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(22 Words)   It may be old news, but you can't prove that a teapot isn't orbiting the sun, and 10 other ways you're always wrong   (twentytwowords.com) divider line 94
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2013-01-10 01:57:21 PM  
Any article in the politics tab would make a fascinating study.
 
2013-01-10 02:08:33 PM  
The teapot is on the Earth, which is orbiting the Sun. Therefore, the teapot is orbiting the Sun by proxy. QED.

/DNRTFA
 
2013-01-10 02:11:26 PM  
 
2013-01-10 02:22:53 PM  
That reads like a case study in Republican talking points.

//had to go there
 
2013-01-10 02:56:04 PM  
Any inductive truth is in fact begging the question.
 
Pud [TotalFark]
2013-01-10 03:05:50 PM  
So, have you finally stopped beating your wife, or are you still in denial of it?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-10 03:32:21 PM  
This looks like a useful manual for Fark commenters.
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2013-01-10 03:41:45 PM  
i.techrepublic.com.com
 
2013-01-10 03:53:45 PM  

Pud: So, have you finally stopped beating your wife, or are you still in denial of it?


Why do you keep talking about such meaningless topics when children are starving to death in Burma? Do you hate the Burmese, or do you just hate children? WHY DO YOU HATE CHILDREN?
 
2013-01-10 05:51:32 PM  

whistleridge: Pud: So, have you finally stopped beating your wife, or are you still in denial of it?

Why do you keep talking about such meaningless topics when children are starving to death in Burma? Do you hate the Burmese, or do you just hate children? WHY DO YOU HATE CHILDREN?


C'mon, let's find some middle ground? Can we agree that Pud only hates some children, and whistleridge has stopped beating his wife?
 
2013-01-10 05:51:42 PM  

Hydra: The teapot is on the Earth, which is orbiting the Sun. Therefore, the teapot is orbiting the Sun by proxy. QED.

/DNRTFA


ALL teapots are on Earth, therefore NO teapots are not orbiting the sun.

Hypothetical alien teapots are nothing but strawpots to distract from the truth.
 
2013-01-10 05:54:48 PM  

IlGreven: whistleridge: Pud: So, have you finally stopped beating your wife, or are you still in denial of it?

Why do you keep talking about such meaningless topics when children are starving to death in Burma? Do you hate the Burmese, or do you just hate children? WHY DO YOU HATE CHILDREN?

C'mon, let's find some middle ground? Can we agree that Pud only hates some children, and whistleridge has stopped beating his wife?


I dunno. Some people say that Pud eats Burmese children and whistleridge beat his secret first wife to death.
 
2013-01-10 05:57:00 PM  

Hydra: The teapot is on the Earth, which is orbiting the Sun. Therefore, the teapot is orbiting the Sun by proxy. QED.

/DNRTFA


Nuh Uh, the Sun travels around the Earth so the Sun is orbiting the teapots
 
2013-01-10 06:04:42 PM  

TheOther: Hypothetical alien teapots are nothing but strawpots to distract from the truth.


www.coated.com

/GIS for alien teapot
 
2013-01-10 06:07:28 PM  
I'm just glad to see that it showed that "begging the question" doesn't mean "raising the question."
 
2013-01-10 06:15:23 PM  

BATMANATEE: IlGreven: whistleridge: Pud: So, have you finally stopped beating your wife, or are you still in denial of it?

Why do you keep talking about such meaningless topics when children are starving to death in Burma? Do you hate the Burmese, or do you just hate children? WHY DO YOU HATE CHILDREN?

C'mon, let's find some middle ground? Can we agree that Pud only hates some children, and whistleridge has stopped beating his wife?

I dunno. Some people say that Pud eats Burmese children and whistleridge beat his secret first wife to death.


Look, it's dead simple. Either Pud eats Burmese children or whistleridge is a wife-beater. Its gotta be one or the other.
 
2013-01-10 06:15:50 PM  
Spock has a logical phallus.
 
2013-01-10 06:22:17 PM  
If you think something is ironic, it's probably not.
 
2013-01-10 06:23:12 PM  
"Circular reasoning" is a better name for "begging the question" because circular reasoning is a better name.
 
2013-01-10 06:26:27 PM  

LDM90: If you think something is ironic, it's probably not.


How ironic.

/or is it?
 
2013-01-10 06:27:59 PM  
The fallacy fallacy is interesting- just because some one argues poorly, or makes a fallacy in arguing a position, doesn't mean the position is necessarily wrong.

The slippery slope fallacy is not a fallacy if you can show how you got from A to Z. It's also not a slippery slope fallacy to say "Completing Step A (a small matter, like registering all guns) makes Step Z (a large matter, like confiscating all guns) a LOT easier to complete, so we're gonna be safe and not do Step A at all".

Loaded questions can be defused by pointing out that it's an unfair, loaded question, and then making your position clear.
"Have you stopped beating your wife?"
"That's a loaded question, unfairly phrased to make any simple answer I make sound bad. The truth is, I have never beaten my wife, and certainly do not plan to start."

The gamblers fallacy is true... yet not. While it is true that on the next spin of the roulette wheel both black and red have a 50/50 chance of coming up (if you ignore 0 and 00), it's also true that all runs of one color or the other are finite, and eventually the other color WILL come up.

Black-or-white- sometimes is true. "You are either a Democrat... or you are not" is a perfectly true black-or-white.

Middle Ground- I often find that the position that allows for the most choice is the correct position to take. The extremes are usually too... extreme.
No one can have guns -------- people can choose to have guns if they want -------- people are forced to have guns
No woman can have an abortion ---------- women can choose to abort ----------- women are forced to have abortions
and so on.
 
2013-01-10 06:31:19 PM  
Of course (slightly related to the fallacy fallacy), it must be noted that conspicuously pointing out other peoples fallacies during a rational argument is one of the surest ways of ensuring the end of any rational argument.

Not to say it isn't good to know them and recognize them (in your own arguments as well as others), but it works better to be more subtle that posting a generic fallacy png or equivalent.
 
2013-01-10 06:43:33 PM  

Hydra: The teapot is on the Earth, which is orbiting the Sun. Therefore, the teapot is orbiting the Sun by proxy. QED.

/DNRTFA


Yeah, my teapot is orbiting the sun along with all the other teapots. Also DNRTFA.
 
2013-01-10 06:45:28 PM  

xria: Of course (slightly related to the fallacy fallacy), it must be noted that conspicuously pointing out other peoples fallacies during a rational argument is one of the surest ways of ensuring the end of any rational argument.

Not to say it isn't good to know them and recognize them (in your own arguments as well as others), but it works better to be more subtle that posting a generic fallacy png or equivalent.


people.virginia.edu
/you're right, I'm just messing with you
//plus I never get to post this one
 
2013-01-10 06:47:04 PM  

Science_Guy_3.14159: Hydra: The teapot is on the Earth, which is orbiting the Sun. Therefore, the teapot is orbiting the Sun by proxy. QED.

/DNRTFA

Nuh Uh, the Sun travels around the Earth so the Sun is orbiting the teapots


From my perspective, it does!
(actually, yeah, from the perspective of someone on Earth, the sun revolves around it)
 
2013-01-10 06:52:53 PM  
One problem I always have with the Strawman Argument fallacy is on forums where there are people that, in fact, represent the position you're arguing against. However, if someone states you're using a Strawman Argument, you're automatically wrong.
 
2013-01-10 07:06:28 PM  
Typical list of common fallacies.

One of my favorite terms that I don't see used often is "fractal wrongness" where in a person is not only wrong in the big picture, but wrong on every level of detail.

board.freedomainradio.com
 
2013-01-10 07:07:40 PM  

whistleridge: Pud: So, have you finally stopped beating your wife, or are you still in denial of it?

Why do you keep talking about such meaningless topics when children are starving to death in Burma? Do you hate the Burmese, or do you just hate children? WHY DO YOU HATE CHILDREN?


imgs.xkcd.com
/DFTFA
//No idea whats going on... Where am I?
 
2013-01-10 07:17:23 PM  

wildcardjack: Typical list of common fallacies.

One of my favorite terms that I don't see used often is "fractal wrongness" where in a person is not only wrong in the big picture, but wrong on every level of detail.

[board.freedomainradio.com image 550x580]


Love it
 
2013-01-10 07:25:32 PM  
Argumentum ad comae avis est.
 
2013-01-10 07:33:06 PM  

wildcardjack: Typical list of common fallacies.

One of my favorite terms that I don't see used often is "fractal wrongness" where in a person is not only wrong in the big picture, but wrong on every level of detail.

[board.freedomainradio.com image 550x580]


Slightly OT, but I hope he runs for President again in 2016. I find the 'herp & 'derp entertaining....
 
2013-01-10 07:49:04 PM  

Hydra: The teapot is on the Earth, which is orbiting the Sun. Therefore, the teapot is orbiting the Sun by proxy. QED.

/DNRTFA


According to the argument the tea pot is supposed to be orbiting between earth and mars though.
 
2013-01-10 07:49:21 PM  
Russell's teapot not Bertrand's.
 
2013-01-10 08:06:41 PM  

TheOther: Hydra: The teapot is on the Earth, which is orbiting the Sun. Therefore, the teapot is orbiting the Sun by proxy. QED.

/DNRTFA

ALL teapots are on Earth, therefore NO teapots are not orbiting the sun.

Hypothetical alien teapots are nothing but strawpots to distract from the truth.


There is at least one formerly human-occupied object in an independent heliocentric orbit: the Apollo 10 lunar module ascent stage "Snoopy". I don't know if it was standard procedure to leave trash in that module before jettisoning it, but if so there may be some empty drink containers in there.
 
2013-01-10 08:08:22 PM  
ya know, i wonder if nasa has launched a teapot satellite so that it could take a stable orbit around the sun
 
2013-01-10 08:12:07 PM  

Plant Rights Activist: Russell's teapot not Bertrand's.


I'm only familiar with the Newell teapot
 
2013-01-10 08:21:19 PM  

xria: "Circular reasoning" is a better name for "begging the question" because circular reasoning is a better name.


But I thought they weren't exactly the same. What you did is circular reasoning. Wouldn't begging the question be more like this? "Since 'circular reasoning' is a better name than begging the question, we should all switch to that." It assumes the antecedent that circular reasoning IS a better name and builds its argument off that. Begging the question is related to circular reasoning, and both may be occurring at the same time in some instances, but I'm pretty sure they aren't exactly the same .

/welcome to correction if my understanding is wrong
 
rpm
2013-01-10 08:22:14 PM  

Pud: So, have you finally stopped beating your wife, or are you still in denial of it?


Mu
 
2013-01-10 08:46:42 PM  

loonatic112358: Plant Rights Activist: Russell's teapot not Bertrand's.

I'm only familiar with the Newell teapot


Is that related to Wittgenstein's hash pipe?
 
2013-01-10 08:53:40 PM  

mamoru: xria: "Circular reasoning" is a better name for "begging the question" because circular reasoning is a better name.

But I thought they weren't exactly the same. What you did is circular reasoning. Wouldn't begging the question be more like this? "Since 'circular reasoning' is a better name than begging the question, we should all switch to that." It assumes the antecedent that circular reasoning IS a better name and builds its argument off that. Begging the question is related to circular reasoning, and both may be occurring at the same time in some instances, but I'm pretty sure they aren't exactly the same .

/welcome to correction if my understanding is wrong


I just find referring to a fallacy as "begging the question" devolves into a discussion about the name of the fallacy because so many people misuse it for the other meaning, thus derailing any actual discussion.
 
2013-01-10 09:03:08 PM  
Can you properly brew tea in zero-G, or is gravity required?
 
2013-01-10 09:09:20 PM  

TheOther: Hydra: The teapot is on the Earth, which is orbiting the Sun. Therefore, the teapot is orbiting the Sun by proxy. QED.

/DNRTFA

ALL teapots are on Earth, therefore NO teapots are not orbiting the sun.

Hypothetical alien teapots are nothing but strawpots to distract from the truth.


All teapots are on Earth, therefore ALL teapots are orbiting the Sun.
 
2013-01-10 09:20:01 PM  

Kaenneth: Can you properly brew tea in zero-G, or is gravity required?


I think it'd work fine. The main mechanism is diffusion. The water acts as a solvent and breaks down the tea then it diffuses until the respective concentrations are balanced.

Drip coffee is obviously no-go, but espresso might work, steam pressure and all that. Hell, you might be able to have it shoot out of the espresso maker, cool in transit, and land in you mouth.
 
2013-01-10 09:33:43 PM  

lokisbong: According to the argument the tea pot is supposed to be orbiting between earth and mars though.


Dear President Obama...
 
2013-01-10 09:52:01 PM  

fredklein:
The slippery slope fallacy is not a fallacy if you can show how you got from A to Z. It's also not a slippery slope fallacy to say "Completing Step A (a small matter, like registering all guns) makes Step Z (a large matter, like confiscating all guns) a LOT easier to complete, so we're gonna be safe and not do Step A at all".


The example is particularly egregious because in some ways it is a reasonable extrapolation.

If marriage is not defined as a union between a man and a woman (which is a stupid idea to begin with) than logically we should expand it to any two consenting adults, and likely beyond limiting it to only two people.
 
2013-01-10 09:57:11 PM  
You know WHO ELSE used logical fallacies?
 
2013-01-10 09:58:52 PM  
I'd like to have that UFO teapot, but ironically, I don't have the space.
 
2013-01-10 10:08:04 PM  
They missed No True Scotsman.

No true teapot would be found not orbiting the sun.
 
2013-01-10 10:11:11 PM  

xria: "Circular reasoning" is a better name for "begging the question" because circular reasoning is a better name.


So that begs the question: Does raising the question about begging the question actually raise the question about whether it's begging it?
 
2013-01-10 10:20:50 PM  

LordOfThePings: [i.techrepublic.com.com image 620x465]


csb:
Once upon a time I worked as a tech lead in what became the PSS division of Microsoft. A customer called me asking why the teapot kept showing up in that screen saver. I spent 3 weeks tracking down the sonofabiatch programmer that put it there. Turns out there was a bug in the math that would cause a memory leak if the pipes weren't adjusted a couple pixles off every so often, so that explained the damned teapot. I was thrilled! I called the customer back and explained it. The response was "ok, so why a teapot?". After 3 weeks of research on this silly issue, I was in no mood. First and last time I ever cursed at a customer.
/csb
 
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