in that department.


Guys with guns isn't suspicious at all and should never be reported.
 
2013-01-10 09:33:47 PM  

Slutter McGee: I was visiting my granddad in OKC a couple of months ago. Was in a store and saw a big black guy with a handgun strapped on his belt. This person was not a police officer and looked more gangster than anything. Its funny. Nobody said a thing. Nobody was bothered. And I am sure a lot of people didn't even realize that Oklahoma had legalized open carry a few weeks before.

Frankly, it was nice to know that if some crazy came into the store shooting, there would be somebody that could defend us. Silly Libs, freaking out everytime you see a firearm.


Good thing you knew the criminal history and mental state of that big black gangster-lookin' guy!
 
2013-01-10 09:33:50 PM  

fusillade762: How much you want to bet they think taxes are too high and government spending is out of control?



In all fairness, spending is out of control.
 
2013-01-10 09:34:01 PM  
Looks like the public is more educated now. Good work.
 
2013-01-10 09:34:09 PM  

Dimensio: KarmicDisaster: I wonder what the law would say if a CCW who felt threatened opened fire on them. Most of the laws are written very vaguely now, it you feel threatened, open fire! You know, there are a lot of things that you can do, like having sex, that aren't really appropriate in public.

I am aware of no law allowing the use of deadly force in public without a "reasonable" established fear of imminent grievous bodily injury -- including death -- kidnapping, sexual assault or arson. If the individuals were not actively threatening others -- and the legal, even if anti-social, act of carrying rifles as they did would not establish such "reasonable" belief -- then the use of deadly force would not be justified under any existing statute.


The burden of proof has been decreased in many states to be "threatened". And in some state, like Texas, you can kill people for just property crimes, you don't have to be threatened at all. In fact, it does not even have to be your property. For example a member of the public killed a shoplifter in a parking lot in Texas, and was not prosecuted. In another case (not sure where, guessing FL) a guy stole a potted plant and the owner followed the thief to his car and killed him in the car. The owner was not threatened.  In another case, a guy saw someone breaking into his neighbors house, chased the intruder for blocks then killed him with a gun.  That's what "stand  your ground" is all about, apparently you no longer have to retreat, if you feel threatened you can kill someone. In fact, in many cases you can apparently pursue them.

Personally, if I were, say, a store owner, and these two fools walked in, one with an Arab scarf on his head, both with what look like real assault rifles and also pistols on their belts, I'm be ducking and grabbing for my piece.  If I fired at them in haste or out of fear I'm not sure any jury would convict me, especially if the weapons proved to be real and loaded. That's why the concealed part of concealed carry is there, so that does not happen. Hopefully most everyone can agree that these guys were idiots.
 
2013-01-10 09:34:43 PM  

MrEricSir: There's nothing the general public likes more than insensitive self-righteous pricks who think they know everything.


Wait, are you still talking about the two guys with guns?
 
2013-01-10 09:34:47 PM  

CthulhuCalling: Haliburton Cummings: CthulhuCalling: Haliburton Cummings: Dimensio: Haliburton Cummings: Facetious_Speciest:

Translation: Whrrrrgarbl


from a gun nut i take that as a compliment...

just a question;

when out shooting civilians, or babies in another country, why is that ok? ya know, shooting up a school for say "Uncle Sam" instead of say "shiats and giggles" here at home?

I'm just wondering about the cognitive dissonance there...

you seem like you may be an expert on the subject
 
2013-01-10 09:35:07 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Facetious_Speciest: That said, "look at me, I'm an attention whore!" seems about right.

Seems to be the perfect way to describe most of the people in Portland, Oregon.


Marc Maron came here and described a portion of the population who counterbalance the facial tattoo/elongated ear piercing set. ( I don't know what that thingy is called when you out discs in your ears and stretch them out.) He calls us "aggressively plain". We wear a lot of earth tones.

The NRA set is in the suburbs and Vantucky, where my brother lives. On if my sister's neighbors in Gresham won't come to the "big bad city" without a gun, which I find hysterical, especially given that the little girls who were kidnapped and murdered were in Oregon City (suburb), the mall shooting spree was in Clackamas (suburb), and I lived in a dead end in an industrial area (think Fight Club, but without the flooding or Brad Pitt) for years but never felt the need to shoot anyone.
 
2013-01-10 09:35:13 PM  

dericwater: Dimensio: whither_apophis: Dimensio: KarmicDisaster: I wonder what the law would say if a CCW who felt threatened opened fire on them. Most of the laws are written very vaguely now, it you feel threatened, open fire! You know, there are a lot of things that you can do, like having sex, that aren't really appropriate in public.

I am aware of no law allowing the use of deadly force in public without a "reasonable" established fear of imminent grievous bodily injury -- including death -- kidnapping, sexual assault or arson. If the individuals were not actively threatening others -- and the legal, even if anti-social, act of carrying rifles as they did would not establish such "reasonable" belief -- then the use of deadly force would not be justified under any existing statute.

Do you skip all the "Florida" tagged links?

I do not believe that your question is related to my statement.

Re: Trayvon Martin.

 
2013-01-10 09:35:17 PM  
jaytkay

So we aren't versed in gun wanker minutia.

The origin of defining "assault rifle" lies with the military, not civilian gun owners.
 
2013-01-10 09:35:18 PM  
There are gun owners groups that do "public carry" events to prove the point but this was retarded. Kudos to the cops for being the grown ups and handling it well. As a refugee from Oregon I cant imagine this as anything but derp.

Leave the city slickers in Portland alone and they will leave you alone..... thats how Oregon works.
 
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