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(Some Guy)   "I was a paid internet shill: For a little over six months, I was paid to spread disinformation and argue political points on the Internet"   (consciouslifenews.com) divider line 1071
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2013-01-10 11:30:50 AM  

James!: Meet me at the top of the empire state building at midnight on Friday... bring a duck.


Getting a duck through security might be a challenge, but I'll do my best!
 
2013-01-10 11:31:05 AM  

mahuika: I doubt anyone is paid to JUST post fake graphs and then leave, but that doesn't mean people aren't paid for a bunch of stuff, including being asked to post fake graphs that, like, the Heritage Foundation made and then leave.

 
2013-01-10 11:31:40 AM  

mahuika: James!: what_now: James!: Is it because I'm part of the conspiracy? Can my code name be Viper?

Look, we know that Romney paid to get more Twitter followers. We know that every campaign hires people to monitor facebook.

Of COURSE the campaigns have people paid to spread the message via social network. This isn't scandalous or shocking, and I don't think its some nefarious plot to undermine the "integrity" of fark.

There are a lot of people on here with whom I strongly disagree on everything, yet I don't block them because they make actual points.

And then there are people who post stupid photoshops and fake graphs or drop one inflammatory post in a thread and never post again, and I have the vast majority of those people blocked because they add nothing to the conversation.

If I was paying someone to advance a position I'd want them to do more than just post fake graphs and then leave.

You see Bart, some people are just jerks.

My old company had us make fake reddit accounts and upvote things they posted. I doubt anyone is paid to JUST post fake graphs and then leave, but that doesn't mean people aren't paid for a bunch of stuff, including fake graphs that, like, the Heritage Foundation made and then leave.


How much would you pay someone for that?  Also, seriously you don't think people would gladly do that for free? You spend a considerable amount of time watching the freepers do you think they wouldn't come over here and do that shiat for free?
 
2013-01-10 11:32:06 AM  

make me some tea: James!: Meet me at the top of the empire state building at midnight on Friday... bring a duck.

Getting a duck through security might be a challenge, but I'll do my best!


This is your first test.
 
2013-01-10 11:33:01 AM  
He forgot to include the part where he had to wear a trench coat and fedora to work every day. There also needed to be more about the fear he now has for his safety, perhaps an account or two of his slipping a tail. You can't write a piece like this without the phrase "slipped my tail." Needed more dames, too. Lots more dames. Other than that, I believe this completely and without question.
 
2013-01-10 11:33:40 AM  
hmm...I wonder if they're still hiring...
 
2013-01-10 11:33:58 AM  

mahuika: James!: what_now: James!: Is it because I'm part of the conspiracy? Can my code name be Viper?

Look, we know that Romney paid to get more Twitter followers. We know that every campaign hires people to monitor facebook.

Of COURSE the campaigns have people paid to spread the message via social network. This isn't scandalous or shocking, and I don't think its some nefarious plot to undermine the "integrity" of fark.

There are a lot of people on here with whom I strongly disagree on everything, yet I don't block them because they make actual points.

And then there are people who post stupid photoshops and fake graphs or drop one inflammatory post in a thread and never post again, and I have the vast majority of those people blocked because they add nothing to the conversation.

If I was paying someone to advance a position I'd want them to do more than just post fake graphs and then leave.

You see Bart, some people are just jerks.

My old company had us make fake reddit accounts and upvote things they posted. I doubt anyone is paid to JUST post fake graphs and then leave, but that doesn't mean people aren't paid for a bunch of stuff, including fake graphs that, like, the Heritage Foundation made and then leave.


I've got a friend who runs a company that provides an "online reputation enhancement" service. Which means he posts fake Yelp reviews, fake comments on Facebook, etc., promoting whatever it is his clients wish to promote. I can assure you that this is definitely real. No idea whether the author of that article is telling the truth, but it is out being done, and it's becoming a big industry.
 
2013-01-10 11:36:56 AM  

James!: How much would you pay someone for that? Also, seriously you don't think people would gladly do that for free? You spend a considerable amount of time watching the freepers do you think they wouldn't come over here and do that shiat for free?


Again, I don't think it's unlikely that companies or businesses that benefit from people believing certain things and supporting certain things use their salaried employees to say those certain things, or to create strawmen who say the opposite. It's not that they are being paid to say a certain thing.

Example: I used to basically be a administrative assistant. We were paid a salary for doing office stuff. Every week they'd send around an email asking us to comment and upvote stuff that they posted on various social media cites, such as Digg, Reddit, Facebook, Twitter, etc. We had a sponsor in a golf tournament who had our companies logo on it. A coworker and I were told to have a fake argument over this guy on reddit, because it would cause people to click the image and see our logo.
 
2013-01-10 11:37:50 AM  
Although I think paid posters exist, I am calling shenigans on this one for several reasons:
1) no verifiable details
2) old building (people wouldn't need to work at a particular location and this would make it more problematic to conceal IP patterns/origins, in San Francisco with the most expensive real-estate anywhere no less)
3) focus on writing skills (the focus would be volume)
4) telling a great writer about using a Thesaurus
5) you wouldn't limit anyone to a fixed number of blogs.  To avoid people being identified as shills it would make sense to spread posts across as many blogs as possible rather than focusing on certain blogs.  You would want all poster posting to as many blogs as possible to avoid obvious patterns
6) doesn't mention: reporting/auditing which would be half the job
 
2013-01-10 11:38:00 AM  

James!: I mean honestly, is there a vast conspiracy paying people to argue with you on the internet or did some dude troll Above Top Secret?  Honestly?


stranger things have happened.  i'm willing to bet there are a couple people/organizations that use fark (and other popular websites) to manipulate public opinion.  you can quibble about the extent of said manipulation or the motives behind it...but I have little doubt it's being done.  notice how some of our 'post and run' trolls have evaporated from the politics tab now that the elections are over?  I sure have...and I don't think i'm the only one either.  Can I prove beyond any possibility of any doubt that fark has paid political trolls infesting various tabs?  no.  But is it reasonable to believe that we've got a couple out there?  sure.
 
2013-01-10 11:38:30 AM  
I miss Gary.

imageshack.us
 
2013-01-10 11:38:46 AM  

Pocket Ninja: He forgot to include the part where he had to wear a trench coat and fedora to work every day. There also needed to be more about the fear he now has for his safety, perhaps an account or two of his slipping a tail. You can't write a piece like this without the phrase "slipped my tail." Needed more dames, too. Lots more dames. Other than that, I believe this completely and without question.


The dame that got him the job had a pout like a kitten and legs that went all the way to China, he just forgot to mention it.
 
2013-01-10 11:40:43 AM  

mahuika: James!: How much would you pay someone for that? Also, seriously you don't think people would gladly do that for free? You spend a considerable amount of time watching the freepers do you think they wouldn't come over here and do that shiat for free?

Again, I don't think it's unlikely that companies or businesses that benefit from people believing certain things and supporting certain things use their salaried employees to say those certain things, or to create strawmen who say the opposite. It's not that they are being paid to say a certain thing.

Example: I used to basically be a administrative assistant. We were paid a salary for doing office stuff. Every week they'd send around an email asking us to comment and upvote stuff that they posted on various social media cites, such as Digg, Reddit, Facebook, Twitter, etc. We had a sponsor in a golf tournament who had our companies logo on it. A coworker and I were told to have a fake argument over this guy on reddit, because it would cause people to click the image and see our logo.


You know what, now that you mention it Mountaindewrox43's enthusiasm for the Xgames does seem suspicious...
 
2013-01-10 11:41:32 AM  
funny thing about conspiracies....truth is sometimes stranger than fiction.  after reading the story behind the Glomar Explorer (and the fact that the gotdamn thing actually worked) suddenly the idea of paid internet shills doesn't seem so weird.
 
2013-01-10 11:41:45 AM  
Well, I, for one, am shocked, SHOCKED, that such a thing exists.
 
2013-01-10 11:41:56 AM  

sigdiamond2000: I'd bet everything I own in the world that there are people who are paid to post on Fark.


Well, back when I had a different amount of free time and was in the top five of all-time headline greenlit submitters, I would occasionally have some corporate marketing genius try to get me to post a headline pimping their stuff.  I'd always refuse and forward the request to Drew.  I'm sure that goes on all the time.  I know it's how 40below made his first few million.

That said, I have to agree with palladiate and the Agent code named Viper.  I'd like to see some actual proof of someone hiring random strangers without strong views to push a political agenda as opposed to encouraging the already-converted to do so.  [Citation, please]

*I made that up.  He runs an escort service.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-10 11:42:25 AM  
This sort of thing is common.  I don't know much about the political paid trolls, but it is very common for businesses.  There are companies that specialize in this even for individuals.
 
2013-01-10 11:43:14 AM  

Weaver95: James!: I mean honestly, is there a vast conspiracy paying people to argue with you on the internet or did some dude troll Above Top Secret?  Honestly?

stranger things have happened.  i'm willing to bet there are a couple people/organizations that use fark (and other popular websites) to manipulate public opinion.  you can quibble about the extent of said manipulation or the motives behind it...but I have little doubt it's being done.  notice how some of our 'post and run' trolls have evaporated from the politics tab now that the elections are over?  I sure have...and I don't think i'm the only one either.  Can I prove beyond any possibility of any doubt that fark has paid political trolls infesting various tabs?  no.  But is it reasonable to believe that we've got a couple out there?  sure.


I used to only give a shiat about fark around election years.  My OG login started durring the 2006 election and after it was over I farked off to TFD for like 6 months cause I was tired of talking about politics.
 
2013-01-10 11:43:17 AM  
"Paid internet shill" is just someone who doesn't agree with you, and furthermore comma
 
2013-01-10 11:44:36 AM  

vpb: This sort of thing is common.  I don't know much about the political paid trolls, but it is very common for businesses.  There are companies that specialize in this even for individuals.


again - can I prove beyond a doubt that a given fark account is a paid shill?  no.  But is it likely we've got paid shills on fark?  yup.  just tracking the uptick in throw away accounts during the run up period to the elections would more than prove that claim.
 
2013-01-10 11:45:11 AM  
"Jackson Herring" is just the name of the person I pay to be my friend on Fark dot com.
 
2013-01-10 11:45:14 AM  
You mean I can get paid to do this?

Who knew.
 
2013-01-10 11:45:39 AM  

Jackson Herring: "Paid internet shill" is just someone who doesn't agree with you, and furthermore comma


Who pays you?
 
2013-01-10 11:46:21 AM  

mahuika: A coworker and I were told to have a fake argument over this guy on reddit, because it would cause people to click the image and see our logo.


A likely story, PERSON WHO DOES NOT AGREE WITH ME
 
2013-01-10 11:46:57 AM  

James!: Jackson Herring: "Paid internet shill" is just someone who doesn't agree with you, and furthermore comma

Who pays you?


My posts are priceless.
 
2013-01-10 11:47:40 AM  
James!:
I used to only give a shiat about fark around election years.  My OG login started durring the 2006 election and after it was over I farked off to TFD for like 6 months cause I was tired of talking about politics.

all i'm saying is that there's some rather strange cycles that happen in the politics tab.  I spend a LOT of time there, more than I probably should...so I (and likely a few others) noticed the influx of suddenly dormant accounts 'waking up', posting slanted and extremely consistent view points, and then evaporating again after the elections were done.  were they shill accounts?  people who suddenly decided to log in after a long absence to chime in on issues important to them?  got me.  maybe a little bit of both.
 
2013-01-10 11:48:39 AM  

Jackson Herring: James!: Jackson Herring: "Paid internet shill" is just someone who doesn't agree with you, and furthermore comma

Who pays you?

My posts are priceless.


Did you mean to type price or worth?
 
2013-01-10 11:48:47 AM  

sweetmelissa31: "Jackson Herring" is just the name of the person I pay to be my friend on Fark dot com.


All these years and I've liked you for free.  I feel ripped off.
 
2013-01-10 11:48:53 AM  

Mentat: I miss Gary.

[imageshack.us image 500x332]


after years of jousting with him, i finally had to put ol' gary on ignore. i still got the feeling that he wasn't a troll; rather, that he actually did fervently feel what he was posting.

whatever happened to him? is he still on fark?
 
2013-01-10 11:49:17 AM  

BillCo: You mean I can get paid to do this?

Who knew.


I can't believe I get to rip your ideology apart for free.
 
2013-01-10 11:50:20 AM  

BillCo: You mean I can get paid to do this?

Who knew.


Better start advertising your services....
 
2013-01-10 11:50:47 AM  

mrshowrules: All these years and I've liked you for free. I feel ripped off.


That's just how the Market works, Mrs. How Rules.
 
2013-01-10 11:51:16 AM  
So how many McCain points did he finish with?
 
2013-01-10 11:51:17 AM  

James!: Did you mean to type price or worth?


Weird, that is formatted almost exactly the same as a "personal attack" that recently got me in trouble.
 
2013-01-10 11:51:20 AM  

James!: I mean honestly, is there a vast conspiracy paying people to argue with you on the internet or did some dude troll Above Top Secret?  Honestly?


Oh you would say that.  You're in LEAGUE with them!!

GET HIM!!
 
2013-01-10 11:52:25 AM  

gilgigamesh: James!: I mean honestly, is there a vast conspiracy paying people to argue with you on the internet or did some dude troll Above Top Secret?  Honestly?

Oh you would say that.  You're in LEAGUE with them!!

GET HIM!!


I KNEW IT ALL ALONG
 
2013-01-10 11:53:10 AM  

Weaver95: James!:
I used to only give a shiat about fark around election years.  My OG login started durring the 2006 election and after it was over I farked off to TFD for like 6 months cause I was tired of talking about politics.

all i'm saying is that there's some rather strange cycles that happen in the politics tab.  I spend a LOT of time there, more than I probably should...so I (and likely a few others) noticed the influx of suddenly dormant accounts 'waking up', posting slanted and extremely consistent view points, and then evaporating again after the elections were done.  were they shill accounts?  people who suddenly decided to log in after a long absence to chime in on issues important to them?  got me.  maybe a little bit of both.


I would say poke your head out and look around the other threads a bit.  I noticed people I usually only see in TFD or Sports threads suddenly take an interest in politics.  Some people came out of the woodwork from years ago, but accounts don't expire.  We used to have a larger contingent of rightwing political tab farkers who left for one reason or another.  You used to be one of them.   Some new people joined up and that was noted and remarked upon with great suspicion.
 
2013-01-10 11:54:59 AM  
Dammit, I wish I got paid for sharing my opinions with the internet.

They're totally worth it, I promise. SOMEONE GIVE ME A FEW DOLLARS TO TALK ABOUT FEMINISM PLEASE!

Or just listen when I do it, and I'll do it for free....

/Here's a dollar, please validate me.
 
2013-01-10 11:55:46 AM  

Jackson Herring: James!: Did you mean to type price or worth?

Weird, that is formatted almost exactly the same as a "personal attack" that recently got me in trouble.


I'm not the person to bring any recent troubles to, but there is a mechanism in place if you have concerns
 
2013-01-10 11:55:50 AM  

sweetmelissa31: "Jackson Herring" is just the name of the person I pay to be my friend on Fark dot com.


"Another fat dog with comic sans text over? That is IT, I demand a raise."
 
2013-01-10 11:56:15 AM  

James!: noted and remarked upon with great suspicion.


I can only imagine my Fark dossier.

Boring
Boring
Boring
DAMN he likes to troll truckers!
Boring
Boring
Boring
Boring
He hates cheeseheads too!
Boring
Well, duh, he's a drunk and likes tits.
Boring
Gun nut
Boring
Boring....
 
2013-01-10 11:57:11 AM  
FTFA: Each popular poster was classified as "hostile," "friendly," or "indifferent" to my goal.

I wonder what the shills (if any) have me classified as...
 
2013-01-10 11:58:57 AM  
aaaaaaand red.
 
2013-01-10 11:59:46 AM  

James!: sweetmelissa31: James!: Some people are so wildly self absorbed that they think people have to be paid to disagree with them.

Nobody thinks that everyone who disagrees with them is paid. But there are some fairly obvious trolls whom I'm sure you notice, but have your own reasons to claim they are not trolls.

Are they trolls or do they just not agree with the majority of farkers?  It's more conspiracy nonsense.  People think their opinions are so right and beautiful that anyone who disagrees is an obvious troll. Having a contrary opinion in a harsh way? Obvious troll.  Consistently having a contrary opinion? Obvious paid troll.  Having a consistently contrary opinion and not being banned? ZOMG OBVIOUS PAID MOD TROLL!!!


So are you saying there is no such thing as internet forum shills? Do you need citations?

Ive been participating pretty consistently in the poli threads since 2004. And the number of posters who I suspect are shills has  increased drastically since then. I expect that this has to do with political organizations becoming more net savvy in combination with Fark becoming more well known.

Back in the day when TGOT or Wever95 would post an opinion I didnt agree with it was pretty easy to tell they were sincere. When the Patriot Act came out it affected these guys big time. TGOT posted a sad and puzzled good-bye thread in TFD and Weaver95 eventually became a solid Dem supporter.

I notice you have been spending some more time in these poli threads in the last 6 months (?) or so and I , for one, appreciate an overt Mod presence. But to imply that I call someone a shill just because they disagree with me is a pretty glib insult on your part.

I am not a stupid person. I read very quickly and I enjoy a good debate. I am always respectful. I may tease a bit but I never insult. I really value a good opponent in a political debate. Unfortunately there are very few of those left here. Most of the discussions I get into with "conservatives" here at Fark become oddly circular and nonsensical. They repeat the same easily disproved "fact" over and over as though it was a revelation. They say the same things in every thread - often with only the most tangential relationship to the thread topic.

Eventually I come to the conclusion that they are shills because real people dont argue like that. Real people get tired of typing exactly the same sentence over and over. Real people dont have a file full of copy pasta responses that they rehash over and over.

The main problem (from your standpoint) is that ultimately these paid shills are dull. They drive real unpaid posters away because these guys are just boring and annoying to respond to.

I am very very disappointed in your assessment of the situation. I am not a shallow person. I do not require that everyone agree with me for me to take their point of view seriously but I would like them to be sincere in their arguments. That Fark consistently turns a blind eye to blatant shilling has always been something of a mystery to me.
 
2013-01-10 11:59:48 AM  

James!: HAHAHAAH green? Oh fark.


Not anymore.

Wonder why the admins pulled it? Too controversial? A repeat? MAYBE THE MOD/MINS ARE IN ON THE GIG

*dons tinfoil hat*

/and, of course, getting no answer will only STRENGTHEN the paranoia
//and getting ANY answer will also strengthen the paranoia, because I KNOW THEY'RE LYING TO ME, THE VOICES TOLD ME SO
///...
////I think my blood sugar is getting too low
 
2013-01-10 12:00:12 PM  

Rev.K: aaaaaaand red.


It looks like the powers that be rethought it since it's going to be a nightmare of troll accusations and calling out people not in the thread.
 
2013-01-10 12:00:33 PM  

Genevieve Marie: Dammit, I wish I got paid for sharing my opinions with the internet.

They're totally worth it, I promise. SOMEONE GIVE ME A FEW DOLLARS TO TALK ABOUT FEMINISM PLEASE!

Or just listen when I do it, and I'll do it for free....

/Here's a dollar, please validate me.


They won't pay you for it if they know you will do it for free:

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-01-10 12:01:05 PM  
Red?!?!?!  THE FIX IS ON!!!!
 
2013-01-10 12:02:54 PM  

James!: Rev.K: aaaaaaand red.

It looks like the powers that be rethought it since it's going to be a nightmare of troll accusations and calling out people not in the thread.


Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuure that's the reason. Yep.

R.A.Danny: Red?!?!?!  THE FIX IS ON!!!!


INORITE!!!?!?
 
2013-01-10 12:03:21 PM  

James!: Rev.K: aaaaaaand red.

It looks like the powers that be rethought it since it's going to be a nightmare of troll accusations and calling out people not in the thread.


Probably for the best. Between the people that think Drew has trolls on the payroll and this, it would be a real shiatstorm.
 
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