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(ESPN)   Jerry Jones explains Dallas Cowboys' firing of Rob Ryan. No one able to explain Jets' retention of Rex Ryan   (espn.go.com) divider line 53
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2013-01-10 11:36:14 AM
Enough already.
 
2013-01-10 11:38:38 AM
I assume it had to do with Ryan not being some patsy who would meekly let Jerry fark stuff up.
 
2013-01-10 11:45:22 AM
Jones IS the Cowboys biggest problem. Until he relents control of the GM role this team is doomed for mediocrity. There is no reason for him to change a thing though as he sells that giant stadium for every game and Cowboys merchandise still sells big. His ego won't support losing though so maybe one day he'll eventually realize HE is the problem.
 
2013-01-10 11:46:58 AM
That's probably their worst coaching decision since waiting so long to fire wade Phillips.

Hey speaking of Wade, the Cowboys are in the market for a new DC...
 
2013-01-10 11:47:51 AM
"We've got to be able to go to Seattle and win that game there.

"We know they're formidable. We know Seattle had a good football team and I don't think we underestimated Seattle at all when we played them. But you're going to have to get to where we want to go and you have to go into Seattle and win games in Seattle."

Well, yeah, clearly Seattle is easy to beat at home. Just ask the Patriots. Or the Packers. Or the Vikings. Or the 49ers. You know, playoff teams that all lost in Seattle.
 
2013-01-10 11:48:09 AM
FTA - Jerry Jones: I am an old dickhead who thinks that I will have another Herschel Walker trade that will help me build the backbone of my superbowl teams . I am a less racist Al Davis. Al Davis liked young black athletic men who were dumb as rocks. *I* don't care if your black or not. I also have not hired a competent coach in 15 years because they scare me.
 
2013-01-10 11:48:37 AM

revman64: Jones IS the Cowboys biggest problem. Until he relents control of the GM role this team is doomed for mediocrity. There is no reason for him to change a thing though as he sells that giant stadium for every game and Cowboys merchandise still sells big. His ego won't support losing though so maybe one day he'll eventually realize HE is the problem.


Mostly THIS, however, Jerry will step down as GM only when they pry it from his cold, dead hands.
 
2013-01-10 11:49:30 AM
Well at least Ryan won't be throwing any more interceptions in clutch situations.
 
2013-01-10 11:49:54 AM

IAmRight: "We've got to be able to go to Seattle and win that game there.

"We know they're formidable. We know Seattle had a good football team and I don't think we underestimated Seattle at all when we played them. But you're going to have to get to where we want to go and you have to go into Seattle and win games in Seattle."

Well, yeah, clearly Seattle is easy to beat at home. Just ask the Patriots. Or the Packers. Or the Vikings. Or the 49ers. You know, playoff teams that all lost in Seattle.


BUT TAVARIS JACKSON.
 
2013-01-10 11:52:57 AM

lordjupiter: Well at least Ryan won't be throwing any more interceptions in clutch situations.


But who will replace the pick sizes?!
 
2013-01-10 11:57:06 AM

Jim from Saint Paul: lordjupiter: Well at least Ryan won't be throwing any more interceptions in clutch situations.

But who will replace the pick siXes?!


But whatever. I like Romo honestly.
 
2013-01-10 11:58:51 AM

Jim from Saint Paul: I am a less racist Al Davis.


Well, to be fair, not true.  He may have been whack in his old age, but Davis was well ahead of his time was in the hiring of minorities into prominent positions within the organization.

First owner to hire a Latino as head coach
Hired the first African-American head coach of the modern era
First owner to name a female CEO
etc...
 
2013-01-10 12:01:26 PM
Why was Rex retained in NY? Because he's chained to Buttfumble Sanchez for one more year. Mark Sanchez is untradeable with his contract, the cap hit for cutting him is too big, and there isn't a QB in the draft or free agency who can come in and displace him.

So 2013 is the year of reckoning for both Rex and Mark. 9 or 10 or 11 wins, with improved QB play, and they have bought themselves some time and contract extensions. Anything less than that, and they are both gone.
 
2013-01-10 12:10:38 PM

IAmRight: "We've got to be able to go to Seattle and win that game there.

"We know they're formidable. We know Seattle had a good football team and I don't think we underestimated Seattle at all when we played them. But you're going to have to get to where we want to go and you have to go into Seattle and win games in Seattle."

Well, yeah, clearly Seattle is easy to beat at home. Just ask the Patriots. Or the Packers. Or the Vikings. Or the 49ers. You know, playoff teams that all lost in Seattle.


Even funnier than that, to me, is that the Cowboys lost three home games to non-playoff teams (but neither of them certainly "suck") this year, yet it's a road loss to a playoff team that is a problem, apparently.
 
2013-01-10 12:12:09 PM
Actually, I sort of take my post back; I didn't notice that one of those three losses (CHI) is the second game Jerry Jones cited in that article.
 
2013-01-10 12:13:37 PM

Killer Cars: yet it's a road loss to a playoff team that is a problem, apparently.


A road loss to a team that was undefeated at home and is known to have the biggest HFA in the league, not to mention possesses a much better team than his. That would be like everyone in the league who played them but the Giants firing their coach after losing to the Patriots in 2007. Maybe they'd have to fire Coughlin, too, after all, he did only go 1-1 against the Patriots.
 
2013-01-10 12:15:47 PM

Killer Cars: Actually, I sort of take my post back; I didn't notice that one of those three losses (CHI) is the second game Jerry Jones cited in that article.


Of course, in that one, 14 points were scored by the Chicago defense, and only 20 by their offense. Oh, and of course the Bears, too, are a better team than the Cowboys.
 
2013-01-10 12:16:37 PM

Brokenseas: So 2013 is the year of reckoning for both Rex and Mark. 9 or 10 or 11 wins, with improved QB play, and they have bought themselves some time and contract extensions. Anything less than that, and they are both gone.


What are the odds that they are featured on Hard Knocks again? Or has that already been decided.
 
2013-01-10 12:16:45 PM

Killer Cars: IAmRight: ***snip***

Even funnier than that, to me, is that the Cowboys lost three home games to non-playoff teams (but neither of them certainly "suck") this year, yet it's a road loss to a playoff team that is a problem, apparently.


Obviously Jerry has been honing his troll skillz on the Fark Political tab. I wonder what his handle is?
 
2013-01-10 12:18:10 PM

IAmRight: Killer Cars: yet it's a road loss to a playoff team that is a problem, apparently.

A road loss to a team that was undefeated at home and is known to have the biggest HFA in the league, not to mention possesses a much better team than his. That would be like everyone in the league who played them but the Giants firing their coach after losing to the Patriots in 2007. Maybe they'd have to fire Coughlin, too, after all, he did only go 1-1 against the Patriots.


Marty Schottenheimer and Lovie Smith nod knowingly.
 
2013-01-10 12:19:46 PM

IAmRight: Of course, in that one, 14 points were scored by the Chicago defense, and only 20 by their offense. Oh, and of course the Bears, too, are a better team than the Cowboys.


Yeah, either way there's some terrible rationale by Jones going on here.
 
2013-01-10 12:48:33 PM

roc6783: Marty Schottenheimer and Lovie Smith nod knowingly.


Schottenheimer deserved to be fired for not immediately cutting Marlon McCree after he said that he would've done the same thing he did in the game again - intercept a 4th down pass and try to return it, even in traffic.

Up 8 points. 6 minutes left, ball at the SD 41. If he bats it down, the Chargers have the ball with 6 to go in great field position - great position for clinching a win. They can run a couple of minutes off the clock, if they get stopped, they can punt it deep with 4 to go...McCree returns it and fumbles at his own 32. So not only was it stupid because it gave the ball away - even if he hadn't fumbled, he still would've lost yardage!

Also, just look at this abortion of a 4th quarter. Burned a timeout after an incomplete pass on offense, making it more difficult to try to run a play with 8 seconds left - instead they went for a 54-yard FG.

The best part about the going for the 54-yarder? In the first quarter, Schottenheimer went for it on 4th and 11 from the NE 30 in a 0-0 game. THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A 47-YARDER! WAY more like to be made!

/wish he could be hired for the regular season only
 
2013-01-10 12:49:12 PM

revman64: Jones IS the Cowboys biggest problem. Until he relents control of the GM role this team is doomed for mediocrity. There is no reason for him to change a thing though as he sells that giant stadium for every game and Cowboys merchandise still sells big. His ego won't support losing though so maybe one day he'll eventually realize HE is the problem.


Jerry, don't change a thing. I had an uneasy feeling when you bought the Cowboys and you've proven that my intuition was correct. You are reaping what you've sown, since you ran Jimmy Johnson out of town, and I couldn't be happier. Please continue to run the Cowboys as you see fit, it is YOUR team after all.
 
2013-01-10 12:53:05 PM
If someone hands me one sip from the fountain of youth, I'm giving it to Jerry Jones, just to make sure he owns the Cowboys forever.
 
2013-01-10 01:05:53 PM
The decision to get rid of Rob Ryan may have been the right one.....but Jones' stated examples and reasons were laughable.
 
2013-01-10 01:30:31 PM
I would take Rob as DC in Cleveland again. Heck, I'd take Romeo as DC in Cleveland.
 
2013-01-10 01:36:03 PM

revman64: There is no reason for him to change a thing

....

You mean like firing some coaches? OK

Quasar: Hey speaking of Wade, the Cowboys are in the market for a new DC...


He's busy right now.

Killer Cars: Actually, I sort of take my post back; I didn't notice that one of those three losses (CHI) is the second game Jerry Jones cited in that article.


If you're waiting around for Jerry Jones to make sense, may I suggest a Snickers?

Oh and Chicago was indeed a better team. The only team with a win percentage over 0.600 to not make the playoffs. WHO WANTS TO SEE A GRAPH

i.imgur.com

Link to bigger

Playoff teams have been garnished with bold outlines. Pictures have generally been adjusted for competence.
 
2013-01-10 01:36:58 PM
And I just got a ScoreCenter alert that says that the Cowboys are now concentrating on Monte Kiffin for DC. Before I google, do you guys know that name?
 
2013-01-10 01:44:23 PM

Di Atribe: And I just got a ScoreCenter alert that says that the Cowboys are now concentrating on Monte Kiffin for DC. Before I google, do you guys know that name?


He was the defensive coordinator behind Tampa Bay's Super Bowl team. Lane Kiffin's father.

/hi, Di
 
2013-01-10 01:46:47 PM

Di Atribe: And I just got a ScoreCenter alert that says that the Cowboys are now concentrating on Monte Kiffin for DC. Before I google, do you guys know that name?


Don't make me slap you, Di.

Did a lot with the Tampa 2 (which is now pretty useless). Won in 2002 with the Bucs. Has been employed by his son for the past few years in his college tours. Has not headed particularly good defenses even within the college ranks. Old as hell.

A very Jerry Jones-esque hire.
 
2013-01-10 02:05:48 PM

Di Atribe: And I just got a ScoreCenter alert that says that the Cowboys are now concentrating on Monte Kiffin for DC. Before I google, do you guys know that name?


His resume:

1966-1972 Nebraska (GA)
1973-1976 Nebraska (DC)
1977-1978 Arkansas (DC)
1979 Arkansas (Assistant HC/DC)
1980-1982 North Carolina State (HC)
1983 Green Bay Packers (LB)
1984-1985 Buffalo Bills (LB)
1986-1989 Minnesota Vikings (LB)
1990 New York Jets (LB)
1991 Minnesota Vikings (DC)
1992-1994 Minnesota Vikings (LB)
1995 New Orleans Saints (DC)
1996-2008 Tampa Bay Buccaneers (DC)
2009 Tennessee (DC)
2010-2012 USC (Assistant HC)

Clearly, his reputation is built off his run at TB. Not included: producing Lane Kiffin. Not sure whether or not we can hold that against him.
 
2013-01-10 02:19:01 PM
I am one of the few people in Dallas who agree with getting rid of Ryan. It didn't seem like Drew Brees missed a single read of that defense. It's funny though, whoever they bring in as a replacement is going to have what shoiuld be a WEALTH of talent to work with.

Now bring in an offensive playcaller in the booth and things will be looking a bit rosier in big D.
 
2013-01-10 02:34:19 PM

IAmRight: roc6783: Marty Schottenheimer and Lovie Smith nod knowingly.

***snip***


Was hoping that would get more bites...such is life.

Di Atribe: revman64: ***snip***


GRAFS?!?!? Postseason GRAFS?!?!? Not in a Power Rankings thread GRAFS?!?!? SQUUUEEEEE...***SWOON****
 
2013-01-10 02:34:32 PM

Yanks_RSJ: He was the defensive coordinator behind Tampa Bay's Super Bowl team. Lane Kiffin's father.

/hi, Di


Hi, Yanks. :)  I've missed your smart mouth & wrong opinions around here.

IAmRight: Don't make me slap you, Di.


Oh baby.

IAmRight: Did a lot with the Tampa 2 (which is now pretty useless). Won in 2002 with the Bucs. Has been employed by his son for the past few years in his college tours. Has not headed particularly good defenses even within the college ranks. Old as hell.

A very Jerry Jones-esque hire.


I dunno, a SB win is a pretty good tick on the ol' resume. Of course I recognized the name "Kiffin," but I didn't know who that guy was. In 2002, I was still a wee football fan. I was still getting to know the Cowboys, no way that I knew who the DC of the Bucs was. Hell I don't think I could tell you the DC of any team besides the Cowboys & Texans.

johnnyq: Clearly, his reputation is built off his run at TB. Not included: producing Lane Kiffin. Not sure whether or not we can hold that against him.


Well he was there the longest. Otherwise, kinda slutty.
 
2013-01-10 02:43:27 PM

roc6783: GRAFS?!?!? Postseason GRAFS?!?!? Not in a Power Rankings thread GRAFS?!?!? SQUUUEEEEE...***SWOON****


I made it too late for the rankings thread. :(

I'm also gonna go clean up the fandom graph here pretty soon. Need a nice accurate representation for the playoffs. Dammit, just had an idea for a playoff project. Sigh. Too late now, I guess.
 
2013-01-10 02:45:33 PM

Di Atribe: I dunno, a SB win is a pretty good tick on the ol' resume.


That was 10+ years ago and his most recent season basically ended with him having to leave so as to avoid the situation where his son has to fire him.
 
2013-01-10 03:09:38 PM
Yeah Jerry, higher the Tampa 2 DC for the man-press DBs you spent all your money on last year.

Also switch to a 4-3 and nullify your best defensive player, while having to go out and spend like crazy for 2 competent healthy DTs since you have none of those.
 
2013-01-10 03:16:36 PM

Killer Cars: IAmRight: Of course, in that one, 14 points were scored by the Chicago defense, and only 20 by their offense. Oh, and of course the Bears, too, are a better team than the Cowboys.

Yeah, either way there's some terrible rationale by Jones going on here.


The rational makes a lot more sense, when you think about it from the perspective of trying to protect Jerry Jones' ego.


His team has once again failed late in the season, and once again, in embarrassing fashion. So he needs some semblance of change to occur, even if just to placate the angry and maybe reignite some passion in the apathetic fanbase.

Say Jerry was fire the head coach,(his hand picked golden boy), or look to move Romo, both of those are moves that would be essentially be public admissions of his own failure, moves that might even grow into considerable public pressure for him to relinquish control.

By firing Ryan, Jerry can place blame elsewhere and avoid making the sort of drastic organizational changes that could potentially arise if the cowboys admit defeat on the Romo /Garrett era.


And honestly, if Jerry isn't going to take a cue from other great NFL franchises, step back, and allow an outside GM to hire his own coaching staff or even allow his head coach to decide who's on his football team, then none of it matters. There is no reason to expect Jerry to be able to find a better qb than Romo. No reason to expect that any self respecting coach would ever want to work here. No reason to expect him to draft a better offensive or defensive line. No reason to expect anything other than .500 football, that's Jerry's track record in the 21st century, and those superbowls his teams won when I was 5 years old don't seem anymore relevant than Tom Landry's must have seemed in the late 80's.
 
2013-01-10 03:27:57 PM
There really is nothing more useless than complaining about Jerry. He's the owner. He'll do whatever he wants.

Going on and on with "Jerry needs to hire a GM" for the thousandth time is just wasting finger energy.
 
2013-01-10 03:37:44 PM
Got rid of the RB coach and the DC. Meanwhile, Garrett's failed Chinese Calculus Offense piles up pass attempts and Jakes.

F*ck you, Jones.
 
2013-01-10 03:39:37 PM

Treygreen13: There really is nothing more useless than complaining about Jerry. He's the owner. He'll do whatever he wants.

Going on and on with "Jerry needs to hire a GM" for the thousandth time is just wasting finger energy.


I got two fingers that will never tire of speaking to Jerrah.
 
2013-01-10 04:12:14 PM

MrJesus: Yeah Jerry, higher the Tampa 2 DC for the man-press DBs you spent all your money on last year.

Also switch to a 4-3 and nullify your best defensive player, while having to go out and spend like crazy for 2 competent healthy DTs since you have none of those.


So much this. SO MUCH THIS.

I am really starting to pity Cowboy fans. At least till I remember that at least they have won something in the lst 20 years. Then I just go back to thinking "man, what a putz".
 
2013-01-10 04:21:40 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: FTA - Jerry Jones: I am an old dickhead who thinks that I will have another Herschel Walker trade that will help me build the backbone of my superbowl teams . I am a less racist Al Davis. Al Davis liked young black athletic men who were dumb as rocks. *I* don't care if your black or not. I also have not hired a competent coach in 15 years because they scare me.


They also got very lucky winning the years number 1 supplemental draft pick; choosing Steve Walsh, then trading that lucky draw for even more trade/draft picks. I don't think that the cowboys even needed a head coach to win after falling blind and backwards into that situation.

"Steve Walsh's selection by Jimmy Johnson in 1989 was curious for many reasons, not least that he had invested a first-round pick in quarterback Troy Aikman just weeks earlier. Johnson spent another first-rounder on Walsh, with whom he had won the 1987 national championship at the University of Miami."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82a4c699/article/five-fascinati n g-nfl-supplemental-draft-picks
 
2013-01-10 04:22:07 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: I am really starting to pity Cowboy fans. At least till I remember that at least they have won something in the lst 20 years.


Even if they go 100 years without winning anything, you should never pity Cowboys fans. They deserve every ounce of scorn and mockery we can heap on them.
 
2013-01-10 04:49:23 PM

rik_everglade: Jim from Saint Paul: FTA - Jerry Jones: I am an old dickhead who thinks that I will have another Herschel Walker trade that will help me build the backbone of my superbowl teams . I am a less racist Al Davis. Al Davis liked young black athletic men who were dumb as rocks. *I* don't care if your black or not. I also have not hired a competent coach in 15 years because they scare me.

They also got very lucky winning the years number 1 supplemental draft pick; choosing Steve Walsh, then trading that lucky draw for even more trade/draft picks. I don't think that the cowboys even needed a head coach to win after falling blind and backwards into that situation.

"Steve Walsh's selection by Jimmy Johnson in 1989 was curious for many reasons, not least that he had invested a first-round pick in quarterback Troy Aikman just weeks earlier. Johnson spent another first-rounder on Walsh, with whom he had won the 1987 national championship at the University of Miami."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82a4c699/article/five-fascinati n g-nfl-supplemental-draft-picks


I don't think you can say that the Cowboys going 3-13 and drafting first is "lucking" into the pick. Jimmy wanted Steve because he coached him in college, and in case Aikman didn't work out. The QB controversy it created was a tremendous mistake and Jimmy was on record as saying that he thought Troy would "always be a loser". That was just Jimmy hedging his bets.

The Vikings thing was a full-on trade-rape that was brilliant in its evilness. The sheer volume of picks and players traded gets a lot of attention, but the way they got even more out of the deal than just the stuff on paper was how they did it. The Browns also wanted Walker, so they played the Vikings off as needing to beat the Browns offer, which was very generous. But they also said, "You have until this time today to decide. But know if you want him it's picks, players, and conditional picks."

The conditional picks were the brilliant part of it. The language in the contract was so weak that the Cowboys just *hosed* the Vikings on the conditional picks. They got those players for a season *and* got to cut them for additional picks.
 
2013-01-10 06:55:02 PM

Di Atribe: revman64: There is no reason for him to change a thing....

You mean like firing some coaches? OK

Quasar: Hey speaking of Wade, the Cowboys are in the market for a new DC...

He's busy right now.

Killer Cars: Actually, I sort of take my post back; I didn't notice that one of those three losses (CHI) is the second game Jerry Jones cited in that article.

If you're waiting around for Jerry Jones to make sense, may I suggest a Snickers?

Oh and Chicago was indeed a better team. The only team with a win percentage over 0.600 to not make the playoffs. WHO WANTS TO SEE A GRAPH

[i.imgur.com image 850x590]

Link to bigger

Playoff teams have been garnished with bold outlines. Pictures have generally been adjusted for competence.


Mr. Sando of the beloved NFC West blog did a delightful column on strength of schedule when not including wins or losses induced by the team in question. I'll try and hunt down the link.
 
2013-01-10 09:59:08 PM

Ted Kennedy's Brain Tumor: Mr. Sando of the beloved NFC West blog did a delightful column on strength of schedule when not including wins or losses induced by the team in question. I'll try and hunt down the link.


That sounds delightful indeed! I'll be looking for it.
 
2013-01-11 12:09:14 AM

Di Atribe: Yanks_RSJ: He was the defensive coordinator behind Tampa Bay's Super Bowl team. Lane Kiffin's father.

/hi, Di

Hi, Yanks. :)  I've missed your smart mouth & wrong opinions around here.

IAmRight: Don't make me slap you, Di.

Oh baby.

IAmRight: Did a lot with the Tampa 2 (which is now pretty useless). Won in 2002 with the Bucs. Has been employed by his son for the past few years in his college tours. Has not headed particularly good defenses even within the college ranks. Old as hell.

A very Jerry Jones-esque hire.

I dunno, a SB win is a pretty good tick on the ol' resume. Of course I recognized the name "Kiffin," but I didn't know who that guy was. In 2002, I was still a wee football fan. I was still getting to know the Cowboys, no way that I knew who the DC of the Bucs was. Hell I don't think I could tell you the DC of any team besides the Cowboys & Texans.

johnnyq: Clearly, his reputation is built off his run at TB. Not included: producing Lane Kiffin. Not sure whether or not we can hold that against him.

Well he was there the longest. Otherwise, kinda slutty.


Di, Darlin'. IAmRight is right. The Tampa 2 is worthless as a base D in today's NFL. It was made to kill the West Coast offense. No one runs that anymore. Monty Kiffin ain't the guy.

Yes IAmRight. Very Jerrah Jones-esque. Domed to fail... but Jerrah won't see it for 2 years... at the very earliest.
 
2013-01-11 12:35:47 AM

4NTLRZ: Di, Darlin'. IAmRight is right. The Tampa 2 is worthless as a base D in today's NFL. It was made to kill the West Coast offense. No one runs that anymore. Monty Kiffin ain't the guy.


Well he was at Valley Ranch today, so he may not be the guy we need, but it's really starting to look like he's the guy we're getting.
 
2013-01-11 09:20:02 AM

Di Atribe: Ted Kennedy's Brain Tumor: Mr. Sando of the beloved NFC West blog did a delightful column on strength of schedule when not including wins or losses induced by the team in question. I'll try and hunt down the link.

That sounds delightful indeed! I'll be looking for it.


You should probably follow him anyway since he's your ESPN blogger counterpart, always posting the links to the graphs for power rankings throughout the years.
 
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