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2013-01-10 11:30:26 AM
Well, you know our national motto: "Live fast, die young, leave a chubby corpse."
 
2013-01-10 11:32:00 AM

sigdiamond2000: The Stealth Hippopotamus: sigdiamond2000: The Stealth Hippopotamus: And gold metals...

And education...

You *could* have read the very next post.

TOO LATE!


You *could* have gone with this:



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2013-01-10 11:33:53 AM

here to help: or teach kids to use condoms


We fall behind in subjects like math, science and literacy........how well do you think those students will do in condoms 101?

Is that the subject the idiots the school system is churning out will be good at?...I doubt it.
 
2013-01-10 11:38:13 AM

God Is My Co-Pirate: Nowhere else on earth would a first lady planting a vegetable garden be hysterically reported as a "war on cookies."


Is that all that caused it?
 
2013-01-10 11:41:11 AM

Giltric: here to help: or teach kids to use condoms

We fall behind in subjects like math, science and literacy........how well do you think those students will do in condoms 101?

Is that the subject the idiots the school system is churning out will be good at?...I doubt it.


Talented, smart and driven people will overcome. Everyone else will just have to deal.
 
2013-01-10 11:42:59 AM
I place primary blame on genetics/ethnic composition. Flame away.
 
2013-01-10 11:43:23 AM

here to help: doczoidberg: If unhealthy behavior is so lauded in America, then why is it illegal now to smoke practically anywhere?

Because some whiny, albeit well intentioned, c*nts crawled up the politicians butts to get it banned in workplaces and restaurants/bars. That I have no problem with. But then they got drunk on their own self importance and kept kvetching and crying and the politicos went for the cheap and easy votes. It also had a side benefit of raking in another set of fines and allowed more intrusion into business owner and private citizens affairs. So instead of laws that makes sense and protect people in legitimate situations where the harmful effects of tobacco use are thrust upon those who opt not to smoke we can't even have completely sealed off, ventilated rooms that totally remove smoke from a public setting.

So essentially power tripping, greed, hysteria and ignorance is why. But heaven forbid anyone mentions that perhaps you should register you stockpile of of death inflicting boomsticks or teach kids to use condoms or pay for preventative healthcare.

What a great country!


I'm so sad that we're infringing upon your right to give others lung cancer. Let me break out my violin and play a song for you.
 
2013-01-10 11:43:48 AM
And number 1 in reporting all these things that others countries do not or have differing thresholds for, but dont let that get in the way of your derp subby
 
2013-01-10 11:44:05 AM

God Is My Co-Pirate: Nowhere else on earth would a first lady planting a vegetable garden be hysterically reported as a "war on cookies."


But I love cookies.
 
2013-01-10 11:46:11 AM

FLMountainMan: I place primary blame on genetics/ethnic composition. Flame away.


I know, the Scots-Irish of Kentucky and West Virginia are dragging everyone else down.
 
2013-01-10 11:46:41 AM
We're obese because our food tastes better than your food.
 
2013-01-10 11:48:23 AM

Joe Blowme: And number 1 in reporting all these things that others countries do not or have differing thresholds for, but dont let that get in the way of your derp subby


No shiat.

Look at how other countries define live birth and infant mortality compared to he US. Some countries consider a baby that dies within 24 hours of birth to be a stillbirth. Others consider really premature babies to be excluded from the definition of live birth and/or infant mortality if they die. Virtually every fetus that emerges with a heartbeat is considered a live birth in this country.

It may not be the only reason, but may explain why we're 178 on that list and not say, 25 or something.
 
2013-01-10 11:52:00 AM
Odd that some people blame this on everything but our culture of backasswards priorities, hedonism, lack of personal responsibility and consumerism.
 
2013-01-10 11:52:21 AM
Who's to blame? According to the study's authors, American culture in general is at fault.


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-01-10 11:53:57 AM
but but but we have the best healthcare system in the world!
 
2013-01-10 11:54:05 AM

pedrop357: Joe Blowme: And number 1 in reporting all these things that others countries do not or have differing thresholds for, but dont let that get in the way of your derp subby

No shiat.

Look at how other countries define live birth and infant mortality compared to he US. Some countries consider a baby that dies within 24 hours of birth to be a stillbirth. Others consider really premature babies to be excluded from the definition of live birth and/or infant mortality if they die. Virtually every fetus that emerges with a heartbeat is considered a live birth in this country.

It may not be the only reason, but may explain why we're 178 on that list and not say, 25 or something.


This. Not to say there isn't a problem, but that explains a good part of it.

Citrate1007: Corporate Food, Abstinence Education, and Privatized Healthcare FTW.......keep us on top GOP.


Yeah, the Democrats are just totally blameless in all this.
 
2013-01-10 11:55:52 AM
They forgot school shootings and reality TV.

USA! USA!
 
2013-01-10 11:56:22 AM
Reverend Monkeypants 2013-01-10 11:53:57 AM

but but but we have the best healthcare system in the world!

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The best healthcare system in the world cannot prevent fat people from eating and people from farking without condoms.
 
2013-01-10 11:56:33 AM

Joe Blowme: And number 1 in reporting all these things that others countries do not or have differing thresholds for, but dont let that get in the way of your derp subby


Different countries have very different standards for how to define "died in a car crash" and "shot to death". You can see where there's a lot of grey area, though.
 
2013-01-10 11:59:28 AM

aedude01: I'm so sad that we're infringing upon your right to give others lung cancer. Let me break out my violin and play a song for you.


And how the f*ck are you getting cancer when I'm in a completely different room with all the smoke getting sucked out of it?

Goddamned whiner. Piss off.

BTW... I never smoke around non smokers without their express consent and even then I avoid it. I applauded the initial anti-smoking in bars/restaurant laws. They just got taken too far by idiots like you.
 
2013-01-10 11:59:39 AM

Jake Steed: Reverend Monkeypants 2013-01-10 11:53:57 AM

but but but we have the best healthcare system in the world!
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The best healthcare system in the world cannot prevent fat people from eating and people from farking without condoms.


It can if we only get more authoritarian.
 
2013-01-10 12:20:41 PM
So by cherry-picking 16 out of 195 countries, Gawker can craft a political hack of an article that Farkers lap right up?

/Seems legit
 
2013-01-10 12:25:59 PM
The USA is like the retarded kid that everyone makes fun of, but is too retarded to realize that everyone's making fun of him.
 
kgf
2013-01-10 12:29:32 PM
"Something fundamentally is going wrong to cause our country to lose ground against other high-income countries," Woolf added.

Yes, it's called Capitalism. All of those other countries are to varying degrees more socialist than the US is. Unfettered capitalism results in huge disparities in wealth and income, so with unfettered capitalism, there will always be a significant part of the population living in poverty, which in turn spawns crime, including violence, denies health care to many who need it, and limits educational choices.

Yes there are many other factors that play into this, but poverty is the thing that makes the other issues impossible to fix.

Capitalism is not a bad thing in and of itself, but left to run its course without restriction it will always result in a few rich and a lot of poor. We've been down this road before in the 1800's, which is why we have so many laws that "make it so difficult to do business" like anti-trust laws.

Just my opinion, but I think it's a good one. Fire away.
 
2013-01-10 12:34:03 PM

kgf: "Something fundamentally is going wrong to cause our country to lose ground against other high-income countries," Woolf added.

Yes, it's called Capitalism. All of those other countries are to varying degrees more socialist than the US is. Unfettered capitalism results in huge disparities in wealth and income, so with unfettered capitalism, there will always be a significant part of the population living in poverty, which in turn spawns crime, including violence, denies health care to many who need it, and limits educational choices.

Yes there are many other factors that play into this, but poverty is the thing that makes the other issues impossible to fix.

Capitalism is not a bad thing in and of itself, but left to run its course without restriction it will always result in a few rich and a lot of poor. We've been down this road before in the 1800's, which is why we have so many laws that "make it so difficult to do business" like anti-trust laws.

Just my opinion, but I think it's a good one. Fire away.


Logic you have. Agree, the derp party will not.
 
2013-01-10 12:34:47 PM

meathome: I loved that quote. Best comeback would have been "my generation didn't cause any of these problems, and it's not my generation that's fighting to maintain the status quo instead of trying to make things better. What's your excuse?"

I know it doesn't fit the theme for the show, but I think it would have made for a more interesting scene.

It would have made for a more interesting scene, but that wasn't the point. His response to her was based on the following:

1) Finally losing his carefully cultivated apathy (the epiphany that launched the show) in response to what was, in essence, a vapid discussion panel question to begin with.

2) It served to complete the cycle of the first season. While said college girl was originally was planning to sue him for emotional damage/humiliation, at the end of the season finale she shows up in his office applying for an intern job, saying that his speech motivated her to change. He hired her on the spot as the show ended.

Plus, even if she had given him a snappy comeback, his argument is still valid. If he's quoting statistics on education it most definitely affects her generation and the one following hers, because it would be her responsibility as a voter and a parent to prevent (for example) the teaching of the idea that the Flintstones is a true story in science classes and the perpetuity of an ineffectual government.
 
2013-01-10 12:36:48 PM

Carousel Beast: So by cherry-picking 16 out of 195 countries, Gawker can craft a political hack of an article that Farkers lap right up?

/Seems legit


Am I reading a different thread than you?
 
2013-01-10 12:43:42 PM
Anything to stop young people from voting for progressives is a good thing.
 
2013-01-10 12:45:51 PM

kgf: Capitalism is not a bad thing in and of itself, but left to run its course without restriction it will always result in a few rich and a lot of poor. We've been down this road before in the 1800's, which is why we have so many laws that "make it so difficult to do business" like anti-trust laws.

Just my opinion, but I think it's a good one. Fire away.


When was the last time it ran its course without restriction?
 
2013-01-10 12:46:37 PM

Diogenes: jaylectricity: Ironic that the nation with the most to live for isn't equipped to do so.

Hedonistic nihilism?


Welcome to your band name.
 
2013-01-10 12:49:12 PM

Carousel Beast: So by cherry-picking 16 out of 195 countries, Gawker can craft a political hack of an article that Farkers lap right up?

/Seems legit


It's cherry picking to compare the US to places like Japan and Sweden instead of Burkina Faso and Bangladesh?
 
2013-01-10 12:51:08 PM

you have pee hands: Joe Blowme: And number 1 in reporting all these things that others countries do not or have differing thresholds for, but dont let that get in the way of your derp subby

Different countries have very different standards for how to define "died in a car crash" and "shot to death". You can see where there's a lot of grey area, though.


Yep, just a while ago I read about this town where they had hardly any murder, but suicide was incredibly prevalent. It turned out that if you died after making "funny" remarks to ethnic groups or just walking in certain parts of town then they marked.it as suicide.
 
2013-01-10 12:53:21 PM

DerAppie: Yep, just a while ago I read about this town where they had hardly any murder, but suicide was incredibly prevalent. It turned out that if you died after making "funny" remarks to ethnic groups or just walking in certain parts of town then they marked.it as suicide.


in that same vein, British police were found to be hiding crime numbers to make London look better.

We saw the same thing in some large cities and college towns where rapes were being categorized as 'assault' or some variation.
 
2013-01-10 12:54:59 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Best health care in the world!


LULZ!
 
2013-01-10 12:57:05 PM

mytdawg: Oooh, I wanna play.

Nowhere else on earth would the 11 people that insist on calling it "the holidays" be waging a War On Christmas.

Nowhere else on earth would approximately half the politicians hold an entire economy hostage to protest a situation which they themselves had created.


They're all the same farking holiday. It's the solstice.
 
2013-01-10 12:59:37 PM
So we overtook Australia again?
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2013-01-10 01:01:11 PM

BgJonson79: Giltric: here to help: or teach kids to use condoms

We fall behind in subjects like math, science and literacy........how well do you think those students will do in condoms 101?

Is that the subject the idiots the school system is churning out will be good at?...I doubt it.

Talented, smart and driven people will overcome. Everyone else will just have to deal.


Well, that's been the story line, anyway. Entropic societies are a sign that the scum are rising to the top, not the cream.
 
2013-01-10 01:01:30 PM

DerAppie: Yep, just a while ago I read about this town where they had hardly any murder, but suicide was incredibly prevalent. It turned out that if you died after making "funny" remarks to ethnic groups or just walking in certain parts of town then they marked.it as suicide.


I read about that exact same town. It was a Harlan Ellison fictional short story, right?
 
2013-01-10 01:03:11 PM
The stats will be better once the Feds put those chips in us. Obey!
 
2013-01-10 01:06:56 PM
Well we are fat because we have too much money to spend on junk.food, STDs are high because all the sexy people live here, and the only reason infant mortality rates are high is because we try to save children that would he classified as stillborns in most nations. Hell, it wasn't that long ago that they had a lot here as well, now we try to save them and that's not a bad thing.
 
2013-01-10 01:09:22 PM

moothemagiccow: They're all the same farking holiday. It's the solstice.


But they're all several days apart! Next you'll try to tell me that it's not unusual for holidays to move around a bit over thousands of years.

I'm pretty confident that all the ancient scholars and priests who were in charge of deciding when the holy days should be observed had no trouble going to wikipedia to find documentation for all various calendar modifications, replacements, and translations that they had to constantly deal with. And if their calendar ever started to drift, they could just call up the US Naval Observatory and ask exactly what day the solstice would occur on for the next 10 years. And I'm sure that no politician in the history of the world has ever moved a holiday a few days to make it line up with some other event.

No, it's very clear to me that the Winter Solstice, Christmas, and New Years are three entirely different and totally unrelated events.
 
2013-01-10 01:09:33 PM
Well, that's simple! Just have your lord and master O-butthole ban Obeisity, Dying youg, and STD's. Even better if it's through prezudemtial degree.

Problum solvified.

DEHUUURRRR...

MOAR OBEISE STD RIDDEN DEAD YOUNG PEOPLE!.... DEHURRRRR.....
 
2013-01-10 01:09:50 PM
HMS_Blinkin: "This should surprise no one. Old people vote, and politicians make sure that old people get exactly what they want."

It's not even that old people get exactly what they want. It's just that they are ensured the services of a modern, civilized society, while the young are not.
Old people have universal healthcare. Young people do not.
Old people have a universal social safety net. Young people do not.
That does a lot for life expectancy.

The programs that *do* (attempt to) assist (some of) the young people, are regularly demonized and cut and loaded up with byzantine qualifications and limitations and re-examinations in the name of denying "gifts" to "freeloaders". Where they still exist, they're under constant attack and very much subject to political whim.

It ain't all rosy for the olds though. At least, not for future generations of olds.
Half the country is practically salivating at the opportunity to claw those service levels down to spare rich people from so much as having their favorite tax loopholes closed.
So the future for their life expectancy is going to start comparing to other rich nations more the way youth life expectancy does today.

/ they used to joke "Detroit: where the weak are killed and eaten".
// but the real punchline is that's pretty much how the *entire country* operates.
/// where "weak" == "not-rich"
 
2013-01-10 01:10:41 PM

BolshyGreatYarblocks: BgJonson79: Giltric: here to help: or teach kids to use condoms

We fall behind in subjects like math, science and literacy........how well do you think those students will do in condoms 101?

Is that the subject the idiots the school system is churning out will be good at?...I doubt it.

Talented, smart and driven people will overcome. Everyone else will just have to deal.

Well, that's been the story line, anyway. Entropic societies are a sign that the scum are rising to the top, not the cream.


Are we really falling apart, or are these issues just inevitable adjustments as society progresses?
 
2013-01-10 01:14:16 PM

tricycleracer: Yosemite?!!!


A sorority girl, going to college, what was it, Northwestern? Doesn't matter. A good college. A sorority girl at a college you've heard of attends a panel featuring a trio of talking heads. These people are deep into politics. They're regulars on CNN. I'm going to assume the tickets were limited. You know, line up at 10am to get tickets to see self-described eggheads bicker. Now this young woman, whose presence at the event is for the moment inexplicable, finds it in herself to stand up behind 10 other people during the closing Q&A (she sat through an hour of this already) and ask a question. It's probably the most insipid question you could ask of anyone involved in US politics. But she gets up, goes to the mic and thinks these people she's likely unfamiliar with will have a good answer for it and everyone will appreciate her input.

I know Sorkin writes fiction. That's ok. What I don't understand is why he writes fantasy. The story of how that girl got into that room and asked that question is far more interesting than the story of the guy who got paid $10,000 to show up at the school and yell facts at her. The guy who "just decided to" do the news "right" because a story fell in an underling's lap.
 
2013-01-10 01:18:47 PM
It forgot to mention that we are number 1 in incarcerations and putting people to death. We lead in sentencing minors to life in prison. If we want to solve all the problems in the article, we need to put more people to death. Either that or give everybody guns with a bullet in the chamber and tell them it's safe to put it to their head and shoot it because it won't go off.
 
2013-01-10 01:20:58 PM

The Larch: DerAppie: Yep, just a while ago I read about this town where they had hardly any murder, but suicide was incredibly prevalent. It turned out that if you died after making "funny" remarks to ethnic groups or just walking in certain parts of town then they marked.it as suicide.

I read about that exact same town. It was a Harlan Ellison fictional short story, right?


Nope, it wasn't a Harlan Ellsion fictional short story.

/Just don't order a short
//And don't go where the sun doesn't shine
 
2013-01-10 01:28:00 PM

you have pee hands: Joe Blowme: And number 1 in reporting all these things that others countries do not or have differing thresholds for, but dont let that get in the way of your derp subby

Different countries have very different standards for how to define "died in a car crash" and "shot to death". You can see where there's a lot of grey area, though.


I agree there are a lot of grey areas: Infant mortality (what is considered a live birth), what constitutes healthcare spending (pretty obvious), and educational rankings among 8th graders (several countries have a considerable dropout rate before 8th grade).

Life expectancy at age 60 is easier to define, and we do pretty well there. Literacy is another; we do very well there. Car accidents, well, we're 16th (out of 38 countries with data collected) in terms of fatailities per billion miles travelled; however, we have a lot more highways than most other countries.

I'll claim we're number 1 in the size of our economy (yes, even today), scientific research, amount of humanitarian foreign aid, and in number of military interventions for humanitarian reasons (i.e. without financial or territorial gain).
 
2013-01-10 01:30:09 PM
Came for Ke$ha.
Also, Came on Ke$ha
 
2013-01-10 01:33:10 PM

DerAppie: The Larch: DerAppie: Yep, just a while ago I read about this town where they had hardly any murder, but suicide was incredibly prevalent. It turned out that if you died after making "funny" remarks to ethnic groups or just walking in certain parts of town then they marked.it as suicide.

I read about that exact same town. It was a Harlan Ellison fictional short story, right?

Nope, it wasn't a Harlan Ellsion fictional short story.


Was it J G Ballard? I bet you're describing a J G Ballard fictional short story.

Or maybe I'm thinking of some of the older dystopian science fiction. Are you talking about those fictional towns in the Lovecraft stories?

Don't keep me in suspense! What was the name of the town?
 
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