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(LA Times)   Well, it's time to reset the "days until we can talk about gun control" counter back to zero again   (latimesblogs.latimes.com) divider line 741
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2013-01-10 02:11:51 PM  
Fox News spends more time talking about guns than the Military Channel. Obama should come out and tell everybody to buy an assault rifle. You'd probably see Republicans calling for repealing the 2nd.
 
2013-01-10 02:12:00 PM  
Perhaps if the pro-gun control argument wasn't lead by Piers Morgan, your side might have a chance of affecting real change.
 
2013-01-10 02:12:01 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Cuyose: lordjupiter: Pfactor: But... high capacity magazines and military-looking rifles are ALREADY banned in California. Gun activists told us this couldn't happen!

Seriously...do you look at lines on a map and think they're forcefields?

If that is your logic, unless we can make guns disappear all over the world, gun control will never have an impact

Because state borders are the exact same as international borders, which is why they check my papers every time I drive to Oregon.


Rolling papers maybe.
 
2013-01-10 02:12:07 PM  
The conversation for mental health care is still patiently waiting. Your call, America.
 
2013-01-10 02:12:08 PM  

jigger: Pfactor: But... high capacity magazines and military-looking rifles are ALREADY banned in California. Gun activists told us this couldn't happen!

Because he used a shotgun.


Shotgun, eh? Ok, how to spin from the gun fetish premise...??...

Ah...

"See! Crazy people will just find whatever they can get their hands on! What are you going to do, ban ALL guns, even shotguns for hunters? This is why the gun grabbers molest collies. Rap has something to do with this. And gangs because it's in California. Blue state. Commies. If the teachers were armed, this guy wouldn't have gotten a single shot off@!"

Did that cover it? Can we close the thread?
 
2013-01-10 02:12:09 PM  

vpb: jigger: Pfactor: But... high capacity magazines and military-looking rifles are ALREADY banned in California. Gun activists told us this couldn't happen!

Because he used a shotgun.

Maybe that's why he got two instead of 28.


How can you standby and do nothing as 2 people are shot? The time to talk about banning shotguns is now.
 
2013-01-10 02:12:09 PM  
Gun murders have dropped for 20 years. But let's keep making bigger and bigger deals out of individual shootings to compensate for it, despite the fact violent crime is half of what it was in 1992.
 
2013-01-10 02:12:19 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: On CNN they just said this happened outside of the science building. WHY DIDN'T THEY STOP THE SHOOTINGS WITH SCIENCE??


SHE BLINDED ME

WITH A SHOTGUN
 
2013-01-10 02:12:26 PM  

natas6.0: Lots of gang activity in that area
Here's to hoping it was shiatheads shooting fellow shiatheads


Doubtful. Gangbangers almost always, without fail, miss each other and hit bystanders.

/probably the result of holding the gun sideways.
 
2013-01-10 02:12:40 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: murderguy: Well, at least it is a high school. I couldn't take another elementary school shooting right now.

I agree with you, but think about what that means for the United States. We've become so resigned to the fact that children are going to get gunned down in school, that we're just happy when it's older children and not younger ones. Our goalposts have moved WAY the fark too far in a certain direction.



You have to take what you can get. Gun control in a meaningful way is impossible without a constitutional amendment which will not happen. I hope anyone who died, or will die in the future, got a little bit of time to live. It really is all we can hope for.
 
2013-01-10 02:12:46 PM  

Cuyose: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Cuyose: lordjupiter: Pfactor: But... high capacity magazines and military-looking rifles are ALREADY banned in California. Gun activists told us this couldn't happen!

Seriously...do you look at lines on a map and think they're forcefields?

If that is your logic, unless we can make guns disappear all over the world, gun control will never have an impact

Because state borders are the exact same as international borders, which is why they check my papers every time I drive to Oregon.

That's worked great for other laws based on international borders, nothing has ever come across the border without strict examination of papers!


Maybe, just maybe, it's HARDER to get things across international borders, so fewer things come across than can be transferred across state lines.
 
2013-01-10 02:12:46 PM  

Pfactor: But... high capacity magazines and military-looking rifles are ALREADY banned in California. Gun activists told us this couldn't happen!


two were shot, not twenty.
 
2013-01-10 02:12:59 PM  

vpb: Private_Citizen: If all it takes to reset the counter is a new shooting, we'll never have a conversation on gun control.

I think that's the idea.

jigger: Pfactor: But... high capacity magazines and military-looking rifles are ALREADY banned in California. Gun activists told us this couldn't happen!

Because he used a shotgun.

Maybe that's why he got two instead of 28.


Good thing it wasn't Lindsay Graham--that ol' boy can reload faster'n you can say "look at that negro run"
 
2013-01-10 02:13:00 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: murderguy: Well, at least it is a high school. I couldn't take another elementary school shooting right now.

I agree with you, but think about what that means for the United States. We've become so resigned to the fact that children are going to get gunned down in school, that we're just happy when it's older children and not younger ones. Our goalposts have moved WAY the fark too far in a certain direction.


There are a decent number of facts missing in this. The original link said two people shot, this thread says it's down to one. The shooter was also taken alive. Not sure what the motivator was here. Heaven forbid we wait until we have actual facts before getting all frothed up, but subby did a very good job with the headtrolline.
 
2013-01-10 02:13:12 PM  
I'm starting to think that the safest place for kids these days is in high crime urban settings. just keep them out of the drug trade, and no one will ever shoot 'em.

however, let them wonder just close to a suburb, and you may as well have signed their death warrant.
 
2013-01-10 02:13:21 PM  

you have pee hands: Only two people shot? Better up your game or we'll forget about you by the end of the week.


Forget about what?
 
2013-01-10 02:13:21 PM  
Surely this is a mistake. California is one of the most restrictive states in the nation when it comes to gun control, and we all know that more gun control will stop crazy people from trying to kill others. Furthermore, this was in a gun-free zone, so there clearly couldn't have been any guns there.

Right?

Right?
 
2013-01-10 02:13:37 PM  
...if you read some firearms forums, you'd think the world was ending. Seriously.

They really think that a civil war is imminent because of the government taking away their guns.
 
2013-01-10 02:13:40 PM  

marcand: If only there were more guns to prevent such a horrible gun tragedy. I feel guns are the only way we can gun safety for our children. Guns are the gun defense that gun the gun gunning. Gun the gun gun gun da gun. Gun gun gungungungun


gunmazing!
 
2013-01-10 02:13:53 PM  
It doesn't say in the story but obviously the shooter was stopped by an armed teacher, right?
 
2013-01-10 02:14:15 PM  
Ahhh, Taft.

They're
All
Fu*king
Tweekers

30 miles from my house.
 
2013-01-10 02:14:42 PM  

Counter_Intelligent: They got the shooter alive.  This means we can find out his connection to the UN/Illuminati/Gnomes of Zurich.


You can't do something like this, get caught alive and NOT claim that you were sent by the CIA on a false flag op as your legal defense.

WTF Indeed: Perhaps if the pro-gun control argument wasn't lead by Piers Morgan, your side might have a chance of affecting real change.


This.
 
2013-01-10 02:14:43 PM  

Dynascape: ...if you read some firearms forums, you'd think the world was ending. Seriously.

They really think that a civil war is imminent because of the government taking away their guns they don't like the guy who was elected president.


ftfy
 
2013-01-10 02:14:47 PM  
What the world needs now,
Are guns, sweet guns,
It's the only thing that there's just too little of.
What the world needs now,
Are guns, sweet guns,
No, not just for some but for everyone.

Lord, we don't need another Newtown,
There are psychos and inmates easy enough to kill,
There are burglars and rapists enough to mow down,
Enough to last 'til we all cross that last hill.

What the world needs now,
Are guns, sweet guns,
It's the only thing that there's just too little of.
What the world needs now,
Are guns, sweet guns,
No, not just for some but for everyone.

Lord, we don't need additional weapon bans,
There are teachers and students enough to shoot,
There are liberals and pinkos who have their fans,
Oh Lord they should be left to be shot dead... what a hoot!

What the world needs now,
Are guns, sweet guns,
It's the only thing that there's just too little of.
What the world needs now,
Are guns, sweet guns,
No, not just for some oh but just for every, every, everyone.

What the world needs now,
Are guns, sweet guns,
What the world needs now,
Are guns, sweet guns,
What the world needs now,
Are guns, sweet guns,
 
2013-01-10 02:14:53 PM  
How can this be? California bans assault weapons!
 
2013-01-10 02:14:54 PM  

Psycoholic_Slag: Ahhh, Taft.

They're
All
Fu*king
Tweekers

30 miles from my house.


you live in Bakersfield?

I'm sorry.
 
2013-01-10 02:14:58 PM  

Cuyose: If that is your logic, unless we can make guns disappear all over the world, gun control will never have an impact


I actually heard that today from some gun rights person, along with "we can't allow any gun laws to pass, because once one is passed, it's a slippery slope and pretty soon all guns will be banned."

Huh.
 
2013-01-10 02:15:01 PM  
Her boyfriend's a dick.
 
2013-01-10 02:15:01 PM  

you have pee hands: Only two people shot? Better up your game or we'll forget about you by the end of the week.


he had a shotgun, not an AR-15.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-10 02:15:02 PM  

Cuyose: lordjupiter: Pfactor: But... high capacity magazines and military-looking rifles are ALREADY banned in California. Gun activists told us this couldn't happen!

Seriously...do you look at lines on a map and think they're forcefields?

If that is your logic, unless we can make guns disappear all over the world, gun control will never have an impact


Or we can remember that international borders are controlled and just have nationwide gun control.
 
2013-01-10 02:15:14 PM  

natas6.0: Lots of gang activity in that area
Here's to hoping it was shiatheads shooting fellow shiatheads


A oil-drilling town of 10K people in Kern County is home to lots of gang activity?  What are the gangs, Chevron versus Shell?
 
2013-01-10 02:15:29 PM  

The_Sponge: lordjupiter: Pfactor: But... high capacity magazines and military-looking rifles are ALREADY banned in California. Gun activists told us this couldn't happen!

Seriously...do you look at lines on a map and think they're forcefields?


So your solution is for other states to adopt California's retarded gun laws?


Shiat, the border with Mexico is nearly as unsecured as the border with Nevada, and Mexico has hyper-restrictive gun control(and knife control).

I mean, Mexico has no gun crime since guns are banned, right?
 
2013-01-10 02:15:52 PM  

ronaprhys: There are a decent number of facts missing in this. The original link said two people shot, this thread says it's down to one. The shooter was also taken alive. Not sure what the motivator was here. Heaven forbid we wait until we have actual facts before getting all frothed up, but subby did a very good job with the headtrolline.


Is that supposed to counter my point that it is a sad state of our society that we aren't surprised by shootings? You seem pretty happy that "only" one kid got shot. You see, I'd like to live in a country where any violence in a school is shocking and out of the ordinary.
 
2013-01-10 02:15:53 PM  
This sounds like 1 person who had a beef with another 1 person.
That's different to me than some nut mowing down a bunch of school kids.
The shooter used a shotgun.
Not saying we shouldn't talk about how it could be prevented, but it's still different.
 
2013-01-10 02:16:00 PM  
Control freaks, congrats. You prove we really can only pay attention to one thing. And that thing is something that kills very few. You ignore tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths to focus on a few.

Half the energy spent debating any other major killer would save so many more people, but... well... you win. At this point I don't think you were ever worthy of the freedom that was so hard won.

Flock together and pray the 1%, the wolves guarding you are content.
 
2013-01-10 02:16:00 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Maybe, just maybe, it's HARDER to get things across international borders, so fewer things come across than can be transferred across state lines.


How hard is it to buy pot from someone?
 
2013-01-10 02:16:10 PM  

1derful: How can this be? California bans assault weapons!


OwnTheRide: Surely this is a mistake. California is one of the most restrictive states in the nation when it comes to gun control, and we all know that more gun control will stop crazy people from trying to kill others. Furthermore, this was in a gun-free zone, so there clearly couldn't have been any guns there.

Right?

Right?


Come to think of it, I think I saw there was an auto accident that killed a person somewhere. As a result, I'm no longer going to wear seatbelts, as they've proven useless.
 
2013-01-10 02:16:17 PM  
18,000 people die in drunk-driving incidents a year. Government, please ban assault cars and assault alcohol TIA.
 
2013-01-10 02:16:27 PM  
This is all Quentin Tarantino's fault....
 
jlt
2013-01-10 02:16:30 PM  
There was a barricaded gunman not far from my daughter's school this morning. Some 42 year old who was drunk and decided to randomly shoot his gun at a police helicopter. Then I guess he took off on foot firing his gun. He eventually surrendered and no person was shot - just some houses.

The absolute terror on parent's faces at school this morning were something to see. There were hysterical moms pulling their kids out of class, and the school was on lockdown. This was not happening anywhere near close enough for the level of hysteria that was going on.
 
2013-01-10 02:16:30 PM  
thismodernworld.com
 
2013-01-10 02:16:36 PM  

lordjupiter: Did that cover it? Can we close the thread?


Yes. Thread's closed everyone.
 
2013-01-10 02:16:37 PM  
Guy used a shotgun.  Probably bought in at Sears.

media.kickstatic.com
 
2013-01-10 02:16:38 PM  
The NRA just released its vision for America's schools in response.

www.notcoming.com
 
2013-01-10 02:16:47 PM  
B-B-But GUNS don't kill people!

/ Sick of this shiat
 
2013-01-10 02:17:02 PM  

topcon: Gun murders have dropped for 20 years. But let's keep making bigger and bigger deals out of individual shootings to compensate for it, despite the fact violent crime is half of what it was in 1992.


This. Six months ago this shooting would have barely made the Kern County News-Ledger-Journal-Constitution. Now, it's OMFG! The guns are on a rampage and they're going after our children!

Gang bangers gonna bang.
 
2013-01-10 02:17:09 PM  

OwnTheRide: Surely this is a mistake. California is one of the most restrictive states in the nation when it comes to gun control, and we all know that more gun control will stop crazy people from trying to kill others. Furthermore, this was in a gun-free zone, so there clearly couldn't have been any guns there.

Right?

Right?


An ignorant argument on multiple levels, based on around a strawman.
But you already know that, surely.
 
2013-01-10 02:17:15 PM  

FlashHarry: he had a shotgun, not an AR-15.


BAN SHOTGUNS!!!
 
2013-01-10 02:17:26 PM  

lordjupiter: Pfactor: But... high capacity magazines and military-looking rifles are ALREADY banned in California. Gun activists told us this couldn't happen!

Seriously...do you look at lines on a map and think they're forcefields?


You do realize that the US-Mexico border isn't a force field either?

And, criminals are not likely to follow the laws?

And, getting a gun in Mexico is as easy as bribing a federali?

And, heavily armed Mexican drug cartels can get over the border with no problem?
 
2013-01-10 02:17:31 PM  

chuckufarlie: topcon: Gun murders have dropped for 20 years. But let's keep making bigger and bigger deals out of individual shootings to compensate for it, despite the fact violent crime is half of what it was in 1992.

How many children have to die before you see that there is a problem? An estimate would be okay - just give us your number.


Less and less people every year are dying to guns. Fact. Far less people are getting killed right now on a yearly basis than when the AWB was in effect.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-t h e-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl08.xls

i.imgur.com
 
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