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2013-01-10 11:53:20 AM  
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2013-01-10 12:23:03 PM  
I was humming the Robocop theme while reading that article.
 
2013-01-10 12:28:48 PM  
At least when they build Delta city they wont have problems tossing the people out on their asses.
 
2013-01-10 12:32:05 PM  
Detroit's size is the problem. It has the square mileage of a 2 million plus city but will probably be down to less than half a million by 2020.
 
2013-01-10 12:34:36 PM  
Another shining example of what not to do with a city
 
2013-01-10 12:47:24 PM  
Since we're talking Detroit...

jamesrising.com
 
2013-01-10 12:47:32 PM  
Throwing money at a problem doesn't work too well sometimes. Detroit's school system is a prime example - this state spends more money per student in Detroit's school system than any other - yet they have the worst graduation rate and MEAP scores.

Ultimately, it's a culture issue. Decades of corruption by city officials (Mayor Young and the Kilpatrick clan come to mind) don't help, along with a "don't snitch" attitude among residents.

Gentrification might help. Some neighborhoods deep downtown have been revived into gated communities, but these are seen as a negative by the  culture of Detroit, which doesn't have any problem whatsoever with burned out, abandoned houses and storefronts.

Sometimes the best solution is just to nuke it from orbit.
 
2013-01-10 12:48:56 PM  

LesserEvil: Throwing money at a problem doesn't work too well sometimes. Detroit's school system is a prime example - this state spends more money per student in Detroit's school system than any other - yet they have the worst graduation rate and MEAP scores.

Ultimately, it's a culture issue. Decades of corruption by city officials (Mayor Young and the Kilpatrick clan come to mind) don't help, along with a "don't snitch" attitude among residents.

Gentrification might help. Some neighborhoods deep downtown have been revived into gated communities, but these are seen as a negative by the  culture of Detroit, which doesn't have any problem whatsoever with burned out, abandoned houses and storefronts.

Sometimes the best solution is just to nuke it from orbit.


Now THAT is some quality racism.
 
2013-01-10 12:49:21 PM  
it's cool, it will all turn around when Serif makes their HQ there.
 
2013-01-10 12:55:12 PM  
Al Madrigal had a pretty good segment on last night's TDS about the Detroit residents that oppose the new bridge.
 
2013-01-10 12:59:33 PM  

Stone Meadow: LesserEvil: Throwing money at a problem doesn't work too well sometimes. Detroit's school system is a prime example - this state spends more money per student in Detroit's school system than any other - yet they have the worst graduation rate and MEAP scores.

Ultimately, it's a culture issue. Decades of corruption by city officials (Mayor Young and the Kilpatrick clan come to mind) don't help, along with a "don't snitch" attitude among residents.

Gentrification might help. Some neighborhoods deep downtown have been revived into gated communities, but these are seen as a negative by the  culture of Detroit, which doesn't have any problem whatsoever with burned out, abandoned houses and storefronts.

Sometimes the best solution is just to nuke it from orbit.

Now THAT is some quality racism.


Not racism. You don't live here, apparently. I do, I venture into Detroit and have seen it at its best and its worst. Race has little to do with it, as much as culture. There are plenty of hard working, honest people of all races who live in the outlying areas of Metro Detroit. They don't indulge in the thug culture and want nothing more than to make Metro Detroit a better place for their families.

My charges of corruption also have nothing to do with race.... I find Chicago just as corrupt, politically, as Detroit. I've actually dealt with the corruption directly, but it's well documented.

Culture != Race. Until people like YOU start realizing that, there is little hope that changes can be made for the good of all people. A destructive culture is exactly that, and worse, the people who indulge in it CAN CHANGE.... it has nothing to do with their race, though people like you, who cannot make the distinction, will continue to pigeonhole those of a particular race into those destructive cultures. Identifying a person by their race with a culture is certainly racist. Please try to understand that nobody is truly limited by the color of their skin, only by the choices they make in life.
 
2013-01-10 01:05:02 PM  

Stone Meadow: Now THAT is some quality racism.


I didn't read any racism in that post.

/Former SE Michigander
 
2013-01-10 01:08:03 PM  
iancul.com
 
2013-01-10 01:20:33 PM  

The Bestest: Al Madrigal had a pretty good segment on last night's TDS about the Detroit residents that oppose the new bridge.


That segment left me speechless. How farking stupid are those people? Especially the Black Panther guy, I mean holy crap. How clueless can one person be?
 
2013-01-10 01:23:55 PM  

Glenford: The Bestest: Al Madrigal had a pretty good segment on last night's TDS about the Detroit residents that oppose the new bridge.

That segment left me speechless. How farking stupid are those people? Especially the Black Panther guy, I mean holy crap. How clueless can one person be?


Probably paid by Maroun to think that way.
 
2013-01-10 01:27:24 PM  

Glenford: The Bestest: Al Madrigal had a pretty good segment on last night's TDS about the Detroit residents that oppose the new bridge.

That segment left me speechless. How farking stupid are those people? Especially the Black Panther guy, I mean holy crap. How clueless can one person be?


Yeah, the owner of the Ambassador Bridge has these people completely snowed.

Given the exchange rate and taxes, the US exports more to Canada these days than the other way around... we'd see a lot more benefit from increased traffic between Michigan and Canada, and by extension, Detroit.

Prop 6 went down HARD in this state, because most people aren't as stupid as the people in that segment.

/Shabazz is being paid off by an 85-year old billionaire. LOL.
 
2013-01-10 01:33:03 PM  
Immediately thought of Delta City
 
2013-01-10 01:44:23 PM  

LesserEvil: Stone Meadow: Now THAT is some quality racism.

Not racism. You don't live here, apparently. I do, I venture into Detroit and have seen it at its best and its worst. Race has little to do with it, as much as culture. There are plenty of hard working, honest people of all races who live in the outlying areas of Metro Detroit. They don't indulge in the thug culture and want nothing more than to make Metro Detroit a better place for their families.

My charges of corruption also have nothing to do with race...i>

Sure it is. Anytime one emphasizes the word culture to characterize a city that's 83% black, that's code-speak for race.

 
2013-01-10 01:51:50 PM  

Stone Meadow: LesserEvil: Stone Meadow: Now THAT is some quality racism.

Not racism. You don't live here, apparently. I do, I venture into Detroit and have seen it at its best and its worst. Race has little to do with it, as much as culture. There are plenty of hard working, honest people of all races who live in the outlying areas of Metro Detroit. They don't indulge in the thug culture and want nothing more than to make Metro Detroit a better place for their families.

My charges of corruption also have nothing to do with race...i>

Sure it is. Anytime one emphasizes the word culture to characterize a city that's 83% black, that's code-speak for race.


No, it's not. Take your straw man elsewhere. You are the one who sees race in a post that doesn't mention anything but facts. Thug culture is thug culture, whether it's ICP or Lil' Wayne, color isn't the issue, crime, attitude, entitlement is the issue.

Until YOU stop seeing "code words" and racist conspiracy in anything that criticizes an undeniably bad culture, you'll never understand the problem or know how to start dealing with them - nor will you stop being a racist. Why does the color of somebody's skin matter to you so much? Doesn't everybody in Detroit deserve a better life?
 
2013-01-10 01:54:10 PM  
What if someone emphasized the word "culture" to characterize the laid back, easy going, culture of San Francisco, would that also be code-speak for homophobia?
 
2013-01-10 02:00:54 PM  

LesserEvil: Until YOU stop seeing "code words" and racist conspiracy in anything that criticizes an undeniably bad culture...


Projection much?
 
2013-01-10 02:01:37 PM  
Detroit is not the only city in Michigan that needs liberal use of a bulldozer.
 
2013-01-10 02:07:00 PM  

Stone Meadow: LesserEvil: Until YOU stop seeing "code words" and racist conspiracy in anything that criticizes an undeniably bad culture...

Projection much?


You do seem to project a lot.
 
2013-01-10 03:17:59 PM  

Dick Gozinya: What if someone emphasized the word "culture" to characterize the laid back, easy going, culture of San Francisco, would that also be code-speak for homophobia?


Oh God you know nothing about San Francisco. Gay is one subgroup who knows maybe 20%? Well this city is like 35% Asian and God knows what percentage Hispanic legal and otherwise. Both examples are ignorant and leadting to nonhumanize blacks and gays as "others".
 
2013-01-10 03:24:57 PM  

Stone Meadow: LesserEvil: Throwing money at a problem doesn't work too well sometimes. Detroit's school system is a prime example - this state spends more money per student in Detroit's school system than any other - yet they have the worst graduation rate and MEAP scores.

Ultimately, it's a culture issue. Decades of corruption by city officials (Mayor Young and the Kilpatrick clan come to mind) don't help, along with a "don't snitch" attitude among residents.

Gentrification might help. Some neighborhoods deep downtown have been revived into gated communities, but these are seen as a negative by the  culture of Detroit, which doesn't have any problem whatsoever with burned out, abandoned houses and storefronts.

Sometimes the best solution is just to nuke it from orbit.

Now THAT is some quality racism.


Nothing LesserEvil said is not absolutely true.  A sizeable portion of the black population of Detroit has been taught to be paranoid about any attempt by "whitey" to have any control at all over anything "Detroit", even if allowing it would be to the benefit of the city as a whole and themselves directly.

Not that the same racial distrust from white suburbanites doesn't happen in the opposite direction either.
 
2013-01-10 05:05:09 PM  
$150 billion couldn't save Detroit.
 
2013-01-10 06:13:35 PM  

crab66: $150 billion couldn't save Detroit.


It could have.
 
2013-01-10 06:18:17 PM  

wxboy: Stone Meadow: LesserEvil: Throwing money at a problem doesn't work too well sometimes. Detroit's school system is a prime example - this state spends more money per student in Detroit's school system than any other - yet they have the worst graduation rate and MEAP scores.

Ultimately, it's a culture issue. Decades of corruption by city officials (Mayor Young and the Kilpatrick clan come to mind) don't help, along with a "don't snitch" attitude among residents.

Gentrification might help. Some neighborhoods deep downtown have been revived into gated communities, but these are seen as a negative by the  culture of Detroit, which doesn't have any problem whatsoever with burned out, abandoned houses and storefronts.

Sometimes the best solution is just to nuke it from orbit.

Now THAT is some quality racism.

Nothing LesserEvil said is not absolutely true.  A sizeable portion of the black population of Detroit has been taught to be paranoid about any attempt by "whitey" to have any control at all over anything "Detroit", even if allowing it would be to the benefit of the city as a whole and themselves directly.

Not that the same racial distrust from white suburbanites doesn't happen in the opposite direction either.


Sounds like a lot of the Teabaggers on the right. Both groups are well-armed, might I suggest a battle between the two groups to reduce the unnecessary population?
 
2013-01-10 07:48:45 PM  

Glenford: The Bestest: Al Madrigal had a pretty good segment on last night's TDS about the Detroit residents that oppose the new bridge.

That segment left me speechless. How farking stupid are those people? Especially the Black Panther guy, I mean holy crap. How clueless can one person be?


A massive amount of lie-filled ad time was bought by the owner of the ambassador bridge, in the defense of Michiganders.

Then too they phrased the referrendum in a false dichotomy of evil government down our throat vs. letting the people decide.
 
2013-01-10 07:53:53 PM  

wxboy: Stone Meadow: LesserEvil: Throwing money at a problem doesn't work too well sometimes. Detroit's school system is a prime example - this state spends more money per student in Detroit's school system than any other - yet they have the worst graduation rate and MEAP scores.

Ultimately, it's a culture issue. Decades of corruption by city officials (Mayor Young and the Kilpatrick clan come to mind) don't help, along with a "don't snitch" attitude among residents.

Gentrification might help. Some neighborhoods deep downtown have been revived into gated communities, but these are seen as a negative by the  culture of Detroit, which doesn't have any problem whatsoever with burned out, abandoned houses and storefronts.

Sometimes the best solution is just to nuke it from orbit.

Now THAT is some quality racism.

Nothing LesserEvil said is not absolutely true.  A sizeable portion of the black population of Detroit has been taught to be paranoid about any attempt by "whitey" to have any control at all over anything "Detroit", even if allowing it would be to the benefit of the city as a whole and themselves directly.

Not that the same racial distrust from white suburbanites doesn't happen in the opposite direction either.


Same goes for pontiac and flint.

Tell a significant portion of these people (and before you say racism I lived IN pontiac and only know whites from flint, and am fifteen miles from detroit at my current residence) that their city is a failboat and they won't argue the facts. They will tell you that you are an outsider and don't have the right to even comment.

At this point it is almost more territorial than the old black vs. white stuff of my father's day.
 
2013-01-11 12:10:44 PM  

Stone Meadow: LesserEvil: Throwing money at a problem doesn't work too well sometimes. Detroit's school system is a prime example - this state spends more money per student in Detroit's school system than any other - yet they have the worst graduation rate and MEAP scores.

Ultimately, it's a culture issue. Decades of corruption by city officials (Mayor Young and the Kilpatrick clan come to mind) don't help, along with a "don't snitch" attitude among residents.

Gentrification might help. Some neighborhoods deep downtown have been revived into gated communities, but these are seen as a negative by the  culture of Detroit, which doesn't have any problem whatsoever with burned out, abandoned houses and storefronts.

Sometimes the best solution is just to nuke it from orbit.

Now THAT is some quality racism.


Is it racist if it's true?
 
2013-01-11 01:03:46 PM  

LL316: Is it racist if it's true?


Of course it is. Picture it this way: you see a black person walking down the street and call out to your buddy, "Hey look, there's a [insert n-word here] walking down the street!"

True statement, and undeniably racist.
 
2013-01-11 08:09:27 PM  

Stone Meadow: LL316: Is it racist if it's true?

Of course it is. Picture it this way: you see a black person walking down the street and call out to your buddy, "Hey look, there's a [insert n-word here] walking down the street!"

True statement, and undeniably racist.


More like, you see a thug walking down Gratiot Avenue, pants hanging down to his knees, fiddling with the pistol in the waistband of his boxers, and you see a transaction as the guy clearly passes a small baggie to somebody in a car that had pulled up to him. LL316 calls him a drug dealer gang-banger - Stone Meadow, who is not even there to see what is happening, calls LL316 a racist.

Of course, said gang banger is white, but let's not let that mess up Stone Meadow's perceptions of who would be dealing drugs in Detroit. Let's also not call him out for making certain assumptions about a person because of their socioeconomic background and residence, because surely that's not racist, right?
 
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