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2013-01-10 02:40:19 PM  
I don't know about you, but I hold our right to be gunned down at random doing ordinary things to be sacrosanct.

Sir Not Sure The Unscannable: magic_patch: Clearly time to ban schoolsadults.

FTFY


Carousel!
 
2013-01-10 02:40:20 PM  

EyeballKid: Dynascape: You make Shotguns illegal and places like Cabellas are going to fark themselves.

A LOT of people who make a living on hunting will be *pissed*

I'm sure everybody in the 19th Century will be horrified.


We'll need to ban Deer, because hunters are the only guys keeping them in check in my state.

BAN ALL DEER!
 
2013-01-10 02:40:32 PM  

graeth: How could this happen? It was a gun free zone!


Congratulations! You are the 1,500,000th person to make this comment in a gun control thread! Call 1-800-UPARROT to claim your prize!
 
2013-01-10 02:40:33 PM  
I just joined the IRA to show my support for gun owners.

That's the right one to join, right?
 
2013-01-10 02:40:43 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: whidbey: You mean it's time to try discussing the need for a decent revised set of gun regulation laws while being bullied by gun enthusiasts spouting a bunch of specs to muddy the discussion.

Yeah I believe I summed that one up correctly.

Yes, those evil gun owners with their 'facts' and 'statistics'. Why can't they argue from emotion and ignorance like reasonable people?


Thats the sound of you muddying the line between why the law needs has to change and why you think it doesn't. Your 'facts' and 'statistics' realllllyyyy dont farking matter.
 
2013-01-10 02:40:56 PM  

Joe Blowme: You obviously have no children nor do you understand ..... wait.... Why are you being purposely obtuse? Ahhhh trolling and i bit... my bad


Nope, sorry. No kids, and I just don't agree with you and think you're full of shiat.
 
2013-01-10 02:41:21 PM  

djh0101010: Lexx: It's like you think criminals get their guns legally NOW, or something. Is it really that hard to understand that criminals, by definition, DON'T FOLLOW THE LAWS about this sort of thing?

The Connecticut shooting was with legally owned guns. Also the point of that insurance would be to help counter the danger of guns by A: making them more difficult to obtain, B: making them more expensive to own, and C: creating a pool of money with which to help out the shooting victims, fund mental health treatment, etc etc.

Really? Killing his mom and stealing her guns counts as "legally" in your mind? As someoene under the age of 21 in Connecticut, he's already banned from possessing a handgun, yet he stole those too.


No, it was totally legal because after her evac'd her skull........oops, nope he stole them.
 
2013-01-10 02:41:21 PM  

chuckufarlie: How many children have to die before you see that there is a problem? An estimate would be okay - just give us your number.


When guns become the top killer of children, then we can talk. Until then, we should focus on the things that kill MORE children than guns, don't you think?
 
2013-01-10 02:41:32 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Dimensio: This incident is clearly a result of poor firearm regulation.

Perhaps.

Had the state of California substantially restricted access to handguns, prevented civilians from carrying firearms in public and enacted a "one-feature" based "assault weapons ban" and a prohibition upon "high-capacity" magazines, this incident could have been averted.

It was a shotgun apparently. So it looks like all of that worked.

You're on board with additional restrictions then, yes?


I would suggest that blanket prohibitions upon firearm classes, prohibiting civilians from obtaining them under any circumstances, is a demonstrable failure as implemented in California and that more effective -- and reasonable -- controls would regulate firearm access to render access by criminal or mentally ill individuals less likely and to hold those who provide firearms to such individuals legally responsible for doing so while not prohibiting civilians who are not disqualified from possessing them.

Unfortunately, as I have stated, "gun rights" advocacy organizations oppose any new regulations upon firearm access and "gun control" advocacy organizations oppose any regulations that do not entirely prohibit civilian access to classes of firearms.
 
2013-01-10 02:41:42 PM  

tricycleracer: That's the right one to join, right?


Well, it's a more responsible one to join anyway.
 
2013-01-10 02:42:01 PM  

jigger: Lexx: How about a law that enforces biometric (ie grip) gun locks? Only YOU can shoot your gun

If the battery is good and the mechanism is reliable. Would you trust it during a home invasion?


Hell no I wouldn't. I'm not hanging anything off my 1911 that JMB didn't design to be there.
 
2013-01-10 02:42:08 PM  

amquelbettamin: Just renewed.....ahhhhhh

"Thank you for joining the NRA. We appreciate your interest in protecting and preserving our Second Amendment rights and promoting safe, responsible gun ownership.

Your credit card will be billed for $35.00* for a 1 Year Membership in the National Rifle Association with "America's First Freedom" as your magazine choice."


I need to renew my membership....I let it slip a few months ago.

/Also going to join The Second Amendment Foundation.
 
2013-01-10 02:42:41 PM  

GoldSpider: When guns become the top killer of children, then we can talk. Until then, we should focus on the things that kill MORE children than guns, don't you think?


Since that's not how prioritization works, no.

Do you also have a terrible time understanding how to prioritize other things in your life or do you choose to restrict your extreme ignorance on the matter to this one topic?
 
2013-01-10 02:42:47 PM  

tricycleracer: I just joined the IRA to show my support for gun owners.

That's the right one to join, right?


www.elmer-iga.com
Close, but no cigar.
 
2013-01-10 02:43:10 PM  

The_Sponge: amquelbettamin: Just renewed.....ahhhhhh

"Thank you for joining the NRA. We appreciate your interest in protecting and preserving our Second Amendment rights and promoting safe, responsible gun ownership.

Your credit card will be billed for $35.00* for a 1 Year Membership in the National Rifle Association with "America's First Freedom" as your magazine choice."

I need to renew my membership....I let it slip a few months ago.

/Also going to join The Second Amendment Foundation.


Enjoy throwing your money away. As 2012 showed, the NRA is not viable as a political action committee anymore.
 
2013-01-10 02:43:10 PM  

Cyberluddite: I'm not sure they have a lot of gang activity in Taft, California, a podunk (~ 10,000 population) town set amid the oil fields of Kern County, about a half-hour from Bakersfield.


I went to a public high school in the Central Valley of California in a town with half that population and there were gangs. A couple of Latino gangs and a Hmong gang. Not that I'm saying any one race is more likely to form a gang than another. Just saying.
 
2013-01-10 02:43:42 PM  
trickymoo: 'facts' and 'statistics' realllllyyyy dont farking matter.

I have no words for how stupid that statement is.
 
2013-01-10 02:43:57 PM  

Vodka Zombie: Guns give an unfair advantage to people who deserve to get their asses kicked.


You see, a gun is real easy
In this desperate part of town
Turns you from hunted into hunter
Gonna hunt somebody down
 
2013-01-10 02:44:06 PM  

EyeballKid: tricycleracer: I just joined the IRA to show my support for gun owners.

That's the right one to join, right?

[www.elmer-iga.com image 600x385]
Close, but no cigar.


Are you sure?  These guys were some really fun Irishmen who sure do love guns.
 
2013-01-10 02:44:09 PM  
Anyone else notice that these things always happen in "gun-free" zones in states with the most restrictive gun laws?

Coincidence? You decide.
 
2013-01-10 02:44:20 PM  

The_Sponge: amquelbettamin: Just renewed.....ahhhhhh

"Thank you for joining the NRA. We appreciate your interest in protecting and preserving our Second Amendment rights and promoting safe, responsible gun ownership.

Your credit card will be billed for $35.00* for a 1 Year Membership in the National Rifle Association with "America's First Freedom" as your magazine choice."

I need to renew my membership....I let it slip a few months ago.

/Also going to join The Second Amendment Foundation.


They need the numbers to pressure the vote loving monkeys at capital hill
 
2013-01-10 02:44:45 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: GoldSpider: When guns become the top killer of children, then we can talk. Until then, we should focus on the things that kill MORE children than guns, don't you think?

Since that's not how prioritization works, no.

Do you also have a terrible time understanding how to prioritize other things in your life or do you choose to restrict your extreme ignorance on the matter to this one topic?


Uh, that's exactly how prioritization works.
 
2013-01-10 02:45:52 PM  

Cuyose: Vegan Meat Popsicle: GoldSpider: When guns become the top killer of children, then we can talk. Until then, we should focus on the things that kill MORE children than guns, don't you think?

Since that's not how prioritization works, no.

Do you also have a terrible time understanding how to prioritize other things in your life or do you choose to restrict your extreme ignorance on the matter to this one topic?

Uh, that's exactly how prioritization works.


Not if your confirmation bias controls your brain.
 
2013-01-10 02:46:01 PM  
One of the main problems is, there are a given amount of firearms already in existence and finding ammo isn't exactly like trying to smuggle cocaine in from Columbia, so, yeah... when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have them. Them and the cops. And so far, being the meat in this tidy little criminal / anti-criminal industry sandwich hasn't done Billy Bloke a lot of good. Maybe we should just put all the gangstah boyees and the steroid crazed cops into a big stadium with enough full automatic weapons to start Viet Nam, v.2.0 and let THEM fight it out.
 
2013-01-10 02:46:33 PM  

toomuchmarisa: The My Little Pony Killer: The conversation for mental health care is still patiently waiting. Your call, America.

THIS. Spending 2 minutes on the internet is MORE than enough to hammer home the point that SO MANY people are farked up beyond belief. Seriously, we need to teach children how to deal with emotions... cause a lot of people have VERY serious emotional problems.

[img7.imageshack.us image 266x190]

/scares me to think how many of them also own guns


You know, there's more to the internet than just 4chan.
 
2013-01-10 02:46:52 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: The_Sponge: amquelbettamin: Just renewed.....ahhhhhh

"Thank you for joining the NRA. We appreciate your interest in protecting and preserving our Second Amendment rights and promoting safe, responsible gun ownership.

Your credit card will be billed for $35.00* for a 1 Year Membership in the National Rifle Association with "America's First Freedom" as your magazine choice."

I need to renew my membership....I let it slip a few months ago.

/Also going to join The Second Amendment Foundation.

Enjoy throwing your money away. As 2012 showed, the NRA is not viable as a political action committee anymore.


He's whines about taxes and throws money at organizations that spread misinformation. Typical.
 
2013-01-10 02:46:54 PM  

chuckufarlie: Joe Blowme: chuckufarlie: topcon: chuckufarlie: topcon: Gun murders have dropped for 20 years. But let's keep making bigger and bigger deals out of individual shootings to compensate for it, despite the fact violent crime is half of what it was in 1992.

How many children have to die before you see that there is a problem? An estimate would be okay - just give us your number.

Less and less people every year are dying to guns. Fact. Far less people are getting killed right now on a yearly basis than when the AWB was in effect.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-t h e-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl08.xls

[i.imgur.com image 850x397]

well, aren't you the smartest kid in the class! I asked you to answer a simple question and you totally failed. Are you afraid to answer that question? Cowardice and stupidity seem to run rampant in the pro-gun community.

You are implying that it is okay to shoot and kill an entire classroom of children as long as the overall number of murders has been lowered. I will ask you again - How many more children need to die before you see that there is a problem?

And yet more children die from drunk driving every year than from guns, How many more children need to die before you see that there is a problem?

Your question is stupid. No more children need to die before I see that there is a problem. I see a problem with drunk drivers as well as with people shooting children.

You are acting as if it is and "either or" situation. Both problems need to be addressed You would rather allow children to be gunned down in schools because children are dying in other ways. You do not have the intelligence to realize that two or more problems can be addressed at the same time.


But you are screaming about a splinter and ignoring the gun shot wound. You just hate guns more than you hate liquor. You do not have the intelligence to realize that people can read my previous post and see i said nothing of the sort, but keep chucking that ficken.
 
2013-01-10 02:46:56 PM  

Dimensio: Lexx: How about a law that enforces biometric (ie grip) gun locks? Only YOU can shoot your gun, and thus YOU may be held responsible if someone gets shot with your gun.

How would the three-hundred million firearms already owned by the public be addressed? How would "rental" firearms available at firearm ranges be addressed? Would law enforcement be required to use such firearms? Does such technology actually exist and, if so, is it reliable?


Existing guns: put a law requiring the bio-trigger lock, and registration of the buyer's print to sell/transfer ownership. Firearm ranges: are already legally responsible for their pieces, so that's not an issue. Law enforcement: not really an issue, cops already get in a world of hurt if they ever lose their gun anyway. Yes the technology exists, and yes it is reliable.

Benefits: protects your kids from being able to use the gun. Prevents thieves from being able to use the gun.
 
2013-01-10 02:47:09 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: trickymoo: 'facts' and 'statistics' realllllyyyy dont farking matter.

I have no words for how stupid that statement is.


I have no words for an asshat like you and how tired we all are of hearing your boring "i still need mah guns'. Im pretty sure I can get a better response from others than 'well this gun can blah blah'
But no, please do go on on the day of yet another school shooting about how gun control is just not something that should be implemented.
 
2013-01-10 02:47:41 PM  

lordjupiter: Pfactor: But... high capacity magazines and military-looking rifles are ALREADY banned in California. Gun activists told us this couldn't happen!

Seriously...do you look at lines on a map and think they're forcefields?


Some people think these are.
cdn.compliancesigns.com
 
2013-01-10 02:47:42 PM  

chuckufarlie: Joe Blowme: chuckufarlie: topcon: chuckufarlie: topcon: Gun murders have dropped for 20 years. But let's keep making bigger and bigger deals out of individual shootings to compensate for it, despite the fact violent crime is half of what it was in 1992.

How many children have to die before you see that there is a problem? An estimate would be okay - just give us your number.

Less and less people every year are dying to guns. Fact. Far less people are getting killed right now on a yearly basis than when the AWB was in effect.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-t h e-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl08.xls

[i.imgur.com image 850x397]

well, aren't you the smartest kid in the class! I asked you to answer a simple question and you totally failed. Are you afraid to answer that question? Cowardice and stupidity seem to run rampant in the pro-gun community.

You are implying that it is okay to shoot and kill an entire classroom of children as long as the overall number of murders has been lowered. I will ask you again - How many more children need to die before you see that there is a problem?

And yet more children die from drunk driving every year than from guns, How many more children need to die before you see that there is a problem?

Your question is stupid. No more children need to die before I see that there is a problem. I see a problem with drunk drivers as well as with people shooting children.

You are acting as if it is and "either or" situation. Both problems need to be addressed You would rather allow children to be gunned down in schools because children are dying in other ways. You do not have the intelligence to realize that two or more problems can be addressed at the same time.


Let me pose this question, how come is it that there is such a push to "ban" firearms and not a push to "ban" alcohol? Alcohol has no other purpose when consumed other than inebriate you. The only thing stopping you from getting behind a wheel and driving after drinking is you (or your friends). Firearms, have multiple uses outside of killing people, yet this is what we choose to focus on.

We all saw how prohibition turned out, how would a prohibition on firearms turn out any differently?
 
2013-01-10 02:47:46 PM  

Lexx: How about a law that enforces biometric (ie grip) gun locks? Only YOU can shoot your gun, and thus YOU may be held responsible if someone gets shot with your gun.


like..magic guns? how about guns with rectal scanners too so when they have to check the safety there is a 50% chance the gun nut can blow his/her brains out?

i knew a gun nut once. used to ruin every party by trolling the conversation over to guns, then spout off.

a few years ago his daughter knocked a box off the shelf getting her ice skates and that box had his loaded and prized penis extension in it...

he now has all his guns but is minus a daughter , a wife and a job.
in between sips i'm sure he tells himself about how awesome his guns are...

they are awesome until it's one of yours...


good luck gunmerica.
 
2013-01-10 02:48:02 PM  

kombat_unit: Cuyose: Vegan Meat Popsicle: GoldSpider: When guns become the top killer of children, then we can talk. Until then, we should focus on the things that kill MORE children than guns, don't you think?

Since that's not how prioritization works, no.

Do you also have a terrible time understanding how to prioritize other things in your life or do you choose to restrict your extreme ignorance on the matter to this one topic?

Uh, that's exactly how prioritization works.

Not if your confirmation bias controls your brain.


Seriously I sometimes wonder if peoples judgment is so clouded on issues that they try and toss logic out the window. Ill save you from looking up the word prioritize, as I know what it means. I would find it entertaining to hear your definition however, it aught to be a real treat.
 
2013-01-10 02:48:04 PM  
Before 2012: Bakersfield shooting? Another day in LA.

After 2012: Will someone think of the children?
 
2013-01-10 02:48:17 PM  

Dynascape: You make Shotguns illegal and places like Cabellas are going to fark themselves.

A LOT of people who make a living on hunting will be *pissed*


They're just pissed because they have small penises.

southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com
 
2013-01-10 02:48:29 PM  
Two people. I was hoping to hear one shot came from the gunman, the other from a citizen that returned fire.
 
2013-01-10 02:48:32 PM  
tricycleracer

I just joined the IRA to show my support for gun owners.

That's the right one to join, right?


After seeing comments/arguments from liberals about guns I honestly dont know if you guys know they difference between the NRA and IRA
 
2013-01-10 02:48:35 PM  

jigger: Lexx: How about a law that enforces biometric (ie grip) gun locks? Only YOU can shoot your gun

If the battery is good and the mechanism is reliable. Would you trust it during a home invasion?


Responsible gun ownership involves regular maintenance of your piece. Same principles apply.
 
2013-01-10 02:48:58 PM  

Road Warrior: Anyone else notice that these things always happen in "gun-free" zones in states with the most restrictive gun laws?

Coincidence? You decide.


Highest gun homicide rate per 100,000: Louisiana. 10.13/100,000

Brady report card for Lousiana: Among the weakest gun laws in the country. Score: 2/100

It's not really a coincidence, you're just making shiat up because you're a farking liar...
 
2013-01-10 02:49:20 PM  

Lexx: Dimensio: Lexx: How about a law that enforces biometric (ie grip) gun locks? Only YOU can shoot your gun, and thus YOU may be held responsible if someone gets shot with your gun.

How would the three-hundred million firearms already owned by the public be addressed? How would "rental" firearms available at firearm ranges be addressed? Would law enforcement be required to use such firearms? Does such technology actually exist and, if so, is it reliable?

Existing guns: put a law requiring the bio-trigger lock, and registration of the buyer's print to sell/transfer ownership. Firearm ranges: are already legally responsible for their pieces, so that's not an issue. Law enforcement: not really an issue, cops already get in a world of hurt if they ever lose their gun anyway. Yes the technology exists, and yes it is reliable.

Benefits: protects your kids from being able to use the gun. Prevents thieves from being able to use the gun.


How would a firearm owning parent be able to instruct their children to use firearms?

Why would you exempt law enforcement from such a requirement? Even if a law enforcement agent is "in a world of hurt" following the loss of a firearm, the fact remains that a thief would have an unlocked firearm.

Please provide reference to demonstration of the technology's reliability.
 
2013-01-10 02:49:42 PM  

Road Warrior: Anyone else notice that these things always happen in "gun-free" zones in states with the most restrictive gun laws?

Coincidence? You decide.


Colorado doesn't have the most restrictive gun laws. Try again!
 
2013-01-10 02:49:49 PM  
It's ok, guys. Some random citizen with a gun will save the day. That's how these things always turn out, right?
 
2013-01-10 02:50:35 PM  

JonnyBGoode: Two people. I was hoping to hear one shot came from the gunman, the other from a citizen that returned fire.


Sorry, your fantasy will never come true.
 
2013-01-10 02:51:00 PM  

GoldSpider: chuckufarlie: How many children have to die before you see that there is a problem? An estimate would be okay - just give us your number.

When guns become the top killer of children, then we can talk. Until then, we should focus on the things that kill MORE children than guns, don't you think?


You mean like Planned Parenthood?

/yes trolling
 
2013-01-10 02:51:23 PM  

Cuyose: Uh, that's exactly how prioritization works.


Only if you're stupid.
 
2013-01-10 02:51:49 PM  

JonnyBGoode: Two people. I was hoping to hear one shot came from the gunman, the other from a citizen that returned fire.


Do you guys stroke your guns when you are having these fantasies?
 
2013-01-10 02:52:11 PM  
Why don't you guys put a gun on your flag like Mozambique?
 
2013-01-10 02:52:35 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Cuyose: Uh, that's exactly how prioritization works.

Only if you're stupid.


Give me your definition of priority then, genius.
 
2013-01-10 02:52:53 PM  

GoldSpider: Haliburton Cummings: gunstoppable

Now that's a $100 band name right there.


gee thanks. I always thought if i had a band i would call it " Jimmy Gunnut and the ventilated fartknockers" but Gunstoppable is waaay better..

now if i could just find some imaginary musicians to go with my imaginary band....
 
2013-01-10 02:52:53 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: whidbey: You mean it's time to try discussing the need for a decent revised set of gun regulation laws while being bullied by gun enthusiasts spouting a bunch of specs to muddy the discussion.

Yeah I believe I summed that one up correctly.

Yes, those evil gun owners with their 'facts' and 'statistics'. Why can't they argue from emotion and ignorance like reasonable people?


Case in point. Any concern brought up is disregarded as arguing "from emotion and ignorance."

Yes, those evil gun owners with their 'facts' and 'statistics'.

Which have nothing to do with this argument.
 
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