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2013-01-10 09:22:42 PM

Fano: Mike Chewbacca: Keizer_Ghidorah: Teufelaffe: Keizer_Ghidorah: maverickzy: You're right, the comics industry does not have a problem with the portrayal of female heroes.

And that has shiat to do with what we're discussing here. Stay on topic and leave the fallacies at home.

But since you touched on it, they're fictional characters who bear no resemblance to real women, so let's not get all women's lib over ink and paint.

"It's fiction so it doesn't matter" is the biggest cop-out ever.

"The portrayal of fictional women tells men to treat real women as objects" is the same stupidity as "Video games cause children to shoot up schools".

Actually, women are objectified in real life, and that's why they're objectified in our art. Humans are violent in real life, and that's why we have violent video games.

But women (and men) ARE objects.


That's some serious semantic simplification there. The issue isn't the fact of the noun, it's the distillation of an individual into a blank object that someone else can project onto.
 
2013-01-10 09:29:22 PM

maverickzy: This is from 2011.

[robliefeldcreations.com image 569x901]

Can you spot all the things wrong with this picture?


Too much clothing?
 
2013-01-10 09:30:28 PM

Mike Chewbacca: I hear ya. I don't agree with you on this particular topic (I am unhappy when women are overly sexualized like in comics and comic book movies), but I agree with you that it's not the actual problem.

/D&D player
//headbanger
///FPS gamer
////I should be the most violent, evil person on earth if those things ACTUALLY made people misbehave


Honestly, it doesn't bother me at all. They're fictional, so it doesn't harm them. Normal people don't see them and think that they should see or treat real women like mere objects, or attack women or treat them badly for not being like fictional ones. The attitude towards comics, games, etc just feels like a witch hunt or a desperate attempt to make something the focal point for outrage and demonizing.
 
2013-01-10 09:35:05 PM

Flappyhead: Fluorescent Testicle: Arachnophobe: PanicMan: timujin: Celain: maverickzy: This is from 2011.

Can you spot all the things wrong with this picture?

Wow, he forgot to do the weapons again and had to add them in (poorly) at the last minute.

Right arm, which is farther away, is larger than the left. Also doesn't fit body position.

Hips are very asymmetrical.

Belt holding daggers only has half a strap.

At least we don't have feet for him to screw up.

The right hand is squeezed tighter then the diameter of the sword's hilt and her right hip is dislocated.

The cross isn't tied to anything. It's just kind of jammed in her cleavage.

Her fishnets just kind of stop, and her legs appear to be melding into one mermaid-like appendage.

The sword on her back is either the most strangely-sword in modern history, or it's just a floating, bladeless handle, and there don't seem to be any straps holding the damn thing in place.

Look closer, the hand doesn't exist. It's just a thumb.


that's what I thought at first, but the fingers are there, the area right above her thumb is red at least.  They're just closed to the point that the hilt must be about 1/8th inch in diameter.
 
2013-01-10 09:39:22 PM

timujin: that's what I thought at first, but the fingers are there, the area right above her thumb is red at least.  They're just closed to the point that the hilt must be about 1/8th inch in diameter.


I swear that entire picture turns into Escher's Comic Panel if you stare at it for long enough.
 
2013-01-10 09:40:02 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Mike Chewbacca: Keizer_Ghidorah: Mike Chewbacca: Keizer_Ghidorah: Teufelaffe: Keizer_Ghidorah: maverickzy: You're right, the comics industry does not have a problem with the portrayal of female heroes.

And that has shiat to do with what we're discussing here. Stay on topic and leave the fallacies at home.

But since you touched on it, they're fictional characters who bear no resemblance to real women, so let's not get all women's lib over ink and paint.

"It's fiction so it doesn't matter" is the biggest cop-out ever.

"The portrayal of fictional women tells men to treat real women as objects" is the same stupidity as "Video games cause children to shoot up schools".

Actually, women are objectified in real life, and that's why they're objectified in our art. Humans are violent in real life, and that's why we have violent video games.

I've never seen real women as merely sex objects to be lusted over because I read a comic book, nor have I ever had the desire to slaughter people because I played Mortal Kombat or Modern Warfare. If comics and games really had that kind of influence, I'd have been in prison years ago for jumping on people's heads and stomping on turtles and throwing them at things.

Did you even read what I wrote? Objectification of women in real life leads to the objectification of women in art, not the other way around. Objectification of women in art is a SYMPTOM of the problem, it is not the cause.

Bleah, my bad. But with so many people attacking comics, games, and other things as the cause for it, things get all mushed together.

The only thing that will fix it is a vast fundamental psychological shift in all of humanity. Something that, barring some cataclysmic event, is very unlikely to happen.


Young boys will always like t&a.
 
2013-01-10 09:43:16 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: timujin: that's what I thought at first, but the fingers are there, the area right above her thumb is red at least.  They're just closed to the point that the hilt must be about 1/8th inch in diameter.

I swear that entire picture turns into Escher's Comic Panel if you stare at it for long enough.


Good thing there are so few words before a page turn.
 
2013-01-10 09:45:04 PM
www.damnlol.com
 
2013-01-10 09:58:59 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: timujin: that's what I thought at first, but the fingers are there, the area right above her thumb is red at least.  They're just closed to the point that the hilt must be about 1/8th inch in diameter.

I swear that entire picture turns into Escher's Comic Panel if you stare at it for long enough.


Oh god you're right. It's just so... weird.
 
2013-01-10 10:05:48 PM
So who wants to objectify some women with me?
 
2013-01-10 10:07:06 PM

PanicMan: Fluorescent Testicle: timujin: that's what I thought at first, but the fingers are there, the area right above her thumb is red at least.  They're just closed to the point that the hilt must be about 1/8th inch in diameter.

I swear that entire picture turns into Escher's Comic Panel if you stare at it for long enough.

Oh god you're right. It's just so... weird.


Damn, started out looking like typically hot-girl panel, then it starts to come apart, impressions of motion or turning in one part, while stock-still in another, the Swords of Escher, the conjoined knees, etc etc. I think Cthulu may be in there somewhere.
 
2013-01-10 10:22:44 PM

timujin: Flappyhead: Fluorescent Testicle: Arachnophobe: PanicMan: timujin: Celain: maverickzy: This is from 2011.

Can you spot all the things wrong with this picture?

Wow, he forgot to do the weapons again and had to add them in (poorly) at the last minute.

Right arm, which is farther away, is larger than the left. Also doesn't fit body position.

Hips are very asymmetrical.

Belt holding daggers only has half a strap.

At least we don't have feet for him to screw up.

The right hand is squeezed tighter then the diameter of the sword's hilt and her right hip is dislocated.

The cross isn't tied to anything. It's just kind of jammed in her cleavage.

Her fishnets just kind of stop, and her legs appear to be melding into one mermaid-like appendage.

The sword on her back is either the most strangely-sword in modern history, or it's just a floating, bladeless handle, and there don't seem to be any straps holding the damn thing in place.

Look closer, the hand doesn't exist. It's just a thumb.

that's what I thought at first, but the fingers are there, the area right above her thumb is red at least.  They're just closed to the point that the hilt must be about 1/8th inch in diameter.


That's because it's a draw-over. Rob drew the hand first, then realized he needed swords and put one on a clenched fist. His depth and scaling are(as usual) all screwed up so the giant hilt and guard obliterated the hand except for the thumb and some forefinger. For all intents and purposes, the hand itself no longer exists. He's done similar things like drawing boobs over sword blades with equaly hilarious results.
 
2013-01-10 10:24:37 PM
Wait, 7 is not good bad-fanfic?

I did enjoy 3. Loki is shown groveling on his knees and holding her hand near his face as I can assume she is standing. Given that her hands do not reach past her waist and her legs are 2x her torso... I would place her height at about ~4.5'.
 
2013-01-10 10:26:49 PM

Bonanza Jellybean: Does Greg "porno tracer" Land still have a job?

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 400x264]


Better: He's the artist for Iron Man.
 
2013-01-10 10:35:26 PM

maverickzy: This is from 2011.

[robliefeldcreations.com image 569x901]

Can you spot all the things wrong with this picture?


haha, her left hand is not even holding the sword! ... and her pelvic area extends to her knees...
 
2013-01-10 10:36:23 PM

Ishkur: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: "The one where they're auditioning for an off-broadway interpretive dance production"
What does that have to do with anatomy?

To be fair, some poses are really stupid, and the poses are almost always women.

[www.bytecolumn.com image 850x445]


Shat myself a little bit I did. THAT is funny.
 
2013-01-10 10:41:15 PM

Arn_Dee: scottydoesntknow: PonceAlyosha: scottydoesntknow: Bonanza Jellybean: Does Greg "porno tracer" Land still have a job?

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 400x264]

Hey you gotta give him a little credit. At least all his women are in poses an actual human could do.

/You know, cause he traced over an actual human

Now he's doing Iron Man, and you can pick out the frames from the Avengers and the Iron Man movies he traced.

Heh I've been looking at some of the blogs about him since Bonanza Jellybean posted that picture. Pretty freaking hilarious. He's copied everyone from Sandra Bullock to Triple H, from Ray Liotta to Sports Illustrated Swimsuit covers. He's also stolen quite a bit from other artists

http://jimsmashextended.blogspot.co.uk/2008/07/greg-land-tracing-swip i ng-recycling.html

http://fark-no-greg-land.tumblr.com/

/I was intrigued and went looking.


There goes my evening. That's go bad it's... still bad. But I can't look away.
 
2013-01-10 11:07:47 PM
This AGAIN? What do writers for Buzzfeed do the other 364 days a year?
 
2013-01-10 11:25:34 PM
Vaginas should never be on the stomach.

s3-ec.buzzfed.com
 
2013-01-10 11:26:25 PM

DeaH: Vaginas should never be on the stomach.


Gives new meaning to the term "gunt".
 
2013-01-10 11:30:54 PM
Well I'm checking back into this thread. It's one of those reminders that takes me back to when my girlfriends and I would attempt to have our Women's (Comic) Book Club and be met with some of the worst misogyny in the stores we'd go to. I can tell you guys honestly, there's hardly any group around (well, in the West anyway) that has more card carrying members of the He-Man's Woman Haters Club than comic book/gamer nerds.

I was one of the first to drop the group because it was frankly unbearable. It's like nerds are allergic to money from women or something.
 
2013-01-10 11:32:02 PM

DeaH: Vaginas should never be on the stomach.

[s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 600x684]


There is no stomach in that image. She has a spine, some muscle, and then skin stretched over it. Jesus.
 
2013-01-10 11:35:28 PM

DeaH: Vaginas should never be on the stomach.

[s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 600x684]


comedycentral.mtvnimages.com

Three-hole?
 
2013-01-10 11:38:18 PM

KatjaMouse: Well I'm checking back into this thread. It's one of those reminders that takes me back to when my girlfriends and I would attempt to have our Women's (Comic) Book Club and be met with some of the worst misogyny in the stores we'd go to. I can tell you guys honestly, there's hardly any group around (well, in the West anyway) that has more card carrying members of the He-Man's Woman Haters Club than comic book/gamer nerds.

I was one of the first to drop the group because it was frankly unbearable. It's like nerds are allergic to money from women or something.


you need some Gilbert Hernandez in your life, hun.
 
2013-01-10 11:42:23 PM

KatjaMouse: Well I'm checking back into this thread. It's one of those reminders that takes me back to when my girlfriends and I would attempt to have our Women's (Comic) Book Club and be met with some of the worst misogyny in the stores we'd go to. I can tell you guys honestly, there's hardly any group around (well, in the West anyway) that has more card carrying members of the He-Man's Woman Haters Club than comic book/gamer nerds.

I was one of the first to drop the group because it was frankly unbearable. It's like nerds are allergic to money from women or something.


I think the frustration being an eternal virgin must get to them.
 
2013-01-10 11:43:18 PM

KatjaMouse: Well I'm checking back into this thread. It's one of those reminders that takes me back to when my girlfriends and I would attempt to have our Women's (Comic) Book Club and be met with some of the worst misogyny in the stores we'd go to. I can tell you guys honestly, there's hardly any group around (well, in the West anyway) that has more card carrying members of the He-Man's Woman Haters Club than comic book/gamer nerds.

I was one of the first to drop the group because it was frankly unbearable. It's like nerds are allergic to money from women or something.


It's not that comic geeks "hate women", it's just that comic publishers think "boobs on cover = $$$". Of course, just like in every business, there are some straight out misogynists (like Dave "Women are voids" Sim and Frank "Every woman I write is a whore" Miller) but they are the exception, not the rule. Check out Strangers In Paradise, Maggie And Hopey, Love And Rockets, Batwoman, and pretty much anything written by Gail Simone.
 
2013-01-10 11:44:49 PM

KatjaMouse: there's hardly any group around (well, in the West anyway) that has more card carrying members of the He-Man's Woman Haters Club than comic book/gamer nerds.


I have often considered starting a service for these guys: "How to be a gamer/comics geek/general nerd and still not be shunned" But I feel bad about taking money from guys for essentially telling them "Being a farking asshole isn't making you edgy, just a tool; treat women as if they are fully-functioning human beings, and one of them might let you see a real nipple some day; and learn to notice when people's eyes start to glaze over so you can stop talking about the Necron codex for a few minutes; also, don't roll your eyes when someone doesn't know the occupation of every background NPC in Dragon Age."
 
2013-01-10 11:49:57 PM

Celain: maverickzy: This is from 2011.

Can you spot all the things wrong with this picture?

Wow, he forgot to do the weapons again and had to add them in (poorly) at the last minute.

Right arm, which is farther away, is larger than the left. Also doesn't fit body position.

Hips are very asymmetrical.

Belt holding daggers only has half a strap.

At least we don't have feet for him to screw up.


Also, her nipples should be showing in that top. And a top that tight should have proper headlights.
 
2013-01-10 11:51:32 PM

FuryOfFirestorm: Batwoman


It's been a long time, so maybe I'm not thinking of the right one, but what I've seen of Batwoman seemed like lesbian angst as imagined by an undersexed male.
 
2013-01-10 11:51:50 PM

phalamir: KatjaMouse: there's hardly any group around (well, in the West anyway) that has more card carrying members of the He-Man's Woman Haters Club than comic book/gamer nerds.

I have often considered starting a service for these guys: "How to be a gamer/comics geek/general nerd and still not be shunned" But I feel bad about taking money from guys for essentially telling them "Being a farking asshole isn't making you edgy, just a tool; treat women as if they are fully-functioning human beings, and one of them might let you see a real nipple some day; and learn to notice when people's eyes start to glaze over so you can stop talking about the Necron codex for a few minutes; also, don't roll your eyes when someone doesn't know the occupation of every background NPC in Dragon Age."


"Cool Eye For The Geek Guy"?
 
2013-01-10 11:54:13 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: FuryOfFirestorm: Batwoman

It's been a long time, so maybe I'm not thinking of the right one, but what I've seen of Batwoman seemed like lesbian angst as imagined by an undersexed male.


Well, she is a lesbian, but that's just one facet of the character. The art alone is worth the price of admission. The stories and characterization are frosting on the cake.
 
2013-01-10 11:55:28 PM

KatjaMouse: DeaH: Vaginas should never be on the stomach.

[s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 600x684]

There is no stomach in that image. She has a spine, some muscle, and then skin stretched over it. Jesus.


It looks to me that her stomach is a giant, blue vagina.
 
2013-01-11 12:10:24 AM

FuryOfFirestorm: It's not that comic geeks "hate women", it's just that comic publishers think "boobs on cover = $$$".


I don't think they hate women, per se, but since their primary consumed form of art is gigantor-boobies, they get in a feedback loop: they get bad messages about women from the comics (because Miller may be a tool and an exception, but they all read him), so they do things (often without thinking) that annoy women, so they feel they are being shunned, so they self-select for a closed group of similar guys, which makes them more likely to internalize the bad messages, which means they do stupid stuff, ad nauseum. Most are not bad people, but they seem to have decided women are either out to humiliate them or are actively denying them sex as a form of torture. I have met way too many of these fools to count: I have had to quit Warhammer groups because they were skeeving my wife the fark out (and she married my happy ass, so her dumb-ass tolerance is pretty high). I think the main problem is that they can't see women as fully -formed humans, equally deserving of respect - and more importantly, that you can be friends with women without trying to get laid (oh, you want to fark them, but just realize it ain't happening, and get on with life). I remember a 40K couple where he painted, and she played. That I could have a pleasant conversation with the wife, play a game with her, and not once make a pass or inappropriate comment, and then ask the husband for painting pointers with no preliminary territory-pissing stunned the He-man Woman-haters into comas.
 
2013-01-11 12:12:25 AM

KatjaMouse: Well I'm checking back into this thread. It's one of those reminders that takes me back to when my girlfriends and I would attempt to have our Women's (Comic) Book Club and be met with some of the worst misogyny in the stores we'd go to. I can tell you guys honestly, there's hardly any group around (well, in the West anyway) that has more card carrying members of the He-Man's Woman Haters Club than comic book/gamer nerds.

I was one of the first to drop the group because it was frankly unbearable. It's like nerds are allergic to money from women or something.


Don't call all of us evil because of the actions of a few.
 
2013-01-11 12:16:11 AM

DeaH: Vaginas should never be on the stomach.


Man he didn't even try.
 
2013-01-11 12:30:12 AM
Alright, alright, making fun of Rob is timeless, but let's turn it around: what are some of the best artists out there right now?
 
2013-01-11 12:38:23 AM
The sad thing is that DC Comics actually hired that hack Liefield to work on a couple of books in their relaunch last year. Mind-blowing, and it revealed their actual lack of concern for producing quality books.

Then again, the morally reprehensible art-thief and porn-tracer Greg Land was hired to work on one of Marvel's highest-profile books so there is obviously not a lot of integrity in the comic book business.
 
2013-01-11 12:38:54 AM
A day late and a dollar short to the discussion, but for the "depiction of women in comics" discussion a good response to it I found was here. In short: context matters. (Here is the original article that spurred the discussion - interesting if a little fast and loose with its interpretations). Power and sexual fantasies for teenage boys (muscle-guns 'n tatas) is fine once in a while - but it really shouldn't come to define the bulk of a publisher (much less an industry). Sure Powergirl is poking fun at the over-the-top depiction of women - but at some point the ironic joke isn't an ironic joke anymore; it's just TnA. W/o a counterbalance around, to provide the meaningful context, it becomes Chapelle's Black White Supremacist - at some point it became a bunch of frat boys shouting "successful and attractive african american" while stumbling down the street, and not social commentary (hence, Africa).
 
2013-01-11 12:42:22 AM
s3-ec.buzzfed.com

Holy fark! This exists?!?! That is the worse picture of anything I have ever seen!
 
2013-01-11 12:54:52 AM

SineSwiper: [s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 600x861]


www.gilbertgottfried.com
 
2013-01-11 01:03:50 AM

YodaBlues: stole



Speaking of stolen
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2013-01-11 01:07:00 AM

Cromar: Alright, alright, making fun of Rob is timeless, but let's turn it around: what are some of the best artists out there right now?


I don't know "best". I only read a few comics.

The aforementioned Batwoman is (mostly) done by J.H. Williams III, and the art is the best part of the line. The stories got way too slow, way too fast for me to want to stay with it, so I'm way behind on that series... but Williams III's stuff is amazing. The story just moved way too slow for me (I get the angst already!!!!!111!!11!). The Batman was also that way... not the angsty thing, but slow. That's the biggest problem IMO: they're milking the Batman/ Gotham lines way too much for my tastes.

As for non-objectified women who could have been done that way... Cliff Chiang's New 52 Wonder Woman is solid stuff, I think. The art isn't crazy awesome like Batwoman, but there's a comic book style and feel to it. You know it's a comic book because it's not hyper-realistic, but it's still good. It's stylized in a good way. And it doesn't happen to need Wonder Woman's ass hanging out to sell the thing. It's just a solid effort... story, art, the whole package. They've made her interesting as a character without resorting to T&A hanging out.

DC isn't "the bestest evar", but the New 52 thing ranges from awful to pretty good. You could do way worse than the Wonder Woman reboot. A shame the Batwoman isn't as interesting as the art.
 
2013-01-11 01:16:34 AM

phalamir: KatjaMouse: there's hardly any group around (well, in the West anyway) that has more card carrying members of the He-Man's Woman Haters Club than comic book/gamer nerds.

I have often considered starting a service for these guys: "How to be a gamer/comics geek/general nerd and still not be shunned" But I feel bad about taking money from guys for essentially telling them "Being a farking asshole isn't making you edgy, just a tool; treat women as if they are fully-functioning human beings, and one of them might let you see a real nipple some day; and learn to notice when people's eyes start to glaze over so you can stop talking about the Necron codex for a few minutes; also, don't roll your eyes when someone doesn't know the occupation of every background NPC in Dragon Age."


You'd be amazed how hard it is to get this basic idea across to some people.
 
2013-01-11 01:22:16 AM

hbk72777: YodaBlues: stole


Speaking of stolen
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Um... now you're just biatching to be biatching.

If it was a completely different story about a different character, I'd agree with stolen. But it's the same shiatty origin story told for the 3,000th time... so why not swipe the same art along with the same old story?

/How many times have you seen Action Comics #1 or Amazing Fantasy #15 covers swiped?
 
2013-01-11 01:25:44 AM

Cromar: Alright, alright, making fun of Rob is timeless, but let's turn it around: what are some of the best artists out there right now?


George Perez. FOREVER!

Jim Lee, Yildiray Cindar, Ethan Van Sciver, and Phil Noto.
 
2013-01-11 01:28:16 AM

FirstNationalBastard: hbk72777: YodaBlues: stole


Speaking of stolen
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Um... now you're just biatching to be biatching.

If it was a completely different story about a different character, I'd agree with stolen. But it's the same shiatty origin story told for the 3,000th time... so why not swipe the same art along with the same old story?

/How many times have you seen Action Comics #1 or Amazing Fantasy #15 covers swiped?


I see it more of a homage or an in-joke. Swipes usually aren't that obvious. But this is Liefeld, so I could be wrong.
 
2013-01-11 01:29:02 AM

SineSwiper: [s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 600x861]

Holy fark! This exists?!?! That is the worse picture of anything I have ever seen!



Jebus, that's got to be the derpiest Wolverine ever. And someone at Marvel payed for that shiat?
 
2013-01-11 01:33:44 AM
I can't believe that people are paying at least four bucks an issue for this sh*t.
 
2013-01-11 01:43:41 AM

Valiente: Osomatic: Not that I don't agree that Liefeld is terrible, but at this point aren't we pretty much beating a dead horse?

FlashHarry: liefeld's captain is still one of the worst things i've ever seen in my life.

Not until he is crushed beneath a dead horse, no. Or at least his drawing hand.


Be careful...
www.evilontwolegs.comwww.tcmuk.tv

... no telling what it might do on its own.
 
2013-01-11 01:53:45 AM

hbk72777: YodaBlues: stole


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Wow he screwed up that arm holding the cell phone, the bicep is almost bigger than the forearm.
 
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