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(BBC)   Thinking of visiting Greece? You'd better be Caucasian. Or enjoy getting beaten by police   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 91
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2013-01-10 09:38:21 AM
Just out of curiosity, I took a look at the State Department's writeup on Greece:

THREATS TO SAFETY AND SECURITY

Domestic anarchist organizations such as Revolutionary Struggle (RS), Sect of Revolutionaries, and the Conspiracy of Fire Nuclei (CFN) are Greece's most active terrorist groups, striking both domestic and foreign targets in Greece....

Strikes and demonstrations are a regular occurrence....

Riot-control procedures often include the use of tear gas....


Ah, here it is:

There has been a rise in unprovoked harassment and violent attacks against persons who, because of their complexion, are perceived to be foreign migrants. U.S. citizens most at risk are those of African, Asian, Hispanic, or Middle Eastern descent. Travelers are urged to exercise caution, especially in the immediate vicinity of Omonia Square from sunset to sunrise. Travelers should avoid Exarchia Square and its immediate vicinity at all times. The U.S. Embassy has confirmed reports of U.S. African-American citizens detained by police authorities conducting sweeps for illegal immigrants in Athens.

But it doesn't look like Greece landed on their "Travel Warnings" page yet. Frankly, with all the violence they talked about, plus harassment and potential arrest by police, I don't see how Greece is that much better than, let's say, Tunisia.
 
2013-01-10 09:39:17 AM

GrizzlyPouch: In other news claiming police brutality is a good way to fund your 2 year long backpacking trip if you don't have a job


You can't get blood from a turnip.
 
2013-01-10 09:43:26 AM

Soymilk: AverageAmericanGuy: Actually, it's 'don't look like a bum'.

Or a visiting college professor.


Now you're just being redundant
 
2013-01-10 09:45:14 AM

david_gaithersburg: KrispyKritter: Martian_Astronomer: So, same as the US then?

/ Someone had to say it....

i wish. Az is not the whole USA. fark illegals, right up the arse. you go their their world and see what happens to you.

.
That would require him to step outside of his self constructed bubble.


Is travelling to Mexico/Latin America outside of the resort areas some sort of impressive feat?
 
2013-01-10 09:47:32 AM

RexTalionis: Not surprising that Greece is getting racist and reactionary in their treatments. This is a country that voted a far-right Neo-Nazi party into Parliament in the last elections. A Neo-Nazi party complete with black-shirted thugs who would target non-Caucasians and beat them.


For a country whose economy is on the insanity workout of becoming the biggest shiathole in Europe and with a demographic of 94% Greek ethnicity out of 11 million people, they're calculations is that 6% non-Caucasians is the problem?
They're obviously not watching the same history channel we do.

Way to fark with your own money.
 
2013-01-10 09:51:01 AM

Moopy Mac: david_gaithersburg: KrispyKritter: Martian_Astronomer: So, same as the US then?

/ Someone had to say it....

i wish. Az is not the whole USA. fark illegals, right up the arse. you go their their world and see what happens to you.

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That would require him to step outside of his self constructed bubble.

Is travelling to Mexico/Latin America outside of the resort areas some sort of impressive feat?


For millions of people, traveling outside of the suburbs in any direction is an impressive feat.  Good luck getting them from behind the walls of the Sandals resort.
 
2013-01-10 09:54:30 AM

cousndick: They're obviously not watching the same history channel we do.


You mean the History Channel with Ancient Aliens guy?
1.bp.blogspot.com

Or the one with the Pawn Stars?
www.kirkwilcox.com
 
2013-01-10 10:42:30 AM

RexTalionis: cousndick: They're obviously not watching the same history channel we do.

You mean the History Channel with Ancient Aliens guy?
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Or the one with the Pawn Stars?
[www.kirkwilcox.com image 500x500]


I'll give you the aliens one. Maybe they think non-Caucasians are aliens?

Pawn Stars is when I change the channel, so that's ignorance on my own part.
 
2013-01-10 10:52:59 AM

ThisSideofSteinway: Golden Dawn


Given the Greek way of things, they'll meander right past it!
 
2013-01-10 11:02:26 AM

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: DammitIForgotMyLogin: If the Greeks think they have it bad right now, it's really going to hurt when their tourism industry collapses

Yeah the lost of illegal African immigrants tourist dollars are going to kill the resorts.


That's funny, I was just thinking about all the noncaucasians who sit around and think of Greece as a possible vacation destination until I suddenly realized I left my house this morning and forgot to turn off the racism.
 
2013-01-10 11:25:03 AM

RexTalionis: Not surprising that Greece is getting racist and reactionary in their treatments. This is a country that voted a far-right Neo-Nazi party into Parliament in the last elections. A Neo-Nazi party complete with black-shirted thugs who would target non-Caucasians and beat them.
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I hate Greek Nazis.
 
2013-01-10 11:28:11 AM

Tat'dGreaser: Wait, there is racism in Europe!?!?!


Its pretty much acceptable to be like 1950s south racist tominorities that are anything but black african in europe, but then they biatch about how we are racist towards black africans in the us
 
2013-01-10 11:49:47 AM

whipbambucket: Greece: great food, bad sex.


Speak for yourself. My taste includes both snails and oysters.
 
2013-01-10 11:56:45 AM
For added irony, Greece is a nation of immigrants. After it was depopulated by plague and invaders, the Byzantines resettled it with Slavs on the condition that they take Greek names and learn Greek.
 
2013-01-10 12:15:52 PM
Opa!
 
2013-01-10 12:32:46 PM

Rapmaster2000: Greeks are calling themselves caucasian now? What's next? Sicilians?


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2013-01-10 12:33:43 PM

Rapmaster2000: Greeks are calling themselves caucasian now? What's next? Sicilians?


2.bp.blogspot.com
Let me tell you about Sicilians
 
2013-01-10 12:35:59 PM

RexTalionis: Not surprising that Greece is getting racist and reactionary in their treatments. This is a country that voted a far-right Neo-Nazi party into Parliament in the last elections. A Neo-Nazi party complete with black-shirted thugs who would target non-Caucasians and beat them.


Yeah, but Golden Dawn is such an awesome name. It sounds like an evil cult from Oblivion or Skyrim or something. How could you not vote for them?
 
2013-01-10 01:02:28 PM
Too bad today's "Greeks" ain't the same Greeks as in Socrates' day: three or four times during the Byzantine years mainland Greece was severely depopulated by war, famine, plague and running away from the other three, so to keep food growing and taxes paid the Imperial Court moved in gobs of Slavs, Goths and yes TURKS. The latter is where they got to be "swarthy": in Socrates' day most Greeks were fair-skinned and even blond. Calling today's inhabitants Greeks is like calling everybody in upstate NY Iroquois, with the difference that at least in Greece the immigrants learned the native language.

But don't tell a "Greek" with a gun he's really mostly Turkish.
 
2013-01-10 01:17:30 PM
"Whenever people ask me if they should visit Greece I tell them to go to Turkey instead."

Oh snap...
 
2013-01-10 01:20:01 PM
Well, I went there on my honeymoon, and with all the problems in Greece now, I don't know if you could pay me to go there. And I'm the whitest person you could ever meet.
 
2013-01-10 01:21:32 PM

Paris1127: "Whenever people ask me if they should visit Greece I tell them to go to Turkey instead."

Oh snap...


Well, Istanbul is awesome.

/also gets the song stuck in your head for days.
 
2013-01-10 01:21:37 PM
Most women fantasize about sweaty sex with virile Greek men; this thread's argument is invalid.
 
2013-01-10 01:22:27 PM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: If the Greeks think they have it bad right now, it's really going to hurt when their tourism industry collapses


It might collapse for other reasons, which will indeed suck for Greece.

But not for this, white Europeans don't mind going to Greece and feeling like the master race.

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Personally I don't get why anyone would go to Greece. You can go to North Africa, Turkey or the middle-east if you're going in that direction and like nice weather, where having Euros makes you king.
 
2013-01-10 01:27:29 PM

Cubicle Jockey: Arkanaut: Dr.Mxyzptlk.: DammitIForgotMyLogin: If the Greeks think they have it bad right now, it's really going to hurt when their tourism industry collapses

Yeah the lost of illegal African immigrants tourist dollars are going to kill the resorts.

The Chinese are one of the fastest-growing sources of tourism dollars these days, so there's that.


This.
Greece has frequently been voted China's #1 tourist destination.
Half a million east asians visit Greece each year.


Yeah. But this dude was Korean.

People from China most likely think that they're completely different than Koreans, and that Greek racist cops just doesn't see them all as Asians.
 
2013-01-10 01:34:59 PM
It's now the norm in Southern Europe. all those decades of corruption at all levels of society have finally screwed your economy ? blame the foreigners ! A foreigner being anyone who doesn't look like you or speaks with an accent.

Twenty years ago, Italians (mostly southern Italians)* and Greeks criticized racism in the US claiming "they" were not like that. Today, of course, they are showing themselves to be deeply and pervasively racist societies. Of course, they claim they are not racially motivated... ultimately, though, they prefer to blame all their woes on easily identified "extra-communitarians" because the alternative would be to blame themselves and their parents and grandparents and they haven't got the intellectual honestly to do that.

*Historically, Northern Italians have always had Southern Italians to discriminate against. They still do.
 
2013-01-10 01:38:43 PM
A Caucasian is not something I would like to be if visiting Greece. Far better to be European, or at least a "white" American. We're usually tourists; Caucasians are somewhat seen as either poor migrant workers (the kind of people the Golden Dawn doesn't really like) or terrorists (Chechens).

Oh, shiat, you're talking about that pseudo-science Bible shiat Americans do when they pretend they're Caucasians. My bad. Carry on.
 
2013-01-10 01:44:37 PM

Begoggle: Rapmaster2000: Greeks are calling themselves caucasian now? What's next? Sicilians?

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Let me tell you about Sicilians


Hah! beat you by a minute!
 
2013-01-10 02:13:52 PM

RanDomino: For added irony, Greece is a nation of immigrants. After it was depopulated by plague and invaders, the Byzantines resettled it with Slavs on the condition that they take Greek names and learn Greek.


not to mention greece and the slavic nations were the 'dumping grounds' for returning roman armies coming back from Africa and the middle east. Its where they left the sick/wounded/unhinged/criminal/unfit-for-society' before hopping into the boats to cross the Adriatic back to the Italian Peninsula.

Not exactly the 'best & brightest' to get your nation started.
 
2013-01-10 02:15:33 PM
"There were members of the public who saw what happened, like the man who works in the shop opposite the police station, but they were too afraid to help me," he says.

More likely they thought the guy was a Gypsy and were rooting for the cops.

/like Koreans would treat Western drifters any better.
 
2013-01-10 02:24:43 PM
The entire time I was in Greece, I saw maybe 3 cops -- all of which were directing traffic.
 
2013-01-10 02:39:59 PM

LemSkroob: RanDomino: For added irony, Greece is a nation of immigrants. After it was depopulated by plague and invaders, the Byzantines resettled it with Slavs on the condition that they take Greek names and learn Greek.

not to mention greece and the slavic nations were the 'dumping grounds' for returning roman armies coming back from Africa and the middle east. Its where they left the sick/wounded/unhinged/criminal/unfit-for-society' before hopping into the boats to cross the Adriatic back to the Italian Peninsula.

Not exactly the 'best & brightest' to get your nation started.


Idiocracy in action, if you will. Speaking of "Idiocrates" sounds like a good fark-handle.
 
2013-01-10 02:58:28 PM

RexTalionis: Not surprising that Greece is getting racist and reactionary in their treatments. This is a country that voted a far-right Neo-Nazi party into Parliament in the last elections. A Neo-Nazi party complete with black-shirted thugs who would target non-Caucasians and beat them.
[www.csmonitor.com image 619x408]
[i.telegraph.co.uk image 620x387]
[blogs.aljazeera.com image 620x410]
[www.jewishproblem.com image 619x464]


Someone needs to photoshop/complile images #2 and #3 in a montage with Sauruman's "A Power is Rising!" image from Two Towers.

/bet those guys sound like Uruk-Hai
 
2013-01-10 03:07:10 PM
In times of economic struggle, the fascists crawl out of the woodwork. There have been videos of Golden Dawn beating and killing brown and/or gay people on youtube for 6 months. One right in front of a cop who pretends he doesn't notice. Then there's the MP who beat a female MP on live TV.

Link
 
2013-01-10 03:09:37 PM
Hey Rex, just wanted to ask if they had the Smithsonian Channel where you live. Great channel, basically it is like how the history channel used to be. (You know, before someone decided that reality tv should replace documentaries where you actually learn something.)
 
2013-01-10 03:11:39 PM

padraig: Am I the only one who thinks that Greece is going back to being a far-right brutal dictatorship?


LOL - Dude, Greece is hard left. Sometimes facts do get in the way of a moistened political vagina.
 
2013-01-10 05:02:28 PM
Greeks are the worst part of Greece. Those people (yes, THOSE people) are the crappiest, least friendly, and most worthless dregs of western Europe. Everyone that I traveled with and met during my time there had the same impression and this was well before all the current problems.

I'd only go back by boat just so wouldn't have to deal with them, but still get to enjoy what little environmental beauty that is left before they pollute it all to hell.
 
2013-01-10 05:25:47 PM
Well, shiat, there goes my plans to take a Mediterranean cruise through the Greek isles...

...though I still want to have nasty sweaty sex with Nia Vardalos...

/or my second RA in college, who was Greek, even though I can't remember her name.
 
2013-01-10 08:29:07 PM
Mouser

2013-01-10 02:15:33 PM

"There were members of the public who saw what happened, like the man who works in the shop opposite the police station, but they were too afraid to help me," he says.

More likely they thought the guy was a Gypsy and were rooting for the cops.

/like Koreans would treat Western drifters any better.


One, the Korean guy was a backpacker - not a drifter - sort of a big difference. Two, I imagine most Europeans can tell the dfference between a gypsy and an Asian tourist. Three, I'm sure you can cite examples where South Korean cops are beating up/detaining foreign tourists.

No? Yeah, I thought so.
 
2013-01-10 10:42:36 PM

KierzanDax: Well, shiat, there goes my plans to take a Mediterranean cruise through the Greek isles...

...though I still want to have nasty sweaty sex with Nia Vardalos...

/or my second RA in college, who was Greek, even though I can't remember her name.


Does it help that she was born and raised in Canada and is now a US citizen ?
 
2013-01-11 04:30:35 AM

Wook: padraig: Am I the only one who thinks that Greece is going back to being a far-right brutal dictatorship?

LOL - Dude, Greece is hard left. Sometimes facts do get in the way of a moistened political vagina.


fark you, dude. And "Golden dawn" encroaching more and more aspects of life over there, and being extremely popular with the police, doesn't make you think that maybe, in a few years, something really bad could happen ?
 
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