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2013-01-10 08:26:29 AM  
I blame Ke$ha.
 
2013-01-10 08:53:09 AM  
And Gawker thinks these things are in response to how much we spend on healthcare, instead of being the reason.
 
2013-01-10 09:14:58 AM  
You'll get my STDs when you pry them from my cold, dead genitals.
 
2013-01-10 09:21:42 AM  
Freedom has its costs.
 
2013-01-10 09:25:02 AM  
Who's to blame? According to the study's authors, American culture in general is at fault.

"We have a culture in our country ... that cherishes personal autonomy and wants to limit intrusion of government and other entities upon our personal lives," Woolf said.


We do?
 
2013-01-10 09:32:49 AM  

Sybarite: I blame Ke$ha.


I was channel surfing and saw a clip of one her videos.  Now my television has crabs.
 
2013-01-10 09:34:38 AM  
WE'RE NUMBER ONE
WE'RE NUMBER ONE
WOOOOOO USA
 
2013-01-10 09:37:23 AM  

sigdiamond2000: Who's to blame? According to the study's authors, American culture in general is at fault.

"We have a culture in our country ... that cherishes personal autonomy and wants to limit intrusion of government and other entities upon our personal lives," Woolf said.

We do?


Yes. Good god yes. And it's not that it doesn't exist to some extent in other places, but not to the degree that it is embraced and celebrated here. Especially when it comes to "our" bodies and "our" choices, there's nowhere else where making crappy decisions is so greatly lauded.
 
2013-01-10 09:43:08 AM  
Ironic that the nation with the most to live for isn't equipped to do so.
 
2013-01-10 09:53:18 AM  

jaylectricity: Ironic that the nation with the most to live for isn't equipped to do so.


Hedonistic nihilism?
 
2013-01-10 09:59:15 AM  

sigdiamond2000: Who's to blame? According to the study's authors, American culture in general is at fault.

"We have a culture in our country ... that cherishes personal autonomy and wants to limit intrusion of government and other entities upon our personal lives," Woolf said.

We do?


Nowhere else on earth would a first lady planting a vegetable garden be hysterically reported as a "war on cookies."
 
2013-01-10 10:09:17 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: sigdiamond2000: Who's to blame? According to the study's authors, American culture in general is at fault.

"We have a culture in our country ... that cherishes personal autonomy and wants to limit intrusion of government and other entities upon our personal lives," Woolf said.

We do?

Nowhere else on earth would a first lady planting a vegetable garden be hysterically reported as a "war on cookies."


Now this is a game with potential--
Nowhere else on earth would a man arrested for urinating on the subway complain about not being respected.
 
2013-01-10 10:13:32 AM  

Yes please: Now this is a game with potential--
Nowhere else on earth would a man arrested for urinating on the subway complain about not being respected.


Nowhere else on earth would a woman with 15 kids and another on the way say, "Somebody needs to pay for all of this."
 
2013-01-10 10:19:35 AM  

Diogenes: jaylectricity: Ironic that the nation with the most to live for isn't equipped to do so.

Hedonistic nihilism?


It's more a problem with the existence of the American Dream.  If you don't have the ability to get through at least a Bachelors, which is nearly a requirement these days, then you have no real hope of ever succeeding in this country.  If you're not rich, the American Dream says you're not worth anything, so what's there to live for?
 
2013-01-10 10:22:10 AM  

sigdiamond2000: Who's to blame? According to the study's authors, American culture in general is at fault.

"We have a culture in our country ... that cherishes personal autonomy and wants to limit intrusion of government and other entities upon our personal lives," Woolf said.

We do?


Only if you're not a homosexual, or transgendered, or a woman, or an immigrant, or have been convicted of something in the past, or poor, or someone of color.
 
2013-01-10 10:25:15 AM  
And gold metals...
 
2013-01-10 10:26:39 AM  
medals!!

Darn, need more coffee
 
2013-01-10 10:26:51 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: And gold metals...


And education...
 
2013-01-10 10:52:02 AM  

Diogenes: Yes please: Now this is a game with potential--


Nowhere else on earth would being called an Einstein be an insult.
 
2013-01-10 11:08:24 AM  
Corporate Food, Abstinence Education, and Privatized Healthcare FTW.......keep us on top GOP.
 
2013-01-10 11:09:35 AM  
I bet we poop more too!
 
2013-01-10 11:10:11 AM  
If you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough.

/not sure how that applies, but it's a good saying.
 
2013-01-10 11:10:38 AM  
So we are fat, lazy and will bang anything....

/I blame college.
 
2013-01-10 11:10:55 AM  
Sometimes, I wonder if we should just burn it all down; collect the insurance money and start over from the beginning.

/ not often though
 
2013-01-10 11:11:03 AM  
And you-sorority girl-yeah-just in case you accidentally wander into a voting booth one day, there are some things you should know, and one of them is that there is absolutely no evidence to support the statement that we're the greatest country in the world. We're seventh in literacy, twenty-seventh in math, twenty-second in science, forty-ninth in life expectancy, 178th in infant mortality, third in median household income, number four in labor force, and number four in exports. We lead the world in only three categories: number of incarcerated citizens per capita, number of adults who believe angels are real, and defense spending, where we spend more than the next twenty-six countries combined, twenty-five of whom are allies. None of this is the fault of a 20-year-old college student, but you, nonetheless, are without a doubt, a member of the WORST-period-GENERATION-period-EVER-period, so when you ask what makes us the greatest country in the world,I don't know what the fark you're talking about?! Yosemite?!!!
 
2013-01-10 11:11:15 AM  

SurfaceTension: Diogenes: Yes please: Now this is a game with potential--

Nowhere else on earth would being called an Einstein be an insult.


You hit the nail on the head with this one. "Proud to be Ignorant" should be our new motto.
 
2013-01-10 11:12:26 AM  
Nowhere else on earth would people let there home, on purpose, go into foreclosure because they paid too much, and not understand how they're farking everyone else
 
2013-01-10 11:13:42 AM  
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fark yeah, America
 
2013-01-10 11:13:47 AM  
It's better to burn out than it is to rust.
 
2013-01-10 11:14:30 AM  
Pretty sure Australia's fatter.
 
2013-01-10 11:15:16 AM  
If unhealthy behavior is so lauded in America, then why is it illegal now to smoke practically anywhere?
 
2013-01-10 11:15:24 AM  

sigdiamond2000: The Stealth Hippopotamus: And gold metals...

And education...


You *could* have read the very next post.
 
2013-01-10 11:15:36 AM  
Best health care in the world!
 
2013-01-10 11:15:50 AM  
It only sounds bad when you say we lead in STD's, obesity and dying young. I prefer to think of it as living like a rock star
 
2013-01-10 11:16:14 AM  
Oooh, I wanna play.

Nowhere else on earth would the 11 people that insist on calling it "the holidays" be waging a War On Christmas.

Nowhere else on earth would approximately half the politicians hold an entire economy hostage to protest a situation which they themselves had created.
 
2013-01-10 11:17:01 AM  
Basically, it's a great spot to live if you're old: "Americans who reach age 75 can expect to live longer than people in the peer countries," the report reads.

But if you're young, well, you should probably just move to France: "I don't think most parents know that, on average, infants, children, and adolescents in the U.S. die younger and have greater rates of illness and injury than youth in other countries," Woolf said.


This should surprise no one. Old people vote, and politicians make sure that old people get exactly what they want.
 
2013-01-10 11:17:45 AM  

Yes please: sigdiamond2000: Who's to blame? According to the study's authors, American culture in general is at fault.

"We have a culture in our country ... that cherishes personal autonomy and wants to limit intrusion of government and other entities upon our personal lives," Woolf said.

We do?

Yes. Good god yes. And it's not that it doesn't exist to some extent in other places, but not to the degree that it is embraced and celebrated here. Especially when it comes to "our" bodies and "our" choices, there's nowhere else where making crappy decisions is so greatly lauded.


The freedom to fail is the ultimate freedom!
 
2013-01-10 11:18:34 AM  

tricycleracer: And you-sorority girl-yeah-just in case you accidentally wander into a voting booth one day, there are some things you should know, and one of them is that there is absolutely no evidence to support the statement that we're the greatest country in the world. We're seventh in literacy, twenty-seventh in math, twenty-second in science, forty-ninth in life expectancy, 178th in infant mortality, third in median household income, number four in labor force, and number four in exports. We lead the world in only three categories: number of incarcerated citizens per capita, number of adults who believe angels are real, and defense spending, where we spend more than the next twenty-six countries combined, twenty-five of whom are allies. None of this is the fault of a 20-year-old college student, but you, nonetheless, are without a doubt, a member of the WORST-period-GENERATION-period-EVER-period, so when you ask what makes us the greatest country in the world,I don't know what the fark you're talking about?! Yosemite?!!!


I loved that quote. Best comeback would have been "my generation didn't cause any of these problems, and it's not my generation that's fighting to maintain the status quo instead of trying to make things better. What's your excuse?"

I know it doesn't fit the theme for the show, but I think it would have made for a more interesting scene.
 
2013-01-10 11:18:51 AM  
As long as I can continue to eat these:

i.cnn.net

I will love 'Merica.
 
2013-01-10 11:19:01 AM  

Gwendolyn: sigdiamond2000: Who's to blame? According to the study's authors, American culture in general is at fault.

"We have a culture in our country ... that cherishes personal autonomy and wants to limit intrusion of government and other entities upon our personal lives," Woolf said.

We do?

Only if you're not a homosexual, or transgendered, or a woman, or an immigrant, or have been convicted of something in the past, or poor, or someone of color.

freethoughtblogs.com
 
2013-01-10 11:19:03 AM  

BgJonson79: Yes please: sigdiamond2000: Who's to blame? According to the study's authors, American culture in general is at fault.

"We have a culture in our country ... that cherishes personal autonomy and wants to limit intrusion of government and other entities upon our personal lives," Woolf said.

We do?

Yes. Good god yes. And it's not that it doesn't exist to some extent in other places, but not to the degree that it is embraced and celebrated here. Especially when it comes to "our" bodies and "our" choices, there's nowhere else where making crappy decisions is so greatly lauded.

The freedom to fail is the ultimate freedom!


And after you fail you blame someone else and sue them!
 
2013-01-10 11:19:24 AM  
Errol Flynn lived by the credo of "live fast, die young and leave a good body." The USA changes that by "leaving a bloated, swollen corpse."
 
2013-01-10 11:19:51 AM  

GAT_00: Diogenes: jaylectricity: Ironic that the nation with the most to live for isn't equipped to do so.

Hedonistic nihilism?

It's more a problem with the existence of the American Dream.  If you don't have the ability to get through at least a Bachelors, which is nearly a requirement these days, then you have no real hope of ever succeeding in this country.  If you're not rich, the American Dream says you're not worth anything, so what's there to live for?


Not just a bachelors, but a bachelors in something that proves you have the skills to succeed, and didn't waste money on something that will only allow you to be a barrista.
 
2013-01-10 11:20:11 AM  
We are also number one at donkey puches also, but who's counting?
 
2013-01-10 11:20:18 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: sigdiamond2000: The Stealth Hippopotamus: And gold metals...

And education...

You *could* have read the very next post.


TOO LATE!
 
2013-01-10 11:21:48 AM  
farm3.static.flickr.com
 
2013-01-10 11:24:49 AM  
For the record, whenever I see "USA! USA! USA!" typed out, I ALWAYS hear it in Homer Simpson's voice.
 
2013-01-10 11:25:26 AM  

doczoidberg: If unhealthy behavior is so lauded in America, then why is it illegal now to smoke practically anywhere?


I think the fact that there HAS to be laws against it should tell you everything you need to know about Americans.
 
2013-01-10 11:25:31 AM  

doczoidberg: If unhealthy behavior is so lauded in America, then why is it illegal now to smoke practically anywhere?


Because some whiny, albeit well intentioned, c*nts crawled up the politicians butts to get it banned in workplaces and restaurants/bars. That I have no problem with. But then they got drunk on their own self importance and kept kvetching and crying and the politicos went for the cheap and easy votes. It also had a side benefit of raking in another set of fines and allowed more intrusion into business owner and private citizens affairs. So instead of laws that makes sense and protect people in legitimate situations where the harmful effects of tobacco use are thrust upon those who opt not to smoke we can't even have completely sealed off, ventilated rooms that totally remove smoke from a public setting.

So essentially power tripping, greed, hysteria and ignorance is why. But heaven forbid anyone mentions that perhaps you should register you stockpile of of death inflicting boomsticks or teach kids to use condoms or pay for preventative healthcare.

What a great country!
 
2013-01-10 11:29:51 AM  

Diogenes: Yes please: Now this is a game with potential--
Nowhere else on earth would a man arrested for urinating on the subway complain about not being respected.

Nowhere else on earth would a woman with 15 kids and another on the way say, "Somebody needs to pay for all of this."


On that note, the "COPS" show could spinoff a "FLORIDA COPS" show, like the "Florida" tag on FARK.

But then all the other Farkers - I mean, cops - would be jealous.

/bad boys bad boys
 
2013-01-10 11:30:26 AM  
Well, you know our national motto: "Live fast, die young, leave a chubby corpse."
 
2013-01-10 11:32:00 AM  

sigdiamond2000: The Stealth Hippopotamus: sigdiamond2000: The Stealth Hippopotamus: And gold metals...

And education...

You *could* have read the very next post.

TOO LATE!


You *could* have gone with this:



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2013-01-10 11:33:53 AM  

here to help: or teach kids to use condoms


We fall behind in subjects like math, science and literacy........how well do you think those students will do in condoms 101?

Is that the subject the idiots the school system is churning out will be good at?...I doubt it.
 
2013-01-10 11:38:13 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: Nowhere else on earth would a first lady planting a vegetable garden be hysterically reported as a "war on cookies."


Is that all that caused it?
 
2013-01-10 11:41:11 AM  

Giltric: here to help: or teach kids to use condoms

We fall behind in subjects like math, science and literacy........how well do you think those students will do in condoms 101?

Is that the subject the idiots the school system is churning out will be good at?...I doubt it.


Talented, smart and driven people will overcome. Everyone else will just have to deal.
 
2013-01-10 11:42:59 AM  
I place primary blame on genetics/ethnic composition. Flame away.
 
2013-01-10 11:43:23 AM  

here to help: doczoidberg: If unhealthy behavior is so lauded in America, then why is it illegal now to smoke practically anywhere?

Because some whiny, albeit well intentioned, c*nts crawled up the politicians butts to get it banned in workplaces and restaurants/bars. That I have no problem with. But then they got drunk on their own self importance and kept kvetching and crying and the politicos went for the cheap and easy votes. It also had a side benefit of raking in another set of fines and allowed more intrusion into business owner and private citizens affairs. So instead of laws that makes sense and protect people in legitimate situations where the harmful effects of tobacco use are thrust upon those who opt not to smoke we can't even have completely sealed off, ventilated rooms that totally remove smoke from a public setting.

So essentially power tripping, greed, hysteria and ignorance is why. But heaven forbid anyone mentions that perhaps you should register you stockpile of of death inflicting boomsticks or teach kids to use condoms or pay for preventative healthcare.

What a great country!


I'm so sad that we're infringing upon your right to give others lung cancer. Let me break out my violin and play a song for you.
 
2013-01-10 11:43:48 AM  
And number 1 in reporting all these things that others countries do not or have differing thresholds for, but dont let that get in the way of your derp subby
 
2013-01-10 11:44:05 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: Nowhere else on earth would a first lady planting a vegetable garden be hysterically reported as a "war on cookies."


But I love cookies.
 
2013-01-10 11:46:11 AM  

FLMountainMan: I place primary blame on genetics/ethnic composition. Flame away.


I know, the Scots-Irish of Kentucky and West Virginia are dragging everyone else down.
 
2013-01-10 11:46:41 AM  
We're obese because our food tastes better than your food.
 
2013-01-10 11:48:23 AM  

Joe Blowme: And number 1 in reporting all these things that others countries do not or have differing thresholds for, but dont let that get in the way of your derp subby


No shiat.

Look at how other countries define live birth and infant mortality compared to he US. Some countries consider a baby that dies within 24 hours of birth to be a stillbirth. Others consider really premature babies to be excluded from the definition of live birth and/or infant mortality if they die. Virtually every fetus that emerges with a heartbeat is considered a live birth in this country.

It may not be the only reason, but may explain why we're 178 on that list and not say, 25 or something.
 
2013-01-10 11:52:00 AM  
Odd that some people blame this on everything but our culture of backasswards priorities, hedonism, lack of personal responsibility and consumerism.
 
2013-01-10 11:52:21 AM  
Who's to blame? According to the study's authors, American culture in general is at fault.


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-01-10 11:53:57 AM  
but but but we have the best healthcare system in the world!
 
2013-01-10 11:54:05 AM  

pedrop357: Joe Blowme: And number 1 in reporting all these things that others countries do not or have differing thresholds for, but dont let that get in the way of your derp subby

No shiat.

Look at how other countries define live birth and infant mortality compared to he US. Some countries consider a baby that dies within 24 hours of birth to be a stillbirth. Others consider really premature babies to be excluded from the definition of live birth and/or infant mortality if they die. Virtually every fetus that emerges with a heartbeat is considered a live birth in this country.

It may not be the only reason, but may explain why we're 178 on that list and not say, 25 or something.


This. Not to say there isn't a problem, but that explains a good part of it.

Citrate1007: Corporate Food, Abstinence Education, and Privatized Healthcare FTW.......keep us on top GOP.


Yeah, the Democrats are just totally blameless in all this.
 
2013-01-10 11:55:52 AM  
They forgot school shootings and reality TV.

USA! USA!
 
2013-01-10 11:56:22 AM  
Reverend Monkeypants 2013-01-10 11:53:57 AM

but but but we have the best healthcare system in the world!

------------

The best healthcare system in the world cannot prevent fat people from eating and people from farking without condoms.
 
2013-01-10 11:56:33 AM  

Joe Blowme: And number 1 in reporting all these things that others countries do not or have differing thresholds for, but dont let that get in the way of your derp subby


Different countries have very different standards for how to define "died in a car crash" and "shot to death". You can see where there's a lot of grey area, though.
 
2013-01-10 11:59:28 AM  

aedude01: I'm so sad that we're infringing upon your right to give others lung cancer. Let me break out my violin and play a song for you.


And how the f*ck are you getting cancer when I'm in a completely different room with all the smoke getting sucked out of it?

Goddamned whiner. Piss off.

BTW... I never smoke around non smokers without their express consent and even then I avoid it. I applauded the initial anti-smoking in bars/restaurant laws. They just got taken too far by idiots like you.
 
2013-01-10 11:59:39 AM  

Jake Steed: Reverend Monkeypants 2013-01-10 11:53:57 AM

but but but we have the best healthcare system in the world!
------------

The best healthcare system in the world cannot prevent fat people from eating and people from farking without condoms.


It can if we only get more authoritarian.
 
2013-01-10 12:20:41 PM  
So by cherry-picking 16 out of 195 countries, Gawker can craft a political hack of an article that Farkers lap right up?

/Seems legit
 
2013-01-10 12:25:59 PM  
The USA is like the retarded kid that everyone makes fun of, but is too retarded to realize that everyone's making fun of him.
 
kgf
2013-01-10 12:29:32 PM  
"Something fundamentally is going wrong to cause our country to lose ground against other high-income countries," Woolf added.

Yes, it's called Capitalism. All of those other countries are to varying degrees more socialist than the US is. Unfettered capitalism results in huge disparities in wealth and income, so with unfettered capitalism, there will always be a significant part of the population living in poverty, which in turn spawns crime, including violence, denies health care to many who need it, and limits educational choices.

Yes there are many other factors that play into this, but poverty is the thing that makes the other issues impossible to fix.

Capitalism is not a bad thing in and of itself, but left to run its course without restriction it will always result in a few rich and a lot of poor. We've been down this road before in the 1800's, which is why we have so many laws that "make it so difficult to do business" like anti-trust laws.

Just my opinion, but I think it's a good one. Fire away.
 
2013-01-10 12:34:03 PM  

kgf: "Something fundamentally is going wrong to cause our country to lose ground against other high-income countries," Woolf added.

Yes, it's called Capitalism. All of those other countries are to varying degrees more socialist than the US is. Unfettered capitalism results in huge disparities in wealth and income, so with unfettered capitalism, there will always be a significant part of the population living in poverty, which in turn spawns crime, including violence, denies health care to many who need it, and limits educational choices.

Yes there are many other factors that play into this, but poverty is the thing that makes the other issues impossible to fix.

Capitalism is not a bad thing in and of itself, but left to run its course without restriction it will always result in a few rich and a lot of poor. We've been down this road before in the 1800's, which is why we have so many laws that "make it so difficult to do business" like anti-trust laws.

Just my opinion, but I think it's a good one. Fire away.


Logic you have. Agree, the derp party will not.
 
2013-01-10 12:34:47 PM  

meathome: I loved that quote. Best comeback would have been "my generation didn't cause any of these problems, and it's not my generation that's fighting to maintain the status quo instead of trying to make things better. What's your excuse?"

I know it doesn't fit the theme for the show, but I think it would have made for a more interesting scene.

It would have made for a more interesting scene, but that wasn't the point. His response to her was based on the following:

1) Finally losing his carefully cultivated apathy (the epiphany that launched the show) in response to what was, in essence, a vapid discussion panel question to begin with.

2) It served to complete the cycle of the first season. While said college girl was originally was planning to sue him for emotional damage/humiliation, at the end of the season finale she shows up in his office applying for an intern job, saying that his speech motivated her to change. He hired her on the spot as the show ended.

Plus, even if she had given him a snappy comeback, his argument is still valid. If he's quoting statistics on education it most definitely affects her generation and the one following hers, because it would be her responsibility as a voter and a parent to prevent (for example) the teaching of the idea that the Flintstones is a true story in science classes and the perpetuity of an ineffectual government.
 
2013-01-10 12:36:48 PM  

Carousel Beast: So by cherry-picking 16 out of 195 countries, Gawker can craft a political hack of an article that Farkers lap right up?

/Seems legit


Am I reading a different thread than you?
 
2013-01-10 12:43:42 PM  
Anything to stop young people from voting for progressives is a good thing.
 
2013-01-10 12:45:51 PM  

kgf: Capitalism is not a bad thing in and of itself, but left to run its course without restriction it will always result in a few rich and a lot of poor. We've been down this road before in the 1800's, which is why we have so many laws that "make it so difficult to do business" like anti-trust laws.

Just my opinion, but I think it's a good one. Fire away.


When was the last time it ran its course without restriction?
 
2013-01-10 12:46:37 PM  

Diogenes: jaylectricity: Ironic that the nation with the most to live for isn't equipped to do so.

Hedonistic nihilism?


Welcome to your band name.
 
2013-01-10 12:49:12 PM  

Carousel Beast: So by cherry-picking 16 out of 195 countries, Gawker can craft a political hack of an article that Farkers lap right up?

/Seems legit


It's cherry picking to compare the US to places like Japan and Sweden instead of Burkina Faso and Bangladesh?
 
2013-01-10 12:51:08 PM  

you have pee hands: Joe Blowme: And number 1 in reporting all these things that others countries do not or have differing thresholds for, but dont let that get in the way of your derp subby

Different countries have very different standards for how to define "died in a car crash" and "shot to death". You can see where there's a lot of grey area, though.


Yep, just a while ago I read about this town where they had hardly any murder, but suicide was incredibly prevalent. It turned out that if you died after making "funny" remarks to ethnic groups or just walking in certain parts of town then they marked.it as suicide.
 
2013-01-10 12:53:21 PM  

DerAppie: Yep, just a while ago I read about this town where they had hardly any murder, but suicide was incredibly prevalent. It turned out that if you died after making "funny" remarks to ethnic groups or just walking in certain parts of town then they marked.it as suicide.


in that same vein, British police were found to be hiding crime numbers to make London look better.

We saw the same thing in some large cities and college towns where rapes were being categorized as 'assault' or some variation.
 
2013-01-10 12:54:59 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Best health care in the world!


LULZ!
 
2013-01-10 12:57:05 PM  

mytdawg: Oooh, I wanna play.

Nowhere else on earth would the 11 people that insist on calling it "the holidays" be waging a War On Christmas.

Nowhere else on earth would approximately half the politicians hold an entire economy hostage to protest a situation which they themselves had created.


They're all the same farking holiday. It's the solstice.
 
2013-01-10 12:59:37 PM  
So we overtook Australia again?
Link
 
2013-01-10 01:01:11 PM  

BgJonson79: Giltric: here to help: or teach kids to use condoms

We fall behind in subjects like math, science and literacy........how well do you think those students will do in condoms 101?

Is that the subject the idiots the school system is churning out will be good at?...I doubt it.

Talented, smart and driven people will overcome. Everyone else will just have to deal.


Well, that's been the story line, anyway. Entropic societies are a sign that the scum are rising to the top, not the cream.
 
2013-01-10 01:01:30 PM  

DerAppie: Yep, just a while ago I read about this town where they had hardly any murder, but suicide was incredibly prevalent. It turned out that if you died after making "funny" remarks to ethnic groups or just walking in certain parts of town then they marked.it as suicide.


I read about that exact same town. It was a Harlan Ellison fictional short story, right?
 
2013-01-10 01:03:11 PM  
The stats will be better once the Feds put those chips in us. Obey!
 
2013-01-10 01:06:56 PM  
Well we are fat because we have too much money to spend on junk.food, STDs are high because all the sexy people live here, and the only reason infant mortality rates are high is because we try to save children that would he classified as stillborns in most nations. Hell, it wasn't that long ago that they had a lot here as well, now we try to save them and that's not a bad thing.
 
2013-01-10 01:09:22 PM  

moothemagiccow: They're all the same farking holiday. It's the solstice.


But they're all several days apart! Next you'll try to tell me that it's not unusual for holidays to move around a bit over thousands of years.

I'm pretty confident that all the ancient scholars and priests who were in charge of deciding when the holy days should be observed had no trouble going to wikipedia to find documentation for all various calendar modifications, replacements, and translations that they had to constantly deal with. And if their calendar ever started to drift, they could just call up the US Naval Observatory and ask exactly what day the solstice would occur on for the next 10 years. And I'm sure that no politician in the history of the world has ever moved a holiday a few days to make it line up with some other event.

No, it's very clear to me that the Winter Solstice, Christmas, and New Years are three entirely different and totally unrelated events.
 
2013-01-10 01:09:33 PM  
Well, that's simple! Just have your lord and master O-butthole ban Obeisity, Dying youg, and STD's. Even better if it's through prezudemtial degree.

Problum solvified.

DEHUUURRRR...

MOAR OBEISE STD RIDDEN DEAD YOUNG PEOPLE!.... DEHURRRRR.....
 
2013-01-10 01:09:50 PM  
HMS_Blinkin: "This should surprise no one. Old people vote, and politicians make sure that old people get exactly what they want."

It's not even that old people get exactly what they want. It's just that they are ensured the services of a modern, civilized society, while the young are not.
Old people have universal healthcare. Young people do not.
Old people have a universal social safety net. Young people do not.
That does a lot for life expectancy.

The programs that *do* (attempt to) assist (some of) the young people, are regularly demonized and cut and loaded up with byzantine qualifications and limitations and re-examinations in the name of denying "gifts" to "freeloaders". Where they still exist, they're under constant attack and very much subject to political whim.

It ain't all rosy for the olds though. At least, not for future generations of olds.
Half the country is practically salivating at the opportunity to claw those service levels down to spare rich people from so much as having their favorite tax loopholes closed.
So the future for their life expectancy is going to start comparing to other rich nations more the way youth life expectancy does today.

/ they used to joke "Detroit: where the weak are killed and eaten".
// but the real punchline is that's pretty much how the *entire country* operates.
/// where "weak" == "not-rich"
 
2013-01-10 01:10:41 PM  

BolshyGreatYarblocks: BgJonson79: Giltric: here to help: or teach kids to use condoms

We fall behind in subjects like math, science and literacy........how well do you think those students will do in condoms 101?

Is that the subject the idiots the school system is churning out will be good at?...I doubt it.

Talented, smart and driven people will overcome. Everyone else will just have to deal.

Well, that's been the story line, anyway. Entropic societies are a sign that the scum are rising to the top, not the cream.


Are we really falling apart, or are these issues just inevitable adjustments as society progresses?
 
2013-01-10 01:14:16 PM  

tricycleracer: Yosemite?!!!


A sorority girl, going to college, what was it, Northwestern? Doesn't matter. A good college. A sorority girl at a college you've heard of attends a panel featuring a trio of talking heads. These people are deep into politics. They're regulars on CNN. I'm going to assume the tickets were limited. You know, line up at 10am to get tickets to see self-described eggheads bicker. Now this young woman, whose presence at the event is for the moment inexplicable, finds it in herself to stand up behind 10 other people during the closing Q&A (she sat through an hour of this already) and ask a question. It's probably the most insipid question you could ask of anyone involved in US politics. But she gets up, goes to the mic and thinks these people she's likely unfamiliar with will have a good answer for it and everyone will appreciate her input.

I know Sorkin writes fiction. That's ok. What I don't understand is why he writes fantasy. The story of how that girl got into that room and asked that question is far more interesting than the story of the guy who got paid $10,000 to show up at the school and yell facts at her. The guy who "just decided to" do the news "right" because a story fell in an underling's lap.
 
2013-01-10 01:18:47 PM  
It forgot to mention that we are number 1 in incarcerations and putting people to death. We lead in sentencing minors to life in prison. If we want to solve all the problems in the article, we need to put more people to death. Either that or give everybody guns with a bullet in the chamber and tell them it's safe to put it to their head and shoot it because it won't go off.
 
2013-01-10 01:20:58 PM  

The Larch: DerAppie: Yep, just a while ago I read about this town where they had hardly any murder, but suicide was incredibly prevalent. It turned out that if you died after making "funny" remarks to ethnic groups or just walking in certain parts of town then they marked.it as suicide.

I read about that exact same town. It was a Harlan Ellison fictional short story, right?


Nope, it wasn't a Harlan Ellsion fictional short story.

/Just don't order a short
//And don't go where the sun doesn't shine
 
2013-01-10 01:28:00 PM  

you have pee hands: Joe Blowme: And number 1 in reporting all these things that others countries do not or have differing thresholds for, but dont let that get in the way of your derp subby

Different countries have very different standards for how to define "died in a car crash" and "shot to death". You can see where there's a lot of grey area, though.


I agree there are a lot of grey areas: Infant mortality (what is considered a live birth), what constitutes healthcare spending (pretty obvious), and educational rankings among 8th graders (several countries have a considerable dropout rate before 8th grade).

Life expectancy at age 60 is easier to define, and we do pretty well there. Literacy is another; we do very well there. Car accidents, well, we're 16th (out of 38 countries with data collected) in terms of fatailities per billion miles travelled; however, we have a lot more highways than most other countries.

I'll claim we're number 1 in the size of our economy (yes, even today), scientific research, amount of humanitarian foreign aid, and in number of military interventions for humanitarian reasons (i.e. without financial or territorial gain).
 
2013-01-10 01:30:09 PM  
Came for Ke$ha.
Also, Came on Ke$ha
 
2013-01-10 01:33:10 PM  

DerAppie: The Larch: DerAppie: Yep, just a while ago I read about this town where they had hardly any murder, but suicide was incredibly prevalent. It turned out that if you died after making "funny" remarks to ethnic groups or just walking in certain parts of town then they marked.it as suicide.

I read about that exact same town. It was a Harlan Ellison fictional short story, right?

Nope, it wasn't a Harlan Ellsion fictional short story.


Was it J G Ballard? I bet you're describing a J G Ballard fictional short story.

Or maybe I'm thinking of some of the older dystopian science fiction. Are you talking about those fictional towns in the Lovecraft stories?

Don't keep me in suspense! What was the name of the town?
 
2013-01-10 01:58:06 PM  

The Larch: DerAppie: The Larch: DerAppie: Yep, just a while ago I read about this town where they had hardly any murder, but suicide was incredibly prevalent. It turned out that if you died after making "funny" remarks to ethnic groups or just walking in certain parts of town then they marked.it as suicide.

I read about that exact same town. It was a Harlan Ellison fictional short story, right?

Nope, it wasn't a Harlan Ellsion fictional short story.

Was it J G Ballard? I bet you're describing a J G Ballard fictional short story.

Or maybe I'm thinking of some of the older dystopian science fiction. Are you talking about those fictional towns in the Lovecraft stories?

Don't keep me in suspense! What was the name of the town?


Ankh-Morpork.

Ordering a short in a dwarf bar is suicide. And where the sun doesn't shine is the shade -> stay out of the Shades.
 
2013-01-10 02:44:03 PM  

pedrop357: kgf: Capitalism is not a bad thing in and of itself, but left to run its course without restriction it will always result in a few rich and a lot of poor. We've been down this road before in the 1800's, which is why we have so many laws that "make it so difficult to do business" like anti-trust laws.

Just my opinion, but I think it's a good one. Fire away.

When was the last time it ran its course without restriction?


2008. See also "subprime loan crisis," "housing bubble," "Lehman Bros. Inc."
 
2013-01-10 03:00:35 PM  

DerAppie: The Larch: DerAppie: The Larch: DerAppie: Yep, just a while ago I read about this town where they had hardly any murder, but suicide was incredibly prevalent. It turned out that if you died after making "funny" remarks to ethnic groups or just walking in certain parts of town then they marked.it as suicide.

I read about that exact same town. It was a Harlan Ellison fictional short story, right?

Nope, it wasn't a Harlan Ellsion fictional short story.

Was it J G Ballard? I bet you're describing a J G Ballard fictional short story.

Or maybe I'm thinking of some of the older dystopian science fiction. Are you talking about those fictional towns in the Lovecraft stories?

Don't keep me in suspense! What was the name of the town?

Ankh-Morpork.

Ordering a short in a dwarf bar is suicide. And where the sun doesn't shine is the shade -> stay out of the Shades.


I love you for this reference.
 
2013-01-10 03:36:34 PM  
It's like winning #1 Party University but for a whole country.
 
2013-01-10 04:15:22 PM  

TheHighlandHowler: Freedom has its costs.


Came for this. Probably the biggest cost is forgetting the role of responsibility in the cost of that freedom, although one could make the connection from one's first hangover.
 
2013-01-10 04:47:06 PM  
I was going to post a link to a more solemn (and objective) article on this same report published yesterday on Science Daily's website.

The point I wish to emphasize (and which should be compared with the comments in the article thread and here on Fark) is that the report establishes once again that

* even if you are male
* even if you are white
* even if you are a fully-employed, well-paid professional or executive working with a good corporation with good benefits
* even if you have good health insurance
* even if you do not smoke
* even if you do not drink or do drugs
* even if you are not obese
* even if you are in the prime of life and the prime of your earning years

and so forth, through a long list of caveats, the American is less healthy than people in these other high-income countries

* even though they are not over-medicated
* even though even Canadians don't pay half as much for health care as Americans do
* even though they are not over-tested on fancy expensive MRI and other machines that go ping
* even though wait times for some procedures and treatments are longer

The US does have a lot of poor people and disproportionately they are non-white. But even the Man is sickly.

There is no simple explanation for why Americans are less healthy than Europeans. Maybe it is because they are immigrants to a new and hostile Continent. Maybe it is largely a matter of culture (i.e, of Southerners and Westerners against the more European North Easterners).

There's not a world of difference between the US-Canada border States and Provinces. And in fact, their health care systems and results are much closer together, as are their life expectancies. But in some ways Alberta is more liberal than Massachusetts and New Brunswick a Hell of a lot less conservative than Louisiana or even Maine (both Maine and New Brunswick are about 35% French by ancestry, by the way).

and so forth.

In short, left wing and right wing and centrist Americans alike tend to blame factors which, although they admitedly add to the health problems of Americans, fail to totally explain away the difference in health outcomes in the USA and the rest of the wealthy world.

In other words, this report, like many before it, takes into consideration many factors such as poverty, race, ethnicity, education, etc. AND WHEN THEY HAVE ALL BEEN ELIMINATED, AMERICANS STILL DO WORSE.

There have been studies which compared well-to-do. well-educated professional white males in the US and Canada, the US and the UK, etc. And the Americans still have worse health.

There have been studies which eliminate the obese, the smokers, gun violence, drugs, etc. And the Americans still have worse health.

No doubt each of these factors contribute to the ill-health of some people. I am white and male, but I am overweight and a touch asthmatic or possibly have a touch of COPD from exposure to other people's smoking and to wood furnaces and fireplaces and stoves as a child. Compare me to a similar American, matching each of these factors, and the American will lose.

This has been true for a long time apparently. Visitors to the US noted that Americans were pallid, over-worked, rushed and sickly looking--in the early 1800s. Perhaps there are forms of stress which Americans create for themselves which can't easily be attributed to race, income, wealth or ethnicity. Perhaps Americans are just a bit more driven. But comparisons of such things as leisure, workaholism, productivity and such are ambiguous. Even though they have long vacations and take them, the French and Germans tend to put in the hours and buckle down hard during the shorter period of time they work. They produce a bit less, perhaps, but many Europeans work just as hard as Americans and when you adjust the populations to match in such terms, the Europeans are still healthier.

I must emphasize that explanations based on poverty and such are employed by both American liberals and conservatives, and both are more or less equally wrong in believing that poverty is a key factor. The evidence does not show that any one factor is determinant. You can compare people of equal status and income, intelligence and productivity and there is a gap. There is always a gap, although naturally it is much smaller if you eliminate a lot of the factors.

Wealthy White Americans are way richer and have way better life chances than poor non-white Americans, and they are even richer and inherit far more privilege and status and well-being than rich white Europeans or Canadians. The GINI coefficient and the Great Gatsby Curve (look that up) point to greater inequality in America than in Canada, less opportunities for social or economic advancement (although it is the US that has the myth of Opportunity and Entreprenuerialism). But that alone can not explain what is wrong with America's health. Because, although a couple of US states have life expectancies as good or slightly better than Canada as a whole (note Canada has poor areas and poor people as well as the US), Canadians as a whole still do better than Americans as a whole, even without the blacks, even without the illegals or the native Hispanics, even without the dirt poor hillbillies and the urban underclass.

I can list quite a number of reforms which would probably help equalize American health with the rest of the rich world. You need to reform medicare, medicaid and a lot of other welfare programmes. You need to equalize outcomes (economic, political, and social as well as medical) more. You need to be more like Europe or Canada or Australia if you want to have the same results.

But it is certainly not a simple and clear-cut problem, and your politics are part of the problem, not the solution.
 
2013-01-10 05:02:00 PM  
Too much advertising.

Every ad for a drug or treatment lists a long list of possible side-effects. This list always includes all of the symptoms of the disease or disorder being treated. It always includes death. In fact, it includes everything they think you might ever sue them for.

Clearly this means that every disease or disorder has all of the symptoms of every other disease and disorder, and that the medicine to cure the disease replicates this list of symptoms perfectly.

The more medicine they try to sell you on TV, the sicker you are.

In fact, America may be the only country in the world where you can die of hypochondria without having any disease or treatment at all.
 
2013-01-10 05:54:43 PM  

brantgoose: ... words ...


Well, damn. Now I'm depressed.
 
2013-01-10 06:12:24 PM  
Health care should be expensive and shoddy for poor people, and high-quality and free for the rich. Otherwise, there's no incentive to improve yourself, and we encourage laziness.
 
2013-01-10 06:48:46 PM  

Rindred: 2008. See also "subprime loan crisis," "housing bubble," "Lehman Bros. Inc."


There were tons of restrictions and enabling regulations for everything that happened.

I like this idea on both sides that somehow the Democrats and Republicans who passed the laws, embraced the regulations, and were happy to have that extra tax money had nothing whatsoever to do with what happened and now blame the "unconstrained market".
 
2013-01-10 10:48:29 PM  
Health care is business. All health care facilities are businesses trying to make a profit. So they do recommend more things to build profit. But another angle is that medical malpractice lawsuits usually give out extremely high sums. So doctors and other practitioners practice defensive medicine rather than preventative medicine. They order extra testing and alert you to possible health issues, however minute, to avoid lawsuits and to get money.
 
2013-01-10 11:06:22 PM  
Anybody know how we rank on mass murderers and serial killers?
 
2013-01-10 11:08:55 PM  

albertalaska: Anybody know how we rank on mass murderers and serial killers?


Is there a time frame, and is the government ineligible? If no and no, then Stalin and Hitler are contenders.
 
2013-01-11 01:48:18 AM  
yeah, but you gotta take into account the demographics that bring our average way down. i bet if you corrected the US stats for demographics then you would get much better numbers. of course, you would have to change this into a more serious conversation to do it. alot of people would get mad and offended.
 
2013-01-11 10:14:13 AM  

brantgoose: I was going to post a link to a more solemn (and objective) article on this same report published yesterday on Science Daily's website.



Thanks! Interesting read.

May I suggest another article for you that might help explain Japan's seemingly incredible lifespan?

More than 230,000 elderly people in Japan who are listed as being aged 100 or over are unaccounted for, officials said following a nationwide inquiry.

An audit of family registries was launched last month after the remains of the man thought to be Tokyo's oldest were found at his family home.

Relatives are accused of fraudulently receiving his pension for decades.

Officials have found that hundreds of the missing would be at least 150 years old if still alive.


Link
 
2013-01-11 02:11:39 PM  

computerguyUT: Well, that's simple! Just have your lord and master O-butthole ban Obeisity, Dying youg, and STD's. Even better if it's through prezudemtial degree.

Problum solvified.

DEHUUURRRR...

MOAR OBEISE STD RIDDEN DEAD YOUNG PEOPLE!.... DEHURRRRR.....



Your technique is far more annoying than amusing. You didn't even pick a side of the "argument" in your completely inarticulate abortion of an attempt at parody.

I bet your house smells like a combination of mildew, ammonia and chicken grease.
 
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