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(Politico)   "The gun lobby also says people need to be able to protect their property. But every mass shooting is done by guys who live with their mother. So I believe you should need to have a mortgage to buy a gun"   (politico.com) divider line 130
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2013-01-10 03:33:29 PM  
i970.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-10 03:47:14 PM  
When you're down to writing about the not-even-slightly-serious filler bits of a stand-up comedian, maybe it's time to accept that everything that's been said about an issue has been said, thrice, and wait until something new actually happens relevant to the issue?

Like, say, how about we don't hear about this anymore until another bill is proposed, and by proposed I mean actually put up for consideration by a national house of congress, not mentioned offhand as a potential issue over a congressman's third lunch martini.
 
2013-01-10 03:47:47 PM  
fark you, renter.
 
2013-01-10 03:47:47 PM  
But now we have the right to be able to protect ourselves anywhere so a nogo on a mortgage restriction.
 
2013-01-10 03:49:14 PM  
Oh, you paid off your mortgage? Turn in your guns.
 
2013-01-10 03:49:36 PM  
Sounds good. Let's play these games with other civil rights too.
 
2013-01-10 03:50:44 PM  

Jim_Callahan: When you're down to writing about the not-even-slightly-serious filler bits of a stand-up comedian, maybe it's time to accept that everything that's been said about an issue has been said, thrice, and wait until something new actually happens relevant to the issue?

Like, say, how about we don't hear about this anymore until another bill is proposed, and by proposed I mean actually put up for consideration by a national house of congress, not mentioned offhand as a potential issue over a congressman's third lunch martini.


So are you saying that this is not the time to be discussing gun control? Because i have heard that before...
 
2013-01-10 03:51:33 PM  
No Guns for Poor People: Now that is something the GOP can endorse!!!
 
2013-01-10 03:52:14 PM  
And how exactly would this have stopped the Sandy Hook shootings?
 
2013-01-10 03:52:39 PM  
Headline: The gun lobby also says people need to be able to protect their property. So I believe you should need a gun to buy a house

FTFY
 
2013-01-10 03:52:49 PM  
How about if it's only for white males as well?
 
2013-01-10 03:53:59 PM  
What happens if your Mom is a midget porn start that rents?
 
2013-01-10 03:54:15 PM  

Frozboz: And how exactly would this have stopped the Sandy Hook shootings?


It would allow the government to punish people who don't believe what I believe, and that's good enough.
 
2013-01-10 03:54:56 PM  

for good or for awesome: How about if it's only for white males as well?


Can you buy 3/5ths of a gun?  Would that just be like a revolver with a couple chambers blanked out?
 
2013-01-10 03:55:19 PM  

Saborlas: [i970.photobucket.com image 179x281]


Frickin' saved.
 
2013-01-10 03:55:33 PM  
Well, except for Virginia Tech, Chris, just to name one.
 
2013-01-10 03:55:48 PM  

LucklessWonder: So are you saying that this is not the time to be discussing gun control? Because i have heard that before...


My point is that we aren't, anymore. That was an entire damned article about a comedian making a one-liner, which is in no way a serious suggestion, just because it happened to be mildly topical. It wasn't even really a joke about gun control as such, it was a reference to the old "only white male landowners can vote" shtick that's served as the basis for some of his sillier bits in the past.
 
2013-01-10 03:56:25 PM  

tricycleracer: Can you buy 3/5ths of a gun?  Would that just be like a revolver with a couple chambers blanked out?


I like the sound of that. Now we just need to determine which 2 are the assault chambers.
 
2013-01-10 03:56:34 PM  
ok that stupid
 
2013-01-10 03:56:34 PM  

Frozboz: And how exactly would this have stopped the Sandy Hook shootings?


A mortgage requires a true background check (for the mother of the Sandy Hook killer in this case).
 
2013-01-10 03:57:39 PM  
We need more gun threads today.
 
2013-01-10 03:58:30 PM  

Jim_Callahan: it was a reference to the old "only white male landowners can vote" shtick that's served as the basis for some of his sillier bits in the past


Yep. It's funny we don't hear more about the racial makeup of the areas that had the strictest (and now ruled unconstitutional) gun control.

But hey, systematically denying the civil rights of racial minorities is okay as long as it's a civil right I don't agree with.
 
2013-01-10 03:58:42 PM  
Can you farkers post some pics of your guns? Just looking for some fun buying ideas when the dust settles on all this pandemonium and firearm prices plummet.
 
2013-01-10 03:59:30 PM  
i49.tinypic.com.
 
2013-01-10 03:59:39 PM  
The solution is more guns so actually we should make the government hand out guns and grenades to everyone. We should also encourage everyone to hate and distrust each other and shoot first and ask questions later. Your neighbor is your enemy; you must fear him.
 
2013-01-10 03:59:45 PM  

Doom MD: Can you farkers post some pics of your guns? Just looking for some fun buying ideas when the dust settles on all this pandemonium and firearm prices plummet.


Good luck! By the time gun prices go down we'll have flying cars.
 
2013-01-10 04:00:32 PM  
Based on the comments to TFA, and in this thread, there's a rather interesting correlation between lacking a sense of humor and fetishizing guns.
 
2013-01-10 04:00:52 PM  
I have a pistol I was thinking of selling. I suppose now's the time to do it
 
2013-01-10 04:01:39 PM  

Carn: The solution is more guns so actually we should make the government hand out guns and grenades to everyone. We should also encourage everyone to hate and distrust each other and shoot first and ask questions later.


You're overlooking the fact that handing someone a gun magically makes them a violent maniac. Firearms have mystical powers.
 
2013-01-10 04:01:48 PM  
Perhaps only rich white landowners should own guns?
 
2013-01-10 04:03:23 PM  
so, redlining gun ownership then?  the left would have a field day with that.
 
2013-01-10 04:03:23 PM  

mrshowrules: Frozboz: And how exactly would this have stopped the Sandy Hook shootings?

A mortgage requires a true background check (for the mother of the Sandy Hook killer in this case).


Does "prepper" show up somewhere in the check? I'm all for increased restrictions and regulations, but when someone commits a crime with another's weaponry (as in this case), what would a true background check of the legal purchaser reveal to help prevent a tragedy like this?
 
2013-01-10 04:03:30 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Based on the comments to TFA, and in this thread, there's a rather interesting correlation between lacking a sense of humor and fetishizing guns.


Or at least between gun ownership and really bad hemorrhoids.
 
2013-01-10 04:03:49 PM  

paygun: Carn: The solution is more guns so actually we should make the government hand out guns and grenades to everyone. We should also encourage everyone to hate and distrust each other and shoot first and ask questions later.

You're overlooking the fact that handing someone a gun magically makes them a violent maniac. Firearms have mystical powers.


So my idea is ok then because the violent maniacs were already violent maniacs and it doesn't matter if they're violent maniacs with guns or not. I'm sticking to it and I'm adding rocket launchers, nerve toxin, and anti-personnel mines.
 
2013-01-10 04:03:55 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Perhaps only rich white landowners should own guns?


It's just as the founding fathers intended.
 
2013-01-10 04:05:24 PM  

Frozboz: And how exactly would this have stopped the Sandy Hook shootings?


None of the solutions that will eventually be implemented will prevent another tragedy, but they'll have gotten their stab at gun owners in, which is all they want. In that respect, Sandy Hook was a good thing for them.
 
2013-01-10 04:05:44 PM  

Carn: So my idea is ok then because the violent maniacs were already violent maniacs and it doesn't matter if they're violent maniacs with guns or not. I'm sticking to it and I'm adding rocket launchers, nerve toxin, and anti-personnel mines.


Well, I take a pro-choice approach to gun ownership. I know there are lots of abstinence-only people out there but what can you do.
 
2013-01-10 04:05:46 PM  

paygun: Doom MD: Can you farkers post some pics of your guns? Just looking for some fun buying ideas when the dust settles on all this pandemonium and firearm prices plummet.

Good luck! By the time gun prices go down we'll have flying cars.


It won't last that long.
With all the new money being dumped on the industry, and political support being essential to its future survival, I doubt an AWB has a chance in hell of sticking past the next election cycle.

/I'd give it a few months till the panic wears off and inventory returns to normal.
 
2013-01-10 04:08:00 PM  

paygun: Carn: So my idea is ok then because the violent maniacs were already violent maniacs and it doesn't matter if they're violent maniacs with guns or not. I'm sticking to it and I'm adding rocket launchers, nerve toxin, and anti-personnel mines.

Well, I take a pro-choice approach to gun ownership. I know there are lots of abstinence-only people out there but what can you do.


Once again, the worst enemy of vocal gun advocates is vocal gun advocates.
 
2013-01-10 04:09:06 PM  

way south: I'd give it a few months till the panic wears off and inventory returns to normal.


I think it will come down to whether or not they decide to do something like an executive order that they know will never fly (like an outright ban) but will score points with the prohibitionists, or if it's just more of the usual like import bans. Whichever one fuels more panic buying, we'll see.
 
2013-01-10 04:09:12 PM  
Sounds reasonable.
How about we change the voting standards to something just as reasonable: Male, white, property-owner, and over 25.

It's what the Founders wanted.


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2013-01-10 04:09:31 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Perhaps only rich white landowners should own guns?


Isn't that kind of the intent behind the sort of gun control in cities like New York, Washington DC, and Chicago? To keep guns out of the hands of poor minorities?
 
2013-01-10 04:10:54 PM  

CPennypacker: ok that stupid


I think it is very smart.  The analogy is satire but the point is simple in brilliant.

Require a true background check (like a mortgage) versus checking a mental health database that no one uses before giving a gun.  It is what I've been saying all along in may threads.

Let's say a bank had to give you a mortgage unless you were in database where another had decided to go on record as you being a deadbeat.   That would be stupid.

A real mortgage requires the banker to take exercise due diligence (background check and verify what the mortgage is for)  and accept a certain amount of risk before giving you a mortgage.

A gun retailer accepts no risk but profits from selling a gun to what looks like Charles Manson who doesn't even tell you what he will use it for.   As long as he follows the lame background check process, he is completely protected from liability.

I would change the law so a gun retailer has to exercise due diligence in selling a weapon (over and above required processes) to ensure that a weapon sold to a customer will be used safely and in a lawful way.

Let the civil courts determine what "due diligence" when they are sued for selling a gun used in a shooting spree. Let the retailer sell based on this risk and buy liability insurance to cover their ass.  Let the liability insurance tell retailers what they need to do to keep their premiums low as a operational expenses.  I lot less nut-jobs will be getting firearms.  That is the law I would pass if I could.
 
2013-01-10 04:10:54 PM  

dittybopper: Isn't that kind of the intent behind the sort of gun control in cities like New York, Washington DC, and Chicago? To keep guns out of the hands of poor minorities?


Yeah but that's not one of the good civil rights so who cares.
 
2013-01-10 04:11:09 PM  
Every racist, sister-farker in Alabama and Mississippi just shouted 'Amen!'
 
2013-01-10 04:11:10 PM  

Citrate1007: No Guns for Poor People: Now that is something the GOP can endorse!!!


Bah, that's one of the most farked up platforms of the Democratic party, actually. Live in an urban shiathole? No gun for you. No connections or cronies or cash to get you your special dispensation? No gun for you. Can't afford a personal bodyguard? Call the cops and wait until morning to arrive because no way will they come to your neighborhood at night except in force, peasant.
 
2013-01-10 04:13:09 PM  

mrshowrules: A gun retailer accepts no risk but profits from selling a gun to what looks like Charles Manson who doesn't even tell you what he will use it for.   As long as he follows the lame background check process, he is completely protected from liability.

I would change the law so a gun retailer has to exercise due diligence in selling a weapon (over and above required processes) to ensure that a weapon sold to a customer will be used safely and in a lawful way.

Let the civil courts determine what "due diligence" when they are sued for selling a gun used in a shooting spree. Let the retailer sell based on this risk and buy liability insurance to cover their ass.  Let the liability insurance tell retailers what they need to do to keep their premiums low as a operational expenses.  I lot less nut-jobs will be getting firearms.  That is the law I would pass if I could.


But let's not do the same for a car lot that sells a car to someone who drives drunk. Right? What about the liquor store?
 
2013-01-10 04:13:32 PM  

give me doughnuts: Sounds reasonable.
How about we change the voting standards to something just as reasonable: Male, white, property-owner, and over 25.

It's what the Founders wanted.


[cryingeagle.jpg]


*reads thread*

Hmm....slightly redundant.

How about a post that points out many of the early gun-control laws were to keep Afirican-Americans unarmed?

Has that been done?
 
2013-01-10 04:14:24 PM  
We should begin arming children in kindergarten!
 
2013-01-10 04:14:45 PM  

paygun: mrshowrules: A gun retailer accepts no risk but profits from selling a gun to what looks like Charles Manson who doesn't even tell you what he will use it for.   As long as he follows the lame background check process, he is completely protected from liability.

I would change the law so a gun retailer has to exercise due diligence in selling a weapon (over and above required processes) to ensure that a weapon sold to a customer will be used safely and in a lawful way.

Let the civil courts determine what "due diligence" when they are sued for selling a gun used in a shooting spree. Let the retailer sell based on this risk and buy liability insurance to cover their ass.  Let the liability insurance tell retailers what they need to do to keep their premiums low as a operational expenses.  I lot less nut-jobs will be getting firearms.  That is the law I would pass if I could.

But let's not do the same for a car lot that sells a car to someone who drives drunk. Right? What about the liquor store?


Is the person drunk when they are buying the car? I'm ok with not selling cars to someone who is drunk.
 
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