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2013-01-10 06:10:09 PM

Serial Killer X: The My Little Pony Killer: ManateeGag: Osomatic: Not that I don't agree that Liefeld is terrible, but at this point aren't we pretty much beating a dead horse?

because he's still allowed to draw.  once the madness stops, we will stop biatching about his horrible "art" skills.

Fair enough. But can you at least start coming up with some new examples of how terrible he is? These ones show up on every single "terrible comic book art" list. I'm sure somebody out there can come up with a decent timeline for him at this point.

Sure, these are from September last year.
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The gun Slade is holding, it has no grip. Hell it doesn't even appear to have a trigger. And I don't even want to talk about the crotch.
 
2013-01-10 06:10:11 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Teufelaffe: Keizer_Ghidorah: maverickzy: You're right, the comics industry does not have a problem with the portrayal of female heroes.

And that has shiat to do with what we're discussing here. Stay on topic and leave the fallacies at home.

But since you touched on it, they're fictional characters who bear no resemblance to real women, so let's not get all women's lib over ink and paint.

"It's fiction so it doesn't matter" is the biggest cop-out ever.

"The portrayal of fictional women tells men to treat real women as objects" is the same stupidity as "Video games cause children to shoot up schools".


I object to the portrayal of women in most comics because it's insulting, looks moronic, and 99% of the time, the artist spent too much time making sure I could see the woman's tits and both ass cheeks at the same time and not enough time on anything else.
 
2013-01-10 06:11:13 PM

born_yesterday: Liefeld is the Honey Boo Boo of comic book art


Don't say that. With the way society is going, that could be the best thing to happen to him.
 
2013-01-10 06:14:16 PM

Ishkur: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: "The one where they're auditioning for an off-broadway interpretive dance production"
What does that have to do with anatomy?

To be fair, some poses are really stupid, and the poses are almost always women.

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Hawkeye and Black Widow have the exact same pose, they just happen to be on opposite sides of the picture. Not that that wasn't intentional. And Hawkeye's is stupider, as I'm fairly certain he's about to smack himself in the face with his bowstring.
 
2013-01-10 06:17:52 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Teufelaffe: Keizer_Ghidorah: maverickzy: You're right, the comics industry does not have a problem with the portrayal of female heroes.

And that has shiat to do with what we're discussing here. Stay on topic and leave the fallacies at home.

But since you touched on it, they're fictional characters who bear no resemblance to real women, so let's not get all women's lib over ink and paint.

"It's fiction so it doesn't matter" is the biggest cop-out ever.

"The portrayal of fictional women tells men to treat real women as objects" is the same stupidity as "Video games cause children to shoot up schools".


Yes, deciding to kill people is the same as deciding how one feels about gender roles. Your false equivalency is bad and you should feel bad.
 
2013-01-10 06:22:08 PM

Teufelaffe: I object to the portrayal of women in most comics because it's insulting, looks moronic, and 99% of the time, the artist spent too much time making sure I could see the woman's tits and both ass cheeks at the same time and not enough time on anything else.


Does that complaint also include how males are portrayed in comic books?

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Yes, deciding to kill people is the same as deciding how one feels about gender roles. Your false equivalency is bad and you should feel bad.


Both operate under "Seeing/doing this will make people think/act this way". You've heard people saying "Comic books teach kids to objectify women!", have you not? Same thing as "Video games will teach kids to be violent". I said nothing of gender roles, so please stop putting words in my mouth.
 
2013-01-10 06:22:49 PM

theorellior: I went looking for the anigif of Captain America's chest bouncing in and out with the wings on his hat wiggling, but my Google-fu has failed me.


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-01-10 06:23:06 PM
Does Greg "porno tracer" Land still have a job?

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-10 06:31:45 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Does that complaint also include how males are portrayed in comic books?


Oh jebus titty-farking christ...you're one of those "comics objectify men too!" people, aren't you?
 
2013-01-10 06:35:22 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Yes, deciding to kill people is the same as deciding how one feels about gender roles. Your false equivalency is bad and you should feel bad.

Both operate under "Seeing/doing this will make people think/act this way". You've heard people saying "Comic books teach kids to objectify women!", have you not? Same thing as "Video games will teach kids to be violent". I said nothing of gender roles, so please stop putting words in my mouth.


And the fact that you think that teaching kids to objectify women and teaching kids to be violent are equivalent further solidifies your position as a moron (not to mention the fact that you somehow think that gender roles and the objectification of women are not deeply intertwined). I have better things to do than read your tripe. Good day.
 
2013-01-10 06:35:53 PM

Smackledorfer: Pouches would be a staple of any real super hero.

But the rest of liefeld is crap.


He did invent Deadpool IIRC, so I'll give him some cred for that. ( Doesn't make up for some truly awful things, like the Hawk & Dove series from the nu52 )
 
2013-01-10 06:38:51 PM

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Keizer_Ghidorah: Teufelaffe: Keizer_Ghidorah: maverickzy: You're right, the comics industry does not have a problem with the portrayal of female heroes.

And that has shiat to do with what we're discussing here. Stay on topic and leave the fallacies at home.

But since you touched on it, they're fictional characters who bear no resemblance to real women, so let's not get all women's lib over ink and paint.

"It's fiction so it doesn't matter" is the biggest cop-out ever.

"The portrayal of fictional women tells men to treat real women as objects" is the same stupidity as "Video games cause children to shoot up schools".

Yes, deciding to kill people is the same as deciding how one feels about gender roles. Your false equivalency is bad and you should feel bad.


The two don't have to be the same for the comparison to be apt.

In fact, A is to B as C is to D RARELY involves a situation where A=C or B=D.

Looking at pictures of women doesn't cause men to treat them worse. Don't be stupid.
 
2013-01-10 06:39:25 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Does that complaint also include how males are portrayed in comic books?


Not as much, since male characters in comics tend to be far less sexualized in their costumes and body positions. They usually just slap a bunch of muscles and/or weapons on the male characters, but they still put them in fairly "normal" poses that wouldn't require scoliosis to achieve.
 
2013-01-10 06:43:07 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: theorellior: I went looking for the anigif of Captain America's chest bouncing in and out with the wings on his hat wiggling, but my Google-fu has failed me.

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Well, that's officially one of the more disturbing things I've seen today.
 
2013-01-10 06:47:45 PM

Bonanza Jellybean: Does Greg "porno tracer" Land still have a job?

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Hey you gotta give him a little credit. At least all his women are in poses an actual human could do.

/You know, cause he traced over an actual human
 
2013-01-10 06:53:13 PM

scottydoesntknow: Bonanza Jellybean: Does Greg "porno tracer" Land still have a job?

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 400x264]

Hey you gotta give him a little credit. At least all his women are in poses an actual human could do.

/You know, cause he traced over an actual human


Now he's doing Iron Man, and you can pick out the frames from the Avengers and the Iron Man movies he traced.
 
2013-01-10 07:06:49 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: theorellior: I went looking for the anigif of Captain America's chest bouncing in and out with the wings on his hat wiggling, but my Google-fu has failed me.

[25.media.tumblr.com image 200x200]


www.nobodygoeshere.com
 
2013-01-10 07:07:26 PM

PonceAlyosha: scottydoesntknow: Bonanza Jellybean: Does Greg "porno tracer" Land still have a job?

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 400x264]

Hey you gotta give him a little credit. At least all his women are in poses an actual human could do.

/You know, cause he traced over an actual human

Now he's doing Iron Man, and you can pick out the frames from the Avengers and the Iron Man movies he traced.


Heh I've been looking at some of the blogs about him since Bonanza Jellybean posted that picture. Pretty freaking hilarious. He's copied everyone from Sandra Bullock to Triple H, from Ray Liotta to Sports Illustrated Swimsuit covers. He's also stolen quite a bit from other artists
 
2013-01-10 07:07:31 PM

Teufelaffe:

None of them are doing anything like what the men in the parody picture are doing.

Spend some time looking through the pictures at the Hawkeye Initiative site. You'll see practically every pose from the parody picture in "legit" comic art.


Ohh I had forgotten about the Hawkeye Initiative! Love it. Whenever I see these Liefield threads I begin to realize that his art is the just about all the comic book art that I remember from when I was little and reading comics with my brother. Feels nostalgic and sad, especially since I've gone on to get an art degree and have studied how to draw the human body. This man is drawing comics, and there's so many who could do a better job but will probably never be given the chance.
 
2013-01-10 07:12:38 PM

moothemagiccow: I suppose this explains why Alex Ross is the only popular comics illustrator.

Superheroes are not realistic. They do not need to look realistic. They wear brightly colored costumes, are all in above average shape, and adopt pseudonyms when their identities are public.

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If cyclops's pelvis was this small compared to his shoulders, he wouldn't be able to stand.
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proportional strength of a spider actually imbued by fetal alcohol syndrome. over-foreshortened feet never explained


The X-Men may not be "realistic", but aside from the occasional mutant here and there, they still have basic human anatomy. Liefield has been in the industry since the late 1980s, yet he still draws characters with more teeth than a shark and grown men with feet like those of a 5 year old girl.
 
2013-01-10 07:17:00 PM

scottydoesntknow: PonceAlyosha: scottydoesntknow: Bonanza Jellybean: Does Greg "porno tracer" Land still have a job?

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 400x264]

Hey you gotta give him a little credit. At least all his women are in poses an actual human could do.

/You know, cause he traced over an actual human

Now he's doing Iron Man, and you can pick out the frames from the Avengers and the Iron Man movies he traced.

Heh I've been looking at some of the blogs about him since Bonanza Jellybean posted that picture. Pretty freaking hilarious. He's copied everyone from Sandra Bullock to Triple H, from Ray Liotta to Sports Illustrated Swimsuit covers. He's also stolen quite a bit from other artists


http://jimsmashextended.blogspot.co.uk/2008/07/greg-land-tracing-swip i ng-recycling.html

http://fark-no-greg-land.tumblr.com/

/I was intrigued and went looking.
 
2013-01-10 07:18:17 PM
So intrigued I forgot to make clicky.
 
2013-01-10 07:31:00 PM

Teufelaffe: Keizer_Ghidorah: Does that complaint also include how males are portrayed in comic books?

Not as much, since male characters in comics tend to be far less sexualized in their costumes and body positions. They usually just slap a bunch of muscles and/or weapons on the male characters, but they still put them in fairly "normal" poses that wouldn't require scoliosis to achieve.


Well we don't have nipples and women have told me they don't look for a bulge, so muscles, face, and grooming are what you have left.

And don't discount things like the prince charming dreams or attraction to strength, power, ambition etc.

It isn't nipples, I'll agree to that. But I am no more capable of meeting the standards of a superman than women a psylocke.

Anyways this is stupid because comic books aren't real and don't make little boys objectify women. Adults and teens are going to be infinitely more influenced by the women in their lives or even simply the more realistic portayals of women on tv, both fiction and reality shows.
 
2013-01-10 07:39:00 PM

Smackledorfer: Anyways this is stupid because comic books aren't real and don't make little boys objectify women.


No, but because the books objectify women, it's offensive to anyone mature enough to understand that is wrong. When people do things that are stupid and wrong, we should point out that they're being stupid and wrong.
 
2013-01-10 07:48:54 PM

maverickzy: How about the sword handle that isn't parallel to the sword blade? Ignoring the usual oddities of perspective. The man clearly used a ruler to draw the blade! How hard is it to line up the handle?


This is a common error of liefeld's. I'm starting to believe that if he worked in a different genre and was a better bullshiat artist, he'd be hailed as a modern Picasso.
 
2013-01-10 07:53:19 PM

timujin: Celain: maverickzy: This is from 2011.

Can you spot all the things wrong with this picture?

Wow, he forgot to do the weapons again and had to add them in (poorly) at the last minute.

Right arm, which is farther away, is larger than the left. Also doesn't fit body position.

Hips are very asymmetrical.

Belt holding daggers only has half a strap.

At least we don't have feet for him to screw up.

The right hand is squeezed tighter then the diameter of the sword's hilt and her right hip is dislocated.


The cross isn't tied to anything. It's just kind of jammed in her cleavage.
 
2013-01-10 07:56:08 PM

PanicMan: timujin: Celain: maverickzy: This is from 2011.

Can you spot all the things wrong with this picture?

Wow, he forgot to do the weapons again and had to add them in (poorly) at the last minute.

Right arm, which is farther away, is larger than the left. Also doesn't fit body position.

Hips are very asymmetrical.

Belt holding daggers only has half a strap.

At least we don't have feet for him to screw up.

The right hand is squeezed tighter then the diameter of the sword's hilt and her right hip is dislocated.

The cross isn't tied to anything. It's just kind of jammed in her cleavage.


Nah, it's stapled to her sternum.
 
2013-01-10 07:57:37 PM

PanicMan: timujin: Celain: maverickzy: This is from 2011.

Can you spot all the things wrong with this picture?

Wow, he forgot to do the weapons again and had to add them in (poorly) at the last minute.

Right arm, which is farther away, is larger than the left. Also doesn't fit body position.

Hips are very asymmetrical.

Belt holding daggers only has half a strap.

At least we don't have feet for him to screw up.

The right hand is squeezed tighter then the diameter of the sword's hilt and her right hip is dislocated.

The cross isn't tied to anything. It's just kind of jammed in her cleavage.


Her fishnets just kind of stop, and her legs appear to be melding into one mermaid-like appendage.
 
2013-01-10 08:00:03 PM

Arachnophobe: PanicMan: timujin: Celain: maverickzy: This is from 2011.

Can you spot all the things wrong with this picture?

Wow, he forgot to do the weapons again and had to add them in (poorly) at the last minute.

Right arm, which is farther away, is larger than the left. Also doesn't fit body position.

Hips are very asymmetrical.

Belt holding daggers only has half a strap.

At least we don't have feet for him to screw up.

The right hand is squeezed tighter then the diameter of the sword's hilt and her right hip is dislocated.

The cross isn't tied to anything. It's just kind of jammed in her cleavage.

Her fishnets just kind of stop, and her legs appear to be melding into one mermaid-like appendage.


Yeah, it looks almost as if the pic was supposed to be cropped just a little bit higher.  There's the legs, the stockings and the shadowing on the, um, ribbons??  Whatever that shiat is attached to her bikini.
 
2013-01-10 08:00:44 PM

the_vicious_fez: Someone turned me on to the Escher Girls blog a while ago... makes all this stuff look like high art: Escher Girls


24.media.tumblr.com

looks like i have some shopping to do. never heard of it, but want to buy. thanks for the link. you're right, regarding the straight examples on the site... those are very, very, very bad.
 
2013-01-10 08:10:00 PM

I created this alt just for this thread: Keizer_Ghidorah: Does that complaint also include how males are portrayed in comic books?

Oh jebus titty-farking christ...you're one of those "comics objectify men too!" people, aren't you?


Oh, sorry, forgot, it's impossible for men to be objectified in any way.

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Keizer_Ghidorah: Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Yes, deciding to kill people is the same as deciding how one feels about gender roles. Your false equivalency is bad and you should feel bad.

Both operate under "Seeing/doing this will make people think/act this way". You've heard people saying "Comic books teach kids to objectify women!", have you not? Same thing as "Video games will teach kids to be violent". I said nothing of gender roles, so please stop putting words in my mouth.

And the fact that you think that teaching kids to objectify women and teaching kids to be violent are equivalent further solidifies your position as a moron (not to mention the fact that you somehow think that gender roles and the objectification of women are not deeply intertwined). I have better things to do than read your tripe. Good day.


Yes, they ARE equivalent. They're equivalently STUPID. Unlike you, I don't see a majority of people reading comics and thinking "Aw yeah, this is how I want women to be in real life, just candy for me to enjoy!", just like I don't see the majority of people who play video games thinking "Aw yeah, I wish I could blow away an entire country using only a machine gun in real life!". You're the one who seems to think that comics are tools to make kids think women are objects and lust material, if that's not what you think then maybe you could tell me about how you think and then we can have an actual discussion, instead of your petulant little "I'm gonna run away because you're a doodie head" tantrum.
 
2013-01-10 08:12:12 PM

maverickzy: This is from 2011.

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Can you spot all the things wrong with this picture?


I don't really understand what the sword in her right hand is doing, and her ilium looks too large. Other than that, this... actually isn't horrible for Liefeld. Maybe he's been practicing or something.
 
2013-01-10 08:14:54 PM

Teufelaffe: Keizer_Ghidorah: Does that complaint also include how males are portrayed in comic books?

Not as much, since male characters in comics tend to be far less sexualized in their costumes and body positions. They usually just slap a bunch of muscles and/or weapons on the male characters, but they still put them in fairly "normal" poses that wouldn't require scoliosis to achieve.


There's a difference between 'power fantasy', which is what men are frequently drawn like in comics, and 'sexual fantasy', which is how women are frequently drawn. Since the target audience is young and male, they're given over-testosterone'd Wolverines or Iron Fists to identify with while Power Girl is the hot thing you can cum on in the bathroom later.

It's not bad entirely, but overly defending it to the exclusion of changing anything and allowing more diversity in the field is a pretty shiatty thing to do. Comics that handle women without oversexualization (or allowing the sexuality and adding empowerment to it) are frequently indie, such as Artesia or Finder, and have a hard time topping the market share.

To put it out there, I know of one example of turning a male into a sex fantasy off the top of my head and that's Devin Grayson's Ascended Fangirl run on Nightwing that involved Nightwing getting frigging raped and that's your statistical outlier.

Sexualization in comics doesn't mean the industry is automatically evil, but it is a thing and it'd be cool if, y'know, people didn't get shouted out of the room when it gets brought up and some alternative ideas discussed.
 
2013-01-10 08:15:46 PM

t3knomanser: Smackledorfer: Anyways this is stupid because comic books aren't real and don't make little boys objectify women.

No, but because the books objectify women, it's offensive to anyone mature enough to understand that is wrong. When people do things that are stupid and wrong, we should point out that they're being stupid and wrong.


Just clear things up, I have watched porn.

Was that stupid and wrong?
Should I not have done that?
 
2013-01-10 08:15:50 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: I created this alt just for this thread: Keizer_Ghidorah: Does that complaint also include how males are portrayed in comic books?

Oh jebus titty-farking christ...you're one of those "comics objectify men too!" people, aren't you?

Oh, sorry, forgot, it's impossible for men to be objectified in any way.


Let me guess, you're also a Men's Rights Advocate.
 
2013-01-10 08:17:16 PM

Fano: maverickzy: How about the sword handle that isn't parallel to the sword blade? Ignoring the usual oddities of perspective. The man clearly used a ruler to draw the blade! How hard is it to line up the handle?

This is a common error of liefeld's. I'm starting to believe that if he worked in a different genre and was a better bullshiat artist, he'd be hailed as a modern Picasso.


Bonus he could still objectify women!
And fish!

/the mackerel
 
2013-01-10 08:23:51 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Teufelaffe: Keizer_Ghidorah: maverickzy: You're right, the comics industry does not have a problem with the portrayal of female heroes.

And that has shiat to do with what we're discussing here. Stay on topic and leave the fallacies at home.

But since you touched on it, they're fictional characters who bear no resemblance to real women, so let's not get all women's lib over ink and paint.

"It's fiction so it doesn't matter" is the biggest cop-out ever.

"The portrayal of fictional women tells men to treat real women as objects" is the same stupidity as "Video games cause children to shoot up schools".


Actually, women are objectified in real life, and that's why they're objectified in our art. Humans are violent in real life, and that's why we have violent video games.
 
2013-01-10 08:27:10 PM
does Christian Bales LISP count?
 
2013-01-10 08:27:55 PM

KhamanV: To put it out there, I know of one example of turning a male into a sex fantasy off the top of my head and that's Devin Grayson's Ascended Fangirl run on Nightwing that involved Nightwing getting frigging raped and that's your statistical outlier.

Anita Blake: Vampire Hunter

also has a lot of sexualized supernatural hunks whose sole purpose is to get into the pants of the title character.

I created this alt just for this thread: Keizer_Ghidorah: I created this alt just for this thread: Keizer_Ghidorah: Does that complaint also include how males are portrayed in comic books?

Oh jebus titty-farking christ...you're one of those "comics objectify men too!" people, aren't you?

Oh, sorry, forgot, it's impossible for men to be objectified in any way.

Let me guess, you're also a Men's Rights Advocate.


You guess wrong, Mr. Assuming Makes An Ass Of You And Me. I love how pointing out that both men AND women are objectified in comics gets people like you to appear, just as predictable as the people who scream about the poor fictional women being shown as sex toys but ignore the fictional men being treated the same way because it doesn't help their whining work.

Here's the facts: I don't give a flying shiat about how fictional characters in comic books are portrayed, because they're FARKING FICTIONAL CHARACTERS. People who look at them and get ideas about how real life should be are either retarded or were never taught the difference between fantasy and reality by their parents, teachers, or other intelligent people. Normal people don't look at a picture of Power Girl and say "Why can't all real women look like that, and also stay in the kitchen and be quiet while they raise my kids?". This entire "controversy" is bullshiat.
 
2013-01-10 08:30:53 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Keizer_Ghidorah: Teufelaffe: Keizer_Ghidorah: maverickzy: You're right, the comics industry does not have a problem with the portrayal of female heroes.

And that has shiat to do with what we're discussing here. Stay on topic and leave the fallacies at home.

But since you touched on it, they're fictional characters who bear no resemblance to real women, so let's not get all women's lib over ink and paint.

"It's fiction so it doesn't matter" is the biggest cop-out ever.

"The portrayal of fictional women tells men to treat real women as objects" is the same stupidity as "Video games cause children to shoot up schools".

Actually, women are objectified in real life, and that's why they're objectified in our art. Humans are violent in real life, and that's why we have violent video games.


I've never seen real women as merely sex objects to be lusted over because I read a comic book, nor have I ever had the desire to slaughter people because I played Mortal Kombat or Modern Warfare. If comics and games really had that kind of influence, I'd have been in prison years ago for jumping on people's heads and stomping on turtles and throwing them at things.
 
2013-01-10 08:35:45 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Mike Chewbacca: Keizer_Ghidorah: Teufelaffe: Keizer_Ghidorah: maverickzy: You're right, the comics industry does not have a problem with the portrayal of female heroes.

And that has shiat to do with what we're discussing here. Stay on topic and leave the fallacies at home.

But since you touched on it, they're fictional characters who bear no resemblance to real women, so let's not get all women's lib over ink and paint.

"It's fiction so it doesn't matter" is the biggest cop-out ever.

"The portrayal of fictional women tells men to treat real women as objects" is the same stupidity as "Video games cause children to shoot up schools".

Actually, women are objectified in real life, and that's why they're objectified in our art. Humans are violent in real life, and that's why we have violent video games.

I've never seen real women as merely sex objects to be lusted over because I read a comic book, nor have I ever had the desire to slaughter people because I played Mortal Kombat or Modern Warfare. If comics and games really had that kind of influence, I'd have been in prison years ago for jumping on people's heads and stomping on turtles and throwing them at things.


Did you even read what I wrote? Objectification of women in real life leads to the objectification of women in art, not the other way around. Objectification of women in art is a SYMPTOM of the problem, it is not the cause.
 
2013-01-10 08:37:13 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Mike Chewbacca: Keizer_Ghidorah: Teufelaffe: Keizer_Ghidorah: maverickzy: You're right, the comics industry does not have a problem with the portrayal of female heroes.

And that has shiat to do with what we're discussing here. Stay on topic and leave the fallacies at home.

But since you touched on it, they're fictional characters who bear no resemblance to real women, so let's not get all women's lib over ink and paint.

"It's fiction so it doesn't matter" is the biggest cop-out ever.

"The portrayal of fictional women tells men to treat real women as objects" is the same stupidity as "Video games cause children to shoot up schools".

Actually, women are objectified in real life, and that's why they're objectified in our art. Humans are violent in real life, and that's why we have violent video games.

I've never seen real women as merely sex objects to be lusted over because I read a comic book, nor have I ever had the desire to slaughter people because I played Mortal Kombat or Modern Warfare. If comics and games really had that kind of influence, I'd have been in prison years ago for jumping on people's heads and stomping on turtles and throwing them at things.


You might want to read that again. Mike was saying that real life objectification and violence are the cause of objectification and violence in our media, not the other way around. I happen to agree with him.
 
2013-01-10 08:38:20 PM
Heh, somebody brainfarted.
:)
 
2013-01-10 08:49:42 PM

Arachnophobe: PanicMan: timujin: Celain: maverickzy: This is from 2011.

Can you spot all the things wrong with this picture?

Wow, he forgot to do the weapons again and had to add them in (poorly) at the last minute.

Right arm, which is farther away, is larger than the left. Also doesn't fit body position.

Hips are very asymmetrical.

Belt holding daggers only has half a strap.

At least we don't have feet for him to screw up.

The right hand is squeezed tighter then the diameter of the sword's hilt and her right hip is dislocated.

The cross isn't tied to anything. It's just kind of jammed in her cleavage.

Her fishnets just kind of stop, and her legs appear to be melding into one mermaid-like appendage.


The sword on her back is either the most strangely-sword in modern history, or it's just a floating, bladeless handle, and there don't seem to be any straps holding the damn thing in place.
 
2013-01-10 08:50:32 PM

Osomatic: Not that I don't agree that Liefeld is terrible, but at this point aren't we pretty much beating a dead horse?


FlashHarry: liefeld's captain is still one of the worst things i've ever seen in my life.


Not until he is crushed beneath a dead horse, no. Or at least his drawing hand.
 
2013-01-10 08:51:32 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Keizer_Ghidorah: Mike Chewbacca: Keizer_Ghidorah: Teufelaffe: Keizer_Ghidorah: maverickzy: You're right, the comics industry does not have a problem with the portrayal of female heroes.

And that has shiat to do with what we're discussing here. Stay on topic and leave the fallacies at home.

But since you touched on it, they're fictional characters who bear no resemblance to real women, so let's not get all women's lib over ink and paint.

"It's fiction so it doesn't matter" is the biggest cop-out ever.

"The portrayal of fictional women tells men to treat real women as objects" is the same stupidity as "Video games cause children to shoot up schools".

Actually, women are objectified in real life, and that's why they're objectified in our art. Humans are violent in real life, and that's why we have violent video games.

I've never seen real women as merely sex objects to be lusted over because I read a comic book, nor have I ever had the desire to slaughter people because I played Mortal Kombat or Modern Warfare. If comics and games really had that kind of influence, I'd have been in prison years ago for jumping on people's heads and stomping on turtles and throwing them at things.

Did you even read what I wrote? Objectification of women in real life leads to the objectification of women in art, not the other way around. Objectification of women in art is a SYMPTOM of the problem, it is not the cause.


Bleah, my bad. But with so many people attacking comics, games, and other things as the cause for it, things get all mushed together.

The only thing that will fix it is a vast fundamental psychological shift in all of humanity. Something that, barring some cataclysmic event, is very unlikely to happen.
 
2013-01-10 08:53:39 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: Arachnophobe: PanicMan: timujin: Celain: maverickzy: This is from 2011.

Can you spot all the things wrong with this picture?

Wow, he forgot to do the weapons again and had to add them in (poorly) at the last minute.

Right arm, which is farther away, is larger than the left. Also doesn't fit body position.

Hips are very asymmetrical.

Belt holding daggers only has half a strap.

At least we don't have feet for him to screw up.

The right hand is squeezed tighter then the diameter of the sword's hilt and her right hip is dislocated.

The cross isn't tied to anything. It's just kind of jammed in her cleavage.

Her fishnets just kind of stop, and her legs appear to be melding into one mermaid-like appendage.

The sword on her back is either the most strangely-sword in modern history, or it's just a floating, bladeless handle, and there don't seem to be any straps holding the damn thing in place.


Also, the sword in her furthest hand is facing towards the viewer, rather than away, which is a mind-farkingly freaky optical illusion after a few drinks.

/I like swords.
//Welcome to Corneria.
 
2013-01-10 08:53:43 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Mike Chewbacca: Keizer_Ghidorah: Mike Chewbacca: Keizer_Ghidorah: Teufelaffe: Keizer_Ghidorah: maverickzy: You're right, the comics industry does not have a problem with the portrayal of female heroes.

And that has shiat to do with what we're discussing here. Stay on topic and leave the fallacies at home.

But since you touched on it, they're fictional characters who bear no resemblance to real women, so let's not get all women's lib over ink and paint.

"It's fiction so it doesn't matter" is the biggest cop-out ever.

"The portrayal of fictional women tells men to treat real women as objects" is the same stupidity as "Video games cause children to shoot up schools".

Actually, women are objectified in real life, and that's why they're objectified in our art. Humans are violent in real life, and that's why we have violent video games.

I've never seen real women as merely sex objects to be lusted over because I read a comic book, nor have I ever had the desire to slaughter people because I played Mortal Kombat or Modern Warfare. If comics and games really had that kind of influence, I'd have been in prison years ago for jumping on people's heads and stomping on turtles and throwing them at things.

Did you even read what I wrote? Objectification of women in real life leads to the objectification of women in art, not the other way around. Objectification of women in art is a SYMPTOM of the problem, it is not the cause.

Bleah, my bad. But with so many people attacking comics, games, and other things as the cause for it, things get all mushed together.

The only thing that will fix it is a vast fundamental psychological shift in all of humanity. Something that, barring some cataclysmic event, is very unlikely to happen.


I hear ya. I don't agree with you on this particular topic (I am unhappy when women are overly sexualized like in comics and comic book movies), but I agree with you that it's not the actual problem.

/D&D player
//headbanger
///FPS gamer
////I should be the most violent, evil person on earth if those things ACTUALLY made people misbehave
 
2013-01-10 09:01:20 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: Arachnophobe: PanicMan: timujin: Celain: maverickzy: This is from 2011.

Can you spot all the things wrong with this picture?

Wow, he forgot to do the weapons again and had to add them in (poorly) at the last minute.

Right arm, which is farther away, is larger than the left. Also doesn't fit body position.

Hips are very asymmetrical.

Belt holding daggers only has half a strap.

At least we don't have feet for him to screw up.

The right hand is squeezed tighter then the diameter of the sword's hilt and her right hip is dislocated.

The cross isn't tied to anything. It's just kind of jammed in her cleavage.

Her fishnets just kind of stop, and her legs appear to be melding into one mermaid-like appendage.

The sword on her back is either the most strangely-sword in modern history, or it's just a floating, bladeless handle, and there don't seem to be any straps holding the damn thing in place.


Look closer, the hand doesn't exist. It's just a thumb.
 
2013-01-10 09:09:40 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Keizer_Ghidorah: Teufelaffe: Keizer_Ghidorah: maverickzy: You're right, the comics industry does not have a problem with the portrayal of female heroes.

And that has shiat to do with what we're discussing here. Stay on topic and leave the fallacies at home.

But since you touched on it, they're fictional characters who bear no resemblance to real women, so let's not get all women's lib over ink and paint.

"It's fiction so it doesn't matter" is the biggest cop-out ever.

"The portrayal of fictional women tells men to treat real women as objects" is the same stupidity as "Video games cause children to shoot up schools".

Actually, women are objectified in real life, and that's why they're objectified in our art. Humans are violent in real life, and that's why we have violent video games.


But women (and men) ARE objects.
 
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