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2013-01-10 09:41:18 AM  
I wonder how many of these we have at FARK...
 
2013-01-10 09:41:57 AM  

NowhereMon: I wonder how many of these we have at FARK...


That depends, do you mean individual people, or accounts?
 
2013-01-10 09:47:09 AM  
Sure he was.
 
2013-01-10 09:49:13 AM  

DammitIForgotMyLogin: NowhereMon: I wonder how many of these we have at FARK...

That depends, do you mean individual people, or accounts?


Both.
 
2013-01-10 09:58:31 AM  
"For a little over six months, I was paid to spread disinformation and argue political points on the Internet" "I would have kept doing it if the pay was better."

Fixed for whoever it is.
 
2013-01-10 10:09:28 AM  
They guy is well paid, but the company is in a run down building with a dirty office in a crap neighborhood. The thing of film noir legends.

Shenanigans.
 
2013-01-10 10:09:47 AM  
I'm guessing they do exist on Fark. I can't think of anything else to explain the long list of known threadsh*tters who show up in every single thread about a particular topic.
 
2013-01-10 10:12:24 AM  

R.A.Danny: They guy is well paid, but the company is in a run down building with a dirty office in a crap neighborhood. The thing of film noir legends.


Not without a blonde...the kind of blonde to make a bishop kick a hole in a stained-glass window.
 
2013-01-10 10:13:00 AM  

Gulper Eel: Not without a blonde...the kind of blonde to make a bishop kick a hole in a stained-glass window.


HA!
 
2013-01-10 10:15:58 AM  

Rev.K: I'm guessing they do exist on Fark. I can't think of anything else to explain the long list of known threadsh*tters who show up in every single thread about a particular topic.


I don't think that's the proof so much as they last a couple months, and then disappear to be replaced with an entirely new login created 4 days previously saying the exact same things.
 
2013-01-10 10:21:39 AM  

James!: Sure he was.


Of course!

She gave me only a phone-number and an address, in one of the seedier parts of San Francisco
"They don't have a website. Or even a name. You'll see. Just tell them I referred you."
...this "company" changed its name almost monthly
"You can't tell anyone what we do here. Not your wife, not your dog."
"We'll give you a cover story and even a phone number and a fake website you can use."
...making my living lying and heckling people who come online to express their views and exercise freedom of speech


A fantasy written by someone who imagines that's what happens.  Not as if there aren't enough actual zealous people out there that voluntarily and willfully (and frequently) post the craziness, any of whom could be easily hired.  If groups are truly paying "non-believers" to do this, why would this super-secret network be revealed anonymously on "consciouslifenews.com"?  After all, even if the author signed an NDA and then stepped forward and went public after no longer working there, who's going to sue to enforce it?

I also like how the editorial before and after kind of distances itself, yet gives it an overall endorsement of confidence.

Stupid.
 
2013-01-10 10:29:54 AM  
I see that he is still getting paid by the word.
 
2013-01-10 10:34:16 AM  

James!: Sure he was.


Are you just skeptical because you're a Moderator, and trolls tend to increase the number of posts in a thread and the number of times articles are viewed?

You may not have noticed, but there are people who post the same thing in every thread relating to certain topics. It could be that they are bored and have a strong but ridiculous opinion about a topic, or it could be that they are paid. There are more reasons to believe that someone was paid to make posts on the internet than to believe that someone made up a story about being paid to post on the internet. What does he have to gain from it?
 
2013-01-10 10:41:56 AM  

sweetmelissa31: James!: Sure he was.

Are you just skeptical because you're a Moderator, and trolls tend to increase the number of posts in a thread and the number of times articles are viewed?

You may not have noticed, but there are people who post the same thing in every thread relating to certain topics. It could be that they are bored and have a strong but ridiculous opinion about a topic, or it could be that they are paid. There are more reasons to believe that someone was paid to make posts on the internet than to believe that someone made up a story about being paid to post on the internet. What does he have to gain from it?


1 Of course there are paid posters.  They've existed since the days when usenet was where people talked about stuff.

2 The linked bit was B- HS level creative writing.  The author should stick to writing about things he knows and work on his adjectives.

3 I pop up to say something bad about Reagan whenever his name is mentioned not because I'm paid, but because I'm still pissed off.
 
2013-01-10 10:42:04 AM  

sweetmelissa31: James!: Sure he was.

Are you just skeptical because you're a Moderator, and trolls tend to increase the number of posts in a thread and the number of times articles are viewed?

You may not have noticed, but there are people who post the same thing in every thread relating to certain topics. It could be that they are bored and have a strong but ridiculous opinion about a topic, or it could be that they are paid. There are more reasons to believe that someone was paid to make posts on the internet than to believe that someone made up a story about being paid to post on the internet. What does he have to gain from it?


Some people are so wildly self absorbed that they think people have to be paid to disagree with them.  We have the same kinds of people jumping into every circumcision thread or tattoo thread making the same arguments too.  Are they also paid?
 
2013-01-10 10:43:19 AM  
"Tear down that wall"

Still brings a tear to my eye.

did that for free
 
2013-01-10 10:44:00 AM  
I mean honestly, is there a vast conspiracy paying people to argue with you on the internet or did some dude troll Above Top Secret?  Honestly?
 
2013-01-10 10:46:04 AM  

sweetmelissa31: James!: Sure he was.

Are you just skeptical because you're a Moderator, and trolls tend to increase the number of posts in a thread and the number of times articles are viewed?

You may not have noticed, but there are people who post the same thing in every thread relating to certain topics. It could be that they are bored and have a strong but ridiculous opinion about a topic, or it could be that they are paid. There are more reasons to believe that someone was paid to make posts on the internet than to believe that someone made up a story about being paid to post on the internet. What does he have to gain from it?


It came out that Limbaugh has paid actors call his show so I suspect that paid trolls exist
 
2013-01-10 10:46:20 AM  

James!: Some people are so wildly self absorbed that they think people have to be paid to disagree with them.


Nobody thinks that everyone who disagrees with them is paid. But there are some fairly obvious trolls whom I'm sure you notice, but have your own reasons to claim they are not trolls.
 
2013-01-10 10:47:36 AM  

Dr.Fey: James!: Sure he was.

Of course!

She gave me only a phone-number and an address, in one of the seedier parts of San Francisco
"They don't have a website. Or even a name. You'll see. Just tell them I referred you."
...this "company" changed its name almost monthly
"You can't tell anyone what we do here. Not your wife, not your dog."
"We'll give you a cover story and even a phone number and a fake website you can use."
...making my living lying and heckling people who come online to express their views and exercise freedom of speech

A fantasy written by someone who imagines that's what happens.  Not as if there aren't enough actual zealous people out there that voluntarily and willfully (and frequently) post the craziness, any of whom could be easily hired.  If groups are truly paying "non-believers" to do this, why would this super-secret network be revealed anonymously on "consciouslifenews.com"?  After all, even if the author signed an NDA and then stepped forward and went public after no longer working there, who's going to sue to enforce it?

I also like how the editorial before and after kind of distances itself, yet gives it an overall endorsement of confidence.

Stupid.


Not sure if article is legit but this definitely occurs.  Stealth marketing has existed for many years.  It just a no-brainer that political organizations are using this method to one degree or another.  I think you would be naive to think otherwise.  A cluster of people in a run down building seems phony though.
 
2013-01-10 10:48:35 AM  
It is much easier to create a blog and hire the moderators to push your BS.
 
2013-01-10 10:53:15 AM  

sweetmelissa31: James!: Some people are so wildly self absorbed that they think people have to be paid to disagree with them.

Nobody thinks that everyone who disagrees with them is paid. But there are some fairly obvious trolls whom I'm sure you notice, but have your own reasons to claim they are not trolls.


Are they trolls or do they just not agree with the majority of farkers?  It's more conspiracy nonsense.  People think their opinions are so right and beautiful that anyone who disagrees is an obvious troll. Having a contrary opinion in a harsh way? Obvious troll.  Consistently having a contrary opinion? Obvious paid troll.  Having a consistently contrary opinion and not being banned? ZOMG OBVIOUS PAID MOD TROLL!!!
 
2013-01-10 10:54:07 AM  

MrBallou: Off topic: Anybody heard from BillCo lately? I'm worried about him.


He's a few threads down spreading his usual wisdom, warmth, and good cheer
 
2013-01-10 10:54:17 AM  

GAT_00: Rev.K: I'm guessing they do exist on Fark. I can't think of anything else to explain the long list of known threadsh*tters who show up in every single thread about a particular topic.

I don't think that's the proof so much as they last a couple months, and then disappear to be replaced with an entirely new login created 4 days previously saying the exact same things.


It's easy to pick them out, they pretty much only show up during election season, then disappear as soon as it's over. Something about their posting style just doesn't fit with the culture here, because they aren't part of it. After several years of spending time on the Politics tab, they're pretty obvious me. I generally just scroll past their stupid propaganda garbage. It gets kinda maddening to see them stir up a thread, though. I wish folks would just ignore em and move on.
 
2013-01-10 10:55:23 AM  
Nobody is saying that the majority of people who disagree with them is a paid troll. But some exist. You have a reason to ignore them, and are therefore freaking out.
 
2013-01-10 10:55:29 AM  
How can I get paid to be a liberal shill?
 
2013-01-10 10:56:40 AM  

Rev.K: How can I get paid to be a liberal shill?


According to the paid trolls, we're actually paying $5.00 a month to do that now
 
2013-01-10 10:57:01 AM  

sweetmelissa31: Nobody is saying that the majority of people who disagree with them is a paid troll. But some exist. You have a reason to ignore them, and are therefore freaking out.


Is it because I'm part of the conspiracy?  Can my code name be Viper?
 
2013-01-10 10:58:16 AM  

James!: Are they trolls or do they just not agree with the majority of farkers?


Exactly. Coming to Fark not knowing the demographics and getting upset that you're being lambasted then you're in the wrong place.
 
2013-01-10 10:58:56 AM  

James!: Is it because I'm part of the conspiracy? Can my code name be Viper?


Some people are paid to post things on the internet. It's not much of a conspiracy. You are just an over-zealous moderator.
 
2013-01-10 11:00:10 AM  

R.A.Danny: James!: Are they trolls or do they just not agree with the majority of farkers?

Exactly. Coming to Fark not knowing the demographics and getting upset that you're being lambasted then you're in the wrong place.


You have to have a thick skin to be a conservative farker.  You know it, you're pretty conservative on a number of issues yourself.  I'm sure someone has you on their list of paid shills.
 
2013-01-10 11:00:58 AM  

sweetmelissa31: James!: Is it because I'm part of the conspiracy? Can my code name be Viper?

Some people are paid to post things on the internet. It's not much of a conspiracy. You are just an over-zealous moderator.


Yes, article writers, content creators, comic artists, advertisers.  All paid.
 
2013-01-10 11:03:01 AM  

James!: R.A.Danny: James!: Are they trolls or do they just not agree with the majority of farkers?

Exactly. Coming to Fark not knowing the demographics and getting upset that you're being lambasted then you're in the wrong place.

You have to have a thick skin to be a conservative farker.  You know it, you're pretty conservative on a number of issues yourself.  I'm sure someone has you on their list of paid shills.


I'm just a gun nut and I don't like pedophile sympathizers. Other than that I lean a bit to the left on a lot of issues.

Yeah, I'm way to the right of Chicago though, but Chicago politics are on a different plane. A lot of people don't get that.
 
2013-01-10 11:05:12 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: According to the paid trolls, we're actually paying $5.00 a month to do that now


Hahaha!
 
2013-01-10 11:06:42 AM  

James!: sweetmelissa31: James!: Is it because I'm part of the conspiracy? Can my code name be Viper?

Some people are paid to post things on the internet. It's not much of a conspiracy. You are just an over-zealous moderator.

Yes, article writers, content creators, comic artists, advertisers.  All paid.


I'd like to be paid to post on Fark. Where do I sign up?
 
2013-01-10 11:08:13 AM  

make me some tea: James!: sweetmelissa31: James!: Is it because I'm part of the conspiracy? Can my code name be Viper?

Some people are paid to post things on the internet. It's not much of a conspiracy. You are just an over-zealous moderator.

Yes, article writers, content creators, comic artists, advertisers.  All paid.

I'd like to be paid to post on Fark. Where do I sign up?


Meet me at the top of the empire state building at midnight on Friday... bring a duck.
 
2013-01-10 11:11:48 AM  

James!: It's more conspiracy nonsense.


I'm going to coach this with a "I don't know of any paid internet trolls," but back in the dark days of 2004 I manage a stalking horse campaign here in sunny NC that elected one of the worst representatives in the US House. I kinda had a pretty big meltdown afterward and will never, ever associate myself with the Republican party in this state ever again.

Already a shady operation to split the Democrat vote, we kind of illegally employeed a debt-collection call center to put out fake campaign calls for the opposition. Essentially a bunch of folks tenuously employed were given the "option" to "volunteer." It was pretty effective, and we wanted new ways to push opinion.

Now, one of my ideas at the time was to push consensus building on the internet, but there wasn't a lot of support around it, as it hadn't been proven to work elsewhere before. So, do I know if anyone ever really started to try it? No. Do I still think I had a great idea that was seriously probably sorta very evil? Hell yes. If it isn't happening at some level I'd be seriously surprised.

Although with a few years thought behind it, I'd rather pay to shepherd an army of activists to troll for me. There's lots of folks here on both political sides that have no problem derping it up for free. Plus you get a lot more deniability, certainly more than trying to hide donations of call center volunteer time and facilities.
 
2013-01-10 11:14:45 AM  

James!: sweetmelissa31: James!: Is it because I'm part of the conspiracy? Can my code name be Viper?

Some people are paid to post things on the internet. It's not much of a conspiracy. You are just an over-zealous moderator.

Yes, article writers, content creators, comic artists, advertisers. All paid.


I'd bet everything I own in the world that there are people who are paid to post on Fark. I'd be shocked if there wasn't.

This shouldn't be surprising or controversial. It's not even really a "conspiracy.". Astroturfing pre-dates the internet.

That said, the linked article does set off my bullsh*t meter.
 
2013-01-10 11:14:45 AM  

Rev.K: How can I get paid to be a liberal shill?


Yeah, I didn't know there was funding available!
 
2013-01-10 11:16:24 AM  

palladiate: James!: It's more conspiracy nonsense.

I'm going to coach this with a "I don't know of any paid internet trolls," but back in the dark days of 2004 I manage a stalking horse campaign here in sunny NC that elected one of the worst representatives in the US House. I kinda had a pretty big meltdown afterward and will never, ever associate myself with the Republican party in this state ever again.

Already a shady operation to split the Democrat vote, we kind of illegally employeed a debt-collection call center to put out fake campaign calls for the opposition. Essentially a bunch of folks tenuously employed were given the "option" to "volunteer." It was pretty effective, and we wanted new ways to push opinion.

Now, one of my ideas at the time was to push consensus building on the internet, but there wasn't a lot of support around it, as it hadn't been proven to work elsewhere before. So, do I know if anyone ever really started to try it? No. Do I still think I had a great idea that was seriously probably sorta very evil? Hell yes. If it isn't happening at some level I'd be seriously surprised.

Although with a few years thought behind it, I'd rather pay to shepherd an army of activists to troll for me. There's lots of folks here on both political sides that have no problem derping it up for free. Plus you get a lot more deniability, certainly more than trying to hide donations of call center volunteer time and facilities.


You're kind of one the same page as me.  Why would anyone need to pay someone to argue on the internet?  People have been doing it for free for over a decade now.
 
2013-01-10 11:20:38 AM  

sigdiamond2000: James!: sweetmelissa31: James!: Is it because I'm part of the conspiracy? Can my code name be Viper?

Some people are paid to post things on the internet. It's not much of a conspiracy. You are just an over-zealous moderator.

Yes, article writers, content creators, comic artists, advertisers. All paid.

I'd bet everything I own in the world that there are people who are paid to post on Fark. I'd be shocked if there wasn't.

This shouldn't be surprising or controversial. It's not even really a "conspiracy.". Astroturfing pre-dates the internet.

That said, the linked article does set off my bullsh*t meter.


I'm sure there are people who are paid to advance a political opinion who post on fark, but I highly doubt their being paid for posting on fark. We have bloggers from both sides of almost any issue who happen to be members here.  Some of them participate, some just link to their own blog from time to time.

But to say that there is someone whose job is to argue on fark? It's silly.
 
2013-01-10 11:21:00 AM  

James!: Is it because I'm part of the conspiracy? Can my code name be Viper?


Look, we know that Romney paid to get more Twitter followers. We know that every campaign hires people to monitor facebook.

Of COURSE the campaigns have people paid to spread the message via social network. This isn't scandalous or shocking, and I don't think its some nefarious plot to undermine the "integrity" of fark.

There are a lot of people on here with whom I strongly disagree on everything, yet I don't block them because they make actual points.

And then there are people who post stupid photoshops and fake graphs or drop one inflammatory post in a thread and never post again, and I have the vast majority of those people blocked because they add nothing to the conversation.
 
2013-01-10 11:23:15 AM  

what_now: James!: Is it because I'm part of the conspiracy? Can my code name be Viper?

Look, we know that Romney paid to get more Twitter followers. We know that every campaign hires people to monitor facebook.

Of COURSE the campaigns have people paid to spread the message via social network. This isn't scandalous or shocking, and I don't think its some nefarious plot to undermine the "integrity" of fark.

There are a lot of people on here with whom I strongly disagree on everything, yet I don't block them because they make actual points.

And then there are people who post stupid photoshops and fake graphs or drop one inflammatory post in a thread and never post again, and I have the vast majority of those people blocked because they add nothing to the conversation.


If I was paying someone to advance a position I'd want them to do more than just post fake graphs and then leave.

You see Bart, some people are just jerks.
 
2013-01-10 11:24:22 AM  
HAHAHAAH green? Oh fark.
 
2013-01-10 11:24:57 AM  

James!: HAHAHAAH green? Oh fark.


HAHAHA!!!
 
2013-01-10 11:25:46 AM  

sweetmelissa31: James!: Sure he was.

Are you just skeptical because you're a Moderator, and trolls tend to increase the number of posts in a thread and the number of times articles are viewed?

You may not have noticed, but there are people who post the same thing in every thread relating to certain topics. It could be that they are bored and have a strong but ridiculous opinion about a topic, or it could be that they are paid. There are more reasons to believe that someone was paid to make posts on the internet than to believe that someone made up a story about being paid to post on the internet. What does he have to gain from it?


I think that this happens (political shill commenters, I mean), but something seems off or at least exaggerated about the article itself.
 
2013-01-10 11:25:53 AM  
Has Romney's number of Likes on Facebook fallen to zero?

Or is it more like a long, slow burning tire fire?
 
2013-01-10 11:26:28 AM  
This smells like bullshiat.
 
2013-01-10 11:28:50 AM  
(Writing has always been a hobby for me).

You don't say?  This reads like "My First Detective Story".
 
2013-01-10 11:29:25 AM  

James!: what_now: James!: Is it because I'm part of the conspiracy? Can my code name be Viper?

Look, we know that Romney paid to get more Twitter followers. We know that every campaign hires people to monitor facebook.

Of COURSE the campaigns have people paid to spread the message via social network. This isn't scandalous or shocking, and I don't think its some nefarious plot to undermine the "integrity" of fark.

There are a lot of people on here with whom I strongly disagree on everything, yet I don't block them because they make actual points.

And then there are people who post stupid photoshops and fake graphs or drop one inflammatory post in a thread and never post again, and I have the vast majority of those people blocked because they add nothing to the conversation.

If I was paying someone to advance a position I'd want them to do more than just post fake graphs and then leave.

You see Bart, some people are just jerks.


My old company had us make fake reddit accounts and upvote things they posted. I doubt anyone is paid to JUST post fake graphs and then leave, but that doesn't mean people aren't paid for a bunch of stuff, including fake graphs that, like, the Heritage Foundation made and then leave.
 
2013-01-10 11:30:50 AM  

James!: Meet me at the top of the empire state building at midnight on Friday... bring a duck.


Getting a duck through security might be a challenge, but I'll do my best!
 
2013-01-10 11:31:05 AM  

mahuika: I doubt anyone is paid to JUST post fake graphs and then leave, but that doesn't mean people aren't paid for a bunch of stuff, including being asked to post fake graphs that, like, the Heritage Foundation made and then leave.

 
2013-01-10 11:31:40 AM  

mahuika: James!: what_now: James!: Is it because I'm part of the conspiracy? Can my code name be Viper?

Look, we know that Romney paid to get more Twitter followers. We know that every campaign hires people to monitor facebook.

Of COURSE the campaigns have people paid to spread the message via social network. This isn't scandalous or shocking, and I don't think its some nefarious plot to undermine the "integrity" of fark.

There are a lot of people on here with whom I strongly disagree on everything, yet I don't block them because they make actual points.

And then there are people who post stupid photoshops and fake graphs or drop one inflammatory post in a thread and never post again, and I have the vast majority of those people blocked because they add nothing to the conversation.

If I was paying someone to advance a position I'd want them to do more than just post fake graphs and then leave.

You see Bart, some people are just jerks.

My old company had us make fake reddit accounts and upvote things they posted. I doubt anyone is paid to JUST post fake graphs and then leave, but that doesn't mean people aren't paid for a bunch of stuff, including fake graphs that, like, the Heritage Foundation made and then leave.


How much would you pay someone for that?  Also, seriously you don't think people would gladly do that for free? You spend a considerable amount of time watching the freepers do you think they wouldn't come over here and do that shiat for free?
 
2013-01-10 11:32:06 AM  

make me some tea: James!: Meet me at the top of the empire state building at midnight on Friday... bring a duck.

Getting a duck through security might be a challenge, but I'll do my best!


This is your first test.
 
2013-01-10 11:33:01 AM  
He forgot to include the part where he had to wear a trench coat and fedora to work every day. There also needed to be more about the fear he now has for his safety, perhaps an account or two of his slipping a tail. You can't write a piece like this without the phrase "slipped my tail." Needed more dames, too. Lots more dames. Other than that, I believe this completely and without question.
 
2013-01-10 11:33:40 AM  
hmm...I wonder if they're still hiring...
 
2013-01-10 11:33:58 AM  

mahuika: James!: what_now: James!: Is it because I'm part of the conspiracy? Can my code name be Viper?

Look, we know that Romney paid to get more Twitter followers. We know that every campaign hires people to monitor facebook.

Of COURSE the campaigns have people paid to spread the message via social network. This isn't scandalous or shocking, and I don't think its some nefarious plot to undermine the "integrity" of fark.

There are a lot of people on here with whom I strongly disagree on everything, yet I don't block them because they make actual points.

And then there are people who post stupid photoshops and fake graphs or drop one inflammatory post in a thread and never post again, and I have the vast majority of those people blocked because they add nothing to the conversation.

If I was paying someone to advance a position I'd want them to do more than just post fake graphs and then leave.

You see Bart, some people are just jerks.

My old company had us make fake reddit accounts and upvote things they posted. I doubt anyone is paid to JUST post fake graphs and then leave, but that doesn't mean people aren't paid for a bunch of stuff, including fake graphs that, like, the Heritage Foundation made and then leave.


I've got a friend who runs a company that provides an "online reputation enhancement" service. Which means he posts fake Yelp reviews, fake comments on Facebook, etc., promoting whatever it is his clients wish to promote. I can assure you that this is definitely real. No idea whether the author of that article is telling the truth, but it is out being done, and it's becoming a big industry.
 
2013-01-10 11:36:56 AM  

James!: How much would you pay someone for that? Also, seriously you don't think people would gladly do that for free? You spend a considerable amount of time watching the freepers do you think they wouldn't come over here and do that shiat for free?


Again, I don't think it's unlikely that companies or businesses that benefit from people believing certain things and supporting certain things use their salaried employees to say those certain things, or to create strawmen who say the opposite. It's not that they are being paid to say a certain thing.

Example: I used to basically be a administrative assistant. We were paid a salary for doing office stuff. Every week they'd send around an email asking us to comment and upvote stuff that they posted on various social media cites, such as Digg, Reddit, Facebook, Twitter, etc. We had a sponsor in a golf tournament who had our companies logo on it. A coworker and I were told to have a fake argument over this guy on reddit, because it would cause people to click the image and see our logo.
 
2013-01-10 11:37:50 AM  
Although I think paid posters exist, I am calling shenigans on this one for several reasons:
1) no verifiable details
2) old building (people wouldn't need to work at a particular location and this would make it more problematic to conceal IP patterns/origins, in San Francisco with the most expensive real-estate anywhere no less)
3) focus on writing skills (the focus would be volume)
4) telling a great writer about using a Thesaurus
5) you wouldn't limit anyone to a fixed number of blogs.  To avoid people being identified as shills it would make sense to spread posts across as many blogs as possible rather than focusing on certain blogs.  You would want all poster posting to as many blogs as possible to avoid obvious patterns
6) doesn't mention: reporting/auditing which would be half the job
 
2013-01-10 11:38:00 AM  

James!: I mean honestly, is there a vast conspiracy paying people to argue with you on the internet or did some dude troll Above Top Secret?  Honestly?


stranger things have happened.  i'm willing to bet there are a couple people/organizations that use fark (and other popular websites) to manipulate public opinion.  you can quibble about the extent of said manipulation or the motives behind it...but I have little doubt it's being done.  notice how some of our 'post and run' trolls have evaporated from the politics tab now that the elections are over?  I sure have...and I don't think i'm the only one either.  Can I prove beyond any possibility of any doubt that fark has paid political trolls infesting various tabs?  no.  But is it reasonable to believe that we've got a couple out there?  sure.
 
2013-01-10 11:38:30 AM  
I miss Gary.

imageshack.us
 
2013-01-10 11:38:46 AM  

Pocket Ninja: He forgot to include the part where he had to wear a trench coat and fedora to work every day. There also needed to be more about the fear he now has for his safety, perhaps an account or two of his slipping a tail. You can't write a piece like this without the phrase "slipped my tail." Needed more dames, too. Lots more dames. Other than that, I believe this completely and without question.


The dame that got him the job had a pout like a kitten and legs that went all the way to China, he just forgot to mention it.
 
2013-01-10 11:40:43 AM  

mahuika: James!: How much would you pay someone for that? Also, seriously you don't think people would gladly do that for free? You spend a considerable amount of time watching the freepers do you think they wouldn't come over here and do that shiat for free?

Again, I don't think it's unlikely that companies or businesses that benefit from people believing certain things and supporting certain things use their salaried employees to say those certain things, or to create strawmen who say the opposite. It's not that they are being paid to say a certain thing.

Example: I used to basically be a administrative assistant. We were paid a salary for doing office stuff. Every week they'd send around an email asking us to comment and upvote stuff that they posted on various social media cites, such as Digg, Reddit, Facebook, Twitter, etc. We had a sponsor in a golf tournament who had our companies logo on it. A coworker and I were told to have a fake argument over this guy on reddit, because it would cause people to click the image and see our logo.


You know what, now that you mention it Mountaindewrox43's enthusiasm for the Xgames does seem suspicious...
 
2013-01-10 11:41:32 AM  
funny thing about conspiracies....truth is sometimes stranger than fiction.  after reading the story behind the Glomar Explorer (and the fact that the gotdamn thing actually worked) suddenly the idea of paid internet shills doesn't seem so weird.
 
2013-01-10 11:41:45 AM  
Well, I, for one, am shocked, SHOCKED, that such a thing exists.
 
2013-01-10 11:41:56 AM  

sigdiamond2000: I'd bet everything I own in the world that there are people who are paid to post on Fark.


Well, back when I had a different amount of free time and was in the top five of all-time headline greenlit submitters, I would occasionally have some corporate marketing genius try to get me to post a headline pimping their stuff.  I'd always refuse and forward the request to Drew.  I'm sure that goes on all the time.  I know it's how 40below made his first few million.

That said, I have to agree with palladiate and the Agent code named Viper.  I'd like to see some actual proof of someone hiring random strangers without strong views to push a political agenda as opposed to encouraging the already-converted to do so.  [Citation, please]

*I made that up.  He runs an escort service.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-10 11:42:25 AM  
This sort of thing is common.  I don't know much about the political paid trolls, but it is very common for businesses.  There are companies that specialize in this even for individuals.
 
2013-01-10 11:43:14 AM  

Weaver95: James!: I mean honestly, is there a vast conspiracy paying people to argue with you on the internet or did some dude troll Above Top Secret?  Honestly?

stranger things have happened.  i'm willing to bet there are a couple people/organizations that use fark (and other popular websites) to manipulate public opinion.  you can quibble about the extent of said manipulation or the motives behind it...but I have little doubt it's being done.  notice how some of our 'post and run' trolls have evaporated from the politics tab now that the elections are over?  I sure have...and I don't think i'm the only one either.  Can I prove beyond any possibility of any doubt that fark has paid political trolls infesting various tabs?  no.  But is it reasonable to believe that we've got a couple out there?  sure.


I used to only give a shiat about fark around election years.  My OG login started durring the 2006 election and after it was over I farked off to TFD for like 6 months cause I was tired of talking about politics.
 
2013-01-10 11:43:17 AM  
"Paid internet shill" is just someone who doesn't agree with you, and furthermore comma
 
2013-01-10 11:44:36 AM  

vpb: This sort of thing is common.  I don't know much about the political paid trolls, but it is very common for businesses.  There are companies that specialize in this even for individuals.


again - can I prove beyond a doubt that a given fark account is a paid shill?  no.  But is it likely we've got paid shills on fark?  yup.  just tracking the uptick in throw away accounts during the run up period to the elections would more than prove that claim.
 
2013-01-10 11:45:11 AM  
"Jackson Herring" is just the name of the person I pay to be my friend on Fark dot com.
 
2013-01-10 11:45:14 AM  
You mean I can get paid to do this?

Who knew.
 
2013-01-10 11:45:39 AM  

Jackson Herring: "Paid internet shill" is just someone who doesn't agree with you, and furthermore comma


Who pays you?
 
2013-01-10 11:46:21 AM  

mahuika: A coworker and I were told to have a fake argument over this guy on reddit, because it would cause people to click the image and see our logo.


A likely story, PERSON WHO DOES NOT AGREE WITH ME
 
2013-01-10 11:46:57 AM  

James!: Jackson Herring: "Paid internet shill" is just someone who doesn't agree with you, and furthermore comma

Who pays you?


My posts are priceless.
 
2013-01-10 11:47:40 AM  
James!:
I used to only give a shiat about fark around election years.  My OG login started durring the 2006 election and after it was over I farked off to TFD for like 6 months cause I was tired of talking about politics.

all i'm saying is that there's some rather strange cycles that happen in the politics tab.  I spend a LOT of time there, more than I probably should...so I (and likely a few others) noticed the influx of suddenly dormant accounts 'waking up', posting slanted and extremely consistent view points, and then evaporating again after the elections were done.  were they shill accounts?  people who suddenly decided to log in after a long absence to chime in on issues important to them?  got me.  maybe a little bit of both.
 
2013-01-10 11:48:39 AM  

Jackson Herring: James!: Jackson Herring: "Paid internet shill" is just someone who doesn't agree with you, and furthermore comma

Who pays you?

My posts are priceless.


Did you mean to type price or worth?
 
2013-01-10 11:48:47 AM  

sweetmelissa31: "Jackson Herring" is just the name of the person I pay to be my friend on Fark dot com.


All these years and I've liked you for free.  I feel ripped off.
 
2013-01-10 11:48:53 AM  

Mentat: I miss Gary.

[imageshack.us image 500x332]


after years of jousting with him, i finally had to put ol' gary on ignore. i still got the feeling that he wasn't a troll; rather, that he actually did fervently feel what he was posting.

whatever happened to him? is he still on fark?
 
2013-01-10 11:49:17 AM  

BillCo: You mean I can get paid to do this?

Who knew.


I can't believe I get to rip your ideology apart for free.
 
2013-01-10 11:50:20 AM  

BillCo: You mean I can get paid to do this?

Who knew.


Better start advertising your services....
 
2013-01-10 11:50:47 AM  

mrshowrules: All these years and I've liked you for free. I feel ripped off.


That's just how the Market works, Mrs. How Rules.
 
2013-01-10 11:51:16 AM  
So how many McCain points did he finish with?
 
2013-01-10 11:51:17 AM  

James!: Did you mean to type price or worth?


Weird, that is formatted almost exactly the same as a "personal attack" that recently got me in trouble.
 
2013-01-10 11:51:20 AM  

James!: I mean honestly, is there a vast conspiracy paying people to argue with you on the internet or did some dude troll Above Top Secret?  Honestly?


Oh you would say that.  You're in LEAGUE with them!!

GET HIM!!
 
2013-01-10 11:52:25 AM  

gilgigamesh: James!: I mean honestly, is there a vast conspiracy paying people to argue with you on the internet or did some dude troll Above Top Secret?  Honestly?

Oh you would say that.  You're in LEAGUE with them!!

GET HIM!!


I KNEW IT ALL ALONG
 
2013-01-10 11:53:10 AM  

Weaver95: James!:
I used to only give a shiat about fark around election years.  My OG login started durring the 2006 election and after it was over I farked off to TFD for like 6 months cause I was tired of talking about politics.

all i'm saying is that there's some rather strange cycles that happen in the politics tab.  I spend a LOT of time there, more than I probably should...so I (and likely a few others) noticed the influx of suddenly dormant accounts 'waking up', posting slanted and extremely consistent view points, and then evaporating again after the elections were done.  were they shill accounts?  people who suddenly decided to log in after a long absence to chime in on issues important to them?  got me.  maybe a little bit of both.


I would say poke your head out and look around the other threads a bit.  I noticed people I usually only see in TFD or Sports threads suddenly take an interest in politics.  Some people came out of the woodwork from years ago, but accounts don't expire.  We used to have a larger contingent of rightwing political tab farkers who left for one reason or another.  You used to be one of them.   Some new people joined up and that was noted and remarked upon with great suspicion.
 
2013-01-10 11:54:59 AM  
Dammit, I wish I got paid for sharing my opinions with the internet.

They're totally worth it, I promise. SOMEONE GIVE ME A FEW DOLLARS TO TALK ABOUT FEMINISM PLEASE!

Or just listen when I do it, and I'll do it for free....

/Here's a dollar, please validate me.
 
2013-01-10 11:55:46 AM  

Jackson Herring: James!: Did you mean to type price or worth?

Weird, that is formatted almost exactly the same as a "personal attack" that recently got me in trouble.


I'm not the person to bring any recent troubles to, but there is a mechanism in place if you have concerns
 
2013-01-10 11:55:50 AM  

sweetmelissa31: "Jackson Herring" is just the name of the person I pay to be my friend on Fark dot com.


"Another fat dog with comic sans text over? That is IT, I demand a raise."
 
2013-01-10 11:56:15 AM  

James!: noted and remarked upon with great suspicion.


I can only imagine my Fark dossier.

Boring
Boring
Boring
DAMN he likes to troll truckers!
Boring
Boring
Boring
Boring
He hates cheeseheads too!
Boring
Well, duh, he's a drunk and likes tits.
Boring
Gun nut
Boring
Boring....
 
2013-01-10 11:57:11 AM  
FTFA: Each popular poster was classified as "hostile," "friendly," or "indifferent" to my goal.

I wonder what the shills (if any) have me classified as...
 
2013-01-10 11:58:57 AM  
aaaaaaand red.
 
2013-01-10 11:59:46 AM  

James!: sweetmelissa31: James!: Some people are so wildly self absorbed that they think people have to be paid to disagree with them.

Nobody thinks that everyone who disagrees with them is paid. But there are some fairly obvious trolls whom I'm sure you notice, but have your own reasons to claim they are not trolls.

Are they trolls or do they just not agree with the majority of farkers?  It's more conspiracy nonsense.  People think their opinions are so right and beautiful that anyone who disagrees is an obvious troll. Having a contrary opinion in a harsh way? Obvious troll.  Consistently having a contrary opinion? Obvious paid troll.  Having a consistently contrary opinion and not being banned? ZOMG OBVIOUS PAID MOD TROLL!!!


So are you saying there is no such thing as internet forum shills? Do you need citations?

Ive been participating pretty consistently in the poli threads since 2004. And the number of posters who I suspect are shills has  increased drastically since then. I expect that this has to do with political organizations becoming more net savvy in combination with Fark becoming more well known.

Back in the day when TGOT or Wever95 would post an opinion I didnt agree with it was pretty easy to tell they were sincere. When the Patriot Act came out it affected these guys big time. TGOT posted a sad and puzzled good-bye thread in TFD and Weaver95 eventually became a solid Dem supporter.

I notice you have been spending some more time in these poli threads in the last 6 months (?) or so and I , for one, appreciate an overt Mod presence. But to imply that I call someone a shill just because they disagree with me is a pretty glib insult on your part.

I am not a stupid person. I read very quickly and I enjoy a good debate. I am always respectful. I may tease a bit but I never insult. I really value a good opponent in a political debate. Unfortunately there are very few of those left here. Most of the discussions I get into with "conservatives" here at Fark become oddly circular and nonsensical. They repeat the same easily disproved "fact" over and over as though it was a revelation. They say the same things in every thread - often with only the most tangential relationship to the thread topic.

Eventually I come to the conclusion that they are shills because real people dont argue like that. Real people get tired of typing exactly the same sentence over and over. Real people dont have a file full of copy pasta responses that they rehash over and over.

The main problem (from your standpoint) is that ultimately these paid shills are dull. They drive real unpaid posters away because these guys are just boring and annoying to respond to.

I am very very disappointed in your assessment of the situation. I am not a shallow person. I do not require that everyone agree with me for me to take their point of view seriously but I would like them to be sincere in their arguments. That Fark consistently turns a blind eye to blatant shilling has always been something of a mystery to me.
 
2013-01-10 11:59:48 AM  

James!: HAHAHAAH green? Oh fark.


Not anymore.

Wonder why the admins pulled it? Too controversial? A repeat? MAYBE THE MOD/MINS ARE IN ON THE GIG

*dons tinfoil hat*

/and, of course, getting no answer will only STRENGTHEN the paranoia
//and getting ANY answer will also strengthen the paranoia, because I KNOW THEY'RE LYING TO ME, THE VOICES TOLD ME SO
///...
////I think my blood sugar is getting too low
 
2013-01-10 12:00:12 PM  

Rev.K: aaaaaaand red.


It looks like the powers that be rethought it since it's going to be a nightmare of troll accusations and calling out people not in the thread.
 
2013-01-10 12:00:33 PM  

Genevieve Marie: Dammit, I wish I got paid for sharing my opinions with the internet.

They're totally worth it, I promise. SOMEONE GIVE ME A FEW DOLLARS TO TALK ABOUT FEMINISM PLEASE!

Or just listen when I do it, and I'll do it for free....

/Here's a dollar, please validate me.


They won't pay you for it if they know you will do it for free:

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-01-10 12:01:05 PM  
Red?!?!?!  THE FIX IS ON!!!!
 
2013-01-10 12:02:54 PM  

James!: Rev.K: aaaaaaand red.

It looks like the powers that be rethought it since it's going to be a nightmare of troll accusations and calling out people not in the thread.


Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuure that's the reason. Yep.

R.A.Danny: Red?!?!?!  THE FIX IS ON!!!!


INORITE!!!?!?
 
2013-01-10 12:03:21 PM  

James!: Rev.K: aaaaaaand red.

It looks like the powers that be rethought it since it's going to be a nightmare of troll accusations and calling out people not in the thread.


Probably for the best. Between the people that think Drew has trolls on the payroll and this, it would be a real shiatstorm.
 
2013-01-10 12:05:10 PM  

James!: and calling out people not in the thread.


Some of that mighta been my bad, sorry.  I meant it respectfully toward the person I mentioned, anyway.  Oh well.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-10 12:06:22 PM  

James!: Rev.K: aaaaaaand red.

It looks like the powers that be rethought it since it's going to be a nightmare of troll accusations and calling out people not in the thread.


That would have been awesome!
 
2013-01-10 12:07:12 PM  

James!: Rev.K: aaaaaaand red.

It looks like the powers that be rethought it since it's going to be a nightmare of troll accusations and calling out people not in the thread.


Ok, serious answer. I almost called out the infamous "tinfoil to keep God out of their brainwaves" guy. So, I see your point.

Ok, now back to the silliness.

images.sodahead.com
 
2013-01-10 12:07:48 PM  

vpb: James!: Rev.K: aaaaaaand red.

It looks like the powers that be rethought it since it's going to be a nightmare of troll accusations and calling out people not in the thread.

That would have been awesome!


That would've been TFD.

HEY-OH
 
2013-01-10 12:08:11 PM  

James!: Rev.K: aaaaaaand red.

It looks like the powers that be rethought it since it's going to be a nightmare of troll accusations and calling out people not in the thread.


if you chant my name three times, it summons me to the discussion thread.
 
2013-01-10 12:10:21 PM  

R.A.Danny: Red?!?!?!  THE FIX IS ON!!!!


No kidding.  First greenlit, 100+ posts, no competing submisssions and not a threadjack or a trainwreck and suddenly redlit.

Great job mods.
 
2013-01-10 12:11:45 PM  

mrshowrules: R.A.Danny: Red?!?!?!  THE FIX IS ON!!!!

No kidding.  First greenlit, 100+ posts, no competing submisssions and not a threadjack or a trainwreck and suddenly redlit.

Great job  mods. admins


That would frost my balls.
 
2013-01-10 12:25:00 PM  
I was Teenwolf.
 
2013-01-10 12:29:34 PM  

quickdraw: James!: sweetmelissa31: James!: Some people are so wildly self absorbed that they think people have to be paid to disagree with them.

Nobody thinks that everyone who disagrees with them is paid. But there are some fairly obvious trolls whom I'm sure you notice, but have your own reasons to claim they are not trolls.

Are they trolls or do they just not agree with the majority of farkers?  It's more conspiracy nonsense.  People think their opinions are so right and beautiful that anyone who disagrees is an obvious troll. Having a contrary opinion in a harsh way? Obvious troll.  Consistently having a contrary opinion? Obvious paid troll.  Having a consistently contrary opinion and not being banned? ZOMG OBVIOUS PAID MOD TROLL!!!

So are you saying there is no such thing as internet forum shills? Do you need citations?

Ive been participating pretty consistently in the poli threads since 2004. And the number of posters who I suspect are shills has  increased drastically since then. I expect that this has to do with political organizations becoming more net savvy in combination with Fark becoming more well known.

Back in the day when TGOT or Wever95 would post an opinion I didnt agree with it was pretty easy to tell they were sincere. When the Patriot Act came out it affected these guys big time. TGOT posted a sad and puzzled good-bye thread in TFD and Weaver95 eventually became a solid Dem supporter.

I notice you have been spending some more time in these poli threads in the last 6 months (?) or so and I , for one, appreciate an overt Mod presence. But to imply that I call someone a shill just because they disagree with me is a pretty glib insult on your part.

I am not a stupid person. I read very quickly and I enjoy a good debate. I am always respectful. I may tease a bit but I never insult. I really value a good opponent in a political debate. Unfortunately there are very few of those left here. Most of the discussions I get into with "conservatives" here at Fark ...


I'll try to address this, but there is a lot so I apologize if I miss something.  I've been around the politics tab for 6 years, I used to post under the username Barbigazi but about 2 years ago I decided to switch logins.  We do have a handful of habitual trouble makers on the site on both sides, but what I don't think a lot of people realize (or like) is how much leash we give to everybody on the site.  There's no requirement that arguments be interesting or original or good all we ask is that people don't flame each other or derail threads.  And we have come to consider troll accusations to be both insults and derailments of threads.  How many threads have you seen where the topic falls aside so that people can complain about someone they are sure is a troll and "why are they still allowed to post they must be protected".  What I think is worse is when someone comes into a thread trying to discuss the topic only to be shouted down by people who have already written that person off as a troll. I've seen it, hell I've been responsible for it before I was a mod I got temporary bans a couple of times..

Bottom line though is that we as moderators assume that everyone is arguing in good faith, and if it's clear that they're just around to cause trouble (and it has to be crystal clear before we'll give someone the boot) then they'll find they aren't welcome here anymore.  But we aren't mind readers and half the fun of fark is people goofing off and poking at each other.  I've seen liberal farkers tear into liberal farkers accusing them of being a rightwing troll over a joke. And I've seen people who everyone assumes is just a troll have completely normal discussions in other tabs.  And I've seen people who think they're helping by trolling the shiat out of people (which does not help).

I've seen so many weird conspiracy theories over the years about how the staff must be being paid off by one side or another that it's just silly to me at this point.  I don't take it seriously.
 
2013-01-10 12:34:54 PM  
I think it would be funny if this thread kept going from red to green to red to green, and maybe some of the postings throughout were randomly removed, restored, others removed...

/why I'm not a mod or admin.
 
2013-01-10 12:36:58 PM  

Dr.Fey: I think it would be funny if this thread kept going from red to green to red to green, and maybe some of the postings throughout were randomly removed, restored, others removed...

/why I'm not a mod or admin.


Oh god, that's tempting.

I feel like Fred Flintstone and you're the Great Gazoo.
 
2013-01-10 12:39:41 PM  

Dr.Fey: I think it would be funny if this thread kept going from red to green to red to green,


Wouldn't it though?
 
2013-01-10 12:39:46 PM  
Are they paid in shillings?
 
2013-01-10 12:40:09 PM  
And it's green again.

If it keeps going from green to red to green to red to green red green redgreenredgreenred I may have a seizure.

Or I'll opt to watch some campy Canadian comedy sketch show.
 
2013-01-10 12:40:47 PM  

brap: Are they paid in shillings?


That would make no cents.
 
2013-01-10 12:41:01 PM  
HAHAHAHA!!!!
 
2013-01-10 12:41:21 PM  

xanadian: And it's green again.

If it keeps going from green to red to green to red to green red green redgreenredgreenred I may have a seizure.

Or I'll opt to watch some campy Canadian comedy sketch show.


Jesus Christ, they drove the man to watch Canadian television?  Monsters!
 
2013-01-10 12:41:54 PM  

James!: xanadian: And it's green again.

If it keeps going from green to red to green to red to green red green redgreenredgreenred I may have a seizure.

Or I'll opt to watch some campy Canadian comedy sketch show.

Jesus Christ, they drove the man to watch Canadian television?  Monsters!


And after that, it's The Littlest Hobo.
 
2013-01-10 12:45:18 PM  
choosepp.net
 
2013-01-10 12:45:51 PM  

brap: Are they paid in shillings?

Should I try the meatloaf?

 
2013-01-10 12:49:39 PM  

mrshowrules: brap: Are they paid in shillings?

Should I try the meatloaf?


Don't let your meat loaf.

- This post was brought to you by The American Boner Council

- It was actually pro-bono
 
2013-01-10 12:50:22 PM  

James!: I've seen so many weird conspiracy theories over the years about how the staff must be being paid off by one side or another that it's just silly to me at this point. I don't take it seriously.


Nobody said that Fark is getting paid by trolls.
 
2013-01-10 12:54:06 PM  
I'm holding out for the Five-Headed Hydra of Zionist Media, the Gay Mafia, the NRA, and the Illuminati to get into a bidding war over my opinions.

KA-CHING!
 
2013-01-10 12:54:38 PM  

sweetmelissa31: James!: I've seen so many weird conspiracy theories over the years about how the staff must be being paid off by one side or another that it's just silly to me at this point. I don't take it seriously.

Nobody said that Fark is getting paid by trolls.


Eh, there are often a lot of insinuations that paid shills that send of Fark page views are sheltered and protected or something like that. Honestly, most of it is silly enough that we tune it out.
 
2013-01-10 12:55:07 PM  

sweetmelissa31: James!: I've seen so many weird conspiracy theories over the years about how the staff must be being paid off by one side or another that it's just silly to me at this point. I don't take it seriously.

Nobody said that Fark is getting paid by trolls.


Almost daily people say we're paid by WND/KOS/Daily Mail/Entertainment Weekly to green links.  And I said side not trolls, taking a side doesn't make someone a troll.
 
2013-01-10 12:55:08 PM  
Send up page views, not send of.

Gah.
 
2013-01-10 12:55:50 PM  

Genevieve Marie: Send up page views, not send of.

Gah.


Pricipal caught sayof?
 
2013-01-10 12:55:53 PM  
There are some people who have their posts so obviously prepared for an argument they see coming, that it really makes you wonder sometimes. Obvious examples can be seen on both sides of an Israel / Palestine thread. I don't know if they are paid, or just bored fanatics with too much time.
 
2013-01-10 12:56:38 PM  
This needs to go really green.

For about 7 minutes.
 
2013-01-10 12:57:10 PM  

violentsalvation: There are some people who have their posts so obviously prepared for an argument they see coming, that it really makes you wonder sometimes. Obvious examples can be seen on both sides of an Israel / Palestine thread. I don't know if they are paid, or just bored fanatics with too much time.


Fark: Bored Fanatics with too much time.

Can we get that added to the slogans up top?
 
2013-01-10 01:01:55 PM  

violentsalvation: There are some people who have their posts so obviously prepared for an argument they see coming, that it really makes you wonder sometimes. Obvious examples can be seen on both sides of an Israel / Palestine thread. I don't know if they are paid, or just bored fanatics with too much time.


Well, to be fair there are several topics for which I have an argument all ready to go.

Of course, in my case its because I'm always right, and I just want to share my brilliance with others. Unlike some people.
 
2013-01-10 01:02:06 PM  
James!: I've seen so many weird conspiracy theories over the years about how the staff must be being paid off by one side or another that it's just silly to me at this point.  I don't take it seriously

nor should you.  I don't envy the fark mods or admins - you catch hell no matter what you guys do or decisions you make.  shiat - I'll bet you've gotta strap on body armor just to read the fark email inbox.  that said, while I and others might not always agree with or even understand your decisions, most sane people on this site understand that we're not seeing the same things you guys are seeing, nor do we - as regular users - have to put up with the rules, guidelines and management policies that you have to follow.
 
2013-01-10 01:03:23 PM  

violentsalvation: There are some people who have their posts so obviously prepared for an argument they see coming, that it really makes you wonder sometimes. Obvious examples can be seen on both sides of an Israel / Palestine thread. I don't know if they are paid, or just bored fanatics with too much time.


yeah, but is that a paid shill or is it freeper madness contaminating fark discussion threads?  it cuts both ways.
 
2013-01-10 01:04:19 PM  

Weaver95: James!: I've seen so many weird conspiracy theories over the years about how the staff must be being paid off by one side or another that it's just silly to me at this point.  I don't take it seriously

nor should you.  I don't envy the fark mods or admins - you catch hell no matter what you guys do or decisions you make.  shiat - I'll bet you've gotta strap on body armor just to read the fark email inbox.  that said, while I and others might not always agree with or even understand your decisions, most sane people on this site understand that we're not seeing the same things you guys are seeing, nor do we - as regular users - have to put up with the rules, guidelines and management policies that you have to follow.


Eh, that's why we drink in the morning. It helps.
 
2013-01-10 01:04:53 PM  

R.A.Danny: This needs to go really green.

For about 7 minutes.


And then red again.

And then green after another 30 mins or so. Really screw with the liters.
 
2013-01-10 01:05:29 PM  
/\
Now THAT'S trollin'!
 
2013-01-10 01:06:27 PM  

James!: I've seen so many weird conspiracy theories over the years about how the staff must be being paid off by one side or another that it's just silly to me at this point. I don't take it seriously.


No one REALLY thinks that the unpaid admins and mods are part of the Vast Conservative/Liberal Conspiracy.

We think two things: 1) Politicians and action groups pay people to spread their message on social media 2) Controversial topics and inflammatory posts stir up conversation. Look, if we *really* only cared about the news, every link in the politics tab would be to reputable news sources, not WND and Breitbart. And I won't say that TPM and Daily Kos are anywhere as derptastic as those two, because false equivalency is worse than Hitler, but those four sites make up a large proportion of greenlit threads.

TL;DR- no one thinks you're Spiro Agnew, but don't be that guy who's SHOCKED to find gambling going on at this establishment.
 
2013-01-10 01:07:26 PM  
That was a really poor piece of creative writing.
 
2013-01-10 01:08:42 PM  

what_now: because false equivalency is worse than Hitler


lol that should be a slogan up at the top, too.
 
2013-01-10 01:09:35 PM  

violentsalvation: what_now: because false equivalency is worse than Hitler

lol that should be a slogan up at the top, too.


Yea, I like that one a lot.
 
2013-01-10 01:10:08 PM  

Genevieve Marie: Weaver95: James!: I've seen so many weird conspiracy theories over the years about how the staff must be being paid off by one side or another that it's just silly to me at this point.  I don't take it seriously

nor should you.  I don't envy the fark mods or admins - you catch hell no matter what you guys do or decisions you make.  shiat - I'll bet you've gotta strap on body armor just to read the fark email inbox.  that said, while I and others might not always agree with or even understand your decisions, most sane people on this site understand that we're not seeing the same things you guys are seeing, nor do we - as regular users - have to put up with the rules, guidelines and management policies that you have to follow.

Eh, that's why we drink in the morning. It helps.


heh.  i'll bet.
 
2013-01-10 01:11:26 PM  

what_now: James!: I've seen so many weird conspiracy theories over the years about how the staff must be being paid off by one side or another that it's just silly to me at this point. I don't take it seriously.

No one REALLY thinks that the unpaid admins and mods are part of the Vast Conservative/Liberal Conspiracy.

We think two things: 1) Politicians and action groups pay people to spread their message on social media 2) Controversial topics and inflammatory posts stir up conversation. Look, if we *really* only cared about the news, every link in the politics tab would be to reputable news sources, not WND and Breitbart. And I won't say that TPM and Daily Kos are anywhere as derptastic as those two, because false equivalency is worse than Hitler, but those four sites make up a large proportion of greenlit threads.

TL;DR- no one thinks you're Spiro Agnew, but don't be that guy who's SHOCKED to find gambling going on at this establishment.


It's not news, it's fark.com.  75% of the users scroll right past news and jump all over a derp article with a crazy headline.
 
2013-01-10 01:13:54 PM  

James!: It's not news, it's fark.com. 75% of the users scroll right past news and jump all over a derp article with a crazy headline.


Exactly. And you are going to get someone that whinges about the level of WND greenlights, but you know, sometimes you go to zoo to learn about the conservation plans for the Ocelot, and sometimes you want to see the monkeys fling poo.
 
2013-01-10 01:15:29 PM  
James!:
It's not news, it's fark.com.  75% of the users scroll right past news and jump all over a derp article with a crazy headline.

lets face it - corporate news is bland, boring and excessively controlled.  one of the best things about fark is the ability to just unload on an article or topic without fear of being quashed by a series of automated scripts.  are there rules? sure.  and the lines are fairly well defined.  step over 'em and you'll know it...but even so, still we've got a LOT of room to rant.  And rant we do, about anything/everything.  ain't no sacred cows here.

the downside tho is that we get a lot of stupid mixed in with the insightful.  with a dash of crazy on top of it all.  which is great cover for paid shills to slip in their pre-digested talking points and then fade away in the background.
 
2013-01-10 01:15:58 PM  

what_now: James!: It's not news, it's fark.com. 75% of the users scroll right past news and jump all over a derp article with a crazy headline.

Exactly. And you are going to get someone that whinges about the level of WND greenlights, but you know, sometimes you go to zoo to learn about the conservation plans for the Ocelot, and sometimes you want to see the monkeys fling poo.


This is always been a monkeys fling poo website.  We just prefer that the zoo patrons refrain from flinging poo as well.
 
2013-01-10 01:17:20 PM  

Weaver95: James!:
It's not news, it's fark.com.  75% of the users scroll right past news and jump all over a derp article with a crazy headline.

lets face it - corporate news is bland, boring and excessively controlled.  one of the best things about fark is the ability to just unload on an article or topic without fear of being quashed by a series of automated scripts.  are there rules? sure.  and the lines are fairly well defined.  step over 'em and you'll know it...but even so, still we've got a LOT of room to rant.  And rant we do, about anything/everything.  ain't no sacred cows here.

the downside tho is that we get a lot of stupid mixed in with the insightful.  with a dash of crazy on top of it all.  which is great cover for paid shills to slip in their pre-digested talking points and then fade away in the background.


Or a great mound of shiat for their posts to get buried in and ignored.
 
2013-01-10 01:17:36 PM  

James!: HAHAHAAH green? Oh fark.


The paid shill proponents have gotten to the Admins! Why is Fark hiding this? It must be true or Fark would not have silenced opinion and buried the thread!

That said, there are plenty of businesses who get hired to pump up products on the Internet. This is the same. I'm sure that there are people paid to promote stuff on Pinterest, Facebook and other places.

But James! Is right. People on the pol tab here just want to fight. They do it for free or pay to do it.

But I do really think that Coke Zero is superior to that socialist Diet Pepsi crap!!!! And I think Lincoln would have condemned Apple for slave labor. Buy Lenovo!
 
2013-01-10 01:19:04 PM  
James!:

Or a great mound of shiat for their posts to get buried in and ignored.

not when you sock puppet.  which happens quite a lot.  I'm sure you've seen the screen caps and photoshops?
 
2013-01-10 01:19:44 PM  

James!: I'll try to address this, but there is a lot so I apologize if I miss something.  I've been around the politics tab for 6 years, I used to post under the username Barbigazi but about 2 years ago I decided to switch logins.  We do have a handful of habitual trouble makers on the site on both sides, but what I don't think a lot of people realize (or like) is how much leash we give to everybody on the site.  There's no requirement that arguments be interesting or original or good all we ask is that people don't flame each other or derail threads.  And we have come to consider troll accusations to be both insults and derailments of threads.  How many threads have you seen where the topic falls aside so that people can complain about someone they are sure is a troll and "why are they still allowed to post they must be protected".  What I think is worse is when someone comes into a thread trying to discuss the topic only to be shouted down by people who have already written that person off as a troll. I've seen it, hell I've been responsible for it before I was a mod I got temporary bans a couple of times..

Bottom line though is that we as moderators assume that everyone is arguing in good faith, and if it's clear that they're just around to cause trouble (and it has to be crystal clear before we'll give someone the boot) then they'll find they aren't welcome here anymore.  But we aren't mind readers and half the fun of fark is people goofing off and poking at each other.  I've seen liberal farkers tear into liberal farkers accusing them of being a rightwing troll over a joke. And I've seen people who everyone assumes is just a troll have completely normal discussions in other tabs.  And I've seen people who think they're helping by trolling the shiat out of people (which does not help).

I've seen so many weird conspiracy theories over the years about how the staff must be being paid off by one side or another that it's just silly to me at this point.  I don't take it s ...


As a member of a mod team for a sizable offline Farker discussion group, I completely sympathize.
 
2013-01-10 01:19:58 PM  

I_C_Weener: James!: HAHAHAAH green? Oh fark.

The paid shill proponents have gotten to the Admins! Why is Fark hiding this? It must be true or Fark would not have silenced opinion and buried the thread!

That said, there are plenty of businesses who get hired to pump up products on the Internet. This is the same. I'm sure that there are people paid to promote stuff on Pinterest, Facebook and other places.

But James! Is right. People on the pol tab here just want to fight. They do it for free or pay to do it.

But I do really think that Coke Zero is superior to that socialist Diet Pepsi crap!!!! And I think Lincoln would have condemned Apple for slave labor. Buy Lenovo!


Shut up, Weener you shill.

//This post sponsored by the Rand Corportation
///The Rand Corporation: What exactly do we do here?
 
2013-01-10 01:21:10 PM  

make me some tea: ...

As a member of a mod team for a sizable offline Farker discussion group, I completely sympathize.

you talk about me a lot, don't you?  it's ALL about me!

[preens for the camera]
 
2013-01-10 01:22:18 PM  

James!: Almost daily people say we're paid by WND/KOS/Daily Mail/Entertainment Weekly to green links. And I said side not trolls, taking a side doesn't make someone a troll.


Nobody in this thread is saying that. People are saying that there are some organizations that probably pay people to make posts on the internet. You're dismissing it as either a "conspiracy theory" or as a way of classifying everyone who has a different opinion.
 
2013-01-10 01:22:20 PM  

Weaver95: hmm...I wonder if they're still hiring...


I think you'd be under suspicion having switched your political affiliations so drastically. Only cold cash can be behind your conversion!
 
2013-01-10 01:23:28 PM  

I_C_Weener: Weaver95: hmm...I wonder if they're still hiring...

I think you'd be under suspicion having switched your political affiliations so drastically. Only cold cash can be behind your conversion!


oh I wouldn't use my standard fark login for something like that.  mind you, my writing style might give me away though.
 
2013-01-10 01:24:58 PM  

Weaver95: James!:

Or a great mound of shiat for their posts to get buried in and ignored.

not when you sock puppet.  which happens quite a lot.  I'm sure you've seen the screen caps and photoshops?


Can I level with you Weaver?  A little behind the scenes for you?

It doesn't happen a lot.  I have seen it in my entire career maybe twice and only one of those was doing it in politics.  And neither of them are doing it anymore.
 
2013-01-10 01:25:10 PM  

James!: ///The Rand Corporation: What exactly do we do here?


They do ...RANDom acts of violence?
 
2013-01-10 01:25:30 PM  

Weaver95: you talk about me a lot, don't you?  it's ALL about me!


Of course! We have a daily "What's Weaver95 talking about on Fark today?" thread.
not really but maybe we could
 
2013-01-10 01:25:52 PM  

sweetmelissa31: Nobody in this thread is saying that. People are saying that there are some organizations that probably pay people to make posts on the internet. You're dismissing it as either a "conspiracy theory" or as a way of classifying everyone who has a different opinion.


Actually I can think of one poster in particular who was proven almost beyond shadow of a doubt to be a Heritage Foundation paid shill.
 
2013-01-10 01:26:16 PM  

sweetmelissa31: James!: Almost daily people say we're paid by WND/KOS/Daily Mail/Entertainment Weekly to green links. And I said side not trolls, taking a side doesn't make someone a troll.

Nobody in this thread is saying that. People are saying that there are some organizations that probably pay people to make posts on the internet. You're dismissing it as either a "conspiracy theory" or as a way of classifying everyone who has a different opinion.


I have dismissed it.  It is dismissed.

Then I went on to describe yet another conspiracy theory I see a lot.
 
2013-01-10 01:26:54 PM  

sweetmelissa31: James!: Almost daily people say we're paid by WND/KOS/Daily Mail/Entertainment Weekly to green links. And I said side not trolls, taking a side doesn't make someone a troll.

Nobody in this thread is saying that. People are saying that there are some organizations that probably pay people to make posts on the internet. You're dismissing it as either a "conspiracy theory" or as a way of classifying everyone who has a different opinion.


For what it's worth, I see your argument and I agree that there are probably campaigns who make sure their social media people spend time on the more highly trafficked forums and we definitely can't guarantee that they never use Fark. I think what gets irksome is the implication that we're in on it, or that Fark aids and abets that.

We have to assume all posters are arguing in good faith and we can't try to guess at a user's intentions for the most part. That would get really subjective really  fast.
 
2013-01-10 01:27:59 PM  
Why would anyone choose to mod or admin a site like this for free? And why would should anyone believe this person when they are clearly trying to dismiss anything this article is implying? This shiat happens everyday and it will be probably be worse next year.
 
2013-01-10 01:28:22 PM  

James!: Weaver95: James!:

Or a great mound of shiat for their posts to get buried in and ignored.

not when you sock puppet.  which happens quite a lot.  I'm sure you've seen the screen caps and photoshops?

Can I level with you Weaver?  A little behind the scenes for you?

It doesn't happen a lot.  I have seen it in my entire career maybe twice and only one of those was doing it in politics.  And neither of them are doing it anymore.


Oh I think it goes on quite a bit.  its just that the people doing it have gotten better with their technique.  they know the mods and admins have better things to do than track down nearly impossible to prove rumors of playing sock puppet on the politics tab (or elsewhere, although why you'd sock puppet the entertainment tab is beyond me).  unless someone is blatantly stupid, they're going to get away with it.
 
2013-01-10 01:29:23 PM  

Jackson Herring: sweetmelissa31: Nobody in this thread is saying that. People are saying that there are some organizations that probably pay people to make posts on the internet. You're dismissing it as either a "conspiracy theory" or as a way of classifying everyone who has a different opinion.

Actually I can think of one poster in particular who was proven almost beyond shadow of a doubt to be a Heritage Foundation paid shill.


I know of one whom I have Farky'd "DC Lobbyist". He doesn't hide this fact, though. His Fark name is actually his real name, and he has a website also in his name. He only comments in here on the weeks leading up to an election, and calmly pushes hard right conservative talking points.
 
2013-01-10 01:29:45 PM  

Jackson Herring: Actually I can think of one poster in particular who was proven almost beyond shadow of a doubt to be a Heritage Foundation paid shill.


I find that people that want attention (negative or otherwise)  encourage such talk.  It makes them feel important.

- This post was sponsored by the Westboro Baptist Church and Huggies brand diapers.  Huggies, let Jr. know you care with our new Lil' Stinker toddler underwear.
 
2013-01-10 01:29:53 PM  

Genevieve Marie: We have to assume all posters are arguing in good faith and we can't try to guess at a user's intentions for the most part. That would get really subjective really fast.


I really don't care whether Mods block the trolls or not, since I generally ignore them anyway, and I understand why you'd have to assume that people are arguing in good faith. I just think it is ridiculous that James is like vehemently denying that anyone has ever been paid to post comments online. Is it some kind of defense mechanism as a Moderator?
 
2013-01-10 01:30:47 PM  

CynicalLA: This shiat happens everyday and it will be probably be worse next year.


seriously. next year when most of the provisions of the overwhelmingly unpopular obamacare legislation become active, this kind of thing, along with most every other aspect of life, will surely get worse. can we please get back to talking about how bad obamacare is, i feel like this thread has deviated too far away from that topic.
 
2013-01-10 01:31:15 PM  

make me some tea: Weaver95: you talk about me a lot, don't you?  it's ALL about me!

Of course! We have a daily "What's Weaver95 talking about on Fark today?" thread.
not really but maybe we could


awesome!  thanks man!
 
2013-01-10 01:32:37 PM  
What is "sock puppet"?
 
2013-01-10 01:32:47 PM  

Weaver95: James!: Weaver95: James!:

Or a great mound of shiat for their posts to get buried in and ignored.

not when you sock puppet.  which happens quite a lot.  I'm sure you've seen the screen caps and photoshops?

Can I level with you Weaver?  A little behind the scenes for you?

It doesn't happen a lot.  I have seen it in my entire career maybe twice and only one of those was doing it in politics.  And neither of them are doing it anymore.

Oh I think it goes on quite a bit.  its just that the people doing it have gotten better with their technique.  they know the mods and admins have better things to do than track down nearly impossible to prove rumors of playing sock puppet on the politics tab (or elsewhere, although why you'd sock puppet the entertainment tab is beyond me).  unless someone is blatantly stupid, they're going to get away with it.


Weaver, weaver... Can I level with you weave?  Imagine how bored I am that not only do I post here all day, but I've also accepted a job moderating it.  Imagine how much attention I can give to tracking down several years of posts.
 
2013-01-10 01:33:38 PM  

what_now: What is "sock puppet"?


It is a little bit like a poop sock.
 
2013-01-10 01:33:50 PM  
I'm doing something wrong. You're telling me people pay you to troll on the internet?

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2013-01-10 01:33:59 PM  

James!: I_C_Weener: James!: HAHAHAAH green? Oh fark.

The paid shill proponents have gotten to the Admins! Why is Fark hiding this? It must be true or Fark would not have silenced opinion and buried the thread!

That said, there are plenty of businesses who get hired to pump up products on the Internet. This is the same. I'm sure that there are people paid to promote stuff on Pinterest, Facebook and other places.

But James! Is right. People on the pol tab here just want to fight. They do it for free or pay to do it.

But I do really think that Coke Zero is superior to that socialist Diet Pepsi crap!!!! And I think Lincoln would have condemned Apple for slave labor. Buy Lenovo!

Shut up, Weener you shill.

//This post sponsored by the Rand Corportation
///The Rand Corporation: What exactly do we do here?


Omni Consumer Products frowns on your post.
 
2013-01-10 01:34:05 PM  

thomps: CynicalLA: This shiat happens everyday and it will be probably be worse next year.

seriously. next year when most of the provisions of the overwhelmingly unpopular obamacare legislation become active, this kind of thing, along with most every other aspect of life, will surely get worse. can we please get back to talking about how bad obamacare is, i feel like this thread has deviated too far away from that topic.


nah, obamacare is only unpopular with GOP shills.  everyone else is ok with it.  which doesn't invalidate your main point that once ACA legislation goes live we're going to see a LOT of paid shills show up and act like whiny biatches about health care reform.
 
2013-01-10 01:34:48 PM  

James!: Imagine how much attention I can give to tracking down several years of posts.


My first few weeks moderating I spent probably 30 hours looking up suspected alts. Popular perception was wrong about every single one of them.

Yes people, we really are that bored.
 
2013-01-10 01:36:00 PM  

Genevieve Marie: My first few weeks moderating I spent probably 30 hours looking up suspected alts. Popular perception was wrong about every single one of them.


And what about the one I mentioned earlier, who will not be named but had four or five Fark usernames of the same theme that I can remember off the top of my head?
 
2013-01-10 01:36:08 PM  

what_now: What is "sock puppet"?


account A makes wild ass claim.  then account A logs into account B and has Account B support Account A's lame ass comments.  Account A then says 'see, I other people agree with me!'

congratulations, you've now sock puppeted your thread comments.
 
2013-01-10 01:36:09 PM  

what_now: What is "sock puppet"?


Based on context, I'm assuming it means a fake account created for the express purpose of propagandizing in discussion threads.
 
2013-01-10 01:36:49 PM  

Genevieve Marie: James!: Imagine how much attention I can give to tracking down several years of posts.

My first few weeks moderating I spent probably 30 hours looking up suspected alts. Popular perception was wrong about every single one of them.

Yes people, we really are that bored.


or drunk.
 
2013-01-10 01:37:03 PM  

Weaver95: account A makes wild ass claim.  then account A logs into account B and has Account B support Account A's lame ass comments.  Account A then says 'see, I other people agree with me!'


It works the other way, too. Account B could quote Account A's comment in order to get around the ignore filter, and say "look how dumb this guy is! ha! ha!"
 
2013-01-10 01:37:41 PM  

what_now: What is "sock puppet"?


Do I really have to explain it to you AGAIN? Stupid lib.
 
2013-01-10 01:37:59 PM  

Jackson Herring: Weaver95: account A makes wild ass claim.  then account A logs into account B and has Account B support Account A's lame ass comments.  Account A then says 'see, I other people agree with me!'

It works the other way, too. Account B could quote Account A's comment in order to get around the ignore filter, and say "look how dumb this guy is! ha! ha!"


well yeah, there's a couple of variations on the subject.
 
2013-01-10 01:38:28 PM  

Weaver95: I_C_Weener: Weaver95: hmm...I wonder if they're still hiring...

I think you'd be under suspicion having switched your political affiliations so drastically. Only cold cash can be behind your conversion!

oh I wouldn't use my standard fark login for something like that.  mind you, my writing style might give me away though.


Just use all lower case and italics.  It will hide your over the top antics.  No one will ever know.
 
2013-01-10 01:38:29 PM  
If it could be conclusively proven that there are no paid political shills here, i would be stunned.
Given the nature of the internet and this site, a shill could afford to be more subtle in the steering of conversations. Just throw a breadcrumb out, and watch the trolls jump all over themselves trying to out derp each other.
So the shills, assuming their existence, probably fly below most peoples' radar.
 
2013-01-10 01:38:39 PM  

Jackson Herring: Genevieve Marie: My first few weeks moderating I spent probably 30 hours looking up suspected alts. Popular perception was wrong about every single one of them.

And what about the one I mentioned earlier, who will not be named but had four or five Fark usernames of the same theme that I can remember off the top of my head?


I think you've been around Fark long enough to know good and well that mods don't give out any personal information about any user and that asking us to do it is kind of a jerk thing to do. Don't do that. Please?
 
2013-01-10 01:39:35 PM  

Genevieve Marie: I think you've been around Fark long enough to know good and well that mods don't give out any personal information about any user and that asking us to do it is kind of a jerk thing to do. Don't do that. Please?


It was a rhetorical question.
 
2013-01-10 01:39:53 PM  

CynicalLA: Why would anyone choose to mod or admin a site like this for free? And why would should anyone believe this person when they are clearly trying to dismiss anything this article is implying? This shiat happens everyday and it will be probably be worse next year.


Do you believe in UFOs, astral projections, mental telepathy, ESP, clairvoyance, spirit photography, telekinetic movement, full trance mediums, the Loch Ness monster and the theory of Atlantis?
 
2013-01-10 01:40:39 PM  

Weaver95: what_now: What is "sock puppet"?

account A makes wild ass claim.  then account A logs into account B and has Account B support Account A's lame ass comments.  Account A then says 'see, I other people agree with me!'

congratulations, you've now sock puppeted your thread comments.


Like I said, I've seen that twice.
 
2013-01-10 01:40:49 PM  

I_C_Weener: Weaver95: hmm...I wonder if they're still hiring...

I think you'd be under suspicion having switched your political affiliations so drastically. Only cold cash can be behind your conversion!


Nah, we all watched him gradually figure it out.
 
2013-01-10 01:40:50 PM  

Weaver95: make me some tea: ...As a member of a mod team for a sizable offline Farker discussion group, I completely sympathize.

you talk about me a lot, don't you?  it's ALL about me!

[preens for the camera]


I knew it! You're really Rush Limbaugh, aren't you?
 
2013-01-10 01:41:10 PM  

James!: Weaver95: what_now: What is "sock puppet"?

account A makes wild ass claim.  then account A logs into account B and has Account B support Account A's lame ass comments.  Account A then says 'see, I other people agree with me!'

congratulations, you've now sock puppeted your thread comments.

Like I said, I've seen that twice.


which doesn't mean you missed a few.
 
2013-01-10 01:41:25 PM  

what_now: what_now: What is "sock puppet"?

Do I really have to explain it to you AGAIN? Stupid lib.


Well played.
 
2013-01-10 01:41:57 PM  

CheetahOlivetti: Weaver95: make me some tea: ...As a member of a mod team for a sizable offline Farker discussion group, I completely sympathize.

you talk about me a lot, don't you?  it's ALL about me!

[preens for the camera]

I knew it! You're really Rush Limbaugh, aren't you?


I have the perfect face for radio so...yeah, maybe.
 
2013-01-10 01:42:04 PM  

Genevieve Marie: sweetmelissa31: James!: Almost daily people say we're paid by WND/KOS/Daily Mail/Entertainment Weekly to green links. And I said side not trolls, taking a side doesn't make someone a troll.

Nobody in this thread is saying that. People are saying that there are some organizations that probably pay people to make posts on the internet. You're dismissing it as either a "conspiracy theory" or as a way of classifying everyone who has a different opinion.

For what it's worth, I see your argument and I agree that there are probably campaigns who make sure their social media people spend time on the more highly trafficked forums and we definitely can't guarantee that they never use Fark. I think what gets irksome is the implication that we're in on it, or that Fark aids and abets that.

We have to assume all posters are arguing in good faith and we can't try to guess at a user's intentions for the most part. That would get really subjective really  fast.


Good faith?  No ma'am.  Most of these posters are athiests.
 
2013-01-10 01:42:15 PM  
All I can say is having read a few politics threads in my day, if someone IS paying those chuckleheads to post the same hardline gibberjabber over and over and over again, they ain't getting there monies worth.
 
2013-01-10 01:43:31 PM  
and here i am doing this for free.
 
2013-01-10 01:43:35 PM  

Weaver95: thomps: CynicalLA: This shiat happens everyday and it will be probably be worse next year.

seriously. next year when most of the provisions of the overwhelmingly unpopular obamacare legislation become active, this kind of thing, along with most every other aspect of life, will surely get worse. can we please get back to talking about how bad obamacare is, i feel like this thread has deviated too far away from that topic.

nah, obamacare is only unpopular with GOP shills.  everyone else is ok with it.  which doesn't invalidate your main point that once ACA legislation goes live we're going to see a LOT of paid shills show up and act like whiny biatches about health care reform.


the data is there: obamacare is the least popular piece of legislation since kennedy demanded a first run at all new brides. tell your friends.
 
2013-01-10 01:43:58 PM  

brap: All I can say is having read a few politics threads in my day, if someone IS paying those chuckleheads to post the same hardline gibberjabber over and over and over again, they ain't getting there monies worth.


I don't know what scares me more - the possibility that there is an organized effort to disrupt online discussions with paid shills or that the idiots we see in the politics thread really, honestly and truly believe in the slobbering nonsense they post on a daily basis.
 
2013-01-10 01:44:03 PM  

Weaver95: CheetahOlivetti: Weaver95: make me some tea: ...As a member of a mod team for a sizable offline Farker discussion group, I completely sympathize.

you talk about me a lot, don't you?  it's ALL about me!

[preens for the camera]

I knew it! You're really Rush Limbaugh, aren't you?

I have the perfect face for radio so...yeah, maybe.


You do better with the ladies than the ladyboys though if I remember correctly.
 
2013-01-10 01:44:38 PM  

Weaver95: James!: Weaver95: what_now: What is "sock puppet"?

account A makes wild ass claim.  then account A logs into account B and has Account B support Account A's lame ass comments.  Account A then says 'see, I other people agree with me!'

congratulations, you've now sock puppeted your thread comments.

Like I said, I've seen that twice.

which doesn't mean you missed a few.


Let me just say that A) I am not the only one looking and B) when you make a comment I see a considerable amount more information on you name bar than the average bear.
 
2013-01-10 01:44:53 PM  

SilentStrider: If it could be conclusively proven that there are no paid political shills here, i would be stunned.
Given the nature of the internet and this site, a shill could afford to be more subtle in the steering of conversations. Just throw a breadcrumb out, and watch the trolls jump all over themselves trying to out derp each other.
So the shills, assuming their existence, probably fly below most peoples' radar.


But here's the thing: If a paid shill got me to change my mind, good! Great! If you can get me to change my opinion, it doesn't matter if you're paid or volunteer.

I don't see much difference between some guy knocking on my door and convincing me to vote for X candidate, and someone convincing me to vote for X on the internet.
 
2013-01-10 01:44:56 PM  

I_C_Weener: Good faith? No ma'am. Most of these posters are athiests.


Hell, I'm a conservative nihilist.
 
2013-01-10 01:45:22 PM  

Weaver95: or drunk.


But the alcohol makes your comments twice as intelligent and ten times as right as normal.  I highly recommend everyone try it.
 
2013-01-10 01:45:31 PM  
It's hilarious how many of you actually believe this.
 
2013-01-10 01:46:01 PM  

James!: Let me just say that A) I am not the only one looking and B) when you make a comment I see a considerable amount more information on you name bar than the average bear.


Does this sweater make me look fat?
 
2013-01-10 01:46:01 PM  

James!: Let me just say that A) I am not the only one looking and B) when you make a comment I see a considerable amount more information on you name bar than the average bear.


CAN YOU SEE MY FARKYS PLEASE SAY NO
 
2013-01-10 01:46:13 PM  

brap: All I can say is having read a few politics threads in my day, if someone IS paying those chuckleheads to post the same hardline gibberjabber over and over and over again, they ain't getting there monies worth.


I always used to think that it's more likely that there's some liberal group paying the ridiculous right-wing people most commonly called trolls in order to make the moderate liberals say, like, "Wow, people think that? Let me expand on why they are wrong" which makes that person feel more strongly about The Issues, but that wouldn't explain Freepers.
 
2013-01-10 01:46:43 PM  

I_C_Weener: Weaver95: CheetahOlivetti: Weaver95: make me some tea: ...As a member of a mod team for a sizable offline Farker discussion group, I completely sympathize.

you talk about me a lot, don't you?  it's ALL about me!

[preens for the camera]

I knew it! You're really Rush Limbaugh, aren't you?

I have the perfect face for radio so...yeah, maybe.

You do better with the ladies than the ladyboys though if I remember correctly.


that's right, you were there at that fark party!  I was disturbingly sober for most of that.  to be honest tho, my level of death threats has slacked off over the past couple years so I probably shouldn't be as much of a hermit as I am.  I'm still hoping to get a fatwah declared against me though.
 
2013-01-10 01:47:52 PM  

what_now: SilentStrider: If it could be conclusively proven that there are no paid political shills here, i would be stunned.
Given the nature of the internet and this site, a shill could afford to be more subtle in the steering of conversations. Just throw a breadcrumb out, and watch the trolls jump all over themselves trying to out derp each other.
So the shills, assuming their existence, probably fly below most peoples' radar.

But here's the thing: If a paid shill got me to change my mind, good! Great! If you can get me to change my opinion, it doesn't matter if you're paid or volunteer.

I don't see much difference between some guy knocking on my door and convincing me to vote for X candidate, and someone convincing me to vote for X on the internet.


Not everyone thinks the same way though. What might not make a difference to you might make a difference to somone else.
 
2013-01-10 01:47:56 PM  

James!: Let me just say that A) I am not the only one looking and B) when you make a comment I see a considerable amount more information on you name bar than the average bear.


*shifty eyes*
 
2013-01-10 01:48:12 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: It's hilarious how many of you actually believe this.


Believe what?  Tell me what I believe.

I believe the children are our future.

- This post was brought to you by the Whitney Houston Appreciation Society.  At WHAS, we will ALWAYS love you.
 
2013-01-10 01:48:31 PM  

mahuika: brap: All I can say is having read a few politics threads in my day, if someone IS paying those chuckleheads to post the same hardline gibberjabber over and over and over again, they ain't getting there monies worth.

I always used to think that it's more likely that there's some liberal group paying the ridiculous right-wing people most commonly called trolls in order to make the moderate liberals say, like, "Wow, people think that? Let me expand on why they are wrong" which makes that person feel more strongly about The Issues, but that wouldn't explain Freepers.


nothing can explain the freepers.  except maybe a severe meth habit and/or several antisocial personality disorders.
 
2013-01-10 01:48:41 PM  

Weaver95: brap: All I can say is having read a few politics threads in my day, if someone IS paying those chuckleheads to post the same hardline gibberjabber over and over and over again, they ain't getting there monies worth.

I don't know what scares me more - the possibility that there is an organized effort to disrupt online discussions with paid shills or that the idiots we see in the politics thread really, honestly and truly believe in the slobbering nonsense they post on a daily basis.


True believers far outnumber any paid attempts, if any, to steer Fark conversation.  Most of the people waste time on here and feel safe stating in text in limited fashion over simplified charicatures of their rather complex political or other beliefs.  Just because someone gets adamant about a position and sticks to it doesn't mean they were paid to do so.

Just look at the fact that Jersey Shore had more seasons than Firefly.  You can't assign logic and conspiracies to it.  It just is.
 
2013-01-10 01:48:53 PM  

I_C_Weener: CynicalLA: Why would anyone choose to mod or admin a site like this for free? And why would should anyone believe this person when they are clearly trying to dismiss anything this article is implying? This shiat happens everyday and it will be probably be worse next year.

Do you believe in UFOs, astral projections, mental telepathy, ESP, clairvoyance, spirit photography, telekinetic movement, full trance mediums, the Loch Ness monster and the theory of Atlantis?


No, and those are ridiculous comparisons and you know it. Corporations and politicians using the anonymity of the internet to promote their ideas is not a conspiracy.
 
2013-01-10 01:49:37 PM  

mahuika: brap: All I can say is having read a few politics threads in my day, if someone IS paying those chuckleheads to post the same hardline gibberjabber over and over and over again, they ain't getting there monies worth.

I always used to think that it's more likely that there's some liberal group paying the ridiculous right-wing people most commonly called trolls in order to make the moderate liberals say, like, "Wow, people think that? Let me expand on why they are wrong" which makes that person feel more strongly about The Issues, but that wouldn't explain Freepers.


Oh, I'm sure that's at least part of what's being done. This rings a bell, actually. Can't remember why exactly. Hm.
 
2013-01-10 01:49:49 PM  

what_now: James!: Let me just say that A) I am not the only one looking and B) when you make a comment I see a considerable amount more information on you name bar than the average bear.

Does this sweater make me look fat?


It's not the most flattering... but your hair looks nice.
 
2013-01-10 01:49:58 PM  

Weaver95: I_C_Weener: Weaver95: CheetahOlivetti: Weaver95: make me some tea: ...As a member of a mod team for a sizable offline Farker discussion group, I completely sympathize.

you talk about me a lot, don't you?  it's ALL about me!

[preens for the camera]

I knew it! You're really Rush Limbaugh, aren't you?

I have the perfect face for radio so...yeah, maybe.

You do better with the ladies than the ladyboys though if I remember correctly.

that's right, you were there at that fark party!  I was disturbingly sober for most of that.  to be honest tho, my level of death threats has slacked off over the past couple years so I probably shouldn't be as much of a hermit as I am.  I'm still hoping to get a fatwah declared against me though.


Have you considered hijacking another dragon? That might help your cause...
 
2013-01-10 01:50:00 PM  

James!:
Let me just say that A) I am not the only one looking and B) when you make a comment I see a considerable amount more information on you name bar than the average bear.

so you can see me naked?



archive.heinessen.com
 
2013-01-10 01:50:08 PM  

Dinjiin: Weaver95: or drunk.

But the alcohol makes your comments twice as intelligent and ten times as right as normal.  I highly recommend everyone try it.


There is no drinking limit on the internet.  Just don't post and drive.
 
2013-01-10 01:50:31 PM  

what_now: James!: Let me just say that A) I am not the only one looking and B) when you make a comment I see a considerable amount more information on you name bar than the average bear.

Does this sweater make me look fat?


The color really brightens up your eyes, but I like a V-neck on you better.
 
2013-01-10 01:50:55 PM  

CynicalLA: I_C_Weener: CynicalLA: Why would anyone choose to mod or admin a site like this for free? And why would should anyone believe this person when they are clearly trying to dismiss anything this article is implying? This shiat happens everyday and it will be probably be worse next year.

Do you believe in UFOs, astral projections, mental telepathy, ESP, clairvoyance, spirit photography, telekinetic movement, full trance mediums, the Loch Ness monster and the theory of Atlantis?

No, and those are ridiculous comparisons and you know it. Corporations and politicians using the anonymity of the internet to promote their ideas is not a conspiracy.


didn't chic fil a get busted really publicly for making fake facebook accounts to guide the dialog about their anti-gay sh*tstorm?
 
2013-01-10 01:50:57 PM  

James!: what_now: James!: Let me just say that A) I am not the only one looking and B) when you make a comment I see a considerable amount more information on you name bar than the average bear.

Does this sweater make me look fat?

It's not the most flattering... but your hair looks nice.


thanks! I had it cut last week.
 
2013-01-10 01:51:19 PM  

Weaver95: mahuika: brap: All I can say is having read a few politics threads in my day, if someone IS paying those chuckleheads to post the same hardline gibberjabber over and over and over again, they ain't getting there monies worth.

I always used to think that it's more likely that there's some liberal group paying the ridiculous right-wing people most commonly called trolls in order to make the moderate liberals say, like, "Wow, people think that? Let me expand on why they are wrong" which makes that person feel more strongly about The Issues, but that wouldn't explain Freepers.

nothing can explain the freepers.  except maybe a severe meth habit and/or several antisocial personality disorders.


I would argue that FreeRepublic is, indeed, not the derpiest place on the internet. I've been to the depths of TeaPartyNation.com. I have stared Derp in the face, AND IT STARED BACK AT ME
 
2013-01-10 01:51:30 PM  

make me some tea: James!: Let me just say that A) I am not the only one looking and B) when you make a comment I see a considerable amount more information on you name bar than the average bear.

*shifty eyes*


In some cases, the Mods can see into your soul.  Google sends me a print out of every GIS you've ever done in exchange for me saying Google online several times a day.  I ain't judging but what is "geometry porn"?
 
2013-01-10 01:51:35 PM  

Starryeyes: The color really brightens up your eyes, but I like a V-neck on you better.


Then you wouldn't look at my eyes :(
 
2013-01-10 01:52:02 PM  

CynicalLA: I_C_Weener: CynicalLA: Why would anyone choose to mod or admin a site like this for free? And why would should anyone believe this person when they are clearly trying to dismiss anything this article is implying? This shiat happens everyday and it will be probably be worse next year.

Do you believe in UFOs, astral projections, mental telepathy, ESP, clairvoyance, spirit photography, telekinetic movement, full trance mediums, the Loch Ness monster and the theory of Atlantis?

No, and those are ridiculous comparisons and you know it. Corporations and politicians using the anonymity of the internet to promote their ideas is not a conspiracy.


In the words of Winston Zeddemore, "I'll believe anything if there is a steady paycheck in it."
 
2013-01-10 01:52:22 PM  

I_C_Weener: I ain't judging but what is "geometry porn"?


Flatland fan fiction.
 
2013-01-10 01:52:39 PM  

what_now: Starryeyes: The color really brightens up your eyes, but I like a V-neck on you better.

Then you wouldn't look at my eyes :(


ladies, please
 
2013-01-10 01:52:44 PM  
make me some tea:
I would argue that FreeRepublic is, indeed, not the derpiest place on the internet. I've been to the depths of TeaPartyNation.com. I have stared Derp in the face, AND IT STARED BACK AT ME

you are braver than I am - I draw the line at freeperville and the occasional visit to the #tcot twitter feed.  rarely i'll venture into stormfront.org but that's about as far as I go.
 
2013-01-10 01:53:18 PM  

I_C_Weener: I ain't judging but what is "geometry porn"?


It's all about the fapazoids.
 
2013-01-10 01:54:00 PM  

Weaver95: I_C_Weener: Weaver95: CheetahOlivetti: Weaver95: make me some tea: ...As a member of a mod team for a sizable offline Farker discussion group, I completely sympathize.

you talk about me a lot, don't you?  it's ALL about me!

[preens for the camera]

I knew it! You're really Rush Limbaugh, aren't you?

I have the perfect face for radio so...yeah, maybe.

You do better with the ladies than the ladyboys though if I remember correctly.

that's right, you were there at that fark party!  I was disturbingly sober for most of that.  to be honest tho, my level of death threats has slacked off over the past couple years so I probably shouldn't be as much of a hermit as I am.  I'm still hoping to get a fatwah declared against me though.


And here we see the fly in the ointment, the problem with the conspiracy theory.... who would put up with death threats and hate mail just to post something they don't believe on the internet?  Besides soulless lawyers and ad men?
 
2013-01-10 01:54:04 PM  

thomps: CynicalLA: I_C_Weener: CynicalLA: Why would anyone choose to mod or admin a site like this for free? And why would should anyone believe this person when they are clearly trying to dismiss anything this article is implying? This shiat happens everyday and it will be probably be worse next year.

Do you believe in UFOs, astral projections, mental telepathy, ESP, clairvoyance, spirit photography, telekinetic movement, full trance mediums, the Loch Ness monster and the theory of Atlantis?

No, and those are ridiculous comparisons and you know it. Corporations and politicians using the anonymity of the internet to promote their ideas is not a conspiracy.

didn't chic fil a get busted really publicly for making fake facebook accounts to guide the dialog about their anti-gay sh*tstorm?


Link
 
2013-01-10 01:54:43 PM  

Jackson Herring: what_now: Starryeyes: The color really brightens up your eyes, but I like a V-neck on you better.

Then you wouldn't look at my eyes :(

ladies, please


She has very lovely... eyes.
 
2013-01-10 01:55:22 PM  
I_C_Weener:
In some cases, the Mods can see into your soul.  Google sends me a print out of every GIS you've ever done in exchange for me saying Google online several times a day.  I ain't judging but what is "geometry porn"?

fac-web.spsu.edu
 
2013-01-10 01:55:56 PM  

James!: I have dismissed it.


Genevieve Marie: We have to assume all posters are arguing in good faith and we can't try to guess at a user's intentions for the most part.


While I agree with both of you that one has to assume that a poster is acting in good faith, your boss is on the record, a few years ago, saying he was convinced there were paid shils on Fark.
 
2013-01-10 01:55:59 PM  
*cough* I'm sorry. Yes, internet shills. Seems like an agonizing amount of effort.
 
2013-01-10 01:56:44 PM  

I_C_Weener: I ain't judging but what is "geometry porn"?


You've never seen Truncated Icosahedrons:  Wallered Out at 138.18 degrees?
 
2013-01-10 01:57:32 PM  

Weaver95: make me some tea:
I would argue that FreeRepublic is, indeed, not the derpiest place on the internet. I've been to the depths of TeaPartyNation.com. I have stared Derp in the face, AND IT STARED BACK AT ME

you are braver than I am - I draw the line at freeperville and the occasional visit to the #tcot twitter feed.  rarely i'll venture into stormfront.org but that's about as far as I go.


It was fun when the intrepid Judson Phillips himself called me out as a troll, after I posted a lengthy refutation to the hilariously moronic "forensic analysis" of the scanned PDF of Obama's original birth certificate.
 
2013-01-10 01:57:43 PM  

Flab: James!: I have dismissed it.

Genevieve Marie: We have to assume all posters are arguing in good faith and we can't try to guess at a user's intentions for the most part.

While I agree with both of you that one has to assume that a poster is acting in good faith, your boss is on the record, a few years ago, saying he was convinced there were paid shils on Fark.


Who are you going to believe:  an alcoholic or your own eyes?
 
2013-01-10 01:57:47 PM  
So now there are 4 mods in here denying it
 
2013-01-10 01:57:54 PM  

brap: I'm holding out for the Five-Headed Hydra of Zionist Media, the Gay Mafia, the NRA, and the Illuminati to get into a bidding war over my opinions.

KA-CHING!


I can pay you in unpaid bar tabs. Or unpaid parking tickets.

/not Jewish but might know someone who can give you a loan
 
2013-01-10 01:58:58 PM  

hillbillypharmacist: I_C_Weener: I ain't judging but what is "geometry porn"?

You've never seen Truncated Icosahedrons:  Wallered Out at 138.18 degrees?


Tell you what, slip me a $5 and I'll show you geometry porn like you wouldn't believe.  I'll submit 10 threads a day about cones intersecting spheres.
 
2013-01-10 01:59:16 PM  

make me some tea: Weaver95: make me some tea:
I would argue that FreeRepublic is, indeed, not the derpiest place on the internet. I've been to the depths of TeaPartyNation.com. I have stared Derp in the face, AND IT STARED BACK AT ME

you are braver than I am - I draw the line at freeperville and the occasional visit to the #tcot twitter feed.  rarely i'll venture into stormfront.org but that's about as far as I go.

It was fun when the intrepid Judson Phillips himself called me out as a troll, after I posted a lengthy refutation to the hilariously moronic "forensic analysis" of the scanned PDF of Obama's original birth certificate.


hmm.  I might have to venture there and see for myself some day.  I will say that most of the more insane right wing sites seem to be moderated with an extremely heavy hand.  that's just my experience though.  you step outta line on freeperville (for example) and you get crushed almost immediately.
 
2013-01-10 01:59:35 PM  

Flab: James!: I have dismissed it.

Genevieve Marie: We have to assume all posters are arguing in good faith and we can't try to guess at a user's intentions for the most part.

While I agree with both of you that one has to assume that a poster is acting in good faith, your boss is on the record, a few years ago, saying he was convinced there were paid shils on Fark.


And I agree with him. I'm sure they pop up from time to time, because they pop up all over the internet. My point is that we can't look at them and know if they're arguing a certain way because they're a campaign social media intern or if they're arguing that way because it's truly how they feel... and it would get pretty messy if we started trying to moderate based on our perception of whether someone's sincere or not.
 
2013-01-10 02:01:22 PM  

sweetmelissa31: So now there are 4 mods in here denying it


Clearly you're through the looking glass.
 
2013-01-10 02:02:11 PM  

sweetmelissa31: So now there are 4 mods in here denying it


well, one is just sexually harassing me.
 
2013-01-10 02:02:13 PM  

sweetmelissa31: So now there are 4 mods in here denying it


So, you admit that it was part of your plan to lure all of us into this thread while your friend posts shill demotivators in another thread?  How soulless must you be to do this?  We are down the rabbit hole and through the whole damned Mad Hatter's tea party now.
 
2013-01-10 02:02:51 PM  

James!: sweetmelissa31: So now there are 4 mods in here denying it

Clearly you're through the looking glass.


I said that....two posts later.
 
2013-01-10 02:03:03 PM  

what_now: sweetmelissa31: So now there are 4 mods in here denying it

well, one is just sexually harassing me.


Business as usual, really.
 
2013-01-10 02:03:25 PM  

I_C_Weener: James!: sweetmelissa31: So now there are 4 mods in here denying it

Clearly you're through the looking glass.

I said that....two posts later.


Holy shiat... MOD ALTS!!
 
2013-01-10 02:03:29 PM  

what_now: sweetmelissa31: So now there are 4 mods in here denying it

well, one is just sexually harassing me.


well you are very sexually harassable.  is that even a word?  f*ck it. it is now.  in your FACE English language!
 
2013-01-10 02:03:31 PM  

I_C_Weener: James!: sweetmelissa31: So now there are 4 mods in here denying it

Clearly you're through the looking glass.

I said that....two posts later.


CAHOOTS!!
 
2013-01-10 02:03:35 PM  

what_now: sweetmelissa31: So now there are 4 mods in here denying it

well, one is just sexually harassing me.


I could white knight you.  But I have to warn you, I only put forth my best effort if paid up front.  I prefer Google Dollars.
 
2013-01-10 02:05:04 PM  

I_C_Weener: what_now: sweetmelissa31: So now there are 4 mods in here denying it

well, one is just sexually harassing me.

I could white knight you.  But I have to warn you, I only put forth my best effort if paid up front.  I prefer Google Dollars.


what, no bitcoins?  fail!
 
2013-01-10 02:05:53 PM  

Weaver95: make me some tea: Weaver95: make me some tea:
I would argue that FreeRepublic is, indeed, not the derpiest place on the internet. I've been to the depths of TeaPartyNation.com. I have stared Derp in the face, AND IT STARED BACK AT ME

you are braver than I am - I draw the line at freeperville and the occasional visit to the #tcot twitter feed.  rarely i'll venture into stormfront.org but that's about as far as I go.

It was fun when the intrepid Judson Phillips himself called me out as a troll, after I posted a lengthy refutation to the hilariously moronic "forensic analysis" of the scanned PDF of Obama's original birth certificate.

hmm.  I might have to venture there and see for myself some day.  I will say that most of the more insane right wing sites seem to be moderated with an extremely heavy hand.  that's just my experience though.  you step outta line on freeperville (for example) and you get crushed almost immediately.


So far I've managed to not catch a ban, nor have any of my comments been deleted. Mocked, yes. But I expect that much.
 
2013-01-10 02:06:20 PM  

I_C_Weener: So, you admit that it was part of your plan to lure all of us into this thread while your friend posts shill demotivators in another thread? How soulless must you be to do this? We are down the rabbit hole and through the whole damned Mad Hatter's tea party now.


What are you talking about? I will stop posting here, you don't even have to ban me.
 
2013-01-10 02:06:54 PM  

what_now: I_C_Weener: James!: sweetmelissa31: So now there are 4 mods in here denying it

Clearly you're through the looking glass.

I said that....two posts later.

Holy shiat... MOD ALTS!!


I am in no way, shape or form associated with that coward and liar Robert Ford...er...James!   In fact, if he said black, I'd say white.  If he said, day, I'd say night...then we'd break out in a Queen song.
 
2013-01-10 02:07:13 PM  

sweetmelissa31: So now there are 4 mods in here denying it


WHICH MUST MEAN IT'S A CONSPIRACY
 
2013-01-10 02:07:13 PM  

Weaver95: I_C_Weener: what_now: sweetmelissa31: So now there are 4 mods in here denying it

well, one is just sexually harassing me.

I could white knight you.  But I have to warn you, I only put forth my best effort if paid up front.  I prefer Google Dollars.

what, no bitcoins?  fail!


I'm not paid to promote bitcoins.
 
2013-01-10 02:07:51 PM  

Rev.K: I'm guessing they do exist on Fark. I can't think of anything else to explain the long list of known threadsh*tters who show up in every single thread about a particular topic.


The copyright threads always generate people who call you criminal if you even mention changing the laws away from their current state.  No one cares that much at least few do here.
 
2013-01-10 02:08:06 PM  

I_C_Weener: Weaver95: I_C_Weener: what_now: sweetmelissa31: So now there are 4 mods in here denying it

well, one is just sexually harassing me.

I could white knight you.  But I have to warn you, I only put forth my best effort if paid up front.  I prefer Google Dollars.

what, no bitcoins?  fail!

I'm not paid to promote bitcoins.


ah, good point.
 
2013-01-10 02:08:18 PM  

Genevieve Marie: Flab: James!: I have dismissed it.

Genevieve Marie: We have to assume all posters are arguing in good faith and we can't try to guess at a user's intentions for the most part.

While I agree with both of you that one has to assume that a poster is acting in good faith, your boss is on the record, a few years ago, saying he was convinced there were paid shils on Fark.

And I agree with him. I'm sure they pop up from time to time, because they pop up all over the internet. My point is that we can't look at them and know if they're arguing a certain way because they're a campaign social media intern or if they're arguing that way because it's truly how they feel... and it would get pretty messy if we started trying to moderate based on our perception of whether someone's sincere or not.


And again, I fully agree with that that it's the way it should be.  Even if someone admits to working for company X and liking the company's products, you can't simply assume he's being paid to do so.
 
2013-01-10 02:08:29 PM  

sweetmelissa31: I_C_Weener: So, you admit that it was part of your plan to lure all of us into this thread while your friend posts shill demotivators in another thread? How soulless must you be to do this? We are down the rabbit hole and through the whole damned Mad Hatter's tea party now.

What are you talking about? I will stop posting here, you don't even have to ban me.


I do not want you to stop posting.  I'm just sharing one of my conspiracy theories.  All the cops are at the donut shop so the jewelry store across town is being hammered with My Little Pony gifs!!!!
 
2013-01-10 02:08:34 PM  

Weaver95: I don't know what scares me more - the possibility that there is an organized effort to disrupt online discussions with paid shills or that the idiots we see in the politics thread really, honestly and truly believe in the slobbering nonsense they post on a daily basis.


I like to think that the blithering idiots tend to out themselves when they get overly emotional.  They start lobbing insults such as "libtards" or "repubtrolls" to where people just start to ignore their talking points.  There is the chance that they're counter argument sock puppets used to discredit one side of the argument, but you eventually get a feel for the sort of arguments and positions where they would need marketing to support.
 
2013-01-10 02:08:58 PM  

Genevieve Marie: sweetmelissa31: So now there are 4 mods in here denying it

WHICH MUST MEAN IT'S A CONSPIRACY


THAT'S JUST WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO THINK!!!
 
2013-01-10 02:09:30 PM  

Flab: Genevieve Marie: Flab: James!: I have dismissed it.

Genevieve Marie: We have to assume all posters are arguing in good faith and we can't try to guess at a user's intentions for the most part.

While I agree with both of you that one has to assume that a poster is acting in good faith, your boss is on the record, a few years ago, saying he was convinced there were paid shils on Fark.

And I agree with him. I'm sure they pop up from time to time, because they pop up all over the internet. My point is that we can't look at them and know if they're arguing a certain way because they're a campaign social media intern or if they're arguing that way because it's truly how they feel... and it would get pretty messy if we started trying to moderate based on our perception of whether someone's sincere or not.

And again, I fully agree with that that it's the way it should be.  Even if someone admits to working for company X and liking the company's products, you can't simply assume he's being paid to do so.


Now if someone links to Company X in every comment.  That's a different story, This is a local shop and we'll have no Spammers here.
 
2013-01-10 02:10:21 PM  

Genevieve Marie: sweetmelissa31: So now there are 4 mods in here denying it

WHICH MUST MEAN IT'S A CONSPIRACY


Glomar...explorer.

seriously.  look it up sometime.  that shiat actually happened.  they built the damn thing, put it out into the ocean...and it worked (sort of).  if that's an example of real world shiat that actually happened, what's going on out there that we DON'T Know about?
 
2013-01-10 02:10:26 PM  

Revek: Rev.K: I'm guessing they do exist on Fark. I can't think of anything else to explain the long list of known threadsh*tters who show up in every single thread about a particular topic.

The copyright threads always generate people who call you criminal if you even mention changing the laws away from their current state.  No one cares that much at least few do here.


You know who could use a paid shill?  Lindsay Lohan.  I mean, is there anyone on the Entertainment tab who gets made fun of more?
 
2013-01-10 02:11:38 PM  

James!: Flab: Genevieve Marie: Flab: James!: I have dismissed it.

Genevieve Marie: We have to assume all posters are arguing in good faith and we can't try to guess at a user's intentions for the most part.

While I agree with both of you that one has to assume that a poster is acting in good faith, your boss is on the record, a few years ago, saying he was convinced there were paid shils on Fark.

And I agree with him. I'm sure they pop up from time to time, because they pop up all over the internet. My point is that we can't look at them and know if they're arguing a certain way because they're a campaign social media intern or if they're arguing that way because it's truly how they feel... and it would get pretty messy if we started trying to moderate based on our perception of whether someone's sincere or not.

And again, I fully agree with that that it's the way it should be.  Even if someone admits to working for company X and liking the company's products, you can't simply assume he's being paid to do so.

Now if someone links to Company X in every comment.  That's a different story, This is a local shop and we'll have no Spammers here.


/brought to you by Carl's Jr.
 
2013-01-10 02:11:53 PM  

I_C_Weener: Revek: Rev.K: I'm guessing they do exist on Fark. I can't think of anything else to explain the long list of known threadsh*tters who show up in every single thread about a particular topic.

The copyright threads always generate people who call you criminal if you even mention changing the laws away from their current state.  No one cares that much at least few do here.

You know who could use a paid shill?  Lindsay Lohan.  I mean, is there anyone on the Entertainment tab who gets made fun of more?


Eh, I go in and defend her. I feel a little bad for her, actually.
 
2013-01-10 02:12:14 PM  

brap: mrshowrules: brap: Are they paid in shillings?

Should I try the meatloaf?

Don't let your meat loaf.

- This post was brought to you by The American Boner Council

- It was actually pro-bono


Fine.  I'll tip my server.
 
2013-01-10 02:13:17 PM  

I_C_Weener: You know who could use a paid shill?  Lindsay Lohan.  I mean, is there anyone on the Entertainment tab who gets made fun of more?


Snookie? Paris Hilton? The Kardashian Koonts? Don't know, but they're up there.

/sadly, enough people shill for those whores for free
 
2013-01-10 02:13:21 PM  

Dinjiin: Weaver95: I don't know what scares me more - the possibility that there is an organized effort to disrupt online discussions with paid shills or that the idiots we see in the politics thread really, honestly and truly believe in the slobbering nonsense they post on a daily basis.

I like to think that the blithering idiots tend to out themselves when they get overly emotional.  They start lobbing insults such as "libtards" or "repubtrolls" to where people just start to ignore their talking points.  There is the chance that they're counter argument sock puppets used to discredit one side of the argument, but you eventually get a feel for the sort of arguments and positions where they would need marketing to support.


thank gods for the ignore button.  the more prolific stupid people can be screened out fairly easy.
 
2013-01-10 02:13:21 PM  

Genevieve Marie: I_C_Weener: Revek: Rev.K: I'm guessing they do exist on Fark. I can't think of anything else to explain the long list of known threadsh*tters who show up in every single thread about a particular topic.

The copyright threads always generate people who call you criminal if you even mention changing the laws away from their current state.  No one cares that much at least few do here.

You know who could use a paid shill?  Lindsay Lohan.  I mean, is there anyone on the Entertainment tab who gets made fun of more?

Eh, I go in and defend her. I feel a little bad for her, actually.


Do you get paid in blow?
 
2013-01-10 02:14:25 PM  

mrshowrules: brap: mrshowrules: brap: Are they paid in shillings?

Should I try the meatloaf?

Don't let your meat loaf.

- This post was brought to you by The American Boner Council

- It was actually pro-bono

Fine.  I'll tip my server.



www.lifeasaplate.com

Appreciates your gratuity.
 
2013-01-10 02:14:27 PM  
The well has been poisoned. Good job Mods.
 
2013-01-10 02:14:37 PM  

I_C_Weener: Genevieve Marie: I_C_Weener: Revek: Rev.K: I'm guessing they do exist on Fark. I can't think of anything else to explain the long list of known threadsh*tters who show up in every single thread about a particular topic.

The copyright threads always generate people who call you criminal if you even mention changing the laws away from their current state.  No one cares that much at least few do here.

You know who could use a paid shill?  Lindsay Lohan.  I mean, is there anyone on the Entertainment tab who gets made fun of more?

Eh, I go in and defend her. I feel a little bad for her, actually.

Do you get paid in blow?


I suppose I could try and negotiate for that.
 
2013-01-10 02:15:14 PM  

Weaver95: Glomar...explorer.

seriously.  look it up sometime.  that shiat actually happened.  they built the damn thing, put it out into the ocean...and it worked (sort of).  if that's an example of real world shiat that actually happened, what's going on out there that we DON'T Know about?


Hell, finding the Titanic.
 
2013-01-10 02:16:19 PM  

Weaver95: thank gods for the ignore button.  the more prolific stupid people can be screened out fairly easy.


A little off topic but that is one function I miss as a mod.  If I could ignore some of what gets posted by certain characters, I'd be happier than....a witch in a broom factory.  Gallagher at at Farmer's market.
 
2013-01-10 02:16:46 PM  

I_C_Weener: Genevieve Marie: I_C_Weener: Revek: Rev.K: I'm guessing they do exist on Fark. I can't think of anything else to explain the long list of known threadsh*tters who show up in every single thread about a particular topic.

The copyright threads always generate people who call you criminal if you even mention changing the laws away from their current state.  No one cares that much at least few do here.

You know who could use a paid shill?  Lindsay Lohan.  I mean, is there anyone on the Entertainment tab who gets made fun of more?

Eh, I go in and defend her. I feel a little bad for her, actually.

Do you get paid in blow?


I dunno about anyone else, but I only get paid in internets around here, AND YOU PEOPLE HAVE BEEN STINGY LATELY
 
2013-01-10 02:17:58 PM  

Jackson Herring: Weaver95: Glomar...explorer.

seriously.  look it up sometime.  that shiat actually happened.  they built the damn thing, put it out into the ocean...and it worked (sort of).  if that's an example of real world shiat that actually happened, what's going on out there that we DON'T Know about?

Hell, finding the Titanic.


I thought they found the Titanic by accident?  they were out there looking for something else and BAM!  there it was...they couldn't announce it until later though because of what they were doing at the time.  later on they launched a search that 'found' it and got all the press coverage.
 
2013-01-10 02:19:04 PM  

Weaver95: I_C_Weener:
In some cases, the Mods can see into your soul.  Google sends me a print out of every GIS you've ever done in exchange for me saying Google online several times a day.  I ain't judging but what is "geometry porn"?

[fac-web.spsu.edu image 600x450]


that picture just made the angle in my pants acute.
 
2013-01-10 02:19:08 PM  

I_C_Weener: Weaver95: thank gods for the ignore button.  the more prolific stupid people can be screened out fairly easy.

A little off topic but that is one function I miss as a mod.  If I could ignore some of what gets posted by certain characters, I'd be happier than....a witch in a broom factory.  Gallagher at at Farmer's market.


I have a couple/few people on ignore.  not as many as you'd think though.  gotta admit, it makes the discussion threads more tolerable.
 
2013-01-10 02:19:10 PM  

I_C_Weener: A little off topic but that is one function I miss as a mod.


On the bright side, you're a more well-rounded individual for seeing such a wide and diverse set of ideas.


/managed to say that with a straight face
 
2013-01-10 02:19:18 PM  

CynicalLA: The well has been poisoned. Good job Mods.


Well, in all honesty and seriousness, if there was some basis to the claim that Fark pushes page hits by allowing paid shills, then it wouldn't be in the best interests of Fark to green this thread so you can talk about it with or without the Mods, would it?
 
2013-01-10 02:20:41 PM  

Dinjiin: I_C_Weener: A little off topic but that is one function I miss as a mod.

On the bright side, you're a more well-rounded individual for seeing such a wide and diverse set of ideas.


/managed to say that with a straight face


I think doctors would say my immune system is stronger for having been exposed to more sickness.
 
2013-01-10 02:21:27 PM  

Weaver95: I thought they found the Titanic by accident?  they were out there looking for something else and BAM!  there it was...they couldn't announce it until later though because of what they were doing at the time.  later on they launched a search that 'found' it and got all the press coverage.


The Navy knew where the Titanic was all along, the entire expedition by WHOI to ostensibly "find" it was cover for them using their ROVs to film a sunken Soviet sub. They let them use like the very last day or two of the expedition to film the Titanic.
 
2013-01-10 02:22:59 PM  

I_C_Weener: CynicalLA: The well has been poisoned. Good job Mods.

Well, in all honesty and seriousness, if there was some basis to the claim that Fark pushes page hits by allowing paid shills, then it wouldn't be in the best interests of Fark to green this thread so you can talk about it with or without the Mods, would it?


We're through the looking glass, people.
 
2013-01-10 02:24:16 PM  
I just want to know how to get in on the money. I don't even care which side.
 
2013-01-10 02:24:21 PM  

I_C_Weener: I think doctors would say my immune system is stronger for having been exposed to more sickness.


"Fark: it is like a chickenpox party for your mind"
 
2013-01-10 02:24:47 PM  
Oh, right. Put on your tin-foil hats.

/this message courtesy of Bland Communications, LLC
 
2013-01-10 02:25:06 PM  
Well I had that a little wrong, read about it here.
 
2013-01-10 02:25:32 PM  

make me some tea: Weaver95: mahuika: brap: All I can say is having read a few politics threads in my day, if someone IS paying those chuckleheads to post the same hardline gibberjabber over and over and over again, they ain't getting there monies worth.

I always used to think that it's more likely that there's some liberal group paying the ridiculous right-wing people most commonly called trolls in order to make the moderate liberals say, like, "Wow, people think that? Let me expand on why they are wrong" which makes that person feel more strongly about The Issues, but that wouldn't explain Freepers.

nothing can explain the freepers.  except maybe a severe meth habit and/or several antisocial personality disorders.

I would argue that FreeRepublic is, indeed, not the derpiest place on the internet. I've been to the depths of TeaPartyNation.com. I have stared Derp in the face, AND IT STARED BACK AT ME


The thing is that FreeRepublic is like one of the top 20 political websites on the internet, which is scary. It's where political influence and derp collide.
 
2013-01-10 02:25:51 PM  

Dinjiin: I_C_Weener: I think doctors would say my immune system is stronger for having been exposed to more sickness.

"Fark: it is like a chickenpox party for your mind"


images2.wikia.nocookie.net

nurgle approves!
 
2013-01-10 02:33:54 PM  

mahuika: make me some tea: Weaver95: mahuika: brap: All I can say is having read a few politics threads in my day, if someone IS paying those chuckleheads to post the same hardline gibberjabber over and over and over again, they ain't getting there monies worth.

I always used to think that it's more likely that there's some liberal group paying the ridiculous right-wing people most commonly called trolls in order to make the moderate liberals say, like, "Wow, people think that? Let me expand on why they are wrong" which makes that person feel more strongly about The Issues, but that wouldn't explain Freepers.

nothing can explain the freepers.  except maybe a severe meth habit and/or several antisocial personality disorders.

I would argue that FreeRepublic is, indeed, not the derpiest place on the internet. I've been to the depths of TeaPartyNation.com. I have stared Derp in the face, AND IT STARED BACK AT ME

The thing is that FreeRepublic is like one of the top 20 political websites on the internet, which is scary. It's where political influence and derp collide.


Well, that is disconcerting.
 
2013-01-10 02:35:04 PM  
Go time!
 
2013-01-10 02:36:00 PM  

James!: Go time!


and here we go!
 
2013-01-10 02:37:12 PM  
www.supplementinnercircle.com
 
2013-01-10 02:38:04 PM  
Wow. this well is poisoned
 
2013-01-10 02:38:10 PM  

James!: Go time!


Weaver95: James!: Go time!

and here we go!


Hydra: [www.supplementinnercircle.com image 259x194]


Let's do this people.   Don't forget your protection.  Don't look anyone in the eye.  Be firm, but polite.  And lets sell this.
 
2013-01-10 02:38:16 PM  
Jesus, you idiots still doing this are you?

GM, get a real job for farks sake all ready and stop shilling for Drew.
 
2013-01-10 02:38:23 PM  

NowhereMon: I wonder how many of these we have at FARK...


Everyone who's not me. Also me
 
2013-01-10 02:38:56 PM  
Chest out, girls!
 
2013-01-10 02:39:34 PM  
Story itself sounds fake as shiat, obviously there are plenty of astroturfers on this and every similar large site, but I'm sure they aren't recruited like secret agents.
 
2013-01-10 02:40:32 PM  

I_C_Weener: James!: Go time!

Weaver95: James!: Go time!

and here we go!

Hydra: [www.supplementinnercircle.com image 259x194]

Let's do this people.   Don't forget your protection.  Don't look anyone in the eye.  Be firm, but polite.  And lets sell this.


Drop pants, look right, and grab left?

/cue PTSD flashback to college
 
2013-01-10 02:40:38 PM  
Trolling Fark? Just like IRL, there are prostitutes and there are those who give it away for free.
 
2013-01-10 02:40:53 PM  
I've already written down 31 names from this thread alone that I now suspect of being paid shills.

Oh, wait, 32 now.
 
2013-01-10 02:41:27 PM  
The site is apparently farked. Maybe the NWO shut it down.
 
2013-01-10 02:41:32 PM  
So this is a paid anti-Israel piece? Got it.
 
2013-01-10 02:41:47 PM  
I am. Ok, I'm not, but I'm interested in the job.
 
2013-01-10 02:42:17 PM  

James!: Sure he was.


This.

I have no doubt these companies may exist, but the author of this piece never worked for one. This "article" reads like a ninth-grade writing assignment.
 
2013-01-10 02:42:46 PM  

Hot Carl To Go: So this is a paid anti-Israel piece? Got it.


I think if you want to be anti-israel all you need do is ask why it is the US supports Israel and what we get out of the deal.
 
2013-01-10 02:43:02 PM  

griffer: Jesus, you idiots still doing this are you?

GM, get a real job for farks sake all ready and stop shilling for Drew.


YOU HUSH YOUR MOUTH GRIFFER
 
2013-01-10 02:43:46 PM  

griffer: Jesus, you idiots still doing this are you?

GM, get a real job for farks sake all ready and stop shilling for Drew.


You make a great point.  Unfortunately it's at the top of your head.

- Brought to you by Zippy The Pinhead and the Levittown Elks Club.  Are we having fun yet?
 
2013-01-10 02:44:10 PM  

Weaver95: Hot Carl To Go: So this is a paid anti-Israel piece? Got it.

I think if you want to be anti-israel all you need do is ask why it is the US supports Israel and what we get out of the deal.


And say, I'm not anti-semite.  Some of my best friends are Hebrew.  Wait...that didn't come out right did it?
 
2013-01-10 02:44:17 PM  

Weaver95: I think if you want to be anti-israel all you need do is ask why it is the US supports Israel and what we get out of the deal.


OK, whatever, Adolf
 
2013-01-10 02:44:32 PM  

James!: Are they trolls or do they just not agree with the majority of farkers? It's more conspiracy nonsense. People think their opinions are so right and beautiful that anyone who disagrees is an obvious troll. Having a contrary opinion in a harsh way? Obvious troll. Consistently having a contrary opinion? Obvious paid troll. Having a consistently contrary opinion and not being banned? ZOMG OBVIOUS PAID MOD TROLL!!!


Are the majority of Fark mods so wildly naive and inattentive that they actually believe that people are labelled as trolls for disagreeing with the majority opinion, or is it just you?
 
2013-01-10 02:44:36 PM  

Genevieve Marie: griffer: Jesus, you idiots still doing this are you?

GM, get a real job for farks sake all ready and stop shilling for Drew.

YOU HUSH YOUR MOUTH GRIFFER


In other news, griffer's back!
 
2013-01-10 02:45:03 PM  
I love Israel, I saw this video about this one time, when those dirty pretenders of palestine were busy getting killed by tank rounds, an Israeli Captain notice this young girls dolly in the middle of the firing area and IMMEDIATELY ordered the shelling of the nearby houses to make sure the little girl never was lonely for her dolly again.

If thats not love, I dont want to know what is!
 
2013-01-10 02:45:13 PM  

griffer: Jesus, you idiots still doing this are you?

GM, get a real job for farks sake all ready and stop shilling for Drew.


Dude, I was JUST THINKING ABOUT YOU.

Saw a guy downtown who looked just like you, down to the black ray bans, nice shoes, and expensive clothes.
 
2013-01-10 02:45:22 PM  

Genevieve Marie: griffer: Jesus, you idiots still doing this are you?

GM, get a real job for farks sake all ready and stop shilling for Drew.

YOU HUSH YOUR MOUTH GRIFFER


No, GM, Nuh-unh, not gonna!

i153.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-10 02:46:26 PM  

Nobodyn0se: James!: Are they trolls or do they just not agree with the majority of farkers? It's more conspiracy nonsense. People think their opinions are so right and beautiful that anyone who disagrees is an obvious troll. Having a contrary opinion in a harsh way? Obvious troll. Consistently having a contrary opinion? Obvious paid troll. Having a consistently contrary opinion and not being banned? ZOMG OBVIOUS PAID MOD TROLL!!!

Are the majority of Fark mods so wildly naive and inattentive that they actually believe that people are labelled as trolls for disagreeing with the majority opinion, or is it just you?


I imagine your list of who is a troll is quite long.  The fact that they all happen to disagree with you politically is no doubt a coincidence.
 
2013-01-10 02:46:30 PM  

griffer: No, GM, Nuh-unh, not gonna!


That made me spit coke zero on my keyboard. You bastard.
 
2013-01-10 02:46:30 PM  

griffer: Genevieve Marie: griffer: Jesus, you idiots still doing this are you?

GM, get a real job for farks sake all ready and stop shilling for Drew.

YOU HUSH YOUR MOUTH GRIFFER

No, GM, Nuh-unh, not gonna!

[i153.photobucket.com image 336x639]


Some people were never meant to have access to photobucket.
 
2013-01-10 02:47:03 PM  
GM

You remind me a lot of that chick Brandi from The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.
 
2013-01-10 02:47:27 PM  

BunkoSquad: OK, whatever, Adolf


i153.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-10 02:47:39 PM  
I_C_Weener:
Some people were never meant to have access to photobucket.

true words my friend.
 
2013-01-10 02:47:45 PM  
Wait, you can get paid for that? And here I am giving it away for free for years.
 
2013-01-10 02:48:12 PM  
That has been my assumption of those who so vocally support frankensalmon.
 
2013-01-10 02:48:29 PM  

Dynascape: GM

You remind me a lot of that chick Brandi from The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.


If I didn't know any better, I'd assume you had to be paid to watch the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.
 
2013-01-10 02:48:40 PM  

Genevieve Marie: griffer: No, GM, Nuh-unh, not gonna!

That made me spit coke zero on my keyboard. You bastard.


You spit now?
 
2013-01-10 02:48:45 PM  
 
2013-01-10 02:48:55 PM  

Dynascape: GM

You remind me a lot of that chick Brandi from The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.


I think I'm vaguely insulted by this, but I'm not really sure?

Damn my lack of cable television.
 
2013-01-10 02:49:00 PM  

Genevieve Marie: griffer: No, GM, Nuh-unh, not gonna!

That made me spit coke zero on my keyboard. You bastard.


This post was brought to you by the Coca Cola corporation and the Society for Advancement of Unwed Mothers.  Have a Coke and a smile spit-take.
 
2013-01-10 02:49:23 PM  
I'll argue any point you want, for the modest sum of one hundred thousand US dollars.
 
2013-01-10 02:49:43 PM  

I_C_Weener: Dynascape: GM

You remind me a lot of that chick Brandi from The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.

If I didn't know any better, I'd assume you had to be paid to watch the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.


"payment" of sorts.

Something in the marriage contract about having to watch that shiat in order to get some unts unts.
 
2013-01-10 02:49:51 PM  

James!: I imagine your list of who is a troll is quite long. The fact that they all happen to disagree with you politically is no doubt a coincidence.


EVERYONE on Fark disagrees with me politically on some issues. You don't see me calling everyone on Fark a troll, do you?

I am sick and tired of people (especially those in "power") obfuscating the real issues that Fark has by completely misrepresenting them. This is a perfect example. People are not labelled trolls because they disagree with the majority opinion, and anyone who says otherwise hasn't been paying attention. The very notion is patently ridiculous, as no two people's political opinions are exactly the same.

Stop trying to turn Fark's troll problem into some petty fight between people who don't agree. That's not the problem and you know it (or at least should know it). All you're doing is obfuscating the real issues and making it harder for anyone to do anything about it. You should be ashamed of yourself.
 
2013-01-10 02:50:31 PM  
so i can believe that people are payed to astroturf, which is imminently believable.
or i can believe that above top secret is the crazy play ground where imagination goes to dry hump reality, which is equally believable.

united amalgamated industries, really?
 
2013-01-10 02:50:48 PM  

James!: You have to have a thick skin to be a conservative farker.


They'll get over it.
 
2013-01-10 02:50:51 PM  

NowhereMon: I wonder how many of these we have at FARK...


I doubt any. I'm sure many feel that the postings on Fark actually carry weight or are being seen by different organizations but the truth is this isn't the place people go for meaningful politiclal insight. Sorry kids. Most of the political comments are trolls.

I do know Fark is a wonderful resource for Radio DJ's who are looking to find quirky stories to add to thier banter.
 
GBB
2013-01-10 02:51:20 PM  
t3.gstatic.com

300+ comments and no one thinks of this?
Slipping. You're all slipping.
 
2013-01-10 02:51:27 PM  

Dynascape: black ray bans, nice shoes, and expensive clothes.


Um, okay. Glad it wasn't some poorly dressed bum like brap.

Hey, brap, what's with all the buttons. It's like STNG in here and I feel all Captain Pike. I need to hold somebodies hand.
 
2013-01-10 02:51:28 PM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: I'll argue any point you want, for the modest sum of one hundred thousand US dollars.


"That's my opinion, and if you don't like it, I have others." - Groucho
 
2013-01-10 02:51:53 PM  
I should get paid for THIS

<a href="http://s1231.beta.photobucket.com/user/RADanny/media/shakeweigh t-1.gif .html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee512/RADanny/shakeweight-1. gif" border="0" alt="Photobucket"/></a>
 
2013-01-10 02:52:13 PM  
Off topic: are we going to get a Benghazi thread greened today?

/baby needs a new pair of shoes.
 
2013-01-10 02:52:17 PM  

Rev.K: I'm guessing they do exist on Fark. I can't think of anything else to explain the long list of known threadsh*tters who show up in every single thread about a particular topic.


Basically this. I mean, I like to check in every now and then but I have to...you know...work so my family can live. I suppose it would be easier if this was my job.
 
2013-01-10 02:52:32 PM  

Nobodyn0se: James!: I imagine your list of who is a troll is quite long. The fact that they all happen to disagree with you politically is no doubt a coincidence.

EVERYONE on Fark disagrees with me politically on some issues. You don't see me calling everyone on Fark a troll, do you?

I am sick and tired of people (especially those in "power") obfuscating the real issues that Fark has by completely misrepresenting them. This is a perfect example. People are not labelled trolls because they disagree with the majority opinion, and anyone who says otherwise hasn't been paying attention. The very notion is patently ridiculous, as no two people's political opinions are exactly the same.

Stop trying to turn Fark's troll problem into some petty fight between people who don't agree. That's not the problem and you know it (or at least should know it). All you're doing is obfuscating the real issues and making it harder for anyone to do anything about it. You should be ashamed of yourself.


Actually, I don't recognize you.  So who knows what you think or what you've seen.  I know what I've scene, I've seen a lot of people accuse others of being trolls for making arguments they don't like.  I see it everyday.

How are you defining troll, by the way?
 
2013-01-10 02:52:39 PM  

you are a puppet: Story itself sounds fake as shiat, obviously there are plenty of astroturfers on this and every similar large site, but I'm sure they aren't recruited like secret agents.


Definitely fake.  I'm not saying there aren't public relations firms who pay people to post viral marketing sh*t on the internet, but the idea that they operate like some sort of terrorist cell is just stupid.
 
2013-01-10 02:52:58 PM  
They need to fix that shiaty site
 
2013-01-10 02:53:26 PM  

halfof33: Off topic: are we going to get a Benghazi thread greened today?

/baby needs a new pair of shoes.


can't you just pick a thread and turn it into a benghazi conspiracy?  go vomit on the business tab.  they could use the traffic.
 
2013-01-10 02:53:28 PM  

Nobodyn0se: James!: I imagine your list of who is a troll is quite long. The fact that they all happen to disagree with you politically is no doubt a coincidence.

EVERYONE on Fark disagrees with me politically on some issues. You don't see me calling everyone on Fark a troll, do you?

I am sick and tired of people (especially those in "power") obfuscating the real issues that Fark has by completely misrepresenting them. This is a perfect example. People are not labelled trolls because they disagree with the majority opinion, and anyone who says otherwise hasn't been paying attention. The very notion is patently ridiculous, as no two people's political opinions are exactly the same.

Stop trying to turn Fark's troll problem into some petty fight between people who don't agree. That's not the problem and you know it (or at least should know it). All you're doing is obfuscating the real issues and making it harder for anyone to do anything about it. You should be ashamed of yourself.


I think the gun control threads...gun owner threads...might paint a different picture.  Lately those have been hard to keep up with since everyone on the other side is a troll.  Not saying you think that way, though you protest a lot, but especially with the pol tab, the word troll is used way too often.  Also, idiot, moron, dumbfark, mental midget, too dumb to breath, and bob.
 
2013-01-10 02:53:29 PM  
WTF?
 
2013-01-10 02:54:02 PM  
Love how the first person (OK, third) on here was a mod, furiously debunking the idea that there could POSSIBLY be paid shills out there.

Despite the fact that we've got at least three right here on Fark who have openly admitted they get paid to do just that thing. Although I doubt that the hack who wrote the article is such a shill, why is it so hard to accept that there are idiot organizations who would gladly pay bad writers to go onto forums and hawk their opinions for them? In the media, we call them "advertisers" so why would it be different in an ideas forum?

It would be a marginally better gig than, say, writing for Wingnut Daily.
 
2013-01-10 02:54:29 PM  

Rev.K: How can I get paid to be a liberal shill?


Go on welfare.
 
2013-01-10 02:55:15 PM  
Holy hell that website is just awful.
 
2013-01-10 02:55:25 PM  
Paid in merch and Maverick Points, maybe.
 
2013-01-10 02:55:37 PM  

mainstreet62: Rev.K: How can I get paid to be a liberal shill?

Go on welfare.


oh very clever!  so...eat any good books lately?
 
2013-01-10 02:56:09 PM  

James!: It doesn't happen a lot. I have seen it in my entire career maybe twice and only one of those was doing it in politics. And neither of them are doing it anymore.


The only one ever caught was the sneakily named sprawl15's troll alt.

James!: Why would anyone need to pay someone to argue on the internet?


Message control. As long as you think a specific argument leans in your favor rather than your opponent's, you have a vested interest in ensuring the argument doesn't change between now and election. Nobody's going to be convinced by a paid troll's arguments, but the conversation isn't allowed to go anywhere. And that's ultimately the real problem - paid trolls or just assholes - with a lot of conversations, where people just slam the same two dicks together for 700 posts. And many, many times it's the same small group of people who set the dick slamming threads up to shout about the same shiat over and over again.

James!: Now if someone links to Company X in every comment. That's a different story, This is a local shop and we'll have no Spammers here.


something something farkus tab
 
2013-01-10 02:56:10 PM  
How lame.

Some Fark mod's greenlighting their own shiatty yahoo article.
 
2013-01-10 02:56:42 PM  

Nobodyn0se: James!: I imagine your list of who is a troll is quite long. The fact that they all happen to disagree with you politically is no doubt a coincidence.

EVERYONE on Fark disagrees with me politically on some issues. You don't see me calling everyone on Fark a troll, do you?

I am sick and tired of people (especially those in "power") obfuscating the real issues that Fark has by completely misrepresenting them. This is a perfect example. People are not labelled trolls because they disagree with the majority opinion, and anyone who says otherwise hasn't been paying attention. The very notion is patently ridiculous, as no two people's political opinions are exactly the same.

Stop trying to turn Fark's troll problem into some petty fight between people who don't agree. That's not the problem and you know it (or at least should know it). All you're doing is obfuscating the real issues and making it harder for anyone to do anything about it. You should be ashamed of yourself.


Meh. I got called a troll for a Monty Python reference someone didn't get. Doesn't take much for some people.
 
2013-01-10 02:56:43 PM  

NowhereMon: I wonder how many of these we have at FARK...


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There sure are a lot here. Remember to OWS threads and how they were swarmed by posters in unison, and now the gun ban threads. Welcome to the world of the DNC.
 
2013-01-10 02:56:57 PM  

GBB: [t3.gstatic.com image 208x242]

300+ comments and no one thinks of this?
Slipping. You're all slipping.


We all did, in 2005.
 
2013-01-10 02:57:04 PM  
Keith Briffa? Michael Mann? James Hansen? Phil Jones?
 
2013-01-10 02:57:31 PM  

sprawl15: The only one ever caught was the sneakily named sprawl15's troll alt.


That was so lame it doesn't even count.  How easy would you say it was to switch between then two in a fast moving thread?
 
2013-01-10 02:57:34 PM  
Funny, I remember reading a very similar story, but the poster was supposed to be Anti-Israel a few months back.
 
2013-01-10 02:58:02 PM  
I wondered when BillCo would get his own headline....
 
2013-01-10 02:58:32 PM  

david_gaithersburg: NowhereMon: I wonder how many of these we have at FARK...

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There sure are a lot here. Remember to OWS threads and how they were swarmed by posters in unison, and now the gun ban threads. Welcome to the world of the DNC.


Because nobody could possibly agree with OWS or that gun violence is out of control in this country....it HAS to be a conspiracy!
 
2013-01-10 02:58:45 PM  

david_gaithersburg: NowhereMon: I wonder how many of these we have at FARK...

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There sure are a lot here. Remember to OWS threads and how they were swarmed by posters in unison, and now the gun ban threads. Welcome to the world of the DNC.


In one OWS thread I got called a Wall Street puppet and a stupid OWS hippy.  Maybe I'm working both sides of the argument?
 
2013-01-10 02:59:08 PM  

griffer: Hey, brap, what's with all the buttons. It's like STNG in here and I feel all Captain Pike. I need to hold somebodies hand.


The additional buttons were brought to you due to us being strong-armed by the all- powerful Button Lobby. They're like the Teamsters of the clothes fastening industry.  We considered completely converting to snaps and zippers but enough legs were broken that we had to change our tune.
 
2013-01-10 02:59:12 PM  

DammitIForgotMyLogin: NowhereMon: I wonder how many of these we have at FARK...

That depends, do you mean individual people, or accounts?


I'm going to go ahead and read this thread now, but I'm going to guess up front this will be the most insightful comment.
 
2013-01-10 02:59:14 PM  
consciouslifenews.com

So, is this the acceptable business attire for professional internet trolling?.
 
2013-01-10 02:59:33 PM  
I was a paid internet shill:

We all were for a while there with the Fark Gods handing out $50 Ultrafark and $5 TF subs.

I'd say I've made about 300 dollars on this site in the past 5-7 years.
 
2013-01-10 02:59:49 PM  

James!: david_gaithersburg: NowhereMon: I wonder how many of these we have at FARK...

.
There sure are a lot here. Remember to OWS threads and how they were swarmed by posters in unison, and now the gun ban threads. Welcome to the world of the DNC.

In one OWS thread I got called a Wall Street puppet and a stupid OWS hippy.  Maybe I'm working both sides of the argument?


me too!  I love it when that happens.
 
2013-01-10 03:00:00 PM  
I used to post on GLP for the lulz and have actually heard my lulzy stuff regurgitated over the air on short wave and c2c. I was also threatened with a lawsuit from some kooks on shortwave over the air for hooking them like a trout that swallowed a rapala.
 
2013-01-10 03:00:14 PM  
 
2013-01-10 03:00:32 PM  

James!: Actually, I don't recognize you. So who knows what you think or what you've seen. I know what I've scene, I've seen a lot of people accuse others of being trolls for making arguments they don't like. I see it everyday.

How are you defining troll, by the way?


People who create accounts specifically for the purpose of arguing a point they don't actually believe in for the purpose of pissing people off. People who "threadshiat." People who make the same completely ridiculous arguments time and time again after having been conclusively proven that they are factually incorrect (and I do NOT mean opinions here, I mean factually incorrect. I also don't mean once or twice, I mean time after time).

Some of these people have been outed, so don't try and pretend that people like this don't exist.

I_C_Weener: I think the gun control threads...gun owner threads...might paint a different picture. Lately those have been hard to keep up with since everyone on the other side is a troll. Not saying you think that way, though you protest a lot, but especially with the pol tab, the word troll is used way too often. Also, idiot, moron, dumbfark, mental midget, too dumb to breath, and bob.


Absolutely it is used way too often, but that doesn't mean it isn't completely justified in many instances. The fact that people are accused of being trolls when they're not actually trolls does NOT mean that real trolls don't actually exist in large numbers or that all trolls are just "people who disagree", as James! seems to be suggesting.
 
2013-01-10 03:00:44 PM  

CygnusDarius: [consciouslifenews.com image 425x282]

So, is this the acceptable business attire for professional internet trolling?.


hey, that's how I surf the internets every gotdamn day!  well, that and i'm not wearing any pants.
 
2013-01-10 03:00:50 PM  

Weaver95: david_gaithersburg: NowhereMon: I wonder how many of these we have at FARK...

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There sure are a lot here. Remember to OWS threads and how they were swarmed by posters in unison, and now the gun ban threads. Welcome to the world of the DNC.

Because nobody could possibly agree with OWS or that gun violence is out of control in this country....it HAS to be a conspiracy!


To be fair, it is hard not to agree with OWS. They do encompass pretty much every cause ever.
 
2013-01-10 03:01:08 PM  

Weaver95: James!: david_gaithersburg: NowhereMon: I wonder how many of these we have at FARK...

.
There sure are a lot here. Remember to OWS threads and how they were swarmed by posters in unison, and now the gun ban threads. Welcome to the world of the DNC.

In one OWS thread I got called a Wall Street puppet and a stupid OWS hippy.  Maybe I'm working both sides of the argument?

me too!  I love it when that happens.


I'm also pro and anti israel depending on who you ask.  And god forbid you try to make a joke in a gun thread.  They'll farking rip you apart.

People take the internet too seriously.
 
2013-01-10 03:01:20 PM  

Giltric: I used to post on GLP for the lulz and have actually heard my lulzy stuff regurgitated over the air on short wave and c2c. I was also threatened with a lawsuit from some kooks on shortwave over the air for hooking them like a trout that swallowed a rapala.


Ooooh! Can I touch your bicep?
 
2013-01-10 03:01:26 PM  
Hold up. I thought this site was a training ground EXCLUSIVELY for trolls! There are non-trolls here?
 
2013-01-10 03:01:35 PM  

mainstreet62: Rev.K: How can I get paid to be a liberal shill?

Go on welfare.


That and join the sheople over in the Politics tab.
 
2013-01-10 03:02:08 PM  

whidbey: I was a paid internet shill:

We all were for a while there with the Fark Gods handing out $50 Ultrafark and $5 TF subs.

I'd say I've made about 300 dollars on this site in the past 5-7 years.


Do you flash wads of coupons to impress dates?
 
2013-01-10 03:02:26 PM  

James!: Nobodyn0se: James!: Are they trolls or do they just not agree with the majority of farkers? It's more conspiracy nonsense. People think their opinions are so right and beautiful that anyone who disagrees is an obvious troll. Having a contrary opinion in a harsh way? Obvious troll. Consistently having a contrary opinion? Obvious paid troll. Having a consistently contrary opinion and not being banned? ZOMG OBVIOUS PAID MOD TROLL!!!

Are the majority of Fark mods so wildly naive and inattentive that they actually believe that people are labelled as trolls for disagreeing with the majority opinion, or is it just you?

I imagine your list of who is a troll is quite long.  The fact that they all happen to disagree with you politically is no doubt a coincidence.


This guy is a psychic.

So the answer is, mostly all naive.
 
2013-01-10 03:02:32 PM  

sprawl15: James!: Why would anyone need to pay someone to argue on the internet?

Message control.


BINGO.

See any number of Daily Show montages where a zillion talking heads and Republicans are all somehow using the exact same "key phrases" and talking points... oh, yeah, and that one time the guy on Fox and Friends accidentally REVEALED THE DETAILS OF THE F--KING RNC MEMO.

The depressing thing is when I talk to people who are genuinely middle of the road and they apparently unknowingly repeat the same key phrase which was the flavor of the week prior.  Repeat something inane often enough to make it become truth.  That's the RNC way.
 
2013-01-10 03:02:43 PM  

Weaver95: CygnusDarius: [consciouslifenews.com image 425x282]

So, is this the acceptable business attire for professional internet trolling?.

hey, that's how I surf the internets every gotdamn day!  well, that and i'm not wearing any pants.


We need to get you a job Weave.
 
2013-01-10 03:03:07 PM  
You know there are real jobs out there where you can stay home and be on the computer all day. It's not a whole lot of fun like trolling, but I made some extra money rating searching engines. I know a woman who supports her family doing the rating stuff all day long.

\just sayin'
 
2013-01-10 03:03:24 PM  
The next day, I arrived at the address - the third floor in a crumbling building. The appearance of the place did not inspire confidence. After walking down a long, filthy linoleum-covered corridor lit by dimly-flickering halogen, I came to the entrance of the office itself: a crudely battered metal door with a sign that said "United Amalgamated Industries, Inc."

...and I stopped reading there - clearly made-up bullshiat.
 
2013-01-10 03:03:37 PM  
skullkrusher:

To be fair, it is hard not to agree with OWS. They do encompass pretty much every cause ever.

no, actually they're pretty focused, at least when it comes to ideology.  when it comes to putting into practice, they diversify in their responses but you get that when you have such a big issue to tackle.

I figured OWS was doing right when the cops and FBI started beating the snot outta them for asking wall street uncomfortable questions.
 
2013-01-10 03:04:06 PM  

david_gaithersburg: NowhereMon: I wonder how many of these we have at FARK...

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There sure are a lot here. Remember to OWS threads and how they were swarmed by posters in unison, and now the gun ban threads. Welcome to the world of the DNC.


Yawn.
 
2013-01-10 03:04:50 PM  

Anti_illuminati: Weaver95: CygnusDarius: [consciouslifenews.com image 425x282]

So, is this the acceptable business attire for professional internet trolling?.

hey, that's how I surf the internets every gotdamn day!  well, that and i'm not wearing any pants.

We need to get you a job Weave.


tell me about it.  I posted a bunch of applications this week alone.  meh...we shall see if any of the hits I got prior to the holidays turn into a job offer.
 
2013-01-10 03:04:53 PM  

palladiate: back in the dark days of 2004 I manage a stalking horse campaign here in sunny NC that elected one of the worst representatives in the US House.



Virginia Foxx???

You. BASTARD.
 
2013-01-10 03:05:06 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: the guy on Fox and Friends accidentally REVEALED THE DETAILS OF THE F--KING RNC MEMO.


I remember that.  It was the morning show girl.  Her co-anchor was staring at her slack-jawed while she read it.
 
2013-01-10 03:05:33 PM  

brap: whidbey: I was a paid internet shill:

We all were for a while there with the Fark Gods handing out $50 Ultrafark and $5 TF subs.

I'd say I've made about 300 dollars on this site in the past 5-7 years.

Do you flash wads of coupons to impress dates?


No I Google old threads and make them read my exploits before a bout of politically satisfying sex. It's only fair.
 
2013-01-10 03:06:01 PM  
Heck, I'm so far out of contract, I can talk about this and not get sued anymore, probably.

In the 90's a growing online service that I won't name hired people called "Animators" for chat and discussion. They had a room full of people that were paid to sign in and essentially argue or flirt with the users. Each person was required to have multiple accounts at least one had to be female.  The idea is that more arguments bring more people and more people brings more revenue, especially back then when access was hourly. It went over pretty well, you could get a lot of people to argue for not a lot of money.

As the service become more popular, less people were needed and eventually it was stopped as they became able to argue amongst themselves. I would be amazed if no one else figured this out, it's a very old tactic.
 
2013-01-10 03:06:01 PM  

Weaver95: CygnusDarius: [consciouslifenews.com image 425x282]

So, is this the acceptable business attire for professional internet trolling?.

hey, that's how I surf the internets every gotdamn day!  well, that and i'm not wearing any pants.


And why do you have to carry around what is obviously a macbook, and not place it in desk?.
 
2013-01-10 03:06:48 PM  

CygnusDarius: Weaver95: CygnusDarius: [consciouslifenews.com image 425x282]

So, is this the acceptable business attire for professional internet trolling?.

hey, that's how I surf the internets every gotdamn day!  well, that and i'm not wearing any pants.

And why do you have to carry around what is obviously a macbook, and not place it in desk?.


because!  um...well...I don't know.
 
2013-01-10 03:06:50 PM  
Thanks for the TF R A Danny! What it IS.
 
2013-01-10 03:07:00 PM  

mainstreet62: Rev.K: How can I get paid to be a liberal shill?

Go on welfare.


[ohsnap.jpg]

Suck it weaver.
 
2013-01-10 03:07:05 PM  
I can get paid to do this? shiat I've been doing this for free all this time.
 
2013-01-10 03:07:07 PM  

griffer: Giltric: I used to post on GLP for the lulz and have actually heard my lulzy stuff regurgitated over the air on short wave and c2c. I was also threatened with a lawsuit from some kooks on shortwave over the air for hooking them like a trout that swallowed a rapala.

Ooooh! Can I touch your bicep?


2$

/Wash your hands first.
 
2013-01-10 03:07:18 PM  
You betcha!
 
2013-01-10 03:07:27 PM  

imontheinternet: StreetlightInTheGhetto: the guy on Fox and Friends accidentally REVEALED THE DETAILS OF THE F--KING RNC MEMO.

I remember that.  It was the morning show girl.  Her co-anchor was staring at her slack-jawed while she read it.


Backwards.  I think the brown haired guy who isn't Steve Doocey (spelling?) read it outloud.  Gretchen was the one who had the "YOU IDIOT YOU WILL DIE BY MY HANDS" look in her eyes after he started reading.
 
2013-01-10 03:07:40 PM  

kombat_unit: mainstreet62: Rev.K: How can I get paid to be a liberal shill?

Go on welfare.

[ohsnap.jpg]

Suck it weaver.


the sad thing is that even on unemployment I make too much money for welfare.
 
2013-01-10 03:08:12 PM  

Nobodyn0se: People who create accounts specifically for the purpose of arguing a point they don't actually believe in for the purpose of pissing people off. People who "threadshiat." People who make the same completely ridiculous arguments time and time again after having been conclusively proven that they are factually incorrect (and I do NOT mean opinions here, I mean factually incorrect. I also don't mean once or twice, I mean time after time).

Some of these people have been outed, so don't try and pretend that people like this don't exist.


No, I've seen these outings.  I've yet to see a correct one though. People do get excited about them.

Fark does not require that people acknowledge that they are wrong.  Fark does not require that people respond to you if they don't want to.  Fark would actually prefer if more ridiculousness could be inserted into the process because it's supposed to be about the laughs.  Fark does not require that you avoid arguments if other members don't like them so long as they're on topic.
 
2013-01-10 03:08:13 PM  

thomps: can we please get back to talking about how bad obamacare is, i feel like this thread has deviated too far away from that topic.


OK, so this is funny

what_now: what_now: What is "sock puppet"?

Do I really have to explain it to you AGAIN? Stupid lib.


This too

I_C_Weener: Good faith? No ma'am. Most of these posters are athiests.


Actually, most of them are just athier. Only one can be athiest
 
2013-01-10 03:08:49 PM  

SlothB77: and here i am doing this for free.


Yep, You just pwned us all!
 
2013-01-10 03:08:51 PM  

Weaver95: Anti_illuminati: Weaver95: CygnusDarius: [consciouslifenews.com image 425x282]

So, is this the acceptable business attire for professional internet trolling?.

hey, that's how I surf the internets every gotdamn day!  well, that and i'm not wearing any pants.

We need to get you a job Weave.

tell me about it.  I posted a bunch of applications this week alone.  meh...we shall see if any of the hits I got prior to the holidays turn into a job offer.


What are you looking to do?
 
2013-01-10 03:08:53 PM  

imontheinternet: StreetlightInTheGhetto: the guy on Fox and Friends accidentally REVEALED THE DETAILS OF THE F--KING RNC MEMO.

I remember that.  It was the morning show girl.  Her co-anchor was staring at her slack-jawed while she read it.


Steve Doocy might seem effeminate but I still think he's a guy.
 
2013-01-10 03:08:53 PM  

James!: sprawl15: The only one ever caught was the sneakily named sprawl15's troll alt.

That was so lame it doesn't even count.  How easy would you say it was to switch between then two in a fast moving thread?


Extremely. Though, I went out of my way to not sock puppet proper on it, by trying to never comment on the same conversation with both accounts. The easiest thing to do would be to untick the 'remember me' box and have your computer not autocomplete for you. Then you're forced to check your login every post.

James!: How are you defining troll, by the way?


The definition I've had from the mod staff of 'troll' is basically 'asshole'. If you insult people, you can be banned for trolling. The definition I use for troll, though, is someone who intentionally posts inflammatory shiat for the sole purpose of riling up a reaction. I am nearly always an asshole, but only sometimes trolly.

The problem that a lot of people have is that a discussion is supposed to be a discussion. In an Israel thread, people talk about Israel. If Poster A has the opinion that Israel are a bunch of zionist scumbag baby killers and they simply post stuff to that extent over and over again (especially when it's been disproved in many, many threads), they simply aren't contributing to the discussion at that point. That's not really trolling and not really being an asshole, and they may very well be honest in their opinions, but it's more destructive to any chance for discussion than one person popping in and posting a line of blatant racism, or a person jumping in and saying "but what about BENGHAZI???".

And it's gotten far, far worse over the last few years, since that's an 'in' for being disruptive. And, from the end user perspective, I don't really care if the disruptive activity is honest opinion or paid troll, I just care that it's disruptive.
 
2013-01-10 03:08:59 PM  

Weaver95: david_gaithersburg: NowhereMon: I wonder how many of these we have at FARK...

.
There sure are a lot here. Remember to OWS threads and how they were swarmed by posters in unison, and now the gun ban threads. Welcome to the world of the DNC.

Because nobody could possibly agree with OWS or that gun violence is out of control in this country....it HAS to be a conspiracy!


.
Oh come now. Once those things were greenlit they were hit with about three hundred posts in a matter of minutes, and then the posters ran along until the next green light. Most of them were also new accounts.
 
2013-01-10 03:09:29 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Backwards. I think the brown haired guy who isn't Steve Doocey (spelling?) read it outloud. Gretchen was the one who had the "YOU IDIOT YOU WILL DIE BY MY HANDS" look in her eyes after he started reading.


You might be right about that.  They do so much dumb sh*t, it's hard to keep it all straight.
 
2013-01-10 03:09:32 PM  
So, since I've been around here since 2004, odds are one of these agencies has a profile on me, and someone is being paid, expressly, to troll me personally.

Bring it, beeyotch, cause I will smack you down for free.
 
2013-01-10 03:09:56 PM  

Anti_illuminati: Weaver95: Anti_illuminati: Weaver95: CygnusDarius: [consciouslifenews.com image 425x282]

So, is this the acceptable business attire for professional internet trolling?.

hey, that's how I surf the internets every gotdamn day!  well, that and i'm not wearing any pants.

We need to get you a job Weave.

tell me about it.  I posted a bunch of applications this week alone.  meh...we shall see if any of the hits I got prior to the holidays turn into a job offer.

What are you looking to do?


IT stuff.  system admin, mainframe operator/programmer.  scheduler.  hell, anything at this point, i'm not picky.  just as long as it's day shift and NOT weekends as a standard shift.
 
2013-01-10 03:10:24 PM  

Weaver95: I figured OWS was doing right when the cops and FBI started beating the snot outta them for asking wall street uncomfortable questions.


Remember your "live" blow by blow of the non-existent "police riot" in Boston? And how it was the most violent police misconduct in 30 years?

Lolz, what did you make off that fable?
 
2013-01-10 03:10:34 PM  

david_gaithersburg: Weaver95: david_gaithersburg: NowhereMon: I wonder how many of these we have at FARK...

.
There sure are a lot here. Remember to OWS threads and how they were swarmed by posters in unison, and now the gun ban threads. Welcome to the world of the DNC.

Because nobody could possibly agree with OWS or that gun violence is out of control in this country....it HAS to be a conspiracy!

.
Oh come now. Once those things were greenlit they were hit with about three hundred posts in a matter of minutes, and then the posters ran along until the next green light. Most of them were also new accounts.


This is what paid shill would say to divert attention from themselves. =)
 
2013-01-10 03:10:39 PM  

Weaver95: skullkrusher:

To be fair, it is hard not to agree with OWS. They do encompass pretty much every cause ever.

no, actually they're pretty focused, at least when it comes to ideology.  when it comes to putting into practice, they diversify in their responses but you get that when you have such a big issue to tackle.

I figured OWS was doing right when the cops and FBI started beating the snot outta them for asking wall street uncomfortable questions.


I guess you experienced a different one than I did.
When the founder of Ben and Jerry's pulled his van because they've gone beyond the point, I can't see how you can claim they were focused.
 
2013-01-10 03:10:39 PM  

david_gaithersburg: Weaver95: david_gaithersburg: NowhereMon: I wonder how many of these we have at FARK...

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There sure are a lot here. Remember to OWS threads and how they were swarmed by posters in unison, and now the gun ban threads. Welcome to the world of the DNC.

Because nobody could possibly agree with OWS or that gun violence is out of control in this country....it HAS to be a conspiracy!

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Oh come now. Once those things were greenlit they were hit with about three hundred posts in a matter of minutes, and then the posters ran along until the next green light. Most of them were also new accounts.


yes, it was all a plot.  keep thinking that!
 
2013-01-10 03:10:51 PM  

Weaver95: Anti_illuminati: Weaver95: Anti_illuminati: Weaver95: CygnusDarius: [consciouslifenews.com image 425x282]

So, is this the acceptable business attire for professional internet trolling?.

hey, that's how I surf the internets every gotdamn day!  well, that and i'm not wearing any pants.

We need to get you a job Weave.

tell me about it.  I posted a bunch of applications this week alone.  meh...we shall see if any of the hits I got prior to the holidays turn into a job offer.

What are you looking to do?

IT stuff.  system admin, mainframe operator/programmer.  scheduler.  hell, anything at this point, i'm not picky.  just as long as it's day shift and NOT weekends as a standard shift.


What city?
 
2013-01-10 03:10:55 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: thomps: can we please get back to talking about how bad obamacare is, i feel like this thread has deviated too far away from that topic.

OK, so this is funny

what_now: what_now: What is "sock puppet"?

Do I really have to explain it to you AGAIN? Stupid lib.

This too

I_C_Weener: Good faith? No ma'am. Most of these posters are athiests.

Actually, most of them are just athier. Only one can be athiest


My dog now this I'm insane because I just busted out laughing so thanks. I'm rather apathetic so I guess I'm athier.
 
2013-01-10 03:11:17 PM  

James!: No, I've seen these outings. I've yet to see a correct one though. People do get excited about them.

Fark does not require that people acknowledge that they are wrong. Fark does not require that people respond to you if they don't want to. Fark would actually prefer if more ridiculousness could be inserted into the process because it's supposed to be about the laughs. Fark does not require that you avoid arguments if other members don't like them so long as they're on topic.


Alright, so in other words, you're not interested in actually discussing the problem, but are hell bent on obfuscating the issue. Good luck with that whole "trolls are only people who disagree with you" thing. I doubt it will work, but keep going with it.

I actually have work to do. Have fun.
 
2013-01-10 03:11:23 PM  

CygnusDarius: [consciouslifenews.com image 425x282]

So, is this the acceptable business attire for professional internet trolling?.


Not enough tinfoil.
 
2013-01-10 03:11:36 PM  

halfof33: Weaver95: I figured OWS was doing right when the cops and FBI started beating the snot outta them for asking wall street uncomfortable questions.

Remember your "live" blow by blow of the non-existent "police riot" in Boston? And how it was the most violent police misconduct in 30 years?

Lolz, what did you make off that fable?


Its cute how you keep denying objective reality.
 
2013-01-10 03:12:08 PM  
blogoscoped.com
 
2013-01-10 03:12:16 PM  

imontheinternet: StreetlightInTheGhetto: Backwards. I think the brown haired guy who isn't Steve Doocey (spelling?) read it outloud. Gretchen was the one who had the "YOU IDIOT YOU WILL DIE BY MY HANDS" look in her eyes after he started reading.

You might be right about that.  They do so much dumb sh*t, it's hard to keep it all straight.


found the video clip (totally worth it, LGT video, surprisingly enough)

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-february-28-2012/i-can-t-belie ve -it-got-better-
 
2013-01-10 03:12:21 PM  

GAT_00: Rev.K: I'm guessing they do exist on Fark. I can't think of anything else to explain the long list of known threadsh*tters who show up in every single thread about a particular topic.

I don't think that's the proof so much as they last a couple months, and then disappear to be replaced with an entirely new login created 4 days previously saying the exact same things.


There are a few handles that seemed to be on every politics thread since the begining og the year, usually on the right, who seem to have completely vanished almost immediately after Nov   6th as well.  At first I assumed they were just licking their wounds but  two months later, isn't a sign of 'em, so I figure they got their walking papers about the same time Team Romney turned off the staff credit cards
 
2013-01-10 03:12:32 PM  
long-ass thread and I'm not reading all of it, but if you hunt around the internet on the few 'legitimate' work from home/online piece work sites you can find jobs like this. The seedy run-down business front doesn't seem likely, though. You can also see dozens of guys offering teams of Indians cracking X number of captcha's per hour (with X being an insanely high number) to post spam through robo-filters for what amounts to less than minimum wage in the US. For the whole team. If you're lucky out of all the entries you find one actually legitimate data entry or audio job.
 
2013-01-10 03:12:33 PM  
I would hope they get paid for their lies and misinformation. It would at least give some justification to wasting hours and hours lying and attention whoring to others on message forums.

The ones who do it for free and make it their lives? Perhaps they should go see a therapist. Soon.
 
2013-01-10 03:12:48 PM  

Anti_illuminati: Weaver95: Anti_illuminati: Weaver95: Anti_illuminati: Weaver95: CygnusDarius: [consciouslifenews.com image 425x282]

So, is this the acceptable business attire for professional internet trolling?.

hey, that's how I surf the internets every gotdamn day!  well, that and i'm not wearing any pants.

We need to get you a job Weave.

tell me about it.  I posted a bunch of applications this week alone.  meh...we shall see if any of the hits I got prior to the holidays turn into a job offer.

What are you looking to do?

IT stuff.  system admin, mainframe operator/programmer.  scheduler.  hell, anything at this point, i'm not picky.  just as long as it's day shift and NOT weekends as a standard shift.

What city?


anywhere in central pennsylvania, virginia, annapolis md.  or colorado for that matter.  i'm willing to pack it up and move outta this state.  Pennsylvania is getting weirder and more Santorum.
 
2013-01-10 03:12:49 PM  
And here I am doing this shiat for free
 
2013-01-10 03:12:57 PM  

sweetmelissa31: James!: Some people are so wildly self absorbed that they think people have to be paid to disagree with them.

Nobody thinks that everyone who disagrees with them is paid. But there are some fairly obvious trolls whom I'm sure you notice, but have your own reasons to claim they are not trolls.


Are we making spurious accusations against people's surnames again?
 
2013-01-10 03:12:57 PM  

mahuika: The dame that got him the job had a pout like a kitten and legs that went all the way to China in the sheerest silk stockings. They seemed to be arranged to stare at. They were visible to the knee and one of them well beyond. The knees were dimpled, not bony and sharp. The calves were beautiful, the ankles long and slim and with enough melodic line for a tone poem. He just forgot to mention it.



Chandlerized that for you.
 
2013-01-10 03:13:20 PM  

Nobodyn0se: Alright, so in other words, you're not interested in actually discussing the problem, but are hell bent on obfuscating the issue. Good luck with that whole "trolls are only people who disagree with you" thing. I doubt it will work, but keep going with it.

I actually have work to do. Have fun.


No, he stated the Fark policy, almost like he knows something.
 
2013-01-10 03:13:25 PM  

sprawl15: And it's gotten far, far worse over the last few years, since that's an 'in' for being disruptive. And, from the end user perspective, I don't really care if the disruptive activity is honest opinion or paid troll, I just care that it's disruptive.


According to James!, Fark doesn't care.
 
2013-01-10 03:13:28 PM  

Carn: Ctrl-Alt-Del: thomps: can we please get back to talking about how bad obamacare is, i feel like this thread has deviated too far away from that topic.

OK, so this is funny

what_now: what_now: What is "sock puppet"?

Do I really have to explain it to you AGAIN? Stupid lib.

This too

I_C_Weener: Good faith? No ma'am. Most of these posters are athiests.

Actually, most of them are just athier. Only one can be athiest

My dog now this I'm insane because I just busted out laughing so thanks. I'm rather apathetic so I guess I'm athier.


She thinks it too.
 
2013-01-10 03:14:08 PM  

R.A.Danny: No, he stated the Fark policy, almost like he knows something.


Yes, the Fark policy that has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.
 
2013-01-10 03:14:16 PM  
Mod staff couldn't define "troll" if they had a dictionary and verbal directions on how to use it.  Those jackholes have their head so far up their collective fascist crapcaves that it's a wonder they can even tie their own shoes.  Come to think of it, I've never seen one outside of a pair of slip-ons.
 
2013-01-10 03:14:17 PM  
www.ffxionline.com
 
2013-01-10 03:14:53 PM  

david_gaithersburg: Weaver95: david_gaithersburg: NowhereMon: I wonder how many of these we have at FARK...

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There sure are a lot here. Remember to OWS threads and how they were swarmed by posters in unison, and now the gun ban threads. Welcome to the world of the DNC.

Because nobody could possibly agree with OWS or that gun violence is out of control in this country....it HAS to be a conspiracy!

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Oh come now. Once those things were greenlit they were hit with about three hundred posts in a matter of minutes, and then the posters ran along until the next green light. Most of them were also new accounts.


It was all an evil plot by Fark to distract us from what an evil Kenyan Muslim usurper Obama really is.
 
2013-01-10 03:15:13 PM  

imontheinternet: you are a puppet: Story itself sounds fake as shiat, obviously there are plenty of astroturfers on this and every similar large site, but I'm sure they aren't recruited like secret agents.

Definitely fake.  I'm not saying there aren't public relations firms who pay people to post viral marketing sh*t on the internet, but the idea that they operate like some sort of terrorist cell is just stupid.


I didn't realize that this was just an excerpt; after reading the whole article this thing is definitely madeup. I mean this paragraph is ridiculous:

At phase 4 I was promoted to "Astroturf Ranger" and sent to CTU headquarters to receive my black ops training in enhanced trolling technique. I walked into the small Shaolin dojo that was to become my home for the next 6 months, and almost instantly my spider sense began to tingle. As I scanned the room for danger I immediately became transfixed on another set of eyes staring back at me. I was almost paralyzed as she began to walk over to me. I don't have to tell you she was a stunner. 5'9, chest looked to be about 36C, legs from here to yaya. Long brown hair down to my waist. I smiled at her with savoir faire and extended a hand. She smiled back, shook my hand and introduced herself as "Maria" (not her real name that she introduced herself as, and which later proved to be an alias). She asked me my name. I lowered my sunglasses and rolled the toothpick to the other side of my mouth. "Bond", I said. "Master Chief Bond, D.D.S.". She blushed and tossed her hair back, and I was immediately overwhelmed. The way she stared at the ground it wasn't hard to tell...she didn't know. She didn't know she was beautiful.
 
2013-01-10 03:15:27 PM  

sprawl15: James!: sprawl15: The only one ever caught was the sneakily named sprawl15's troll alt.

That was so lame it doesn't even count.  How easy would you say it was to switch between then two in a fast moving thread?

Extremely. Though, I went out of my way to not sock puppet proper on it, by trying to never comment on the same conversation with both accounts. The easiest thing to do would be to untick the 'remember me' box and have your computer not autocomplete for you. Then you're forced to check your login every post.

James!: How are you defining troll, by the way?

The definition I've had from the mod staff of 'troll' is basically 'asshole'. If you insult people, you can be banned for trolling. The definition I use for troll, though, is someone who intentionally posts inflammatory shiat for the sole purpose of riling up a reaction. I am nearly always an asshole, but only sometimes trolly.

The problem that a lot of people have is that a discussion is supposed to be a discussion. In an Israel thread, people talk about Israel. If Poster A has the opinion that Israel are a bunch of zionist scumbag baby killers and they simply post stuff to that extent over and over again (especially when it's been disproved in many, many threads), they simply aren't contributing to the discussion at that point. That's not really trolling and not really being an asshole, and they may very well be honest in their opinions, but it's more destructive to any chance for discussion than one person popping in and posting a line of blatant racism, or a person jumping in and saying "but what about BENGHAZI???".

And it's gotten far, far worse over the last few years, since that's an 'in' for being disruptive. And, from the end user perspective, I don't really care if the disruptive activity is honest opinion or paid troll, I just care that it's disruptive.


Thread jacking and personal attacks will get a person sent to the cornfield for a while much more frequently than trolling.  For me, if someone calls you a retard that's just a personal attack but if they follow you from thread to thread calling you a retard and bringing up something from a thread two weeks ago that's trolling.  If we started booting people for having shiatty opinions we'd be empty in a week.
 
2013-01-10 03:15:34 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: imontheinternet: StreetlightInTheGhetto: Backwards. I think the brown haired guy who isn't Steve Doocey (spelling?) read it outloud. Gretchen was the one who had the "YOU IDIOT YOU WILL DIE BY MY HANDS" look in her eyes after he started reading.

You might be right about that.  They do so much dumb sh*t, it's hard to keep it all straight.

found the video clip (totally worth it, LGT video, surprisingly enough)

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-february-28-2012/i-can-t-belie ve -it-got-better-


3:45 if you want to skip ahead

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-february-28-2012/i-can-t-belie ve -it-got-better-
 Link again since it got all cut up (thanks, Fark)
 
2013-01-10 03:15:42 PM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: The next day, I arrived at the address - the third floor in a crumbling building. The appearance of the place did not inspire confidence. After walking down a long, filthy linoleum-covered corridor lit by dimly-flickering halogen, I came to the entrance of the office itself: a crudely battered metal door with a sign that said "United Amalgamated Industries, Inc."

...and I stopped reading there - clearly made-up bullshiat.


Yep.  The guy's just describing the hallway to my dentist's office, not some super seekrit conspiracy thing.
 
2013-01-10 03:15:45 PM  

Weaver95: Anti_illuminati: Weaver95: Anti_illuminati: Weaver95: CygnusDarius: [consciouslifenews.com image 425x282]

So, is this the acceptable business attire for professional internet trolling?.

hey, that's how I surf the internets every gotdamn day!  well, that and i'm not wearing any pants.

We need to get you a job Weave.

tell me about it.  I posted a bunch of applications this week alone.  meh...we shall see if any of the hits I got prior to the holidays turn into a job offer.

What are you looking to do?

IT stuff.  system admin, mainframe operator/programmer.  scheduler.  hell, anything at this point, i'm not picky.  just as long as it's day shift and NOT weekends as a standard shift.


.
Harrisburg, PA. I see your problem there. MOVE! In the meantime, commute down to Frederick, MD.
 
2013-01-10 03:15:51 PM  

James!: Some people are so wildly self absorbed that they think people have to be paid to disagree with them.


I think so. I see it all the time, and not just here.

I do think it's funny that so many people believe that arguing on fark is an important enough thing that someone would be paid to do it.
 
2013-01-10 03:16:02 PM  

James!: How are you defining troll, by the way?


People who post the exact same bullshiat, thread after thread after thread after motherfarking thread, while completely ignoring any attempt at debate (either by running away, calling their catch a "Libtard" or somesuch, or repeating their original non-point as if saying it enough times will magically make it true) and being defended to the death by Fark's so-called "Mods."
 
2013-01-10 03:16:10 PM  
I kind of wonder if the deniers here are the Fark shills... We should start a list. Everyone who claims that this is all made up sounds to me like they are trying to defend their own jobs.
 
2013-01-10 03:16:23 PM  
lostinreviews.com

and that scene with Julia Roberts when she says infiltrated that groupdto destroy it from the inside now makes me think the Occupy Wall Street police car pooper was a paid shill of the banking industry.

Yes, i have a tinfoil hat. I don't wear it a lot, but I have one.
 
2013-01-10 03:17:23 PM  
I have an alt account. I would tell you the name, but since he's not in the thread, I would risk a ban.

/over 200 ignored (most are seasonal election trolls)
 
2013-01-10 03:17:33 PM  

Weaver95: Anti_illuminati: Weaver95: Anti_illuminati: Weaver95: Anti_illuminati: Weaver95: CygnusDarius: [consciouslifenews.com image 425x282]

So, is this the acceptable business attire for professional internet trolling?.

hey, that's how I surf the internets every gotdamn day!  well, that and i'm not wearing any pants.

We need to get you a job Weave.

tell me about it.  I posted a bunch of applications this week alone.  meh...we shall see if any of the hits I got prior to the holidays turn into a job offer.

What are you looking to do?

IT stuff.  system admin, mainframe operator/programmer.  scheduler.  hell, anything at this point, i'm not picky.  just as long as it's day shift and NOT weekends as a standard shift.

What city?

anywhere in central pennsylvania, virginia, annapolis md.  or colorado for that matter.  i'm willing to pack it up and move outta this state.  Pennsylvania is getting weirder and more Santorum.


Ah, got some openings in Houston, TX. But, unless you already live there, I wouldn't recommend relocating. Ever.
 
2013-01-10 03:17:37 PM  

Mikey1969: I kind of wonder if the deniers here are the Fark shills... We should start a list. Everyone who claims that this is all made up sounds to me like they are trying to defend their own jobs.


This is all made up. Or maybe I'm just saying that to throw you off.

*cue dramatic music*

The plot thickens!
 
2013-01-10 03:17:59 PM  

halfof33: Weaver95: I figured OWS was doing right when the cops and FBI started beating the snot outta them for asking wall street uncomfortable questions.

Remember your "live" blow by blow of the non-existent "police riot" in Boston? And how it was the most violent police misconduct in 30 years?

Lolz, what did you make off that fable?


Dude do you rage that nobody ever bothered to pay you for your misunderstood genius?
 
2013-01-10 03:18:12 PM  
david_gaithersburg:
Harrisburg, PA. I see your problem there. MOVE! In the meantime, commute down to Frederick, MD.

tell me about it.  this place is becoming actively hostile to tech jobs.  i'm not saying our legislature is anti-technology but...well, they're still not sure what the fuss is about all those magic boxes people hold up to their ears and talk into all the time...'tis most unnatural!
 
2013-01-10 03:18:35 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: I have an alt account. I would tell you the name, but since he's not in the thread, I would risk a ban.

/over 200 ignored (most are seasonal election trolls)


Me too. She's in Canada, you guys wouldn't know her.
 
2013-01-10 03:19:03 PM  

Weaver95: Its cute how you keep denying objective reality.


BOOO! C'mon, I wouldn't give a you a nickel for that!

"the police are out of control in Boston! It is ten times worse than the Visigoths attacking the Forum. OH THE HUMANITY."

Ahh, Weaves, those were the days!
 
2013-01-10 03:19:09 PM  

Nobodyn0se: R.A.Danny: No, he stated the Fark policy, almost like he knows something.

Yes, the Fark policy that has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.


What were you talking about?
 
2013-01-10 03:19:45 PM  

Weaver95: david_gaithersburg:
Harrisburg, PA. I see your problem there. MOVE! In the meantime, commute down to Frederick, MD.

tell me about it.  this place is becoming actively hostile to tech jobs.  i'm not saying our legislature is anti-technology but...well, they're still not sure what the fuss is about all those magic boxes people hold up to their ears and talk into all the time...'tis most unnatural!


IP addresses are probably the Mark of the Beast, dontcha you know.
 
2013-01-10 03:19:58 PM  

Weaver95: david_gaithersburg:
Harrisburg, PA. I see your problem there. MOVE! In the meantime, commute down to Frederick, MD.

tell me about it.  this place is becoming actively hostile to tech jobs.  i'm not saying our legislature is anti-technology but...well, they're still not sure what the fuss is about all those magic boxes people hold up to their ears and talk into all the time...'tis most unnatural!


Unless you're using that technology for fracking. I can't see how you'd be surprised that the Corbett-led state government doesn't give a shiat.
 
2013-01-10 03:20:00 PM  

halfof33: Weaver95: Its cute how you keep denying objective reality.

BOOO! C'mon, I wouldn't give a you a nickel for that!

"the police are out of control in Boston! It is ten times worse than the Visigoths attacking the Forum. OH THE HUMANITY."

Ahh, Weaves, those were the days!


didn't they later admit they got a bit out of control and promise not to beat the snot outta random protesters...?  something something civil rights lawsuit...
 
2013-01-10 03:20:14 PM  

I_C_Weener: Just look at the fact that Jersey Shore had more seasons than Firefly. You can't assign logic and conspiracies to it. It just is.


Firefly wasn't actually that great. Neither was Farscape, while we're on the subject.

/What?
 
2013-01-10 03:20:38 PM  

Weaver95: david_gaithersburg:
Harrisburg, PA. I see your problem there. MOVE! In the meantime, commute down to Frederick, MD.

tell me about it.  this place is becoming actively hostile to tech jobs.  i'm not saying our legislature is anti-technology but...well, they're still not sure what the fuss is about all those magic boxes people hold up to their ears and talk into all the time...'tis most unnatural!


I work for a consulting firm with offices in MD and VA (half federal half commercial). We usually have openings.
 
2013-01-10 03:20:58 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Weaver95: david_gaithersburg:
Harrisburg, PA. I see your problem there. MOVE! In the meantime, commute down to Frederick, MD.

tell me about it.  this place is becoming actively hostile to tech jobs.  i'm not saying our legislature is anti-technology but...well, they're still not sure what the fuss is about all those magic boxes people hold up to their ears and talk into all the time...'tis most unnatural!

Unless you're using that technology for fracking. I can't see how you'd be surprised that the Corbett-led state government doesn't give a shiat.


his tax code changes are making me very nervous.  hence my desire to move somewhere less scary.
 
2013-01-10 03:21:15 PM  

Fluorescent Testicle: James!: How are you defining troll, by the way?

People who post the exact same bullshiat, thread after thread after thread after motherfarking thread, while completely ignoring any attempt at debate (either by running away, calling their catch a "Libtard" or somesuch, or repeating their original non-point as if saying it enough times will magically make it true) and being defended to the death by Fark's so-called "Mods."


Okay, lets just start banning anyone who isn't making a unique and original argument.  Also we'll make a rule that people are required to debate you.  Not just debate you, but debate you in a formal manner. That's be fun as hell for everyone.
 
2013-01-10 03:21:25 PM  
[Sponsored Link]
 
2013-01-10 03:21:49 PM  
Conspiracy freaks rejoice at being proven right.

Although, as always, by dubious sources.
 
2013-01-10 03:21:57 PM  

Carn: Weaver95: david_gaithersburg:
Harrisburg, PA. I see your problem there. MOVE! In the meantime, commute down to Frederick, MD.

tell me about it.  this place is becoming actively hostile to tech jobs.  i'm not saying our legislature is anti-technology but...well, they're still not sure what the fuss is about all those magic boxes people hold up to their ears and talk into all the time...'tis most unnatural!

I work for a consulting firm with offices in MD and VA (half federal half commercial). We usually have openings.


send me a link via ultrafark and I'll go check it out/upload an application and resume.  ain't nothing off the table at this point.
 
2013-01-10 03:22:48 PM  

Weaver95: didn't they later admit they got a bit out of control and promise not to beat the snot outta random protesters...? something something civil rights lawsuit...


"bit out of control" .... put it through the Weaver-o-meter... "the worst police brutality in 30 years."

Tee hee! Those were special times.
 
2013-01-10 03:22:53 PM  

James!: Fluorescent Testicle: James!: How are you defining troll, by the way?

People who post the exact same bullshiat, thread after thread after thread after motherfarking thread, while completely ignoring any attempt at debate (either by running away, calling their catch a "Libtard" or somesuch, or repeating their original non-point as if saying it enough times will magically make it true) and being defended to the death by Fark's so-called "Mods."

Okay, lets just start banning anyone who isn't making a unique and original argument.  Also we'll make a rule that people are required to debate you.  Not just debate you, but debate you in a formal manner. That's be fun as hell for everyone.


Would you mind defining 'repetitive posting'? It is against the posting rules.
 
2013-01-10 03:23:08 PM  

phaseolus: mahuika: The dame that got him the job had a pout like a kitten and legs that went all the way to China in the sheerest silk stockings. They seemed to be arranged to stare at. They were visible to the knee and one of them well beyond. The knees were dimpled, not bony and sharp. The calves were beautiful, the ankles long and slim and with enough melodic line for a tone poem. He just forgot to mention it.


Chandlerized that for you.


I was going for Tracer Bullet.
 
2013-01-10 03:23:15 PM  

James!: Fluorescent Testicle: James!: How are you defining troll, by the way?

People who post the exact same bullshiat, thread after thread after thread after motherfarking thread, while completely ignoring any attempt at debate (either by running away, calling their catch a "Libtard" or somesuch, or repeating their original non-point as if saying it enough times will magically make it true) and being defended to the death by Fark's so-called "Mods."

Okay, lets just start banning anyone who isn't making a unique and original argument.  Also we'll make a rule that people are required to debate you.  Not just debate you, but debate you in a formal manner. That's be fun as hell for everyone.


Cliche. Can't you post anything original?
 
2013-01-10 03:23:29 PM  
seems legit.

No one could possibly want to go to the Above Top Secret site and troll.

Their critical thinking skills are too developed, and their skepticism is legendary. To try would just be a waste of time.
 
2013-01-10 03:24:04 PM  
bestofcalvinandhobbes.com
 
2013-01-10 03:24:06 PM  

halfof33: Weaver95: didn't they later admit they got a bit out of control and promise not to beat the snot outta random protesters...? something something civil rights lawsuit...

"bit out of control" .... put it through the Weaver-o-meter... "the worst police brutality in 30 years."

Tee hee! Those were special times.


it was pretty bad.  half the shiat the cops pulled didn't make it on the evening news.  And fox news didn't touch the story at all.  which is weird, considering you'd think they'd LOVE seeing hippies bleed and writhing in pain.
 
2013-01-10 03:25:06 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: James!: Fluorescent Testicle: James!: How are you defining troll, by the way?

People who post the exact same bullshiat, thread after thread after thread after motherfarking thread, while completely ignoring any attempt at debate (either by running away, calling their catch a "Libtard" or somesuch, or repeating their original non-point as if saying it enough times will magically make it true) and being defended to the death by Fark's so-called "Mods."

Okay, lets just start banning anyone who isn't making a unique and original argument.  Also we'll make a rule that people are required to debate you.  Not just debate you, but debate you in a formal manner. That's be fun as hell for everyone.

Would you mind defining 'repetitive posting'? It is against the posting rules.


Like if you posted "Would you mind defining 'repetitive posting'? It is against the posting rules."  8 times in a thread or across multiple threads.  Most often it'll be some jerk posting a politically themed photoshop across 18 threads.
 
2013-01-10 03:25:38 PM  

GAT_00: Rev.K: I'm guessing they do exist on Fark. I can't think of anything else to explain the long list of known threadsh*tters who show up in every single thread about a particular topic.

I don't think that's the proof so much as they last a couple months, and then disappear to be replaced with an entirely new login created 4 days previously saying the exact same things.


Says the most well-known paid shill ;)

/just kiddin dude
 
2013-01-10 03:25:56 PM  
Ok, my boss isn't here yet, so I'm back (for a few at least).

James!: If we started booting people for having shiatty opinions we'd be empty in a week.


Yes. And anyone who asks you to boot someone for shiatty opinions should be ignored.

That doesn't mean there isn't a serious trolling issue on Fark completely outside of the ridiculous "people who disagree with me are trolls!" dynamic that you seem to think is the only thing happening, despite mountains of evidence to the contrary in this very thread.
 
2013-01-10 03:26:03 PM  
Some of you aren't even doing it "for free". Some dude is getting paid to do this. Liters like me are doing it for free. Tfers are paying 5 bucks a month for the privileged of being able to do it first.

Fark-liters: At least we're not as economically retarded as those TotalFark Trolls.
 
2013-01-10 03:26:27 PM  

Mentat: I miss Gary.

[imageshack.us image 500x332]


Vault 108 still has a few left over.
 
2013-01-10 03:26:54 PM  

Nobodyn0se: Alright, so in other words, you're not interested in actually discussing the problem, but are hell bent on obfuscating the issue. Good luck with that whole "trolls are only people who disagree with you" thing. I doubt it will work, but keep going with it.


I don't know that you're the right person to discuss this particular issue with Nobodyn0se. A google search for site:fark.com Nobodyn0se troll pulls up an awful lot of pages and if you take the time to click through them, you're awfully loose with the word troll.
 
2013-01-10 03:27:03 PM  

david_gaithersburg: NowhereMon: I wonder how many of these we have at FARK...

.
There sure are a lot here. Remember to OWS threads and how they were swarmed by posters in unison, and now the gun ban threads. Welcome to the world of the DNC.


Well this is totally reasonable and not at all paranoid. I'm convinced!
 
2013-01-10 03:27:08 PM  

James!: Also we'll make a rule that people are required to debate you.  Not just debate you, but debate you in a formal manner.


Works for me. It'd certainly be more interesting than the usual 300+ post threads of "OBAMA IS A SOCIALIST BECAUSE [link to misspelled, thoroughly debunked right-wing conspiracy wingnut blog] AND EVERYBODY WHO SAYS OTHERWISE IS A LIBTARD FLAG-BURNING BABY-KILLER" repeated ad nauseum.

You want people to stop saying that Fark has more paid trolls and mod alts than real users? Then stop acting as if the trolls are worth more to you than we are.
 
2013-01-10 03:27:43 PM  
James!:
Like if you posted "Would you mind defining 'repetitive posting'? It is against the posting rules."  8 times in a thread or across multiple threads.  Most often it'll be some jerk posting a politically themed photoshop across 18 threads.

which is pretty OCD when you think about it.  I think my last time out was because I did something really funny with the greenlight/submission queue.  ok, well I thought it was funny, but apparently various mods/admins did not appreciate my humor.  still makes me giggle tho.

as for everyone else. DO NOT manipulate the submission queue!  this is a Bad Thing and you will Feel Bad!
 
2013-01-10 03:27:50 PM  
This thread was very entertaining and I enjoyed it a great deal. I must express remorse, however, that the master race Fark elites have once again expressed a mix of giddiness, concern and excitement at the very prospect of this thread being greenlit whereby the freebie Fark proletariat might post on the subject. We "liters" are intelligent, well read complex individuals who enjoy the nuances of a political discussion as much as our star bellied sneech bretheren. It is both hurtful and ignorant to paint us with an air of inferiority and ignorance. Now if you'll excuse me, I done pooped my pants again.
 
2013-01-10 03:28:13 PM  

James!: Okay, lets just start banning anyone who isn't making a unique and original argument. Also we'll make a rule that people are required to debate you. Not just debate you, but debate you in a formal manner. That's be fun as hell for everyone.


That is an amazing false dichotomy you've got there.
 
2013-01-10 03:28:27 PM  
Theoretically speaking, how would I go about getting one of these jobs? And can I work in my pajamas?
 
2013-01-10 03:28:34 PM  

Weaver95: it was pretty bad. half the shiat the cops pulled didn't make it on the evening news. And fox news didn't touch the story at all. which is weird, considering you'd think they'd LOVE seeing hippies bleed and writhing in pain.


Well, pretty hard putting something on the news that didn't happen.

Oh well, the days of the great OWS wars on Fark are long past, what with OWS being a punchline nowadays.

Good times.
 
2013-01-10 03:28:42 PM  

James!: Fluorescent Testicle: James!: How are you defining troll, by the way?

People who post the exact same bullshiat, thread after thread after thread after motherfarking thread, while completely ignoring any attempt at debate (either by running away, calling their catch a "Libtard" or somesuch, or repeating their original non-point as if saying it enough times will magically make it true) and being defended to the death by Fark's so-called "Mods."

Okay, lets just start banning anyone who isn't making a unique and original argument.  Also we'll make a rule that people are required to debate you.  Not just debate you, but debate you in a formal manner. That's be fun as hell for everyone.


i586.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-10 03:28:57 PM  

Fluorescent Testicle: James!: Also we'll make a rule that people are required to debate you.  Not just debate you, but debate you in a formal manner.

Works for me. It'd certainly be more interesting than the usual 300+ post threads of "OBAMA IS A SOCIALIST BECAUSE [link to misspelled, thoroughly debunked right-wing conspiracy wingnut blog] AND EVERYBODY WHO SAYS OTHERWISE IS A LIBTARD FLAG-BURNING BABY-KILLER" repeated ad nauseum.

You want people to stop saying that Fark has more paid trolls and mod alts than real users? Then stop acting as if the trolls are worth more to you than we are.


you realize that most people who say "OMG SOCIALIZZZZMS" around these parts are doing so sarcastically?
Honestly, what is there 3 or 4 posters who do that with any regularity and actually purportedly meaen it?
 
2013-01-10 03:29:05 PM  

R.A.Danny: James!: noted and remarked upon with great suspicion.

I can only imagine my Fark dossier.

Boring
Boring
Boring
DAMN he likes to troll truckers!
Boring
Boring
Boring
Boring
He hates cheeseheads too!
Boring
Well, duh, he's a drunk and likes tits.
Boring
Gun nut
Boring
Boring....


Well, if you really want to know, I have you down as "fair-minded; misogynist x2, heartless, violent, judgmental, made good point."  A mixed bag, really.
 
2013-01-10 03:29:45 PM  

James!: If we started booting people for having shiatty opinions we'd be empty in a week.


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-01-10 03:30:04 PM  

halfof33: Weaver95: it was pretty bad. half the shiat the cops pulled didn't make it on the evening news. And fox news didn't touch the story at all. which is weird, considering you'd think they'd LOVE seeing hippies bleed and writhing in pain.

Well, pretty hard putting something on the news that didn't happen.

Oh well, the days of the great OWS wars on Fark are long past, what with OWS being a punchline nowadays.

Good times.


and again, I think it's cute how you just flat out ignore things that conflict with your worldview.
 
2013-01-10 03:30:11 PM  

lennavan: I don't know that you're the right person to discuss this particular issue with Nobodyn0se. A google search for site:fark.com Nobodyn0se troll pulls up an awful lot of pages and if you take the time to click through them, you're awfully loose with the word troll.


Please, feel free to quote me in a case in which you think I'm using the word incorrectly.
 
2013-01-10 03:30:21 PM  
I do that for free. In order to make people thimk.

fnord
 
2013-01-10 03:30:25 PM  
Meh.  People like to be trolled.  They enjoy it.
 
2013-01-10 03:30:26 PM  

ciberido: R.A.Danny: James!: noted and remarked upon with great suspicion.

I can only imagine my Fark dossier.

Boring
Boring
Boring
DAMN he likes to troll truckers!
Boring
Boring
Boring
Boring
He hates cheeseheads too!
Boring
Well, duh, he's a drunk and likes tits.
Boring
Gun nut
Boring
Boring....

Well, if you really want to know, I have you down as "fair-minded; misogynist x2, heartless, violent, judgmental, made good point."  A mixed bag, really.


Broads tend to pis me off.
 
2013-01-10 03:30:41 PM  

Weaver95: Carn: Weaver95: david_gaithersburg:
Harrisburg, PA. I see your problem there. MOVE! In the meantime, commute down to Frederick, MD.

tell me about it.  this place is becoming actively hostile to tech jobs.  i'm not saying our legislature is anti-technology but...well, they're still not sure what the fuss is about all those magic boxes people hold up to their ears and talk into all the time...'tis most unnatural!

I work for a consulting firm with offices in MD and VA (half federal half commercial). We usually have openings.

send me a link via ultrafark and I'll go check it out/upload an application and resume.  ain't nothing off the table at this point.


doneski
 
2013-01-10 03:31:10 PM  

Boxcutta: This thread was very entertaining and I enjoyed it a great deal. I must express remorse, however, that the master race Fark elites have once again expressed a mix of giddiness, concern and excitement at the very prospect of this thread being greenlit whereby the freebie Fark proletariat might post on the subject. We "liters" are intelligent, well read complex individuals who enjoy the nuances of a political discussion as much as our star bellied sneech bretheren. It is both hurtful and ignorant to paint us with an air of inferiority and ignorance. Now if you'll excuse me, I done pooped my pants again.


wait - what's a 'fark elite' and how to I make sure that never happens to me...?
 
2013-01-10 03:31:41 PM  

skullkrusher: Fluorescent Testicle: James!: Also we'll make a rule that people are required to debate you.  Not just debate you, but debate you in a formal manner.

Works for me. It'd certainly be more interesting than the usual 300+ post threads of "OBAMA IS A SOCIALIST BECAUSE [link to misspelled, thoroughly debunked right-wing conspiracy wingnut blog] AND EVERYBODY WHO SAYS OTHERWISE IS A LIBTARD FLAG-BURNING BABY-KILLER" repeated ad nauseum.

You want people to stop saying that Fark has more paid trolls and mod alts than real users? Then stop acting as if the trolls are worth more to you than we are.

you realize that most people who say "OMG SOCIALIZZZZMS" around these parts are doing so sarcastically?
Honestly, what is there 3 or 4 posters who do that with any regularity and actually purportedly meaen it?


Well, if this was back in 2004-2008... yes. But its cleaned up... a bit.
 
2013-01-10 03:31:47 PM  
Anyone remember when, a couple of years ago, at least a dozen very zealous Farkers simply disappeared, all at the same time?

"The Great Purge," I called it.

It made Fark Pol Tab usable for a few weeks. It was great.
 
2013-01-10 03:31:52 PM  

Fluorescent Testicle: You want people to stop saying that Fark has more paid trolls and mod alts than real users? Then stop acting as if the trolls are worth more to you than we are.


Very well said. Or "THIS" in common Fark parlance.
 
2013-01-10 03:31:56 PM  

Carn: Weaver95: Carn: Weaver95: david_gaithersburg:
Harrisburg, PA. I see your problem there. MOVE! In the meantime, commute down to Frederick, MD.

tell me about it.  this place is becoming actively hostile to tech jobs.  i'm not saying our legislature is anti-technology but...well, they're still not sure what the fuss is about all those magic boxes people hold up to their ears and talk into all the time...'tis most unnatural!

I work for a consulting firm with offices in MD and VA (half federal half commercial). We usually have openings.

send me a link via ultrafark and I'll go check it out/upload an application and resume.  ain't nothing off the table at this point.

doneski


thanks man!  i'll go take a look.
 
2013-01-10 03:32:26 PM  

Mikey1969: I kind of wonder if the deniers here are the Fark shills... We should start a list. Everyone who claims that this is all made up sounds to me like they are trying to defend their own jobs.



Although shill theory explains many of the weird things we see around here on a daily basis, I still have my doubts. I really don't think this place is all that influential in the grand scheme of things ... unless there exists some kind of internet opinion extraction service that pulls comments from random forums and presents them to important people who act on that information, but that's really a stretch.

If there's any shenanigans going on, I'm having trouble believing any of it's meant to affect the world *outside* of Fark.com ... if you catch my drift.
 
2013-01-10 03:32:44 PM  

James!: quickdraw: James!: sweetmelissa31: James!: Some people are so wildly self absorbed that they think people have to be paid to disagree with them.

Nobody thinks that everyone who disagrees with them is paid. But there are some fairly obvious trolls whom I'm sure you notice, but have your own reasons to claim they are not trolls.

Are they trolls or do they just not agree with the majority of farkers?  It's more conspiracy nonsense.  People think their opinions are so right and beautiful that anyone who disagrees is an obvious troll. Having a contrary opinion in a harsh way? Obvious troll.  Consistently having a contrary opinion? Obvious paid troll.  Having a consistently contrary opinion and not being banned? ZOMG OBVIOUS PAID MOD TROLL!!!

So are you saying there is no such thing as internet forum shills? Do you need citations?

Ive been participating pretty consistently in the poli threads since 2004. And the number of posters who I suspect are shills has  increased drastically since then. I expect that this has to do with political organizations becoming more net savvy in combination with Fark becoming more well known.

Back in the day when TGOT or Wever95 would post an opinion I didnt agree with it was pretty easy to tell they were sincere. When the Patriot Act came out it affected these guys big time. TGOT posted a sad and puzzled good-bye thread in TFD and Weaver95 eventually became a solid Dem supporter.

I notice you have been spending some more time in these poli threads in the last 6 months (?) or so and I , for one, appreciate an overt Mod presence. But to imply that I call someone a shill just because they disagree with me is a pretty glib insult on your part.

I am not a stupid person. I read very quickly and I enjoy a good debate. I am always respectful. I may tease a bit but I never insult. I really value a good opponent in a political debate. Unfortunately there are very few of those left here. Most of the discussions I get into with "conservatives" here at Fark ...

I'll try to address this, but there is a lot so I apologize if I miss something.  I've been around the politics tab for 6 years, I used to post under the username Barbigazi but about 2 years ago I decided to switch logins.  We do have a handful of habitual trouble makers on the site on both sides, but what I don't think a lot of people realize (or like) is how much leash we give to everybody on the site.  There's no requirement that arguments be interesting or original or good all we ask is that people don't flame each other or derail threads.  And we have come to consider troll accusations to be both insults and derailments of threads.  How many threads have you seen where the topic falls aside so that people can complain about someone they are sure is a troll and "why are they still allowed to post they must be protected".  What I think is worse is when someone comes into a thread trying to discuss the topic only to be shouted down by people who have already written that person off as a troll. I've seen it, hell I've been responsible for it before I was a mod I got temporary bans a couple of times..

Bottom line though is that we as moderators assume that everyone is arguing in good faith, and if it's clear that they're just around to cause trouble (and it has to be crystal clear before we'll give someone the boot) then they'll find they aren't welcome here anymore.  But we aren't mind readers and half the fun of fark is people goofing off and poking at each other.  I've seen liberal farkers tear into liberal farkers accusing them of being a rightwing troll over a joke. And I've seen people who everyone assumes is just a troll have completely normal discussions in other tabs.  And I've seen people who think they're helping by trolling the shiat out of people (which does not help).

I've seen so many weird conspiracy theories over the years about how the staff must be being paid off by one side or another that it's just silly to me at this point.  I don't take it seriously.


Heh...good thing. As far as the paid shill thing goes, yeah, it likely happens to a degree, but I suspect that mostly it's a component of a job, rather than the job itself. I once worked IT support for a truly rotten company. On a fairly regular basis they would ask us to finger an employee who had posted on any on of a number of websites that took issue with the company. We uniformly refused to do so based on two things. If they posted from home, tough, not our job to try to police attitude when someone's not on the clock. You want it to stop? Don't treat your people like garbage. If posted from work, well, yeah it's unethical, but since the genius micromanagers make certain that after a break, you're in a different cube, we couldn't positively make an ID and without positive proof, we were not about to provide a witch-hunt list. Not the same issue, I know, but the corps are well aware of the role the internet is playing in public opinion.
 
2013-01-10 03:32:46 PM  

Nobodyn0se: sprawl15: And it's gotten far, far worse over the last few years, since that's an 'in' for being disruptive. And, from the end user perspective, I don't really care if the disruptive activity is honest opinion or paid troll, I just care that it's disruptive.

According to James!, Fark doesn't care.


Oh, but they do care. They care about very specific kinds of disruptive (non-over the top) activity, like calling someone a troll. If you say that someone's posts are worthless, you risk being banned on the basis that your posts are being disruptive. That's the ultimate problem - the horrific inconsistency of saying that disruption doesn't matter unless you're complaining about other disruption.

James!: For me, if someone calls you a retard that's just a personal attack but if they follow you from thread to thread calling you a retard and bringing up something from a thread two weeks ago that's trolling.


That's not trolling. That's just being an asshole, or potentially stalking. Trolling comes from the term for fishing - you throw out some bait and just let it sit there, waiting for 'bites'. This is a troll, through and through. And it's fine because of the moderating policy that if you aren't sure if someone is legitimately intending to post what they've posted, you have to assume it's legitimate. In terms of name calling, as long as it stays away from calling specific people names, you're golden. You can call the President a knob gobbler, or the DNC a knob gobbler, or all libs, or whatever, but if you call another specific poster a knob gobbler it's suddenly banbait. It's bizarre where that line is drawn - where you can be as uncivil as you like as long as it's not to someone else who is specifically a Farker.

And that rule can be gotten around by filling your post with content aside from the name calling - a post that says just "wow, what kind of asshole would post this" is immediately removed while a post starting with the same sentence before going on a 5000 word jazz odyssey isn't really removable. I mean, I understand that problem would be far more solvable if it allowed mods partial deletion of posts, but still.

James!: If we started booting people for having shiatty opinions we'd be empty in a week.


Nobody's asking for that. When people talk about contribution, they generally mean technical contribution, they want people to be involved in a discussion even if it's a disagreement. There's a lot of people with shiatty opinions who I really don't think are trolls; people where I think the world would be better off with them having a horrific threshing accident, who I know aren't really banworthy. And I probably politically agree with more of those people than I disagree with (to address one of your fallacies upthread). It's people who have shiatty opinions, express them extremely aggressively, and refuse to even enter a dialogue who demolish threads. libby2's posting of the exact same money tree and 3-4 lines of banal, offensive nonsense every other thread a few years ago is a perfect example - they aren't contributing in a technical sense, they aren't producing actual opinions. They are just starting flamewars. So the shiattiness or non-shiattiness of their opinion doesn't even enter the picture before I would consider them a worthless waste of pixels, because it's not the content of their posts that makes them disruptive.
 
2013-01-10 03:33:48 PM  

willfullyobscure: I do that for free. In order to make people thimk.

fnord


Wasn't THIMK the slogan of IBN?
 
2013-01-10 03:34:07 PM  
Is skookum here?
 
2013-01-10 03:34:36 PM  

James!: You're kind of one the same page as me. Why would anyone need to pay someone to argue on the internet?


To stop the discussion.

Just look at a typical global warming thread. Instead of discussing the article, or the concepts brought up in the article, or the possible ramifications of the factual events described in the article, or possible solutions to the problems mentioned in the article, every single thread becomes a giant mucking shiatfest that the averge person would want nothing to do with

All it takes is for one obsessive astroturfer to come in and post a few really stupid, easily disproved "facts", and then follow it up by answering every single response with evasions, repetition, and lots and lots of insults, while ignoring any and all requests for actual discussion of the topic. One dedicated shill, paid or not, can completely destroy the entire conversation and make the entire discussion about HIM HIM HIM or force the participants to deal with the shiat-flood of falsehoods that he simply regurgitates en-masse in EVERY SINGLE DISCUSSION of the topic, regardless of how many times they are proven demonstrably false.

And thus pretty much every single discussion even remotely related to global warming is completely and utterly derailed and turned into a giant shiatfest that a LOT of regular folks will simply look at and say "Ew, why would I want to participate in that?"

Would it be worthwhile for multi-billion dollar international oil companies to throw a few bucks at some Internet Marketing Company to effectively shut down every conversation about global climate change on some of the more popular and well known internet discussion sites? I dunno, but the fact that there are companies that do Search Engine Optimization, Online Reputation Management, etc. I don;t really think it's farfetched at all
 
2013-01-10 03:34:38 PM  
Has anyone ever changed their mind based on something they read in a comment thread? Seems like a big waste of time to me
 
2013-01-10 03:35:11 PM  

Anti_illuminati: skullkrusher: Fluorescent Testicle: James!: Also we'll make a rule that people are required to debate you.  Not just debate you, but debate you in a formal manner.

Works for me. It'd certainly be more interesting than the usual 300+ post threads of "OBAMA IS A SOCIALIST BECAUSE [link to misspelled, thoroughly debunked right-wing conspiracy wingnut blog] AND EVERYBODY WHO SAYS OTHERWISE IS A LIBTARD FLAG-BURNING BABY-KILLER" repeated ad nauseum.

You want people to stop saying that Fark has more paid trolls and mod alts than real users? Then stop acting as if the trolls are worth more to you than we are.

you realize that most people who say "OMG SOCIALIZZZZMS" around these parts are doing so sarcastically?
Honestly, what is there 3 or 4 posters who do that with any regularity and actually purportedly meaen it?

Well, if this was back in 2004-2008... yes. But its cleaned up... a bit.


Imagine how surprised we'd be If we discovered a time machine and went back and told our 2008 selves how much this place has cleaned up by 2013?
We'd probably be more surprised by the time machine but I bet we'd be a little surprised by the message.
 
2013-01-10 03:35:13 PM  

Nobodyn0se: James!: Okay, lets just start banning anyone who isn't making a unique and original argument. Also we'll make a rule that people are required to debate you. Not just debate you, but debate you in a formal manner. That's be fun as hell for everyone.

That is an amazing false dichotomy you've got there.


You're like Scrappy Doo, you just keep going at your percieved bugbear with little stubby arms swinging.   What you are describing may be a problem but it is so got damned vague and ill-defined that it might as well be Ole Mr. Johnson projecting a ghost on the side of the old mill to keep Scoob and the gang out.

I can only suggest yoga and deep-breathing therapy.