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2013-01-10 07:42:09 PM  

mscleo: I still can't believe that some people (especially those who drink) don't know how bad acetaminophen is for you.


I stopped taking that stuff a long time ago. It never seemed to do anything for me. I need my liver for the booze.


dk47: It is super annoying to weed out the cold pills / syrups that don't have acetaminophen in them. Stuff must be cheap to manufacture or something, I can't figure out why almost every brand has it. Even more annoying that I can't buy pseudoephedrine OTC anymore.


This probably isn't the reason here in the US, but I bought some painkillers that contained hydrocodone in Canada once and it had acetaminophen and caffeine added. The logic was it made it harder to distill out the hydrocodone.
 
2013-01-10 07:42:21 PM  
I had the flu at the end of the last semester, which screwed my grades. Anyway, I had it so bad that the only way I was able to actually get out of bed was by taking the hydrocodone I had from the dentist two weeks or so before I got the flu. It made life livable in regular (non-recreational) doses. I went from taking 10 minutes to walk from my bed to the bathroom (aka the next room) to being able to cook myself a meal and sit up for more than thirty seconds at a time. Pity people still try to stuff themselves full of 30 different chemicals just to feel slightly better.
 
2013-01-10 07:44:01 PM  

mgshamster: Here's the deal people. The therapeutic index (TI) of Tylenol is about 4. What this means is that the dose needed to produce a toxic effect (for Tylenol, it's the liver) is only 4 times greater than the dose needed for medicinal effects. That ratio is absolutely horrible. Normally, we want something that has a TI of 100 or more. The larger the TI, the better.

Oh, and if you are ever thinking of committing suicide via Tylenol, don't. Liver failure is a very painful way to die, and it takes days. Also, if you're an alcoholic, I strongly recommend that you avoid Tylenol or any other product that has acetaminophen (aka paracetamol) in it.

/Toxicologist


Basically everybody on Fark needs to stop taking acetaminophen, it's really nasty shait.

These warning about acetaminophen aren't your average everyday media fear mongering, it's a real problem. Acetaminophen is the leading cause of acute liver failure, beats the pants off of alcohol, though chronic liver problems alcohol is the number 1.
 
2013-01-10 07:44:10 PM  

MurphyMurphy: mgshamster: Here's the deal people. The therapeutic index (TI) of Tylenol is about 4. What this means is that the dose needed to produce a toxic effect (for Tylenol, it's the liver) is only 4 times greater than the dose needed for medicinal effects. That ratio is absolutely horrible. Normally, we want something that has a TI of 100 or more. The larger the TI, the better.

Oh, and if you are ever thinking of committing suicide via Tylenol, don't. Liver failure is a very painful way to die, and it takes days. Also, if you're an alcoholic, I strongly recommend that you avoid Tylenol or any other product that has acetaminophen (aka paracetamol) in it.

/Toxicologist

This really can't be stressed enough.

This shiat is the cause of more liver failures than anything. That includes alcohol and tylenol + alcohol incidents. And let's not forget how harsh it is on the kidneys too.

If you like to drink alcohol AT ALL (forget whether you are or are not an alcoholic) if you have more than 3 alcoholic beverages per week I would swear off of the stuff entirely. Along with any NSAIDs.

If it is so dangerous, why is it on the shelf and consumed in the quantities that it is?
Why do large banks seem to be immune to prosecutions?



I agree that if you enjoy alcohol of any amount, you should avoid tylenol. Some people's livers are more sensitive to tylenol's effects than others, and they can be damaged by even very small amounts of tylenol + alcohol.

As for NSAID's, I prefer naproxen (aka Aleve). It's the least harmful to the GI tract and heart as far as I know. That said, they should always be used sparingly and not daily if it can be avoided.
 
2013-01-10 07:50:03 PM  

TheDirtyNacho: MurphyMurphy: mgshamster: Here's the deal people. The therapeutic index (TI) of Tylenol is about 4. What this means is that the dose needed to produce a toxic effect (for Tylenol, it's the liver) is only 4 times greater than the dose needed for medicinal effects. That ratio is absolutely horrible. Normally, we want something that has a TI of 100 or more. The larger the TI, the better.

Oh, and if you are ever thinking of committing suicide via Tylenol, don't. Liver failure is a very painful way to die, and it takes days. Also, if you're an alcoholic, I strongly recommend that you avoid Tylenol or any other product that has acetaminophen (aka paracetamol) in it.

/Toxicologist

This really can't be stressed enough.

This shiat is the cause of more liver failures than anything. That includes alcohol and tylenol + alcohol incidents. And let's not forget how harsh it is on the kidneys too.

If you like to drink alcohol AT ALL (forget whether you are or are not an alcoholic) if you have more than 3 alcoholic beverages per week I would swear off of the stuff entirely. Along with any NSAIDs.

If it is so dangerous, why is it on the shelf and consumed in the quantities that it is?
Why do large banks seem to be immune to prosecutions?


I agree that if you enjoy alcohol of any amount, you should avoid tylenol. Some people's livers are more sensitive to tylenol's effects than others, and they can be damaged by even very small amounts of tylenol + alcohol.

As for NSAID's, I prefer naproxen (aka Aleve). It's the least harmful to the GI tract and heart as far as I know. That said, they should always be used sparingly and not daily if it can be avoided.


I use naproxen or ibuprofen. My wife prefers the latter. Interestingly enough, both those have been shown to have teratogenic effects, while acetaminophen has not - at least for pregnancy, I'm not sure about other developmental periods.
 
2013-01-10 07:51:37 PM  
I concur!
www.thealmightyguru.com
 
2013-01-10 07:52:40 PM  

dennysgod: mgshamster: Here's the deal people. The therapeutic index (TI) of Tylenol is about 4. What this means is that the dose needed to produce a toxic effect (for Tylenol, it's the liver) is only 4 times greater than the dose needed for medicinal effects. That ratio is absolutely horrible. Normally, we want something that has a TI of 100 or more. The larger the TI, the better.

Oh, and if you are ever thinking of committing suicide via Tylenol, don't. Liver failure is a very painful way to die, and it takes days. Also, if you're an alcoholic, I strongly recommend that you avoid Tylenol or any other product that has acetaminophen (aka paracetamol) in it.

/Toxicologist

Basically everybody on Fark needs to stop taking acetaminophen, it's really nasty shait.

These warning about acetaminophen aren't your average everyday media fear mongering, it's a real problem. Acetaminophen is the leading cause of acute liver failure, beats the pants off of alcohol, though chronic liver problems alcohol is the number 1.


There's a reason that the amount of APAP in hydrocodone/APAP (and potentially oxycodone) combos is being reduced to 325mg max. Folks will be taking that, then take acetaminophen for a headache (or as part of a cold medicine) and happily destroy their liver.

Good times - but that higher strengths will be off the market after 12/31/13, IIRC.
 
2013-01-10 07:52:51 PM  

moefuggenbrew: A friend of mine sells a tylenol alternative:  shameless plug

;)


From the description -- it is rapidly absorbed through the skin and can carry other compounds with it -- this is almost certainly DMSO witn something like aspirin or Tylenol in it. Similar idea to Ben- Gay, which basically just absorbs aspirin into the skin.

Aside from a galicky taste in the mouth, another side effect is that it can dissolve contaminants, carcinogens, etc. that are on the skin and allow you to absorb in into the bloodstream. It was once touted as a cure-all, but now is used in very specifc clinical and lab settings. (Great solvent in the lab.)

You should feel bad, and your friend is a bad person.
 
2013-01-10 07:53:24 PM  

TheDirtyNacho: MurphyMurphy: mgshamster: Here's the deal people. The therapeutic index (TI) of Tylenol is about 4. What this means is that the dose needed to produce a toxic effect (for Tylenol, it's the liver) is only 4 times greater than the dose needed for medicinal effects. That ratio is absolutely horrible. Normally, we want something that has a TI of 100 or more. The larger the TI, the better.

Oh, and if you are ever thinking of committing suicide via Tylenol, don't. Liver failure is a very painful way to die, and it takes days. Also, if you're an alcoholic, I strongly recommend that you avoid Tylenol or any other product that has acetaminophen (aka paracetamol) in it.

/Toxicologist

This really can't be stressed enough.

This shiat is the cause of more liver failures than anything. That includes alcohol and tylenol + alcohol incidents. And let's not forget how harsh it is on the kidneys too.

If you like to drink alcohol AT ALL (forget whether you are or are not an alcoholic) if you have more than 3 alcoholic beverages per week I would swear off of the stuff entirely. Along with any NSAIDs.

If it is so dangerous, why is it on the shelf and consumed in the quantities that it is?
Why do large banks seem to be immune to prosecutions?


I agree that if you enjoy alcohol of any amount, you should avoid tylenol. Some people's livers are more sensitive to tylenol's effects than others, and they can be damaged by even very small amounts of tylenol + alcohol.

As for NSAID's, I prefer naproxen (aka Aleve). It's the least harmful to the GI tract and heart as far as I know. That said, they should always be used sparingly and not daily if it can be avoided.


I'm on a daily dose of meloxicam, and it's reduced my alcohol consumption to 1 or 2 drinks a week. Any much more than that makes it feel like my stomach is on fire. I tried taking some ibuprofen for a minor knee sprain not long after I started on the meloxicam, and that was even worse. Haven't had any OTC NSAIDs since.

I'm well aware that it's burning a hole in my stomach, but I figure that by the time it does, I'll either be on something far more toxic, or my spine will have fused together, so I just try not to think about it too much.
 
2013-01-10 07:53:35 PM  

MurphyMurphy: If you like to drink alcohol AT ALL (forget whether you are or are not an alcoholic) if you have more than 3 alcoholic beverages per week I would swear off of the stuff entirely. Along with any NSAIDs.


I think you're being a bit hyperbolic suggesting that people swear off all NSAIDs. Let's not forget that millions of people use these drugs daily and safely with no adverse effects. Also, there are some cases (e.g. extreme fever) where taking fever reducing medication is well worth the risk of side effects.
 
2013-01-10 07:54:50 PM  
If you have the strength to go on tv and be interviewed, you don't have the farking flu.
 
2013-01-10 07:55:12 PM  
If you have pain pills with acetaminophen, crush them between two like teaspoons, then stir the resultant powder in ice water, then decant and drink the liquid.
 
2013-01-10 07:55:17 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: eraser8: FTFA: The flu is affecting more people than anticipated this season, and many sufferers are scouting drugstore isles in search of remedies to help combat the illness.

Drugstore isles?  Isles?  Really, CBS?

Ahoy, mateys! We sail at high tide for CVS Cove. Yarrrr.


This made me laugh way harder than it should have. I blame the meds I'm on for bronchitis. They've made me so jazzed up and loopy that I can barely stand myself.

A Tylenol OD is a shiatty way to go. Mostly it doesn't kill you, but it farks your liver up. And the treatment to attempt to halt the of process is harsh. You can technically OD by taking more than #6 500mg tablets in 24 hours.

And on that note:

Reporter: What kind of plane is it?
Johnny: Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big Tylenol.
 
2013-01-10 08:00:45 PM  

911Jenny: lousyskater: My body decided to go hipster and get me Bronchitis instead of the Flu everyone else is getting.

I had bronchitis before it was mainstream.


/cough
//cough cough
//cough cough cough cough
///seriously, please make it go away.


Same. Spouse and I are totally farked up with some sort of cold. But it's definitely a cold, not the flu. I guess that's better, though I still wish I could breathe.
 
2013-01-10 08:06:34 PM  
Benadryl makes me flip out in the middle of the night sometimes.
 
2013-01-10 08:07:14 PM  

lake_huron: moefuggenbrew: A friend of mine sells a tylenol alternative:  shameless plug

;)

From the description -- it is rapidly absorbed through the skin and can carry other compounds with it -- this is almost certainly DMSO witn something like aspirin or Tylenol in it. Similar idea to Ben- Gay, which basically just absorbs aspirin into the skin.

Aside from a galicky taste in the mouth, another side effect is that it can dissolve contaminants, carcinogens, etc. that are on the skin and allow you to absorb in into the bloodstream. It was once touted as a cure-all, but now is used in very specifc clinical and lab settings. (Great solvent in the lab.)

You should feel bad, and your friend is a bad person.


It's not necessarily DMSO. Although if it does have a garlic-like taste after the application, then yes, you're right. However, any lipophilic solvent will have the same effect.
 
2013-01-10 08:08:36 PM  
widespreadpanic.s3.amazonaws.com
 
2013-01-10 08:09:02 PM  
In college I drank a bottle of cold medicine just for the DXM trip. Later learned I should have bought the kind only for cough, not the one with benadryl and acetominophen in it too. My liver feels a little heavy, but otherwise it's fine.
 
2013-01-10 08:11:20 PM  

kidakita: Every year it's the same old deal. Killer flu season. Killer West Nile Virus. Killer Hantavirus. Killer Norovirus. Killer Tylenol. Killer BEES ARE COMING TO THE UNITED STATES! Killer bees is my favorite scare tactic. I love reminding people that there can't be anyone left south of the border what with all those killer bees flying around down there.


Guess you don't know anyone who has died from a bee attack!

/dumbass
 
2013-01-10 08:12:33 PM  

3rdtimearound: would be so much safer if they just replaced it with Oxycodone


Except that wouldn't fix a dangerously high fever, which is the main reason to give someone Tylenol in the first place in my opinion.

I've quit taking Tylenol and switched to Naproxen (Aleve) since I get better results. But I only take it for headaches, as directed, without alcohol, after water and a snack don't work.

I have never been extremely sick, but I don't take cold/cough/whatever medicine. I don't eat for a few days, I drink water/honey/lemon or gatorade if its a GI thing, I take a hot shower to decongest. If I had a kid and they got the flu I would go for Tamiflu though and I would be much more worried about them getting much sicker than I would.

Now during allergy season, I will take Benadryl and generic Allegra every day so I can't talk about not being dependent on drugs.
 
2013-01-10 08:24:14 PM  
The therapeutic dose and the lethal dose for acetaminophen are closer than many drugs. Plus, in my case at least, it doesn't seem to kill pain much at all. Aspirin and ibuprofen work better for me.
 
2013-01-10 08:26:22 PM  

mgshamster: Here's the deal people. The therapeutic index (TI) of Tylenol is about 4. What this means is that the dose needed to produce a toxic effect (for Tylenol, it's the liver) is only 4 times greater than the dose needed for medicinal effects. That ratio is absolutely horrible. Normally, we want something that has a TI of 100 or more. The larger the TI, the better.

Oh, and if you are ever thinking of committing suicide via Tylenol, don't. Liver failure is a very painful way to die, and it takes days. Also, if you're an alcoholic, I strongly recommend that you avoid Tylenol or any other product that has acetaminophen (aka paracetamol) in it.

/Toxicologist


You said it better than I did, and you said it first. I blame it on the alcohol I'm consuming. :)
 
2013-01-10 08:26:38 PM  

assjuice: In college I drank a bottle of cold medicine just for the DXM trip. Later learned I should have bought the kind only for cough, not the one with benadryl and acetominophen in it too. My liver feels a little heavy, but otherwise it's fine.


and in high school i abused hydrocodone
hey everyone's done stupid stuff
 
2013-01-10 08:28:51 PM  

Snarfangel: The therapeutic dose and the lethal dose for acetaminophen are closer than many drugs. Plus, in my case at least, it doesn't seem to kill pain much at all. Aspirin and ibuprofen work better for me.


I know what you mean.  Acetaminophen doesn't work at all for me.  Ibuprofen works great...but, I've been forbidden to use it.

So, I'm kinda f*cked.
 
2013-01-10 08:29:23 PM  

insano: MurphyMurphy: If you like to drink alcohol AT ALL (forget whether you are or are not an alcoholic) if you have more than 3 alcoholic beverages per week I would swear off of the stuff entirely. Along with any NSAIDs.

I think you're being a bit hyperbolic suggesting that people swear off all NSAIDs. Let's not forget that millions of people use these drugs daily and safely with no adverse effects. Also, there are some cases (e.g. extreme fever) where taking fever reducing medication is well worth the risk of side effects.


Sure, that's a fair statement. In fact, even though I avoid these products like the plague because of my own past issues I will use fever reducer in the rare event I get a nasty bug that puts me over 99F.

But I should say that before I ever had any problems with NSAIDs, I used them for years with no adverse effects. Many things work ok until they don't anymore.

People should certainly be much more aware of what these products do (can do)... I grew up learning they were as innocuous as drinking a glass of water, which was dangerously incorrect.
 
2013-01-10 08:29:25 PM  
They totally missed this years bug. Everyone I know but me got a flu shot and they all have gotten sick. I'm staying inside, barricaded with guns and beans.

Come at me bro.
 
2013-01-10 08:29:49 PM  

mgshamster: Here's the deal people. The therapeutic index (TI) of Tylenol is about 4. What this means is that the dose needed to produce a toxic effect (for Tylenol, it's the liver) is only 4 times greater than the dose needed for medicinal effects. That ratio is absolutely horrible. Normally, we want something that has a TI of 100 or more. The larger the TI, the better.

Oh, and if you are ever thinking of committing suicide via Tylenol, don't. Liver failure is a very painful way to die, and it takes days. Also, if you're an alcoholic, I strongly recommend that you avoid Tylenol or any other product that has acetaminophen (aka paracetamol) in it.

/Toxicologist


Let's say I drink too much. Nyquil okay?
 
2013-01-10 08:30:17 PM  
Tylenol is poison...I always go ibuprofen.
 
2013-01-10 08:31:31 PM  

The Irresponsible Captain: Yeah, I stopped buying Tylenol years ago because it's in everything. Aspirin is pretty good for most things plus it has several beneficial side effects, and ibuprofen is a better pain killer.


This.

I buy the cold and flu meds without Tylenol, then just take Advil as needed. It works better and I really want the decongestant more often than the pain/fever reducer anyways.
 
2013-01-10 08:33:09 PM  

findthefish: Tylenol is poison...I always go ibuprofen.


i go to aspirin
cause it tastes like ass
parin
 
2013-01-10 08:34:00 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: They totally missed this years bug. Everyone I know but me got a flu shot and they all have gotten sick. I'm staying inside, barricaded with guns and beans.


I've had a flu shot...and, I haven't gotten sick.

But, I like beans and guns.  So, can I hang out with you?

We can deal with the gas on a fart by fart basis.
 
2013-01-10 08:37:51 PM  

alcoda: mgshamster: Here's the deal people. The therapeutic index (TI) of Tylenol is about 4. What this means is that the dose needed to produce a toxic effect (for Tylenol, it's the liver) is only 4 times greater than the dose needed for medicinal effects. That ratio is absolutely horrible. Normally, we want something that has a TI of 100 or more. The larger the TI, the better.

Oh, and if you are ever thinking of committing suicide via Tylenol, don't. Liver failure is a very painful way to die, and it takes days. Also, if you're an alcoholic, I strongly recommend that you avoid Tylenol or any other product that has acetaminophen (aka paracetamol) in it.

/Toxicologist

Let's say I drink too much. Nyquil okay?


Without looking at the ingredients list, I can tell you right away that it's something you should avoid. Both alcohol and NyQuil are depressants, which make you pass out and can slow your repertory system down. It can be a dangerous combination.

Looking at the ingredients list, it has acetomeniphen in it, so I would generally recommend not to combine it with alcohol.

What are you using it for? If you need a cough suppressant, just take a generic drug that has dextromethorphan in it, and you should be fine.

/Off to dinner with Mrs. Hamster
 
2013-01-10 08:38:34 PM  

findthefish: Tylenol is poison...I always go ibuprofen.


Technically, everything is a poison in the right dose.
 
2013-01-10 08:40:25 PM  

mgshamster: alcoda: mgshamster: Here's the deal people. The therapeutic index (TI) of Tylenol is about 4. What this means is that the dose needed to produce a toxic effect (for Tylenol, it's the liver) is only 4 times greater than the dose needed for medicinal effects. That ratio is absolutely horrible. Normally, we want something that has a TI of 100 or more. The larger the TI, the better.

Oh, and if you are ever thinking of committing suicide via Tylenol, don't. Liver failure is a very painful way to die, and it takes days. Also, if you're an alcoholic, I strongly recommend that you avoid Tylenol or any other product that has acetaminophen (aka paracetamol) in it.

/Toxicologist

Let's say I drink too much. Nyquil okay?

Without looking at the ingredients list, I can tell you right away that it's something you should avoid. Both alcohol and NyQuil are depressants, which make you pass out and can slow your repertory system down. It can be a dangerous combination.

Looking at the ingredients list, it has acetomeniphen in it, so I would generally recommend not to combine it with alcohol.

What are you using it for? If you need a cough suppressant, just take a generic drug that has dextromethorphan in it, and you should be fine.

/Off to dinner with Mrs. Hamster


thank you for the education
 
2013-01-10 08:45:29 PM  
I wish you could sue people for coming into work/office sick. If that irresponsible annoying b*tch gets me sick and screws my grades and blows my 4.0, I'm going to be super pissed. I'm pounding airborne, fluids and healthy food with naps and fresh air. I hardly ever get sick and when I start feeling bad I immediately try to sleep it off which works most of the time.

/runny nose, slight cough and slight fever
//yes I took Nyquil to try to sleep it off.
///Hopefully my liver will be alright. Directions say warn against 3 alcoholic drinks PER DAY while taking it. I dont think Ive ever had more than 2 in one sitting ever.
////lightweight

healthy thoughts to everyone.
 
2013-01-10 09:03:11 PM  
It boggles my mind that there are adults living and breathing amongst us, who are basically able to function in society, but adamantly refuse to figure this out on their own.

The "flu" that's got them down is most likely from overdosing on three different brands of cold medicine they took simultaneously, most of which have active ingredients that don't treat their actual symptoms.
 
2013-01-10 09:03:53 PM  
At my previous job, the guy in the next cubicle swallowed oil of oregano as a cure for colds/flu. He smelled like Italian pizza for weeks at a time and didn't seem to get over those viruses any quicker...
 
2013-01-10 09:03:54 PM  

alcoda: mgshamster: alcoda: mgshamster: Here's the deal people. The therapeutic index (TI) of Tylenol is about 4. What this means is that the dose needed to produce a toxic effect (for Tylenol, it's the liver) is only 4 times greater than the dose needed for medicinal effects. That ratio is absolutely horrible. Normally, we want something that has a TI of 100 or more. The larger the TI, the better.

Oh, and if you are ever thinking of committing suicide via Tylenol, don't. Liver failure is a very painful way to die, and it takes days. Also, if you're an alcoholic, I strongly recommend that you avoid Tylenol or any other product that has acetaminophen (aka paracetamol) in it.

/Toxicologist

Let's say I drink too much. Nyquil okay?

Without looking at the ingredients list, I can tell you right away that it's something you should avoid. Both alcohol and NyQuil are depressants, which make you pass out and can slow your repertory system down. It can be a dangerous combination.

Looking at the ingredients list, it has acetomeniphen in it, so I would generally recommend not to combine it with alcohol.

What are you using it for? If you need a cough suppressant, just take a generic drug that has dextromethorphan in it, and you should be fine.

/Off to dinner with Mrs. Hamster

thank you for the education


I'm waiting for my table, and I have a smartphone, so I can make a comment for now. Basically, nyquil just combines several drugs in an easy to use package for a good price. You can easily look at the ingredients list and find the generics for each drug and take those individually. It might cost a bit more, but it allowed you to remove the drugs you don't want to take. Also, might want to look at the ingredients for dayquil, so you can avoid the depressant effect with alcohol. If I remember right, it's the antihistamine that causes the drowsiness in nyquil.
 
2013-01-10 09:08:35 PM  

3rdtimearound: would be so much safer if they just replaced it with Oxycodone


If it were the new formula, yeah. In fact my brother almost died of liver failure from percocet due to the acetaminophen, the only reason he was on percocet is the fear of oxy.
 
2013-01-10 09:14:08 PM  

spidermilk: 3rdtimearound: would be so much safer if they just replaced it with Oxycodone

Except that wouldn't fix a dangerously high fever, which is the main reason to give someone Tylenol in the first place in my opinion.

I've quit taking Tylenol and switched to Naproxen (Aleve) since I get better results. But I only take it for headaches, as directed, without alcohol, after water and a snack don't work.

I have never been extremely sick, but I don't take cold/cough/whatever medicine. I don't eat for a few days, I drink water/honey/lemon or gatorade if its a GI thing, I take a hot shower to decongest. If I had a kid and they got the flu I would go for Tamiflu though and I would be much more worried about them getting much sicker than I would.

Now during allergy season, I will take Benadryl and generic Allegra every day so I can't talk about not being dependent on drugs.


On a more serious note, Aleve is much more effective for me than Tylenol is. Tylenol is just bad stuff to take long-term.
 
2013-01-10 09:18:30 PM  

robodog: 3rdtimearound: would be so much safer if they just replaced it with Oxycodone

If it were the new formula, yeah. In fact my brother almost died of liver failure from percocet due to the acetaminophen, the only reason he was on percocet is the fear of oxy.


Pure Oxycodone would be safer because it contains no Acetaminophen, but I can certainly understand the fear of addiction issue. Oxy without APAP is safer on the liver, but if you take it all the time you may stop breathing.  Again, I hope no one took my suggestion seriously - I'd never suggest strong opioids be available freely like that, not in earnest anyway.
 
2013-01-10 09:18:57 PM  
FTA: "It's safe as long as you take it at the right dose,"

In other words, listen to your pharmacist and/or doctor. Hell, just ask the store pharmacist where you're buying your Tylenol. They'll give you free consulting and advice on any medications you may use, whether it's OTC or prescription.
 
2013-01-10 09:23:13 PM  

Zarquon's Flat Tire: This is not a repeat from 1982.


Came in here to wonder that, myself.
 
2013-01-10 09:24:45 PM  

mgshamster: From the description -- it is rapidly absorbed through the skin and can carry other compounds with it -- this is almost certainly DMSO witn something like aspirin or Tylenol in it. Similar idea to Ben- Gay, which basically just absorbs aspirin into the skin.


no dude, it's IPA, aspirin and glycerin. transdermals about as good as dmso, actually, but doesn't carry other things along for the ride. i'm a formulations chemist in the herbal space, so i'm really getting a kick outta these replies.

dmso, b.t.w., is RAD - - too bad it's freaking expensive, especially for ACS or HPLC'ish grade stuff.
 
2013-01-10 09:25:17 PM  

Coastalgrl: I wish you could sue people for coming into work/office sick. If that irresponsible annoying b*tch gets me sick and screws my grades and blows my 4.0, I'm going to be super pissed. I'm pounding airborne, fluids and healthy food with naps and fresh air. I hardly ever get sick and when I start feeling bad I immediately try to sleep it off which works most of the time.

/runny nose, slight cough and slight fever
//yes I took Nyquil to try to sleep it off.
///Hopefully my liver will be alright. Directions say warn against 3 alcoholic drinks PER DAY while taking it. I dont think Ive ever had more than 2 in one sitting ever.
////lightweight

healthy thoughts to everyone.


Airborne is a sham. Zinc has been proven to help with flu, Tamiflu can help with flu if you take it early enough. For all other "cures" there is just no science supporting them.

The high levels of Vitamin C in Airborne can cause kidney stones or worsen kidney disease. High levels of Vitamin E and Magnesium can also cause side effects like nausea, headaches, tiredness, etc. (which you would probably assume were the flu). Also, there is no proof that anti-oxidant supplements prevent cancer or have any medical benefit and some evidence that they could actually cause cancer.

/stick with fruits and vegetables!
 
2013-01-10 09:29:36 PM  

spidermilk: Airborne is a sham. Zinc has been proven to help with flu, Tamiflu can help with flu if you take it early enough. For all other "cures" there is just no science supporting them.

The high levels of Vitamin C in Airborne can cause kidney stones or worsen kidney disease. High levels of Vitamin E and Magnesium can also cause side effects like nausea, headaches, tiredness, etc. (which you would probably assume were the flu). Also, there is no proof that anti-oxidant supplements prevent cancer or have any medical benefit and some evidence that they could actually cause cancer.

/stick with fruits and vegetables!


i like you.

the glycosylation patterns on sugars on plant cells mimic those of cold and flu viri, so by eating fruits and vegetables, like you're supposed to, yah, you really do get prevention.

if u want a pill, take AGP from echinacea for the same crap.
 
2013-01-10 09:30:30 PM  

utah dude: the glycosylation patterns on sugars on plant cells mimic those of cold and flu viri, so by eating fruits and vegetables, like you're supposed to, yah, you really do get prevention.


of sugars on plant cells. ... prime immune system.

crap i'm tired. it's snowing. grr.
 
2013-01-10 09:33:45 PM  

spidermilk: 3rdtimearound: would be so much safer if they just replaced it with Oxycodone

Except that wouldn't fix a dangerously high fever, which is the main reason to give someone Tylenol in the first place in my opinion.

I've quit taking Tylenol and switched to Naproxen (Aleve) since I get better results. But I only take it for headaches, as directed, without alcohol, after water and a snack don't work.

I have never been extremely sick, but I don't take cold/cough/whatever medicine. I don't eat for a few days, I drink water/honey/lemon or gatorade if its a GI thing, I take a hot shower to decongest. If I had a kid and they got the flu I would go for Tamiflu though and I would be much more worried about them getting much sicker than I would.

Now during allergy season, I will take Benadryl and generic Allegra every day so I can't talk about not being dependent on drugs.



Try a nasal rinse for allergies. I was a daily cetirizine / zyrtec user until I discovered how much more effective physically rinsing the allergens out was. It's very simple and easy to do. Not at all uncomfortable.

And I can't be 100% certain, but I believe it also helps reduce cold and flu incidence as well. At least, I seem to suffer them a lot less.
 
2013-01-10 09:34:12 PM  

neongoats: Do people really still use Tylenol? It does nothing for me.


None of the NSAIDs do anything for me. I got a script of Naprox 550 (one pill is equivalent to 2.5 Aleves) and popped two at a time in vain hope it would help my back pain. Didn't do a thing.
 
2013-01-10 09:36:18 PM  
Will CBS news be reprimanded for forgetting to include "early flu season" in their headline?
 
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