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(Politico)   I wouldn't say Biden's talk with the NRA on gun control won't go well, but Fark would have a better chance of buying him a T-bird and having him wash it on the front lawn of the White House   (politico.com) divider line 257
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2013-01-10 07:56:09 AM
"T-Bird"?

Wait, is it one of those ones from the 60s with the swing away steering column?

And if not, can we take up a collection to buy Alan Kulwicki's Underbird for him?

www.underbird.com
 
2013-01-10 08:02:01 AM
It was a Trans Am subby. We were trying to reward the man, not punish him.
 
2013-01-10 08:06:44 AM
Well then, fark'em.
 
2013-01-10 08:14:05 AM
Here's how I think it will go

Biden: Here's what we're going to do.

NRA: *facts*

Biden: *Hold's up pics of dead children* don't care

NRA: *facts*

Biden: GTFO of my office
 
2013-01-10 08:14:44 AM

EyeballKid: Well then, fark'em.


Yup. If they don't want to sit down and help craft reasonable, meaningful legislation that helps keep guns out of the hands of psychopaths then they don't get to complain when whatever happens happens. Enough people want some kind of reform that some kind of reform is going to happen. The gun "enthusiasts" can either start being part of the solution or they can continue to be a part of the problem.
 
2013-01-10 08:14:54 AM
The NRA is evil.

It's an organization that fights for Americans to keep the rights given to them in the constitution.

Evil bastards.
 
2013-01-10 08:15:45 AM

Fail in Human Form: Here's how I think it will go

Biden: Here's what we're going to do.

NRA: *misinterpretation of facts followed by a truckload of bullshiat*

Biden: *Hold's up pics of dead children* don't care

NRA: *misinterpretation of

 facts followed by a truckload of bullshiat *

Biden: GTFO of my office


/Don't forget who we're talking about here.
 
2013-01-10 08:19:57 AM

YodaBlues: Fail in Human Form: Here's how I think it will go

Biden: Here's what we're going to do.

NRA: *misinterpretation of facts followed by a truckload of bullshiat*

Biden: *Hold's up pics of dead children* don't care

NRA: *misinterpretation of facts followed by a truckload of bullshiat *

Biden: GTFO of my office

/Don't forget who we're talking about here.


Not liking the facts they present because it doesn't fit your agenda isn't misinterpretation of said facts.

/If you want to see people who have PROVENLY liked and made up facts check out the VPC
 
2013-01-10 08:19:58 AM
media.10news.com

"Listen up, you primitive screwheads..."
 
2013-01-10 08:20:36 AM
Of course it will fail, you can't reason with lunatics.
 
2013-01-10 08:22:25 AM

Fail in Human Form: YodaBlues: Fail in Human Form: Here's how I think it will go

Biden: Here's what we're going to do.

NRA: *misinterpretation of facts followed by a truckload of bullshiat*

Biden: *Hold's up pics of dead children* don't care

NRA: *misinterpretation of facts followed by a truckload of bullshiat *

Biden: GTFO of my office

/Don't forget who we're talking about here.

Not liking the facts they present because it doesn't fit your agenda isn't misinterpretation of said facts.

/If you want to see people who have PROVENLY liked and made up facts check out the VPC


You may have point, unfortunately the NRA has never presented anything resembling a fact, so we may never know.
 
2013-01-10 08:24:10 AM

YodaBlues: You may have point, unfortunately the NRA has never presented anything resembling a fact, so we may never know.


Repeating that line doesn't make it any more accurate.
 
2013-01-10 08:24:38 AM

Fail in Human Form: Not liking the facts they present because it doesn't fit your agenda isn't misinterpretation of said facts.

/If you want to see people who have PROVENLY liked and made up facts check out the VPC


Dude, you're just talking about the NRA. Have you actually looked at the facts? Obama was never gonna take your guns. Even after 20 dead children, they still don't want to take your guns. Maybe restrict what you can get and how many, but they aren't gonna force you to give up what you have for the sake of dictatorship or something

/provenly?
 
2013-01-10 08:26:21 AM

somedude210: Fail in Human Form: Not liking the facts they present because it doesn't fit your agenda isn't misinterpretation of said facts.

/If you want to see people who have PROVENLY liked and made up facts check out the VPC

Dude, you're just talking about the NRA. Have you actually looked at the facts? Obama was never gonna take your guns. Even after 20 dead children, they still don't want to take your guns. Maybe restrict what you can get and how many, but they aren't gonna force you to give up what you have for the sake of dictatorship or something

/provenly?


Google it, they've also said that because of the "seriousness of the issue" fudging the facts is acceptable to accomplish their goal.

/The NRA depends on their credibility, if they got caught in a lie they'd be toast.
 
2013-01-10 08:26:43 AM

YodaBlues: Fail in Human Form: YodaBlues: Fail in Human Form: Here's how I think it will go

Biden: Here's what we're going to do.

NRA: *misinterpretation of facts followed by a truckload of bullshiat*

Biden: *Hold's up pics of dead children* don't care

NRA: *misinterpretation of facts followed by a truckload of bullshiat *

Biden: GTFO of my office

/Don't forget who we're talking about here.

Not liking the facts they present because it doesn't fit your agenda isn't misinterpretation of said facts.

/If you want to see people who have PROVENLY liked and made up facts check out the VPC

You may have point, unfortunately the NRA has never presented anything resembling a fact, so we may never know.


I think it's fairly telling that "helping to craft meaningful legislation to prevent the deaths of innocent victims at the hands of irresponsible gun owners" isn't on the NRA's agenda.

They love them some gun deaths, which is why they all run out to purchase the latest, proven efficient mass killing device after these shootings and then complain about the increased cost of said mass killing device.
 
2013-01-10 08:26:51 AM
*Insert quip about "IF WE MAKE MORE LAWS, THEN ONLY CRIMINALS WILL HAVE TEH GUNZ!"

Hey, guess where criminals get their guns from? Stealing from law-abiding citizens, and/or stores that stock guns.

God, if we got rid of the War on Drugs and diverted that money towards bringing the hammer down on illegal gun sales/theft rings/etc... I would love to see what our gun violence statistics would be after that.
 
2013-01-10 08:28:27 AM

Fail in Human Form: somedude210: Fail in Human Form: Not liking the facts they present because it doesn't fit your agenda isn't misinterpretation of said facts.

/If you want to see people who have PROVENLY liked and made up facts check out the VPC

Dude, you're just talking about the NRA. Have you actually looked at the facts? Obama was never gonna take your guns. Even after 20 dead children, they still don't want to take your guns. Maybe restrict what you can get and how many, but they aren't gonna force you to give up what you have for the sake of dictatorship or something

/provenly?

Google it, they've also said that because of the "seriousness of the issue" fudging the facts is acceptable to accomplish their goal.

/The NRA depends on their credibility, if they got caught in a lie they'd be toast.


So, you are like a low-budget Pocket Ninja is that it?
 
2013-01-10 08:28:59 AM

somedude210: Obama was never gonna take your guns. Even after 20 dead children, they still don't want to take your guns. Maybe restrict what you can get and how many, but they aren't gonna force you to give up what you have for the sake of dictatorship or something


The fact that a sitting congresswoman was shot in the head and nothing happened should also be a clue that no one wants to take your guns.
 
2013-01-10 08:29:20 AM

AdmirableSnackbar: YodaBlues: Fail in Human Form: YodaBlues: Fail in Human Form: Here's how I think it will go

Biden: Here's what we're going to do.

NRA: *misinterpretation of facts followed by a truckload of bullshiat*

Biden: *Hold's up pics of dead children* don't care

NRA: *misinterpretation of facts followed by a truckload of bullshiat *

Biden: GTFO of my office

/Don't forget who we're talking about here.

Not liking the facts they present because it doesn't fit your agenda isn't misinterpretation of said facts.

/If you want to see people who have PROVENLY liked and made up facts check out the VPC

You may have point, unfortunately the NRA has never presented anything resembling a fact, so we may never know.

I think it's fairly telling that "helping to craft meaningful legislation to prevent the deaths of innocent victims at the hands of irresponsible gun owners" isn't on the NRA's agenda.

They love them some gun deaths, which is why they all run out to purchase the latest, proven efficient mass killing device after these shootings and then complain about the increased cost of said mass killing device.


I think you've got it backwards there. It was groups like the VPC that were doing handstands after these shootings because it made them relevant again.

/Legislation passed from an emotional basis always ends badly
//See the PATRIOT ACT
 
2013-01-10 08:29:23 AM
FTFA: "Wal-Mart sells a lot of guns, and has a lot of gun owners for customers

be very afraid.
 
2013-01-10 08:29:58 AM
Shameful. That the administration, with the help of their media friends, would use a tragedy like the school shooting to distract the public from the economic suck is shameful.

Fix the farking economy you useless f#ck-wits.
 
2013-01-10 08:31:31 AM
How this meeting goes...

Biden: We want sensible solutions to the problem of gun violence in America
NRA: What problem?
Biden: "holds up pictures from every gun massacre in the last decade"
NRA: ban video games
Biden: No I said sensible solutions
NRA: Ban Gun Buybacks!!!
Biden: Arebyou even listening?
NRA: MANDATE THREE GUNS IN EVERY HOUSEHOLD AND EVERYONE IS REQUIRED TO CARRY A GUN AT ALL TIMES!
 
2013-01-10 08:31:55 AM

Close2TheEdge: So, you are like a low-budget Pocket Ninja is that it?


My prose aren't that elegant lol.
 
2013-01-10 08:33:07 AM

Close2TheEdge: So, you are like a low-budget Pocket Ninja is that it?


Check his login, he's quite obviously not serious. At times his satire can be quite amusing. At others it kind of falls flat. This thread is the latter.
 
2013-01-10 08:33:47 AM

Fail in Human Form: YodaBlues: You may have point, unfortunately the NRA has never presented anything resembling a fact, so we may never know.

Repeating that line doesn't make it any more accurate.


Lies.

Lies.

Misrepresentations of Facts.
 
2013-01-10 08:35:16 AM

Fail in Human Form: YodaBlues: You may have point, unfortunately the NRA has never presented anything resembling a fact, so we may never know.

Repeating that line doesn't make it any more accurate.


Repeating that line doesn't make it any more accurate.
 
2013-01-10 08:37:19 AM

timswar: Biden: We want sensible solutions to the problem of gun violence in America
NRA: What problem?
Biden: "holds up pictures from every gun massacre in the last decade"


I think this really is a disconnect - the vast majority of gun violence has nothing to do with crazy people going on a rampage with 'assault weapons'. It's handgun crime, and a whole lot of it is gang violence usually relating to drugs. Out of the 11,000 gun homicides every year, something like 500 are from any kind of rifle, with even fewer being 'assault weapons'.
 
2013-01-10 08:37:24 AM
A lot of gun control legislation is a knee jerk reaction to some event that only inconveniences legal owners but doesn't stop the problems we have with guns. When drive by shoots were all the rage a legislator in my state proposed making having a loaded gun in a vehicle a moving violation. I guess the idea if the idea of killing some one in cold blood doesn't stop you then the idea of higher insurance rates for four years will.

Saying no to any and every idea keeps the NRA from limiting inconveniences to its members.
 
2013-01-10 08:37:54 AM
Fail in Human Form:

The NRA does not now, nor has it ever, deal in facts. That's just now what they do. They are a niche shill organization which, in a bit of humorous juxtaposition to your assertion that Biden will use emotion, has been scaring gun owners into spending more and more for no reason.
 
2013-01-10 08:37:56 AM
Yes, like Zeb Hesselgresser said, pay no mind to the heap of dead children. Lets focus our tunnel vision somewhere else.
 
2013-01-10 08:38:05 AM

YodaBlues: Misrepresentations of Facts.


#1 Accurate if the new "AW Ban passes as it and look at the president's stance on the issues prior to becoming president

#2 Accurate, given that almost every rifle round will go through a vest and he supported a permanent AW ban

#3 Again, look at his stance on the AW Ban

/Look at what these people say prior to the campaigns when they know they have to "pander" to gun owners.
 
2013-01-10 08:39:15 AM

sprawl15: timswar: Biden: We want sensible solutions to the problem of gun violence in America
NRA: What problem?
Biden: "holds up pictures from every gun massacre in the last decade"

I think this really is a disconnect - the vast majority of gun violence has nothing to do with crazy people going on a rampage with 'assault weapons'. It's handgun crime, and a whole lot of it is gang violence usually relating to drugs. Out of the 11,000 gun homicides every year, something like 500 are from any kind of rifle, with even fewer being 'assault weapons'.


That's true, of course. Something like 34 people a day die to gun violence in America. Unfortunately it's hard to get pictures of them all or that's what should be held up.

When things kill at that rate in this country we usually research how to stop the problem.
 
2013-01-10 08:39:32 AM

sprawl15: timswar: Biden: We want sensible solutions to the problem of gun violence in America
NRA: What problem?
Biden: "holds up pictures from every gun massacre in the last decade"

I think this really is a disconnect - the vast majority of gun violence has nothing to do with crazy people going on a rampage with 'assault weapons'. It's handgun crime, and a whole lot of it is gang violence usually relating to drugs. Out of the 11,000 gun homicides every year, something like 500 are from any kind of rifle, with even fewer being 'assault weapons'.


Unfortunately, nobody on the pro-gun side of things wants to solve this. They want to deflect to Mental Health and "DON'T TAKE MY GUNS COMMIE," ignoring ANY real solutions to the huge numbers of illegal weapons, mostly handguns, that account for most murders.

In the interest of fairness, you don't hear enough of this from the "other side" of the table either.
 
2013-01-10 08:40:05 AM

LasersHurt: Fail in Human Form:

The NRA does not now, nor has it ever, deal in facts. That's just now what they do. They are a niche shill organization which, in a bit of humorous juxtaposition to your assertion that Biden will use emotion, has been scaring gun owners into spending more and more for no reason.


People are panic buying because of the possibility of the executive orders and possible new restrictions coming down the pipe

/But he's not coming for your guns, well my guns...sure, but not the "hunting guns"
 
2013-01-10 08:41:15 AM

Fail in Human Form: /Look at what these people say prior to the campaigns when they know they have to "pander" to gun owners.


I prefer to look at what people actually DO. Keeps me more sane.
 
2013-01-10 08:42:19 AM

Fail in Human Form: Google it Study it out, they've also said that because of the "seriousness of the issue" fudging the facts is acceptable to accomplish their goal.

/The NRA depends on their credibility, if they got caught in a lie they'd be toast.



Here's an easy one: Blaming school shootings on violent video games.

videogames.procon.org

Violent juvenile crime in the US has declined as violent video game popularity has increased. Arrests of juveniles for murder has decreased 71.9% from 1995 to 2008. All juvenile arrests for violent crime has declined 49.3% while video game sales more than quadrupled in the same time.

And yet here's NRA director Wayne LaPierre spouting bullsh*t...

Through vicious, violent video games with names like Bulletstorm, Grand Theft Auto, Mortal Kombat and Splatterhouse. And here's one: it's called Kindergarten Killers. It's been online for 10 years. How come my research department could find it and all of yours either couldn't or didn't want anyone to know you had found it?

=Smidge=
 
2013-01-10 08:42:20 AM

Fail in Human Form: /The NRA depends on their credibility, if they got caught in a lie they'd be toast.


I'm sorry, that got a laugh out of me. Stop it, you're killing me

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jun/14/natio na l-rifle-association/barack-obama-coming-after-guns-under-radar-nra-say /

tell me again how Obama is coming to get your guns again?
 
2013-01-10 08:43:01 AM

Fail in Human Form: YodaBlues: Misrepresentations of Facts.

#1 Accurate if the new "AW Ban passes as it and look at the president's stance on the issues prior to becoming president

#2 Accurate, given that almost every rifle round will go through a vest and he supported a permanent AW ban

#3 Again, look at his stance on the AW Ban

/Look at what these people say prior to the campaigns when they know they have to "pander" to gun owners.

Not liking the facts I present because it doesn't fit your agenda isn't misinterpretation of said facts.

 

With every post, your user name becomes more and more appropriate.
 
2013-01-10 08:43:20 AM

Cheron: A lot of gun control legislation is a knee jerk reaction to some event that only inconveniences legal owners but doesn't stop the problems we have with guns. When drive by shoots were all the rage a legislator in my state proposed making having a loaded gun in a vehicle a moving violation. I guess the idea if the idea of killing some one in cold blood doesn't stop you then the idea of higher insurance rates for four years will.

Saying no to any and every idea keeps the NRA from limiting inconveniences to its members.


Fark their inconvenience. Their inconvenience would be the only way to stop guns getting into the hands of criminals. The only way to do that is to make "responsible" gun owners accountable for what happens when their guns fall into the wrong hands. It's a slight inconvenience, but if they would rather have ongoing mass shootings than be inconvenienced then they don't deserve a seat at the table when the adults are talking.
 
2013-01-10 08:44:09 AM

YodaBlues: Fail in Human Form: YodaBlues: Misrepresentations of Facts.

#1 Accurate if the new "AW Ban passes as it and look at the president's stance on the issues prior to becoming president

#2 Accurate, given that almost every rifle round will go through a vest and he supported a permanent AW ban

#3 Again, look at his stance on the AW Ban

/Look at what these people say prior to the campaigns when they know they have to "pander" to gun owners.

Not liking the facts I present because it doesn't fit your agenda isn't misinterpretation of said facts.
With every post, your user name becomes more and more appropriate.


Well then, show me the error of my ways oh wise one.
 
2013-01-10 08:44:11 AM

YodaBlues: Fail in Human Form: YodaBlues: Misrepresentations of Facts.

#1 Accurate if the new "AW Ban passes as it and look at the president's stance on the issues prior to becoming president

#2 Accurate, given that almost every rifle round will go through a vest and he supported a permanent AW ban

#3 Again, look at his stance on the AW Ban

/Look at what these people say prior to the campaigns when they know they have to "pander" to gun owners.


Not liking the facts I present because it doesn't fit your agenda isn't misinterpretation of said facts.

With every post, your user name becomes more and more appropriate.


/Italic fail
 
2013-01-10 08:44:37 AM
I'm constantly amazed how many of these gun nut dipshiat have suddenly caught religion concerning government funded mental health services. I thought you assholes were against that sort of socialism.
 
2013-01-10 08:45:02 AM

somedude210: Fail in Human Form: /The NRA depends on their credibility, if they got caught in a lie they'd be toast.

I'm sorry, that got a laugh out of me. Stop it, you're killing me

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jun/14/natio na l-rifle-association/barack-obama-coming-after-guns-under-radar-nra-say /

tell me again how Obama is coming to get your guns again?


asked and answered
 
2013-01-10 08:45:20 AM
FTA: " Wal-Mart wants to be helpful to the White House, but "when it contradicts sales, that's where it stops."

That statement is depressing.
 
2013-01-10 08:45:52 AM

Johnny Swank: I'm constantly amazed how many of these gun nut dipshiat have suddenly caught religion concerning government funded mental health services. I thought you assholes were against that sort of socialism.


I supported single payer, swing and a miss

/Liberal "gun nut"
 
2013-01-10 08:45:55 AM

LasersHurt: Unfortunately, nobody on the pro-gun side of things wants to solve this. They want to deflect to Mental Health and "DON'T TAKE MY GUNS COMMIE," ignoring ANY real solutions to the huge numbers of illegal weapons, mostly handguns, that account for most murders.

In the interest of fairness, you don't hear enough of this from the "other side" of the table either.


You don't hear much of it from either side because it's a much harder and much more complex thing to solve, while at the same time being much harder to get people emotionally involved in. You can get people scared of a MILITARY-TYPE ASSAULT WEAPON which KILLED LOTS OF CHILDREN IN MERE MINUTES. You can't get the same reaction about a .38 special which has killed far more children, because it didn't kill them all in a row. And when it comes to banning handguns, the right already won with recent SCOTUS cases.

timswar: That's true, of course. Something like 34 people a day die to gun violence in America. Unfortunately it's hard to get pictures of them all or that's what should be held up.


The problem is that solving gun massacres and solving the general problem of gun violence result in very, very different solutions. If you wave a magic wand and get rid of every 'assault weapon' in the country, it may help the massacre problem significantly. But it won't even dent the general gun crime problem. That's the issue - that everyone is going gung ho to solve a problem that isn't the big problem.
 
2013-01-10 08:45:59 AM

Fail in Human Form: YodaBlues: Fail in Human Form: YodaBlues: Misrepresentations of Facts.

#1 Accurate if the new "AW Ban passes as it and look at the president's stance on the issues prior to becoming president

#2 Accurate, given that almost every rifle round will go through a vest and he supported a permanent AW ban

#3 Again, look at his stance on the AW Ban

/Look at what these people say prior to the campaigns when they know they have to "pander" to gun owners.

Not liking the facts I present because it doesn't fit your agenda isn't misinterpretation of said facts.
With every post, your user name becomes more and more appropriate.

Well then, show me the error of my ways oh wise one.


I'm pretty sure I just did master of fail.
 
2013-01-10 08:48:31 AM

YodaBlues: Fail in Human Form: YodaBlues: Fail in Human Form: YodaBlues: Misrepresentations of Facts.

#1 Accurate if the new "AW Ban passes as it and look at the president's stance on the issues prior to becoming president

#2 Accurate, given that almost every rifle round will go through a vest and he supported a permanent AW ban

#3 Again, look at his stance on the AW Ban

/Look at what these people say prior to the campaigns when they know they have to "pander" to gun owners.

Not liking the facts I present because it doesn't fit your agenda isn't misinterpretation of said facts.
With every post, your user name becomes more and more appropriate.

Well then, show me the error of my ways oh wise one.

I'm pretty sure I just did master of fail.


All were refuted, the fact that you like the way that site tried to spin their opinions doesn't really matter much to me
 
2013-01-10 08:48:42 AM

Fail in Human Form: Johnny Swank: I'm constantly amazed how many of these gun nut dipshiat have suddenly caught religion concerning government funded mental health services. I thought you assholes were against that sort of socialism.

I supported single payer, swing and a miss

/Liberal "gun nut"


Then you should want nothing to do with the NRA. They make responsible gun owners look like farking crazy people.

/Liberal Gun Nut.
 
2013-01-10 08:50:10 AM

sprawl15: The problem is that solving gun massacres and solving the general problem of gun violence result in very, very different solutions.


Not really. Not even at all.

Make people responsible for the guns they own and sell. Truly responsible. If a gun you own or sell is used in a violent crime, you go to jail.

Yes, that involves registering your guns. No, that is not the first step towards confiscation. It is the first step towards responsibly using the rights you enjoy so much.
 
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