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2013-01-10 11:53:49 AM
BOOM head shot .gif, etc
 
2013-01-10 11:55:10 AM
Chicago's search for a new guitarist continues.
 
2013-01-10 11:55:42 AM
They call that Russian Solitaire.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-01-10 11:55:44 AM
Is this what the NRA means when they say it would be safer for EVERYONE to have a gun?

The biggest idiots and most careless will simply shoot themselves?
 
2013-01-10 11:56:16 AM
FTA:
Witness told officers that Shaw, his uncle, grandparents and some friends were on the back patio talking when he showed them a .38-caliber revolver, police said.

Shaw told them that he kept one round out of the firing chamber to prevent an accidental shooting, according to police.


Somebody forgot (or didn't know) that revolvers advance to the next chamber before firing.
 
2013-01-10 11:56:17 AM
Revolvers do not work that way. When you pull the trigger with an empty chamber, the cylinder rotates and brings a round into firing position!
 
2013-01-10 11:57:24 AM

The Only Sane Man In Florida: Revolvers do not work that way. When you pull the trigger with an empty chamber, the cylinder rotates and brings a round into firing position!


NOW you tell m-*BLAM!!*
 
2013-01-10 11:57:28 AM
Still, you have to wonder what was going through his mind.

/oblig
 
2013-01-10 11:58:22 AM

Kibbler: Chicago's search for a new guitarist continues.

 
2013-01-10 11:58:26 AM
Same thing would've happened if he put a hammer up to his head.
 
2013-01-10 11:58:30 AM

d23: Is this what the NRA means when they say it would be safer for EVERYONE to have a gun?

The biggest idiots and most careless will simply shoot themselves?


.
Well it would eliminate the progressive wing of the Democratic Party pretty quick.
 
2013-01-10 11:58:35 AM

The Only Sane Man In Florida: Revolvers do not work that way. When you pull the trigger with an empty chamber, the cylinder rotates and brings a round into firing position!


1 second! Suck it!

/Hi from Clearwater
 
2013-01-10 11:58:36 AM
Like Father, Like Son.
/Apple, Tree etc.
 
2013-01-10 11:58:43 AM
From the comments i'm going to guess Subby's name is Steven.

Anyway, how hard is it to not shoot yourself? Seems to happen an awful lot. People don't prove that knives aren't sharp by stabbing themselves. Actually scratch that, they do run their finger along the blade then go "ow". So I guess there's no hope for common humanity. As a group we're simply terrible.
 
2013-01-10 11:59:02 AM
Both dad and son killed by guns.
Smith&Wesson really have it out for this family. That, or Darwin sacrificed creativity for eliminating that particular genetic line quickly.

/whaddya want to bet junior got the gun for "self protection" as a result of the father's death?
 
2013-01-10 11:59:37 AM

david_gaithersburg: d23: Is this what the NRA means when they say it would be safer for EVERYONE to have a gun?

The biggest idiots and most careless will simply shoot themselves?

.
Well it would eliminate the progressive wing of the Democratic Party pretty quick.


LOL
 
2013-01-10 11:59:50 AM
So can we at least agree that some level of mandatory training should be required for people that wish to own guns?
 
2013-01-10 12:00:08 PM
I think we should encourage all gun nuts to prove just how safe their guns are.
 
2013-01-10 12:00:41 PM

PirateKing: They call that Russian Solitaire.


even funnier since he is from St Petersburg
 
2013-01-10 12:01:26 PM
Maybe he was looking for chads. Are we sure if he's dead or not?
 
2013-01-10 12:01:29 PM

HotWingConspiracy: So can we at least agree that some level of mandatory training should be required for people that wish to own guns?


The first thing that I thought was "The system works"
 
2013-01-10 12:01:43 PM
Gun Control means hitting your target.

Bravo.
 
2013-01-10 12:02:05 PM
i1136.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-10 12:02:08 PM
i49.tinypic.com
 
2013-01-10 12:02:31 PM
Double-action satisfaction
 
2013-01-10 12:02:56 PM
OMG....let's just go over this one.more.time.... Learned it in Basic Training......

DO NOT EVER POINT A WEAPON, LOADED OR UNLOADED (cause you never know) AT ANYTHING YOU DON'T INTEND TO KILL.
/ done
 
2013-01-10 12:03:14 PM

The Only Sane Man In Florida: Revolvers do not work that way. When you pull the trigger with an empty chamber, the cylinder rotates and brings a round into firing position!


Really? So, I guess you could say it revolves in a circle to bring the next bullet into position. Hmm, you'd think they'd make that a bit more clear. Maybe they should rename it to something like "circle firing thingy" or "revolv..." hmm, never mind. As a point of fact, you should always assume a gun is loaded even when you know it isn't. I don't mean to be harsh, but this guy was a numb-nuts.
 
2013-01-10 12:03:22 PM
"...he showed them a .38-caliber revolver..."

I guess he forgot about the "revolver" part?
 
2013-01-10 12:03:27 PM
Revolver huh? Bet his brains were here, there, and everywhere.
 
2013-01-10 12:03:40 PM

HotWingConspiracy: So can we at least agree that some level of mandatory training should be required for people that wish to own guns?


I think hunter's safety should be mandatory for all junior high students. I'm from Montana, so pretty much everyone takes it then anyhow. But yeah rule #1 always treat a gun like it's loaded, #2 never point the barrel at anything you don't want to shoot.
 
2013-01-10 12:04:02 PM

H31N0US: "...he showed them a .38-caliber revolver..."

I guess he forgot about the "revolver" part?


I thought they just named the gun after the Beatles album.
 
2013-01-10 12:04:44 PM
No Florida tag?

Then again, we should have a Darwin tag.
 
2013-01-10 12:05:02 PM

HotWingConspiracy: So can we at least agree that some level of mandatory training should be required for people that wish to own guns?


Who says he had it legally?

Often in cases like this, cops and press decide that the situation is bad enough, and they let details like the legality of the weapon to slide.
 
2013-01-10 12:05:21 PM

Pincy: I think we should encourage all gun nuts to prove just how safe their guns are.


I do, every day for the last 20+ years. Never shot anyone including myself nor ever had a negligent discharge.
 
2013-01-10 12:05:35 PM
Good shot, man.
 
2013-01-10 12:06:08 PM

lordjupiter: Same thing would've happened if he put a hammer up to his head.


technically he did... there was just a bullet and a barrel in between them.

/window seat please
 
2013-01-10 12:06:28 PM

The Only Sane Man In Florida: Revolvers do not work that way. When you pull the trigger with an empty chamber, the cylinder rotates and brings a round into firing position!


Right, this guy must have picked up this concept from an old western or some other show describing the old Colts in which it was routine to leave one chamber open so that the hammer wasn't resting on a live round for safety.  This shouldn't be necessary with any modern revolver if I'm not mistaken.  They have mechanisms in place to help prevent accidental firing of the gun.
 
2013-01-10 12:07:43 PM

GranoblasticMan: Still, you have to wonder what was going through his mind.

/oblig


Hot, hot lead.
 
2013-01-10 12:08:56 PM

LessO2: No Florida tag?

Then again, we should have a Darwin tag.


THIS
 
2013-01-10 12:09:02 PM

Tanthalas39: Good shot, man.


Link
 
2013-01-10 12:10:23 PM

brimed03: Both dad and son killed by guns.
Smith&Wesson really have it out for this family. That, or Darwin sacrificed creativity for eliminating that particular genetic line quickly.

/whaddya want to bet junior got the gun for "self protection" as a result of the father's death?

Alexander Shaw's father, Richard Shaw, was shot to death June 18 in a home invasion robbery at 7014 Orpine Drive N., police said. A co-defendant, Charles C. Stone, 28, was charged on Aug. 10.


Hmmm, that makes me think that the father was a codefendant but a little googling shows he was the victim. 8 days after his wife died of cancer. And now 6 months later the son is dead.

This is clearly a conspiracy performed by the travel industry in order to force people to travel to funerals!
 
2013-01-10 12:11:06 PM

Solid State Vittles: Revolver huh? Bet his brains were here, there, and everywhere.


Beautiful!
 
2013-01-10 12:11:10 PM

GranoblasticMan: FTA:
Witness told officers that Shaw, his uncle, grandparents and some friends were on the back patio talking when he showed them a .38-caliber revolver, police said.

Shaw told them that he kept one round out of the firing chamber to prevent an accidental shooting, according to police.

Somebody forgot (or didn't know) that revolvers advance to the next chamber before firing.


Yup. Fundamentals...
 
2013-01-10 12:11:38 PM

damndirtyape: Pincy: I think we should encourage all gun nuts to prove just how safe their guns are.

I do, every day for the last 20+ years. Never shot anyone including myself nor ever had a negligent discharge.


Really, you point a gun at your head and pull the trigger every day for the last 20+ years?
 
2013-01-10 12:13:17 PM

david_gaithersburg: d23: Is this what the NRA means when they say it would be safer for EVERYONE to have a gun?

The biggest idiots and most careless will simply shoot themselves?

.
Well it would eliminate the progressive wing of the Democratic Party pretty quick.


Thx for living up to the high standards of the Florida tag.
 
2013-01-10 12:13:33 PM

KeithLM: The Only Sane Man In Florida: Revolvers do not work that way. When you pull the trigger with an empty chamber, the cylinder rotates and brings a round into firing position!

Right, this guy must have picked up this concept from an old western or some other show describing the old Colts in which it was routine to leave one chamber open so that the hammer wasn't resting on a live round for safety.  This shouldn't be necessary with any modern revolver if I'm not mistaken.  They have mechanisms in place to help prevent accidental firing of the gun.


You mean like not putting it to your head and pulling the trigger.
 
2013-01-10 12:13:52 PM

Pincy: I think we should encourage all gun nuts to prove just how safe their guns are.



All of my guns are safe and as mellow as a baby kitten. Unless they get pissed off. Then they break out of their gun safe and start firing rounds indiscriminately . I REALLY have to walk on eggshells around Mr. SKS, being a crazy Russian and all.
 
2013-01-10 12:14:33 PM
Shaw told them that he kept one round out of the firing chamber to prevent an accidental shooting, according to police.

Witnesses then said Shaw tried to prove the gun was safe by placing it to his head and pulling the trigger, which is when the gun fired, fatally wounding him, police said.



i137.photobucket.com
Revolvers do not work that way!
 
2013-01-10 12:14:50 PM
"If you see brass, then that's your ass"
 
2013-01-10 12:15:19 PM

Slaxl: From the comments i'm going to guess Subby's name is Steven.

Anyway, how hard is it to not shoot yourself? Seems to happen an awful lot. People don't prove that knives aren't sharp by stabbing themselves. Actually scratch that, they do run their finger along the blade then go "ow". So I guess there's no hope for common humanity. As a group we're simply terrible.


Sometimes you just can't help yourself.

img837.imageshack.us

Fine swords, impressive decorations....
OW! Sharp, too.
 
2013-01-10 12:16:19 PM
Question: How safe is it to put a gun to your head and pull the trigger.
Answer: Not very

Sounds like he made his point.
 
2013-01-10 12:16:31 PM
The cylinder on mine rotates counter clockwise while pointing the business end away from my head.

This fellow clearly needed to do more research.

/goes to the range twice a year to practice safe handling as much as much as I do to practice accurate shooting.
 
2013-01-10 12:16:46 PM

GranoblasticMan: FTA:
Witness told officers that Shaw, his uncle, grandparents and some friends were on the back patio talking when he showed them a .38-caliber revolver, police said.

Shaw told them that he kept one round out of the firing chamber to prevent an accidental shooting, according to police.

Somebody forgot (or didn't know) that revolvers advance to the next chamber before firing.


As demonstrated in the last big gun control thread, I don't know much about guns, but I knew that.

/Also know to treat every gun as loaded and ready to fire
//Only point it at the ground or something you want to kill

Solid State Vittles: Revolver huh? Bet his brains were here, there, and everywhere.

Nice.

 
2013-01-10 12:16:59 PM

KidneyStone: brimed03: Both dad and son killed by guns.
Smith&Wesson really have it out for this family. That, or Darwin sacrificed creativity for eliminating that particular genetic line quickly.

/whaddya want to bet junior got the gun for "self protection" as a result of the father's death?

Alexander Shaw's father, Richard Shaw, was shot to death June 18 in a home invasion robbery at 7014 Orpine Drive N., police said. A co-defendant, Charles C. Stone, 28, was charged on Aug. 10.

Hmmm, that makes me think that the father was a codefendant but a little googling shows he was the victim. 8 days after his wife died of cancer. And now 6 months later the son is dead.

This is clearly a conspiracy performed by the travel industry in order to force people to travel to funerals!


i thought it might be a cover-up of a suicide. lost both parents in pretty traumatic ways. and lives in florida...
 
2013-01-10 12:17:00 PM
Really? I'm the Weeners this?

www.jonathanrosenbaum.com

/Fark, I am dissapoint.
 
Bf+
2013-01-10 12:17:30 PM

Carn: david_gaithersburg: d23: Is this what the NRA means when they say it would be safer for EVERYONE to have a gun?

The biggest idiots and most careless will simply shoot themselves?

.
Well it would eliminate the progressive wing of the Democratic Party pretty quick.

LOL



Ah, another fine example of Republican humor.
Care to explain the joke and how, exactly, you considered it funny?
 
2013-01-10 12:17:54 PM

Smoky Dragon Dish: Really? I'm the Weeners this?

[www.jonathanrosenbaum.com image 462x352]

/Fark, I am dissapoint.


WTF, this doesn't deserve a weiner!
 
2013-01-10 12:18:59 PM

Pincy: damndirtyape: Pincy: I think we should encourage all gun nuts to prove just how safe their guns are.

I do, every day for the last 20+ years. Never shot anyone including myself nor ever had a negligent discharge.

Really, you point a gun at your head and pull the trigger every day for the last 20+ years?


Clearly not.
 
2013-01-10 12:19:44 PM
It's ridiculous just how often this scenario happens.  I read in an article only a couple of years ago how a guy shot himself in the head while showing his girlfriend how safe the weapon was.

To be that stupid.  If someone I loved died this way, I'd go to their funeral in mourning and in anger.  I'd be saddened by the loss, but very angry at them for being so farking stupid.
 
2013-01-10 12:20:14 PM

Bf+: Carn: david_gaithersburg: d23: Is this what the NRA means when they say it would be safer for EVERYONE to have a gun?

The biggest idiots and most careless will simply shoot themselves?

.
Well it would eliminate the progressive wing of the Democratic Party pretty quick.

LOL


Ah, another fine example of Republican humor.
Care to explain the joke and how, exactly, you considered it funny?


.
Please allow me to buy you an "assault weapon". We'll limit the magazine to one bullet.
 
2013-01-10 12:21:09 PM

Bf+: Carn: david_gaithersburg: d23: Is this what the NRA means when they say it would be safer for EVERYONE to have a gun?

The biggest idiots and most careless will simply shoot themselves?

.
Well it would eliminate the progressive wing of the Democratic Party pretty quick.

LOL


Ah, another fine example of Republican humor.
Care to explain the joke and how, exactly, you considered it funny?


It's like in high school when some dumbass would crack an unfunny joke and the only person who laughed was his dumbass only friend...and the rest of the class looked on in bemusement while the hot girls snickered at each other.
 
2013-01-10 12:21:15 PM
Absolutely classic.
There must be an entire section of Hell populated exclusively by guys who did this.
 
2013-01-10 12:21:54 PM

Bf+: Carn: david_gaithersburg: d23: Is this what the NRA means when they say it would be safer for EVERYONE to have a gun?

The biggest idiots and most careless will simply shoot themselves?

.
Well it would eliminate the progressive wing of the Democratic Party pretty quick.

LOL


Ah, another fine example of Republican humor.
Care to explain the joke and how, exactly, you considered it funny?


I was actually mocking his Republican humor. Guess I forgot the strikethrough. "libs dumb me so smrt! hahaha"
 
2013-01-10 12:22:39 PM

Cythraul: It's ridiculous just how often this scenario happens.  I read in an article only a couple of years ago how a guy shot himself in the head while showing his girlfriend how safe the weapon was.

To be that stupid.  If someone I loved died this way, I'd go to their funeral in mourning and in anger.  I'd be saddened by the loss, but very angry at them for being so farking stupid.


In nature, stupid is self-correcting. Since we are civilized we do our best to keep stupid alive and well.
 
2013-01-10 12:22:58 PM
This is clearly one of the stupidest things anyone could do.

At least once a week there is some news story about some idiot showing off how well they trust that their gun is not loaded, only to find themselves dead an instant later.

When will people realize that guns are not toys? They are also always (let me repeat) ALWAYS loaded!!
 
2013-01-10 12:24:04 PM
Sigh.

i.ytimg.com
 
2013-01-10 12:24:33 PM

Smoky Dragon Dish: Really? I'm the Weeners this?

[www.jonathanrosenbaum.com image 462x352]

/Fark, I am dissapoint.


Yes, you are the Weeners this.

/weeners
 
2013-01-10 12:25:09 PM
#6:
cdn.motinetwork.net
 
2013-01-10 12:25:25 PM

Bf+: Carn: david_gaithersburg: d23: Is this what the NRA means when they say it would be safer for EVERYONE to have a gun?

The biggest idiots and most careless will simply shoot themselves?
.
Well it would eliminate the progressive wing of the Democratic Party pretty quick.

LOL

Ah, another fine example of Republican humor.
Care to explain the joke and how, exactly, you considered it funny?


Oh thank goodness I thought it was only me. I was sitting at my desk puzzling over it like a zen koan. "But... But the Mainstream MSM media told me that all Democrats hate guns! How would they find one and point it at their own heads? And what's a progressive Democrat? Is that one that's more Democraty or less? I'm so confused!"
 
2013-01-10 12:25:28 PM
Read the last line in TFA.

Mama has to be beside herself.
 
2013-01-10 12:26:13 PM

durbnpoisn: This is clearly one of the stupidest things anyone could do.

At least once a week there is some news story about some idiot showing off how well they trust that their gun is not loaded, only to find themselves dead an instant later.

When will people realize that guns are not toys? They are also always (let me repeat) ALWAYS loaded!!


When a lot of idiots stop with the "guns are just a tool" nonsense. Can we go back to everyone being advocates for gun safety? It's a weapon, know and respect that, and learn safe handling.
 
2013-01-10 12:26:26 PM

H31N0US: Bf+: Carn: david_gaithersburg: d23: Is this what the NRA means when they say it would be safer for EVERYONE to have a gun?

The biggest idiots and most careless will simply shoot themselves?

.
Well it would eliminate the progressive wing of the Democratic Party pretty quick.

LOL


Ah, another fine example of Republican humor.
Care to explain the joke and how, exactly, you considered it funny?

It's like in high school when some dumbass would crack an unfunny joke and the only person who laughed was his dumbass only friend...and the rest of the class looked on in bemusement while the hot girls snickered at each other.


Republican "humor"

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-10 12:26:32 PM

d23: Is this what the NRA means when they say it would be safer for EVERYONE to have a gun?

The biggest idiots and most careless will simply shoot themselves?


The NRA may thereby have a point. A full metal jacketed point.
 
2013-01-10 12:26:36 PM

david_gaithersburg: d23: Is this what the NRA means when they say it would be safer for EVERYONE to have a gun?

The biggest idiots and most careless will simply shoot themselves?

.
Well it would eliminate the progressive wing of the Democratic Party pretty quick.


(loud, obnoxious retard laugh)
 
2013-01-10 12:27:33 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: [i49.tinypic.com image 240x180]


if only facebook could post gifs.  i should say, if only i could post gifs to facebook, really.
 
2013-01-10 12:29:33 PM

Kibbler: Chicago's search for a new guitarist continues.


Lol. Funny and yet tragic.
 
2013-01-10 12:29:40 PM

ChipNASA: OMG....let's just go over this one.more.time.... Learned it in Basic Training......

DO NOT EVER POINT A WEAPON, LOADED OR UNLOADED (cause you never know) AT ANYTHING YOU DON'T INTEND TO KILL.
/ done


Good advice, but really, if you bother to check, you generally know. Guns aren't magical devices capable of materializing ammo in previously empty chambers. Well, outside of most action movies, anyway.

/ammo continuity is rarely observed.
 
2013-01-10 12:29:55 PM

blatz514: Smoky Dragon Dish: Really? I'm the Weeners this?

[www.jonathanrosenbaum.com image 462x352]

/Fark, I am dissapoint.

Yes, you are the Weeners this.

/weeners


It doesn't make sense. It wasn't the Boobies.
 
2013-01-10 12:30:14 PM

lordjupiter: Same thing would've happened if he put a hammer up to his head.


Or tried to drive a car.
 
2013-01-10 12:31:18 PM

squirrelflavoredyogurt: lordjupiter: Same thing would've happened if he put a hammer up to his head.

Or tried to drive a car.


Think of all the dead children at all those Little League games, what with all those dangerous baseball bats everywhere.
 
2013-01-10 12:32:24 PM

Smoky Dragon Dish: blatz514: Smoky Dragon Dish: Really? I'm the Weeners this?

[www.jonathanrosenbaum.com image 462x352]

/Fark, I am dissapoint.

Yes, you are the Weeners this.

/weeners

It doesn't make sense. It wasn't the Boobies.


The boobies one killed me about 6 months ago.
 
2013-01-10 12:33:51 PM
Shaw told them that he kept one round out of the firing chamber to prevent an accidental shooting, according to police.


Great! Now all we need is for some idiot at a nuke missile launching site to demonstrate to the "new guy" that the silos won't discharge if there is a missile in them.

"Here let me show you. Now let's see, silo number 5 has a missile in it and if I do remember correctly, you push this button right here!"
 
2013-01-10 12:33:52 PM

Valiente: ChipNASA: OMG....let's just go over this one.more.time.... Learned it in Basic Training......

DO NOT EVER POINT A WEAPON, LOADED OR UNLOADED (cause you never know) AT ANYTHING YOU DON'T INTEND TO KILL.
/ done

Good advice, but really, if you bother to check, you generally know. Guns aren't magical devices capable of materializing ammo in previously empty chambers. Well, outside of most action movies, anyway.

/ammo continuity is rarely observed.


Then by all means, please put an empty gun to your head every day and pull the trigger.
 
2013-01-10 12:33:59 PM

Cythraul: It's ridiculous just how often this scenario happens.  I read in an article only a couple of years ago how a guy shot himself in the head while showing his girlfriend how safe the weapon was.

To be that stupid.  If someone I loved died this way, I'd go to their funeral in mourning and in anger.  I'd be saddened by the loss, but very angry at them for being so farking stupid.


I would be angry at myself, for loving someone with the sound judgement of a retarded koala. It would be like falling for the love-child of Charlie Sheen and Lohan.
 
2013-01-10 12:34:30 PM
FTA: Shaw told them that he kept one round out of the firing chamber to prevent an accidental shooting, according to police. Witnesses then said Shaw tried to prove the gun was safe by placing it to his head and pulling the trigger, which is when the gun fired, fatally wounding him, police said.

In this case a gun has helped the entire species by weeding out somebody far too stupid to be allowed to breed.
 
2013-01-10 12:35:11 PM

blatz514: Smoky Dragon Dish: blatz514: Smoky Dragon Dish: Really? I'm the Weeners this?

[www.jonathanrosenbaum.com image 462x352]

/Fark, I am dissapoint.

Yes, you are the Weeners this.

/weeners

It doesn't make sense. It wasn't the Boobies.

The boobies one killed me about 6 months ago.


That just tells you how often I use the words "first" and "post" in the same post.
 
2013-01-10 12:35:15 PM
My gun-nutters are sending me stories about a couple towns in the news who are trying to get everybody to own a gun, and one about a mom who recently shot up an intruder while protecting her kids... think this story might be a counter to why not everyone should have a gun?
 
2013-01-10 12:35:51 PM

david_gaithersburg: Well it would eliminate the progressive wing of the Democratic Party pretty quick.


I will be you $100 right now that is he is registered with a national party he is a Republican.
 
2013-01-10 12:37:14 PM

bentley57: My gun-nutters are sending me stories about a couple towns in the news who are trying to get everybody to own a gun


Let me guess, these are small towns without a lot of minorities.
 
2013-01-10 12:38:42 PM

Slaxl: From the comments i'm going to guess Subby's name is Steven.

Anyway, how hard is it to not shoot yourself? Seems to happen an awful lot. People don't prove that knives aren't sharp by stabbing themselves. Actually scratch that, they do run their finger along the blade then go "ow". So I guess there's no hope for common humanity. As a group we're simply terrible.


"If you put a large switch in some cave somewhere, with a sign on it saying 'End-of-the-World Switch. PLEASE DO NOT TOUCH', the paint wouldn't even have time to dry."
 
2013-01-10 12:39:45 PM
This poor guy would still be alive if only all the other members of his family had guns.
 
2013-01-10 12:41:13 PM

d23: Is this what the NRA means when they say it would be safer for EVERYONE to have a gun?

The biggest idiots and most careless will simply shoot themselves?


What's wrong with putting the same requirements on gun ownership as with a driving license?  All you'd have to do would be take a gun safety course to learn not to do things like put a gun to your head and pull the trigger, giving the instructor a chance to screen for crazies.
 
2013-01-10 12:41:45 PM

GranoblasticMan: Still, you have to wonder what was going through his mind.

/oblig


A bullet! Well, after he pulled the trigger that is.
 
2013-01-10 12:44:15 PM

SlagginOff: This poor guy would still be alive if only all the other members of his family had guns.



Or if he'd been

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-10 12:45:04 PM

Carn: Bf+: Carn: david_gaithersburg: d23: Is this what the NRA means when they say it would be safer for EVERYONE to have a gun?

The biggest idiots and most careless will simply shoot themselves?

.
Well it would eliminate the progressive wing of the Democratic Party pretty quick.

LOL


Ah, another fine example of Republican humor.
Care to explain the joke and how, exactly, you considered it funny?

I was actually mocking his Republican humor feeding the troll.


FTFY
 
2013-01-10 12:45:07 PM

Pincy: Valiente: ChipNASA: OMG....let's just go over this one.more.time.... Learned it in Basic Training......

DO NOT EVER POINT A WEAPON, LOADED OR UNLOADED (cause you never know) AT ANYTHING YOU DON'T INTEND TO KILL.
/ done

Good advice, but really, if you bother to check, you generally know. Guns aren't magical devices capable of materializing ammo in previously empty chambers. Well, outside of most action movies, anyway.

/ammo continuity is rarely observed.

Then by all means, please put an empty gun to your head every day and pull the trigger.


That is what we call a false analogy. If you check that the gun is empty, it's pointless to point the gun, like doing a pregnancy test on a woman in labour.

An unchecked gun cannot be verified as being empty. Playing with matches can led to burning. Gun control rhetoric put to one side for the moment, if you can't handle the physics involved, feel free to not check if the gun is loaded. It's a species-wide thumbs-up if people who can't follow a one-point (look for bullets in advancing chamber!) checklist ventilate their skulls.

/my brother-in-law is an ETF instructor and hunter. It ain't rocket surgery, but it does require good habits..
 
Bf+
2013-01-10 12:45:17 PM

Carn: Bf+: Carn: david_gaithersburg: d23: Is this what the NRA means when they say it would be safer for EVERYONE to have a gun?

The biggest idiots and most careless will simply shoot themselves?

.
Well it would eliminate the progressive wing of the Democratic Party pretty quick.

LOL


Ah, another fine example of Republican humor.
Care to explain the joke and how, exactly, you considered it funny?

I was actually mocking his Republican humor. Guess I forgot the strikethrough. "libs dumb me so smrt! hahaha"


Ah, I see. I'll rack it up as another casualty of Poe's law.


david_gaithersburg: Please allow me to buy you an "assault weapon". We'll limit the magazine to one bullet.


Wow.
Poe, is that you?
 
2013-01-10 12:45:35 PM

ChipNASA: DO NOT EVER POINT A WEAPON, LOADED OR UNLOADED (cause you never know) AT ANYTHING YOU DON'T INTEND TO KILL.


I had a friend at one time... he wanted to show me his new rifle, so he disappears to his room & comes back pointing it right at me.

He's not a friend anymore.

I dont think he ever did figure out why i was so pissed.
 
2013-01-10 12:46:53 PM

ChipNASA: OMG....let's just go over this one.more.time.... Learned it in Basic Training......

DO NOT EVER POINT A WEAPON, LOADED OR UNLOADED (cause you never know) AT ANYTHING YOU DON'T INTEND TO KILL.
/ done


So... Success then?
 
2013-01-10 12:50:06 PM
Winners of tonight's show will receive the home version of the game
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-01-10 12:50:53 PM

Valiente: Pincy: Valiente: ChipNASA: OMG....let's just go over this one.more.time.... Learned it in Basic Training......

DO NOT EVER POINT A WEAPON, LOADED OR UNLOADED (cause you never know) AT ANYTHING YOU DON'T INTEND TO KILL.
/ done

Good advice, but really, if you bother to check, you generally know. Guns aren't magical devices capable of materializing ammo in previously empty chambers. Well, outside of most action movies, anyway.

/ammo continuity is rarely observed.

Then by all means, please put an empty gun to your head every day and pull the trigger.

That is what we call a false analogy. If you check that the gun is empty, it's pointless to point the gun, like doing a pregnancy test on a woman in labour.

An unchecked gun cannot be verified as being empty. Playing with matches can led to burning. Gun control rhetoric put to one side for the moment, if you can't handle the physics involved, feel free to not check if the gun is loaded. It's a species-wide thumbs-up if people who can't follow a one-point (look for bullets in advancing chamber!) checklist ventilate their skulls.

/my brother-in-law is an ETF instructor and hunter. It ain't rocket surgery, but it does require good habits..


So your brother-in-law teaches his class that it's OK to point a gun at someone's head and pull the trigger if you are sure that it is not loaded?
 
2013-01-10 12:53:11 PM
Some people say idiots shouldn't have guns. I say it's a self-correcting problem.
 
2013-01-10 12:55:44 PM

boinkingbill: GranoblasticMan: Still, you have to wonder what was going through his mind.

/oblig

A bullet! Well, after he pulled the trigger that is.


ಠ_ಠ

Yes. That's the joke. Thank you for explaining it to everyone.
 
2013-01-10 12:58:00 PM

tjsands1118: HotWingConspiracy: So can we at least agree that some level of mandatory training should be required for people that wish to own guns?

I think hunter's safety should be mandatory for all junior high students. I'm from Montana, so pretty much everyone takes it then anyhow. But yeah rule #1 always treat a gun like it's loaded, #2 never point the barrel at anything you don't want to shoot.


So technically this is a suicide and not an accident.
 
2013-01-10 12:58:40 PM

LessO2: No Florida tag?

Then again, we should have a Darwin tag.


We do, the Florida tag cover 87% Darwinesc crap that happens.
 
2013-01-10 12:58:43 PM

Hector Remarkable: Absolutely classic.
There must be an entire section of Hell populated exclusively by guys who did this.


That is kind of a funny concept to imagine:
I picture a segregated hell with general groups and sub groups. So anyone with a fatal gun shot to the head is the main group, broken down into accidental, suicide, murdered, and Mexicans at 12:01am New Year's Day. They could all gather around the lava pit and listen to Kurt Cobain play guitar and gurgle.
 
2013-01-10 01:01:15 PM

clevernamehere: GranoblasticMan: FTA:
Witness told officers that Shaw, his uncle, grandparents and some friends were on the back patio talking when he showed them a .38-caliber revolver, police said.

Shaw told them that he kept one round out of the firing chamber to prevent an accidental shooting, according to police.

Somebody forgot (or didn't know) that revolvers advance to the next chamber before firing.

As demonstrated in the last big gun control thread, I don't know much about guns, but I knew that.

/Also know to treat every gun as loaded and ready to fire
//Only point it at the ground or something you want to kill

Solid State Vittles: Revolver huh? Bet his brains were here, there, and everywhere.

Nice.


I want to tell you, she said, Dr.Robert could do nothing for the man.
 
2013-01-10 01:05:03 PM
Way to end a family gathering with a bang.
 
2013-01-10 01:05:53 PM

brimed03: Both dad and son killed by guns.
Smith&Wesson really have it out for this family. That, or Darwin sacrificed creativity for eliminating that particular genetic line quickly.

/whaddya want to bet junior got the gun for "self protection" as a result of the father's death?


Wow, they were goth killed by guns? Not by really, really poor choices?

Walk out into the freeway and see what happens. I know, lets ban freeways.

You guys crack me up.
 
2013-01-10 01:06:05 PM

ongbok: Way to end a family gathering with a bang.


I hope you're happy. You've ruined Christmas.
 
2013-01-10 01:06:30 PM

Confusean: Hector Remarkable: Absolutely classic.
There must be an entire section of Hell populated exclusively by guys who did this.

That is kind of a funny concept to imagine:
I picture a segregated hell with general groups and sub groups. So anyone with a fatal gun shot to the head is the main group, broken down into accidental, suicide, murdered, and Mexicans at 12:01am New Year's Day. They could all gather around the lava pit and listen to Kurt Cobain play guitar and gurgle.


Does Jon-Erik Hexum get his own special place? What about Brandon Lee?
 
2013-01-10 01:09:27 PM

Pincy: I think we should encourage all gun nuts to prove just how safe their guns are.


By all means. Some of us were actually taught that you don't aim a gun at anything you don't intend to kill.

/Firearm safety 101: a gun is always loaded, even when it's not.
 
2013-01-10 01:10:44 PM

Crewmannumber6: ongbok: Way to end a family gathering with a bang.

I hope you're happy. You've ruined Christmas.


Or made it one that will be remembered for years!
 
2013-01-10 01:12:22 PM

damndirtyape: Pincy: I think we should encourage all gun nuts to prove just how safe their guns are.

I do, every day for the last 20+ years. Never shot anyone including myself nor ever had a negligent discharge.


Yeah, and for every person who handles it safely, there is an idiot. Do you really want some of the drivers you've seen on the road with guns. Or maybe you never had people drive towards you going the wrong way on a one-way road.

But then again, you might have just been lucky. The dead man thought he was safe. And most idiots with guns don't die by them or kill someone with them. So saying that you are not dead is not very meaningful.

But the simple reality remains that...

...for every time someone uses a gun for self-defense:

4 get shot accidentally
7 criminal uses.
11 suicide attempts.

Chuck Darwin is winning big time.

cdn.theatlantic.com
 
2013-01-10 01:18:18 PM
Man you can't even make up a story that bad and convince someone it's true.

Please tell me that is the end of the for that gene pool.
 
2013-01-10 01:21:04 PM
Hm, maybe we don't need gun control.
 
2013-01-10 01:21:27 PM

GranoblasticMan: FTA:
Witness told officers that Shaw, his uncle, grandparents and some friends were on the back patio talking when he showed them a .38-caliber revolver, police said.

Shaw told them that he kept one round out of the firing chamber to prevent an accidental shooting, according to police.

Somebody forgot (or didn't know) that revolvers advance to the next chamber before firing.


This
 
2013-01-10 01:21:58 PM

TheMysteriousStranger: damndirtyape: Pincy: I think we should encourage all gun nuts to prove just how safe their guns are.

I do, every day for the last 20+ years. Never shot anyone including myself nor ever had a negligent discharge.

Yeah, and for every person who handles it safely, there is an idiot. Do you really want some of the drivers you've seen on the road with guns. Or maybe you never had people drive towards you going the wrong way on a one-way road.

But then again, you might have just been lucky. The dead man thought he was safe. And most idiots with guns don't die by them or kill someone with them. So saying that you are not dead is not very meaningful.

But the simple reality remains that...

...for every time someone uses a gun for self-defense:

4 get shot accidentally
7 criminal uses.
11 suicide attempts.

Chuck Darwin is winning big time.


There are 8-10 million accidental gun injuries annually in the United States?
 
2013-01-10 01:22:09 PM

Bf+: Carn: david_gaithersburg: d23: Is this what the NRA means when they say it would be safer for EVERYONE to have a gun?

The biggest idiots and most careless will simply shoot themselves?

.
Well it would eliminate the progressive wing of the Democratic Party pretty quick.

LOL


Ah, another fine example of Republican humor.
Care to explain the joke and how, exactly, you considered it funny?


If you dont get it....... i got this safe gun I would like to show you.
 
2013-01-10 01:25:26 PM

Gyrfalcon: Hm, maybe we don't need gun control.


If only there was a good guy there with a gun to stop him...
 
2013-01-10 01:26:54 PM

Gyrfalcon: Hm, maybe we don't need gun control.


Unfortunately, bullets fly in a (generally) straight line and are not stupid-seeking missiles.
 
2013-01-10 01:30:45 PM

TheMysteriousStranger: ...for every time someone uses a gun for self-defense:

4 get shot accidentally
7 criminal uses.
11 suicide attempts.

Chuck Darwin is winning big time.

[cdn.theatlantic.com image 550x425]


Whose DGU number are you using, because the Federal Government says it happens about 1.5 million times a year... Meaning that for your numbers to be true roughly 6 million people are accidentally shot every year.

Seems a wee bit high.
 
2013-01-10 01:31:19 PM

lordjupiter: Gyrfalcon: Hm, maybe we don't need gun control.

Unfortunately, bullets fly in a (generally) straight line and are not stupid-seeking missiles.


Is there a way to change that?
 
2013-01-10 01:31:54 PM

chrylis: TheMysteriousStranger: damndirtyape: Pincy: I think we should encourage all gun nuts to prove just how safe their guns are.

I do, every day for the last 20+ years. Never shot anyone including myself nor ever had a negligent discharge.

Yeah, and for every person who handles it safely, there is an idiot. Do you really want some of the drivers you've seen on the road with guns. Or maybe you never had people drive towards you going the wrong way on a one-way road.

But then again, you might have just been lucky. The dead man thought he was safe. And most idiots with guns don't die by them or kill someone with them. So saying that you are not dead is not very meaningful.

But the simple reality remains that...

...for every time someone uses a gun for self-defense:

4 get shot accidentally
7 criminal uses.
11 suicide attempts.

Chuck Darwin is winning big time.

There are 8-10 million accidental gun injuries annually in the United States?


...2-2.5 million people actually use a gun for self defense annually?
 
2013-01-10 01:33:02 PM

Kibbler: Chicago's search for a new guitarist continues.


35 year old jokes are LULZ. Old enough to remember.
 
2013-01-10 01:39:13 PM
More people die by the blade, than by the bullet. And cars.
 
2013-01-10 01:40:28 PM

GranoblasticMan: Still, you have to wonder what was going through his mind.

/oblig


About 158 grains of lead, probably.
 
2013-01-10 01:40:46 PM

HotWingConspiracy: So can we at least agree that some level of mandatory training should be required for people that wish to own guns?


That's taking away my rights!! Whrbl!!

Seriously there is something wrong.
 
2013-01-10 01:43:18 PM

Pick: More people die by the blade, than by the bullet. And cars.


We should issue cars to our military members then.
 
2013-01-10 01:45:26 PM

Carn: Pick: More people die by the blade, than by the bullet. And cars.

We should issue cars to our military members then.


Have Obama take away all the military's guns and replace them with knives and hammers. Watch millions of right wing heads explode simultaneously.
 
zeg
2013-01-10 01:47:41 PM

Valiente: Good advice, but really, if you bother to check, you generally know. Guns aren't magical devices capable of materializing ammo in previously empty chambers. Well, outside of most action movies, anyway.


You're not trying to guard against a breach of the laws of physics so much as a simple human error.......

Never go up against a Darwinian when death is on the line.
 
2013-01-10 01:47:57 PM

Cythraul: It's ridiculous just how often this scenario happens.  I read in an article only a couple of years ago how a guy shot himself in the head while showing his girlfriend how safe the weapon was.

To be that stupid.  If someone I loved died this way, I'd go to their funeral in mourning and in anger.  I'd be saddened by the loss, but very angry at them for being so farking stupid.


I'd be angrier at the bad influence and take it out on his best Bud.

/Dwyer, you silly bear.
 
2013-01-10 01:49:14 PM
The proper way to see if a gun is loaded is to look down the barrel of it.

4.bp.blogspot.com

(and then, hand your beer to the guy next to you to hold and say "Hey - watch this!")

/God Bless Darwin
 
2013-01-10 01:51:09 PM

TheMysteriousStranger: But the simple reality remains that...

...for every time someone uses a gun for self-defense:

4 get shot accidentally
7 criminal uses.
11 suicide attempts.


Debatable statistics.
For every self defense shooting there are many more incidents were the suspect got spooked by the threat of force. Leaving very little paperwork.
Most people aren't stupid enough to check if a gun is loaded by looking down the barrel.

...Most people.

/There are only four big rules to safe gun use and this guy broke all of them.
/Treat gun as loaded, keep finger off trigger, never point at things you don't want to destroy, be aware of what's behind the target.
/You can't child proof the world for people like that.
 
2013-01-10 01:51:39 PM

ChipNASA: OMG....let's just go over this one.more.time.... Learned it in Basic Training......

DO NOT EVER POINT A WEAPON, LOADED OR UNLOADED (cause you never know) AT ANYTHING YOU DON'T INTEND TO KILL.
/ done


Learned it at gun safety course when I was 13 years old - before I could receive my first gun from my gramps for my B-day - he took me himself every week - I sure do miss that old man
 
2013-01-10 01:51:43 PM

TheMysteriousStranger:
[cdn.theatlantic.com image 550x425]


That map is telling. Low gun deaths = the very liberal areas, and the "traditional" hunting states. One has more people that don't own guns, one has gun safety from cradle to grave.

High gun deaths - yahoos.

Just speaking stereotypically here.
 
2013-01-10 01:52:35 PM

Flakeloaf: Cythraul: It's ridiculous just how often this scenario happens.  I read in an article only a couple of years ago how a guy shot himself in the head while showing his girlfriend how safe the weapon was.

To be that stupid.  If someone I loved died this way, I'd go to their funeral in mourning and in anger.  I'd be saddened by the loss, but very angry at them for being so farking stupid.

I'd be angrier at the bad influence and take it out on his best Bud.

/Dwyer, you silly bear.


Nice shot.
 
2013-01-10 01:55:05 PM

way south: TheMysteriousStranger: But the simple reality remains that...

...for every time someone uses a gun for self-defense:

4 get shot accidentally
7 criminal uses.
11 suicide attempts.

Debatable statistics.
For every self defense shooting there are many more incidents were the suspect got spooked by the threat of force. Leaving very little paperwork.
Most people aren't stupid enough to check if a gun is loaded by looking down the barrel.

...Most people.

/There are only four big rules to safe gun use and this guy broke all of them.
/Treat gun as loaded, keep finger off trigger, never point at things you don't want to destroy, be aware of what's behind the target.
/You can't child proof the world for people like that.



Are there any stats for accidental discharges that luckily don't hurt anyone? Or gun crimes prevented because a gun wasn't available as easily as it could've been? Or shootings that happened because someone else had a gun, and the only reason someone shot was to avoid being shot first?

Because if we're going to look at unquantifiable, hypothetical, made up, "debatable" statistics using empirical data like "many more", and consider them proof of something...
 
2013-01-10 01:57:54 PM

lordjupiter: Carn: Pick: More people die by the blade, than by the bullet. And cars.

We should issue cars to our military members then.

Have Obama take away all the military's guns and replace them with knives and hammers. Watch millions of right wing heads explode simultaneously.


It worked in the Middle Ages!  The idea that some people have that we require guns in order to kill one another is absurd. Mass murders using knives, swords, vehicles, fire, hammers, and...anything BUT firearms happen with alarming frequency. But I do agree with the person who said that if you own a gun, training should be mandatory. That's not infringing on anyone's rights, that's common farking sense.

But really, I would totally love to see the military using swords, staves, and daggers. In full medieval armor. We thought we biatched about our gear when I was in! hahahaha
 
2013-01-10 01:57:58 PM
I lived in St. Pete and that is the only way out of there for some folks.
 
2013-01-10 02:01:34 PM

Smoky Dragon Dish: Smoky Dragon Dish: Really? I'm the Weeners this?

[www.jonathanrosenbaum.com image 462x352]

/Fark, I am dissapoint.

WTF, this doesn't deserve a weiner!


You can't write
1.bp.blogspot.com
on Fark.

/Boobies
//see?
 
2013-01-10 02:02:22 PM

YakiManiac: ChipNASA: OMG....let's just go over this one.more.time.... Learned it in Basic Training......

DO NOT EVER POINT A WEAPON, LOADED OR UNLOADED (cause you never know) AT ANYTHING YOU DON'T INTEND TO KILL.
/ done

Learned it at gun safety course when I was 13 years old - before I could receive my first gun from my gramps for my B-day - he took me himself every week - I sure do miss that old man


I hear all about the folks "B-b-b-b-bb-ut I checked it and it's unloaded"crowd. It's called "barrel discipline" (similar to trigger discipline) and it's a good habit to install as to *AVOID* accidents. Because accidental discharges *DO* happen and I'm not just talking about YOUR MOM.
 
2013-01-10 02:03:35 PM
Funny, I thought the gene pool seemed a little bit cleaner today.
 
2013-01-10 02:04:40 PM

ChipNASA: YakiManiac: ChipNASA: OMG....let's just go over this one.more.time.... Learned it in Basic Training......

DO NOT EVER POINT A WEAPON, LOADED OR UNLOADED (cause you never know) AT ANYTHING YOU DON'T INTEND TO KILL.
/ done

Learned it at gun safety course when I was 13 years old - before I could receive my first gun from my gramps for my B-day - he took me himself every week - I sure do miss that old man

I hear all about the folks "B-b-b-b-bb-ut I checked it and it's unloaded"crowd. It's called "barrel discipline" (similar to trigger discipline) and it's a good habit to install as to *AVOID* accidents. Because accidental discharges *DO* happen and I'm not just talking about YOUR MOM.


What's up with the joke about my dead mother jackass?
 
2013-01-10 02:04:46 PM

Rindred: Funny, I thought the gene pool seemed a little bit cleaner today.


I usually don't jerk off into it until late afternoon
 
2013-01-10 02:04:50 PM

Aigoo: lordjupiter: Carn: Pick: More people die by the blade, than by the bullet. And cars.

We should issue cars to our military members then.

Have Obama take away all the military's guns and replace them with knives and hammers. Watch millions of right wing heads explode simultaneously.

It worked in the Middle Ages!  The idea that some people have that we require guns in order to kill one another is absurd. Mass murders using knives, swords, vehicles, fire, hammers, and...anything BUT firearms happen with alarming frequency. But I do agree with the person who said that if you own a gun, training should be mandatory. That's not infringing on anyone's rights, that's common farking sense.

But really, I would totally love to see the military using swords, staves, and daggers. In full medieval armor. We thought we biatched about our gear when I was in! hahahaha


Yes, the idea that we require guns in order to kill is absurd. It's also a made up strawman and no one actually believes it.
 
2013-01-10 02:07:56 PM

rwfan: Smoky Dragon Dish: Smoky Dragon Dish: Really? I'm the Weeners this?

[www.jonathanrosenbaum.com image 462x352]

/Fark, I am dissapoint.

WTF, this doesn't deserve a weiner!

You can't write
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 443x563]
on Fark.

/Boobies
//see?


We should start a 'you can't do that on television' style meme on Fark when someone uses 'those words' in a thread.
 
2013-01-10 02:16:36 PM

GranoblasticMan: FTA:
Witness told officers that Shaw, his uncle, grandparents and some friends were on the back patio talking when he showed them a .38-caliber revolver, police said.

Shaw told them that he kept one round out of the firing chamber to prevent an accidental shooting, according to police.

Somebody forgot (or didn't know) that revolvers advance to the next chamber before firing.


You're saying that like it's a bad thing?
 
2013-01-10 02:18:04 PM

ItchyBrother: The proper way to see if a gun is loaded is to look down the barrel of it.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 320x240]

(and then, hand your beer to the guy next to you to hold and say "Hey - watch this!y'ever seen a dead body?")

/God Bless Darwin


FTFY

/krap nek
 
2013-01-10 02:23:28 PM
Is that the moment of orgasm for gun porn? When you accidentally blow your brains out with your prized possession?

Would this be considered exhibitionism?
 
2013-01-10 02:24:42 PM
FTFA: An 18-year-old man died when he put a gun to his head to show how safe it was...

To be fair, he did succeed in showing how safe it was
 
2013-01-10 02:27:07 PM
From the comments on that site:

"This is actually a good case for putting weapons safety courses back in school. NRA's Eddie Eagle program would have saved this boy's life. But something like that would never make in to stream line media, way to smart and practical."
Is that what we're calling it now?
 
2013-01-10 02:29:38 PM

Pincy: Valiente: Pincy: Valiente: ChipNASA: OMG....let's just go over this one.more.time.... Learned it in Basic Training......

DO NOT EVER POINT A WEAPON, LOADED OR UNLOADED (cause you never know) AT ANYTHING YOU DON'T INTEND TO KILL.
/ done

Good advice, but really, if you bother to check, you generally know. Guns aren't magical devices capable of materializing ammo in previously empty chambers. Well, outside of most action movies, anyway.

/ammo continuity is rarely observed.

Then by all means, please put an empty gun to your head every day and pull the trigger.

That is what we call a false analogy. If you check that the gun is empty, it's pointless to point the gun, like doing a pregnancy test on a woman in labour.

An unchecked gun cannot be verified as being empty. Playing with matches can led to burning. Gun control rhetoric put to one side for the moment, if you can't handle the physics involved, feel free to not check if the gun is loaded. It's a species-wide thumbs-up if people who can't follow a one-point (look for bullets in advancing chamber!) checklist ventilate their skulls.

/my brother-in-law is an ETF instructor and hunter. It ain't rocket surgery, but it does require good habits..

So your brother-in-law teaches his class that it's OK to point a gun at someone's head and pull the trigger if you are sure that it is not loaded?


No, he teaches that in order to know, you must check/verify/establish that a gun is either loaded or unloaded before pointing of any type may commence, and that said commencement should never be at anything you do not wish to shoot. Pretty straightforward, actually.

Man, you really want to point a gun at someone's head, dontcha?
 
2013-01-10 02:36:29 PM

lordjupiter: way south: TheMysteriousStranger: But the simple reality remains that...

...for every time someone uses a gun for self-defense:

4 get shot accidentally
7 criminal uses.
11 suicide attempts.

Debatable statistics.
For every self defense shooting there are many more incidents were the suspect got spooked by the threat of force. Leaving very little paperwork.
Most people aren't stupid enough to check if a gun is loaded by looking down the barrel.

...Most people.

/There are only four big rules to safe gun use and this guy broke all of them.
/Treat gun as loaded, keep finger off trigger, never point at things you don't want to destroy, be aware of what's behind the target.
/You can't child proof the world for people like that.


Are there any stats for accidental discharges that luckily don't hurt anyone? Or gun crimes prevented because a gun wasn't available as easily as it could've been? Or shootings that happened because someone else had a gun, and the only reason someone shot was to avoid being shot first?

Because if we're going to look at unquantifiable, hypothetical, made up, "debatable" statistics using empirical data like "many more", and consider them proof of something...


I can say that a stop sign on the corner prevents accidents.
You say it doesn't and point to the lack of documentation as proof.

The proof is the increase in accidents that comes after you remove the sign.

dl.dropbox.com

If crimes-averted become millions documented incidents, the anecdotal evidence begins to matter a great deal.
/I assume you don't intend to take responsibility in such an event. You'll just ask for a stricter gun ban.
 
2013-01-10 02:49:14 PM

david_gaithersburg: Bf+: Carn: david_gaithersburg: d23: Is this what the NRA means when they say it would be safer for EVERYONE to have a gun?

The biggest idiots and most careless will simply shoot themselves?

.
Well it would eliminate the progressive wing of the Democratic Party pretty quick.

LOL


Ah, another fine example of Republican humor.
Care to explain the joke and how, exactly, you considered it funny?

.
Please allow me to buy you an "assault weapon". We'll limit the magazine to one bullet.


Oh, grow a penis already.
 
2013-01-10 03:03:10 PM

damndirtyape: nor ever had a negligent discharge.


That's not what your wife told me...
 
2013-01-10 03:13:06 PM

YakiManiac: What's up with the joke about my dead mother jackass?


Let's dig her up and ask.
 
2013-01-10 03:15:42 PM

lostcat: Is that the moment of orgasm for gun porn? When you accidentally blow your brains out with your prized possession?

Would this be considered exhibitionism?


Even better would be some Fully-Auto-Eroticism.
 
2013-01-10 03:16:41 PM

lordjupiter: SlagginOff: This poor guy would still be alive if only all the other members of his family had guns.


Or if he'd been

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 447x296]


Oh, Lawdy-Lawd, he's desp'at! Do what he say, do what he saaaayyyy...
 
2013-01-10 03:19:16 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo:
There are 8-10 million accidental gun injuries annually in the United States?

...2-2.5 million people actually use a gun for self defense annually?


Depending on which study you cite, yes. The number is somewhere between 800,000 and 2.5 million. depending.
 
2013-01-10 03:25:40 PM

YakiManiac: ChipNASA: YakiManiac: ChipNASA: OMG....let's just go over this one.more.time.... Learned it in Basic Training......

DO NOT EVER POINT A WEAPON, LOADED OR UNLOADED (cause you never know) AT ANYTHING YOU DON'T INTEND TO KILL.
/ done

Learned it at gun safety course when I was 13 years old - before I could receive my first gun from my gramps for my B-day - he took me himself every week - I sure do miss that old man

I hear all about the folks "B-b-b-b-bb-ut I checked it and it's unloaded"crowd. It's called "barrel discipline" (similar to trigger discipline) and it's a good habit to install as to *AVOID* accidents. Because accidental discharges *DO* happen and I'm not just talking about YOUR MOM.

What's up with the joke about my dead mother jackass?


Not *YOUR* specific Mom, jackass....a generic "YOUR MOM"...discharge joke.....

i.imgur.com

/Oh wait...let me get my sarcasm meter....PING!
 
2013-01-10 03:27:00 PM

Civchic: TheMysteriousStranger:
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That map is telling. Low gun deaths = the very liberal areas, and the "traditional" hunting states. One has more people that don't own guns, one has gun safety from cradle to grave.

High gun deaths - yahoos.

Just speaking stereotypically here.


Yeah...looks kind of familiar, doesn't it?

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i218.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-10 03:27:52 PM

Click Click D'oh: The All-Powerful Atheismo:
There are 8-10 million accidental gun injuries annually in the United States?

...2-2.5 million people actually use a gun for self defense annually?

Depending on which study you cite, yes. The number is somewhere between 800,000 and 2.5 million. depending.


Except no, that's factually false. The HIGHEST estimated numbers are just above 1 million.
 
2013-01-10 03:40:02 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo:

Except no, that's factually false. The HIGHEST estimated numbers are just above 1 million.


You know, you really shouldn't say something that can be very easily refuted.

Note, the lowest number is 770,000 the highest is 3.6 million.

So... I guess I was wrong... I was 1 Million short..
 
2013-01-10 04:12:30 PM

Click Click D'oh: The All-Powerful Atheismo:

Except no, that's factually false. The HIGHEST estimated numbers are just above 1 million.

You know, you really shouldn't say something that can be very easily refuted.

Note, the lowest number is 770,000 the highest is 3.6 million.

So... I guess I was wrong... I was 1 Million short..


Oh my bad, you were talking about surveys from 1976 while I was talking about the year the rest of us actually are living in now.
 
2013-01-10 04:32:19 PM
Whatever the number is, add one more to it.
 
2013-01-10 04:33:49 PM

PainInTheASP: Civchic: TheMysteriousStranger:
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That map is telling. Low gun deaths = the very liberal areas, and the "traditional" hunting states. One has more people that don't own guns, one has gun safety from cradle to grave.

High gun deaths - yahoos.

Just speaking stereotypically here.

Yeah...looks kind of familiar, doesn't it?

[i218.photobucket.com image 550x425]

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huh.. a map of the USA DOES look like a map of the USA..

thats farking amazing!
 
2013-01-10 04:59:15 PM

way south: lordjupiter: way south: TheMysteriousStranger: But the simple reality remains that...

...for every time someone uses a gun for self-defense:

4 get shot accidentally
7 criminal uses.
11 suicide attempts.

Debatable statistics.
For every self defense shooting there are many more incidents were the suspect got spooked by the threat of force. Leaving very little paperwork.
Most people aren't stupid enough to check if a gun is loaded by looking down the barrel.

...Most people.

/There are only four big rules to safe gun use and this guy broke all of them.
/Treat gun as loaded, keep finger off trigger, never point at things you don't want to destroy, be aware of what's behind the target.
/You can't child proof the world for people like that.


Are there any stats for accidental discharges that luckily don't hurt anyone? Or gun crimes prevented because a gun wasn't available as easily as it could've been? Or shootings that happened because someone else had a gun, and the only reason someone shot was to avoid being shot first?

Because if we're going to look at unquantifiable, hypothetical, made up, "debatable" statistics using empirical data like "many more", and consider them proof of something...

I can say that a stop sign on the corner prevents accidents.
You say it doesn't and point to the lack of documentation as proof.

The proof is the increase in accidents that comes after you remove the sign.

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If crimes-averted become millions documented incidents, the anecdotal evidence begins to matter a great deal.
/I assume you don't intend to take responsibility in such an event. You'll just ask for a stricter gun ban.


No, that's correlation not causation. And your nifty graph, like every one I've seen a million times in these debates, leaves out a wealth of relevant information that goes along with the stats that are being abused.

Nothing new here.
 
2013-01-10 06:35:49 PM

lordjupiter: way south: lordjupiter: way south: TheMysteriousStranger: But the simple reality remains that...

...for every time someone uses a gun for self-defense:

4 get shot accidentally
7 criminal uses.
11 suicide attempts.

Debatable statistics.
For every self defense shooting there are many more incidents were the suspect got spooked by the threat of force. Leaving very little paperwork.
Most people aren't stupid enough to check if a gun is loaded by looking down the barrel.

...Most people.

/There are only four big rules to safe gun use and this guy broke all of them.
/Treat gun as loaded, keep finger off trigger, never point at things you don't want to destroy, be aware of what's behind the target.
/You can't child proof the world for people like that.


Are there any stats for accidental discharges that luckily don't hurt anyone? Or gun crimes prevented because a gun wasn't available as easily as it could've been? Or shootings that happened because someone else had a gun, and the only reason someone shot was to avoid being shot first?

Because if we're going to look at unquantifiable, hypothetical, made up, "debatable" statistics using empirical data like "many more", and consider them proof of something...

I can say that a stop sign on the corner prevents accidents.
You say it doesn't and point to the lack of documentation as proof.

The proof is the increase in accidents that comes after you remove the sign.

[dl.dropbox.com image 552x361]

If crimes-averted become millions documented incidents, the anecdotal evidence begins to matter a great deal.
/I assume you don't intend to take responsibility in such an event. You'll just ask for a stricter gun ban.

No, that's correlation not causation. And your nifty graph, like every one I've seen a million times in these debates, leaves out a wealth of relevant information that goes along with the stats that are being abused.

Nothing new here.


It's close enough for illustration purposes.
The predicted result of gun control is that murders should go down, and instead (in this example) they went up. The logical conclusion should be that gun control wasn't the silver bullet supporters claimed it would be.
The response I predict is that supporters of these laws will deny the statistics and propose more gun control.

Is that your intention if the results of new efforts do not meet expectations?
 
2013-01-10 08:26:56 PM

HotWingConspiracy: So can we at least agree that some level of mandatory training should be required for people that wish to own guns?


Gun licensing should be like car licensing, only stricter.
Required written and practical tests. A graduated system depending on the type of weapon. Bans for medical conditions. Special insurance. Re-registration with a fee each year.
 
2013-01-10 09:34:11 PM

whatshisname: HotWingConspiracy: So can we at least agree that some level of mandatory training should be required for people that wish to own guns?

Gun licensing should be like car licensing, only stricter.
Required written and practical tests. A graduated system depending on the type of weapon. Bans for medical conditions. Special insurance. Re-registration with a fee each year.


Then, by that same reasoning, such a license should allow me to carry any registered firearm in a usable condition when in public, and the license should be honoured in all fifty states.
 
2013-01-11 12:54:57 AM

TheMysteriousStranger: damndirtyape: Pincy: I think we should encourage all gun nuts to prove just how safe their guns are.

I do, every day for the last 20+ years. Never shot anyone including myself nor ever had a negligent discharge.

Yeah, and for every person who handles it safely, there is an idiot. Do you really want some of the drivers you've seen on the road with guns. Or maybe you never had people drive towards you going the wrong way on a one-way road.

But then again, you might have just been lucky. The dead man thought he was safe. And most idiots with guns don't die by them or kill someone with them. So saying that you are not dead is not very meaningful.

But the simple reality remains that...

...for every time someone uses a gun for self-defense:

4 get shot accidentally
7 criminal uses.
11 suicide attempts.

Chuck Darwin is winning big time.

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Fair enough, but I take precautions to make sure I'm not one of the 4 or the 7, and I feel mentally stable enough not to be one of the 11.
 
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