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(The Daily Beast)   To understand how extraordinary this obsession with Israel is, just imagine the uproar if any senator raised objections to a US cabinet nominee over, say their "commitment" to Canada, France or Turkey   (andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com ) divider line
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2013-01-10 09:35:14 AM  
12 votes:

Altair: Gulper Eel: Canada, France and Turkey aren't surrounded by countries who want to wipe them off the face of the earth.

and here we go...


Well, okay, I forgot that a few years back the Danes were ready to start some shiat with Canada over that rock up near Greenland. Thankfully, diplomacy prevailed and we were spared the horrors of the Poutine/Lego War of 2005.
2013-01-10 09:57:33 AM  
10 votes:

Gulper Eel: Canada, France and Turkey aren't surrounded by countries who want to wipe them off the face of the earth.


Well, France.
2013-01-10 11:11:44 AM  
8 votes:
o.onionstatic.com
2013-01-10 10:10:41 AM  
6 votes:

Gulper Eel: ... surrounded by countries who want to wipe them off the face of the earth.


"But enough about the Palestinian occupied territories!"

i.imgur.com


/it begins
2013-01-10 11:18:58 AM  
5 votes:

iheartscotch: We gave ( and continue to give) the Israelies their country, unlimited funds and unlimited access to men, material and technology; what else could they possibly want?


I just realized that they're playing Command & Conquer with all the cheat codes on and the still can't win.
2013-01-10 11:21:02 AM  
4 votes:

Gulper Eel: Canada, France and Turkey aren't surrounded by countries who want to wipe them off the face of the earth.


Now why is that ...?

i560.photobucket.com
2013-01-11 01:24:31 AM  
3 votes:
i1172.photobucket.com
2013-01-10 11:37:35 AM  
3 votes:
We should use this dialogue as an opportunity...

We continue aid as we have done before for Israel if they will enjoin the Jewish people to tip at least 15% in our restaurants.
2013-01-10 11:24:53 AM  
3 votes:

Prank Call of Cthulhu: I'm often told, "But they're our ally in the Middle East," to which I always wonder how, exactly, they help us in any way. Does the presence of our friend Israel mean I get cheap gas? No? Do they supply us with anything other than a bunch of Arabs who are mad at us for giving aid to Israel, and a bunch of espionage attempts? No? Then fark 'em.


They help us by attempting to meddle in our elections while at the same time making any diplomacy in the middle east about a million times more difficult. We are the battered wife in a dysfunctional relationship with an unemployed plumber who is a giant douchbag to everyone on the block.
2013-01-10 11:15:44 AM  
3 votes:
Go U.S.A never stop sucking that sweet sweet Isreali cock.
2013-01-10 05:13:26 PM  
2 votes:

Keizer_Ghidorah: Half of the people who want an Israel only want it so that the prophecy will be fulfilled and God will destroy all of creation and take the chosen few (including them, they hope) away to paradise while the rest suffer eternal horrible torture.



Let me show what lengths anti-semites will go to. Here is an example of gentiles dressing up like Jews and having a fake convention to make it looks like Jews are pushing their interests on our congress. Can you believe it?

www.csmonitor.com

All these goys have fake Jewish names. What they do at this convention is push their secret agenda of end times prophecy on the US congress and then ....get this....BLAME THE JEWS. I think its deplorable for Christians to sink so low.
2013-01-10 02:38:21 PM  
2 votes:

Valiente:
Won't help me if you're a texting motorcyclist in the States. Move to Southern Ontario and I will support your laudable initiative.


if you're looking for a functioning liver, fark may not be the place to start looking.

even if you somehow snag one, the liver's cirrhosis will have hepatitis.
2013-01-10 01:50:42 PM  
2 votes:
Remember, if you build a house in a flood plain and it gets destroyed in a hurricane, that's your fault and the government should leave you to your own devices.

If you build a country by taking land from the indigenous population and then proceed to flip off every country for a thousand miles while implementing various morally questionable policies towards that population, it's our duty to protect you at all costs.
2013-01-10 01:20:57 PM  
2 votes:

Agarista: Am I right in assuming that all supporters of a Jewish state are also supporters of a Kurdish state?


No whey.
2013-01-10 12:28:02 PM  
2 votes:
Can't we just give the jews some casinos or something...
2013-01-10 11:47:38 AM  
2 votes:
Young Jewish liberals don't believe AIPAC really exists (its a fictional conspiracy cabal dreamed up by deluded anti-semites). Congress votes the way it does because of all those knuckle dragging End of Times Christians.

No, really, this is what they believe!

westernrifleshooters.files.wordpress.com
2013-01-10 11:29:57 AM  
2 votes:
i49.tinypic.com
2013-01-10 11:29:37 AM  
2 votes:
Good idea. Giving Jews money.
They won't ask for more.
2013-01-10 11:26:55 AM  
2 votes:
And she questions their commitment to Sparkle Motion.

3.bp.blogspot.com
2013-01-10 11:22:42 AM  
2 votes:

ITGreen: Gulper Eel: God Is My Co-Pirate: Gulper Eel: Canada, France and Turkey aren't surrounded by countries who want to wipe them off the face of the earth.

Well, France.

They have enough hot women that they can stay. Besides, nobody wants a giant Luxembourg.

Canada's got some damn fine women too.   Ahh, Montreal...


We start out Montreal and we end up Trois-Rivières. It's the Canadian Curse.
2013-01-10 11:17:58 AM  
2 votes:
Yeah, those countries you named are all useless. Unlike Israel.
2013-01-10 09:22:30 AM  
2 votes:

Gulper Eel: Canada, France and Turkey aren't surrounded by countries who want to wipe them off the face of the earth.


and here we go...
2013-01-10 08:17:51 AM  
2 votes:
Canada, France and Turkey aren't surrounded by countries who want to wipe them off the face of the earth.
2013-01-10 09:07:00 PM  
1 vote:

Dr Dreidel: demaL-demaL-yeH: Please stop engaging the agenda.
I made a nice comment about lovely French-speaking women who practice sound personal hygiene.
Couldn't that be the thread derailment you choose to follow?

Don't tell anyone I'm just killing time here. Sharpening some of my writing chops, engaging what and when I want. In a few days, a few weeks - I'm not going to give half a shiat who says what.

On more than one occasion, I've had a pleasant chat, and I've taught and learned even more.

// but keep it under your Jew-hat


Keep it under our כיפות?

But that's where I "hide" my bald spot.
2013-01-10 05:44:48 PM  
1 vote:
Hey guys, I'm Jewish and I've been thrown out of 109 different restaurants and grocery stores; they always have some excuse, but I know the real reason is that everyone except me is an evil anti-semite nazi.
2013-01-10 04:22:44 PM  
1 vote:

Valiente: I stand corrected. It is indeed "eruv". Still, for a non-Hebrew speaker, I showed a touch of game, I think. Certain Toronto neighbourhoods, the strings flap in the wind for months. It certainly exemplifies the impression that the Orthodox wish to maintain that "people apart" stance.


That's read into it by others. In point of fact, the eruv could be seen as uniting an entire community (of less than 600,000. A nation-wide eruv wouldn't fly). Depends on who's interpreting, I suppose, and whether they have any axes to grind.

So what's your position, theologically speaking, on the dodge of getting a Gentile to switch on the lights? Seems like a bit of a dodge to me, but then I've dined with Jews on the shrimp special at Chinese restaurants (the line-ups at Christmas are insane!), so there's apparently a fair bit of Talmudic wiggle room.

There's a difference between following the rules and breaking them. The shrimp special was likely dined on by people who couldn't explain what an eruv is at gunpoint, anyone who would ask a non-Jew (I really hate the term "Gentile" for some reason) to switch on the lights is doing so within the bounds of the rules. (The rules, basically, say that Jew and non-Jew must have agreed on this arrangement prior to Friday sundown - a "Shabbos goy" - or else the jew makes a fool of themselves until the non-Jew, of their own volition, turns on the light.)

And would G_d give you a pass if a candle tipped over and you had to call 911, or would it be out to the street with a shofar and a lot of motivation? Because if there's one way I've found to evaluate religious practice, it's to take its set of rules to their logical conclusions.

In the event of even a threat to life or limb, all the rules go out the window save the Big 3: no murder (or causing someone else to lose their life), no sexual immorality, no idolatry. As a matter of fact, I've heard opinions state that anyone who DOESN'T chuck the rule book in that scenario is in violation of the law - "I have given you these statutes that you may live by them", says Deuteronomy.
2013-01-10 03:38:10 PM  
1 vote:

Dr Dreidel: *"work" in this case meaning "changing the state of things". You can run a marathon and rearrange the furniture in your house all Sabbath long, but turn on a light (i.e. excite some electrons, "light a fire") and you've done wrong.


Fortunately, there are Sabbath-approved appliances to help you with that.
2013-01-10 03:15:11 PM  
1 vote:

The Larch:

As an aside, I do find it very odd that the same people who seem to care very much about Israelis defending themselves against rocket attacks from Gaza don't seem to give a flying fark about the United States killing hundreds of people in Yemen with drones, or the Syrian government slaughtering 50,000 people. Israel seems to get a lot more negative attention than it actually deserves. It's almost like some of the detractors of Israel have ulterior motives.


I would agree with this, but it's hard to discern (particularly for blindly pro-Israel types) which proportion of that negativity is old-fashioned anti-Jewish/Zionist/Israeli sentiment or is a reaction against the questionable party line that Israel is the BFF of America, which does seem politically insular and naive and randomly killy with the drones and whatnot much of the time.

Actually, chatting with emigrant Israelis is pretty refreshing. It's quite reminiscent of talking to Irish emigrants who got sick of the priest-ridden close-mindedness prior to the Nineties in the south, and the bloody-minded sectarianism of the North. None of these people hated their cultures or their countries, but felt obliged to leave in order to have a more peaceful, rational life elsewhere (in this case Canada).

And if you really want to hear kvetching, talk to a non-observant Jew living in a largely Orthodox neighbourhood who dares to wash his car on a Saturday. Jews don't try to convert Gentiles, but they sure as hell want slacker Jews to toe the line of Leviticus-observance.

I found this not entirely surprising. Look up "erev": It's purity as defined by string.
2013-01-10 02:55:39 PM  
1 vote:

George Babbitt: Anti-Semitism could not exist in the absence of Semitism.Amos Quito: Dr Dreidel: Amos Quito: Dr Dreidel: Amos Quito:


// why am I arguing with an anti-Semite?


Anti-Semitism could not exist in the absence of Semitism.

The term Semite means a member of any of various ancient and modern Semitic-speaking peoples originating in southwestern Asia, including; Akkadians (Assyrians and Babylonians), Eblaites, Ugarites, Canaanites, Phoenicians (including Carthaginians), Hebrews (Israelites, Judeans and Samaritans), Ahlamu, Arameans, Chaldeans, Amorites, Moabites, Edomites, Hyksos, Arabs, Nabateans, Maganites, Shebans, Sutu, Ubarites, Dilmunites, Bahranis, Maltese, Mandaeans, Sabians, Syriacs, Mhallami, Amalekites and Ethiopian Semites.


This is true in terms of linguistics and in terms of archaeology, and it's bugged me forever that Arabs are called "anti-Semites". It's the semantic (but not Semitic) equivalent of saying "stop hitting yourself!"

But I have heard Jews described as a race, a culture, a religion and a nationality. There seems to be a similar sort of ambiguity at play. If they are a religion, a religion wanting its own country is a theocracy, no? Like Iran since '79? Or Saudi (implicitly) since the '20s?

Zionism would seem to be unique in that regard, in that it sought a homeland for European Jewry, but preferably non-practising and/or "lite" Reform Jews most likely to politically skew towards socialism. It's like a country formed entirely of lapsed Canadian United Church members who discovered in their midst a bunch of Jehovah's Witnesses jamming up the gears of the Great Experiment.

And who spent all day getting paid to read the Bible, not be in the army, and to throw stones at insufficiently observant movie goers during the holy day. I'm not saying Israel shouldn't exist, but some of the premises on which it exists (a great Western-style liberal democracy, our only friend in the Middle East, etc.) can and should be questioned without the questioners being called "anti-Semites".

By that measure, a surprising number of Jews are anti-Semites. Personally, I lump the Jews in with the other dummy "peoples of the Book(s)" as I consider monotheism a sort of mental illness and cultural crippling, but they get props from me because they don't want me in their particular short bus and never hammer on my door to share the "good news" of their zombie sky fairy.

But that faint admiration, like preferring the tard that doesn't fling poo, doesn't really translate into thinking the world needs another theocracy. I mean, I've been to Ireland.
2013-01-10 02:50:45 PM  
1 vote:

Champion of the Sun: Why did Dr. Dreidel call Somacandra Doc? Curiouser and curiouser.


"This is heavy, Doc."

// not obscure after November 5th, 1955
2013-01-10 02:47:08 PM  
1 vote:

give me doughnuts: Prank Call of Cthulhu: I'm often told, "But they're our ally in the Middle East," to which I always wonder how, exactly, they help us in any way. Does the presence of our friend Israel mean I get cheap gas? No? Do they supply us with anything other than a bunch of Arabs who are mad at us for giving aid to Israel, and a bunch of espionage attempts? No? Then fark 'em.

Resupply port for the 6th Fleet. Logistical and maintenance support for other U.S. forces in the Middle East. Joint training exercises. Technical collaberation on weapons systems.


So we need to support Israel because they help us against people who hate us because we support Israel?
2013-01-10 02:11:51 PM  
1 vote:

Aigoo: let's give the entire SW back to Mexico before we cry about Israel... or is the issue that their wars were too recent to qualify?


How about as an alternative, we add an Amendment to the US Constitution saying that every single person born in New Mexico has full American citizenship, with the ability to freely travel anywhere in the country at any time without restriction. Also, maybe we could add something to our Constitution that gives New Mexico residents full representation in the United States federal government. And then, maybe we could add 200 years of Constitutional amendments, laws, and legal precedent to say that residents of New Mexico have the full free and unfettered right to trade goods and services with the residents of every other state, with minimal restriction or tariffs.

I tell you what... as soon as the United States does those things for New Mexico, will you do the same for the West Bank and the Gaza Strip?
2013-01-10 01:36:43 PM  
1 vote:

Agarista: BeesNuts: Dr Dreidel: Jews. It's Jews right? We did it to ourselves?

Not on purpose, and with TONS of help, and over the course of centuries and ... not really... but guess if you wanted to play the victim you can pretend that's what he meant.

Why are Jews stereotypically associated with banks and banking?

Shakespeare


Yup... Shakespeare totally made up the idea of a Jewish Usurer taking pounds of flesh from good Christians on his own. That's why the play was so popular... nobody understood it. -_-

Alternatively, during the Crusades, there was a need to loan and transfer money from party to party. As there was a Christian moratorium on charging interest, this was clearly a difficulty to be overcome. Fortunately, the Jews at the time were reading Deuteronomy a little differently and didn't consider gentiles to be "their brothers" and therefore they weren't beholden to such prohibitions.

For nearly 200 years, bankers in Europe were almost universally Jewish. Christians thought this was Usury and kind of reluctantly dealt with these bankers. This was the first socio-economic friction between Jews and Christians. Before that it was all theological, but banking brought it into the real. Centuries of friction led the Jews to become increasingly insular and reluctant to assimilate or be assimilated. Obviously, the source of their social power became the new primary source of their status as outcasts, but the maintenance of this social power was more important, at that time, than being friends with the gentiles. Plus, as an added bonus, the gentiles were dealing with all the Arabs that were camped out in Jerusalem, which put a smile on their faces.

Heck, even the notion of Gentiles denotes a sort of self-segregation. "We are the Jews" The only other kind of people in the world are Non-Jews."

The Jews have a TREMENDOUS amount of history. And while not all of it is positive the vast majority is at least neutral. The problem is that you go traipsing down memory lane with Judaism and you can't help but stumble on some pitfalls that help inform the current situation... and then realize that those pitfalls are informed by previous pitfalls... stretching back like 1500 years.

/Whose "fault" was WWI? is a less complicated question than "whose fault is Palestine"
2013-01-10 01:15:21 PM  
1 vote:

Private_Citizen: Just an observation:

I've noticed that "support for Israel" is a GOP party plank, yet the Democrats get the majority of the Jewish vote. I think it's because GOP "support for Israel" seems based on a creepy evangelical belief that the end times can't occur without Israel. It's not so much that the GOP is after the Jewish vote - they're after the Jesus Freak vote.

As for the actual Jewish voters, the GOP seems quite adversarial, often condemning the Hollywood Jews for their promotion of a Liberal bias. And I know several Jews who are more than a bit disturbed by GOP hate for "Undesirables" (Jews, Blacks, Muslims, Mexicans - or as I heard one right winger sum up - 'Democrats').

Anyway, GOP opposition to this nomination probably has far more to do with the Black man in the White house than it does with Israel.


It always seemed to me like the fundy elements of the GOP base were more than happy to use Israelis as redshirts for the Apocalypse.
2013-01-10 12:29:14 PM  
1 vote:

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Dr Dreidel: In the last 50 years, half - HALF! - of Jews in Europe were killed by the state

Ummm, wheat was this?


Heh. 60. My math needs updating (in HS, I got used to the "50 years" formulation). Sue me.

// I'm a Jew, you'll never win
2013-01-10 12:21:38 PM  
1 vote:
We should have given them Winnipeg instead of Palestine. Seriously, no one in Canada or anywhere else would miss Winnipeg, much less fight over it.
2013-01-10 12:20:58 PM  
1 vote:

ringersol: At what point did "supporting an ally" involve pissing contests over who would go the *furthest* in their unquestioning support of said ally?


Exactly.  Discussions about Israel in the US tend to devolve into rational  "Israel has a right to exist" arguments versus "Jews control the world" derp, but that's missing the issue entirely.  The issue is not the fact that the US and Israel are allies; it's the unprecedented level of deference to Israel on matters of policy.  Friends don't always have to be on the same page on every issue, and all Americans, including elected leaders, should be as free to criticize Israel as Israeli leaders are free to criticize the US.
2013-01-10 12:20:39 PM  
1 vote:
Thanks for the Iraq war, AIPAC!!!

BTW: we didn't find any WMDs, but at least you got what you wanted like a good JAP.
2013-01-10 12:19:19 PM  
1 vote:
The current clowns running the show in Israel certainly make it difficult to support them. It's like the 5 year old who goes around picking fights because he knows his big brother will step in and back him up.
2013-01-10 12:18:56 PM  
1 vote:

Vectron: Hey lookee!


Snort: This has nothing to do with Israel and everything to do with setting up the conditions for the Second Coming.

Support for Israel only goes as far as seeing them burn in the Apocalypse.


#1 That statement is not mutually exclusive with what you said that Jewish Liberals believe
#2 You don't know that anyone here is a "Jewish Liberal" from anything they say even on their account profile


#3 The Elders of Zion are putting you on a list somewhere.
2013-01-10 12:17:32 PM  
1 vote:
Both should be required reading for all Israel threads:

1 ) "How To Support Israel Without Being Racist"

2) "How To Criticize Israel Without Being Anti-Semitic"
2013-01-10 12:16:41 PM  
1 vote:
Incog_Neeto: They help us by attempting to meddle in our elections while at the same time making any diplomacy in the middle east about a million times more difficult. We are the battered wife in a dysfunctional relationship with an unemployed plumber who is a giant douchbag to everyone on the block.

If you can't find this later, it's because I stole it.
2013-01-10 12:04:41 PM  
1 vote:

Vectron: Dr Dreidel: It's so nice to see that "Jews are rich bankers who control the world's economy" is still a thing people believe.

// not all of you
// but enough that I occasionally want to move back to Israel
// paranoia strikes deep...

Let's see, Jacob Lew is an Orthodox Jew. Then there's Ben Bernanke..... Krugman ....oh and Blankenfien. Basically, people from an ethnic group comprising 2% of the population set monetary policy for the rest of us. You don't think that's a bit .....odd?  Would it be hateful to comment on this if they were ethnic Koreans instead?


forums.digitalpoint.com
2013-01-10 11:56:19 AM  
1 vote:
a.abcnews.com

www.thetimes.co.uk

i.dailymail.co.uk

To be fair, Palin's support for turkey was pretty thin.
2013-01-10 11:48:42 AM  
1 vote:

Your Silence is Killing Kurds: Israel is a US ally. Israel is opposed by the same people who oppose America. Israel is under ongoing threat. That is why the questions are germane


upload.wikimedia.org

I don't see how germanium hydrate fits into this
2013-01-10 11:47:58 AM  
1 vote:

qualtrough: Serious question for the historians and political scientists here (if any):

Are there any historical precedents for a tiny nation exerting so much influence over both the internal and external policies of an almost infinitely larger and more powerful nation?


Uhhh, the Vatican?
2013-01-10 11:42:46 AM  
1 vote:

ph0rk: Agarista: Am I right in assuming that all supporters of a Jewish state are also supporters of a Kurdish state?

That depends, do they love Jesus?


about equally...
2013-01-10 11:41:24 AM  
1 vote:

Agarista: Am I right in assuming that all supporters of a Jewish state are also supporters of a Kurdish state?


That depends, do they love Jesus?
2013-01-10 11:36:26 AM  
1 vote:
'Quote For The Day' from Ali Abunimah of Electronic Intifada ? oh man. This is brilliant. They should be asking about "the Arab obsession with Israel and Arabs' incessant blaming of the Jews for everything that's wrong in their world".
2013-01-10 11:31:34 AM  
1 vote:

Prank Call of Cthulhu: I'm often told, "But they're our ally in the Middle East," to which I always wonder how, exactly, they help us in any way. Does the presence of our friend Israel mean I get cheap gas? No? Do they supply us with anything other than a bunch of Arabs who are mad at us for giving aid to Israel, and a bunch of espionage attempts? No? Then fark 'em.


Resupply port for the 6th Fleet. Logistical and maintenance support for other U.S. forces in the Middle East. Joint training exercises. Technical collaberation on weapons systems.
2013-01-10 11:26:42 AM  
1 vote:
Okay, since I'm too lazy to dig but still care to know, is Hagel's Jewish position:

A. He supports giving them money and materiel consistently, but is offended that such a tiny minority holds so much sway that any criticism of any action of Israel (settlement building, slum bombardment, etc...) is off limits

OR

B. He supports giving them money and materiel consistently, but they're still damn, dirty Jews that run Hollywood and have ruined everything.

I know he's supported them with legislation, it is the "Israel critic" versus "I hate Jews" position that needs clarification for me.
2013-01-10 11:24:19 AM  
1 vote:
i.imgur.com
2013-01-10 11:21:01 AM  
1 vote:
I'm often told, "But they're our ally in the Middle East," to which I always wonder how, exactly, they help us in any way. Does the presence of our friend Israel mean I get cheap gas? No? Do they supply us with anything other than a bunch of Arabs who are mad at us for giving aid to Israel, and a bunch of espionage attempts? No? Then fark 'em.
2013-01-10 11:20:56 AM  
1 vote:

Gulper Eel: Canada, France and Turkey aren't surrounded by countries who want to wipe them off the face of the earth.


What are you talking about? We surround Canada thanks to Alaska.
2013-01-10 11:20:42 AM  
1 vote:

BravadoGT: America led the UN in establishing Israel.  They are family.


I don't have any family that I've financially supported for 65 years.
2013-01-10 11:20:22 AM  
1 vote:
I am a Zionist, I believe the Jewish people should have their own country.

That being said, Israel today is a shameful apartheid state and I don't want my money supporting the current Israeli regime.
2013-01-10 11:19:45 AM  
1 vote:
Charges of antisemitism is the "playing the race card" of the right.
2013-01-10 11:14:54 AM  
1 vote:
Israel will be toast soon......in a few decades there will be more Israeli citizens of Arab descent than Jews. A recent poll of young Israelis(under 35) shows that most would like to leave, and most of the majority would like to go to Europe.
2013-01-10 11:12:33 AM  
1 vote:

give me doughnuts: Damn those Japanese for making us give up our sovereignty! And likewise let us curse the Germans and those dastardly villains in the Netherlands!


So there are US presidential appointees getting put through the wringer because theyre not sufficiently pro-Dutch, pro-Japanese, or pro-German enough?

Way to miss the point.
2013-01-10 10:25:15 AM  
1 vote:

Somacandra: Gulper Eel: ... surrounded by countries who want to wipe them off the face of the earth.

"But enough about the Palestinian occupied territories!"

[i.imgur.com image 250x200]


/it begins


Yeah. If they could finally push all the Egyptian and Jordanian squatters out of Gaza and the West Bank, Israel could finally stabilize its borders.
2013-01-10 10:01:18 AM  
1 vote:

God Is My Co-Pirate: Gulper Eel: Canada, France and Turkey aren't surrounded by countries who want to wipe them off the face of the earth.

Well, France.


They have enough hot women that they can stay. Besides, nobody wants a giant Luxembourg.
 
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