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2013-01-10 09:41:18 AM  
I wonder how many of these we have at FARK...
 
2013-01-10 09:41:57 AM  

NowhereMon: I wonder how many of these we have at FARK...


That depends, do you mean individual people, or accounts?
 
2013-01-10 09:47:09 AM  
Sure he was.
 
2013-01-10 09:49:13 AM  

DammitIForgotMyLogin: NowhereMon: I wonder how many of these we have at FARK...

That depends, do you mean individual people, or accounts?


Both.
 
2013-01-10 09:58:31 AM  
"For a little over six months, I was paid to spread disinformation and argue political points on the Internet" "I would have kept doing it if the pay was better."

Fixed for whoever it is.
 
2013-01-10 10:09:28 AM  
They guy is well paid, but the company is in a run down building with a dirty office in a crap neighborhood. The thing of film noir legends.

Shenanigans.
 
2013-01-10 10:09:47 AM  
I'm guessing they do exist on Fark. I can't think of anything else to explain the long list of known threadsh*tters who show up in every single thread about a particular topic.
 
2013-01-10 10:12:24 AM  

R.A.Danny: They guy is well paid, but the company is in a run down building with a dirty office in a crap neighborhood. The thing of film noir legends.


Not without a blonde...the kind of blonde to make a bishop kick a hole in a stained-glass window.
 
2013-01-10 10:13:00 AM  

Gulper Eel: Not without a blonde...the kind of blonde to make a bishop kick a hole in a stained-glass window.


HA!
 
2013-01-10 10:15:58 AM  

Rev.K: I'm guessing they do exist on Fark. I can't think of anything else to explain the long list of known threadsh*tters who show up in every single thread about a particular topic.


I don't think that's the proof so much as they last a couple months, and then disappear to be replaced with an entirely new login created 4 days previously saying the exact same things.
 
2013-01-10 10:21:39 AM  

James!: Sure he was.


Of course!

She gave me only a phone-number and an address, in one of the seedier parts of San Francisco
"They don't have a website. Or even a name. You'll see. Just tell them I referred you."
...this "company" changed its name almost monthly
"You can't tell anyone what we do here. Not your wife, not your dog."
"We'll give you a cover story and even a phone number and a fake website you can use."
...making my living lying and heckling people who come online to express their views and exercise freedom of speech


A fantasy written by someone who imagines that's what happens.  Not as if there aren't enough actual zealous people out there that voluntarily and willfully (and frequently) post the craziness, any of whom could be easily hired.  If groups are truly paying "non-believers" to do this, why would this super-secret network be revealed anonymously on "consciouslifenews.com"?  After all, even if the author signed an NDA and then stepped forward and went public after no longer working there, who's going to sue to enforce it?

I also like how the editorial before and after kind of distances itself, yet gives it an overall endorsement of confidence.

Stupid.
 
2013-01-10 10:29:54 AM  
I see that he is still getting paid by the word.
 
2013-01-10 10:34:16 AM  

James!: Sure he was.


Are you just skeptical because you're a Moderator, and trolls tend to increase the number of posts in a thread and the number of times articles are viewed?

You may not have noticed, but there are people who post the same thing in every thread relating to certain topics. It could be that they are bored and have a strong but ridiculous opinion about a topic, or it could be that they are paid. There are more reasons to believe that someone was paid to make posts on the internet than to believe that someone made up a story about being paid to post on the internet. What does he have to gain from it?
 
2013-01-10 10:41:56 AM  

sweetmelissa31: James!: Sure he was.

Are you just skeptical because you're a Moderator, and trolls tend to increase the number of posts in a thread and the number of times articles are viewed?

You may not have noticed, but there are people who post the same thing in every thread relating to certain topics. It could be that they are bored and have a strong but ridiculous opinion about a topic, or it could be that they are paid. There are more reasons to believe that someone was paid to make posts on the internet than to believe that someone made up a story about being paid to post on the internet. What does he have to gain from it?


1 Of course there are paid posters.  They've existed since the days when usenet was where people talked about stuff.

2 The linked bit was B- HS level creative writing.  The author should stick to writing about things he knows and work on his adjectives.

3 I pop up to say something bad about Reagan whenever his name is mentioned not because I'm paid, but because I'm still pissed off.
 
2013-01-10 10:42:04 AM  

sweetmelissa31: James!: Sure he was.

Are you just skeptical because you're a Moderator, and trolls tend to increase the number of posts in a thread and the number of times articles are viewed?

You may not have noticed, but there are people who post the same thing in every thread relating to certain topics. It could be that they are bored and have a strong but ridiculous opinion about a topic, or it could be that they are paid. There are more reasons to believe that someone was paid to make posts on the internet than to believe that someone made up a story about being paid to post on the internet. What does he have to gain from it?


Some people are so wildly self absorbed that they think people have to be paid to disagree with them.  We have the same kinds of people jumping into every circumcision thread or tattoo thread making the same arguments too.  Are they also paid?
 
2013-01-10 10:43:19 AM  
"Tear down that wall"

Still brings a tear to my eye.

did that for free
 
2013-01-10 10:44:00 AM  
I mean honestly, is there a vast conspiracy paying people to argue with you on the internet or did some dude troll Above Top Secret?  Honestly?
 
2013-01-10 10:46:04 AM  

sweetmelissa31: James!: Sure he was.

Are you just skeptical because you're a Moderator, and trolls tend to increase the number of posts in a thread and the number of times articles are viewed?

You may not have noticed, but there are people who post the same thing in every thread relating to certain topics. It could be that they are bored and have a strong but ridiculous opinion about a topic, or it could be that they are paid. There are more reasons to believe that someone was paid to make posts on the internet than to believe that someone made up a story about being paid to post on the internet. What does he have to gain from it?


It came out that Limbaugh has paid actors call his show so I suspect that paid trolls exist
 
2013-01-10 10:46:20 AM  

James!: Some people are so wildly self absorbed that they think people have to be paid to disagree with them.


Nobody thinks that everyone who disagrees with them is paid. But there are some fairly obvious trolls whom I'm sure you notice, but have your own reasons to claim they are not trolls.
 
2013-01-10 10:47:36 AM  

Dr.Fey: James!: Sure he was.

Of course!

She gave me only a phone-number and an address, in one of the seedier parts of San Francisco
"They don't have a website. Or even a name. You'll see. Just tell them I referred you."
...this "company" changed its name almost monthly
"You can't tell anyone what we do here. Not your wife, not your dog."
"We'll give you a cover story and even a phone number and a fake website you can use."
...making my living lying and heckling people who come online to express their views and exercise freedom of speech

A fantasy written by someone who imagines that's what happens.  Not as if there aren't enough actual zealous people out there that voluntarily and willfully (and frequently) post the craziness, any of whom could be easily hired.  If groups are truly paying "non-believers" to do this, why would this super-secret network be revealed anonymously on "consciouslifenews.com"?  After all, even if the author signed an NDA and then stepped forward and went public after no longer working there, who's going to sue to enforce it?

I also like how the editorial before and after kind of distances itself, yet gives it an overall endorsement of confidence.

Stupid.


Not sure if article is legit but this definitely occurs.  Stealth marketing has existed for many years.  It just a no-brainer that political organizations are using this method to one degree or another.  I think you would be naive to think otherwise.  A cluster of people in a run down building seems phony though.
 
2013-01-10 10:48:35 AM  
It is much easier to create a blog and hire the moderators to push your BS.
 
2013-01-10 10:53:15 AM  

sweetmelissa31: James!: Some people are so wildly self absorbed that they think people have to be paid to disagree with them.

Nobody thinks that everyone who disagrees with them is paid. But there are some fairly obvious trolls whom I'm sure you notice, but have your own reasons to claim they are not trolls.


Are they trolls or do they just not agree with the majority of farkers?  It's more conspiracy nonsense.  People think their opinions are so right and beautiful that anyone who disagrees is an obvious troll. Having a contrary opinion in a harsh way? Obvious troll.  Consistently having a contrary opinion? Obvious paid troll.  Having a consistently contrary opinion and not being banned? ZOMG OBVIOUS PAID MOD TROLL!!!
 
2013-01-10 10:54:07 AM  

MrBallou: Off topic: Anybody heard from BillCo lately? I'm worried about him.


He's a few threads down spreading his usual wisdom, warmth, and good cheer
 
2013-01-10 10:54:17 AM  

GAT_00: Rev.K: I'm guessing they do exist on Fark. I can't think of anything else to explain the long list of known threadsh*tters who show up in every single thread about a particular topic.

I don't think that's the proof so much as they last a couple months, and then disappear to be replaced with an entirely new login created 4 days previously saying the exact same things.


It's easy to pick them out, they pretty much only show up during election season, then disappear as soon as it's over. Something about their posting style just doesn't fit with the culture here, because they aren't part of it. After several years of spending time on the Politics tab, they're pretty obvious me. I generally just scroll past their stupid propaganda garbage. It gets kinda maddening to see them stir up a thread, though. I wish folks would just ignore em and move on.
 
2013-01-10 10:55:23 AM  
Nobody is saying that the majority of people who disagree with them is a paid troll. But some exist. You have a reason to ignore them, and are therefore freaking out.
 
2013-01-10 10:55:29 AM  
How can I get paid to be a liberal shill?
 
2013-01-10 10:56:40 AM  

Rev.K: How can I get paid to be a liberal shill?


According to the paid trolls, we're actually paying $5.00 a month to do that now
 
2013-01-10 10:57:01 AM  

sweetmelissa31: Nobody is saying that the majority of people who disagree with them is a paid troll. But some exist. You have a reason to ignore them, and are therefore freaking out.


Is it because I'm part of the conspiracy?  Can my code name be Viper?
 
2013-01-10 10:58:16 AM  

James!: Are they trolls or do they just not agree with the majority of farkers?


Exactly. Coming to Fark not knowing the demographics and getting upset that you're being lambasted then you're in the wrong place.
 
2013-01-10 10:58:56 AM  

James!: Is it because I'm part of the conspiracy? Can my code name be Viper?


Some people are paid to post things on the internet. It's not much of a conspiracy. You are just an over-zealous moderator.
 
2013-01-10 11:00:10 AM  

R.A.Danny: James!: Are they trolls or do they just not agree with the majority of farkers?

Exactly. Coming to Fark not knowing the demographics and getting upset that you're being lambasted then you're in the wrong place.


You have to have a thick skin to be a conservative farker.  You know it, you're pretty conservative on a number of issues yourself.  I'm sure someone has you on their list of paid shills.
 
2013-01-10 11:00:58 AM  

sweetmelissa31: James!: Is it because I'm part of the conspiracy? Can my code name be Viper?

Some people are paid to post things on the internet. It's not much of a conspiracy. You are just an over-zealous moderator.


Yes, article writers, content creators, comic artists, advertisers.  All paid.
 
2013-01-10 11:03:01 AM  

James!: R.A.Danny: James!: Are they trolls or do they just not agree with the majority of farkers?

Exactly. Coming to Fark not knowing the demographics and getting upset that you're being lambasted then you're in the wrong place.

You have to have a thick skin to be a conservative farker.  You know it, you're pretty conservative on a number of issues yourself.  I'm sure someone has you on their list of paid shills.


I'm just a gun nut and I don't like pedophile sympathizers. Other than that I lean a bit to the left on a lot of issues.

Yeah, I'm way to the right of Chicago though, but Chicago politics are on a different plane. A lot of people don't get that.
 
2013-01-10 11:05:12 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: According to the paid trolls, we're actually paying $5.00 a month to do that now


Hahaha!
 
2013-01-10 11:06:42 AM  

James!: sweetmelissa31: James!: Is it because I'm part of the conspiracy? Can my code name be Viper?

Some people are paid to post things on the internet. It's not much of a conspiracy. You are just an over-zealous moderator.

Yes, article writers, content creators, comic artists, advertisers.  All paid.


I'd like to be paid to post on Fark. Where do I sign up?
 
2013-01-10 11:08:13 AM  

make me some tea: James!: sweetmelissa31: James!: Is it because I'm part of the conspiracy? Can my code name be Viper?

Some people are paid to post things on the internet. It's not much of a conspiracy. You are just an over-zealous moderator.

Yes, article writers, content creators, comic artists, advertisers.  All paid.

I'd like to be paid to post on Fark. Where do I sign up?


Meet me at the top of the empire state building at midnight on Friday... bring a duck.
 
2013-01-10 11:11:48 AM  

James!: It's more conspiracy nonsense.


I'm going to coach this with a "I don't know of any paid internet trolls," but back in the dark days of 2004 I manage a stalking horse campaign here in sunny NC that elected one of the worst representatives in the US House. I kinda had a pretty big meltdown afterward and will never, ever associate myself with the Republican party in this state ever again.

Already a shady operation to split the Democrat vote, we kind of illegally employeed a debt-collection call center to put out fake campaign calls for the opposition. Essentially a bunch of folks tenuously employed were given the "option" to "volunteer." It was pretty effective, and we wanted new ways to push opinion.

Now, one of my ideas at the time was to push consensus building on the internet, but there wasn't a lot of support around it, as it hadn't been proven to work elsewhere before. So, do I know if anyone ever really started to try it? No. Do I still think I had a great idea that was seriously probably sorta very evil? Hell yes. If it isn't happening at some level I'd be seriously surprised.

Although with a few years thought behind it, I'd rather pay to shepherd an army of activists to troll for me. There's lots of folks here on both political sides that have no problem derping it up for free. Plus you get a lot more deniability, certainly more than trying to hide donations of call center volunteer time and facilities.
 
2013-01-10 11:14:45 AM  

James!: sweetmelissa31: James!: Is it because I'm part of the conspiracy? Can my code name be Viper?

Some people are paid to post things on the internet. It's not much of a conspiracy. You are just an over-zealous moderator.

Yes, article writers, content creators, comic artists, advertisers. All paid.


I'd bet everything I own in the world that there are people who are paid to post on Fark. I'd be shocked if there wasn't.

This shouldn't be surprising or controversial. It's not even really a "conspiracy.". Astroturfing pre-dates the internet.

That said, the linked article does set off my bullsh*t meter.
 
2013-01-10 11:14:45 AM  

Rev.K: How can I get paid to be a liberal shill?


Yeah, I didn't know there was funding available!
 
2013-01-10 11:16:24 AM  

palladiate: James!: It's more conspiracy nonsense.

I'm going to coach this with a "I don't know of any paid internet trolls," but back in the dark days of 2004 I manage a stalking horse campaign here in sunny NC that elected one of the worst representatives in the US House. I kinda had a pretty big meltdown afterward and will never, ever associate myself with the Republican party in this state ever again.

Already a shady operation to split the Democrat vote, we kind of illegally employeed a debt-collection call center to put out fake campaign calls for the opposition. Essentially a bunch of folks tenuously employed were given the "option" to "volunteer." It was pretty effective, and we wanted new ways to push opinion.

Now, one of my ideas at the time was to push consensus building on the internet, but there wasn't a lot of support around it, as it hadn't been proven to work elsewhere before. So, do I know if anyone ever really started to try it? No. Do I still think I had a great idea that was seriously probably sorta very evil? Hell yes. If it isn't happening at some level I'd be seriously surprised.

Although with a few years thought behind it, I'd rather pay to shepherd an army of activists to troll for me. There's lots of folks here on both political sides that have no problem derping it up for free. Plus you get a lot more deniability, certainly more than trying to hide donations of call center volunteer time and facilities.


You're kind of one the same page as me.  Why would anyone need to pay someone to argue on the internet?  People have been doing it for free for over a decade now.
 
2013-01-10 11:20:38 AM  

sigdiamond2000: James!: sweetmelissa31: James!: Is it because I'm part of the conspiracy? Can my code name be Viper?

Some people are paid to post things on the internet. It's not much of a conspiracy. You are just an over-zealous moderator.

Yes, article writers, content creators, comic artists, advertisers. All paid.

I'd bet everything I own in the world that there are people who are paid to post on Fark. I'd be shocked if there wasn't.

This shouldn't be surprising or controversial. It's not even really a "conspiracy.". Astroturfing pre-dates the internet.

That said, the linked article does set off my bullsh*t meter.


I'm sure there are people who are paid to advance a political opinion who post on fark, but I highly doubt their being paid for posting on fark. We have bloggers from both sides of almost any issue who happen to be members here.  Some of them participate, some just link to their own blog from time to time.

But to say that there is someone whose job is to argue on fark? It's silly.
 
2013-01-10 11:21:00 AM  

James!: Is it because I'm part of the conspiracy? Can my code name be Viper?


Look, we know that Romney paid to get more Twitter followers. We know that every campaign hires people to monitor facebook.

Of COURSE the campaigns have people paid to spread the message via social network. This isn't scandalous or shocking, and I don't think its some nefarious plot to undermine the "integrity" of fark.

There are a lot of people on here with whom I strongly disagree on everything, yet I don't block them because they make actual points.

And then there are people who post stupid photoshops and fake graphs or drop one inflammatory post in a thread and never post again, and I have the vast majority of those people blocked because they add nothing to the conversation.
 
2013-01-10 11:23:15 AM  

what_now: James!: Is it because I'm part of the conspiracy? Can my code name be Viper?

Look, we know that Romney paid to get more Twitter followers. We know that every campaign hires people to monitor facebook.

Of COURSE the campaigns have people paid to spread the message via social network. This isn't scandalous or shocking, and I don't think its some nefarious plot to undermine the "integrity" of fark.

There are a lot of people on here with whom I strongly disagree on everything, yet I don't block them because they make actual points.

And then there are people who post stupid photoshops and fake graphs or drop one inflammatory post in a thread and never post again, and I have the vast majority of those people blocked because they add nothing to the conversation.


If I was paying someone to advance a position I'd want them to do more than just post fake graphs and then leave.

You see Bart, some people are just jerks.
 
2013-01-10 11:24:22 AM  
HAHAHAAH green? Oh fark.
 
2013-01-10 11:24:57 AM  

James!: HAHAHAAH green? Oh fark.


HAHAHA!!!
 
2013-01-10 11:25:46 AM  

sweetmelissa31: James!: Sure he was.

Are you just skeptical because you're a Moderator, and trolls tend to increase the number of posts in a thread and the number of times articles are viewed?

You may not have noticed, but there are people who post the same thing in every thread relating to certain topics. It could be that they are bored and have a strong but ridiculous opinion about a topic, or it could be that they are paid. There are more reasons to believe that someone was paid to make posts on the internet than to believe that someone made up a story about being paid to post on the internet. What does he have to gain from it?


I think that this happens (political shill commenters, I mean), but something seems off or at least exaggerated about the article itself.
 
2013-01-10 11:25:53 AM  
Has Romney's number of Likes on Facebook fallen to zero?

Or is it more like a long, slow burning tire fire?
 
2013-01-10 11:26:28 AM  
This smells like bullshiat.
 
2013-01-10 11:28:50 AM  
(Writing has always been a hobby for me).

You don't say?  This reads like "My First Detective Story".
 
2013-01-10 11:29:25 AM  

James!: what_now: James!: Is it because I'm part of the conspiracy? Can my code name be Viper?

Look, we know that Romney paid to get more Twitter followers. We know that every campaign hires people to monitor facebook.

Of COURSE the campaigns have people paid to spread the message via social network. This isn't scandalous or shocking, and I don't think its some nefarious plot to undermine the "integrity" of fark.

There are a lot of people on here with whom I strongly disagree on everything, yet I don't block them because they make actual points.

And then there are people who post stupid photoshops and fake graphs or drop one inflammatory post in a thread and never post again, and I have the vast majority of those people blocked because they add nothing to the conversation.

If I was paying someone to advance a position I'd want them to do more than just post fake graphs and then leave.

You see Bart, some people are just jerks.


My old company had us make fake reddit accounts and upvote things they posted. I doubt anyone is paid to JUST post fake graphs and then leave, but that doesn't mean people aren't paid for a bunch of stuff, including fake graphs that, like, the Heritage Foundation made and then leave.
 
2013-01-10 11:30:50 AM  

James!: Meet me at the top of the empire state building at midnight on Friday... bring a duck.


Getting a duck through security might be a challenge, but I'll do my best!
 
2013-01-10 11:31:05 AM  

mahuika: I doubt anyone is paid to JUST post fake graphs and then leave, but that doesn't mean people aren't paid for a bunch of stuff, including being asked to post fake graphs that, like, the Heritage Foundation made and then leave.

 
2013-01-10 11:31:40 AM  

mahuika: James!: what_now: James!: Is it because I'm part of the conspiracy? Can my code name be Viper?

Look, we know that Romney paid to get more Twitter followers. We know that every campaign hires people to monitor facebook.

Of COURSE the campaigns have people paid to spread the message via social network. This isn't scandalous or shocking, and I don't think its some nefarious plot to undermine the "integrity" of fark.

There are a lot of people on here with whom I strongly disagree on everything, yet I don't block them because they make actual points.

And then there are people who post stupid photoshops and fake graphs or drop one inflammatory post in a thread and never post again, and I have the vast majority of those people blocked because they add nothing to the conversation.

If I was paying someone to advance a position I'd want them to do more than just post fake graphs and then leave.

You see Bart, some people are just jerks.

My old company had us make fake reddit accounts and upvote things they posted. I doubt anyone is paid to JUST post fake graphs and then leave, but that doesn't mean people aren't paid for a bunch of stuff, including fake graphs that, like, the Heritage Foundation made and then leave.


How much would you pay someone for that?  Also, seriously you don't think people would gladly do that for free? You spend a considerable amount of time watching the freepers do you think they wouldn't come over here and do that shiat for free?
 
2013-01-10 11:32:06 AM  

make me some tea: James!: Meet me at the top of the empire state building at midnight on Friday... bring a duck.

Getting a duck through security might be a challenge, but I'll do my best!


This is your first test.
 
2013-01-10 11:33:01 AM  
He forgot to include the part where he had to wear a trench coat and fedora to work every day. There also needed to be more about the fear he now has for his safety, perhaps an account or two of his slipping a tail. You can't write a piece like this without the phrase "slipped my tail." Needed more dames, too. Lots more dames. Other than that, I believe this completely and without question.
 
2013-01-10 11:33:40 AM  
hmm...I wonder if they're still hiring...
 
2013-01-10 11:33:58 AM  

mahuika: James!: what_now: James!: Is it because I'm part of the conspiracy? Can my code name be Viper?

Look, we know that Romney paid to get more Twitter followers. We know that every campaign hires people to monitor facebook.

Of COURSE the campaigns have people paid to spread the message via social network. This isn't scandalous or shocking, and I don't think its some nefarious plot to undermine the "integrity" of fark.

There are a lot of people on here with whom I strongly disagree on everything, yet I don't block them because they make actual points.

And then there are people who post stupid photoshops and fake graphs or drop one inflammatory post in a thread and never post again, and I have the vast majority of those people blocked because they add nothing to the conversation.

If I was paying someone to advance a position I'd want them to do more than just post fake graphs and then leave.

You see Bart, some people are just jerks.

My old company had us make fake reddit accounts and upvote things they posted. I doubt anyone is paid to JUST post fake graphs and then leave, but that doesn't mean people aren't paid for a bunch of stuff, including fake graphs that, like, the Heritage Foundation made and then leave.


I've got a friend who runs a company that provides an "online reputation enhancement" service. Which means he posts fake Yelp reviews, fake comments on Facebook, etc., promoting whatever it is his clients wish to promote. I can assure you that this is definitely real. No idea whether the author of that article is telling the truth, but it is out being done, and it's becoming a big industry.
 
2013-01-10 11:36:56 AM  

James!: How much would you pay someone for that? Also, seriously you don't think people would gladly do that for free? You spend a considerable amount of time watching the freepers do you think they wouldn't come over here and do that shiat for free?


Again, I don't think it's unlikely that companies or businesses that benefit from people believing certain things and supporting certain things use their salaried employees to say those certain things, or to create strawmen who say the opposite. It's not that they are being paid to say a certain thing.

Example: I used to basically be a administrative assistant. We were paid a salary for doing office stuff. Every week they'd send around an email asking us to comment and upvote stuff that they posted on various social media cites, such as Digg, Reddit, Facebook, Twitter, etc. We had a sponsor in a golf tournament who had our companies logo on it. A coworker and I were told to have a fake argument over this guy on reddit, because it would cause people to click the image and see our logo.
 
2013-01-10 11:37:50 AM  
Although I think paid posters exist, I am calling shenigans on this one for several reasons:
1) no verifiable details
2) old building (people wouldn't need to work at a particular location and this would make it more problematic to conceal IP patterns/origins, in San Francisco with the most expensive real-estate anywhere no less)
3) focus on writing skills (the focus would be volume)
4) telling a great writer about using a Thesaurus
5) you wouldn't limit anyone to a fixed number of blogs.  To avoid people being identified as shills it would make sense to spread posts across as many blogs as possible rather than focusing on certain blogs.  You would want all poster posting to as many blogs as possible to avoid obvious patterns
6) doesn't mention: reporting/auditing which would be half the job
 
2013-01-10 11:38:00 AM  

James!: I mean honestly, is there a vast conspiracy paying people to argue with you on the internet or did some dude troll Above Top Secret?  Honestly?


stranger things have happened.  i'm willing to bet there are a couple people/organizations that use fark (and other popular websites) to manipulate public opinion.  you can quibble about the extent of said manipulation or the motives behind it...but I have little doubt it's being done.  notice how some of our 'post and run' trolls have evaporated from the politics tab now that the elections are over?  I sure have...and I don't think i'm the only one either.  Can I prove beyond any possibility of any doubt that fark has paid political trolls infesting various tabs?  no.  But is it reasonable to believe that we've got a couple out there?  sure.
 
2013-01-10 11:38:30 AM  
I miss Gary.

imageshack.us
 
2013-01-10 11:38:46 AM  

Pocket Ninja: He forgot to include the part where he had to wear a trench coat and fedora to work every day. There also needed to be more about the fear he now has for his safety, perhaps an account or two of his slipping a tail. You can't write a piece like this without the phrase "slipped my tail." Needed more dames, too. Lots more dames. Other than that, I believe this completely and without question.


The dame that got him the job had a pout like a kitten and legs that went all the way to China, he just forgot to mention it.
 
2013-01-10 11:40:43 AM  

mahuika: James!: How much would you pay someone for that? Also, seriously you don't think people would gladly do that for free? You spend a considerable amount of time watching the freepers do you think they wouldn't come over here and do that shiat for free?

Again, I don't think it's unlikely that companies or businesses that benefit from people believing certain things and supporting certain things use their salaried employees to say those certain things, or to create strawmen who say the opposite. It's not that they are being paid to say a certain thing.

Example: I used to basically be a administrative assistant. We were paid a salary for doing office stuff. Every week they'd send around an email asking us to comment and upvote stuff that they posted on various social media cites, such as Digg, Reddit, Facebook, Twitter, etc. We had a sponsor in a golf tournament who had our companies logo on it. A coworker and I were told to have a fake argument over this guy on reddit, because it would cause people to click the image and see our logo.


You know what, now that you mention it Mountaindewrox43's enthusiasm for the Xgames does seem suspicious...
 
2013-01-10 11:41:32 AM  
funny thing about conspiracies....truth is sometimes stranger than fiction.  after reading the story behind the Glomar Explorer (and the fact that the gotdamn thing actually worked) suddenly the idea of paid internet shills doesn't seem so weird.
 
2013-01-10 11:41:45 AM  
Well, I, for one, am shocked, SHOCKED, that such a thing exists.
 
2013-01-10 11:41:56 AM  

sigdiamond2000: I'd bet everything I own in the world that there are people who are paid to post on Fark.


Well, back when I had a different amount of free time and was in the top five of all-time headline greenlit submitters, I would occasionally have some corporate marketing genius try to get me to post a headline pimping their stuff.  I'd always refuse and forward the request to Drew.  I'm sure that goes on all the time.  I know it's how 40below made his first few million.

That said, I have to agree with palladiate and the Agent code named Viper.  I'd like to see some actual proof of someone hiring random strangers without strong views to push a political agenda as opposed to encouraging the already-converted to do so.  [Citation, please]

*I made that up.  He runs an escort service.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-10 11:42:25 AM  
This sort of thing is common.  I don't know much about the political paid trolls, but it is very common for businesses.  There are companies that specialize in this even for individuals.
 
2013-01-10 11:43:14 AM  

Weaver95: James!: I mean honestly, is there a vast conspiracy paying people to argue with you on the internet or did some dude troll Above Top Secret?  Honestly?

stranger things have happened.  i'm willing to bet there are a couple people/organizations that use fark (and other popular websites) to manipulate public opinion.  you can quibble about the extent of said manipulation or the motives behind it...but I have little doubt it's being done.  notice how some of our 'post and run' trolls have evaporated from the politics tab now that the elections are over?  I sure have...and I don't think i'm the only one either.  Can I prove beyond any possibility of any doubt that fark has paid political trolls infesting various tabs?  no.  But is it reasonable to believe that we've got a couple out there?  sure.


I used to only give a shiat about fark around election years.  My OG login started durring the 2006 election and after it was over I farked off to TFD for like 6 months cause I was tired of talking about politics.
 
2013-01-10 11:43:17 AM  
"Paid internet shill" is just someone who doesn't agree with you, and furthermore comma
 
2013-01-10 11:44:36 AM  

vpb: This sort of thing is common.  I don't know much about the political paid trolls, but it is very common for businesses.  There are companies that specialize in this even for individuals.


again - can I prove beyond a doubt that a given fark account is a paid shill?  no.  But is it likely we've got paid shills on fark?  yup.  just tracking the uptick in throw away accounts during the run up period to the elections would more than prove that claim.
 
2013-01-10 11:45:11 AM  
"Jackson Herring" is just the name of the person I pay to be my friend on Fark dot com.
 
2013-01-10 11:45:14 AM  
You mean I can get paid to do this?

Who knew.
 
2013-01-10 11:45:39 AM  

Jackson Herring: "Paid internet shill" is just someone who doesn't agree with you, and furthermore comma


Who pays you?
 
2013-01-10 11:46:21 AM  

mahuika: A coworker and I were told to have a fake argument over this guy on reddit, because it would cause people to click the image and see our logo.


A likely story, PERSON WHO DOES NOT AGREE WITH ME
 
2013-01-10 11:46:57 AM  

James!: Jackson Herring: "Paid internet shill" is just someone who doesn't agree with you, and furthermore comma

Who pays you?


My posts are priceless.
 
2013-01-10 11:47:40 AM  
James!:
I used to only give a shiat about fark around election years.  My OG login started durring the 2006 election and after it was over I farked off to TFD for like 6 months cause I was tired of talking about politics.

all i'm saying is that there's some rather strange cycles that happen in the politics tab.  I spend a LOT of time there, more than I probably should...so I (and likely a few others) noticed the influx of suddenly dormant accounts 'waking up', posting slanted and extremely consistent view points, and then evaporating again after the elections were done.  were they shill accounts?  people who suddenly decided to log in after a long absence to chime in on issues important to them?  got me.  maybe a little bit of both.
 
2013-01-10 11:48:39 AM  

Jackson Herring: James!: Jackson Herring: "Paid internet shill" is just someone who doesn't agree with you, and furthermore comma

Who pays you?

My posts are priceless.


Did you mean to type price or worth?
 
2013-01-10 11:48:47 AM  

sweetmelissa31: "Jackson Herring" is just the name of the person I pay to be my friend on Fark dot com.


All these years and I've liked you for free.  I feel ripped off.
 
2013-01-10 11:48:53 AM  

Mentat: I miss Gary.

[imageshack.us image 500x332]


after years of jousting with him, i finally had to put ol' gary on ignore. i still got the feeling that he wasn't a troll; rather, that he actually did fervently feel what he was posting.

whatever happened to him? is he still on fark?
 
2013-01-10 11:49:17 AM  

BillCo: You mean I can get paid to do this?

Who knew.


I can't believe I get to rip your ideology apart for free.
 
2013-01-10 11:50:20 AM  

BillCo: You mean I can get paid to do this?

Who knew.


Better start advertising your services....
 
2013-01-10 11:50:47 AM  

mrshowrules: All these years and I've liked you for free. I feel ripped off.


That's just how the Market works, Mrs. How Rules.
 
2013-01-10 11:51:16 AM  
So how many McCain points did he finish with?
 
2013-01-10 11:51:17 AM  

James!: Did you mean to type price or worth?


Weird, that is formatted almost exactly the same as a "personal attack" that recently got me in trouble.
 
2013-01-10 11:51:20 AM  

James!: I mean honestly, is there a vast conspiracy paying people to argue with you on the internet or did some dude troll Above Top Secret?  Honestly?


Oh you would say that.  You're in LEAGUE with them!!

GET HIM!!
 
2013-01-10 11:52:25 AM  

gilgigamesh: James!: I mean honestly, is there a vast conspiracy paying people to argue with you on the internet or did some dude troll Above Top Secret?  Honestly?

Oh you would say that.  You're in LEAGUE with them!!

GET HIM!!


I KNEW IT ALL ALONG
 
2013-01-10 11:53:10 AM  

Weaver95: James!:
I used to only give a shiat about fark around election years.  My OG login started durring the 2006 election and after it was over I farked off to TFD for like 6 months cause I was tired of talking about politics.

all i'm saying is that there's some rather strange cycles that happen in the politics tab.  I spend a LOT of time there, more than I probably should...so I (and likely a few others) noticed the influx of suddenly dormant accounts 'waking up', posting slanted and extremely consistent view points, and then evaporating again after the elections were done.  were they shill accounts?  people who suddenly decided to log in after a long absence to chime in on issues important to them?  got me.  maybe a little bit of both.


I would say poke your head out and look around the other threads a bit.  I noticed people I usually only see in TFD or Sports threads suddenly take an interest in politics.  Some people came out of the woodwork from years ago, but accounts don't expire.  We used to have a larger contingent of rightwing political tab farkers who left for one reason or another.  You used to be one of them.   Some new people joined up and that was noted and remarked upon with great suspicion.
 
2013-01-10 11:54:59 AM  
Dammit, I wish I got paid for sharing my opinions with the internet.

They're totally worth it, I promise. SOMEONE GIVE ME A FEW DOLLARS TO TALK ABOUT FEMINISM PLEASE!

Or just listen when I do it, and I'll do it for free....

/Here's a dollar, please validate me.
 
2013-01-10 11:55:46 AM  

Jackson Herring: James!: Did you mean to type price or worth?

Weird, that is formatted almost exactly the same as a "personal attack" that recently got me in trouble.


I'm not the person to bring any recent troubles to, but there is a mechanism in place if you have concerns
 
2013-01-10 11:55:50 AM  

sweetmelissa31: "Jackson Herring" is just the name of the person I pay to be my friend on Fark dot com.


"Another fat dog with comic sans text over? That is IT, I demand a raise."
 
2013-01-10 11:56:15 AM  

James!: noted and remarked upon with great suspicion.


I can only imagine my Fark dossier.

Boring
Boring
Boring
DAMN he likes to troll truckers!
Boring
Boring
Boring
Boring
He hates cheeseheads too!
Boring
Well, duh, he's a drunk and likes tits.
Boring
Gun nut
Boring
Boring....
 
2013-01-10 11:57:11 AM  
FTFA: Each popular poster was classified as "hostile," "friendly," or "indifferent" to my goal.

I wonder what the shills (if any) have me classified as...
 
2013-01-10 11:58:57 AM  
aaaaaaand red.
 
2013-01-10 11:59:46 AM  

James!: sweetmelissa31: James!: Some people are so wildly self absorbed that they think people have to be paid to disagree with them.

Nobody thinks that everyone who disagrees with them is paid. But there are some fairly obvious trolls whom I'm sure you notice, but have your own reasons to claim they are not trolls.

Are they trolls or do they just not agree with the majority of farkers?  It's more conspiracy nonsense.  People think their opinions are so right and beautiful that anyone who disagrees is an obvious troll. Having a contrary opinion in a harsh way? Obvious troll.  Consistently having a contrary opinion? Obvious paid troll.  Having a consistently contrary opinion and not being banned? ZOMG OBVIOUS PAID MOD TROLL!!!


So are you saying there is no such thing as internet forum shills? Do you need citations?

Ive been participating pretty consistently in the poli threads since 2004. And the number of posters who I suspect are shills has  increased drastically since then. I expect that this has to do with political organizations becoming more net savvy in combination with Fark becoming more well known.

Back in the day when TGOT or Wever95 would post an opinion I didnt agree with it was pretty easy to tell they were sincere. When the Patriot Act came out it affected these guys big time. TGOT posted a sad and puzzled good-bye thread in TFD and Weaver95 eventually became a solid Dem supporter.

I notice you have been spending some more time in these poli threads in the last 6 months (?) or so and I , for one, appreciate an overt Mod presence. But to imply that I call someone a shill just because they disagree with me is a pretty glib insult on your part.

I am not a stupid person. I read very quickly and I enjoy a good debate. I am always respectful. I may tease a bit but I never insult. I really value a good opponent in a political debate. Unfortunately there are very few of those left here. Most of the discussions I get into with "conservatives" here at Fark become oddly circular and nonsensical. They repeat the same easily disproved "fact" over and over as though it was a revelation. They say the same things in every thread - often with only the most tangential relationship to the thread topic.

Eventually I come to the conclusion that they are shills because real people dont argue like that. Real people get tired of typing exactly the same sentence over and over. Real people dont have a file full of copy pasta responses that they rehash over and over.

The main problem (from your standpoint) is that ultimately these paid shills are dull. They drive real unpaid posters away because these guys are just boring and annoying to respond to.

I am very very disappointed in your assessment of the situation. I am not a shallow person. I do not require that everyone agree with me for me to take their point of view seriously but I would like them to be sincere in their arguments. That Fark consistently turns a blind eye to blatant shilling has always been something of a mystery to me.
 
2013-01-10 11:59:48 AM  

James!: HAHAHAAH green? Oh fark.


Not anymore.

Wonder why the admins pulled it? Too controversial? A repeat? MAYBE THE MOD/MINS ARE IN ON THE GIG

*dons tinfoil hat*

/and, of course, getting no answer will only STRENGTHEN the paranoia
//and getting ANY answer will also strengthen the paranoia, because I KNOW THEY'RE LYING TO ME, THE VOICES TOLD ME SO
///...
////I think my blood sugar is getting too low
 
2013-01-10 12:00:12 PM  

Rev.K: aaaaaaand red.


It looks like the powers that be rethought it since it's going to be a nightmare of troll accusations and calling out people not in the thread.
 
2013-01-10 12:00:33 PM  

Genevieve Marie: Dammit, I wish I got paid for sharing my opinions with the internet.

They're totally worth it, I promise. SOMEONE GIVE ME A FEW DOLLARS TO TALK ABOUT FEMINISM PLEASE!

Or just listen when I do it, and I'll do it for free....

/Here's a dollar, please validate me.


They won't pay you for it if they know you will do it for free:

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-01-10 12:01:05 PM  
Red?!?!?!  THE FIX IS ON!!!!
 
2013-01-10 12:02:54 PM  

James!: Rev.K: aaaaaaand red.

It looks like the powers that be rethought it since it's going to be a nightmare of troll accusations and calling out people not in the thread.


Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuure that's the reason. Yep.

R.A.Danny: Red?!?!?!  THE FIX IS ON!!!!


INORITE!!!?!?
 
2013-01-10 12:03:21 PM  

James!: Rev.K: aaaaaaand red.

It looks like the powers that be rethought it since it's going to be a nightmare of troll accusations and calling out people not in the thread.


Probably for the best. Between the people that think Drew has trolls on the payroll and this, it would be a real shiatstorm.
 
2013-01-10 12:05:10 PM  

James!: and calling out people not in the thread.


Some of that mighta been my bad, sorry.  I meant it respectfully toward the person I mentioned, anyway.  Oh well.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-10 12:06:22 PM  

James!: Rev.K: aaaaaaand red.

It looks like the powers that be rethought it since it's going to be a nightmare of troll accusations and calling out people not in the thread.


That would have been awesome!
 
2013-01-10 12:07:12 PM  

James!: Rev.K: aaaaaaand red.

It looks like the powers that be rethought it since it's going to be a nightmare of troll accusations and calling out people not in the thread.


Ok, serious answer. I almost called out the infamous "tinfoil to keep God out of their brainwaves" guy. So, I see your point.

Ok, now back to the silliness.

images.sodahead.com
 
2013-01-10 12:07:48 PM  

vpb: James!: Rev.K: aaaaaaand red.

It looks like the powers that be rethought it since it's going to be a nightmare of troll accusations and calling out people not in the thread.

That would have been awesome!


That would've been TFD.

HEY-OH
 
2013-01-10 12:08:11 PM  

James!: Rev.K: aaaaaaand red.

It looks like the powers that be rethought it since it's going to be a nightmare of troll accusations and calling out people not in the thread.


if you chant my name three times, it summons me to the discussion thread.
 
2013-01-10 12:10:21 PM  

R.A.Danny: Red?!?!?!  THE FIX IS ON!!!!


No kidding.  First greenlit, 100+ posts, no competing submisssions and not a threadjack or a trainwreck and suddenly redlit.

Great job mods.
 
2013-01-10 12:11:45 PM  

mrshowrules: R.A.Danny: Red?!?!?!  THE FIX IS ON!!!!

No kidding.  First greenlit, 100+ posts, no competing submisssions and not a threadjack or a trainwreck and suddenly redlit.

Great job  mods. admins


That would frost my balls.
 
2013-01-10 12:25:00 PM  
I was Teenwolf.
 
2013-01-10 12:29:34 PM  

quickdraw: James!: sweetmelissa31: James!: Some people are so wildly self absorbed that they think people have to be paid to disagree with them.

Nobody thinks that everyone who disagrees with them is paid. But there are some fairly obvious trolls whom I'm sure you notice, but have your own reasons to claim they are not trolls.

Are they trolls or do they just not agree with the majority of farkers?  It's more conspiracy nonsense.  People think their opinions are so right and beautiful that anyone who disagrees is an obvious troll. Having a contrary opinion in a harsh way? Obvious troll.  Consistently having a contrary opinion? Obvious paid troll.  Having a consistently contrary opinion and not being banned? ZOMG OBVIOUS PAID MOD TROLL!!!

So are you saying there is no such thing as internet forum shills? Do you need citations?

Ive been participating pretty consistently in the poli threads since 2004. And the number of posters who I suspect are shills has  increased drastically since then. I expect that this has to do with political organizations becoming more net savvy in combination with Fark becoming more well known.

Back in the day when TGOT or Wever95 would post an opinion I didnt agree with it was pretty easy to tell they were sincere. When the Patriot Act came out it affected these guys big time. TGOT posted a sad and puzzled good-bye thread in TFD and Weaver95 eventually became a solid Dem supporter.

I notice you have been spending some more time in these poli threads in the last 6 months (?) or so and I , for one, appreciate an overt Mod presence. But to imply that I call someone a shill just because they disagree with me is a pretty glib insult on your part.

I am not a stupid person. I read very quickly and I enjoy a good debate. I am always respectful. I may tease a bit but I never insult. I really value a good opponent in a political debate. Unfortunately there are very few of those left here. Most of the discussions I get into with "conservatives" here at Fark ...


I'll try to address this, but there is a lot so I apologize if I miss something.  I've been around the politics tab for 6 years, I used to post under the username Barbigazi but about 2 years ago I decided to switch logins.  We do have a handful of habitual trouble makers on the site on both sides, but what I don't think a lot of people realize (or like) is how much leash we give to everybody on the site.  There's no requirement that arguments be interesting or original or good all we ask is that people don't flame each other or derail threads.  And we have come to consider troll accusations to be both insults and derailments of threads.  How many threads have you seen where the topic falls aside so that people can complain about someone they are sure is a troll and "why are they still allowed to post they must be protected".  What I think is worse is when someone comes into a thread trying to discuss the topic only to be shouted down by people who have already written that person off as a troll. I've seen it, hell I've been responsible for it before I was a mod I got temporary bans a couple of times..

Bottom line though is that we as moderators assume that everyone is arguing in good faith, and if it's clear that they're just around to cause trouble (and it has to be crystal clear before we'll give someone the boot) then they'll find they aren't welcome here anymore.  But we aren't mind readers and half the fun of fark is people goofing off and poking at each other.  I've seen liberal farkers tear into liberal farkers accusing them of being a rightwing troll over a joke. And I've seen people who everyone assumes is just a troll have completely normal discussions in other tabs.  And I've seen people who think they're helping by trolling the shiat out of people (which does not help).

I've seen so many weird conspiracy theories over the years about how the staff must be being paid off by one side or another that it's just silly to me at this point.  I don't take it seriously.
 
2013-01-10 12:34:54 PM  
I think it would be funny if this thread kept going from red to green to red to green, and maybe some of the postings throughout were randomly removed, restored, others removed...

/why I'm not a mod or admin.
 
2013-01-10 12:36:58 PM  

Dr.Fey: I think it would be funny if this thread kept going from red to green to red to green, and maybe some of the postings throughout were randomly removed, restored, others removed...

/why I'm not a mod or admin.


Oh god, that's tempting.

I feel like Fred Flintstone and you're the Great Gazoo.
 
2013-01-10 12:39:41 PM  

Dr.Fey: I think it would be funny if this thread kept going from red to green to red to green,


Wouldn't it though?
 
2013-01-10 12:39:46 PM  
Are they paid in shillings?
 
2013-01-10 12:40:09 PM  
And it's green again.

If it keeps going from green to red to green to red to green red green redgreenredgreenred I may have a seizure.

Or I'll opt to watch some campy Canadian comedy sketch show.
 
2013-01-10 12:40:47 PM  

brap: Are they paid in shillings?


That would make no cents.
 
2013-01-10 12:41:01 PM  
HAHAHAHA!!!!
 
2013-01-10 12:41:21 PM  

xanadian: And it's green again.

If it keeps going from green to red to green to red to green red green redgreenredgreenred I may have a seizure.

Or I'll opt to watch some campy Canadian comedy sketch show.


Jesus Christ, they drove the man to watch Canadian television?  Monsters!
 
2013-01-10 12:41:54 PM  

James!: xanadian: And it's green again.

If it keeps going from green to red to green to red to green red green redgreenredgreenred I may have a seizure.

Or I'll opt to watch some campy Canadian comedy sketch show.

Jesus Christ, they drove the man to watch Canadian television?  Monsters!


And after that, it's The Littlest Hobo.
 
2013-01-10 12:45:18 PM  
choosepp.net
 
2013-01-10 12:45:51 PM  

brap: Are they paid in shillings?

Should I try the meatloaf?

 
2013-01-10 12:49:39 PM  

mrshowrules: brap: Are they paid in shillings?

Should I try the meatloaf?


Don't let your meat loaf.

- This post was brought to you by The American Boner Council

- It was actually pro-bono
 
2013-01-10 12:50:22 PM  

James!: I've seen so many weird conspiracy theories over the years about how the staff must be being paid off by one side or another that it's just silly to me at this point. I don't take it seriously.


Nobody said that Fark is getting paid by trolls.
 
2013-01-10 12:54:06 PM  
I'm holding out for the Five-Headed Hydra of Zionist Media, the Gay Mafia, the NRA, and the Illuminati to get into a bidding war over my opinions.

KA-CHING!
 
2013-01-10 12:54:38 PM  

sweetmelissa31: James!: I've seen so many weird conspiracy theories over the years about how the staff must be being paid off by one side or another that it's just silly to me at this point. I don't take it seriously.

Nobody said that Fark is getting paid by trolls.


Eh, there are often a lot of insinuations that paid shills that send of Fark page views are sheltered and protected or something like that. Honestly, most of it is silly enough that we tune it out.
 
2013-01-10 12:55:07 PM  

sweetmelissa31: James!: I've seen so many weird conspiracy theories over the years about how the staff must be being paid off by one side or another that it's just silly to me at this point. I don't take it seriously.

Nobody said that Fark is getting paid by trolls.


Almost daily people say we're paid by WND/KOS/Daily Mail/Entertainment Weekly to green links.  And I said side not trolls, taking a side doesn't make someone a troll.
 
2013-01-10 12:55:08 PM  
Send up page views, not send of.

Gah.
 
2013-01-10 12:55:50 PM  

Genevieve Marie: Send up page views, not send of.

Gah.


Pricipal caught sayof?
 
2013-01-10 12:55:53 PM  
There are some people who have their posts so obviously prepared for an argument they see coming, that it really makes you wonder sometimes. Obvious examples can be seen on both sides of an Israel / Palestine thread. I don't know if they are paid, or just bored fanatics with too much time.
 
2013-01-10 12:56:38 PM  
This needs to go really green.

For about 7 minutes.
 
2013-01-10 12:57:10 PM  

violentsalvation: There are some people who have their posts so obviously prepared for an argument they see coming, that it really makes you wonder sometimes. Obvious examples can be seen on both sides of an Israel / Palestine thread. I don't know if they are paid, or just bored fanatics with too much time.


Fark: Bored Fanatics with too much time.

Can we get that added to the slogans up top?
 
2013-01-10 01:01:55 PM  

violentsalvation: There are some people who have their posts so obviously prepared for an argument they see coming, that it really makes you wonder sometimes. Obvious examples can be seen on both sides of an Israel / Palestine thread. I don't know if they are paid, or just bored fanatics with too much time.


Well, to be fair there are several topics for which I have an argument all ready to go.

Of course, in my case its because I'm always right, and I just want to share my brilliance with others. Unlike some people.
 
2013-01-10 01:02:06 PM  
James!: I've seen so many weird conspiracy theories over the years about how the staff must be being paid off by one side or another that it's just silly to me at this point.  I don't take it seriously

nor should you.  I don't envy the fark mods or admins - you catch hell no matter what you guys do or decisions you make.  shiat - I'll bet you've gotta strap on body armor just to read the fark email inbox.  that said, while I and others might not always agree with or even understand your decisions, most sane people on this site understand that we're not seeing the same things you guys are seeing, nor do we - as regular users - have to put up with the rules, guidelines and management policies that you have to follow.
 
2013-01-10 01:03:23 PM  

violentsalvation: There are some people who have their posts so obviously prepared for an argument they see coming, that it really makes you wonder sometimes. Obvious examples can be seen on both sides of an Israel / Palestine thread. I don't know if they are paid, or just bored fanatics with too much time.


yeah, but is that a paid shill or is it freeper madness contaminating fark discussion threads?  it cuts both ways.
 
2013-01-10 01:04:19 PM  

Weaver95: James!: I've seen so many weird conspiracy theories over the years about how the staff must be being paid off by one side or another that it's just silly to me at this point.  I don't take it seriously

nor should you.  I don't envy the fark mods or admins - you catch hell no matter what you guys do or decisions you make.  shiat - I'll bet you've gotta strap on body armor just to read the fark email inbox.  that said, while I and others might not always agree with or even understand your decisions, most sane people on this site understand that we're not seeing the same things you guys are seeing, nor do we - as regular users - have to put up with the rules, guidelines and management policies that you have to follow.


Eh, that's why we drink in the morning. It helps.
 
2013-01-10 01:04:53 PM  

R.A.Danny: This needs to go really green.

For about 7 minutes.


And then red again.

And then green after another 30 mins or so. Really screw with the liters.
 
2013-01-10 01:05:29 PM  
/\
Now THAT'S trollin'!
 
2013-01-10 01:06:27 PM  

James!: I've seen so many weird conspiracy theories over the years about how the staff must be being paid off by one side or another that it's just silly to me at this point. I don't take it seriously.


No one REALLY thinks that the unpaid admins and mods are part of the Vast Conservative/Liberal Conspiracy.

We think two things: 1) Politicians and action groups pay people to spread their message on social media 2) Controversial topics and inflammatory posts stir up conversation. Look, if we *really* only cared about the news, every link in the politics tab would be to reputable news sources, not WND and Breitbart. And I won't say that TPM and Daily Kos are anywhere as derptastic as those two, because false equivalency is worse than Hitler, but those four sites make up a large proportion of greenlit threads.

TL;DR- no one thinks you're Spiro Agnew, but don't be that guy who's SHOCKED to find gambling going on at this establishment.
 
2013-01-10 01:07:26 PM  
That was a really poor piece of creative writing.
 
2013-01-10 01:08:42 PM  

what_now: because false equivalency is worse than Hitler


lol that should be a slogan up at the top, too.
 
2013-01-10 01:09:35 PM  

violentsalvation: what_now: because false equivalency is worse than Hitler

lol that should be a slogan up at the top, too.


Yea, I like that one a lot.
 
2013-01-10 01:10:08 PM  

Genevieve Marie: Weaver95: James!: I've seen so many weird conspiracy theories over the years about how the staff must be being paid off by one side or another that it's just silly to me at this point.  I don't take it seriously

nor should you.  I don't envy the fark mods or admins - you catch hell no matter what you guys do or decisions you make.  shiat - I'll bet you've gotta strap on body armor just to read the fark email inbox.  that said, while I and others might not always agree with or even understand your decisions, most sane people on this site understand that we're not seeing the same things you guys are seeing, nor do we - as regular users - have to put up with the rules, guidelines and management policies that you have to follow.

Eh, that's why we drink in the morning. It helps.


heh.  i'll bet.
 
2013-01-10 01:11:26 PM  

what_now: James!: I've seen so many weird conspiracy theories over the years about how the staff must be being paid off by one side or another that it's just silly to me at this point. I don't take it seriously.

No one REALLY thinks that the unpaid admins and mods are part of the Vast Conservative/Liberal Conspiracy.

We think two things: 1) Politicians and action groups pay people to spread their message on social media 2) Controversial topics and inflammatory posts stir up conversation. Look, if we *really* only cared about the news, every link in the politics tab would be to reputable news sources, not WND and Breitbart. And I won't say that TPM and Daily Kos are anywhere as derptastic as those two, because false equivalency is worse than Hitler, but those four sites make up a large proportion of greenlit threads.

TL;DR- no one thinks you're Spiro Agnew, but don't be that guy who's SHOCKED to find gambling going on at this establishment.


It's not news, it's fark.com.  75% of the users scroll right past news and jump all over a derp article with a crazy headline.
 
2013-01-10 01:13:54 PM  

James!: It's not news, it's fark.com. 75% of the users scroll right past news and jump all over a derp article with a crazy headline.


Exactly. And you are going to get someone that whinges about the level of WND greenlights, but you know, sometimes you go to zoo to learn about the conservation plans for the Ocelot, and sometimes you want to see the monkeys fling poo.
 
2013-01-10 01:15:29 PM  
James!:
It's not news, it's fark.com.  75% of the users scroll right past news and jump all over a derp article with a crazy headline.

lets face it - corporate news is bland, boring and excessively controlled.  one of the best things about fark is the ability to just unload on an article or topic without fear of being quashed by a series of automated scripts.  are there rules? sure.  and the lines are fairly well defined.  step over 'em and you'll know it...but even so, still we've got a LOT of room to rant.  And rant we do, about anything/everything.  ain't no sacred cows here.

the downside tho is that we get a lot of stupid mixed in with the insightful.  with a dash of crazy on top of it all.  which is great cover for paid shills to slip in their pre-digested talking points and then fade away in the background.
 
2013-01-10 01:15:58 PM  

what_now: James!: It's not news, it's fark.com. 75% of the users scroll right past news and jump all over a derp article with a crazy headline.

Exactly. And you are going to get someone that whinges about the level of WND greenlights, but you know, sometimes you go to zoo to learn about the conservation plans for the Ocelot, and sometimes you want to see the monkeys fling poo.


This is always been a monkeys fling poo website.  We just prefer that the zoo patrons refrain from flinging poo as well.
 
2013-01-10 01:17:20 PM  

Weaver95: James!:
It's not news, it's fark.com.  75% of the users scroll right past news and jump all over a derp article with a crazy headline.

lets face it - corporate news is bland, boring and excessively controlled.  one of the best things about fark is the ability to just unload on an article or topic without fear of being quashed by a series of automated scripts.  are there rules? sure.  and the lines are fairly well defined.  step over 'em and you'll know it...but even so, still we've got a LOT of room to rant.  And rant we do, about anything/everything.  ain't no sacred cows here.

the downside tho is that we get a lot of stupid mixed in with the insightful.  with a dash of crazy on top of it all.  which is great cover for paid shills to slip in their pre-digested talking points and then fade away in the background.


Or a great mound of shiat for their posts to get buried in and ignored.
 
2013-01-10 01:17:36 PM  

James!: HAHAHAAH green? Oh fark.


The paid shill proponents have gotten to the Admins! Why is Fark hiding this? It must be true or Fark would not have silenced opinion and buried the thread!

That said, there are plenty of businesses who get hired to pump up products on the Internet. This is the same. I'm sure that there are people paid to promote stuff on Pinterest, Facebook and other places.

But James! Is right. People on the pol tab here just want to fight. They do it for free or pay to do it.

But I do really think that Coke Zero is superior to that socialist Diet Pepsi crap!!!! And I think Lincoln would have condemned Apple for slave labor. Buy Lenovo!
 
2013-01-10 01:19:04 PM  
James!:

Or a great mound of shiat for their posts to get buried in and ignored.

not when you sock puppet.  which happens quite a lot.  I'm sure you've seen the screen caps and photoshops?
 
2013-01-10 01:19:44 PM  

James!: I'll try to address this, but there is a lot so I apologize if I miss something.  I've been around the politics tab for 6 years, I used to post under the username Barbigazi but about 2 years ago I decided to switch logins.  We do have a handful of habitual trouble makers on the site on both sides, but what I don't think a lot of people realize (or like) is how much leash we give to everybody on the site.  There's no requirement that arguments be interesting or original or good all we ask is that people don't flame each other or derail threads.  And we have come to consider troll accusations to be both insults and derailments of threads.  How many threads have you seen where the topic falls aside so that people can complain about someone they are sure is a troll and "why are they still allowed to post they must be protected".  What I think is worse is when someone comes into a thread trying to discuss the topic only to be shouted down by people who have already written that person off as a troll. I've seen it, hell I've been responsible for it before I was a mod I got temporary bans a couple of times..

Bottom line though is that we as moderators assume that everyone is arguing in good faith, and if it's clear that they're just around to cause trouble (and it has to be crystal clear before we'll give someone the boot) then they'll find they aren't welcome here anymore.  But we aren't mind readers and half the fun of fark is people goofing off and poking at each other.  I've seen liberal farkers tear into liberal farkers accusing them of being a rightwing troll over a joke. And I've seen people who everyone assumes is just a troll have completely normal discussions in other tabs.  And I've seen people who think they're helping by trolling the shiat out of people (which does not help).

I've seen so many weird conspiracy theories over the years about how the staff must be being paid off by one side or another that it's just silly to me at this point.  I don't take it s ...


As a member of a mod team for a sizable offline Farker discussion group, I completely sympathize.
 
2013-01-10 01:19:58 PM  

I_C_Weener: James!: HAHAHAAH green? Oh fark.

The paid shill proponents have gotten to the Admins! Why is Fark hiding this? It must be true or Fark would not have silenced opinion and buried the thread!

That said, there are plenty of businesses who get hired to pump up products on the Internet. This is the same. I'm sure that there are people paid to promote stuff on Pinterest, Facebook and other places.

But James! Is right. People on the pol tab here just want to fight. They do it for free or pay to do it.

But I do really think that Coke Zero is superior to that socialist Diet Pepsi crap!!!! And I think Lincoln would have condemned Apple for slave labor. Buy Lenovo!


Shut up, Weener you shill.

//This post sponsored by the Rand Corportation
///The Rand Corporation: What exactly do we do here?
 
2013-01-10 01:21:10 PM  

make me some tea: ...As a member of a mod team for a sizable offline Farker discussion group, I completely sympathize.


you talk about me a lot, don't you?  it's ALL about me!

[preens for the camera]
 
2013-01-10 01:22:18 PM  

James!: Almost daily people say we're paid by WND/KOS/Daily Mail/Entertainment Weekly to green links. And I said side not trolls, taking a side doesn't make someone a troll.


Nobody in this thread is saying that. People are saying that there are some organizations that probably pay people to make posts on the internet. You're dismissing it as either a "conspiracy theory" or as a way of classifying everyone who has a different opinion.
 
2013-01-10 01:22:20 PM  

Weaver95: hmm...I wonder if they're still hiring...


I think you'd be under suspicion having switched your political affiliations so drastically. Only cold cash can be behind your conversion!
 
2013-01-10 01:23:28 PM  

I_C_Weener: Weaver95: hmm...I wonder if they're still hiring...

I think you'd be under suspicion having switched your political affiliations so drastically. Only cold cash can be behind your conversion!


oh I wouldn't use my standard fark login for something like that.  mind you, my writing style might give me away though.
 
2013-01-10 01:24:58 PM  

Weaver95: James!:

Or a great mound of shiat for their posts to get buried in and ignored.

not when you sock puppet.  which happens quite a lot.  I'm sure you've seen the screen caps and photoshops?


Can I level with you Weaver?  A little behind the scenes for you?

It doesn't happen a lot.  I have seen it in my entire career maybe twice and only one of those was doing it in politics.  And neither of them are doing it anymore.
 
2013-01-10 01:25:10 PM  

James!: ///The Rand Corporation: What exactly do we do here?


They do ...RANDom acts of violence?
 
2013-01-10 01:25:30 PM  

Weaver95: you talk about me a lot, don't you?  it's ALL about me!


Of course! We have a daily "What's Weaver95 talking about on Fark today?" thread.
not really but maybe we could
 
2013-01-10 01:25:52 PM  

sweetmelissa31: Nobody in this thread is saying that. People are saying that there are some organizations that probably pay people to make posts on the internet. You're dismissing it as either a "conspiracy theory" or as a way of classifying everyone who has a different opinion.


Actually I can think of one poster in particular who was proven almost beyond shadow of a doubt to be a Heritage Foundation paid shill.
 
2013-01-10 01:26:16 PM  

sweetmelissa31: James!: Almost daily people say we're paid by WND/KOS/Daily Mail/Entertainment Weekly to green links. And I said side not trolls, taking a side doesn't make someone a troll.

Nobody in this thread is saying that. People are saying that there are some organizations that probably pay people to make posts on the internet. You're dismissing it as either a "conspiracy theory" or as a way of classifying everyone who has a different opinion.


I have dismissed it.  It is dismissed.

Then I went on to describe yet another conspiracy theory I see a lot.
 
2013-01-10 01:26:54 PM  

sweetmelissa31: James!: Almost daily people say we're paid by WND/KOS/Daily Mail/Entertainment Weekly to green links. And I said side not trolls, taking a side doesn't make someone a troll.

Nobody in this thread is saying that. People are saying that there are some organizations that probably pay people to make posts on the internet. You're dismissing it as either a "conspiracy theory" or as a way of classifying everyone who has a different opinion.


For what it's worth, I see your argument and I agree that there are probably campaigns who make sure their social media people spend time on the more highly trafficked forums and we definitely can't guarantee that they never use Fark. I think what gets irksome is the implication that we're in on it, or that Fark aids and abets that.

We have to assume all posters are arguing in good faith and we can't try to guess at a user's intentions for the most part. That would get really subjective really  fast.
 
2013-01-10 01:27:59 PM  
Why would anyone choose to mod or admin a site like this for free? And why would should anyone believe this person when they are clearly trying to dismiss anything this article is implying? This shiat happens everyday and it will be probably be worse next year.
 
2013-01-10 01:28:22 PM  

James!: Weaver95: James!:

Or a great mound of shiat for their posts to get buried in and ignored.

not when you sock puppet.  which happens quite a lot.  I'm sure you've seen the screen caps and photoshops?

Can I level with you Weaver?  A little behind the scenes for you?

It doesn't happen a lot.  I have seen it in my entire career maybe twice and only one of those was doing it in politics.  And neither of them are doing it anymore.


Oh I think it goes on quite a bit.  its just that the people doing it have gotten better with their technique.  they know the mods and admins have better things to do than track down nearly impossible to prove rumors of playing sock puppet on the politics tab (or elsewhere, although why you'd sock puppet the entertainment tab is beyond me).  unless someone is blatantly stupid, they're going to get away with it.
 
2013-01-10 01:29:23 PM  

Jackson Herring: sweetmelissa31: Nobody in this thread is saying that. People are saying that there are some organizations that probably pay people to make posts on the internet. You're dismissing it as either a "conspiracy theory" or as a way of classifying everyone who has a different opinion.

Actually I can think of one poster in particular who was proven almost beyond shadow of a doubt to be a Heritage Foundation paid shill.


I know of one whom I have Farky'd "DC Lobbyist". He doesn't hide this fact, though. His Fark name is actually his real name, and he has a website also in his name. He only comments in here on the weeks leading up to an election, and calmly pushes hard right conservative talking points.
 
2013-01-10 01:29:45 PM  

Jackson Herring: Actually I can think of one poster in particular who was proven almost beyond shadow of a doubt to be a Heritage Foundation paid shill.


I find that people that want attention (negative or otherwise)  encourage such talk.  It makes them feel important.

- This post was sponsored by the Westboro Baptist Church and Huggies brand diapers.  Huggies, let Jr. know you care with our new Lil' Stinker toddler underwear.
 
2013-01-10 01:29:53 PM  

Genevieve Marie: We have to assume all posters are arguing in good faith and we can't try to guess at a user's intentions for the most part. That would get really subjective really fast.


I really don't care whether Mods block the trolls or not, since I generally ignore them anyway, and I understand why you'd have to assume that people are arguing in good faith. I just think it is ridiculous that James is like vehemently denying that anyone has ever been paid to post comments online. Is it some kind of defense mechanism as a Moderator?
 
2013-01-10 01:30:47 PM  

CynicalLA: This shiat happens everyday and it will be probably be worse next year.


seriously. next year when most of the provisions of the overwhelmingly unpopular obamacare legislation become active, this kind of thing, along with most every other aspect of life, will surely get worse. can we please get back to talking about how bad obamacare is, i feel like this thread has deviated too far away from that topic.
 
2013-01-10 01:31:15 PM  

make me some tea: Weaver95: you talk about me a lot, don't you?  it's ALL about me!

Of course! We have a daily "What's Weaver95 talking about on Fark today?" thread.
not really but maybe we could


awesome!  thanks man!
 
2013-01-10 01:32:37 PM  
What is "sock puppet"?
 
2013-01-10 01:32:47 PM  

Weaver95: James!: Weaver95: James!:

Or a great mound of shiat for their posts to get buried in and ignored.

not when you sock puppet.  which happens quite a lot.  I'm sure you've seen the screen caps and photoshops?

Can I level with you Weaver?  A little behind the scenes for you?

It doesn't happen a lot.  I have seen it in my entire career maybe twice and only one of those was doing it in politics.  And neither of them are doing it anymore.

Oh I think it goes on quite a bit.  its just that the people doing it have gotten better with their technique.  they know the mods and admins have better things to do than track down nearly impossible to prove rumors of playing sock puppet on the politics tab (or elsewhere, although why you'd sock puppet the entertainment tab is beyond me).  unless someone is blatantly stupid, they're going to get away with it.


Weaver, weaver... Can I level with you weave?  Imagine how bored I am that not only do I post here all day, but I've also accepted a job moderating it.  Imagine how much attention I can give to tracking down several years of posts.
 
2013-01-10 01:33:38 PM  

what_now: What is "sock puppet"?


It is a little bit like a poop sock.
 
2013-01-10 01:33:50 PM  
I'm doing something wrong. You're telling me people pay you to troll on the internet?

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2013-01-10 01:33:59 PM  

James!: I_C_Weener: James!: HAHAHAAH green? Oh fark.

The paid shill proponents have gotten to the Admins! Why is Fark hiding this? It must be true or Fark would not have silenced opinion and buried the thread!

That said, there are plenty of businesses who get hired to pump up products on the Internet. This is the same. I'm sure that there are people paid to promote stuff on Pinterest, Facebook and other places.

But James! Is right. People on the pol tab here just want to fight. They do it for free or pay to do it.

But I do really think that Coke Zero is superior to that socialist Diet Pepsi crap!!!! And I think Lincoln would have condemned Apple for slave labor. Buy Lenovo!

Shut up, Weener you shill.

//This post sponsored by the Rand Corportation
///The Rand Corporation: What exactly do we do here?


Omni Consumer Products frowns on your post.
 
2013-01-10 01:34:05 PM  

thomps: CynicalLA: This shiat happens everyday and it will be probably be worse next year.

seriously. next year when most of the provisions of the overwhelmingly unpopular obamacare legislation become active, this kind of thing, along with most every other aspect of life, will surely get worse. can we please get back to talking about how bad obamacare is, i feel like this thread has deviated too far away from that topic.


nah, obamacare is only unpopular with GOP shills.  everyone else is ok with it.  which doesn't invalidate your main point that once ACA legislation goes live we're going to see a LOT of paid shills show up and act like whiny biatches about health care reform.
 
2013-01-10 01:34:48 PM  

James!: Imagine how much attention I can give to tracking down several years of posts.


My first few weeks moderating I spent probably 30 hours looking up suspected alts. Popular perception was wrong about every single one of them.

Yes people, we really are that bored.
 
2013-01-10 01:36:00 PM  

Genevieve Marie: My first few weeks moderating I spent probably 30 hours looking up suspected alts. Popular perception was wrong about every single one of them.


And what about the one I mentioned earlier, who will not be named but had four or five Fark usernames of the same theme that I can remember off the top of my head?
 
2013-01-10 01:36:08 PM  

what_now: What is "sock puppet"?


account A makes wild ass claim.  then account A logs into account B and has Account B support Account A's lame ass comments.  Account A then says 'see, I other people agree with me!'

congratulations, you've now sock puppeted your thread comments.
 
2013-01-10 01:36:09 PM  

what_now: What is "sock puppet"?


Based on context, I'm assuming it means a fake account created for the express purpose of propagandizing in discussion threads.
 
2013-01-10 01:36:49 PM  

Genevieve Marie: James!: Imagine how much attention I can give to tracking down several years of posts.

My first few weeks moderating I spent probably 30 hours looking up suspected alts. Popular perception was wrong about every single one of them.

Yes people, we really are that bored.


or drunk.
 
2013-01-10 01:37:03 PM  

Weaver95: account A makes wild ass claim.  then account A logs into account B and has Account B support Account A's lame ass comments.  Account A then says 'see, I other people agree with me!'


It works the other way, too. Account B could quote Account A's comment in order to get around the ignore filter, and say "look how dumb this guy is! ha! ha!"
 
2013-01-10 01:37:41 PM  

what_now: What is "sock puppet"?


Do I really have to explain it to you AGAIN? Stupid lib.
 
2013-01-10 01:37:59 PM  

Jackson Herring: Weaver95: account A makes wild ass claim.  then account A logs into account B and has Account B support Account A's lame ass comments.  Account A then says 'see, I other people agree with me!'

It works the other way, too. Account B could quote Account A's comment in order to get around the ignore filter, and say "look how dumb this guy is! ha! ha!"


well yeah, there's a couple of variations on the subject.
 
2013-01-10 01:38:28 PM  

Weaver95: I_C_Weener: Weaver95: hmm...I wonder if they're still hiring...

I think you'd be under suspicion having switched your political affiliations so drastically. Only cold cash can be behind your conversion!

oh I wouldn't use my standard fark login for something like that.  mind you, my writing style might give me away though.


Just use all lower case and italics.  It will hide your over the top antics.  No one will ever know.
 
2013-01-10 01:38:29 PM  
If it could be conclusively proven that there are no paid political shills here, i would be stunned.
Given the nature of the internet and this site, a shill could afford to be more subtle in the steering of conversations. Just throw a breadcrumb out, and watch the trolls jump all over themselves trying to out derp each other.
So the shills, assuming their existence, probably fly below most peoples' radar.
 
2013-01-10 01:38:39 PM  

Jackson Herring: Genevieve Marie: My first few weeks moderating I spent probably 30 hours looking up suspected alts. Popular perception was wrong about every single one of them.

And what about the one I mentioned earlier, who will not be named but had four or five Fark usernames of the same theme that I can remember off the top of my head?


I think you've been around Fark long enough to know good and well that mods don't give out any personal information about any user and that asking us to do it is kind of a jerk thing to do. Don't do that. Please?
 
2013-01-10 01:39:35 PM  

Genevieve Marie: I think you've been around Fark long enough to know good and well that mods don't give out any personal information about any user and that asking us to do it is kind of a jerk thing to do. Don't do that. Please?


It was a rhetorical question.
 
2013-01-10 01:39:53 PM  

CynicalLA: Why would anyone choose to mod or admin a site like this for free? And why would should anyone believe this person when they are clearly trying to dismiss anything this article is implying? This shiat happens everyday and it will be probably be worse next year.


Do you believe in UFOs, astral projections, mental telepathy, ESP, clairvoyance, spirit photography, telekinetic movement, full trance mediums, the Loch Ness monster and the theory of Atlantis?
 
2013-01-10 01:40:39 PM  

Weaver95: what_now: What is "sock puppet"?

account A makes wild ass claim.  then account A logs into account B and has Account B support Account A's lame ass comments.  Account A then says 'see, I other people agree with me!'

congratulations, you've now sock puppeted your thread comments.


Like I said, I've seen that twice.
 
2013-01-10 01:40:49 PM  

I_C_Weener: Weaver95: hmm...I wonder if they're still hiring...

I think you'd be under suspicion having switched your political affiliations so drastically. Only cold cash can be behind your conversion!


Nah, we all watched him gradually figure it out.
 
2013-01-10 01:40:50 PM  

Weaver95: make me some tea: ...As a member of a mod team for a sizable offline Farker discussion group, I completely sympathize.

you talk about me a lot, don't you?  it's ALL about me!

[preens for the camera]


I knew it! You're really Rush Limbaugh, aren't you?
 
2013-01-10 01:41:10 PM  

James!: Weaver95: what_now: What is "sock puppet"?

account A makes wild ass claim.  then account A logs into account B and has Account B support Account A's lame ass comments.  Account A then says 'see, I other people agree with me!'

congratulations, you've now sock puppeted your thread comments.

Like I said, I've seen that twice.


which doesn't mean you missed a few.
 
2013-01-10 01:41:25 PM  

what_now: what_now: What is "sock puppet"?

Do I really have to explain it to you AGAIN? Stupid lib.


Well played.
 
2013-01-10 01:41:57 PM  

CheetahOlivetti: Weaver95: make me some tea: ...As a member of a mod team for a sizable offline Farker discussion group, I completely sympathize.

you talk about me a lot, don't you?  it's ALL about me!

[preens for the camera]

I knew it! You're really Rush Limbaugh, aren't you?


I have the perfect face for radio so...yeah, maybe.
 
2013-01-10 01:42:04 PM  

Genevieve Marie: sweetmelissa31: James!: Almost daily people say we're paid by WND/KOS/Daily Mail/Entertainment Weekly to green links. And I said side not trolls, taking a side doesn't make someone a troll.

Nobody in this thread is saying that. People are saying that there are some organizations that probably pay people to make posts on the internet. You're dismissing it as either a "conspiracy theory" or as a way of classifying everyone who has a different opinion.

For what it's worth, I see your argument and I agree that there are probably campaigns who make sure their social media people spend time on the more highly trafficked forums and we definitely can't guarantee that they never use Fark. I think what gets irksome is the implication that we're in on it, or that Fark aids and abets that.

We have to assume all posters are arguing in good faith and we can't try to guess at a user's intentions for the most part. That would get really subjective really  fast.


Good faith?  No ma'am.  Most of these posters are athiests.
 
2013-01-10 01:42:15 PM  
All I can say is having read a few politics threads in my day, if someone IS paying those chuckleheads to post the same hardline gibberjabber over and over and over again, they ain't getting there monies worth.
 
2013-01-10 01:43:31 PM  
and here i am doing this for free.
 
2013-01-10 01:43:35 PM  

Weaver95: thomps: CynicalLA: This shiat happens everyday and it will be probably be worse next year.

seriously. next year when most of the provisions of the overwhelmingly unpopular obamacare legislation become active, this kind of thing, along with most every other aspect of life, will surely get worse. can we please get back to talking about how bad obamacare is, i feel like this thread has deviated too far away from that topic.

nah, obamacare is only unpopular with GOP shills.  everyone else is ok with it.  which doesn't invalidate your main point that once ACA legislation goes live we're going to see a LOT of paid shills show up and act like whiny biatches about health care reform.


the data is there: obamacare is the least popular piece of legislation since kennedy demanded a first run at all new brides. tell your friends.
 
2013-01-10 01:43:58 PM  

brap: All I can say is having read a few politics threads in my day, if someone IS paying those chuckleheads to post the same hardline gibberjabber over and over and over again, they ain't getting there monies worth.


I don't know what scares me more - the possibility that there is an organized effort to disrupt online discussions with paid shills or that the idiots we see in the politics thread really, honestly and truly believe in the slobbering nonsense they post on a daily basis.
 
2013-01-10 01:44:03 PM  

Weaver95: CheetahOlivetti: Weaver95: make me some tea: ...As a member of a mod team for a sizable offline Farker discussion group, I completely sympathize.

you talk about me a lot, don't you?  it's ALL about me!

[preens for the camera]

I knew it! You're really Rush Limbaugh, aren't you?

I have the perfect face for radio so...yeah, maybe.


You do better with the ladies than the ladyboys though if I remember correctly.
 
2013-01-10 01:44:38 PM  

Weaver95: James!: Weaver95: what_now: What is "sock puppet"?

account A makes wild ass claim.  then account A logs into account B and has Account B support Account A's lame ass comments.  Account A then says 'see, I other people agree with me!'

congratulations, you've now sock puppeted your thread comments.

Like I said, I've seen that twice.

which doesn't mean you missed a few.


Let me just say that A) I am not the only one looking and B) when you make a comment I see a considerable amount more information on you name bar than the average bear.
 
2013-01-10 01:44:53 PM  

SilentStrider: If it could be conclusively proven that there are no paid political shills here, i would be stunned.
Given the nature of the internet and this site, a shill could afford to be more subtle in the steering of conversations. Just throw a breadcrumb out, and watch the trolls jump all over themselves trying to out derp each other.
So the shills, assuming their existence, probably fly below most peoples' radar.


But here's the thing: If a paid shill got me to change my mind, good! Great! If you can get me to change my opinion, it doesn't matter if you're paid or volunteer.

I don't see much difference between some guy knocking on my door and convincing me to vote for X candidate, and someone convincing me to vote for X on the internet.
 
2013-01-10 01:44:56 PM  

I_C_Weener: Good faith? No ma'am. Most of these posters are athiests.


Hell, I'm a conservative nihilist.
 
2013-01-10 01:45:22 PM  

Weaver95: or drunk.


But the alcohol makes your comments twice as intelligent and ten times as right as normal.  I highly recommend everyone try it.
 
2013-01-10 01:45:31 PM  
It's hilarious how many of you actually believe this.
 
2013-01-10 01:46:01 PM  

James!: Let me just say that A) I am not the only one looking and B) when you make a comment I see a considerable amount more information on you name bar than the average bear.


Does this sweater make me look fat?
 
2013-01-10 01:46:01 PM  

James!: Let me just say that A) I am not the only one looking and B) when you make a comment I see a considerable amount more information on you name bar than the average bear.


CAN YOU SEE MY FARKYS PLEASE SAY NO
 
2013-01-10 01:46:13 PM  

brap: All I can say is having read a few politics threads in my day, if someone IS paying those chuckleheads to post the same hardline gibberjabber over and over and over again, they ain't getting there monies worth.


I always used to think that it's more likely that there's some liberal group paying the ridiculous right-wing people most commonly called trolls in order to make the moderate liberals say, like, "Wow, people think that? Let me expand on why they are wrong" which makes that person feel more strongly about The Issues, but that wouldn't explain Freepers.
 
2013-01-10 01:46:43 PM  

I_C_Weener: Weaver95: CheetahOlivetti: Weaver95: make me some tea: ...As a member of a mod team for a sizable offline Farker discussion group, I completely sympathize.

you talk about me a lot, don't you?  it's ALL about me!

[preens for the camera]

I knew it! You're really Rush Limbaugh, aren't you?

I have the perfect face for radio so...yeah, maybe.

You do better with the ladies than the ladyboys though if I remember correctly.


that's right, you were there at that fark party!  I was disturbingly sober for most of that.  to be honest tho, my level of death threats has slacked off over the past couple years so I probably shouldn't be as much of a hermit as I am.  I'm still hoping to get a fatwah declared against me though.
 
2013-01-10 01:47:52 PM  

what_now: SilentStrider: If it could be conclusively proven that there are no paid political shills here, i would be stunned.
Given the nature of the internet and this site, a shill could afford to be more subtle in the steering of conversations. Just throw a breadcrumb out, and watch the trolls jump all over themselves trying to out derp each other.
So the shills, assuming their existence, probably fly below most peoples' radar.

But here's the thing: If a paid shill got me to change my mind, good! Great! If you can get me to change my opinion, it doesn't matter if you're paid or volunteer.

I don't see much difference between some guy knocking on my door and convincing me to vote for X candidate, and someone convincing me to vote for X on the internet.


Not everyone thinks the same way though. What might not make a difference to you might make a difference to somone else.
 
2013-01-10 01:47:56 PM  

James!: Let me just say that A) I am not the only one looking and B) when you make a comment I see a considerable amount more information on you name bar than the average bear.


*shifty eyes*
 
2013-01-10 01:48:12 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: It's hilarious how many of you actually believe this.


Believe what?  Tell me what I believe.

I believe the children are our future.

- This post was brought to you by the Whitney Houston Appreciation Society.  At WHAS, we will ALWAYS love you.
 
2013-01-10 01:48:31 PM  

mahuika: brap: All I can say is having read a few politics threads in my day, if someone IS paying those chuckleheads to post the same hardline gibberjabber over and over and over again, they ain't getting there monies worth.

I always used to think that it's more likely that there's some liberal group paying the ridiculous right-wing people most commonly called trolls in order to make the moderate liberals say, like, "Wow, people think that? Let me expand on why they are wrong" which makes that person feel more strongly about The Issues, but that wouldn't explain Freepers.


nothing can explain the freepers.  except maybe a severe meth habit and/or several antisocial personality disorders.
 
2013-01-10 01:48:41 PM  

Weaver95: brap: All I can say is having read a few politics threads in my day, if someone IS paying those chuckleheads to post the same hardline gibberjabber over and over and over again, they ain't getting there monies worth.

I don't know what scares me more - the possibility that there is an organized effort to disrupt online discussions with paid shills or that the idiots we see in the politics thread really, honestly and truly believe in the slobbering nonsense they post on a daily basis.


True believers far outnumber any paid attempts, if any, to steer Fark conversation.  Most of the people waste time on here and feel safe stating in text in limited fashion over simplified charicatures of their rather complex political or other beliefs.  Just because someone gets adamant about a position and sticks to it doesn't mean they were paid to do so.

Just look at the fact that Jersey Shore had more seasons than Firefly.  You can't assign logic and conspiracies to it.  It just is.
 
2013-01-10 01:48:53 PM  

I_C_Weener: CynicalLA: Why would anyone choose to mod or admin a site like this for free? And why would should anyone believe this person when they are clearly trying to dismiss anything this article is implying? This shiat happens everyday and it will be probably be worse next year.

Do you believe in UFOs, astral projections, mental telepathy, ESP, clairvoyance, spirit photography, telekinetic movement, full trance mediums, the Loch Ness monster and the theory of Atlantis?


No, and those are ridiculous comparisons and you know it. Corporations and politicians using the anonymity of the internet to promote their ideas is not a conspiracy.
 
2013-01-10 01:49:37 PM  

mahuika: brap: All I can say is having read a few politics threads in my day, if someone IS paying those chuckleheads to post the same hardline gibberjabber over and over and over again, they ain't getting there monies worth.

I always used to think that it's more likely that there's some liberal group paying the ridiculous right-wing people most commonly called trolls in order to make the moderate liberals say, like, "Wow, people think that? Let me expand on why they are wrong" which makes that person feel more strongly about The Issues, but that wouldn't explain Freepers.


Oh, I'm sure that's at least part of what's being done. This rings a bell, actually. Can't remember why exactly. Hm.
 
2013-01-10 01:49:49 PM  

what_now: James!: Let me just say that A) I am not the only one looking and B) when you make a comment I see a considerable amount more information on you name bar than the average bear.

Does this sweater make me look fat?


It's not the most flattering... but your hair looks nice.
 
2013-01-10 01:49:58 PM  

Weaver95: I_C_Weener: Weaver95: CheetahOlivetti: Weaver95: make me some tea: ...As a member of a mod team for a sizable offline Farker discussion group, I completely sympathize.

you talk about me a lot, don't you?  it's ALL about me!

[preens for the camera]

I knew it! You're really Rush Limbaugh, aren't you?

I have the perfect face for radio so...yeah, maybe.

You do better with the ladies than the ladyboys though if I remember correctly.

that's right, you were there at that fark party!  I was disturbingly sober for most of that.  to be honest tho, my level of death threats has slacked off over the past couple years so I probably shouldn't be as much of a hermit as I am.  I'm still hoping to get a fatwah declared against me though.


Have you considered hijacking another dragon? That might help your cause...
 
2013-01-10 01:50:00 PM  

James!:
Let me just say that A) I am not the only one looking and B) when you make a comment I see a considerable amount more information on you name bar than the average bear.

so you can see me naked?



archive.heinessen.com
 
2013-01-10 01:50:08 PM  

Dinjiin: Weaver95: or drunk.

But the alcohol makes your comments twice as intelligent and ten times as right as normal.  I highly recommend everyone try it.


There is no drinking limit on the internet.  Just don't post and drive.
 
2013-01-10 01:50:31 PM  

what_now: James!: Let me just say that A) I am not the only one looking and B) when you make a comment I see a considerable amount more information on you name bar than the average bear.

Does this sweater make me look fat?


The color really brightens up your eyes, but I like a V-neck on you better.
 
2013-01-10 01:50:55 PM  

CynicalLA: I_C_Weener: CynicalLA: Why would anyone choose to mod or admin a site like this for free? And why would should anyone believe this person when they are clearly trying to dismiss anything this article is implying? This shiat happens everyday and it will be probably be worse next year.

Do you believe in UFOs, astral projections, mental telepathy, ESP, clairvoyance, spirit photography, telekinetic movement, full trance mediums, the Loch Ness monster and the theory of Atlantis?

No, and those are ridiculous comparisons and you know it. Corporations and politicians using the anonymity of the internet to promote their ideas is not a conspiracy.


didn't chic fil a get busted really publicly for making fake facebook accounts to guide the dialog about their anti-gay sh*tstorm?
 
2013-01-10 01:50:57 PM  

James!: what_now: James!: Let me just say that A) I am not the only one looking and B) when you make a comment I see a considerable amount more information on you name bar than the average bear.

Does this sweater make me look fat?

It's not the most flattering... but your hair looks nice.


thanks! I had it cut last week.
 
2013-01-10 01:51:19 PM  

Weaver95: mahuika: brap: All I can say is having read a few politics threads in my day, if someone IS paying those chuckleheads to post the same hardline gibberjabber over and over and over again, they ain't getting there monies worth.

I always used to think that it's more likely that there's some liberal group paying the ridiculous right-wing people most commonly called trolls in order to make the moderate liberals say, like, "Wow, people think that? Let me expand on why they are wrong" which makes that person feel more strongly about The Issues, but that wouldn't explain Freepers.

nothing can explain the freepers.  except maybe a severe meth habit and/or several antisocial personality disorders.


I would argue that FreeRepublic is, indeed, not the derpiest place on the internet. I've been to the depths of TeaPartyNation.com. I have stared Derp in the face, AND IT STARED BACK AT ME
 
2013-01-10 01:51:30 PM  

make me some tea: James!: Let me just say that A) I am not the only one looking and B) when you make a comment I see a considerable amount more information on you name bar than the average bear.

*shifty eyes*


In some cases, the Mods can see into your soul.  Google sends me a print out of every GIS you've ever done in exchange for me saying Google online several times a day.  I ain't judging but what is "geometry porn"?
 
2013-01-10 01:51:35 PM  

Starryeyes: The color really brightens up your eyes, but I like a V-neck on you better.


Then you wouldn't look at my eyes :(
 
2013-01-10 01:52:02 PM  

CynicalLA: I_C_Weener: CynicalLA: Why would anyone choose to mod or admin a site like this for free? And why would should anyone believe this person when they are clearly trying to dismiss anything this article is implying? This shiat happens everyday and it will be probably be worse next year.

Do you believe in UFOs, astral projections, mental telepathy, ESP, clairvoyance, spirit photography, telekinetic movement, full trance mediums, the Loch Ness monster and the theory of Atlantis?

No, and those are ridiculous comparisons and you know it. Corporations and politicians using the anonymity of the internet to promote their ideas is not a conspiracy.


In the words of Winston Zeddemore, "I'll believe anything if there is a steady paycheck in it."
 
2013-01-10 01:52:22 PM  

I_C_Weener: I ain't judging but what is "geometry porn"?


Flatland fan fiction.
 
2013-01-10 01:52:39 PM  

what_now: Starryeyes: The color really brightens up your eyes, but I like a V-neck on you better.

Then you wouldn't look at my eyes :(


ladies, please
 
2013-01-10 01:52:44 PM  
make me some tea:
I would argue that FreeRepublic is, indeed, not the derpiest place on the internet. I've been to the depths of TeaPartyNation.com. I have stared Derp in the face, AND IT STARED BACK AT ME

you are braver than I am - I draw the line at freeperville and the occasional visit to the #tcot twitter feed.  rarely i'll venture into stormfront.org but that's about as far as I go.
 
2013-01-10 01:53:18 PM  

I_C_Weener: I ain't judging but what is "geometry porn"?


It's all about the fapazoids.
 
2013-01-10 01:54:00 PM  

Weaver95: I_C_Weener: Weaver95: CheetahOlivetti: Weaver95: make me some tea: ...As a member of a mod team for a sizable offline Farker discussion group, I completely sympathize.

you talk about me a lot, don't you?  it's ALL about me!

[preens for the camera]

I knew it! You're really Rush Limbaugh, aren't you?

I have the perfect face for radio so...yeah, maybe.

You do better with the ladies than the ladyboys though if I remember correctly.

that's right, you were there at that fark party!  I was disturbingly sober for most of that.  to be honest tho, my level of death threats has slacked off over the past couple years so I probably shouldn't be as much of a hermit as I am.  I'm still hoping to get a fatwah declared against me though.


And here we see the fly in the ointment, the problem with the conspiracy theory.... who would put up with death threats and hate mail just to post something they don't believe on the internet?  Besides soulless lawyers and ad men?
 
2013-01-10 01:54:04 PM  

thomps: CynicalLA: I_C_Weener: CynicalLA: Why would anyone choose to mod or admin a site like this for free? And why would should anyone believe this person when they are clearly trying to dismiss anything this article is implying? This shiat happens everyday and it will be probably be worse next year.

Do you believe in UFOs, astral projections, mental telepathy, ESP, clairvoyance, spirit photography, telekinetic movement, full trance mediums, the Loch Ness monster and the theory of Atlantis?

No, and those are ridiculous comparisons and you know it. Corporations and politicians using the anonymity of the internet to promote their ideas is not a conspiracy.

didn't chic fil a get busted really publicly for making fake facebook accounts to guide the dialog about their anti-gay sh*tstorm?


Link
 
2013-01-10 01:54:43 PM  

Jackson Herring: what_now: Starryeyes: The color really brightens up your eyes, but I like a V-neck on you better.

Then you wouldn't look at my eyes :(

ladies, please


She has very lovely... eyes.
 
2013-01-10 01:55:22 PM  
I_C_Weener:
In some cases, the Mods can see into your soul.  Google sends me a print out of every GIS you've ever done in exchange for me saying Google online several times a day.  I ain't judging but what is "geometry porn"?

fac-web.spsu.edu
 
2013-01-10 01:55:56 PM  

James!: I have dismissed it.


Genevieve Marie: We have to assume all posters are arguing in good faith and we can't try to guess at a user's intentions for the most part.


While I agree with both of you that one has to assume that a poster is acting in good faith, your boss is on the record, a few years ago, saying he was convinced there were paid shils on Fark.
 
2013-01-10 01:55:59 PM  
*cough* I'm sorry. Yes, internet shills. Seems like an agonizing amount of effort.
 
2013-01-10 01:56:44 PM  

I_C_Weener: I ain't judging but what is "geometry porn"?


You've never seen Truncated Icosahedrons:  Wallered Out at 138.18 degrees?
 
2013-01-10 01:57:32 PM  

Weaver95: make me some tea:
I would argue that FreeRepublic is, indeed, not the derpiest place on the internet. I've been to the depths of TeaPartyNation.com. I have stared Derp in the face, AND IT STARED BACK AT ME

you are braver than I am - I draw the line at freeperville and the occasional visit to the #tcot twitter feed.  rarely i'll venture into stormfront.org but that's about as far as I go.


It was fun when the intrepid Judson Phillips himself called me out as a troll, after I posted a lengthy refutation to the hilariously moronic "forensic analysis" of the scanned PDF of Obama's original birth certificate.
 
2013-01-10 01:57:43 PM  

Flab: James!: I have dismissed it.

Genevieve Marie: We have to assume all posters are arguing in good faith and we can't try to guess at a user's intentions for the most part.

While I agree with both of you that one has to assume that a poster is acting in good faith, your boss is on the record, a few years ago, saying he was convinced there were paid shils on Fark.


Who are you going to believe:  an alcoholic or your own eyes?
 
2013-01-10 01:57:47 PM  
So now there are 4 mods in here denying it
 
2013-01-10 01:57:54 PM  

brap: I'm holding out for the Five-Headed Hydra of Zionist Media, the Gay Mafia, the NRA, and the Illuminati to get into a bidding war over my opinions.

KA-CHING!


I can pay you in unpaid bar tabs. Or unpaid parking tickets.

/not Jewish but might know someone who can give you a loan
 
2013-01-10 01:58:58 PM  

hillbillypharmacist: I_C_Weener: I ain't judging but what is "geometry porn"?

You've never seen Truncated Icosahedrons:  Wallered Out at 138.18 degrees?


Tell you what, slip me a $5 and I'll show you geometry porn like you wouldn't believe.  I'll submit 10 threads a day about cones intersecting spheres.
 
2013-01-10 01:59:16 PM  

make me some tea: Weaver95: make me some tea:
I would argue that FreeRepublic is, indeed, not the derpiest place on the internet. I've been to the depths of TeaPartyNation.com. I have stared Derp in the face, AND IT STARED BACK AT ME

you are braver than I am - I draw the line at freeperville and the occasional visit to the #tcot twitter feed.  rarely i'll venture into stormfront.org but that's about as far as I go.

It was fun when the intrepid Judson Phillips himself called me out as a troll, after I posted a lengthy refutation to the hilariously moronic "forensic analysis" of the scanned PDF of Obama's original birth certificate.


hmm.  I might have to venture there and see for myself some day.  I will say that most of the more insane right wing sites seem to be moderated with an extremely heavy hand.  that's just my experience though.  you step outta line on freeperville (for example) and you get crushed almost immediately.
 
2013-01-10 01:59:35 PM  

Flab: James!: I have dismissed it.

Genevieve Marie: We have to assume all posters are arguing in good faith and we can't try to guess at a user's intentions for the most part.

While I agree with both of you that one has to assume that a poster is acting in good faith, your boss is on the record, a few years ago, saying he was convinced there were paid shils on Fark.


And I agree with him. I'm sure they pop up from time to time, because they pop up all over the internet. My point is that we can't look at them and know if they're arguing a certain way because they're a campaign social media intern or if they're arguing that way because it's truly how they feel... and it would get pretty messy if we started trying to moderate based on our perception of whether someone's sincere or not.
 
2013-01-10 02:01:22 PM  

sweetmelissa31: So now there are 4 mods in here denying it


Clearly you're through the looking glass.
 
2013-01-10 02:02:11 PM  

sweetmelissa31: So now there are 4 mods in here denying it


well, one is just sexually harassing me.
 
2013-01-10 02:02:13 PM  

sweetmelissa31: So now there are 4 mods in here denying it


So, you admit that it was part of your plan to lure all of us into this thread while your friend posts shill demotivators in another thread?  How soulless must you be to do this?  We are down the rabbit hole and through the whole damned Mad Hatter's tea party now.
 
2013-01-10 02:02:51 PM  

James!: sweetmelissa31: So now there are 4 mods in here denying it

Clearly you're through the looking glass.


I said that....two posts later.
 
2013-01-10 02:03:03 PM  

what_now: sweetmelissa31: So now there are 4 mods in here denying it

well, one is just sexually harassing me.


Business as usual, really.
 
2013-01-10 02:03:25 PM  

I_C_Weener: James!: sweetmelissa31: So now there are 4 mods in here denying it

Clearly you're through the looking glass.

I said that....two posts later.


Holy shiat... MOD ALTS!!
 
2013-01-10 02:03:29 PM  

what_now: sweetmelissa31: So now there are 4 mods in here denying it

well, one is just sexually harassing me.


well you are very sexually harassable.  is that even a word?  f*ck it. it is now.  in your FACE English language!
 
2013-01-10 02:03:31 PM  

I_C_Weener: James!: sweetmelissa31: So now there are 4 mods in here denying it

Clearly you're through the looking glass.

I said that....two posts later.


CAHOOTS!!
 
2013-01-10 02:03:35 PM  

what_now: sweetmelissa31: So now there are 4 mods in here denying it

well, one is just sexually harassing me.


I could white knight you.  But I have to warn you, I only put forth my best effort if paid up front.  I prefer Google Dollars.
 
2013-01-10 02:05:04 PM  

I_C_Weener: what_now: sweetmelissa31: So now there are 4 mods in here denying it

well, one is just sexually harassing me.

I could white knight you.  But I have to warn you, I only put forth my best effort if paid up front.  I prefer Google Dollars.


what, no bitcoins?  fail!
 
2013-01-10 02:05:53 PM  

Weaver95: make me some tea: Weaver95: make me some tea:
I would argue that FreeRepublic is, indeed, not the derpiest place on the internet. I've been to the depths of TeaPartyNation.com. I have stared Derp in the face, AND IT STARED BACK AT ME

you are braver than I am - I draw the line at freeperville and the occasional visit to the #tcot twitter feed.  rarely i'll venture into stormfront.org but that's about as far as I go.

It was fun when the intrepid Judson Phillips himself called me out as a troll, after I posted a lengthy refutation to the hilariously moronic "forensic analysis" of the scanned PDF of Obama's original birth certificate.

hmm.  I might have to venture there and see for myself some day.  I will say that most of the more insane right wing sites seem to be moderated with an extremely heavy hand.  that's just my experience though.  you step outta line on freeperville (for example) and you get crushed almost immediately.


So far I've managed to not catch a ban, nor have any of my comments been deleted. Mocked, yes. But I expect that much.
 
2013-01-10 02:06:20 PM  

I_C_Weener: So, you admit that it was part of your plan to lure all of us into this thread while your friend posts shill demotivators in another thread? How soulless must you be to do this? We are down the rabbit hole and through the whole damned Mad Hatter's tea party now.


What are you talking about? I will stop posting here, you don't even have to ban me.
 
2013-01-10 02:06:54 PM  

what_now: I_C_Weener: James!: sweetmelissa31: So now there are 4 mods in here denying it

Clearly you're through the looking glass.

I said that....two posts later.

Holy shiat... MOD ALTS!!


I am in no way, shape or form associated with that coward and liar Robert Ford...er...James!   In fact, if he said black, I'd say white.  If he said, day, I'd say night...then we'd break out in a Queen song.
 
2013-01-10 02:07:13 PM  

sweetmelissa31: So now there are 4 mods in here denying it


WHICH MUST MEAN IT'S A CONSPIRACY
 
2013-01-10 02:07:13 PM  

Weaver95: I_C_Weener: what_now: sweetmelissa31: So now there are 4 mods in here denying it

well, one is just sexually harassing me.

I could white knight you.  But I have to warn you, I only put forth my best effort if paid up front.  I prefer Google Dollars.

what, no bitcoins?  fail!


I'm not paid to promote bitcoins.
 
2013-01-10 02:07:51 PM  

Rev.K: I'm guessing they do exist on Fark. I can't think of anything else to explain the long list of known threadsh*tters who show up in every single thread about a particular topic.


The copyright threads always generate people who call you criminal if you even mention changing the laws away from their current state.  No one cares that much at least few do here.
 
2013-01-10 02:08:06 PM  

I_C_Weener: Weaver95: I_C_Weener: what_now: sweetmelissa31: So now there are 4 mods in here denying it

well, one is just sexually harassing me.

I could white knight you.  But I have to warn you, I only put forth my best effort if paid up front.  I prefer Google Dollars.

what, no bitcoins?  fail!

I'm not paid to promote bitcoins.


ah, good point.
 
2013-01-10 02:08:18 PM  

Genevieve Marie: Flab: James!: I have dismissed it.

Genevieve Marie: We have to assume all posters are arguing in good faith and we can't try to guess at a user's intentions for the most part.

While I agree with both of you that one has to assume that a poster is acting in good faith, your boss is on the record, a few years ago, saying he was convinced there were paid shils on Fark.

And I agree with him. I'm sure they pop up from time to time, because they pop up all over the internet. My point is that we can't look at them and know if they're arguing a certain way because they're a campaign social media intern or if they're arguing that way because it's truly how they feel... and it would get pretty messy if we started trying to moderate based on our perception of whether someone's sincere or not.


And again, I fully agree with that that it's the way it should be.  Even if someone admits to working for company X and liking the company's products, you can't simply assume he's being paid to do so.
 
2013-01-10 02:08:29 PM  

sweetmelissa31: I_C_Weener: So, you admit that it was part of your plan to lure all of us into this thread while your friend posts shill demotivators in another thread? How soulless must you be to do this? We are down the rabbit hole and through the whole damned Mad Hatter's tea party now.

What are you talking about? I will stop posting here, you don't even have to ban me.


I do not want you to stop posting.  I'm just sharing one of my conspiracy theories.  All the cops are at the donut shop so the jewelry store across town is being hammered with My Little Pony gifs!!!!
 
2013-01-10 02:08:34 PM  

Weaver95: I don't know what scares me more - the possibility that there is an organized effort to disrupt online discussions with paid shills or that the idiots we see in the politics thread really, honestly and truly believe in the slobbering nonsense they post on a daily basis.


I like to think that the blithering idiots tend to out themselves when they get overly emotional.  They start lobbing insults such as "libtards" or "repubtrolls" to where people just start to ignore their talking points.  There is the chance that they're counter argument sock puppets used to discredit one side of the argument, but you eventually get a feel for the sort of arguments and positions where they would need marketing to support.