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2013-01-10 12:31:35 PM
5 votes:
liefeld's captain is still one of the worst things i've ever seen in my life.
2013-01-10 08:14:54 PM
4 votes:

Teufelaffe: Keizer_Ghidorah: Does that complaint also include how males are portrayed in comic books?

Not as much, since male characters in comics tend to be far less sexualized in their costumes and body positions. They usually just slap a bunch of muscles and/or weapons on the male characters, but they still put them in fairly "normal" poses that wouldn't require scoliosis to achieve.


There's a difference between 'power fantasy', which is what men are frequently drawn like in comics, and 'sexual fantasy', which is how women are frequently drawn. Since the target audience is young and male, they're given over-testosterone'd Wolverines or Iron Fists to identify with while Power Girl is the hot thing you can cum on in the bathroom later.

It's not bad entirely, but overly defending it to the exclusion of changing anything and allowing more diversity in the field is a pretty shiatty thing to do. Comics that handle women without oversexualization (or allowing the sexuality and adding empowerment to it) are frequently indie, such as Artesia or Finder, and have a hard time topping the market share.

To put it out there, I know of one example of turning a male into a sex fantasy off the top of my head and that's Devin Grayson's Ascended Fangirl run on Nightwing that involved Nightwing getting frigging raped and that's your statistical outlier.

Sexualization in comics doesn't mean the industry is automatically evil, but it is a thing and it'd be cool if, y'know, people didn't get shouted out of the room when it gets brought up and some alternative ideas discussed.
2013-01-10 02:00:16 PM
4 votes:

Osomatic: Not that I don't agree that Liefeld is terrible, but at this point aren't we pretty much beating a dead horse?


because he's still allowed to draw.  once the madness stops, we will stop biatching about his horrible "art" skills.
2013-01-10 05:44:39 PM
3 votes:

Keizer_Ghidorah: maverickzy: You're right, the comics industry does not have a problem with the portrayal of female heroes.

And that has shiat to do with what we're discussing here. Stay on topic and leave the fallacies at home.

But since you touched on it, they're fictional characters who bear no resemblance to real women, so let's not get all women's lib over ink and paint.


"It's fiction so it doesn't matter" is the biggest cop-out ever.
2013-01-10 04:36:26 PM
3 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: But can you at least start coming up with some new examples of how terrible he is?


You're in luck:
here's 40 examples of how bad Rob Liefeld is.
And here's 40 more.

Will that suffice?
2013-01-10 04:29:34 PM
3 votes:

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: "The one where they're auditioning for an off-broadway interpretive dance production"
What does that have to do with anatomy?


To be fair, some poses are really stupid, and the poses are almost always women.

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2013-01-10 11:44:49 PM
2 votes:

KatjaMouse: there's hardly any group around (well, in the West anyway) that has more card carrying members of the He-Man's Woman Haters Club than comic book/gamer nerds.


I have often considered starting a service for these guys: "How to be a gamer/comics geek/general nerd and still not be shunned" But I feel bad about taking money from guys for essentially telling them "Being a farking asshole isn't making you edgy, just a tool; treat women as if they are fully-functioning human beings, and one of them might let you see a real nipple some day; and learn to notice when people's eyes start to glaze over so you can stop talking about the Necron codex for a few minutes; also, don't roll your eyes when someone doesn't know the occupation of every background NPC in Dragon Age."
2013-01-10 08:23:51 PM
2 votes:

Keizer_Ghidorah: Teufelaffe: Keizer_Ghidorah: maverickzy: You're right, the comics industry does not have a problem with the portrayal of female heroes.

And that has shiat to do with what we're discussing here. Stay on topic and leave the fallacies at home.

But since you touched on it, they're fictional characters who bear no resemblance to real women, so let's not get all women's lib over ink and paint.

"It's fiction so it doesn't matter" is the biggest cop-out ever.

"The portrayal of fictional women tells men to treat real women as objects" is the same stupidity as "Video games cause children to shoot up schools".


Actually, women are objectified in real life, and that's why they're objectified in our art. Humans are violent in real life, and that's why we have violent video games.
2013-01-10 07:07:26 PM
2 votes:

PonceAlyosha: scottydoesntknow: Bonanza Jellybean: Does Greg "porno tracer" Land still have a job?

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Hey you gotta give him a little credit. At least all his women are in poses an actual human could do.

/You know, cause he traced over an actual human

Now he's doing Iron Man, and you can pick out the frames from the Avengers and the Iron Man movies he traced.


Heh I've been looking at some of the blogs about him since Bonanza Jellybean posted that picture. Pretty freaking hilarious. He's copied everyone from Sandra Bullock to Triple H, from Ray Liotta to Sports Illustrated Swimsuit covers. He's also stolen quite a bit from other artists
2013-01-10 06:10:11 PM
2 votes:

Keizer_Ghidorah: Teufelaffe: Keizer_Ghidorah: maverickzy: You're right, the comics industry does not have a problem with the portrayal of female heroes.

And that has shiat to do with what we're discussing here. Stay on topic and leave the fallacies at home.

But since you touched on it, they're fictional characters who bear no resemblance to real women, so let's not get all women's lib over ink and paint.

"It's fiction so it doesn't matter" is the biggest cop-out ever.

"The portrayal of fictional women tells men to treat real women as objects" is the same stupidity as "Video games cause children to shoot up schools".


I object to the portrayal of women in most comics because it's insulting, looks moronic, and 99% of the time, the artist spent too much time making sure I could see the woman's tits and both ass cheeks at the same time and not enough time on anything else.
2013-01-10 05:13:08 PM
2 votes:
I suppose this explains why Alex Ross is the only popular comics illustrator.

Superheroes are not realistic. They do not need to look realistic. They wear brightly colored costumes, are all in above average shape, and adopt pseudonyms when their identities are public.

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If cyclops's pelvis was this small compared to his shoulders, he wouldn't be able to stand.
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proportional strength of a spider actually imbued by fetal alcohol syndrome. over-foreshortened feet never explained
2013-01-10 04:56:13 PM
2 votes:

Celain: maverickzy: This is from 2011.

Can you spot all the things wrong with this picture?

Wow, he forgot to do the weapons again and had to add them in (poorly) at the last minute.
Right arm, which is farther away, is larger than the left. Also doesn't fit body position.
Hips are very asymmetrical.
Belt holding daggers only has half a strap.
At least we don't have feet for him to screw up.


I'm trying to figure out how those breasts exist without nipples. Well... Unless she had a double mastectomy and had reconstruction without the nipple tats. It also bothers me how badly the top lays on her chest.
2013-01-10 04:51:25 PM
2 votes:

rocky_howard: Fun Fact: The males aren't posing like the female.


That's how women are drawn in comics. Almost all the farking time. It doesn't matter what direction they're facing, their ass is always shown. Somehow.

I understand that the target market is 14 year old boys, but its silly and exaggerated especially in the hands of one R. Liefeld.
2013-01-10 03:54:51 PM
2 votes:

FirstNationalBastard: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: They made Wolverine look retarded.

Was it Humberto Ramos;s Wolverine?

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/Ramos: a poor man's Mike Weiringo, without the actual artistic ability to pull off cartoony and have it be good.


Ugh, one of the reasons I stopped reading X-comics years ago.
2013-01-10 02:53:04 PM
2 votes:
1.) Mix random Liefeld images stolen from across the web with PR copy for some crappy CW show.
2.) Post to BuzzFeed.
3.) PROFIT!
2013-01-10 01:53:36 PM
2 votes:
Not that I don't agree that Liefeld is terrible, but at this point aren't we pretty much beating a dead horse?
2013-01-11 01:07:00 AM
1 votes:

Cromar: Alright, alright, making fun of Rob is timeless, but let's turn it around: what are some of the best artists out there right now?


I don't know "best". I only read a few comics.

The aforementioned Batwoman is (mostly) done by J.H. Williams III, and the art is the best part of the line. The stories got way too slow, way too fast for me to want to stay with it, so I'm way behind on that series... but Williams III's stuff is amazing. The story just moved way too slow for me (I get the angst already!!!!!111!!11!). The Batman was also that way... not the angsty thing, but slow. That's the biggest problem IMO: they're milking the Batman/ Gotham lines way too much for my tastes.

As for non-objectified women who could have been done that way... Cliff Chiang's New 52 Wonder Woman is solid stuff, I think. The art isn't crazy awesome like Batwoman, but there's a comic book style and feel to it. You know it's a comic book because it's not hyper-realistic, but it's still good. It's stylized in a good way. And it doesn't happen to need Wonder Woman's ass hanging out to sell the thing. It's just a solid effort... story, art, the whole package. They've made her interesting as a character without resorting to T&A hanging out.

DC isn't "the bestest evar", but the New 52 thing ranges from awful to pretty good. You could do way worse than the Wonder Woman reboot. A shame the Batwoman isn't as interesting as the art.
2013-01-11 01:03:50 AM
1 votes:

YodaBlues: stole



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2013-01-11 12:42:22 AM
1 votes:
s3-ec.buzzfed.com

Holy fark! This exists?!?! That is the worse picture of anything I have ever seen!
2013-01-11 12:38:54 AM
1 votes:
A day late and a dollar short to the discussion, but for the "depiction of women in comics" discussion a good response to it I found was here. In short: context matters. (Here is the original article that spurred the discussion - interesting if a little fast and loose with its interpretations). Power and sexual fantasies for teenage boys (muscle-guns 'n tatas) is fine once in a while - but it really shouldn't come to define the bulk of a publisher (much less an industry). Sure Powergirl is poking fun at the over-the-top depiction of women - but at some point the ironic joke isn't an ironic joke anymore; it's just TnA. W/o a counterbalance around, to provide the meaningful context, it becomes Chapelle's Black White Supremacist - at some point it became a bunch of frat boys shouting "successful and attractive african american" while stumbling down the street, and not social commentary (hence, Africa).
2013-01-11 12:38:23 AM
1 votes:
The sad thing is that DC Comics actually hired that hack Liefield to work on a couple of books in their relaunch last year. Mind-blowing, and it revealed their actual lack of concern for producing quality books.

Then again, the morally reprehensible art-thief and porn-tracer Greg Land was hired to work on one of Marvel's highest-profile books so there is obviously not a lot of integrity in the comic book business.
2013-01-11 12:10:24 AM
1 votes:

FuryOfFirestorm: It's not that comic geeks "hate women", it's just that comic publishers think "boobs on cover = $$$".


I don't think they hate women, per se, but since their primary consumed form of art is gigantor-boobies, they get in a feedback loop: they get bad messages about women from the comics (because Miller may be a tool and an exception, but they all read him), so they do things (often without thinking) that annoy women, so they feel they are being shunned, so they self-select for a closed group of similar guys, which makes them more likely to internalize the bad messages, which means they do stupid stuff, ad nauseum. Most are not bad people, but they seem to have decided women are either out to humiliate them or are actively denying them sex as a form of torture. I have met way too many of these fools to count: I have had to quit Warhammer groups because they were skeeving my wife the fark out (and she married my happy ass, so her dumb-ass tolerance is pretty high). I think the main problem is that they can't see women as fully -formed humans, equally deserving of respect - and more importantly, that you can be friends with women without trying to get laid (oh, you want to fark them, but just realize it ain't happening, and get on with life). I remember a 40K couple where he painted, and she played. That I could have a pleasant conversation with the wife, play a game with her, and not once make a pass or inappropriate comment, and then ask the husband for painting pointers with no preliminary territory-pissing stunned the He-man Woman-haters into comas.
2013-01-10 11:51:32 PM
1 votes:

FuryOfFirestorm: Batwoman


It's been a long time, so maybe I'm not thinking of the right one, but what I've seen of Batwoman seemed like lesbian angst as imagined by an undersexed male.
2013-01-10 11:30:54 PM
1 votes:
Well I'm checking back into this thread. It's one of those reminders that takes me back to when my girlfriends and I would attempt to have our Women's (Comic) Book Club and be met with some of the worst misogyny in the stores we'd go to. I can tell you guys honestly, there's hardly any group around (well, in the West anyway) that has more card carrying members of the He-Man's Woman Haters Club than comic book/gamer nerds.

I was one of the first to drop the group because it was frankly unbearable. It's like nerds are allergic to money from women or something.
2013-01-10 11:25:34 PM
1 votes:
Vaginas should never be on the stomach.

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2013-01-10 09:40:02 PM
1 votes:

Keizer_Ghidorah: Mike Chewbacca: Keizer_Ghidorah: Mike Chewbacca: Keizer_Ghidorah: Teufelaffe: Keizer_Ghidorah: maverickzy: You're right, the comics industry does not have a problem with the portrayal of female heroes.

And that has shiat to do with what we're discussing here. Stay on topic and leave the fallacies at home.

But since you touched on it, they're fictional characters who bear no resemblance to real women, so let's not get all women's lib over ink and paint.

"It's fiction so it doesn't matter" is the biggest cop-out ever.

"The portrayal of fictional women tells men to treat real women as objects" is the same stupidity as "Video games cause children to shoot up schools".

Actually, women are objectified in real life, and that's why they're objectified in our art. Humans are violent in real life, and that's why we have violent video games.

I've never seen real women as merely sex objects to be lusted over because I read a comic book, nor have I ever had the desire to slaughter people because I played Mortal Kombat or Modern Warfare. If comics and games really had that kind of influence, I'd have been in prison years ago for jumping on people's heads and stomping on turtles and throwing them at things.

Did you even read what I wrote? Objectification of women in real life leads to the objectification of women in art, not the other way around. Objectification of women in art is a SYMPTOM of the problem, it is not the cause.

Bleah, my bad. But with so many people attacking comics, games, and other things as the cause for it, things get all mushed together.

The only thing that will fix it is a vast fundamental psychological shift in all of humanity. Something that, barring some cataclysmic event, is very unlikely to happen.


Young boys will always like t&a.
2013-01-10 08:15:50 PM
1 votes:

Keizer_Ghidorah: I created this alt just for this thread: Keizer_Ghidorah: Does that complaint also include how males are portrayed in comic books?

Oh jebus titty-farking christ...you're one of those "comics objectify men too!" people, aren't you?

Oh, sorry, forgot, it's impossible for men to be objectified in any way.


Let me guess, you're also a Men's Rights Advocate.
2013-01-10 07:48:54 PM
1 votes:

maverickzy: How about the sword handle that isn't parallel to the sword blade? Ignoring the usual oddities of perspective. The man clearly used a ruler to draw the blade! How hard is it to line up the handle?


This is a common error of liefeld's. I'm starting to believe that if he worked in a different genre and was a better bullshiat artist, he'd be hailed as a modern Picasso.
2013-01-10 07:39:00 PM
1 votes:

Smackledorfer: Anyways this is stupid because comic books aren't real and don't make little boys objectify women.


No, but because the books objectify women, it's offensive to anyone mature enough to understand that is wrong. When people do things that are stupid and wrong, we should point out that they're being stupid and wrong.
2013-01-10 07:07:31 PM
1 votes:

Teufelaffe:

None of them are doing anything like what the men in the parody picture are doing.

Spend some time looking through the pictures at the Hawkeye Initiative site. You'll see practically every pose from the parody picture in "legit" comic art.


Ohh I had forgotten about the Hawkeye Initiative! Love it. Whenever I see these Liefield threads I begin to realize that his art is the just about all the comic book art that I remember from when I was little and reading comics with my brother. Feels nostalgic and sad, especially since I've gone on to get an art degree and have studied how to draw the human body. This man is drawing comics, and there's so many who could do a better job but will probably never be given the chance.
2013-01-10 06:53:13 PM
1 votes:

scottydoesntknow: Bonanza Jellybean: Does Greg "porno tracer" Land still have a job?

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Hey you gotta give him a little credit. At least all his women are in poses an actual human could do.

/You know, cause he traced over an actual human


Now he's doing Iron Man, and you can pick out the frames from the Avengers and the Iron Man movies he traced.
2013-01-10 06:31:45 PM
1 votes:

Keizer_Ghidorah: Does that complaint also include how males are portrayed in comic books?


Oh jebus titty-farking christ...you're one of those "comics objectify men too!" people, aren't you?
2013-01-10 06:17:52 PM
1 votes:

Keizer_Ghidorah: Teufelaffe: Keizer_Ghidorah: maverickzy: You're right, the comics industry does not have a problem with the portrayal of female heroes.

And that has shiat to do with what we're discussing here. Stay on topic and leave the fallacies at home.

But since you touched on it, they're fictional characters who bear no resemblance to real women, so let's not get all women's lib over ink and paint.

"It's fiction so it doesn't matter" is the biggest cop-out ever.

"The portrayal of fictional women tells men to treat real women as objects" is the same stupidity as "Video games cause children to shoot up schools".


Yes, deciding to kill people is the same as deciding how one feels about gender roles. Your false equivalency is bad and you should feel bad.
2013-01-10 05:50:35 PM
1 votes:
Ah yes, the kind of thread with the kind of poster where I have to punch myself in the balls repeatedly to remind myself that some arguments aren't worth having over the internet.
2013-01-10 05:37:13 PM
1 votes:

maverickzy: You're right, the comics industry does not have a problem with the portrayal of female heroes.


And that has shiat to do with what we're discussing here. Stay on topic and leave the fallacies at home.

But since you touched on it, they're fictional characters who bear no resemblance to real women, so let's not get all women's lib over ink and paint.
2013-01-10 05:30:49 PM
1 votes:
I bet you're really fun at parties.
2013-01-10 05:24:56 PM
1 votes:

Keizer_Ghidorah: maverickzy: rocky_howard: Ishkur: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: "The one where they're auditioning for an off-broadway interpretive dance production"
What does that have to do with anatomy?

To be fair, some poses are really stupid, and the poses are almost always women.

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Oh look, that overblown POS image again. Fun Fact: The males aren't posing like the female. They're just doing intentionally exaggerated crap and a goatse.

Yeah, definitely not ass posing.
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None of them are doing anything like what the men in the parody picture are doing.


Spend some time looking through the pictures at the Hawkeye Initiative site. You'll see practically every pose from the parody picture in "legit" comic art.
2013-01-10 05:04:47 PM
1 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: ManateeGag: Osomatic: Not that I don't agree that Liefeld is terrible, but at this point aren't we pretty much beating a dead horse?

because he's still allowed to draw.  once the madness stops, we will stop biatching about his horrible "art" skills.

Fair enough. But can you at least start coming up with some new examples of how terrible he is? These ones show up on every single "terrible comic book art" list. I'm sure somebody out there can come up with a decent timeline for him at this point.


Liefeld keeps making the same mistakes over and over. Some of these just felt like repeats.
2013-01-10 04:55:48 PM
1 votes:

maverickzy: This is from 2011.

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Can you spot all the things wrong with this picture?


And that's why Liefeld became and remains the poster boy. Most comics artists start out crappy and rise to competence. Despite time and success, his natural talent remains.

It took Liefeld to make me a fan of Don Heck.
2013-01-10 04:53:47 PM
1 votes:

Celain: maverickzy: This is from 2011.

Can you spot all the things wrong with this picture?

Wow, he forgot to do the weapons again and had to add them in (poorly) at the last minute.

Right arm, which is farther away, is larger than the left. Also doesn't fit body position.

Hips are very asymmetrical.

Belt holding daggers only has half a strap.

At least we don't have feet for him to screw up.


Keep going!

Her boob window is perfectly square, while laying on top of said boobage.
There's no strap or anything holding the, what I can only assume, is another sword on her back.
Teeth are one uniform piece of pure white enamel.
2013-01-10 04:51:38 PM
1 votes:

GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: The All-Powerful Atheismo: YodaBlues: 1.) Mix random Liefeld images stolen from across the web with PR copy for some crappy CW show.
2.) Post to BuzzFeed.
3.) PROFIT!

This. Why TF did I just read a commercial for some shiatty show called "Arrow"?

It's a good show bro. Just give it a chance.


shill
2013-01-10 04:49:01 PM
1 votes:

rocky_howard: Ishkur: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: "The one where they're auditioning for an off-broadway interpretive dance production"
What does that have to do with anatomy?

To be fair, some poses are really stupid, and the poses are almost always women.

[www.bytecolumn.com image 850x445]

Oh look, that overblown POS image again. Fun Fact: The males aren't posing like the female. They're just doing intentionally exaggerated crap and a goatse.


You sound oppressed
2013-01-10 04:04:36 PM
1 votes:
Holy fark, that Silver Surfer was the worst thing I've seen in a very VERY long time.
2013-01-10 04:02:08 PM
1 votes:
Someone turned me on to the Escher Girls blog a while ago... makes all this stuff look like high art: Escher Girls
2013-01-10 03:58:52 PM
1 votes:
I hadn't seen that Silver Surfer one before, it's bizaree on a lot of different levels.
2013-01-10 03:50:47 PM
1 votes:

FirstNationalBastard: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: They made Wolverine look retarded.

Was it Humberto Ramos;s Wolverine?

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/Ramos: a poor man's Mike Weiringo, without the actual artistic ability to pull off cartoony and have it be good.


wow, that's... terrible. plus, his right calf is bigger than his head.
2013-01-10 03:50:15 PM
1 votes:

FirstNationalBastard: Humberto Ramos


Back off of Ramos, man. He literally invented the big shoe style. What have you done with your life eh?
2013-01-10 03:43:18 PM
1 votes:

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: "The one where they're auditioning for an off-broadway interpretive dance production"

What does that have to do with anatomy?


Because lazy
 
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