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2013-01-10 12:31:35 PM
liefeld's captain is still one of the worst things i've ever seen in my life.
 
2013-01-10 12:37:13 PM
1. The one that looks like two walls of meat with fists.

5. The one who is literally a burlap sack full of muscles.


I see nothing wrong with these.
 
2013-01-10 01:07:37 PM
Oh, please have that one panel of Psylocke...

Oh, they do, they do!  #14.
 
2013-01-10 01:25:12 PM

FlashHarry: liefeld's captain is still one of the worst things i've ever seen in my life.


images.geeknative.com.s3.amazonaws.com
 
2013-01-10 01:53:36 PM
Not that I don't agree that Liefeld is terrible, but at this point aren't we pretty much beating a dead horse?
 
2013-01-10 02:00:16 PM

Osomatic: Not that I don't agree that Liefeld is terrible, but at this point aren't we pretty much beating a dead horse?


because he's still allowed to draw.  once the madness stops, we will stop biatching about his horrible "art" skills.
 
2013-01-10 02:00:50 PM

scottydoesntknow: FlashHarry: liefeld's captain is still one of the worst things i've ever seen in my life.

[images.geeknative.com.s3.amazonaws.com image 540x338]


holy shiat, that's disturbing. it could only be made more so by swapping a romney mini-face 'shop in for the head.
 
2013-01-10 02:53:04 PM
1.) Mix random Liefeld images stolen from across the web with PR copy for some crappy CW show.
2.) Post to BuzzFeed.
3.) PROFIT!
 
2013-01-10 03:00:30 PM

ManateeGag: Osomatic: Not that I don't agree that Liefeld is terrible, but at this point aren't we pretty much beating a dead horse?

because he's still allowed to draw.  once the madness stops, we will stop biatching about his horrible "art" skills.


That is a fair point. His continued employment is quite the head-scratcher.
 
2013-01-10 03:38:26 PM
They made Wolverine look retarded.
 
2013-01-10 03:39:52 PM
"The one where they're auditioning for an off-broadway interpretive dance production"

What does that have to do with anatomy?
 
2013-01-10 03:42:43 PM

YodaBlues: 1.) Mix random Liefeld images stolen from across the web with PR copy for some crappy CW show.
2.) Post to BuzzFeed.
3.) PROFIT!


This. Why TF did I just read a commercial for some shiatty show called "Arrow"?
 
2013-01-10 03:43:18 PM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: "The one where they're auditioning for an off-broadway interpretive dance production"

What does that have to do with anatomy?


Because lazy
 
2013-01-10 03:44:55 PM
Dear Mrs. #3:

How do you walk? Is it like being on stilts all the time? After you sit down, do you require the services of a cherry picker in order to stand up again?
 
2013-01-10 03:45:00 PM

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: They made Wolverine look retarded.


Was it Humberto Ramos;s Wolverine?

24.media.tumblr.com

/Ramos: a poor man's Mike Weiringo, without the actual artistic ability to pull off cartoony and have it be good.
 
2013-01-10 03:48:08 PM

FirstNationalBastard: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: They made Wolverine look retarded.

Was it Humberto Ramos;s Wolverine?

[24.media.tumblr.com image 701x526]

/Ramos: a poor man's Mike Weiringo, without the actual artistic ability to pull off cartoony and have it be good.


I'M POOPIN'!!!!

/the oil has hit the anus
 
2013-01-10 03:50:15 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Humberto Ramos


Back off of Ramos, man. He literally invented the big shoe style. What have you done with your life eh?
 
2013-01-10 03:50:47 PM

FirstNationalBastard: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: They made Wolverine look retarded.

Was it Humberto Ramos;s Wolverine?

[24.media.tumblr.com image 701x526]

/Ramos: a poor man's Mike Weiringo, without the actual artistic ability to pull off cartoony and have it be good.


wow, that's... terrible. plus, his right calf is bigger than his head.
 
2013-01-10 03:52:00 PM
I went through a period where I drew way too many utility pouches on people. But I was like, 11 or 12.
 
2013-01-10 03:52:15 PM
cdn.ientry.com
 
2013-01-10 03:54:51 PM

FirstNationalBastard: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: They made Wolverine look retarded.

Was it Humberto Ramos;s Wolverine?

[24.media.tumblr.com image 701x526]

/Ramos: a poor man's Mike Weiringo, without the actual artistic ability to pull off cartoony and have it be good.


Ugh, one of the reasons I stopped reading X-comics years ago.
 
2013-01-10 03:58:52 PM
I hadn't seen that Silver Surfer one before, it's bizaree on a lot of different levels.
 
2013-01-10 04:00:16 PM

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: They made Wolverine look retarded.




I wish I could shoop things. I'd put those big fake teeth from the internet shark meme on his face. duuuurp :p
 
2013-01-10 04:02:08 PM
Someone turned me on to the Escher Girls blog a while ago... makes all this stuff look like high art: Escher Girls
 
2013-01-10 04:04:28 PM
Just realized that #11 has a tutu. A tutu....

Anyway, also their hands aren't holding anything, but that's sort of par for the course with the Lie.
 
2013-01-10 04:04:36 PM
Holy fark, that Silver Surfer was the worst thing I've seen in a very VERY long time.
 
2013-01-10 04:06:49 PM

Gosling: Dear Mrs. #3:

How do you walk? Is it like being on stilts all the time? After you sit down, do you require the services of a cherry picker in order to stand up again?


My question is more along the lines of "How do you get those fur boots on?" She clearly could not reach her feet if she bent over.
 
2013-01-10 04:07:35 PM
Oh oh oh, I just noticed that in #3, Loki is doing all the talking through clenched teeth.
 
2013-01-10 04:10:02 PM

willfullyobscure: FirstNationalBastard: Humberto Ramos

Back off of Ramos, man. He literally invented the big shoe style. What have you done with your life eh?


Ramos created 'Crimson', that earns him a lifetime pass as far as I am concerned.
 
2013-01-10 04:12:26 PM
CamelToe Girl to the rescue....
photos1.blogger.com
 
2013-01-10 04:12:30 PM
www.superstupor.com
 
2013-01-10 04:14:56 PM

karnal: CamelToe Girl to the rescue....
[photos1.blogger.com image 206x456]


Say what you will but at least the artists are actually in on the joke with that heroine.
 
2013-01-10 04:15:52 PM

Osomatic: ManateeGag: Osomatic: Not that I don't agree that Liefeld is terrible, but at this point aren't we pretty much beating a dead horse?

because he's still allowed to draw.  once the madness stops, we will stop biatching about his horrible "art" skills.

That is a fair point. His continued employment is quite the head-scratcher.


Blackmail. It's the only reasonable explanation....
 
2013-01-10 04:20:25 PM

KatjaMouse: [www.superstupor.com image 740x1415]


love superstupor. the presidential election was great.
 
2013-01-10 04:23:22 PM
KatjaMouse


karnal: CamelToe Girl to the rescue....
[photos1.blogger.com image 206x456]
Say what you will but at least the artists are actually in on the joke with that heroine.


How about Butt Cheek Boy?
25.media.tumblr.com
He heads his ugly rear on crime!
 
2013-01-10 04:25:14 PM

Forbidden Doughnut: Osomatic: ManateeGag: Osomatic: Not that I don't agree that Liefeld is terrible, but at this point aren't we pretty much beating a dead horse?

because he's still allowed to draw.  once the madness stops, we will stop biatching about his horrible "art" skills.

That is a fair point. His continued employment is quite the head-scratcher.

Blackmail. It's the only reasonable explanation....


With Liefeld, the blackmail is probably, "Let me keep my job or I'll draw YOU into my next issue!"
 
2013-01-10 04:25:30 PM

ManateeGag: Osomatic: Not that I don't agree that Liefeld is terrible, but at this point aren't we pretty much beating a dead horse?

because he's still allowed to draw.  once the madness stops, we will stop biatching about his horrible "art" skills.


Fair enough. But can you at least start coming up with some new examples of how terrible he is? These ones show up on every single "terrible comic book art" list. I'm sure somebody out there can come up with a decent timeline for him at this point.
 
2013-01-10 04:29:34 PM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: "The one where they're auditioning for an off-broadway interpretive dance production"
What does that have to do with anatomy?


To be fair, some poses are really stupid, and the poses are almost always women.

www.bytecolumn.com
 
2013-01-10 04:36:26 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: But can you at least start coming up with some new examples of how terrible he is?


You're in luck:
here's 40 examples of how bad Rob Liefeld is.
And here's 40 more.

Will that suffice?
 
2013-01-10 04:38:01 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: YodaBlues: 1.) Mix random Liefeld images stolen from across the web with PR copy for some crappy CW show.
2.) Post to BuzzFeed.
3.) PROFIT!

This. Why TF did I just read a commercial for some shiatty show called "Arrow"?


It's a good show bro. Just give it a chance.
 
2013-01-10 04:38:19 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: ManateeGag: Osomatic: Not that I don't agree that Liefeld is terrible, but at this point aren't we pretty much beating a dead horse?

because he's still allowed to draw.  once the madness stops, we will stop biatching about his horrible "art" skills.

Fair enough. But can you at least start coming up with some new examples of how terrible he is? These ones show up on every single "terrible comic book art" list. I'm sure somebody out there can come up with a decent timeline for him at this point.


You don't have to look far.
 
2013-01-10 04:40:12 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: ManateeGag: Osomatic: Not that I don't agree that Liefeld is terrible, but at this point aren't we pretty much beating a dead horse?

because he's still allowed to draw.  once the madness stops, we will stop biatching about his horrible "art" skills.

Fair enough. But can you at least start coming up with some new examples of how terrible he is? These ones show up on every single "terrible comic book art" list. I'm sure somebody out there can come up with a decent timeline for him at this point.


Sure, these are from September last year.
img.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-10 04:40:25 PM

GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: The All-Powerful Atheismo: This. Why TF did I just read a commercial for some shiatty show called "Arrow"?

It's a good show bro. Just give it a chance.


This. It was better than I thought it was going to be.
 
2013-01-10 04:41:28 PM
This is from 2011.

robliefeldcreations.com

Can you spot all the things wrong with this picture?
 
2013-01-10 04:41:34 PM

karnal: KatjaMouse


karnal: CamelToe Girl to the rescue....
[photos1.blogger.com image 206x456]
Say what you will but at least the artists are actually in on the joke with that heroine.

How about Butt Cheek Boy?
[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x667]
He heads his ugly rear on crime!


"Ugly"? I dare say he has a fine rump. One that needs a few intense hours of passion.
 
2013-01-10 04:45:22 PM

Ishkur: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: "The one where they're auditioning for an off-broadway interpretive dance production"
What does that have to do with anatomy?

To be fair, some poses are really stupid, and the poses are almost always women.

[www.bytecolumn.com image 850x445]


Oh look, that overblown POS image again. Fun Fact: The males aren't posing like the female. They're just doing intentionally exaggerated crap and a goatse.
 
2013-01-10 04:46:41 PM

ManateeGag: Osomatic: Not that I don't agree that Liefeld is terrible, but at this point aren't we pretty much beating a dead horse?

because he's stillallowed PAID to draw.  once the madness stops, we will stop biatching about his horrible "art" skills. and a decade or two has passed, then it will be a dead horse


FTFY.

Die horse! Die!
 
2013-01-10 04:48:49 PM

Serial Killer X: Sure, these are from September last year.


Liefeld always makes me LOL, when he's not making me groan or facepalm. I mean, what the hell is up with the chest on that grey dude?
 
2013-01-10 04:49:01 PM

rocky_howard: Ishkur: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: "The one where they're auditioning for an off-broadway interpretive dance production"
What does that have to do with anatomy?

To be fair, some poses are really stupid, and the poses are almost always women.

[www.bytecolumn.com image 850x445]

Oh look, that overblown POS image again. Fun Fact: The males aren't posing like the female. They're just doing intentionally exaggerated crap and a goatse.


You sound oppressed
 
2013-01-10 04:49:37 PM

rocky_howard: Ishkur: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: "The one where they're auditioning for an off-broadway interpretive dance production"
What does that have to do with anatomy?

To be fair, some poses are really stupid, and the poses are almost always women.

[www.bytecolumn.com image 850x445]

Oh look, that overblown POS image again. Fun Fact: The males aren't posing like the female. They're just doing intentionally exaggerated crap and a goatse.


Yeah, definitely not ass posing.
media.comicvine.com
 
2013-01-10 04:49:55 PM

maverickzy: This is from 2011.

Can you spot all the things wrong with this picture?


Wow, he forgot to do the weapons again and had to add them in (poorly) at the last minute.

Right arm, which is farther away, is larger than the left. Also doesn't fit body position.

Hips are very asymmetrical.

Belt holding daggers only has half a strap.

At least we don't have feet for him to screw up.
 
2013-01-10 04:50:11 PM

willfullyobscure: Back off of Ramos, man. He literally invented the big shoe style.


See, if you combine Ramos with Liefeld you'd get some normal-looking legs for once.
 
2013-01-10 04:51:25 PM

rocky_howard: Fun Fact: The males aren't posing like the female.


That's how women are drawn in comics. Almost all the farking time. It doesn't matter what direction they're facing, their ass is always shown. Somehow.

I understand that the target market is 14 year old boys, but its silly and exaggerated especially in the hands of one R. Liefeld.
 
2013-01-10 04:51:38 PM

GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: The All-Powerful Atheismo: YodaBlues: 1.) Mix random Liefeld images stolen from across the web with PR copy for some crappy CW show.
2.) Post to BuzzFeed.
3.) PROFIT!

This. Why TF did I just read a commercial for some shiatty show called "Arrow"?

It's a good show bro. Just give it a chance.


shill
 
2013-01-10 04:53:47 PM

Celain: maverickzy: This is from 2011.

Can you spot all the things wrong with this picture?

Wow, he forgot to do the weapons again and had to add them in (poorly) at the last minute.

Right arm, which is farther away, is larger than the left. Also doesn't fit body position.

Hips are very asymmetrical.

Belt holding daggers only has half a strap.

At least we don't have feet for him to screw up.


Keep going!

Her boob window is perfectly square, while laying on top of said boobage.
There's no strap or anything holding the, what I can only assume, is another sword on her back.
Teeth are one uniform piece of pure white enamel.
 
2013-01-10 04:55:48 PM

maverickzy: This is from 2011.

[robliefeldcreations.com image 569x901]

Can you spot all the things wrong with this picture?


And that's why Liefeld became and remains the poster boy. Most comics artists start out crappy and rise to competence. Despite time and success, his natural talent remains.

It took Liefeld to make me a fan of Don Heck.
 
2013-01-10 04:55:50 PM

theorellior: Serial Killer X: Sure, these are from September last year.

Liefeld always makes me LOL, when he's not making me groan or facepalm. I mean, what the hell is up with the chest on that grey dude?


The sad thing is, all I did was get the most recent Liefield comic I have and flick through it. I had no idea those pictures would be in it. He's consistently crap and that picture in the bottom right shows he's learned nothing about drawing chests since Cap.
 
2013-01-10 04:56:07 PM
We need more pouches:
media.comicvine.com
 
2013-01-10 04:56:13 PM

Celain: maverickzy: This is from 2011.

Can you spot all the things wrong with this picture?

Wow, he forgot to do the weapons again and had to add them in (poorly) at the last minute.
Right arm, which is farther away, is larger than the left. Also doesn't fit body position.
Hips are very asymmetrical.
Belt holding daggers only has half a strap.
At least we don't have feet for him to screw up.


I'm trying to figure out how those breasts exist without nipples. Well... Unless she had a double mastectomy and had reconstruction without the nipple tats. It also bothers me how badly the top lays on her chest.
 
2013-01-10 04:59:45 PM

maverickzy: Can you spot all the things wrong with this picture?


The funny thing is, I can tell there are problems with that drawing, but it's so damn good for a Liefeld that I just gloss over them. It's like my brain is saying, "Hey, it's not a complete hot mess, Rob, I'll give you a pass on this one."
 
2013-01-10 05:01:29 PM

FlashHarry: liefeld's captain is still one of the worst things i've ever seen in my life.


And I think that was the only repeat offender of Liefeld's that I've seen on Fark before (at least I don't think most of that list is repeats of Liefeld sucking as an artist).
 
2013-01-10 05:04:47 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: ManateeGag: Osomatic: Not that I don't agree that Liefeld is terrible, but at this point aren't we pretty much beating a dead horse?

because he's still allowed to draw.  once the madness stops, we will stop biatching about his horrible "art" skills.

Fair enough. But can you at least start coming up with some new examples of how terrible he is? These ones show up on every single "terrible comic book art" list. I'm sure somebody out there can come up with a decent timeline for him at this point.


Liefeld keeps making the same mistakes over and over. Some of these just felt like repeats.
 
2013-01-10 05:12:15 PM

ManateeGag: Osomatic: Not that I don't agree that Liefeld is terrible, but at this point aren't we pretty much beating a dead horse?

because he's still allowed to draw.  once the madness stops, we will stop biatching about his horrible "art" skills.


EXACTLY.
Our comic store went from 10 people getting Hawkman to 1 as soon as he was mentioned to take over.
 
2013-01-10 05:12:21 PM
My favorite Rob scene was from a very early Youngblood issue, can't find the pages, but guy has a scar on the right eye/face then a couple frames later it is on the left side then the next frame it is on the right side again... so I assumed that was the guys 'power' making his scar move from one side of his face to the other... classic Rob.
 
2013-01-10 05:13:08 PM
I suppose this explains why Alex Ross is the only popular comics illustrator.

Superheroes are not realistic. They do not need to look realistic. They wear brightly colored costumes, are all in above average shape, and adopt pseudonyms when their identities are public.

beyondthebunker.files.wordpress.com

If cyclops's pelvis was this small compared to his shoulders, he wouldn't be able to stand.
i497.photobucket.com

proportional strength of a spider actually imbued by fetal alcohol syndrome. over-foreshortened feet never explained
 
2013-01-10 05:13:11 PM

FirstNationalBastard: [24.media.tumblr.com image 701x526]


RatMaster999: I'M POOPIN'!!!!


i48.tinypic.com
 
2013-01-10 05:13:20 PM

maverickzy: This is from 2011.

[robliefeldcreations.com image 569x901]

Can you spot all the things wrong with this picture?


No, but I'll be in my bunk trying some more.
 
2013-01-10 05:15:16 PM

YodaBlues: 1.) Mix random Liefeld images stolen from across the web with PR copy for some crappy CW show.
2.) Post to BuzzFeed.
3.) PROFIT!


This was the site that accused The Oatmeal of being a purely SEO-driven operation?
 
2013-01-10 05:15:42 PM

moothemagiccow: I suppose this explains why Alex Ross is the only popular comics illustrator.

Superheroes are not realistic. They do not need to look realistic. They wear brightly colored costumes, are all in above average shape, and adopt pseudonyms when their identities are public.

[beyondthebunker.files.wordpress.com image 400x510]

If cyclops's pelvis was this small compared to his shoulders, he wouldn't be able to stand.
[i497.photobucket.com image 356x392]

proportional strength of a spider actually imbued by fetal alcohol syndrome. over-foreshortened feet never explained


There's a difference between being exaggerated and being freakish.
 
2013-01-10 05:17:00 PM

maverickzy: rocky_howard: Ishkur: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: "The one where they're auditioning for an off-broadway interpretive dance production"
What does that have to do with anatomy?

To be fair, some poses are really stupid, and the poses are almost always women.

[www.bytecolumn.com image 850x445]

Oh look, that overblown POS image again. Fun Fact: The males aren't posing like the female. They're just doing intentionally exaggerated crap and a goatse.

Yeah, definitely not ass posing.
[media.comicvine.com image 400x611]


None of them are doing anything like what the men in the parody picture are doing.
 
2013-01-10 05:17:34 PM

maverickzy: This is from 2011.

[robliefeldcreations.com image 569x901]

Can you spot all the things wrong with this picture?


I like how, in an attempt to create the illusion of motion, the butt sway combined with the positioning of the knees make her look like she's about to topple over like a chopped tree.
 
2013-01-10 05:17:55 PM

maverickzy: This is from 2011.

[robliefeldcreations.com image 569x901]

Can you spot all the things wrong with this picture?


GAH! Those swords hurt my brain!
 
2013-01-10 05:18:09 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Was it Humberto Ramos's Wolverine?


The entire leg situation on the left side of that drawing is weirding me out.
 
2013-01-10 05:18:21 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: maverickzy: rocky_howard: Ishkur: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: "The one where they're auditioning for an off-broadway interpretive dance production"
What does that have to do with anatomy?

To be fair, some poses are really stupid, and the poses are almost always women.

[www.bytecolumn.com image 850x445]

Oh look, that overblown POS image again. Fun Fact: The males aren't posing like the female. They're just doing intentionally exaggerated crap and a goatse.

Yeah, definitely not ass posing.
[media.comicvine.com image 400x611]

None of them are doing anything like what the men in the parody picture are doing.


You're right, the comics industry does not have a problem with the portrayal of female heroes.
 
2013-01-10 05:19:15 PM
Wolverine?

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-01-10 05:20:22 PM

Celain: maverickzy: This is from 2011.

Can you spot all the things wrong with this picture?

Wow, he forgot to do the weapons again and had to add them in (poorly) at the last minute.

Right arm, which is farther away, is larger than the left. Also doesn't fit body position.

Hips are very asymmetrical.

Belt holding daggers only has half a strap.

At least we don't have feet for him to screw up.


The right hand is squeezed tighter then the diameter of the sword's hilt and her right hip is dislocated.
 
2013-01-10 05:21:33 PM

rocky_howard: Ishkur: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: "The one where they're auditioning for an off-broadway interpretive dance production"
What does that have to do with anatomy?

To be fair, some poses are really stupid, and the poses are almost always women.

[www.bytecolumn.com image 850x445]

Oh look, that overblown POS image again. Fun Fact: The males aren't posing like the female. They're just doing intentionally exaggerated crap and a goatse.


Look at how Scarlet Johannsson is posing in the real poster... she could have stayed like that for the second.
 
2013-01-10 05:22:03 PM
You may also want to take a second look at Avengelyne's left eye. It looks as if it has been shift down and to the left. Down and to the left.
 
2013-01-10 05:24:13 PM

maverickzy: You may also want to take a second look at Avengelyne's left eye. It looks as if it has been shift down and to the left. Down and to the left.


Wait...  is that actually that character's name?  Maybe he should draw more and write less.
 
2013-01-10 05:24:40 PM
How about the sword handle that isn't parallel to the sword blade? Ignoring the usual oddities of perspective. The man clearly used a ruler to draw the blade! How hard is it to line up the handle?
 
2013-01-10 05:24:55 PM

timujin: Celain: maverickzy: This is from 2011.

Can you spot all the things wrong with this picture?

Wow, he forgot to do the weapons again and had to add them in (poorly) at the last minute.

Right arm, which is farther away, is larger than the left. Also doesn't fit body position.

Hips are very asymmetrical.

Belt holding daggers only has half a strap.

At least we don't have feet for him to screw up.

The right hand is squeezed tighter then the diameter of the sword's hilt and her right hip is dislocated.


than, dammit, not "then"...
 
2013-01-10 05:24:56 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: maverickzy: rocky_howard: Ishkur: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: "The one where they're auditioning for an off-broadway interpretive dance production"
What does that have to do with anatomy?

To be fair, some poses are really stupid, and the poses are almost always women.

[www.bytecolumn.com image 850x445]

Oh look, that overblown POS image again. Fun Fact: The males aren't posing like the female. They're just doing intentionally exaggerated crap and a goatse.

Yeah, definitely not ass posing.
[media.comicvine.com image 400x611]

None of them are doing anything like what the men in the parody picture are doing.


Spend some time looking through the pictures at the Hawkeye Initiative site. You'll see practically every pose from the parody picture in "legit" comic art.
 
2013-01-10 05:25:34 PM

maverickzy: You're right, the comics industry does not have a problem with the portrayal of female heroes.


Whether or not it has a problem is not the point of contention on what he or I said. But thanks for the fallacy.
 
2013-01-10 05:25:36 PM

Cythraul: 1. The one that looks like two walls of meat with fists.

5. The one who is literally a burlap sack full of muscles.

I see nothing wrong with these.


Yeah, I'm not the biggest fan of either of those, but artistic license has to mean something. If everyone were to draw things photorealistically, it would get pretty damn boring pretty damn quick.
 
2013-01-10 05:25:55 PM
s3-ec.buzzfed.comi50.tinypic.com
 
2013-01-10 05:26:17 PM

rocky_howard: maverickzy: You're right, the comics industry does not have a problem with the portrayal of female heroes.

Whether or not it has a problem is not the point of contention on what he or I said. But thanks for the fallacy.


You're welcome.
 
2013-01-10 05:28:17 PM
I went looking for the anigif of Captain America's chest bouncing in and out with the wings on his hat wiggling, but my Google-fu has failed me.
 
2013-01-10 05:28:27 PM

Teufelaffe: Spend some time looking through the pictures at the Hawkeye Initiative site. You'll see practically every pose from the parody picture in "legit" comic art.


Nope, because it's just a completely biased approach comparing semi-realistic art with intentionally comical art for the purpose of mockery as a way to transition the emotion people would feel with the mockery art towards the original one. Thanks but I'm not 12 or so easy to manipulate. Also I'm a veteran tumblrer, I saw the birth of this thing.

And look at this:

25.media.tumblr.com

where have we seen something like that before? Oh right!

blairebitchproject.blogs.com
 
2013-01-10 05:30:49 PM
I bet you're really fun at parties.
 
2013-01-10 05:33:17 PM

Teufelaffe: Spend some time looking through the pictures at the Hawkeye Initiative site. You'll see practically every pose from the parody picture in "legit" comic art.


that is awesome
 
2013-01-10 05:36:21 PM

Crotchrocket Slim: FlashHarry: liefeld's captain is still one of the worst things i've ever seen in my life.

And I think that was the only repeat offender of Liefeld's that I've seen on Fark before (at least I don't think most of that list is repeats of Liefeld sucking as an artist).


i34.servimg.com
 
2013-01-10 05:37:13 PM

maverickzy: You're right, the comics industry does not have a problem with the portrayal of female heroes.


And that has shiat to do with what we're discussing here. Stay on topic and leave the fallacies at home.

But since you touched on it, they're fictional characters who bear no resemblance to real women, so let's not get all women's lib over ink and paint.
 
2013-01-10 05:44:39 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: maverickzy: You're right, the comics industry does not have a problem with the portrayal of female heroes.

And that has shiat to do with what we're discussing here. Stay on topic and leave the fallacies at home.

But since you touched on it, they're fictional characters who bear no resemblance to real women, so let's not get all women's lib over ink and paint.


"It's fiction so it doesn't matter" is the biggest cop-out ever.
 
2013-01-10 05:50:35 PM
Ah yes, the kind of thread with the kind of poster where I have to punch myself in the balls repeatedly to remind myself that some arguments aren't worth having over the internet.
 
2013-01-10 05:51:53 PM

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: They made Wolverine look retarded.


That one looked like someone was trying to ape Simon Bisley. That is if Bisley had a broken wrist and massive head trauma.
 
2013-01-10 05:56:47 PM

Teufelaffe: Keizer_Ghidorah: maverickzy: You're right, the comics industry does not have a problem with the portrayal of female heroes.

And that has shiat to do with what we're discussing here. Stay on topic and leave the fallacies at home.

But since you touched on it, they're fictional characters who bear no resemblance to real women, so let's not get all women's lib over ink and paint.

"It's fiction so it doesn't matter" is the biggest cop-out ever.


"The portrayal of fictional women tells men to treat real women as objects" is the same stupidity as "Video games cause children to shoot up schools".
 
2013-01-10 05:57:39 PM

ManateeGag: Osomatic: Not that I don't agree that Liefeld is terrible, but at this point aren't we pretty much beating a dead horse?

because he's still allowed to draw.  once the madness stops, we will stop biatching about his horrible "art" skills.


That is an insult to all artists, everywhere, forever.

Liefeld is the Honey Boo Boo of comic book art.
 
2013-01-10 05:59:19 PM
I'm having more difficulty with 'Thou misunderstands me' than I am the impossibly long legs.

/girl
//also middle english scholar
 
2013-01-10 06:01:18 PM

KatjaMouse: I'm trying to figure out how those breasts exist without nipples


Obviously, you've never seen a Hooters calendar.
 
2013-01-10 06:07:10 PM
Pouches would be a staple of any real super hero.

But the rest of liefeld is crap.
 
2013-01-10 06:10:09 PM

Serial Killer X: The My Little Pony Killer: ManateeGag: Osomatic: Not that I don't agree that Liefeld is terrible, but at this point aren't we pretty much beating a dead horse?

because he's still allowed to draw.  once the madness stops, we will stop biatching about his horrible "art" skills.

Fair enough. But can you at least start coming up with some new examples of how terrible he is? These ones show up on every single "terrible comic book art" list. I'm sure somebody out there can come up with a decent timeline for him at this point.

Sure, these are from September last year.
[img.photobucket.com image 742x581]


The gun Slade is holding, it has no grip. Hell it doesn't even appear to have a trigger. And I don't even want to talk about the crotch.
 
2013-01-10 06:10:11 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Teufelaffe: Keizer_Ghidorah: maverickzy: You're right, the comics industry does not have a problem with the portrayal of female heroes.

And that has shiat to do with what we're discussing here. Stay on topic and leave the fallacies at home.

But since you touched on it, they're fictional characters who bear no resemblance to real women, so let's not get all women's lib over ink and paint.

"It's fiction so it doesn't matter" is the biggest cop-out ever.

"The portrayal of fictional women tells men to treat real women as objects" is the same stupidity as "Video games cause children to shoot up schools".


I object to the portrayal of women in most comics because it's insulting, looks moronic, and 99% of the time, the artist spent too much time making sure I could see the woman's tits and both ass cheeks at the same time and not enough time on anything else.
 
2013-01-10 06:11:13 PM

born_yesterday: Liefeld is the Honey Boo Boo of comic book art


Don't say that. With the way society is going, that could be the best thing to happen to him.
 
2013-01-10 06:14:16 PM

Ishkur: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: "The one where they're auditioning for an off-broadway interpretive dance production"
What does that have to do with anatomy?

To be fair, some poses are really stupid, and the poses are almost always women.

[www.bytecolumn.com image 850x445]


Hawkeye and Black Widow have the exact same pose, they just happen to be on opposite sides of the picture. Not that that wasn't intentional. And Hawkeye's is stupider, as I'm fairly certain he's about to smack himself in the face with his bowstring.
 
2013-01-10 06:17:52 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Teufelaffe: Keizer_Ghidorah: maverickzy: You're right, the comics industry does not have a problem with the portrayal of female heroes.

And that has shiat to do with what we're discussing here. Stay on topic and leave the fallacies at home.

But since you touched on it, they're fictional characters who bear no resemblance to real women, so let's not get all women's lib over ink and paint.

"It's fiction so it doesn't matter" is the biggest cop-out ever.

"The portrayal of fictional women tells men to treat real women as objects" is the same stupidity as "Video games cause children to shoot up schools".


Yes, deciding to kill people is the same as deciding how one feels about gender roles. Your false equivalency is bad and you should feel bad.
 
2013-01-10 06:22:08 PM

Teufelaffe: I object to the portrayal of women in most comics because it's insulting, looks moronic, and 99% of the time, the artist spent too much time making sure I could see the woman's tits and both ass cheeks at the same time and not enough time on anything else.


Does that complaint also include how males are portrayed in comic books?

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Yes, deciding to kill people is the same as deciding how one feels about gender roles. Your false equivalency is bad and you should feel bad.


Both operate under "Seeing/doing this will make people think/act this way". You've heard people saying "Comic books teach kids to objectify women!", have you not? Same thing as "Video games will teach kids to be violent". I said nothing of gender roles, so please stop putting words in my mouth.
 
2013-01-10 06:22:49 PM

theorellior: I went looking for the anigif of Captain America's chest bouncing in and out with the wings on his hat wiggling, but my Google-fu has failed me.


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-01-10 06:23:06 PM
Does Greg "porno tracer" Land still have a job?

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-10 06:31:45 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Does that complaint also include how males are portrayed in comic books?


Oh jebus titty-farking christ...you're one of those "comics objectify men too!" people, aren't you?
 
2013-01-10 06:35:22 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Yes, deciding to kill people is the same as deciding how one feels about gender roles. Your false equivalency is bad and you should feel bad.

Both operate under "Seeing/doing this will make people think/act this way". You've heard people saying "Comic books teach kids to objectify women!", have you not? Same thing as "Video games will teach kids to be violent". I said nothing of gender roles, so please stop putting words in my mouth.


And the fact that you think that teaching kids to objectify women and teaching kids to be violent are equivalent further solidifies your position as a moron (not to mention the fact that you somehow think that gender roles and the objectification of women are not deeply intertwined). I have better things to do than read your tripe. Good day.
 
2013-01-10 06:35:53 PM

Smackledorfer: Pouches would be a staple of any real super hero.

But the rest of liefeld is crap.


He did invent Deadpool IIRC, so I'll give him some cred for that. ( Doesn't make up for some truly awful things, like the Hawk & Dove series from the nu52 )
 
2013-01-10 06:38:51 PM

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Keizer_Ghidorah: Teufelaffe: Keizer_Ghidorah: maverickzy: You're right, the comics industry does not have a problem with the portrayal of female heroes.

And that has shiat to do with what we're discussing here. Stay on topic and leave the fallacies at home.

But since you touched on it, they're fictional characters who bear no resemblance to real women, so let's not get all women's lib over ink and paint.

"It's fiction so it doesn't matter" is the biggest cop-out ever.

"The portrayal of fictional women tells men to treat real women as objects" is the same stupidity as "Video games cause children to shoot up schools".

Yes, deciding to kill people is the same as deciding how one feels about gender roles. Your false equivalency is bad and you should feel bad.


The two don't have to be the same for the comparison to be apt.

In fact, A is to B as C is to D RARELY involves a situation where A=C or B=D.

Looking at pictures of women doesn't cause men to treat them worse. Don't be stupid.
 
2013-01-10 06:39:25 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Does that complaint also include how males are portrayed in comic books?


Not as much, since male characters in comics tend to be far less sexualized in their costumes and body positions. They usually just slap a bunch of muscles and/or weapons on the male characters, but they still put them in fairly "normal" poses that wouldn't require scoliosis to achieve.
 
2013-01-10 06:43:07 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: theorellior: I went looking for the anigif of Captain America's chest bouncing in and out with the wings on his hat wiggling, but my Google-fu has failed me.

[25.media.tumblr.com image 200x200]


Well, that's officially one of the more disturbing things I've seen today.
 
2013-01-10 06:47:45 PM

Bonanza Jellybean: Does Greg "porno tracer" Land still have a job?

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 400x264]


Hey you gotta give him a little credit. At least all his women are in poses an actual human could do.

/You know, cause he traced over an actual human
 
2013-01-10 06:53:13 PM

scottydoesntknow: Bonanza Jellybean: Does Greg "porno tracer" Land still have a job?

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 400x264]

Hey you gotta give him a little credit. At least all his women are in poses an actual human could do.

/You know, cause he traced over an actual human


Now he's doing Iron Man, and you can pick out the frames from the Avengers and the Iron Man movies he traced.
 
2013-01-10 07:06:49 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: theorellior: I went looking for the anigif of Captain America's chest bouncing in and out with the wings on his hat wiggling, but my Google-fu has failed me.

[25.media.tumblr.com image 200x200]


www.nobodygoeshere.com
 
2013-01-10 07:07:26 PM

PonceAlyosha: scottydoesntknow: Bonanza Jellybean: Does Greg "porno tracer" Land still have a job?

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 400x264]

Hey you gotta give him a little credit. At least all his women are in poses an actual human could do.

/You know, cause he traced over an actual human

Now he's doing Iron Man, and you can pick out the frames from the Avengers and the Iron Man movies he traced.


Heh I've been looking at some of the blogs about him since Bonanza Jellybean posted that picture. Pretty freaking hilarious. He's copied everyone from Sandra Bullock to Triple H, from Ray Liotta to Sports Illustrated Swimsuit covers. He's also stolen quite a bit from other artists
 
2013-01-10 07:07:31 PM

Teufelaffe:

None of them are doing anything like what the men in the parody picture are doing.

Spend some time looking through the pictures at the Hawkeye Initiative site. You'll see practically every pose from the parody picture in "legit" comic art.


Ohh I had forgotten about the Hawkeye Initiative! Love it. Whenever I see these Liefield threads I begin to realize that his art is the just about all the comic book art that I remember from when I was little and reading comics with my brother. Feels nostalgic and sad, especially since I've gone on to get an art degree and have studied how to draw the human body. This man is drawing comics, and there's so many who could do a better job but will probably never be given the chance.
 
2013-01-10 07:12:38 PM

moothemagiccow: I suppose this explains why Alex Ross is the only popular comics illustrator.

Superheroes are not realistic. They do not need to look realistic. They wear brightly colored costumes, are all in above average shape, and adopt pseudonyms when their identities are public.

[beyondthebunker.files.wordpress.com image 400x510]

If cyclops's pelvis was this small compared to his shoulders, he wouldn't be able to stand.
[i497.photobucket.com image 356x392]

proportional strength of a spider actually imbued by fetal alcohol syndrome. over-foreshortened feet never explained


The X-Men may not be "realistic", but aside from the occasional mutant here and there, they still have basic human anatomy. Liefield has been in the industry since the late 1980s, yet he still draws characters with more teeth than a shark and grown men with feet like those of a 5 year old girl.
 
2013-01-10 07:17:00 PM

scottydoesntknow: PonceAlyosha: scottydoesntknow: Bonanza Jellybean: Does Greg "porno tracer" Land still have a job?

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 400x264]

Hey you gotta give him a little credit. At least all his women are in poses an actual human could do.

/You know, cause he traced over an actual human

Now he's doing Iron Man, and you can pick out the frames from the Avengers and the Iron Man movies he traced.

Heh I've been looking at some of the blogs about him since Bonanza Jellybean posted that picture. Pretty freaking hilarious. He's copied everyone from Sandra Bullock to Triple H, from Ray Liotta to Sports Illustrated Swimsuit covers. He's also stolen quite a bit from other artists


http://jimsmashextended.blogspot.co.uk/2008/07/greg-land-tracing-swip i ng-recycling.html

http://fark-no-greg-land.tumblr.com/

/I was intrigued and went looking.
 
2013-01-10 07:18:17 PM
So intrigued I forgot to make clicky.
 
2013-01-10 07:31:00 PM

Teufelaffe: Keizer_Ghidorah: Does that complaint also include how males are portrayed in comic books?

Not as much, since male characters in comics tend to be far less sexualized in their costumes and body positions. They usually just slap a bunch of muscles and/or weapons on the male characters, but they still put them in fairly "normal" poses that wouldn't require scoliosis to achieve.


Well we don't have nipples and women have told me they don't look for a bulge, so muscles, face, and grooming are what you have left.

And don't discount things like the prince charming dreams or attraction to strength, power, ambition etc.

It isn't nipples, I'll agree to that. But I am no more capable of meeting the standards of a superman than women a psylocke.

Anyways this is stupid because comic books aren't real and don't make little boys objectify women. Adults and teens are going to be infinitely more influenced by the women in their lives or even simply the more realistic portayals of women on tv, both fiction and reality shows.
 
2013-01-10 07:39:00 PM

Smackledorfer: Anyways this is stupid because comic books aren't real and don't make little boys objectify women.


No, but because the books objectify women, it's offensive to anyone mature enough to understand that is wrong. When people do things that are stupid and wrong, we should point out that they're being stupid and wrong.
 
2013-01-10 07:48:54 PM

maverickzy: How about the sword handle that isn't parallel to the sword blade? Ignoring the usual oddities of perspective. The man clearly used a ruler to draw the blade! How hard is it to line up the handle?


This is a common error of liefeld's. I'm starting to believe that if he worked in a different genre and was a better bullshiat artist, he'd be hailed as a modern Picasso.
 
2013-01-10 07:53:19 PM

timujin: Celain: maverickzy: This is from 2011.

Can you spot all the things wrong with this picture?

Wow, he forgot to do the weapons again and had to add them in (poorly) at the last minute.

Right arm, which is farther away, is larger than the left. Also doesn't fit body position.

Hips are very asymmetrical.

Belt holding daggers only has half a strap.

At least we don't have feet for him to screw up.

The right hand is squeezed tighter then the diameter of the sword's hilt and her right hip is dislocated.


The cross isn't tied to anything. It's just kind of jammed in her cleavage.
 
2013-01-10 07:56:08 PM

PanicMan: timujin: Celain: maverickzy: This is from 2011.

Can you spot all the things wrong with this picture?

Wow, he forgot to do the weapons again and had to add them in (poorly) at the last minute.

Right arm, which is farther away, is larger than the left. Also doesn't fit body position.

Hips are very asymmetrical.

Belt holding daggers only has half a strap.

At least we don't have feet for him to screw up.

The right hand is squeezed tighter then the diameter of the sword's hilt and her right hip is dislocated.

The cross isn't tied to anything. It's just kind of jammed in her cleavage.


Nah, it's stapled to her sternum.
 
2013-01-10 07:57:37 PM

PanicMan: timujin: Celain: maverickzy: This is from 2011.

Can you spot all the things wrong with this picture?

Wow, he forgot to do the weapons again and had to add them in (poorly) at the last minute.

Right arm, which is farther away, is larger than the left. Also doesn't fit body position.

Hips are very asymmetrical.

Belt holding daggers only has half a strap.

At least we don't have feet for him to screw up.

The right hand is squeezed tighter then the diameter of the sword's hilt and her right hip is dislocated.

The cross isn't tied to anything. It's just kind of jammed in her cleavage.


Her fishnets just kind of stop, and her legs appear to be melding into one mermaid-like appendage.
 
2013-01-10 08:00:03 PM

Arachnophobe: PanicMan: timujin: Celain: maverickzy: This is from 2011.

Can you spot all the things wrong with this picture?

Wow, he forgot to do the weapons again and had to add them in (poorly) at the last minute.

Right arm, which is farther away, is larger than the left. Also doesn't fit body position.

Hips are very asymmetrical.

Belt holding daggers only has half a strap.

At least we don't have feet for him to screw up.

The right hand is squeezed tighter then the diameter of the sword's hilt and her right hip is dislocated.

The cross isn't tied to anything. It's just kind of jammed in her cleavage.

Her fishnets just kind of stop, and her legs appear to be melding into one mermaid-like appendage.


Yeah, it looks almost as if the pic was supposed to be cropped just a little bit higher.  There's the legs, the stockings and the shadowing on the, um, ribbons??  Whatever that shiat is attached to her bikini.
 
2013-01-10 08:00:44 PM

the_vicious_fez: Someone turned me on to the Escher Girls blog a while ago... makes all this stuff look like high art: Escher Girls


24.media.tumblr.com

looks like i have some shopping to do. never heard of it, but want to buy. thanks for the link. you're right, regarding the straight examples on the site... those are very, very, very bad.
 
2013-01-10 08:10:00 PM

I created this alt just for this thread: Keizer_Ghidorah: Does that complaint also include how males are portrayed in comic books?

Oh jebus titty-farking christ...you're one of those "comics objectify men too!" people, aren't you?


Oh, sorry, forgot, it's impossible for men to be objectified in any way.

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Keizer_Ghidorah: Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Yes, deciding to kill people is the same as deciding how one feels about gender roles. Your false equivalency is bad and you should feel bad.

Both operate under "Seeing/doing this will make people think/act this way". You've heard people saying "Comic books teach kids to objectify women!", have you not? Same thing as "Video games will teach kids to be violent". I said nothing of gender roles, so please stop putting words in my mouth.

And the fact that you think that teaching kids to objectify women and teaching kids to be violent are equivalent further solidifies your position as a moron (not to mention the fact that you somehow think that gender roles and the objectification of women are not deeply intertwined). I have better things to do than read your tripe. Good day.


Yes, they ARE equivalent. They're equivalently STUPID. Unlike you, I don't see a majority of people reading comics and thinking "Aw yeah, this is how I want women to be in real life, just candy for me to enjoy!", just like I don't see the majority of people who play video games thinking "Aw yeah, I wish I could blow away an entire country using only a machine gun in real life!". You're the one who seems to think that comics are tools to make kids think women are objects and lust material, if that's not what you think then maybe you could tell me about how you think and then we can have an actual discussion, instead of your petulant little "I'm gonna run away because you're a doodie head" tantrum.
 
2013-01-10 08:12:12 PM

maverickzy: This is from 2011.

[robliefeldcreations.com image 569x901]

Can you spot all the things wrong with this picture?


I don't really understand what the sword in her right hand is doing, and her ilium looks too large. Other than that, this... actually isn't horrible for Liefeld. Maybe he's been practicing or something.
 
2013-01-10 08:14:54 PM

Teufelaffe: Keizer_Ghidorah: Does that complaint also include how males are portrayed in comic books?

Not as much, since male characters in comics tend to be far less sexualized in their costumes and body positions. They usually just slap a bunch of muscles and/or weapons on the male characters, but they still put them in fairly "normal" poses that wouldn't require scoliosis to achieve.


There's a difference between 'power fantasy', which is what men are frequently drawn like in comics, and 'sexual fantasy', which is how women are frequently drawn. Since the target audience is young and male, they're given over-testosterone'd Wolverines or Iron Fists to identify with while Power Girl is the hot thing you can cum on in the bathroom later.

It's not bad entirely, but overly defending it to the exclusion of changing anything and allowing more diversity in the field is a pretty shiatty thing to do. Comics that handle women without oversexualization (or allowing the sexuality and adding empowerment to it) are frequently indie, such as Artesia or Finder, and have a hard time topping the market share.

To put it out there, I know of one example of turning a male into a sex fantasy off the top of my head and that's Devin Grayson's Ascended Fangirl run on Nightwing that involved Nightwing getting frigging raped and that's your statistical outlier.

Sexualization in comics doesn't mean the industry is automatically evil, but it is a thing and it'd be cool if, y'know, people didn't get shouted out of the room when it gets brought up and some alternative ideas discussed.
 
2013-01-10 08:15:46 PM

t3knomanser: Smackledorfer: Anyways this is stupid because comic books aren't real and don't make little boys objectify women.

No, but because the books objectify women, it's offensive to anyone mature enough to understand that is wrong. When people do things that are stupid and wrong, we should point out that they're being stupid and wrong.


Just clear things up, I have watched porn.

Was that stupid and wrong?
Should I not have done that?
 
2013-01-10 08:15:50 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: I created this alt just for this thread: Keizer_Ghidorah: Does that complaint also include how males are portrayed in comic books?

Oh jebus titty-farking christ...you're one of those "comics objectify men too!" people, aren't you?

Oh, sorry, forgot, it's impossible for men to be objectified in any way.


Let me guess, you're also a Men's Rights Advocate.
 
2013-01-10 08:17:16 PM

Fano: maverickzy: How about the sword handle that isn't parallel to the sword blade? Ignoring the usual oddities of perspective. The man clearly used a ruler to draw the blade! How hard is it to line up the handle?

This is a common error of liefeld's. I'm starting to believe that if he worked in a different genre and was a better bullshiat artist, he'd be hailed as a modern Picasso.


Bonus he could still objectify women!
And fish!

/the mackerel
 
2013-01-10 08:23:51 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Teufelaffe: Keizer_Ghidorah: maverickzy: You're right, the comics industry does not have a problem with the portrayal of female heroes.

And that has shiat to do with what we're discussing here. Stay on topic and leave the fallacies at home.

But since you touched on it, they're fictional characters who bear no resemblance to real women, so let's not get all women's lib over ink and paint.

"It's fiction so it doesn't matter" is the biggest cop-out ever.

"The portrayal of fictional women tells men to treat real women as objects" is the same stupidity as "Video games cause children to shoot up schools".


Actually, women are objectified in real life, and that's why they're objectified in our art. Humans are violent in real life, and that's why we have violent video games.
 
2013-01-10 08:27:10 PM
does Christian Bales LISP count?
 
2013-01-10 08:27:55 PM

KhamanV: To put it out there, I know of one example of turning a male into a sex fantasy off the top of my head and that's Devin Grayson's Ascended Fangirl run on Nightwing that involved Nightwing getting frigging raped and that's your statistical outlier.

Anita Blake: Vampire Hunter

also has a lot of sexualized supernatural hunks whose sole purpose is to get into the pants of the title character.

I created this alt just for this thread: Keizer_Ghidorah: I created this alt just for this thread: Keizer_Ghidorah: Does that complaint also include how males are portrayed in comic books?

Oh jebus titty-farking christ...you're one of those "comics objectify men too!" people, aren't you?

Oh, sorry, forgot, it's impossible for men to be objectified in any way.

Let me guess, you're also a Men's Rights Advocate.


You guess wrong, Mr. Assuming Makes An Ass Of You And Me. I love how pointing out that both men AND women are objectified in comics gets people like you to appear, just as predictable as the people who scream about the poor fictional women being shown as sex toys but ignore the fictional men being treated the same way because it doesn't help their whining work.

Here's the facts: I don't give a flying shiat about how fictional characters in comic books are portrayed, because they're FARKING FICTIONAL CHARACTERS. People who look at them and get ideas about how real life should be are either retarded or were never taught the difference between fantasy and reality by their parents, teachers, or other intelligent people. Normal people don't look at a picture of Power Girl and say "Why can't all real women look like that, and also stay in the kitchen and be quiet while they raise my kids?". This entire "controversy" is bullshiat.
 
2013-01-10 08:30:53 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Keizer_Ghidorah: Teufelaffe: Keizer_Ghidorah: maverickzy: You're right, the comics industry does not have a problem with the portrayal of female heroes.

And that has shiat to do with what we're discussing here. Stay on topic and leave the fallacies at home.

But since you touched on it, they're fictional characters who bear no resemblance to real women, so let's not get all women's lib over ink and paint.

"It's fiction so it doesn't matter" is the biggest cop-out ever.

"The portrayal of fictional women tells men to treat real women as objects" is the same stupidity as "Video games cause children to shoot up schools".

Actually, women are objectified in real life, and that's why they're objectified in our art. Humans are violent in real life, and that's why we have violent video games.


I've never seen real women as merely sex objects to be lusted over because I read a comic book, nor have I ever had the desire to slaughter people because I played Mortal Kombat or Modern Warfare. If comics and games really had that kind of influence, I'd have been in prison years ago for jumping on people's heads and stomping on turtles and throwing them at things.
 
2013-01-10 08:35:45 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Mike Chewbacca: Keizer_Ghidorah: Teufelaffe: Keizer_Ghidorah: maverickzy: You're right, the comics industry does not have a problem with the portrayal of female heroes.

And that has shiat to do with what we're discussing here. Stay on topic and leave the fallacies at home.

But since you touched on it, they're fictional characters who bear no resemblance to real women, so let's not get all women's lib over ink and paint.

"It's fiction so it doesn't matter" is the biggest cop-out ever.

"The portrayal of fictional women tells men to treat real women as objects" is the same stupidity as "Video games cause children to shoot up schools".

Actually, women are objectified in real life, and that's why they're objectified in our art. Humans are violent in real life, and that's why we have violent video games.

I've never seen real women as merely sex objects to be lusted over because I read a comic book, nor have I ever had the desire to slaughter people because I played Mortal Kombat or Modern Warfare. If comics and games really had that kind of influence, I'd have been in prison years ago for jumping on people's heads and stomping on turtles and throwing them at things.


Did you even read what I wrote? Objectification of women in real life leads to the objectification of women in art, not the other way around. Objectification of women in art is a SYMPTOM of the problem, it is not the cause.
 
2013-01-10 08:37:13 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Mike Chewbacca: Keizer_Ghidorah: Teufelaffe: Keizer_Ghidorah: maverickzy: You're right, the comics industry does not have a problem with the portrayal of female heroes.

And that has shiat to do with what we're discussing here. Stay on topic and leave the fallacies at home.

But since you touched on it, they're fictional characters who bear no resemblance to real women, so let's not get all women's lib over ink and paint.

"It's fiction so it doesn't matter" is the biggest cop-out ever.

"The portrayal of fictional women tells men to treat real women as objects" is the same stupidity as "Video games cause children to shoot up schools".

Actually, women are objectified in real life, and that's why they're objectified in our art. Humans are violent in real life, and that's why we have violent video games.

I've never seen real women as merely sex objects to be lusted over because I read a comic book, nor have I ever had the desire to slaughter people because I played Mortal Kombat or Modern Warfare. If comics and games really had that kind of influence, I'd have been in prison years ago for jumping on people's heads and stomping on turtles and throwing them at things.


You might want to read that again. Mike was saying that real life objectification and violence are the cause of objectification and violence in our media, not the other way around. I happen to agree with him.
 
2013-01-10 08:38:20 PM
Heh, somebody brainfarted.
:)
 
2013-01-10 08:49:42 PM

Arachnophobe: PanicMan: timujin: Celain: maverickzy: This is from 2011.

Can you spot all the things wrong with this picture?

Wow, he forgot to do the weapons again and had to add them in (poorly) at the last minute.

Right arm, which is farther away, is larger than the left. Also doesn't fit body position.

Hips are very asymmetrical.

Belt holding daggers only has half a strap.

At least we don't have feet for him to screw up.

The right hand is squeezed tighter then the diameter of the sword's hilt and her right hip is dislocated.

The cross isn't tied to anything. It's just kind of jammed in her cleavage.

Her fishnets just kind of stop, and her legs appear to be melding into one mermaid-like appendage.


The sword on her back is either the most strangely-sword in modern history, or it's just a floating, bladeless handle, and there don't seem to be any straps holding the damn thing in place.
 
2013-01-10 08:50:32 PM

Osomatic: Not that I don't agree that Liefeld is terrible, but at this point aren't we pretty much beating a dead horse?


FlashHarry: liefeld's captain is still one of the worst things i've ever seen in my life.


Not until he is crushed beneath a dead horse, no. Or at least his drawing hand.
 
2013-01-10 08:51:32 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Keizer_Ghidorah: Mike Chewbacca: Keizer_Ghidorah: Teufelaffe: Keizer_Ghidorah: maverickzy: You're right, the comics industry does not have a problem with the portrayal of female heroes.

And that has shiat to do with what we're discussing here. Stay on topic and leave the fallacies at home.

But since you touched on it, they're fictional characters who bear no resemblance to real women, so let's not get all women's lib over ink and paint.

"It's fiction so it doesn't matter" is the biggest cop-out ever.

"The portrayal of fictional women tells men to treat real women as objects" is the same stupidity as "Video games cause children to shoot up schools".

Actually, women are objectified in real life, and that's why they're objectified in our art. Humans are violent in real life, and that's why we have violent video games.

I've never seen real women as merely sex objects to be lusted over because I read a comic book, nor have I ever had the desire to slaughter people because I played Mortal Kombat or Modern Warfare. If comics and games really had that kind of influence, I'd have been in prison years ago for jumping on people's heads and stomping on turtles and throwing them at things.

Did you even read what I wrote? Objectification of women in real life leads to the objectification of women in art, not the other way around. Objectification of women in art is a SYMPTOM of the problem, it is not the cause.


Bleah, my bad. But with so many people attacking comics, games, and other things as the cause for it, things get all mushed together.

The only thing that will fix it is a vast fundamental psychological shift in all of humanity. Something that, barring some cataclysmic event, is very unlikely to happen.
 
2013-01-10 08:53:39 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: Arachnophobe: PanicMan: timujin: Celain: maverickzy: This is from 2011.

Can you spot all the things wrong with this picture?

Wow, he forgot to do the weapons again and had to add them in (poorly) at the last minute.

Right arm, which is farther away, is larger than the left. Also doesn't fit body position.

Hips are very asymmetrical.

Belt holding daggers only has half a strap.

At least we don't have feet for him to screw up.

The right hand is squeezed tighter then the diameter of the sword's hilt and her right hip is dislocated.

The cross isn't tied to anything. It's just kind of jammed in her cleavage.

Her fishnets just kind of stop, and her legs appear to be melding into one mermaid-like appendage.

The sword on her back is either the most strangely-sword in modern history, or it's just a floating, bladeless handle, and there don't seem to be any straps holding the damn thing in place.


Also, the sword in her furthest hand is facing towards the viewer, rather than away, which is a mind-farkingly freaky optical illusion after a few drinks.

/I like swords.
//Welcome to Corneria.
 
2013-01-10 08:53:43 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Mike Chewbacca: Keizer_Ghidorah: Mike Chewbacca: Keizer_Ghidorah: Teufelaffe: Keizer_Ghidorah: maverickzy: You're right, the comics industry does not have a problem with the portrayal of female heroes.

And that has shiat to do with what we're discussing here. Stay on topic and leave the fallacies at home.

But since you touched on it, they're fictional characters who bear no resemblance to real women, so let's not get all women's lib over ink and paint.

"It's fiction so it doesn't matter" is the biggest cop-out ever.

"The portrayal of fictional women tells men to treat real women as objects" is the same stupidity as "Video games cause children to shoot up schools".

Actually, women are objectified in real life, and that's why they're objectified in our art. Humans are violent in real life, and that's why we have violent video games.

I've never seen real women as merely sex objects to be lusted over because I read a comic book, nor have I ever had the desire to slaughter people because I played Mortal Kombat or Modern Warfare. If comics and games really had that kind of influence, I'd have been in prison years ago for jumping on people's heads and stomping on turtles and throwing them at things.

Did you even read what I wrote? Objectification of women in real life leads to the objectification of women in art, not the other way around. Objectification of women in art is a SYMPTOM of the problem, it is not the cause.

Bleah, my bad. But with so many people attacking comics, games, and other things as the cause for it, things get all mushed together.

The only thing that will fix it is a vast fundamental psychological shift in all of humanity. Something that, barring some cataclysmic event, is very unlikely to happen.


I hear ya. I don't agree with you on this particular topic (I am unhappy when women are overly sexualized like in comics and comic book movies), but I agree with you that it's not the actual problem.

/D&D player
//headbanger
///FPS gamer
////I should be the most violent, evil person on earth if those things ACTUALLY made people misbehave
 
2013-01-10 09:01:20 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: Arachnophobe: PanicMan: timujin: Celain: maverickzy: This is from 2011.

Can you spot all the things wrong with this picture?

Wow, he forgot to do the weapons again and had to add them in (poorly) at the last minute.

Right arm, which is farther away, is larger than the left. Also doesn't fit body position.

Hips are very asymmetrical.

Belt holding daggers only has half a strap.

At least we don't have feet for him to screw up.

The right hand is squeezed tighter then the diameter of the sword's hilt and her right hip is dislocated.

The cross isn't tied to anything. It's just kind of jammed in her cleavage.

Her fishnets just kind of stop, and her legs appear to be melding into one mermaid-like appendage.

The sword on her back is either the most strangely-sword in modern history, or it's just a floating, bladeless handle, and there don't seem to be any straps holding the damn thing in place.


Look closer, the hand doesn't exist. It's just a thumb.
 
2013-01-10 09:09:40 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Keizer_Ghidorah: Teufelaffe: Keizer_Ghidorah: maverickzy: You're right, the comics industry does not have a problem with the portrayal of female heroes.

And that has shiat to do with what we're discussing here. Stay on topic and leave the fallacies at home.

But since you touched on it, they're fictional characters who bear no resemblance to real women, so let's not get all women's lib over ink and paint.

"It's fiction so it doesn't matter" is the biggest cop-out ever.

"The portrayal of fictional women tells men to treat real women as objects" is the same stupidity as "Video games cause children to shoot up schools".

Actually, women are objectified in real life, and that's why they're objectified in our art. Humans are violent in real life, and that's why we have violent video games.


But women (and men) ARE objects.
 
2013-01-10 09:22:42 PM

Fano: Mike Chewbacca: Keizer_Ghidorah: Teufelaffe: Keizer_Ghidorah: maverickzy: You're right, the comics industry does not have a problem with the portrayal of female heroes.

And that has shiat to do with what we're discussing here. Stay on topic and leave the fallacies at home.

But since you touched on it, they're fictional characters who bear no resemblance to real women, so let's not get all women's lib over ink and paint.

"It's fiction so it doesn't matter" is the biggest cop-out ever.

"The portrayal of fictional women tells men to treat real women as objects" is the same stupidity as "Video games cause children to shoot up schools".

Actually, women are objectified in real life, and that's why they're objectified in our art. Humans are violent in real life, and that's why we have violent video games.

But women (and men) ARE objects.


That's some serious semantic simplification there. The issue isn't the fact of the noun, it's the distillation of an individual into a blank object that someone else can project onto.
 
2013-01-10 09:29:22 PM

maverickzy: This is from 2011.

[robliefeldcreations.com image 569x901]

Can you spot all the things wrong with this picture?


Too much clothing?
 
2013-01-10 09:30:28 PM

Mike Chewbacca: I hear ya. I don't agree with you on this particular topic (I am unhappy when women are overly sexualized like in comics and comic book movies), but I agree with you that it's not the actual problem.

/D&D player
//headbanger
///FPS gamer
////I should be the most violent, evil person on earth if those things ACTUALLY made people misbehave


Honestly, it doesn't bother me at all. They're fictional, so it doesn't harm them. Normal people don't see them and think that they should see or treat real women like mere objects, or attack women or treat them badly for not being like fictional ones. The attitude towards comics, games, etc just feels like a witch hunt or a desperate attempt to make something the focal point for outrage and demonizing.
 
2013-01-10 09:35:05 PM

Flappyhead: Fluorescent Testicle: Arachnophobe: PanicMan: timujin: Celain: maverickzy: This is from 2011.

Can you spot all the things wrong with this picture?

Wow, he forgot to do the weapons again and had to add them in (poorly) at the last minute.

Right arm, which is farther away, is larger than the left. Also doesn't fit body position.

Hips are very asymmetrical.

Belt holding daggers only has half a strap.

At least we don't have feet for him to screw up.

The right hand is squeezed tighter then the diameter of the sword's hilt and her right hip is dislocated.

The cross isn't tied to anything. It's just kind of jammed in her cleavage.

Her fishnets just kind of stop, and her legs appear to be melding into one mermaid-like appendage.

The sword on her back is either the most strangely-sword in modern history, or it's just a floating, bladeless handle, and there don't seem to be any straps holding the damn thing in place.

Look closer, the hand doesn't exist. It's just a thumb.


that's what I thought at first, but the fingers are there, the area right above her thumb is red at least.  They're just closed to the point that the hilt must be about 1/8th inch in diameter.
 
2013-01-10 09:39:22 PM

timujin: that's what I thought at first, but the fingers are there, the area right above her thumb is red at least.  They're just closed to the point that the hilt must be about 1/8th inch in diameter.


I swear that entire picture turns into Escher's Comic Panel if you stare at it for long enough.
 
2013-01-10 09:40:02 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Mike Chewbacca: Keizer_Ghidorah: Mike Chewbacca: Keizer_Ghidorah: Teufelaffe: Keizer_Ghidorah: maverickzy: You're right, the comics industry does not have a problem with the portrayal of female heroes.

And that has shiat to do with what we're discussing here. Stay on topic and leave the fallacies at home.

But since you touched on it, they're fictional characters who bear no resemblance to real women, so let's not get all women's lib over ink and paint.

"It's fiction so it doesn't matter" is the biggest cop-out ever.

"The portrayal of fictional women tells men to treat real women as objects" is the same stupidity as "Video games cause children to shoot up schools".

Actually, women are objectified in real life, and that's why they're objectified in our art. Humans are violent in real life, and that's why we have violent video games.

I've never seen real women as merely sex objects to be lusted over because I read a comic book, nor have I ever had the desire to slaughter people because I played Mortal Kombat or Modern Warfare. If comics and games really had that kind of influence, I'd have been in prison years ago for jumping on people's heads and stomping on turtles and throwing them at things.

Did you even read what I wrote? Objectification of women in real life leads to the objectification of women in art, not the other way around. Objectification of women in art is a SYMPTOM of the problem, it is not the cause.

Bleah, my bad. But with so many people attacking comics, games, and other things as the cause for it, things get all mushed together.

The only thing that will fix it is a vast fundamental psychological shift in all of humanity. Something that, barring some cataclysmic event, is very unlikely to happen.


Young boys will always like t&a.
 
2013-01-10 09:43:16 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: timujin: that's what I thought at first, but the fingers are there, the area right above her thumb is red at least.  They're just closed to the point that the hilt must be about 1/8th inch in diameter.

I swear that entire picture turns into Escher's Comic Panel if you stare at it for long enough.


Good thing there are so few words before a page turn.
 
2013-01-10 09:45:04 PM
www.damnlol.com
 
2013-01-10 09:58:59 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: timujin: that's what I thought at first, but the fingers are there, the area right above her thumb is red at least.  They're just closed to the point that the hilt must be about 1/8th inch in diameter.

I swear that entire picture turns into Escher's Comic Panel if you stare at it for long enough.


Oh god you're right. It's just so... weird.
 
2013-01-10 10:05:48 PM
So who wants to objectify some women with me?
 
2013-01-10 10:07:06 PM

PanicMan: Fluorescent Testicle: timujin: that's what I thought at first, but the fingers are there, the area right above her thumb is red at least.  They're just closed to the point that the hilt must be about 1/8th inch in diameter.

I swear that entire picture turns into Escher's Comic Panel if you stare at it for long enough.

Oh god you're right. It's just so... weird.


Damn, started out looking like typically hot-girl panel, then it starts to come apart, impressions of motion or turning in one part, while stock-still in another, the Swords of Escher, the conjoined knees, etc etc. I think Cthulu may be in there somewhere.
 
2013-01-10 10:22:44 PM

timujin: Flappyhead: Fluorescent Testicle: Arachnophobe: PanicMan: timujin: Celain: maverickzy: This is from 2011.

Can you spot all the things wrong with this picture?

Wow, he forgot to do the weapons again and had to add them in (poorly) at the last minute.

Right arm, which is farther away, is larger than the left. Also doesn't fit body position.

Hips are very asymmetrical.

Belt holding daggers only has half a strap.

At least we don't have feet for him to screw up.

The right hand is squeezed tighter then the diameter of the sword's hilt and her right hip is dislocated.

The cross isn't tied to anything. It's just kind of jammed in her cleavage.

Her fishnets just kind of stop, and her legs appear to be melding into one mermaid-like appendage.

The sword on her back is either the most strangely-sword in modern history, or it's just a floating, bladeless handle, and there don't seem to be any straps holding the damn thing in place.

Look closer, the hand doesn't exist. It's just a thumb.

that's what I thought at first, but the fingers are there, the area right above her thumb is red at least.  They're just closed to the point that the hilt must be about 1/8th inch in diameter.


That's because it's a draw-over. Rob drew the hand first, then realized he needed swords and put one on a clenched fist. His depth and scaling are(as usual) all screwed up so the giant hilt and guard obliterated the hand except for the thumb and some forefinger. For all intents and purposes, the hand itself no longer exists. He's done similar things like drawing boobs over sword blades with equaly hilarious results.
 
2013-01-10 10:24:37 PM
Wait, 7 is not good bad-fanfic?

I did enjoy 3. Loki is shown groveling on his knees and holding her hand near his face as I can assume she is standing. Given that her hands do not reach past her waist and her legs are 2x her torso... I would place her height at about ~4.5'.
 
2013-01-10 10:26:49 PM

Bonanza Jellybean: Does Greg "porno tracer" Land still have a job?

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 400x264]


Better: He's the artist for Iron Man.
 
2013-01-10 10:35:26 PM

maverickzy: This is from 2011.

[robliefeldcreations.com image 569x901]

Can you spot all the things wrong with this picture?


haha, her left hand is not even holding the sword! ... and her pelvic area extends to her knees...
 
2013-01-10 10:36:23 PM

Ishkur: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: "The one where they're auditioning for an off-broadway interpretive dance production"
What does that have to do with anatomy?

To be fair, some poses are really stupid, and the poses are almost always women.

[www.bytecolumn.com image 850x445]


Shat myself a little bit I did. THAT is funny.
 
2013-01-10 10:41:15 PM

Arn_Dee: scottydoesntknow: PonceAlyosha: scottydoesntknow: Bonanza Jellybean: Does Greg "porno tracer" Land still have a job?

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 400x264]

Hey you gotta give him a little credit. At least all his women are in poses an actual human could do.

/You know, cause he traced over an actual human

Now he's doing Iron Man, and you can pick out the frames from the Avengers and the Iron Man movies he traced.

Heh I've been looking at some of the blogs about him since Bonanza Jellybean posted that picture. Pretty freaking hilarious. He's copied everyone from Sandra Bullock to Triple H, from Ray Liotta to Sports Illustrated Swimsuit covers. He's also stolen quite a bit from other artists

http://jimsmashextended.blogspot.co.uk/2008/07/greg-land-tracing-swip i ng-recycling.html

http://fark-no-greg-land.tumblr.com/

/I was intrigued and went looking.


There goes my evening. That's go bad it's... still bad. But I can't look away.
 
2013-01-10 11:07:47 PM
This AGAIN? What do writers for Buzzfeed do the other 364 days a year?
 
2013-01-10 11:25:34 PM
Vaginas should never be on the stomach.

s3-ec.buzzfed.com
 
2013-01-10 11:26:25 PM

DeaH: Vaginas should never be on the stomach.


Gives new meaning to the term "gunt".
 
2013-01-10 11:30:54 PM
Well I'm checking back into this thread. It's one of those reminders that takes me back to when my girlfriends and I would attempt to have our Women's (Comic) Book Club and be met with some of the worst misogyny in the stores we'd go to. I can tell you guys honestly, there's hardly any group around (well, in the West anyway) that has more card carrying members of the He-Man's Woman Haters Club than comic book/gamer nerds.

I was one of the first to drop the group because it was frankly unbearable. It's like nerds are allergic to money from women or something.
 
2013-01-10 11:32:02 PM

DeaH: Vaginas should never be on the stomach.

[s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 600x684]


There is no stomach in that image. She has a spine, some muscle, and then skin stretched over it. Jesus.
 
2013-01-10 11:35:28 PM

DeaH: Vaginas should never be on the stomach.

[s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 600x684]


comedycentral.mtvnimages.com

Three-hole?
 
2013-01-10 11:38:18 PM

KatjaMouse: Well I'm checking back into this thread. It's one of those reminders that takes me back to when my girlfriends and I would attempt to have our Women's (Comic) Book Club and be met with some of the worst misogyny in the stores we'd go to. I can tell you guys honestly, there's hardly any group around (well, in the West anyway) that has more card carrying members of the He-Man's Woman Haters Club than comic book/gamer nerds.

I was one of the first to drop the group because it was frankly unbearable. It's like nerds are allergic to money from women or something.


you need some Gilbert Hernandez in your life, hun.
 
2013-01-10 11:42:23 PM

KatjaMouse: Well I'm checking back into this thread. It's one of those reminders that takes me back to when my girlfriends and I would attempt to have our Women's (Comic) Book Club and be met with some of the worst misogyny in the stores we'd go to. I can tell you guys honestly, there's hardly any group around (well, in the West anyway) that has more card carrying members of the He-Man's Woman Haters Club than comic book/gamer nerds.

I was one of the first to drop the group because it was frankly unbearable. It's like nerds are allergic to money from women or something.


I think the frustration being an eternal virgin must get to them.
 
2013-01-10 11:43:18 PM

KatjaMouse: Well I'm checking back into this thread. It's one of those reminders that takes me back to when my girlfriends and I would attempt to have our Women's (Comic) Book Club and be met with some of the worst misogyny in the stores we'd go to. I can tell you guys honestly, there's hardly any group around (well, in the West anyway) that has more card carrying members of the He-Man's Woman Haters Club than comic book/gamer nerds.

I was one of the first to drop the group because it was frankly unbearable. It's like nerds are allergic to money from women or something.


It's not that comic geeks "hate women", it's just that comic publishers think "boobs on cover = $$$". Of course, just like in every business, there are some straight out misogynists (like Dave "Women are voids" Sim and Frank "Every woman I write is a whore" Miller) but they are the exception, not the rule. Check out Strangers In Paradise, Maggie And Hopey, Love And Rockets, Batwoman, and pretty much anything written by Gail Simone.
 
2013-01-10 11:44:49 PM

KatjaMouse: there's hardly any group around (well, in the West anyway) that has more card carrying members of the He-Man's Woman Haters Club than comic book/gamer nerds.


I have often considered starting a service for these guys: "How to be a gamer/comics geek/general nerd and still not be shunned" But I feel bad about taking money from guys for essentially telling them "Being a farking asshole isn't making you edgy, just a tool; treat women as if they are fully-functioning human beings, and one of them might let you see a real nipple some day; and learn to notice when people's eyes start to glaze over so you can stop talking about the Necron codex for a few minutes; also, don't roll your eyes when someone doesn't know the occupation of every background NPC in Dragon Age."
 
2013-01-10 11:49:57 PM

Celain: maverickzy: This is from 2011.

Can you spot all the things wrong with this picture?

Wow, he forgot to do the weapons again and had to add them in (poorly) at the last minute.

Right arm, which is farther away, is larger than the left. Also doesn't fit body position.

Hips are very asymmetrical.

Belt holding daggers only has half a strap.

At least we don't have feet for him to screw up.


Also, her nipples should be showing in that top. And a top that tight should have proper headlights.
 
2013-01-10 11:51:32 PM

FuryOfFirestorm: Batwoman


It's been a long time, so maybe I'm not thinking of the right one, but what I've seen of Batwoman seemed like lesbian angst as imagined by an undersexed male.
 
2013-01-10 11:51:50 PM

phalamir: KatjaMouse: there's hardly any group around (well, in the West anyway) that has more card carrying members of the He-Man's Woman Haters Club than comic book/gamer nerds.

I have often considered starting a service for these guys: "How to be a gamer/comics geek/general nerd and still not be shunned" But I feel bad about taking money from guys for essentially telling them "Being a farking asshole isn't making you edgy, just a tool; treat women as if they are fully-functioning human beings, and one of them might let you see a real nipple some day; and learn to notice when people's eyes start to glaze over so you can stop talking about the Necron codex for a few minutes; also, don't roll your eyes when someone doesn't know the occupation of every background NPC in Dragon Age."


"Cool Eye For The Geek Guy"?
 
2013-01-10 11:54:13 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: FuryOfFirestorm: Batwoman

It's been a long time, so maybe I'm not thinking of the right one, but what I've seen of Batwoman seemed like lesbian angst as imagined by an undersexed male.


Well, she is a lesbian, but that's just one facet of the character. The art alone is worth the price of admission. The stories and characterization are frosting on the cake.
 
2013-01-10 11:55:28 PM

KatjaMouse: DeaH: Vaginas should never be on the stomach.

[s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 600x684]

There is no stomach in that image. She has a spine, some muscle, and then skin stretched over it. Jesus.


It looks to me that her stomach is a giant, blue vagina.
 
2013-01-11 12:10:24 AM

FuryOfFirestorm: It's not that comic geeks "hate women", it's just that comic publishers think "boobs on cover = $$$".


I don't think they hate women, per se, but since their primary consumed form of art is gigantor-boobies, they get in a feedback loop: they get bad messages about women from the comics (because Miller may be a tool and an exception, but they all read him), so they do things (often without thinking) that annoy women, so they feel they are being shunned, so they self-select for a closed group of similar guys, which makes them more likely to internalize the bad messages, which means they do stupid stuff, ad nauseum. Most are not bad people, but they seem to have decided women are either out to humiliate them or are actively denying them sex as a form of torture. I have met way too many of these fools to count: I have had to quit Warhammer groups because they were skeeving my wife the fark out (and she married my happy ass, so her dumb-ass tolerance is pretty high). I think the main problem is that they can't see women as fully -formed humans, equally deserving of respect - and more importantly, that you can be friends with women without trying to get laid (oh, you want to fark them, but just realize it ain't happening, and get on with life). I remember a 40K couple where he painted, and she played. That I could have a pleasant conversation with the wife, play a game with her, and not once make a pass or inappropriate comment, and then ask the husband for painting pointers with no preliminary territory-pissing stunned the He-man Woman-haters into comas.
 
2013-01-11 12:12:25 AM

KatjaMouse: Well I'm checking back into this thread. It's one of those reminders that takes me back to when my girlfriends and I would attempt to have our Women's (Comic) Book Club and be met with some of the worst misogyny in the stores we'd go to. I can tell you guys honestly, there's hardly any group around (well, in the West anyway) that has more card carrying members of the He-Man's Woman Haters Club than comic book/gamer nerds.

I was one of the first to drop the group because it was frankly unbearable. It's like nerds are allergic to money from women or something.


Don't call all of us evil because of the actions of a few.
 
2013-01-11 12:16:11 AM

DeaH: Vaginas should never be on the stomach.


Man he didn't even try.
 
2013-01-11 12:30:12 AM
Alright, alright, making fun of Rob is timeless, but let's turn it around: what are some of the best artists out there right now?
 
2013-01-11 12:38:23 AM
The sad thing is that DC Comics actually hired that hack Liefield to work on a couple of books in their relaunch last year. Mind-blowing, and it revealed their actual lack of concern for producing quality books.

Then again, the morally reprehensible art-thief and porn-tracer Greg Land was hired to work on one of Marvel's highest-profile books so there is obviously not a lot of integrity in the comic book business.
 
2013-01-11 12:38:54 AM
A day late and a dollar short to the discussion, but for the "depiction of women in comics" discussion a good response to it I found was here. In short: context matters. (Here is the original article that spurred the discussion - interesting if a little fast and loose with its interpretations). Power and sexual fantasies for teenage boys (muscle-guns 'n tatas) is fine once in a while - but it really shouldn't come to define the bulk of a publisher (much less an industry). Sure Powergirl is poking fun at the over-the-top depiction of women - but at some point the ironic joke isn't an ironic joke anymore; it's just TnA. W/o a counterbalance around, to provide the meaningful context, it becomes Chapelle's Black White Supremacist - at some point it became a bunch of frat boys shouting "successful and attractive african american" while stumbling down the street, and not social commentary (hence, Africa).
 
2013-01-11 12:42:22 AM
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Holy fark! This exists?!?! That is the worse picture of anything I have ever seen!
 
2013-01-11 12:54:52 AM

SineSwiper: [s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 600x861]


www.gilbertgottfried.com
 
2013-01-11 01:03:50 AM

YodaBlues: stole



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2013-01-11 01:07:00 AM

Cromar: Alright, alright, making fun of Rob is timeless, but let's turn it around: what are some of the best artists out there right now?


I don't know "best". I only read a few comics.

The aforementioned Batwoman is (mostly) done by J.H. Williams III, and the art is the best part of the line. The stories got way too slow, way too fast for me to want to stay with it, so I'm way behind on that series... but Williams III's stuff is amazing. The story just moved way too slow for me (I get the angst already!!!!!111!!11!). The Batman was also that way... not the angsty thing, but slow. That's the biggest problem IMO: they're milking the Batman/ Gotham lines way too much for my tastes.

As for non-objectified women who could have been done that way... Cliff Chiang's New 52 Wonder Woman is solid stuff, I think. The art isn't crazy awesome like Batwoman, but there's a comic book style and feel to it. You know it's a comic book because it's not hyper-realistic, but it's still good. It's stylized in a good way. And it doesn't happen to need Wonder Woman's ass hanging out to sell the thing. It's just a solid effort... story, art, the whole package. They've made her interesting as a character without resorting to T&A hanging out.

DC isn't "the bestest evar", but the New 52 thing ranges from awful to pretty good. You could do way worse than the Wonder Woman reboot. A shame the Batwoman isn't as interesting as the art.
 
2013-01-11 01:16:34 AM

phalamir: KatjaMouse: there's hardly any group around (well, in the West anyway) that has more card carrying members of the He-Man's Woman Haters Club than comic book/gamer nerds.

I have often considered starting a service for these guys: "How to be a gamer/comics geek/general nerd and still not be shunned" But I feel bad about taking money from guys for essentially telling them "Being a farking asshole isn't making you edgy, just a tool; treat women as if they are fully-functioning human beings, and one of them might let you see a real nipple some day; and learn to notice when people's eyes start to glaze over so you can stop talking about the Necron codex for a few minutes; also, don't roll your eyes when someone doesn't know the occupation of every background NPC in Dragon Age."


You'd be amazed how hard it is to get this basic idea across to some people.
 
2013-01-11 01:22:16 AM

hbk72777: YodaBlues: stole


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Um... now you're just biatching to be biatching.

If it was a completely different story about a different character, I'd agree with stolen. But it's the same shiatty origin story told for the 3,000th time... so why not swipe the same art along with the same old story?

/How many times have you seen Action Comics #1 or Amazing Fantasy #15 covers swiped?
 
2013-01-11 01:25:44 AM

Cromar: Alright, alright, making fun of Rob is timeless, but let's turn it around: what are some of the best artists out there right now?


George Perez. FOREVER!

Jim Lee, Yildiray Cindar, Ethan Van Sciver, and Phil Noto.
 
2013-01-11 01:28:16 AM

FirstNationalBastard: hbk72777: YodaBlues: stole


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Um... now you're just biatching to be biatching.

If it was a completely different story about a different character, I'd agree with stolen. But it's the same shiatty origin story told for the 3,000th time... so why not swipe the same art along with the same old story?

/How many times have you seen Action Comics #1 or Amazing Fantasy #15 covers swiped?


I see it more of a homage or an in-joke. Swipes usually aren't that obvious. But this is Liefeld, so I could be wrong.
 
2013-01-11 01:29:02 AM

SineSwiper: [s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 600x861]

Holy fark! This exists?!?! That is the worse picture of anything I have ever seen!



Jebus, that's got to be the derpiest Wolverine ever. And someone at Marvel payed for that shiat?
 
2013-01-11 01:33:44 AM
I can't believe that people are paying at least four bucks an issue for this sh*t.
 
2013-01-11 01:43:41 AM

Valiente: Osomatic: Not that I don't agree that Liefeld is terrible, but at this point aren't we pretty much beating a dead horse?

FlashHarry: liefeld's captain is still one of the worst things i've ever seen in my life.

Not until he is crushed beneath a dead horse, no. Or at least his drawing hand.


Be careful...
www.evilontwolegs.comwww.tcmuk.tv

... no telling what it might do on its own.
 
2013-01-11 01:53:45 AM

hbk72777: YodaBlues: stole


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Wow he screwed up that arm holding the cell phone, the bicep is almost bigger than the forearm.
 
2013-01-11 01:58:56 AM
s3-ec.buzzfed.com

It's like the artist who did the original Mega Man US box art hired Napoleon Dynamite to pose for him.
 
2013-01-11 02:31:16 AM

Old enough to know better:
Jebus, that's got to be the derpiest Wolverine ever. And someone at Marvel payed for that shiat?


Well, it's obvious someone hasn't paid for spelling lessons.

/bazinga!
 
2013-01-11 02:46:52 AM

KatjaMouse: Well I'm checking back into this thread. It's one of those reminders that takes me back to when my girlfriends and I would attempt to have our Women's (Comic) Book Club and be met with some of the worst misogyny in the stores we'd go to. I can tell you guys honestly, there's hardly any group around (well, in the West anyway) that has more card carrying members of the He-Man's Woman Haters Club than comic book/gamer nerds.

I was one of the first to drop the group because it was frankly unbearable. It's like nerds are allergic to money from women or something.


Your women's group had misogynists? I blame the women.

Your women's group was treated bad by the guys irl? I call bullshiat.
 
2013-01-11 02:48:03 AM
And your women's group's only way to avoid the meanies was to quit your group as opposed to meeting away from the men?

Someone's story doesn't add up.
 
2013-01-11 03:01:34 AM
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//from the October thread
///why am I the first?
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2013-01-11 06:09:11 AM

Cromar: Alright, alright, making fun of Rob is timeless, but let's turn it around: what are some of the best artists out there right now?


I really enjoy Esad Ribic. He's currently drawing Thor, God of Thunder. His covers are especially gorgeous.
 
2013-01-11 06:30:02 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: The only thing that will fix it is a vast fundamental psychological shift in all of humanity. Something that, barring some cataclysmic event, is very unlikely to happen.


You do read too many fantasies. No, that's not what it would take. It would take people like you admitting that yeah, I don't like these symptoms in my art and I'd like to see something different. If they had overtly racist things in there would you make the same argument you are making now that it is "just fantasy?"
 
2013-01-11 06:38:02 AM

Smackledorfer: Your women's group was treated bad by the guys irl? I call bullshiat.


I'm not sure if you see the irony in what you just said in the context of the conversation.
 
2013-01-11 06:46:44 AM

TV's Vinnie: [s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 600x861]

It's like the artist who did the original Mega Man US box art hired Napoleon Dynamite to pose for him.


So what do you expect these artists to do? Go to art school? Maybe learn the basics of perspective? Learn a little human anatomy? Maybe get some practice applying perspective to the drawing of human anatomy? Maybe have to prove they're competent at drawing humans using perspective before they're hired as comic book artists? Maybe the decision that they be hired and allowed to continue to draw for years solely based on their talent?

Now who's being naive, Kay.
 
2013-01-11 07:15:38 AM
Looking for bad comic book art is pretty easy: pick up almost any book on the shelves now. Even the "good" artists like Jim Lee are "good" because they have a basic understanding of anatomy.

/looking for a poorly-written comic is easy, too
//mostly buy comics for the kids now
 
2013-01-11 07:25:18 AM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: //mostly buy comics for the kids now



www.socialtechpop.com
 
2013-01-11 07:33:36 AM

Smackledorfer: I was one of the first to drop the group because it was frankly unbearable. It's like nerds are allergic to money from women or something.

Your women's group was treated bad by the guys irl? I call bullshiat.


If the store owners were in it was usually pretty good because, hey, they knew that there were nerds with vaginas in the world. It was when the stores were being run by their angry, virgin peons that things got sh*tty or some rude customer would harass us.
 
2013-01-11 07:50:03 AM

KatjaMouse: Smackledorfer: I was one of the first to drop the group because it was frankly unbearable. It's like nerds are allergic to money from women or something.

Your women's group was treated bad by the guys irl? I call bullshiat.

If the store owners were in it was usually pretty good because, hey, they knew that there were nerds with vaginas in the world. It was when the stores were being run by their angry, virgin peons that things got sh*tty or some rude customer would harass us.


I would say that this experience is something I've witnessed at the local comic shop. The owner is a reasonably smart guy (a little too willing to forgive comics in general), with a wife and family. When he is there, women are pretty welcome. But when one of the other folks, the kids with no social skills who think all women should look and act like Lady Death, women get frozen out. It's pretty ridiculous, because it is a living "sharp knees" meme. The woman will walk in, pick up a few comics, and the guy at the register will not even look at her, or openly scoff at what she's picked. Then she will leave, and the comments begin: did you see that pimple on her forehead? What about the huge ass?

Keep in mind that most of these females would be considered average to hot, while most of these guys have ... poor hygiene, at the least. Let's just say I hate going there in the hottest days of summer because of the BO that hangs in the air.

On the other hand, when the owner is there, the folks suddenly get respectful. I saw at a Magic tournament, one of the younger kids brought his grandma with him. The owner said there was a couch at the front of the store if she wanted to wait there. She pulled out a deck and told him she was playing, too. And she did. It was pretty cool.
 
2013-01-11 07:56:09 AM

gulogulo: Keizer_Ghidorah: The only thing that will fix it is a vast fundamental psychological shift in all of humanity. Something that, barring some cataclysmic event, is very unlikely to happen.

You do read too many fantasies. No, that's not what it would take. It would take people like you admitting that yeah, I don't like these symptoms in my art and I'd like to see something different. If they had overtly racist things in there would you make the same argument you are making now that it is "just fantasy?"


Racial attacks and insults are a lot different from making women impossibly pretty with huge tits or bulking up men in tiny green speedos. You also need to deliberately make racist attacks and insults with intent to harm and antagonize people you don't like. For example, you draw a black person resembling a deformed chimpanzee because you hate black people; you draw an ultra-perfect woman because you find it attractive. Which of those will cause more anger and backlash?
 
2013-01-11 07:58:44 AM

DeaH: Vaginas should never be on the stomach.


s3-ec.buzzfed.com

I'm more concerned about the giant cancerous tumor that has grown out of Cap's Penis. He should really get that checked out.
 
2013-01-11 08:04:52 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Racial attacks and insults are a lot different from making women impossibly pretty with huge tits or bulking up men in tiny green speedos. You also need to deliberately make racist attacks and insults with intent to harm and antagonize people you don't like. For example, you draw a black person resembling a deformed chimpanzee because you hate black people they thought it was funny (at the time); you draw an ultra-perfect woman because you find it attractive. Which of those will cause more anger and backlash?


There isn't a huge difference here. You're just making the emotion more 'innocent' by giving it a positive connotation. What if it were a racist stereotype saying all Asian people are whiz-kids. It's a good thing to be smart. It's a reflection of something wrong with culture,however, that you would see no problem perpetuating in your chosen art.
 
2013-01-11 08:12:11 AM

TV's Vinnie: [s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 600x861]

It's like the artist who did the original Mega Man US box art hired Napoleon Dynamite to pose for him.


My favorite part is how the shirt gets past his shoulders, and just kind of ...stops. As if the artist has no idea how clothes work.
 
2013-01-11 08:20:36 AM

gulogulo: Keizer_Ghidorah: Racial attacks and insults are a lot different from making women impossibly pretty with huge tits or bulking up men in tiny green speedos. You also need to deliberately make racist attacks and insults with intent to harm and antagonize people you don't like. For example, you draw a black person resembling a deformed chimpanzee because you hate black people they thought it was funny (at the time); you draw an ultra-perfect woman because you find it attractive. Which of those will cause more anger and backlash?

There isn't a huge difference here. You're just making the emotion more 'innocent' by giving it a positive connotation. What if it were a racist stereotype saying all Asian people are whiz-kids. It's a good thing to be smart. It's a reflection of something wrong with culture,however, that you would see no problem perpetuating in your chosen art.


Then address it at the source: the society. Don't demonize fictional characters because they happen to resemble some archaic characature or because they're more attractive than a real person. And personally, I just don't see why I should get up in arms over fictional mutant women with super powers looking like Greek goddesses, or one character who happens to be a minority being shown as super-intelligent, because they hurt nobody except those who seem to be looking for a reason to be angry at something.

Monkey-fied blacks and goblin-nosed Jews, I'll roll my eyes at and wish a painful death on whoever made it or thinks the same way, because that's contemptible any way you look at it.
 
2013-01-11 08:42:17 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: gulogulo: Keizer_Ghidorah: Racial attacks and insults are a lot different from making women impossibly pretty with huge tits or bulking up men in tiny green speedos. You also need to deliberately make racist attacks and insults with intent to harm and antagonize people you don't like. For example, you draw a black person resembling a deformed chimpanzee because you hate black people they thought it was funny (at the time); you draw an ultra-perfect woman because you find it attractive. Which of those will cause more anger and backlash?

There isn't a huge difference here. You're just making the emotion more 'innocent' by giving it a positive connotation. What if it were a racist stereotype saying all Asian people are whiz-kids. It's a good thing to be smart. It's a reflection of something wrong with culture,however, that you would see no problem perpetuating in your chosen art.

Then address it at the source: the society. Don't demonize fictional characters because they happen to resemble some archaic characature or because they're more attractive than a real person. And personally, I just don't see why I should get up in arms over fictional mutant women with super powers looking like Greek goddesses, or one character who happens to be a minority being shown as super-intelligent, because they hurt nobody except those who seem to be looking for a reason to be angry at something.

Monkey-fied blacks and goblin-nosed Jews, I'll roll my eyes at and wish a painful death on whoever made it or thinks the same way, because that's contemptible any way you look at it.


You are a part of society and a part of perpetuating it so I am taking it to it's source. Society isn't one monolithic thing, it's a an amalgamation of pieces, of which this is a part of it. I'm not demonizing the characters. I'm criticizing the people who continue to perpetuate those standards and see nothing wrong with them.
 
2013-01-11 08:55:58 AM

TV's Vinnie: [s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 600x861]

It's like the artist who did the original Mega Man US box art hired Napoleon Dynamite to pose for him.


That looks like a Polish movie poster
 
2013-01-11 09:02:26 AM
Wow, the left girl in 13 is particularly bad - her torso looks about the same diameter as her wrist. Maybe someone should tell comic artists where babies come from.
 
2013-01-11 09:44:44 AM

KatjaMouse: Smackledorfer: I was one of the first to drop the group because it was frankly unbearable. It's like nerds are allergic to money from women or something.

Your women's group was treated bad by the guys irl? I call bullshiat.

If the store owners were in it was usually pretty good because, hey, they knew that there were nerds with vaginas in the world. It was when the stores were being run by their angry, virgin peons that things got sh*tty or some rude customer would harass us.


Honestly you sound as bad as the nerds you describe right now. I wonder whether the issues you had didn't stem from both sides to at least some extent.

Also some nerds are just mean to the less nerdy (probably because of all the shiat the rest of society gives them) so maybe it had little to do with sex at all.
 
2013-01-11 10:12:12 AM

Smackledorfer: Honestly you sound as bad as the nerds you describe right now. I wonder whether the issues you had didn't stem from both sides to at least some extent.


How do I sound just as bad? We'd come in, take a free table and try to discuss what we'd been reading and then decide on the next meeting topic. There was one time I came up to the register with some cowboy comic and an Umbrella Academy and he would insist I would get no satisfaction out of them and try reading a girl comic instead. Over a few weeks a few customers kept coming up to our table and continually kept trying to hit on a couple friends over and over until we all just decided to leave out right as the shift manager wasn't doing anything about it. The only way the group was able to survive was to change meeting times so that we'd be in when the owner was working. Despite that change I still dropped because I thought it was already getting too toxic.
 
2013-01-11 10:25:45 AM

Smackledorfer: Your women's group was treated bad by the guys irl? I call bullshiat.


Happens all the time. It's an unfortunate problem with the comic/gamer nerd demographic. Mainstream society's mechanisms for identifying and pressuring creepers and jerks generate too many false positives: something we sought to correct, in the name of including people who society had mistakenly excluded. But our own mechanisms generate too many false negatives, leading us to tolerate the intolerable far too often and include people who truly should be excluded.
 
2013-01-11 10:36:56 AM

FuryOfFirestorm: comic publishers think "boobs on cover = $$$".


They know that. Everyone knows that. Everyone from an industry that sells anything with a cover knows that. The people in books on tape know that.
 
2013-01-11 10:47:26 AM

TV's Vinnie: It's like the artist who did the original Mega Man US box art hired Napoleon Dynamite to pose for him.


It's Wolverine's teeth and gums that keep making me laugh when I look at that pic. It's almost as good as the Hurr-Durr Shark pics.
 
2013-01-11 10:52:00 AM

theorellior: TV's Vinnie: It's like the artist who did the original Mega Man US box art hired Napoleon Dynamite to pose for him.

It's Wolverine's teeth and gums that keep making me laugh when I look at that pic. It's almost as good as the Hurr-Durr Shark pics.


I could just stare at it all day. Like I'd get it framed and mounted because it's almost art in itself. Well... in a sort of naive "Outsider" art sort of way.
 
2013-01-11 11:04:41 AM
Just to demonstrate that pic of Psylocke isn't totally absurd.
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-11 11:06:54 AM
I would love to see animated short stories with all of these characters.
They could all work in an office cubicle farm or something. The story wouldn't really matter.
It would mostly just be all these deformed characters trying to interact with their environment.
Like some of these women attempting to sit in a chair and snapping in half at the waist.
Some of the guys with the giant chests would have to drag around one of those oxygen tanks filled with albuterol so they can breathe normal. Etc.
 
2013-01-11 11:21:29 AM

Fano: Mike Chewbacca: Keizer_Ghidorah: Teufelaffe: Keizer_Ghidorah: maverickzy: You're right, the comics industry does not have a problem with the portrayal of female heroes.

And that has shiat to do with what we're discussing here. Stay on topic and leave the fallacies at home.

But since you touched on it, they're fictional characters who bear no resemblance to real women, so let's not get all women's lib over ink and paint.

"It's fiction so it doesn't matter" is the biggest cop-out ever.

"The portrayal of fictional women tells men to treat real women as objects" is the same stupidity as "Video games cause children to shoot up schools".

Actually, women are objectified in real life, and that's why they're objectified in our art. Humans are violent in real life, and that's why we have violent video games.

But women (and men) ARE objects.


"Hey Bender! Are you and the ship and item? Well, I know you're both items."
 
2013-01-11 11:25:14 AM
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2013-01-11 11:49:13 AM

KatjaMouse: Smackledorfer: Honestly you sound as bad as the nerds you describe right now. I wonder whether the issues you had didn't stem from both sides to at least some extent.

How do I sound just as bad? We'd come in, take a free table and try to discuss what we'd been reading and then decide on the next meeting topic. There was one time I came up to the register with some cowboy comic and an Umbrella Academy and he would insist I would get no satisfaction out of them and try reading a girl comic instead. Over a few weeks a few customers kept coming up to our table and continually kept trying to hit on a couple friends over and over until we all just decided to leave out right as the shift manager wasn't doing anything about it. The only way the group was able to survive was to change meeting times so that we'd be in when the owner was working. Despite that change I still dropped because I thought it was already getting too toxic.


I guess what I don't buy is your argument that woman-hating is so mainstream in comic nerddom that they seemingly harassed you at every turn.

This followed by what is obviously a big chip on your shoulder against all the nerdy guys you want respect from and it seems like things went both ways.

I could be wrong. But I see a double standard in these discussions. Look at whizbang's comment: the women in the anwcdote are all attractive above average people while those filthy nerd guys are just scum.

It is statistically ridiculous to believe such things are the norm like that. When women say all or most of the guys in group A are bad all I can do is roll my eyes. Stereotyping is stereotyping.
 
2013-01-11 12:00:47 PM
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Nice try, but I think it's actually based on this image.

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2013-01-11 12:21:26 PM

Smackledorfer: I guess what I don't buy is your argument that woman-hating is so mainstream in comic nerddom that they seemingly harassed you at every turn.

This followed by what is obviously a big chip on your shoulder against all the nerdy guys you want respect from and it seems like things went both ways.

I could be wrong. But I see a double standard in these discussions. Look at whizbang's comment: the women in the anwcdote are all attractive above average people while those filthy nerd guys are just scum.

It is statistically ridiculous to believe such things are the norm like that. When women say all or most of the guys in group A are bad all I can do is roll my eyes. Stereotyping is stereotyping.


When I go to Con's things are somewhat egalitarian and stats definitely equal out. However there is a huge amount of abuse and harassment targeted towards women on local levels where they're still minorities. You're not as sensitive to it as someone who would be part of a targeted group (in this case, women) but it's definitely a problem. Here's an article that points out some of the issues but yeah, it's a genuinely touchy subject for a lot of women who are in these communities.
 
2013-01-11 12:33:16 PM

Smackledorfer: I guess what I don't buy is your argument that woman-hating is so mainstream in comic nerddom that they seemingly harassed you at every turn.


It's been a major topic of discussion on the internet lately, examples are everywhere. Look up "booth babe" and "fake nerd girl" and "sexism in comics". Just because you haven't seen it or don't believe it, doesn't mean it's not a problem.
 
2013-01-11 12:54:25 PM

PanicMan: Smackledorfer: I guess what I don't buy is your argument that woman-hating is so mainstream in comic nerddom that they seemingly harassed you at every turn.

It's been a major topic of discussion on the internet lately, examples are everywhere. Look up "booth babe" and "fake nerd girl" and "sexism in comics". Just because you haven't seen it or don't believe it, doesn't mean it's not a problem.


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2013-01-11 12:58:57 PM

PanicMan: Smackledorfer: I guess what I don't buy is your argument that woman-hating is so mainstream in comic nerddom that they seemingly harassed you at every turn.

It's been a major topic of discussion on the internet lately, examples are everywhere. Look up "booth babe" and "fake nerd girl" and "sexism in comics". Just because you haven't seen it or don't believe it, doesn't mean it's not a problem.


Sure it is, it's just not as widespread as people are trying to make it out to be. The problem is the "Gatekeeper" mentality adopted by people, especially if the person is a very notable member of the community. Great read on this Link

There's a similar debate going on regarding sexism and harassment at science/atheist conferences that's equally as silly. A small group of people are crying foul at the top of their lungs and it's drowning out the rest of the group(male and female) who don't see a problem.
 
2013-01-11 01:58:39 PM

PanicMan: Smackledorfer: I guess what I don't buy is your argument that woman-hating is so mainstream in comic nerddom that they seemingly harassed you at every turn.

It's been a major topic of discussion on the internet lately, examples are everywhere. Look up "booth babe" and "fake nerd girl" and "sexism in comics". Just because you haven't seen it or don't believe it, doesn't mean it's not a problem.


Maybe I am sexist then I find the fake geek and fake nerd stuff to be more attention whoring than anything else.

Which obviously doesn't mean all nerd girls have to be ugly or else they are fake. But it gets to a point where a model in mens health called herself a total geek for playing angry nerds. Wtf is that?!
:)
 
2013-01-11 02:37:54 PM

Smackledorfer: PanicMan: Smackledorfer: I guess what I don't buy is your argument that woman-hating is so mainstream in comic nerddom that they seemingly harassed you at every turn.

It's been a major topic of discussion on the internet lately, examples are everywhere. Look up "booth babe" and "fake nerd girl" and "sexism in comics". Just because you haven't seen it or don't believe it, doesn't mean it's not a problem.

Maybe I am sexist then I find the fake geek and fake nerd stuff to be more attention whoring than anything else.

Which obviously doesn't mean all nerd girls have to be ugly or else they are fake. But it gets to a point where a model in mens health called herself a total geek for playing angry nerds. Wtf is that?!
:)


Why do you care? Whether someone is an attention whore or actually geeky, it has pretty much zero impact on your life, so why care?
 
2013-01-11 03:37:58 PM

Mayhem of the Black Underclass: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 310x237]

Nice try, but I think it's actually based on this image.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 638x901]


I remember seeing that pic of Arnold in a book shop as a little kid and ran to get my older brother to show it to him. I thought that with the way his relatively flat stomach comes up and then just sort of juts out square like that at the chest, I thought he looked like Optimus Prime. :)
 
2013-01-11 04:02:37 PM

Mayhem of the Black Underclass: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 310x237]

Nice try, but I think it's actually based on this image.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 638x901]


Either way, in Arnold's case, both arms are in the picture, so the flexing explains the angle of the chest. Not in the case of the Cap panel. That's just freaky.
 
2013-01-11 04:35:57 PM

gulogulo: You are a part of society and a part of perpetuating it so I am taking it to it's source. Society isn't one monolithic thing, it's a an amalgamation of pieces, of which this is a part of it. I'm not demonizing the characters. I'm criticizing the people who continue to perpetuate those standards and see nothing wrong with them.


I'm sorry that I don't find making fictional people super-sexy something to be outraged over. I just can't get worked up enough to look at Power Girl and scream "HOW DARE THEY MAKE THIS INK-AND-PAINT WOMAN WITH INCREDIBLE SUPERPOWERS NOT LOOK LIKE YOUR AVERAGE WOMAN IN EVERYDAY LIFE!!", or entertain some conspiracy theory about ten-year-olds seeing Power Girl and somehow turning into woman-hating misogynists.
 
2013-01-11 04:46:00 PM

Mayhem of the Black Underclass: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 310x237]

Nice try, but I think it's actually based on this image.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 638x901]


That's plausible, I guess, but Liefeld comes out of that scenario looking even dumber, because it means he mistook Ahnuld's shoulder and left arm for his pecs.
 
2013-01-11 04:56:36 PM

Teufelaffe: Smackledorfer: PanicMan: Smackledorfer: I guess what I don't buy is your argument that woman-hating is so mainstream in comic nerddom that they seemingly harassed you at every turn.

It's been a major topic of discussion on the internet lately, examples are everywhere. Look up "booth babe" and "fake nerd girl" and "sexism in comics". Just because you haven't seen it or don't believe it, doesn't mean it's not a problem.

Maybe I am sexist then I find the fake geek and fake nerd stuff to be more attention whoring than anything else.

Which obviously doesn't mean all nerd girls have to be ugly or else they are fake. But it gets to a point where a model in mens health called herself a total geek for playing angry nerds. Wtf is that?!
:)

Why do you care? Whether someone is an attention whore or actually geeky, it has pretty much zero impact on your life, so why care?


This from the guy with so much concern over tits and ass in drawings...
 
2013-01-11 05:33:10 PM

Smackledorfer: Teufelaffe: Smackledorfer: PanicMan: Smackledorfer: I guess what I don't buy is your argument that woman-hating is so mainstream in comic nerddom that they seemingly harassed you at every turn.

It's been a major topic of discussion on the internet lately, examples are everywhere. Look up "booth babe" and "fake nerd girl" and "sexism in comics". Just because you haven't seen it or don't believe it, doesn't mean it's not a problem.

Maybe I am sexist then I find the fake geek and fake nerd stuff to be more attention whoring than anything else.

Which obviously doesn't mean all nerd girls have to be ugly or else they are fake. But it gets to a point where a model in mens health called herself a total geek for playing angry nerds. Wtf is that?!
:)

Why do you care? Whether someone is an attention whore or actually geeky, it has pretty much zero impact on your life, so why care?

This from the guy with so much concern over tits and ass in drawings...


As I stated upthread, it's simply something I don't like. It's not any more concerning to me than Brussels sprouts or Taylor Swift. And the thing is, it's not the amount of skin or T&A that they show that I don't like. It's the absolutely idiotic poses they put them in so that they have an excuse to try and get as many jiggly-bits into frame as possible. Most of them just cry out, "OMG BOOBS AND BUTTS R KEWL" and it's distracting from the action, the story, the characters, and even the "fan service", since someone who looks like they should be dead from severe spinal injuries due to the position their body is in just isn't attractive (I'm shallow that way).

Nice try at dodging the question though. Why do you care so much about attention whores?
 
2013-01-11 06:08:29 PM

Teufelaffe: Smackledorfer: Teufelaffe: Smackledorfer: PanicMan: Smackledorfer: I guess what I don't buy is your argument that woman-hating is so mainstream in comic nerddom that they seemingly harassed you at every turn.

It's been a major topic of discussion on the internet lately, examples are everywhere. Look up "booth babe" and "fake nerd girl" and "sexism in comics". Just because you haven't seen it or don't believe it, doesn't mean it's not a problem.

Maybe I am sexist then I find the fake geek and fake nerd stuff to be more attention whoring than anything else.

Which obviously doesn't mean all nerd girls have to be ugly or else they are fake. But it gets to a point where a model in mens health called herself a total geek for playing angry nerds. Wtf is that?!
:)

Why do you care? Whether someone is an attention whore or actually geeky, it has pretty much zero impact on your life, so why care?

This from the guy with so much concern over tits and ass in drawings...

As I stated upthread, it's simply something I don't like. It's not any more concerning to me than Brussels sprouts or Taylor Swift. And the thing is, it's not the amount of skin or T&A that they show that I don't like. It's the absolutely idiotic poses they put them in so that they have an excuse to try and get as many jiggly-bits into frame as possible. Most of them just cry out, "OMG BOOBS AND BUTTS R KEWL" and it's distracting from the action, the story, the characters, and even the "fan service", since someone who looks like they should be dead from severe spinal injuries due to the position their body is in just isn't attractive (I'm shallow that way).

Nice try at dodging the question though. Why do you care so much about attention whores?


Where did I say I cared "so much"?
You are trying to make a mountain out of a molehill here.

All I said was I found to be attention whoring.

Is there a specific thing I said that is giving you trouble, or are you just stirring up any shiat you think you see at this point?
 
2013-01-11 06:49:06 PM

Smackledorfer: Where did I say I cared "so much"?


Smackledorfer: Wtf is that?!


Maybe my tongue-in-cheek meter is broken, but it seemed like it was an issue for you. If you weren't treating it as srs bzns, I apologize.
 
2013-01-11 07:07:20 PM

Teufelaffe: Smackledorfer: Where did I say I cared "so much"?

Smackledorfer: Wtf is that?!

Maybe my tongue-in-cheek meter is broken, but it seemed like it was an issue for you. If you weren't treating it as srs bzns, I apologize.


That's fair.
 
2013-01-11 07:35:40 PM

Smackledorfer: Which obviously doesn't mean all nerd girls have to be ugly or else they are fake. But it gets to a point where a model in mens health called herself a total geek for playing angry nerds. Wtf is that?!


I have to ask. Was this a typo or was she really playing "Angry Nerds"?
 
2013-01-11 08:56:09 PM

Skyrmion: Smackledorfer: Which obviously doesn't mean all nerd girls have to be ugly or else they are fake. But it gets to a point where a model in mens health called herself a total geek for playing angry nerds. Wtf is that?!

I have to ask. Was this a typo or was she really playing "Angry Nerds"?


I though it was Teufelaffe and Smackledorfer playing that.
 
2013-01-11 09:02:35 PM

maverickzy: Can you spot all the things wrong with this picture?


The missing nipple's the first thing I noticed, but that's already been mentioned. Let's see ... what hasn't been mentioned yet ...

There's no strap across her left hip for the knife pouch
Her clavicles are too short, they're angled down, and the way they come together her sternum's impossibly narrow and low
Her right hip and left shoulder are both angled toward the viewer. People don't bend that way.
Nose is impossibly small, but I'll call it "stylized" and give him a pass on that one
While I'm being charitable I'll give him a pass for that wonky foreshortening of lower half of the head, too
I've never seen a human with that skin tone, it looks like Crayola Flesh crayon toned down with gray. To be fair I suppose it doesn't need to be believable in art like this
The blade of the sword hovering in front of her left hand is too 2-dimensional. You can tell how it's supposed to be oriented when you look at the hilt, but it loses it by the time it gets to the point.
 
2013-01-11 09:34:13 PM

Optimal_Illusion: Skyrmion: Smackledorfer: Which obviously doesn't mean all nerd girls have to be ugly or else they are fake. But it gets to a point where a model in mens health called herself a total geek for playing angry nerds. Wtf is that?!

I have to ask. Was this a typo or was she really playing "Angry Nerds"?

I though it was Teufelaffe and Smackledorfer playing that.


Zing :)
 
2013-01-12 05:53:36 AM

Mayhem of the Black Underclass: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 310x237]

Nice try, but I think it's actually based on this image.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 638x901]


it's really the neck placement. also the visible back. i remember being ten and seeing that on a Wizard magazine. always seemed off. it's like he started to draw him standing sideways, and then went for the 3/4th angle.

in his defense, when you are a kid you don't notice or care and Liefeld made the pages pop out compared to what was being put out. but that was the earl/mid 90's. i think the day the Cap picture looked wrong is when i realized Kirby wasn't some weird artist and knew anatomy and thanked goodness for Tom Grummett.
 
2013-01-12 12:27:51 PM
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/updated, with a shield and Arnie's arm removed.
 
2013-01-12 04:22:10 PM
Hi, I'm gonna leave this here:

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2013-01-12 04:24:14 PM

rocky_howard: Hi, I'm gonna leave this here:


I've could have sworn I've seen similar pics, except with the meme of "she's real" added to it
 
2013-01-12 10:18:57 PM
Yep. You too can go on the internet and find a photo of a woman who looks like she's trying to take a shiat on a swingset.1

1. Progressive Bonk's Worst of Rob Liefeld II. I laughed til I wept and then I wept some more.
 
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