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2013-01-10 02:31:20 PM  

magic_patch: Clearly time to ban schools.


Give Congress time and that might actually get done.
 
2013-01-10 02:31:31 PM  

SFSailor: Easy solution, or at least a path to one:

Appease the gun crowd: Buy whatever you want. "Because fark you I want one" is a perfectly legitimate reason to own a weapon.

But, that comes with a cost... the cost of responsibility both fiscal and mental.

Let's put a nationwide tax on all gun-, ammunition- and gun-related items (hearing protection... targets... cases... stupid stickers for your truck... etc). Starts at 5%.

All revenue from that tax go to funding a massive mental health campaign -- screening of children from elementary school through college; screening of anyone buying a gun; annual screening of anyone with a license for a gun, which would also include checking for proper security and storage of that gun. Let's have PR campaigns working to reduce the stigma of mental counseling and increase the willingness of people to get help. Let's have success stories of people who were helped -before- they shot up a movie theater. Etc etc etc.

Here's the rub: Every time two or more people are killed with a gun, the tax goes up 5%. No limit.

Even if it's at 7000%, if some poor soul shoots up a [school | mall | nursing station | whatever]... 7005%, effective immediately.

You want an AR-AK-M-16-mp3-LOL fully auto anti-tank howitzer? Fine. But contribute to paying for and preventing the harm other weapons like it do to our society. Be a responsible gun owner, and support getting help for those who need it, and maybe, just maybe, we can reduce the problem. Fair trade?


www.themovies.co.za
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-10 02:31:34 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: vpb: Cuyose: lordjupiter: Pfactor: But... high capacity magazines and military-looking rifles are ALREADY banned in California. Gun activists told us this couldn't happen!

Seriously...do you look at lines on a map and think they're forcefields?

If that is your logic, unless we can make guns disappear all over the world, gun control will never have an impact

Or we can remember that international borders are controlled and just have nationwide gun control.

Ok, so now only the criminals are getting new guns. I'm not seeing that as a better solution.


Obviously, that's nonsense or it wouldn't work for other countries.  The fact that gun control works isn't an opinion or speculation, it's proven fact.
 
2013-01-10 02:31:36 PM  

Joe Blowme: Yes subby, because it wasnt a person who did the shooting it was the gun. Maybe we should have talk about parent controll to combat the irresponsible people who have kids and then dont raise them right or at all.


I agree, the government should step in to decide who gets to reproduce. This is a sensible small government solution, whereas gun control is tyranny.
 
2013-01-10 02:31:49 PM  

Dynascape: Haliburton Cummings: Utter Genius: 18,000 people die in drunk-driving incidents a year. Government, please ban assault cars and assault alcohol TIA.

hmm. cars require ID...Booze requires ID.

any banjo playing american hick can buy a gun anywhere, buy ammo without ID.

the real issue is that gunmericans are self righteous entitled twats who have penis problems and need guns on all their movie posters, in all the television shows and a gun to solve all their problems..except the big problem of it's corrupt political system and corporate police state..
no..don't mention that....

so any gun debate sadly avoids all that...

a nation of psychopaths .

right on gun nuts.

Uhhhhhhh...

You need to show an ID to buy ammo. Hell, you need to show ID to buy a cigarette lighter in my state.


you buy your lighters from a guy off the street? online perhaps? and they make you show id?
wow..you live in crazyland!

/rebut fail
 
2013-01-10 02:31:53 PM  

EyeballKid: Joe Blowme: Yes subby, because it wasnt a person who did the shooting it was the gun. Maybe we should have talk about parent controll to combat the irresponsible people who have kids and then dont raise them right or at all.

Yes, more Jeebus AND more guns! That makes total sense. That is what you're getting at, isn't it?


? Where the fark do you see anything about jebus in my post? Why do you hate children and not want them to have a good upbringing?

/you do realize guns dont shoot themselves right? A person has to pull the trigger
 
2013-01-10 02:32:17 PM  
Free speech zones
Gun free zones
Implied consent to search when flying
Asset forfeiture abused
Prisoners forced to work below minimum wage by private corporations
9th amendment is practically all but ignored
The militarization of police following 9/11

And so many on Fark think leaving the only guns in the hands of the 1%, the military, those rich enough to get elected and the police that you respect so much.

So yea, you win. Be proud of your victory.
 
2013-01-10 02:32:26 PM  
If only there'd been a dynamite monkey at the door of the school...
 
2013-01-10 02:32:36 PM  

chuckufarlie: topcon: chuckufarlie: topcon: Gun murders have dropped for 20 years. But let's keep making bigger and bigger deals out of individual shootings to compensate for it, despite the fact violent crime is half of what it was in 1992.

How many children have to die before you see that there is a problem? An estimate would be okay - just give us your number.

Less and less people every year are dying to guns. Fact. Far less people are getting killed right now on a yearly basis than when the AWB was in effect.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-t h e-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl08.xls

[i.imgur.com image 850x397]

well, aren't you the smartest kid in the class! I asked you to answer a simple question and you totally failed. Are you afraid to answer that question? Cowardice and stupidity seem to run rampant in the pro-gun community.

You are implying that it is okay to shoot and kill an entire classroom of children as long as the overall number of murders has been lowered. I will ask you again - How many more children need to die before you see that there is a problem?


There isn't a problem with so-called "assault weapons." They very like account for less than one percent of gun murders, based off of FBI data tables.

Saturday Night Special handguns are the problem. California banned them at one point (Bryco / Jennings, et al?)
 
2013-01-10 02:32:39 PM  

hdhale: Haliburton Cummings: [i.imgur.com image 850x111]

go gunmerica go!

You are not better than the guy who wants the right to keep a 105 mm howitzer in his front yard. Congratulations.Skarekrough: Pfactor: But... high capacity magazines and military-looking rifles are ALREADY banned in California. Gun activists told us this couldn't happen!

Only two injured, not double-digits dead.

Try harder.

1/10

Simple. You could get the same result with a pre-Civil War revolver, but the fact is that banning whole classes of firearms doesn't fix the fact that people were hurt, gun free zones are a farking joke, and if it turns out he used a gun that is legal to purchase in California today, then it was a happy accident, as he could have easily used a grandfathered AR-15 he stole from some old dude that bought one prior to the California "ban" on assault weapons back in '89. BETTER SCHOOL SECURITY is what will stop shiat like this, not "gun control".


You don't think that preventing people that are criminals and mentally unstable from getting guns would also help to stop this? And that means requiring mental evaluations in order to get a gun permit, and to end private gun sales and close the gun show loophole to keep straw purchasers from buying as many gun as they want and selling them to who ever elsewhere.
 
2013-01-10 02:32:46 PM  
This incident is clearly a result of poor firearm regulation. Had the state of California substantially restricted access to handguns, prevented civilians from carrying firearms in public and enacted a "one-feature" based "assault weapons ban" and a prohibition upon "high-capacity" magazines, this incident could have been averted.
 
2013-01-10 02:33:41 PM  
Nice headline.
 
2013-01-10 02:34:13 PM  

kombat_unit: This is news why? Oh yeah, msm narrative needs to keep being rammed down our faces.


Nah man, you're way behind here. This was another false flag carried out by Israeli commandos. Obama negotiated this in return for a war with Iran.
 
2013-01-10 02:34:26 PM  
why do we have any laws? Words on paper don't stop shiat.
 
2013-01-10 02:34:29 PM  

Joe Blowme: EyeballKid: Joe Blowme: Yes subby, because it wasnt a person who did the shooting it was the gun. Maybe we should have talk about parent controll to combat the irresponsible people who have kids and then dont raise them right or at all.

Yes, more Jeebus AND more guns! That makes total sense. That is what you're getting at, isn't it?

? Where the fark do you see anything about jebus in my post? Why do you hate children and not want them to have a good upbringing?

/you do realize guns dont shoot themselves right? A person has to pull the trigger


They work just fine on their own when provided by Eric Holder and the Obama Administration.
 
2013-01-10 02:34:39 PM  
the braintrust in this thread is gunstoppable.

time to crap.
 
2013-01-10 02:34:44 PM  

ongbok: hdhale: Haliburton Cummings: [i.imgur.com image 850x111]

go gunmerica go!

You are not better than the guy who wants the right to keep a 105 mm howitzer in his front yard. Congratulations.Skarekrough: Pfactor: But... high capacity magazines and military-looking rifles are ALREADY banned in California. Gun activists told us this couldn't happen!

Only two injured, not double-digits dead.

Try harder.

1/10

Simple. You could get the same result with a pre-Civil War revolver, but the fact is that banning whole classes of firearms doesn't fix the fact that people were hurt, gun free zones are a farking joke, and if it turns out he used a gun that is legal to purchase in California today, then it was a happy accident, as he could have easily used a grandfathered AR-15 he stole from some old dude that bought one prior to the California "ban" on assault weapons back in '89. BETTER SCHOOL SECURITY is what will stop shiat like this, not "gun control".

You don't think that preventing people that are criminals and mentally unstable from getting guns would also help to stop this? And that means requiring mental evaluations in order to get a gun permit, and to end private gun sales and close the gun show loophole to keep straw purchasers from buying as many gun as they want and selling them to who ever elsewhere.


Better tracking of firearm sales and better controls on prohibiting firearm possession by prohibited persons would likely reduce violent crime.

Unfortunately, "gun control" advocates typically eschew such suggestions in favour of banning handgrips and collapsing stocks on an already rarely criminally misused class of firearm, and "gun rights" advocacy organizations are led by irrational individuals opposed to absolutely any new regulation.
 
2013-01-10 02:34:58 PM  

chuckufarlie: topcon: chuckufarlie: topcon: Gun murders have dropped for 20 years. But let's keep making bigger and bigger deals out of individual shootings to compensate for it, despite the fact violent crime is half of what it was in 1992.

How many children have to die before you see that there is a problem? An estimate would be okay - just give us your number.

Less and less people every year are dying to guns. Fact. Far less people are getting killed right now on a yearly basis than when the AWB was in effect.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-t h e-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl08.xls

[i.imgur.com image 850x397]

well, aren't you the smartest kid in the class! I asked you to answer a simple question and you totally failed. Are you afraid to answer that question? Cowardice and stupidity seem to run rampant in the pro-gun community.

You are implying that it is okay to shoot and kill an entire classroom of children as long as the overall number of murders has been lowered. I will ask you again - How many more children need to die before you see that there is a problem?


And yet more children die from drunk driving every year than from guns, How many more children need to die before you see that there is a problem?
 
2013-01-10 02:34:58 PM  

SFSailor: Easy solution, or at least a path to one:

Appease the gun crowd: Buy whatever you want. "Because fark you I want one" is a perfectly legitimate reason to own a weapon.

But, that comes with a cost... the cost of responsibility both fiscal and mental.

Let's put a nationwide tax on all gun-, ammunition- and gun-related items (hearing protection... targets... cases... stupid stickers for your truck... etc). Starts at 5%.

All revenue from that tax go to funding a massive mental health campaign -- screening of children from elementary school through college; screening of anyone buying a gun; annual screening of anyone with a license for a gun, which would also include checking for proper security and storage of that gun. Let's have PR campaigns working to reduce the stigma of mental counseling and increase the willingness of people to get help. Let's have success stories of people who were helped -before- they shot up a movie theater. Etc etc etc.

Here's the rub: Every time two or more people are killed with a gun, the tax goes up 5%. No limit.

Even if it's at 7000%, if some poor soul shoots up a [school | mall | nursing station | whatever]... 7005%, effective immediately.

You want an AR-AK-M-16-mp3-LOL fully auto anti-tank howitzer? Fine. But contribute to paying for and preventing the harm other weapons like it do to our society. Be a responsible gun owner, and support getting help for those who need it, and maybe, just maybe, we can reduce the problem. Fair trade?



Your ideas are bad and you should feel bad.

1) The only time I hear "f*ck you, I got mine" in the gun control debate is when somebody says "I only own a shotgun and a bolt action rifle, I don't care if there is a ban, it won't affect me."

2) You can take your tax proposal and shove it up your ass.  I already have to pay a 9.2% state sales tax on ammo, and that's enough.
 
2013-01-10 02:35:02 PM  

GoldSpider: Thanks to the CA state gun laws, the shooter didn't have an assault rifle, and only two people died in this attack. The law is working as intended.


Marc Lépine would like a word with you.
 
2013-01-10 02:35:07 PM  
How about a law that enforces biometric (ie grip) gun locks? Only YOU can shoot your gun, and thus YOU may be held responsible if someone gets shot with your gun.
 
2013-01-10 02:35:14 PM  

Joe Blowme: EyeballKid: Joe Blowme: Yes subby, because it wasnt a person who did the shooting it was the gun. Maybe we should have talk about parent controll to combat the irresponsible people who have kids and then dont raise them right or at all.

Yes, more Jeebus AND more guns! That makes total sense. That is what you're getting at, isn't it?

? Where the fark do you see anything about jebus in my post? Why do you hate children and not want them to have a good upbringing?

/you do realize guns dont shoot themselves right? A person has to pull the trigger


But the shooting is the fault of the shooter's parents now?! "Guns don't kill people. People don't people. The parents of people who kill people kill people."

Good personal responsibility there. Maybe the parents played violent video games and listened to that rap music.
 
2013-01-10 02:35:30 PM  

kombat_unit: This is news why? Oh yeah, msm narrative needs to keep being rammed down our faces.


Well, yea, when you have a whopping 400 gun homicides a year it sort of stops being newsworthy after awhile.

Er... wait... hmmm.. no, hold on, I read that wrong. That's the second highest gun homicide country, Germany.

What I meant was, when you have a whopping 9000 gun homicides a year it sort of stops being newsworthy after awhile.

That's better.
 
2013-01-10 02:35:37 PM  

Haliburton Cummings: hdhale: Haliburton Cummings: [i.imgur.com image 850x111]

go gunmerica go!

You are not better than the guy who wants the right to keep a 105 mm howitzer in his front yard.

Yes. I am. Much better thank you.


I keep reading that as Guernica...
img14.imageshack.us
 
2013-01-10 02:35:45 PM  

Dynascape: You need to show an ID to buy ammo. Hell, you need to show ID to buy a cigarette lighter in my state.


Incorrect on the first part. You can purchase ammo by the case and have it shipped to your door without any ID.
 
2013-01-10 02:35:46 PM  

hdhale: Haliburton Cummings: [i.imgur.com image 850x111]

go gunmerica go!

You are not better than the guy who wants the right to keep a 105 mm howitzer in his front yard. Congratulations.Skarekrough: Pfactor: But... high capacity magazines and military-looking rifles are ALREADY banned in California. Gun activists told us this couldn't happen!

Only two injured, not double-digits dead.

Try harder.

1/10

Simple. You could get the same result with a pre-Civil War revolver, but the fact is that banning whole classes of firearms doesn't fix the fact that people were hurt, gun free zones are a farking joke, and if it turns out he used a gun that is legal to purchase in California today, then it was a happy accident, as he could have easily used a grandfathered AR-15 he stole from some old dude that bought one prior to the California "ban" on assault weapons back in '89. BETTER SCHOOL SECURITY is what will stop shiat like this, not "gun control".


Yeah, you're right. Deputy Gardner made a huge difference in taking down Harris and Klebold.
 
2013-01-10 02:35:53 PM  
i.chzbgr.com
 
2013-01-10 02:35:57 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: They did live.


Seriously, that's good news.
 
2013-01-10 02:36:07 PM  

Cyberluddite: natas6.0: Lots of gang activity in that area
Here's to hoping it was shiatheads shooting fellow shiatheads

A oil-drilling town of 10K people in Kern County is home to lots of gang activity?  What are the gangs, Chevron versus Shell?


Mostly Norteños vs. Sureños with some motorcycle gang activity and tweekers doing what tweekers do thrown in for good measure.
 
2013-01-10 02:36:17 PM  

lordjupiter: So you really, really think that people just looking for a gun for home defense would be totally unable to get a gun, and the streets would be controlled by gun-toting criminals who are the only ones able to get guns, and nobody would ever think to buy or sell them to anyone but drug dealers and burglers?

Or is this an abuse of the word "criminal" in the "only criminals will have guns" chiasmus, meaning that people looking to defend themselves TECHNICALLY become "criminals" when they have guns in a gun-ban area, even though the clear meaning of "criminal" is different from those who they're seeking defense from?


Little of A, little of B.

My point was the guns you want to ban on a nationwide level (I'm making the assumption that since you mentioned personal defense you aren't out for everything) will still be available, but only to people willing to commit a crime to get them. That criminal is either someone who is otherwise law abiding (who you don't have to worry about having that gun), or someone who wants to use it to commit a crime. You haven't stopped the people you wanted to stop, you've only affected otherwise peaceful people. That sounds like a failure to me.
 
2013-01-10 02:36:20 PM  

Lexx: How about a law that enforces biometric (ie grip) gun locks? Only YOU can shoot your gun, and thus YOU may be held responsible if someone gets shot with your gun.


I like to collect antique firearms, and while not necessarily capable of mass murder, they could probably fark someone up.

Not sure you can put a biometric grip on my Lee-Enfield from 1911.
 
2013-01-10 02:36:29 PM  

Lexx: How about a law that enforces biometric (ie grip) gun locks? Only YOU can shoot your gun, and thus YOU may be held responsible if someone gets shot with your gun.


How would the three-hundred million firearms already owned by the public be addressed? How would "rental" firearms available at firearm ranges be addressed? Would law enforcement be required to use such firearms? Does such technology actually exist and, if so, is it reliable?
 
2013-01-10 02:36:32 PM  
No need to reset it back.

Kalifornia is Ultra safe and has very strict gun control laws.
No gun crime is ever committed there.

If a gun crime were committed there, they would pass lots more laws to stop it from happening.

Gun control is not about guns, it's about control.

Stop digging where the ground is softest and look where the freaking problems is.
 
2013-01-10 02:36:44 PM  
+1 For banning the schools.

Best option for those who don't want to give into natural selection.
 
2013-01-10 02:36:50 PM  

Dimensio: This incident is clearly a result of poor firearm regulation.


Perhaps.

Had the state of California substantially restricted access to handguns, prevented civilians from carrying firearms in public and enacted a "one-feature" based "assault weapons ban" and a prohibition upon "high-capacity" magazines, this incident could have been averted.

It was a shotgun apparently. So it looks like all of that worked.

You're on board with additional restrictions then, yes?
 
2013-01-10 02:37:03 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: whidbey: You mean it's time to try discussing the need for a decent revised set of gun regulation laws while being bullied by gun enthusiasts spouting a bunch of specs to muddy the discussion.

Yeah I believe I summed that one up correctly.

Yes, those evil gun owners with their 'facts' and 'statistics'. Why can't they argue from emotion and ignorance like reasonable people?


Spot on, Noticeably F.A.T. Wrecked that fool. Here is another piece of shiat that doesn't have time for facts we must not allow a timely and empathetic response to be sidetracked yet again by studies or reports.
 
2013-01-10 02:37:13 PM  

magic_patch: Clearly time to ban schoolsadults.


FTFY
 
2013-01-10 02:37:46 PM  
You make Shotguns illegal and places like Cabellas are going to fark themselves.

A LOT of people who make a living on hunting will be *pissed*
 
2013-01-10 02:38:00 PM  

Begoggle: This sounds like 1 person who had a beef with another 1 person.
That's different to me than some nut mowing down a bunch of school kids.
The shooter used a shotgun.
Not saying we shouldn't talk about how it could be prevented, but it's still different.


This is all true, but I still want to know what Alex Jones has to say insanely rant about this. You know, for the lulz.
 
2013-01-10 02:38:29 PM  

Flakeloaf: GoldSpider: Thanks to the CA state gun laws, the shooter didn't have an assault rifle, and only two people died in this attack. The law is working as intended.

Marc Lépine would like a word with you.


Bahh fark, I meant Kimveer Gill. Got my Canadian school shiatheads messed up.

/his atrocious aim, not the weapon, kept the casualty count down
 
2013-01-10 02:38:44 PM  

Lexx: It's like you think criminals get their guns legally NOW, or something. Is it really that hard to understand that criminals, by definition, DON'T FOLLOW THE LAWS about this sort of thing?

The Connecticut shooting was with legally owned guns. Also the point of that insurance would be to help counter the danger of guns by A: making them more difficult to obtain, B: making them more expensive to own, and C: creating a pool of money with which to help out the shooting victims, fund mental health treatment, etc etc.


Really? Killing his mom and stealing her guns counts as "legally" in your mind? As someoene under the age of 21 in Connecticut, he's already banned from possessing a handgun, yet he stole those too.
 
2013-01-10 02:38:46 PM  

chuckufarlie: topcon: Gun murders have dropped for 20 years. But let's keep making bigger and bigger deals out of individual shootings to compensate for it, despite the fact violent crime is half of what it was in 1992.

How many children have to die before you see that there is a problem? An estimate would be okay - just give us your number.


Are you familiar with the Bath incident?  Look it up if not.  I'm pretty certain that rigging up a school to explode is and was pretty damn illegal, but that didn't stop someone.
The problem is not with the ability, in general, to obtain weapons.  The problem is with the ability of certain people to obtain weapons, and that those certain people have problems that they need help with.

We don't let just every person in the country have a driver's license (although the number of vehicular deaths each year suggest that we are far too lax in that regard), we probably shouldn't let just every person in the country have weapons.
 
2013-01-10 02:39:00 PM  
Just renewed.....ahhhhhh

"Thank you for joining the NRA. We appreciate your interest in protecting and preserving our Second Amendment rights and promoting safe, responsible gun ownership.

Your credit card will be billed for $35.00* for a 1 Year Membership in the National Rifle Association with "America's First Freedom" as your magazine choice."
 
2013-01-10 02:39:27 PM  

Dynascape: You make Shotguns illegal and places like Cabellas are going to fark themselves.

A LOT of people who make a living on hunting will be *pissed*


I'm sure everybody in the 19th Century will be horrified.
 
2013-01-10 02:39:29 PM  

vpb: Obviously, that's nonsense or it wouldn't work for other countries. The fact that gun control works isn't an opinion or speculation, it's proven fact.


How many of those countries have borders as porous as the US?

Nightsweat: If only there'd been a dynamite monkey at the door of the school...


Yeah, because if there's one group of people you can trust to not taunt a dynamite monkey it's high schoolers...
 
2013-01-10 02:39:31 PM  

chuckufarlie: topcon: chuckufarlie: topcon: chuckufarlie: topcon: Gun murders have dropped for 20 years. But let's keep making bigger and bigger deals out of individual shootings to compensate for it, despite the fact violent crime is half of what it was in 1992.

How many children have to die before you see that there is a problem? An estimate would be okay - just give us your number.

Less and less people every year are dying to guns. Fact. Far less people are getting killed right now on a yearly basis than when the AWB was in effect.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-t h e-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl08.xls

[i.imgur.com image 850x397]

well, aren't you the smartest kid in the class! I asked you to answer a simple question and you totally failed. Are you afraid to answer that question? Cowardice and stupidity seem to run rampant in the pro-gun community.

You are implying that it is okay to shoot and kill an entire classroom of children as long as the overall number of murders has been lowered. I will ask you again - How many more children need to die before you see that there is a problem?

There isn't a problem with so-called "assault weapons." They very like account for less than one percent of gun murders, based off of FBI data tables.

Saturday Night Special handguns are the problem. California banned them at one point (Bryco / Jennings, et al?)

I asked you one simple question and you are too cowardly to answer it. That says a lot about you.

You are implying that any number of children can die and you will still not change your mind. Thousands of children gunned down in schools across the country and you would still not want to address the problem.


You're asking a stupid, loaded question. Less and less people are being murdered every year by guns, not just by a little bit, dramatic drops every year with no end in sight. The system is working quite well. That's the bottom line.
 
2013-01-10 02:39:35 PM  

Haliburton Cummings: gunstoppable


Now that's a $100 band name right there.
 
2013-01-10 02:39:36 PM  

EyeballKid: Joe Blowme: EyeballKid: Joe Blowme: Yes subby, because it wasnt a person who did the shooting it was the gun. Maybe we should have talk about parent controll to combat the irresponsible people who have kids and then dont raise them right or at all.

Yes, more Jeebus AND more guns! That makes total sense. That is what you're getting at, isn't it?

? Where the fark do you see anything about jebus in my post? Why do you hate children and not want them to have a good upbringing?

/you do realize guns dont shoot themselves right? A person has to pull the trigger

But the shooting is the fault of the shooter's parents now?! "Guns don't kill people. People don't people. The parents of people who kill people kill people."

Good personal responsibility there. Maybe the parents played violent video games and listened to that rap music.


You obviously have no children nor do you understand ..... wait.... Why are you being purposely obtuse? Ahhhh trolling and i bit... my bad
 
2013-01-10 02:39:53 PM  
And i see it's in another state with loose gun regulations....
 
2013-01-10 02:39:54 PM  

Lexx: How about a law that enforces biometric (ie grip) gun locks? Only YOU can shoot your gun


If the battery is good and the mechanism is reliable. Would you trust it during a home invasion?
 
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