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2013-01-10 11:40:58 AM
The question on its face is stupid, but, it does go back to things that ESPN and everyone else has talked about repeatedly, especially with the whole head/concussion issue.....  when do you take away the decision to play from the player and put it in the hands of the doctor.

The putting it back on Cutler is just because his was a very highly visible pulling himself out of a game when he might have "technically" been able to "play through the injury".... RGIII could have certainly done the same thing in that game.... he was obviously at the very least a bit "tweaked" and could have sat out, but, he played through it.  Cutler got a lot of flack from fans and media types about his decision, and from that perspective, how that affects how other players make the same in game decision is interesting.
 
2013-01-10 11:44:16 AM
His coach gets the lion share of the blame. RG gets a large chuck of it but the coach has been around longer and should know better.
 
2013-01-10 11:56:14 AM
The better question is "How much of RG3's injury can be blamed upon the same mentality that caused people to ceaselessly bash Jay Cutler when he sat out with what they believed to be a questionable injury?" To that question, I say "a substantial amount."

This is a league that can't rush players back onto the field fast enough, that dubs players "soft" when they don't play through a goddamned concussion. You expect a 22 year old rookie to be given the slightest bit of deference if he says "I'm too hurt to play" in this league? Does that 22 year old rookie have any incentive to say that to his head coach? He'll be called weak, soft, a quitter, not a leader, etc.

It's the coach's job to recognize when his players aren't able to execute, whether due to talent or injury, and make the hard but correct decision to replace players who cannot perform. In this case, the coach either negligently or willfully ignored that his player was injured; I don't care if 100 doctors said he medically could play, it was obvious from his execution that he shouldn't play after he was further hurt in the first quarter.
 
2013-01-10 12:00:03 PM
If we're going to look for root causes here, we need to bring up the fact that Tony Romo throws too many interceptions.
 
2013-01-10 12:06:49 PM
Yeah, but Tebow.
 
2013-01-10 01:03:56 PM
Jay Cutler is the Fedex Field groundskeeper?
 
2013-01-10 01:44:38 PM

kronicfeld: The better question is "How much of RG3's injury can be blamed upon the same mentality that caused people to ceaselessly bash Jay Cutler when he sat out with what they believed to be a questionable injury?"


Agreed.  They made a legitimately interesting observation/connection, but then phrased it in the dumbest way possible.
 
2013-01-10 02:33:40 PM

PowerSlacker: Jay Cutler is the Fedex Field groundskeeper?


Something like this, only I blame the guy who signs groundskeeper Willie's checks. The injuries came from cut backs, twists, etc. It wasn't from a blindside hit or having a lineman fall on him.
 
2013-01-10 02:39:45 PM

Huck Chaser: kronicfeld: The better question is "How much of RG3's injury can be blamed upon the same mentality that caused people to ceaselessly bash Jay Cutler when he sat out with what they believed to be a questionable injury?"

Agreed.  They made a legitimately interesting observation/connection, but then phrased it in the dumbest way possible.


They phrased it in a way that avoided asking "How much to you blame the way ESPN and sports media in general handled Jay Cutler's situation for RG3's injury?"
 
2013-01-10 02:46:26 PM
Charissa Thompson

With reckless disregard for humanity
 
2013-01-10 02:46:40 PM

rumpelstiltskin: If we're going to look for root causes here, we need to bring up the fact that Tony Romo throws too many interceptions.


And Tom Brady's forehead.
 
2013-01-10 02:51:22 PM
Blame Jay Cutler? Of course not.
Blame how people TREATED Cutler for not playing?
Absolutely.
 
2013-01-10 02:53:44 PM
The press conference after that game should have been Shanahan being shiatcanned. "Well he was limping around on a treacherous playing surface, but he told me he was good to go. Looked legit." Jesus Christ.
 
2013-01-10 02:54:53 PM
If RGIII had come out, been looked at by the doctor, and stayed out, there would never have been any issue. YOUR TEAM DOCTOR WAS DOCTOR JAMES F*CKING ANDREWS.

Also, I doubt RGIII would have come out and just sat around pouting for the rest of the game.

Good points brought up on The Evening Jones about how the Shanahans seem to hate RGIII:

1) Remember how they got fined for not reporting his concussion, saying he was "shaken up" even after doctors had reported that he had a concussion within minutes, earning himself a fine?
2) Putting him out on a pass route thrown by a non-QB. A couple of weeks after the concussion. According to Ryan Clark, as soon as he saw what was happening, he knew he was going to lay RGIII out from 25 yards away. And he did.
3) Virtually the entire playoff game.
 
2013-01-10 02:55:27 PM
No but I will blame Jim Harbaugh if a starting QB keeps playing with a concussion.
 
2013-01-10 02:55:52 PM

dletter: The question on its face is stupid, but, it does go back to things that ESPN and everyone else has talked about repeatedly, especially with the whole head/concussion issue.....  when do you take away the decision to play from the player and put it in the hands of the doctor.

The putting it back on Cutler is just because his was a very highly visible pulling himself out of a game when he might have "technically" been able to "play through the injury".... RGIII could have certainly done the same thing in that game.... he was obviously at the very least a bit "tweaked" and could have sat out, but, he played through it.  Cutler got a lot of flack from fans and media types about his decision, and from that perspective, how that affects how other players make the same in game decision is interesting.


In which case it is the fans and dipshiats like MJD who are actually to blame.
 
2013-01-10 02:58:23 PM
I'm okay with blaming Jay Cutler for pretty much anything. He's the reason the Buffalo Bills are terrible. He's the reason I have a hangover right now. He's the reason my salsa got moldy.

CUTLER!!!
 
2013-01-10 02:58:38 PM

IAmRight: 1) Remember how they got fined for not reporting his concussion, saying he was "shaken up" even after doctors had reported that he had a concussion within minutes, earning himself a fine?
2) Putting him out on a pass route thrown by a non-QB. A couple of weeks after the concussion. According to Ryan Clark, as soon as he saw what was happening, he knew he was going to lay RGIII out from 25 yards away. And he did.
3) Virtually the entire playoff game.


Jake Plummer should really invite RG3 to hang out with him in Idaho or wherever he is now.
 
2013-01-10 02:59:37 PM

Yes please: They phrased it in a way that avoided asking "How much to you blame the way ESPN and sports media in general handled Jay Cutler's situation for RG3's injury?"


Haha, fair point.
 
2013-01-10 03:01:27 PM
The Magic of JC1.
 
2013-01-10 03:02:06 PM
ESPN: We keep a dictionary around the office to frequently look up the word "reporting".
 
2013-01-10 03:02:12 PM
It's a proven fact that Cutler was directly involved in the plot to assassinate Arch Duke Ferdinand.
 
2013-01-10 03:03:06 PM
I brought up this topic a day or two ago, just not with an asinine question.

I said it would be interesting to compare what people said about RG3 and Shanahan with what they aid about Cutler and Smith.

Part of the problem with the Cutler situation was that the Bears, under Lovie Smith, were annoyingly, hilariously tight-lipped about injuries. Had they just been up front and said that he had a sprained MCL and that he didn't pull himself out, but had to be benched, it may not have blown up the way it did.
 
2013-01-10 03:04:11 PM

IAmRight: If RGIII had come out, been looked at by the doctor, and stayed out, there would never have been any issue. YOUR TEAM DOCTOR WAS DOCTOR JAMES F*CKING ANDREWS.


And I love the idea that people, even imbeciles who torched Cutler for sitting out a playoff game, didn't recognize that Griffin was ALREADY hurt before the game and clearly re-injured himself on the scramble in the 1st quarter directly before the second TD. Everybody with eyes saw it, except Mike Shanahan, the only guy who could have done something about it.

And if you recall, it was the FOX broadcast team that stoked the flames under Cutler by showing him 65 times, then dipshiats like Maurice Jones-Drew who took to Twitter to rip him mercilessly.
 
2013-01-10 03:05:01 PM

dletter: The putting it back on Cutler is just because his was a very highly visible pulling himself out of a game


I'm pretty sure the coaches gave Jay the hook after giving him the first series of the second half to test out his knee. Needless to say, he was unable to throw a pass with any accuracy in that series and left shortly after.
 
2013-01-10 03:05:15 PM
I think we all know who should really blame for this whole fiasco: Kyle Orton.

/Dammit Orton!
 
2013-01-10 03:09:29 PM

germ78: dletter: The putting it back on Cutler is just because his was a very highly visible pulling himself out of a game

I'm pretty sure the coaches gave Jay the hook after giving him the first series of the second half to test out his knee. Needless to say, he was unable to throw a pass with any accuracy in that series and left shortly after.


Right, it wasn't Cutler's decision. Everyone just jumped to conclusions like idiots. Cutler played the entire year getting hit all the time by his very offensive offensive line, and never complained. Why anyone would think the NFC Championship game was the time he decided "fark it, I give up" I will never understand.

I'm a Packers fan, too. Although seeing Cutler hurt or cut would be bad for the Packers - we're inside his head somehow.
 
2013-01-10 03:10:30 PM

CCCarnie: I'm okay with blaming Jay Cutler for pretty much anything. He's the reason the Buffalo Bills are terrible. He's the reason I have a hangover right now. He's the reason my salsa got moldy.

CUTLER!!!


Hey, Jay...
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2013-01-10 03:11:30 PM

kronicfeld: The better question is "How much of RG3's injury can be blamed upon the same mentality that caused people to ceaselessly bash Jay Cutler when he sat out with what they believed to be a questionable injury?" To that question, I say "a substantial amount."

This is a league that can't rush players back onto the field fast enough, that dubs players "soft" when they don't play through a goddamned concussion. You expect a 22 year old rookie to be given the slightest bit of deference if he says "I'm too hurt to play" in this league? Does that 22 year old rookie have any incentive to say that to his head coach? He'll be called weak, soft, a quitter, not a leader, etc.

It's the coach's job to recognize when his players aren't able to execute, whether due to talent or injury, and make the hard but correct decision to replace players who cannot perform. In this case, the coach either negligently or willfully ignored that his player was injured; I don't care if 100 doctors said he medically could play, it was obvious from his execution that he shouldn't play after he was further hurt in the first quarter.


Of course, we could put even more blame on Jim Harbaugh, who took Alex Smith's injury as an opportunity to install his preferred QB. That would be another reason RGIII rushed back onto the field: If he didn't, Kirk Cousins was poised to take his job.
 
2013-01-10 03:15:43 PM

Orgasmatron138: I brought up this topic a day or two ago, just not with an asinine question.

I said it would be interesting to compare what people said about RG3 and Shanahan with what they aid about Cutler and Smith.

Part of the problem with the Cutler situation was that the Bears, under Lovie Smith, were annoyingly, hilariously tight-lipped about injuries. Had they just been up front and said that he had a sprained MCL and that he didn't pull himself out, but had to be benched, it may not have blown up the way it did.


Oh, and to add to my statement, it didn't help that during the first Bears game of the following season, the TV broadcast showed cutouts of fake newspaper headlines in an effort to keep the storyline going.
 
2013-01-10 03:15:55 PM

Buck Henderson: CCCarnie: I'm okay with blaming Jay Cutler for pretty much anything. He's the reason the Buffalo Bills are terrible. He's the reason I have a hangover right now. He's the reason my salsa got moldy.

CUTLER!!!

Hey, Jay...
[img818.imageshack.us image 500x380]


jay cutler response is

www.midwestsportsfans.com

/yes i still find it funny
 
2013-01-10 03:17:18 PM

Yanks_RSJ: And I love the idea that people, even imbeciles who torched Cutler for sitting out a playoff game, didn't recognize that Griffin was ALREADY hurt before the game and clearly re-injured himself on the scramble in the 1st quarter directly before the second TD.


No no, he was clearly still able to play at the same level.

Let's look at his pass depth after the first quarter play he first tweaked it on (the play right before the TD):

2ND QUARTER
4-yard TD pass (maybe a yard into the end zone. Let's call it 5)
Incomplete short (they don't give a yardage for incompletions on play-by-play)
deep pass intercepted (this might be when they realized, "oh hey, he can't throw deep either")
3RD QUARTER
3-yard pass
5-yard pass
0-yard pass
incomplete short
sacked
incomplete short
complete short, 5 turns to 8 with YAC
4TH QUARTER
incomplete deep
incomplete short
sack
fumble

Oh yeah, they threw two passes of more than 5 yards in 2.5 quarters. I suppose it's fair to say that I've heard that they throw a lot of short passes, moreso than most offenses...but damn. It really looks like you're trying to make it so he doesn't have to throw anything he'd have to really step into, Redskins.
 
2013-01-10 03:19:06 PM
What role, officially, does the doctor have in deciding whether someone can play? I thought they had the final word but I may be thinking of a different league (or college).
 
2013-01-10 03:22:15 PM

ArkPanda: I thought they had the final word


Other than with concussions, I think, the medical staff is really just advisory. Basically, the doctor gives the coach plausible deniability, or at least is supposed to.

The mere fact that Andrews was on the sidelines that day should tell you everything you need to know about what Shanahan really knew and believed about RG3's knee.
 
2013-01-10 03:23:44 PM

SkittlesAreYum: I'm a Packers fan, too. Although seeing Cutler hurt or cut would be bad for the Packers - we're inside his head somehow.


I'd chalk it up to the complete lack of offensive identity on the Bears since Jay got here and the inability to run a play and run it well besides Cutler-Marshall streetball style.

/though when your biggest rival has your number its not a good thing
 
2013-01-10 03:25:57 PM

kronicfeld: ArkPanda: I thought they had the final word

Other than with concussions, I think, the medical staff is really just advisory. Basically, the doctor gives the coach plausible deniability, or at least is supposed to.

The mere fact that Andrews was on the sidelines that day should tell you everything you need to know about what Shanahan really knew and believed about RG3's knee.


OK, I must have been thinking of the new concussion rules. Maybe they should start listening to the doctors on things that happen below the neck too.
 
2013-01-10 03:28:48 PM
Cutler and Griffin were both coached by Shanahan. That must have something to do with it.
 
2013-01-10 03:33:01 PM

germ78: SkittlesAreYum: I'm a Packers fan, too. Although seeing Cutler hurt or cut would be bad for the Packers - we're inside his head somehow.

I'd chalk it up to the complete lack of offensive identity on the Bears since Jay got here and the inability to run a play and run it well besides Cutler-Marshall streetball style.

/though when your biggest rival has your number its not a good thing


I'd chalk it up to a group of receivers who can't run routes or catch and a group of linemen who can't block. That group of losers on offense have no business beating an NFL team. I'm not a Bears fan, but I actually feel bad for Cutler, Marshall, and Forte. Playing 3 on 11 can't be any fun.
 
2013-01-10 03:34:06 PM
I'm surprised this name hasn't been thrown around at all, but where is LaDainian Tomlinson in this conversation? He was a player that had a sterling reputation throughout the league as a great player, but once he got to the AFC title game and took himself out on the first series on the sprained MCL, he became a running joke. Everything from action figures and pictures of him sitting on the bench with his helmet on, to the constant questioning of whether or not he was a winner. I always thought this was a more apt comparison because Rivers played that game on an ACL injury that needed surgery, and he was widely praised.
 
2013-01-10 03:37:58 PM

coolio mack: I'm surprised this name hasn't been thrown around at all, but where is LaDainian Tomlinson in this conversation? He was a player that had a sterling reputation throughout the league as a great player, but once he got to the AFC title game and took himself out on the first series on the sprained MCL, he became a running joke. Everything from action figures and pictures of him sitting on the bench with his helmet on, to the constant questioning of whether or not he was a winner. I always thought this was a more apt comparison because Rivers played that game on an ACL injury that needed surgery, and he was widely praised.


He also got mocked for complaining about the Patriots using the Chargers' dances and typically performed pretty poorly in the playoffs.
 
2013-01-10 03:44:36 PM
Blaming Jay Cutler for stuff is right behind Romo-hating and Sanchez-loling in the NFL.
 
2013-01-10 03:47:06 PM
I don't blame Cutler at all. If in fact he decided not to play that's his own decision and whatever heat he takes he takes.

RGIII should have been taken out by Shanahan. Saying you can't play and having the coach/docs say you can't play are 2 different things. You can tell by RGIII's mentality that he's very close to The Black Knight, he'd go out there and play if he had to drag himself using ear flexing to get him to the huddle.

Okay maybe you don't pull him at 14-0 but after halftime, when he had just put up about 4 yards on 3 drives because he couldn't run, you make him sit.

It's like a manager in baseball, if the starter goes out and had a 5 run lead but then gives up 3 and isn't getting anyone out.....you bring in the relief. No one goes ape shiat on the starter for the coach pulling him, they DO go apeshiat on the coach when the 5-0 lead becomes a 5-7 deficit because you left the guy in too long.
 
2013-01-10 03:55:55 PM

IAmRight: coolio mack: I'm surprised this name hasn't been thrown around at all, but where is LaDainian Tomlinson in this conversation? He was a player that had a sterling reputation throughout the league as a great player, but once he got to the AFC title game and took himself out on the first series on the sprained MCL, he became a running joke. Everything from action figures and pictures of him sitting on the bench with his helmet on, to the constant questioning of whether or not he was a winner. I always thought this was a more apt comparison because Rivers played that game on an ACL injury that needed surgery, and he was widely praised.

He also got mocked for complaining about the Patriots using the Chargers' dances and typically performed pretty poorly in the playoffs.


True, but that has no relevance to what I'm talking about here.
 
2013-01-10 03:56:55 PM

SkittlesAreYum: Right, it wasn't Cutler's decision. Everyone just jumped to conclusions like idiots.


I'm not necessarily in this camp, but a lot of people ripped Cutler not for leaving the game... but pouting on the side, disengaged from the game and his teammates.
 
2013-01-10 04:04:15 PM
Unless Cutler applied the hit that cause the injury he is blameless.
 
2013-01-10 04:11:14 PM

coolio mack: True, but that has no relevance to what I'm talking about here.


Well, he was widely disregarded for many things, one of which was that sitting out moment.

downstairs: I'm not necessarily in this camp, but a lot of people ripped Cutler not for leaving the game... but pouting on the side, disengaged from the game and his teammates.


I personally made fun of him for sucking so badly that the third-stringer's play was a vast improvement on his performance.
 
2013-01-10 04:14:55 PM

kronicfeld: The better question is "How much of RG3's injury can be blamed upon the same mentality that caused people to ceaselessly bash Jay Cutler when he sat out with what they believed to be a questionable injury?" To that question, I say "a substantial amount."


That is a much better question to ask. And, as it happens, someone did.
 
2013-01-10 04:18:02 PM
I personally blame Rex Grossman. If he had been sexy enough, the Bears wouldn't have traded for Jay and this whole mess with RG3 never would've happened.
 
2013-01-10 04:20:56 PM

Electromax: I personally blame Rex Grossman. If he had been sexy enough, the Bears wouldn't have traded for Jay and this whole mess with RG3 never would've happened.


If he hadn't been TOO sexy, you mean.
 
2013-01-10 04:24:23 PM
RG3 has stated if Shanahan had benched him, Griffin would have defied Shanahan's orders and run limped out on that field anyways.  Griffin would have been in that huddle, even if a Shanahan-directed Kirk Cousins was in that huddle too.
 
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