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2013-01-10 04:16:12 PM

Heavens to Moobatroid!: The All-Powerful Atheismo: you know, I got banned once for mentioning a certain poster's name who likes to post some quotes about god and tinfoil hats and brainwaves and whatnot.
And all I said was he was trolling.
How is that farking fair?

It isn't and is one of those things that could easily be overturned with a message to Farkback.

That said, I would bet almost any amount of money that you are forgetting some minor detail in how you are reporting what actually happened in this story.


Except you'd be wrong. The ridiculous part is that I wasn't the only one who called this poster a troll, either in that thread or on a regular basis. And if you know who I am talking about you know that's true.
 
2013-01-10 04:17:12 PM

PanicMan: James!: How do I know they're disrupting on purpose or just expressing their opinion in a shiatty way. Thought police.

Engage them in conversation? Also, I don't want you to start banning people left and right, but people are nicer when the sherrif is in town. Maybe a more visible presence would help?


I always heard about "teh mods", but to be honest, I don't know how that works here. I've lurked for the better part of a decade, just finally decided to make the leap to being more involved (read: I got a new, more boring job that let me devote time to posting). Can someone give me the Fark mod boot camp?
 
2013-01-10 04:17:20 PM
i581.photobucket.com

lulz
 
2013-01-10 04:17:53 PM

James!: And now I'm a troll. Awesome.


No, you have to remember the rules of being an asshole on fark. I can't call you a troll directly. I can, however, say that your posts suggest to me that you may be a troll, balanced by the idea that I can't be sure if you're just honestly that disingenuous in your daily life.

I really have no idea why you're being just outright hostile.

Genevieve Marie: sprawl15: What I want is for mods to be a moderating influence. You don't have to tell me that my opinion on X is stupid, just that if I'm going to argue X that I probably should do it through something other than an all caps rant about how all dims are stupid and furthermore comma.

Honestly, that works on some forums. I participate in some that are heavily moderated and where moderators are a very active influence on how the thread goes. That's really never been Fark's style though- most people here seem to prefer the mods stay out of the way as much as possible and only really be active when things start to go off the rails.

There are pros and cons to either approach.


Yeah, I mean, I'm not asking to get REEL EXTREEM moderation (some forums I've been on are pretty much 'any disagreement is OFF LIMITS!', swearing = ban, no jokes ever, etc), but the problem that's getting more and more prolific is the way that if you know the basic ways to dodge bans, you can pretty much get away with being as disruptive as you want. I mean, my troll alt post linked upthread was a joke about trolls in general (and about how people would bite on any idiotic thing), but were I to have used a non-obvious name (and, I assume, gotten around the whole IP address thing), it would be totally kosher to post as 'honest opinion' as long as I didn't break character on that account.

And I am certainly someone who probably wouldn't last long under harsher moderation, so it's not like I'm really looking to get much out of it personally. I just hate seeing good boards go bad.
 
2013-01-10 04:17:58 PM

Dr.Fey: A fantasy written by someone who imagines that's what happens.  Not as if there aren't enough actual zealous people out there that voluntarily and willfully (and frequently) post the craziness, any of whom could be easily hired.  If groups are truly paying "non-believers" to do this, why would this super-secret network be revealed anonymously on "consciouslifenews.com"?  After all, even if the author signed an NDA and then stepped forward and went public after no longer working there, who's going to sue to enforce it?

I also like how the editorial before and after kind of distances itself, yet gives it an overall endorsement of confidence.

Stupid.


Or maybe just an example of Israel-bashing done with more intelligence than usual. The sort of tactics he describes I have found to be far more prevalent on the left than the right.

sweetmelissa31: You may not have noticed, but there are people who post the same thing in every thread relating to certain topics. It could be that they are bored and have a strong but ridiculous opinion about a topic, or it could be that they are paid. There are more reasons to believe that someone was paid to make posts on the internet than to believe that someone made up a story about being paid to post on the internet. What does he have to gain from it?


Yeah, there are people like this. Some no doubt are paid. The thing is he's describing far more than simply supporting a position. It's that part of the story I find very questionable.
 
2013-01-10 04:18:11 PM

James!: sprawl15: James!: You don't want us becoming thought police.

I don't. But there is a middle ground between people just hitting F5 looking for personal attacks or pickle incidents and a cadre of psychic post Nazis. What is the role of a moderator at a debate? They don't control the opinions being put out, but they control the way they're being put out, to ensure a civil and productive discussion. They wouldn't tolerate Romney calling Obama a knob gobbler, nor would they tolerate Obama's pickle trick, but that's not the entirety of their job while the candidates are arguing.

What I want is for mods to be a moderating influence. You don't have to tell me that my opinion on X is stupid, just that if I'm going to argue X that I probably should do it through something other than an all caps rant about how all dims are stupid and furthermore comma.

The way the rules are set up, they're very, very easy to get around if you wanted to just be an asshole to people. And as long as you dodge the bans, it doesn't matter what people think.

Jesus christ, now we're responsible for maintaining a particular style of posting?  That is really what you want?


No, you're not, but you do have a choice whether Fark wants to be a site that host an actual, real-live community, or one that is cool with alts/bots/paid shills spamming threads to increase the comment counts and page views.

From my POV, it seems to be the latter, and I know I post on fark pretty rarely now compared to the good old days. I now post mostly on sites with a MUCH more robust conservative presence than Fark (I post a lot on Slate, for instance), the difference is that these sites tend to want to grow an actual community through discourse. They have mechanisms for weeding out the alts and threadshiatters and spammers who aren't interested in participating in the discussion or the community. If I challenge someone there, most of the time I get challenged back.

Fark's forums are slowly devolving into lists of copy/pastes from threadshiatters. The powers that be may be ok with that as long as it bumps up the page views, but the fact is that those threadshiatters are not the ones clicking through the ads and generating the actual revenue for the site.
 
2013-01-10 04:18:28 PM

James!: Nobodyn0se: James!: And now I'm a troll. Awesome.

If you'd actually argue against what we're actually arguing for, it wouldn't be an issue.

I honestly don't know what you guys want.  There are posters you think are trolls and you want them dealt with (you didn't say ban) you want discussion to not be disrupted.  You want an established scoreboard for arguments won and no one can bring those arguments back up?

You're all asking for a all kinds of things.


I think people would just like the obvious and blatant threadshiatting trolls to actually get dealt with when reported. When someone posts the same badly-written derp nonsense copypasta in ten different threads? It should get handled in some other way than the people complaining getting a 24 hour vacation. When someone posts virulent racist bullshiat? It should get handled in some other way than the people complaining getting a 24 hour vacation. This isn't difficult.
 
2013-01-10 04:18:46 PM

James!: Nobodyn0se: James!: And now I'm a troll. Awesome.

If you'd actually argue against what we're actually arguing for, it wouldn't be an issue.

I honestly don't know what you guys want.  There are posters you think are trolls and you want them dealt with (you didn't say ban) you want discussion to not be disrupted.  You want an established scoreboard for arguments won and no one can bring those arguments back up?

You're all asking for a all kinds of things.


And a pony! I want a pony!
 
2013-01-10 04:18:54 PM
One way to tell that I'm not a paid troll is that my viewpoints are consistant, but diverge from almost anybody's else's. I'm a strong Democrat because I think the Republicans are religious loons and am in favor of a strong safety net and of good government infrastructure and I think the military's budget is too big-but I am also in favor of gun rights (in fact, I wish the Democrats who STFU about it now because I think they will get creamed in 2014 because of the gun control stuff they are pushing now), and I think Citizen's United was correctly decided (because I am a huge first amendment guy). I am also quite anti-Israel (or more specifically, I'm pro-everybody-in-the-Middle-East-is-farking-nuts-so-we-should-just-but t-the-fark-out-and-not-take-sides). The combination of positions I've taken are ones nobody would pay for me to support.
 
2013-01-10 04:19:01 PM

James!: I honestly don't know what you guys want. There are posters you think are trolls and you want them dealt with (you didn't say ban) you want discussion to not be disrupted. You want an established scoreboard for arguments won and no one can bring those arguments back up?

You're all asking for a all kinds of things.


We want the disruptive behavior of people who are constantly disruptive to cause the interjection of the moderators. Threads are constantly being completely ruined by the same small subset of people who completely destroy what could have been productive threads. We want moderators to acknowledge this as a problem and develop some sort of plan to deal with it. We're not expecting miracles, but SOME sort of progress would make us all a million times happier with our Fark experience.
 
2013-01-10 04:19:09 PM

James!: And now I'm a troll. Awesome.


just wait until you see the bottom line of your Form 1099
 
2013-01-10 04:19:25 PM

TelemonianAjax: Genevieve Marie: sprawl15: What I want is for mods to be a moderating influence. You don't have to tell me that my opinion on X is stupid, just that if I'm going to argue X that I probably should do it through something other than an all caps rant about how all dims are stupid and furthermore comma.

Honestly, that works on some forums. I participate in some that are heavily moderated and where moderators are a very active influence on how the thread goes. That's really never been Fark's style though- most people here seem to prefer the mods stay out of the way as much as possible and only really be active when things start to go off the rails.

There are pros and cons to either approach.

One of the best moderated sites I go to is www.capitolfax.com. It's strictly focused on Illinois politics and moderated by the owner/operator. He bans someone just about every day and stays on top of all the threads, looking for drive by bumper sticker arguments and overly heated rhetoric. As a result, he has sitting and former elected officials commenting under their own name, as well as high level and experienced government workers who know the details and background of what's being discussed in the news. It's a great environment that is strictly curated for accuracy and usability, not ideology.

I don't mess around with forums except for there and here anymore. I tried looking at my local paper's section and I wept. Just wept.


Right there with you on the local paper's comment sections. Yeesh.

This is actually a good example though of a website needing to know their own brand. That site sounds like a serious site and it's moderated to ensure serious discussion and strict accountability. I post on a site that's history related, and the moderation is similar- everyone is kept strictly on topic and arguments need to be backed up with citations whenever possible.

That's not Fark though. That's not who we are- we're Not News. Users don't necessarily come here for Serious Debate. Some do of course, but that's not the overall character of the site. If we tried to mod it that way... it wouldn't really be true to what the site is.
 
2013-01-10 04:20:57 PM

mainstreet62: Weaver95: mainstreet62: Rev.K: How can I get paid to be a liberal shill?

Go on welfare.

oh very clever!  so...eat any good books lately?

I'm reading George Takei's new book on a government subsidized iPad paid directly by the increase of FICA taxes, taken directly from Tea Party members' pockets.

/seriously, I'm really reading that book


I'd like to read it, but I'm a dead trees kind of guy, and it's not available in that format. Ah well, I'll live without it, my to read pile is constantly massive anyway. Speaking of which, I should probably knock out the one I'm reading now (The Breach, a blow by blow account of the Clinton Impeachment) today. Some fiction next- A few HP Lovecraft pieces (I've been working my way through a collected works), then I don't know what. Probably a lighter piece of non-fiction, then I'll probably turn to a heavier book. Got plenty of that around, but I like to fit some shorter stuff in around the big works. Don Quixote if I go with fiction, probably Truman if I go with non-fiction. Knowing me, however, I might wind up pulling out the Shelby Foote Civil War series...
Wildly off topic and unsolicited I know, but I like to talk about books.
 
2013-01-10 04:21:15 PM

R.A.Danny: TelemonianAjax: I've got you favorited with the tag "Gun. Nut."

Can't argue with that one. One of the few things that gets under my skin along with hurting kids. I've stepped back for the most part though, I don't see most of the people in those threads right now as having real opinions of their own, they're just harping what they read on bumper stickers (both sides guilty of that).


I only ignore obvious threadshiatters like 10 Lbs or IC Weener, after observing that nothing useful flows from their posts. It does help clean up the threads a bit, but I try to keep my ignores as few as possible. I use various shades of red to express how much I dislike a poster, the darker it gets the closer I am to ignoring.

I've learned a lot about the gun control debate in the last month, and you're part of that. We don't agree in the least, but you've never rubbed me the wrong way (in case you need a warm fuzzy from an internet stranger today). So. Thanks?
 
2013-01-10 04:21:40 PM

Geotpf: The combination of positions I've taken are ones nobody would pay for me to support.


As if you couldn't have more than one client. Lobbyists are scum.
 
2013-01-10 04:21:52 PM

TelemonianAjax: PanicMan: James!: How do I know they're disrupting on purpose or just expressing their opinion in a shiatty way. Thought police.

Engage them in conversation? Also, I don't want you to start banning people left and right, but people are nicer when the sherrif is in town. Maybe a more visible presence would help?

I always heard about "teh mods", but to be honest, I don't know how that works here. I've lurked for the better part of a decade, just finally decided to make the leap to being more involved (read: I got a new, more boring job that let me devote time to posting). Can someone give me the Fark mod boot camp?


Back in the early times...when the internet was dial up...there were no Mods.  Then when men got to arguing and that lead to fighting and that lead to war that blew us all up.  So they invented Mods.  And now we get cupcakes.
 
2013-01-10 04:22:01 PM
I would like to be on Meme Patrol. Where should I start?
 
2013-01-10 04:22:47 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: Amazing how the usual suspects faded away after the elections.


it could be as easy as "burned out"
 
2013-01-10 04:23:34 PM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: I would like to be on Meme Patrol. Where should I start?


By making a humorous captioned image that says, "MEME PATROL!!!!" -- preferably with a kitten or Morgan Freeman.
 
2013-01-10 04:24:19 PM

Genevieve Marie: That's not Fark though. That's not who we are- we're Not News. Users don't necessarily come here for S ...


At least when it comes to Politics, I think a fair amount of serious debate can happen alongside the snark and the humor. I like to think of it as a place where you can shoot the shiat with folks and no one's going to mind if you lighten the mood. Some people (like me) like to shoot the shiat about serious, national topics and expand our understanding of them at the same time, and this is the best place I've found for that. It straddles the serious and the silly, like the London Philharmonic performing a retrospective of Beck's discography.
 
2013-01-10 04:24:34 PM

TelemonianAjax: but you've never rubbed me the wrong way (in case you need a warm fuzzy from an internet stranger today). So. Thanks?


Favorited as "Internet nut cupping"
 
2013-01-10 04:24:50 PM

James!: Sure he was.


This.

/Bullshiat story is bullshiat
 
2013-01-10 04:24:53 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: Geotpf: The combination of positions I've taken are ones nobody would pay for me to support.

As if you couldn't have more than one client. Lobbyists are scum.


I suppose this is true, although people like lobbyists (and paid trolls) tend to surf amoungst likeminded individuals. That is, you have leftie lobbyists who might work for both Planned Parenthood and Greenpeace and others who work for both the NRA and the Chamber of Commerce, but one who works with Greenpeace and the NRA would be rare. I'm sure they exist, though.
 
2013-01-10 04:25:20 PM

Geotpf: One way to tell that I'm not a paid troll is that my viewpoints are consistant, but diverge from almost anybody's else's. I'm a strong Democrat because I think the Republicans are religious loons and am in favor of a strong safety net and of good government infrastructure and I think the military's budget is too big-but I am also in favor of gun rights (in fact, I wish the Democrats who STFU about it now because I think they will get creamed in 2014 because of the gun control stuff they are pushing now), and I think Citizen's United was correctly decided (because I am a huge first amendment guy). I am also quite anti-Israel (or more specifically, I'm pro-everybody-in-the-Middle-East-is-farking-nuts-so-we-should-just-but t-the-fark-out-and-not-take-sides). The combination of positions I've taken are ones nobody would pay for me to support.


You are far from unique. Every single gun thread has a number of posters that I, Boulder Liberal UiH, agree with enough to Favorite. Then they start with the, what I will politely call, one-handed posting about their gun collection...

Different strokes I guess.
 
2013-01-10 04:25:31 PM
Y'know, usually my opinion on mods is that they can go soak.
But I'm with 'em here.
 
2013-01-10 04:25:33 PM
I will now post the word Turkey multiple times in order to summon the spirit of Serdar Argic to this thread

Oh great Serdar, originator of the internet trolls, I summon thee

Turkey, Turkey, Turkey

Come to this forum, I beseeche thee

Turkey Turkey Turkey

In a recipe or a discussion of the bird
You appear at the mention of the word
To troll of a genocide that might never have been
For it's nothing you've ever seen

Turkey Turkey Turkey!
 
2013-01-10 04:25:43 PM

Geotpf: Lenny_da_Hog: Geotpf: The combination of positions I've taken are ones nobody would pay for me to support.

As if you couldn't have more than one client. Lobbyists are scum.

I suppose this is true, although people like lobbyists (and paid trolls) tend to surf amoungst likeminded individuals. That is, you have leftie lobbyists who might work for both Planned Parenthood and Greenpeace and others who work for both the NRA and the Chamber of Commerce, but one who works with Greenpeace and the NRA would be rare. I'm sure they exist, though.


It pays the bills.
 
2013-01-10 04:25:46 PM
s7.postimage.org
 
2013-01-10 04:26:07 PM

sprawl15: Yeah, I mean, I'm not asking to get REEL EXTREEM moderation (some forums I've been on are pretty much 'any disagreement is OFF LIMITS!', swearing = ban, no jokes ever, etc), but the problem that's getting more and more prolific is the way that if you know the basic ways to dodge bans, you can pretty much get away with being as disruptive as you want. I mean, my troll alt post linked upthread was a joke about trolls in general (and about how people would bite on any idiotic thing), but were I to have used a non-obvious name (and, I assume, gotten around the whole IP address thing), it would be totally kosher to post as 'honest opinion' as long as I didn't break character on that account.

And I am certainly someone who probably wouldn't last long under harsher moderation, so it's not like I'm really looking to get much out of it personally. I just hate seeing good boards go bad.


Understood. Just also understand that for us, it's constant judgement calls on stuff that does get pretty subjective. We don't even always agree with each other about the right approach (although we do try to come to a consensus wherever we disagree). We have to walk a fine line between being too heavy handed and too permissive, and we're never going to make everyone happy. We just do our best.

And just a reminder to everyone- please do use the notify buttons on threads that you feel are going south. It helps us find things faster and do our jobs better.
 
2013-01-10 04:26:36 PM

James!: make me some tea: James!: sweetmelissa31: James!: Is it because I'm part of the conspiracy? Can my code name be Viper?

Some people are paid to post things on the internet. It's not much of a conspiracy. You are just an over-zealous moderator.

Yes, article writers, content creators, comic artists, advertisers.  All paid.

I'd like to be paid to post on Fark. Where do I sign up?

Meet me at the top of the empire state building at midnight on Friday... bring a duck.


It won't work - ducks actually can fly.
 
2013-01-10 04:27:05 PM

TelemonianAjax: Genevieve Marie: That's not Fark though. That's not who we are- we're Not News. Users don't necessarily come here for S ...

At least when it comes to Politics, I think a fair amount of serious debate can happen alongside the snark and the humor. I like to think of it as a place where you can shoot the shiat with folks and no one's going to mind if you lighten the mood. Some people (like me) like to shoot the shiat about serious, national topics and expand our understanding of them at the same time, and this is the best place I've found for that. It straddles the serious and the silly, like the London Philharmonic performing a retrospective of Beck's discography.


I don't mind the political discussions until they change to the matter of the weights of cheeses and such, then they tend to become pointless and I leave.

On a side note, are you allowed to call someone out if they are a known alt for someone who is in the thread already, or is that also against the rules?
 
2013-01-10 04:27:23 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: James!: Nobodyn0se: James!: And now I'm a troll. Awesome.

If you'd actually argue against what we're actually arguing for, it wouldn't be an issue.

I honestly don't know what you guys want.  There are posters you think are trolls and you want them dealt with (you didn't say ban) you want discussion to not be disrupted.  You want an established scoreboard for arguments won and no one can bring those arguments back up?

You're all asking for a all kinds of things.

I think people would just like the obvious and blatant threadshiatting trolls to actually get dealt with when reported. When someone posts the same badly-written derp nonsense copypasta in ten different threads? It should get handled in some other way than the people complaining getting a 24 hour vacation. When someone posts virulent racist bullshiat? It should get handled in some other way than the people complaining getting a 24 hour vacation. This isn't difficult.


If you think someone is disrupting use the red bar at the bottom.  We may not agree with you, but we'll go through the thread and look at what's happening.  If you think someone is being disruptive and go on to flame the shiat out of them we may agree with you, but you've still broken a rule and that might lead to you doing some time as well.  At that point you're basically calling the mods on yourself as well.
 
2013-01-10 04:27:41 PM

Rev. Skarekroe: Y'know, usually my opinion on mods is that they can go soak.
But I'm with 'em here.


Calgon!!!  Take me away!!!
 
2013-01-10 04:29:37 PM

Nobodyn0se: James!: I honestly don't know what you guys want. There are posters you think are trolls and you want them dealt with (you didn't say ban) you want discussion to not be disrupted. You want an established scoreboard for arguments won and no one can bring those arguments back up?

You're all asking for a all kinds of things.

We want the disruptive behavior of people who are constantly disruptive to cause the interjection of the moderators. Threads are constantly being completely ruined by the same small subset of people who completely destroy what could have been productive threads. We want moderators to acknowledge this as a problem and develop some sort of plan to deal with it. We're not expecting miracles, but SOME sort of progress would make us all a million times happier with our Fark experience.


Like dudes that say the same off topic thing over an over and over in a thread?

Um. I hate to be the one that breaks this to you Lil' Slugger but self-awareness isn't exactly your strong suit,
 
2013-01-10 04:30:13 PM

Nobodyn0se: James!: I honestly don't know what you guys want. There are posters you think are trolls and you want them dealt with (you didn't say ban) you want discussion to not be disrupted. You want an established scoreboard for arguments won and no one can bring those arguments back up?

You're all asking for a all kinds of things.

We want the disruptive behavior of people who are constantly disruptive to cause the interjection of the moderators. Threads are constantly being completely ruined by the same small subset of people who completely destroy what could have been productive threads. We want moderators to acknowledge this as a problem and develop some sort of plan to deal with it. We're not expecting miracles, but SOME sort of progress would make us all a million times happier with our Fark experience.


What you think is disruptive behavior another farker may think is a hilarious joke.

This is not the place to site specific examples, but if you have them I'd suggest sending them to farkback.
 
2013-01-10 04:30:21 PM
Wonder how many paid shills are on reddit.

Wouldnt they get downvoted to hell and just go....elsewhere.
 
2013-01-10 04:30:28 PM
Genevieve Marie:

And just a reminder to everyone- please do use the notify buttons on threads that you feel are going south. It helps us find things faster and do our jobs better.

This.  We aren't everywhere all the time.  And some of you have expressed disdain for the buttons or the response or lack of response you get from Mods.  But it really does help.  Sometimes we agree with the report.  Sometimes we don't.  But if it isn't reported, we might not visit that thread, or visiting that thread we might miss the comment or series of comments.  We aren't perfect...just really, really good looking.
 
2013-01-10 04:31:14 PM

FitzShivering: TelemonianAjax: Genevieve Marie: That's not Fark though. That's not who we are- we're Not News. Users don't necessarily come here for S ...

At least when it comes to Politics, I think a fair amount of serious debate can happen alongside the snark and the humor. I like to think of it as a place where you can shoot the shiat with folks and no one's going to mind if you lighten the mood. Some people (like me) like to shoot the shiat about serious, national topics and expand our understanding of them at the same time, and this is the best place I've found for that. It straddles the serious and the silly, like the London Philharmonic performing a retrospective of Beck's discography.

I don't mind the political discussions until they change to the matter of the weights of cheeses and such, then they tend to become pointless and I leave.

On a side note, are you allowed to call someone out if they are a known alt for someone who is in the thread already, or is that also against the rules?


I have no clue about the etiquette of that. I can't say I follow closely enough to discern who is an alt and who is authentic. I'm still in the one-on-one conversation mode. Despite being (nominally) an "IT Professional" and working with tech, I really don't understand how a lot of basic social media/forums work because I've been too busy L-I-V-I-N to get too deep. Now that the election's over and I'm done with local politics for a bit while I move, I'm filling the void.
 
2013-01-10 04:31:27 PM
That's terrible. Who would sink so low and resort to such Bush League Tactics? The left would, that's who. Did you know there using the tragedy at Newtown, CT to try to deny you your Constitootional rights to defend yourself? Fortunately, we have organizations full of freedom loving Americans like the NRA and Freedom Works to stop this hard left turn towards Tyranny. I know I'm going to be joining them. I hope the rest of you will too so we can show Obama who really runs this Country.
 
2013-01-10 04:31:28 PM
Crap, I never knew most of you were Moderators.

Huh.

/slinks off to troll the Bronies in some other thread while the cops aren't looking.
 
2013-01-10 04:31:53 PM

brap: Like dudes that say the same off topic thing over an over and over in a thread?

Um. I hate to be the one that breaks this to you Lil' Slugger but self-awareness isn't exactly your strong suit,


You would have a point if this was the third time this week I had turned an unrelated thread into a discussion about the mods and trolling.

I haven't, so you don't.
 
2013-01-10 04:33:26 PM

Genevieve Marie: sprawl15: What I want is for mods to be a moderating influence. You don't have to tell me that my opinion on X is stupid, just that if I'm going to argue X that I probably should do it through something other than an all caps rant about how all dims are stupid and furthermore comma.

Honestly, that works on some forums. I participate in some that are heavily moderated and where moderators are a very active influence on how the thread goes. That's really never been Fark's style though- most people here seem to prefer the mods stay out of the way as much as possible and only really be active when things start to go off the rails.

There are pros and cons to either approach.


I FAR prefer fark's approach. I had some difficulty recently on HFBoards (yeah, I'm gonna name names) with one mod in particular who had a very biased approach to a particular topic, and it influenced his moderating. Heavily. He was using his influence as a moderator to remove and intimidate people posting opposing viewpoints, but he didn't have any awareness of his own bias. He just thought he was working hard to keep a thread on a heated topic under control. The trouble was that he had a massive double standard depending on what side of the debate you were arguing on.

On Fark, while you have a lot more crap that doesn't get removed, discussion is much more open and honest here. Moderators don't wind up controlling the debate and stifling other opinions, and IMO, it's always better to have more speech than less. I can ignore the shills and trolls, but if there's a mod playing thought police, that is very, very bad if you want honest discussion.
 
2013-01-10 04:33:29 PM

Nobodyn0se: You would have a point if this was the third time this week I had turned an unrelated thread into a discussion about the mods and trolling.

I haven't, so you don't.


quizzicaldog.jpg..

/I think he is talking about THIS thread.
 
2013-01-10 04:33:36 PM

TelemonianAjax: PanicMan: James!: How do I know they're disrupting on purpose or just expressing their opinion in a shiatty way. Thought police.

Engage them in conversation? Also, I don't want you to start banning people left and right, but people are nicer when the sherrif is in town. Maybe a more visible presence would help?

I always heard about "teh mods", but to be honest, I don't know how that works here. I've lurked for the better part of a decade, just finally decided to make the leap to being more involved (read: I got a new, more boring job that let me devote time to posting). Can someone give me the Fark mod boot camp?


I can't. I've been here for about as long and I still don't understand The Rules.
 
2013-01-10 04:33:45 PM

Genevieve Marie: sweetmelissa31: James!: Almost daily people say we're paid by WND/KOS/Daily Mail/Entertainment Weekly to green links. And I said side not trolls, taking a side doesn't make someone a troll.

Nobody in this thread is saying that. People are saying that there are some organizations that probably pay people to make posts on the internet. You're dismissing it as either a "conspiracy theory" or as a way of classifying everyone who has a different opinion.

For what it's worth, I see your argument and I agree that there are probably campaigns who make sure their social media people spend time on the more highly trafficked forums and we definitely can't guarantee that they never use Fark. I think what gets irksome is the implication that we're in on it, or that Fark aids and abets that.

We have to assume all posters are arguing in good faith and we can't try to guess at a user's intentions for the most part. That would get really subjective really  fast.


Nail on the head. That there are motivated posters who could be termed shills (motivated by money is only a subset) out there is true. A lot of them seem to post in order to disrupt otherwise (mostly) reasonable discourse. Given its popularity and high profile, do they show up oon Fark? I would assume so. I absolutely do not believe that Fark explicitly condons or permits this.
 
2013-01-10 04:33:59 PM
If you do use the notify buttons at the bottom and are wondering what we did about it you can go to this page:  http://www.fark.com/comments/911

Comments you make in notify will be posted there and you'll see our action as the delete reason.  Usually it's either "Got it" or "False Alarm" but sometimes we leave special notes.
 
2013-01-10 04:34:09 PM

James!: What you think is disruptive behavior another farker may think is a hilarious joke.

This is not the place to site specific examples, but if you have them I'd suggest sending them to farkback.



I don't care if they think it's a hilarious joke or not. If they constantly disrupt thread after thread with the same crap, the mods should intervene.
 
2013-01-10 04:34:17 PM

Gulper Eel: R.A.Danny: They guy is well paid, but the company is in a run down building with a dirty office in a crap neighborhood. The thing of film noir legends.

Not without a blonde...the kind of blonde to make a bishop kick a hole in a stained-glass window.


I knew Mickey Spillane was still kicking!
 
2013-01-10 04:34:57 PM
It would be nice to have a tagging and collection site on the side for us to exchange notes about who is a troll, not a troll, and trying to convince us they aren't a troll or someone else is. Post citations and examples in threads.

Not a formal fark function, but a great way for use normal users to keep our ignore lists up to date.
 
2013-01-10 04:35:30 PM

Lonestar: Why am I not being payed?
Well for starters, do you have an opinion that is shared by a lot of people on the internet? For example, if you are a left leaning democrat, they dont need you to defend their point of view. Perhaps this will change in the future when they see the power of doing so, especially in gun threads. If you are a religious, right leaning and you are good at arguing on the internet, apply now to your political action commitee for your chosen political view, they might not pay a lot but they can pay you in goodies, caps or meetings with representatives. Basically you wont be paied, but you will feel rewarded somemuch.


Well I think I know why YOU'RE not being paid!
 
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