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2013-01-10 08:33:43 AM  
'Dammit Cohagen, gib de peeple de aiyah.'
 
2013-01-10 08:36:30 AM  
You don't get voted off so much as airlock'd.
 
2013-01-10 08:38:07 AM  
Yeah I was reading about this, and it occurred to me that they talk a lot about sending people to Mars, but once you're there, there's no talk about coming home. That's a little disconcerting.
 
2013-01-10 08:39:04 AM  
Is it just me or is this completely unrealistic due to costs and will never happen (at least not this project and by the 2023 timeframe)? Not to mention - wouldn't you need to go deep underground on Mars, or else have like a meter of lead between you and an atmosphere filled with deadly radiation?
 
2013-01-10 08:41:31 AM  
I already live in Mars.....PA Bahaha
 
2013-01-10 08:42:57 AM  
It's a one way trip. We should send Eddie Money and Honey Boo Boo.
 
2013-01-10 08:43:22 AM  
It's too bad VH1 isn't in charge of this. Imagine...an entire planet colonized by drunken sluts.
 
2013-01-10 08:43:54 AM  
Can we send Fred Phelps?
 
2013-01-10 08:44:21 AM  
Not going unless there are three breasted hookers there.
 
2013-01-10 08:44:35 AM  
If I can take my guns and my dogs then hell yea.
Pick me up on the way to the airport.

/otherwise I'll leave colonization to the more adventurous.
/or maybe not, I'd still be damn tempted.
/launch costs are dropping so its an unrealistic idea that's becoming more feasible every year.
 
2013-01-10 08:44:37 AM  
Can we volunteer others?
 
2013-01-10 08:44:59 AM  
SO...who wants to help fund my plan to kill a group of people gullible enough to volunteer to be killed in the name of science? It'll be groundbreaking, and may or may not involve killing them slowly by way of oxygen deprivation and radiation poisoning.
 
2013-01-10 08:46:01 AM  
I wonder if they'll sterilize the colonists. Giving birth on a planet with only 1/4th Earth gravity would have some pretty serious consequences, I would think.
 
2013-01-10 08:48:19 AM  

miss diminutive: I wonder if they'll sterilize the colonists. Giving birth on a planet with only 1/4th Earth gravity would have some pretty serious consequences, I would think.


VERY TALL KIDS!
 
2013-01-10 08:48:22 AM  
I hear the trip is two weeks.
 
2013-01-10 08:49:44 AM  

Farce-Side: SO...who wants to help fund my plan to kill a group of people gullible enough to volunteer to be killed in the name of science? It'll be groundbreaking, and may or may not involve killing them slowly by way of oxygen deprivation and radiation poisoning.


Fund it? No, but fark it I'll volunteer. Not like I'm doing anything with my life except sitting in a cubicle rotting away day after day anyway. I've got a Masters in CS, an associates in Electronics, and depending on your lead time I could always get Masters in Mechanical or Electrical engineering.
 
2013-01-10 08:49:47 AM  

Prevailing Wind: miss diminutive: I wonder if they'll sterilize the colonists. Giving birth on a planet with only 1/4th Earth gravity would have some pretty serious consequences, I would think.

VERY TALL KIDS!


With bone densities of birds.
 
2013-01-10 08:50:12 AM  
In the future, we will no longer create artistic masterpieces, make amazing scientific discoveries, unlock the secrets of the universe, or even learn to play the banjo.

We'll just watch reality TV shows about people pretending to do those things while being catty to each other.
 
2013-01-10 08:51:19 AM  
Start the reactor!
 
2013-01-10 08:55:56 AM  
i'd only go if the trip lasts two weeks.
 
2013-01-10 08:55:59 AM  

Slaves2Darkness: Farce-Side: SO...who wants to help fund my plan to kill a group of people gullible enough to volunteer to be killed in the name of science? It'll be groundbreaking, and may or may not involve killing them slowly by way of oxygen deprivation and radiation poisoning.

Fund it? No, but fark it I'll volunteer. Not like I'm doing anything with my life except sitting in a cubicle rotting away day after day anyway. I've got a Masters in CS, an associates in Electronics, and depending on your lead time I could always get Masters in Mechanical or Electrical engineering.


I'd volunteer as well. I only have a Bachelor's degree, but I know how to make a killer grill-cheese sandwich and can open cans without dropping the lid inside. That has to count for something.

/plus I don't weight much
 
2013-01-10 08:56:09 AM  
I volunteer for the third wave colonization...
 
2013-01-10 08:57:18 AM  

jrw8778: Yeah I was reading about this, and it occurred to me that they talk a lot about sending people to Mars, but once you're there, there's no talk about coming home. That's a little disconcerting.


Maybe to you.
 
2013-01-10 08:57:33 AM  
A new life awaits you in the off-world colonies! A chance to begin again in a golden land of opportunity and adventure!
 
2013-01-10 09:00:23 AM  

way south: If I can take my guns and my dogs then hell yea.
Pick me up on the way to the airport.

/otherwise I'll leave colonization to the more adventurous.
/or maybe not, I'd still be damn tempted.
/launch costs are dropping so its an unrealistic idea that's becoming more feasible every year.


it's called the "Red Planet" not the "Redneck" planet...

they don't let you take Klan outfits or bibles either apparently.

/sad for you
 
2013-01-10 09:00:39 AM  
Its a one-way trip everyone.
 
2013-01-10 09:02:13 AM  
Those who are averse to this simply need to open their miiiiiiiinds.
 
2013-01-10 09:06:01 AM  

The First Four Katy Perry Albums: Is it just me or is this completely unrealistic due to costs and will never happen (at least not this project and by the 2023 timeframe)? Not to mention - wouldn't you need to go deep underground on Mars, or else have like a meter of lead between you and an atmosphere filled with deadly radiation?


curiosity-rover-mars-radiation-levels-safe-for-humans

As for budgets IIRC the estimated costs of getting a crew to Mars and back works out to be the take of the top 10 or 15 grossing movies. These guys aren't planning on bringing anyone back but I suspect keeping people alive on Mars would be more expensive than bringing them back. So I agree that these guys are not likely to succeed in pulling together enough money to succeed but I think their chances are larger than infinitesimal. Another thing is after you have been sitting on Mars staring at red dust for a few months you would probably wish you were dead.
 
2013-01-10 09:06:22 AM  
We're not even a planetary society yet. How the fark are we supposed to jump to inter-planetary status before? God forbid Russia collonize Mars, cause if they do, Amurica will just have to blow it up from Titan.

/send Snookie, G-dubya, and The Rolling Stones
//second though, we'll keep the stones. they have the secrets to immortality
 
2013-01-10 09:08:19 AM  
You know, barring the obvious scientific difficulties with this idea... What bothers me is you are going to send a group of people who barely know each other to a planet where they can really only hang out in the structures you built and go outside for only short amounts of time.

Where would food, air, water, etc. come from? What about entertainment? You can't easily get a good internet connection there, and you'd have no movie theatre. No advanced medical equipment if something went wrong. No mining equipment to produce more structures and habitats...

This is closer to creating a prison in the middle of the desert and giving everyone there a life sentence. -They'd go crazy without a ton of life's comforts.

If this was a serious scientific expedition, we'd see them run trials on all people who want to go. They'd make the same setup here and put all of the contestants in a similar habitat with no contact to the outside world for an entire year or two at least to see what happened.

At best this is a marketing gimmick to get attention and money for a project that even *if* it takes off will end up with a gruesome end.

That being said, I too would like to help colonize another planet. But a planet that on its own could easily support *human* life so I could walk outside and breathe in the fresh air.
 
2013-01-10 09:08:31 AM  
"There are no plans to return the pioneers to Earth."

There are so many people I would "volunteer" to do this.
 
2013-01-10 09:10:06 AM  

rwfan: As for budgets IIRC the estimated costs of getting a crew to Mars and back works out to be the take of the top 10 or 15 grossing movies. These guys aren't planning on bringing anyone back but I suspect keeping people alive on Mars would be more expensive than bringing them back.


I wonder how much they are budgetting for sixty or more years of resupply. And what do they propose to do about medical treatment?
 
2013-01-10 09:10:21 AM  

Barnstormer: "There are no plans to return the pioneers to Earth."

There are so many people I would "volunteer" to do this.


Yeah, Mars will probably be colonized the same way Australia was.
 
2013-01-10 09:12:20 AM  
Volunteers from Roanoke strangely absent.
 
2013-01-10 09:13:23 AM  

orbister: rwfan: As for budgets IIRC the estimated costs of getting a crew to Mars and back works out to be the take of the top 10 or 15 grossing movies. These guys aren't planning on bringing anyone back but I suspect keeping people alive on Mars would be more expensive than bringing them back.

I wonder how much they are budgetting for sixty or more years of resupply. And what do they propose to do about medical treatment?


As they say in south Boston, two in the hat.
 
2013-01-10 09:14:59 AM  
Ice Cube and Pam Grier could be the stars...
 
2013-01-10 09:15:19 AM  
I think I would pass the selection criteria. Three years ago, I would've jumped at this.

But now I see Mars as nothing but a barren dustball. I don't see the point of this. "Curiousity" is insufficient - we can map and record every feature of Mars. This seems like throwing four humans on a one-way trip for nothing but the same reasons to hit a golf ball around on the moon.

There's nothing there, and we don't yet have the technology to make anything there that's more meaningful than an undersea base in our own oceans - and it would be less meaningful, because there are tons of scientific possibilities in our oceans! Mars is just a dead rock with a razor's edge of atmo.
 
2013-01-10 09:16:03 AM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: 'Dammit Cohagen, gib de peeple de aiyah.'


Take this thing out of the case and stick it up your nose. Just shove real hard.

When you hear a crunch, you're there.
 
2013-01-10 09:17:51 AM  
I'd be first in line for this... but not for $5ook... sorry, not worth the money. I would volunteer to be part of the first crew there to set up a settlement, especially if I could bring the wife... but I'm not going to pay $1M for the two of us to play pioneer on another planet.

They really need to rethink that, make the first trip not paid-for by the travelers... have them go free the one trip, set things up... then when people see it's a real thing, they could ask more per ticket. Otherwise those smart enough to have that kind of money would shy away, those that don't would want to go... but yeah, that does not work does it?
 
2013-01-10 09:23:35 AM  

braedan: You don't get voted off so much as airlock'd.


airlock'd
farm3.static.flickr.com
 
2013-01-10 09:24:21 AM  
In before QA derp.

I signed up for this probably a year or so ago. I'm assuming the eight-year training regimen will take care of the basic requirements for survival. Personally, I'm not fussed in the least that it's a one-way trip - I want off of this ride we call Earth, everyone is bugnuts crazy and shooting each other.
 
2013-01-10 09:26:50 AM  

braedan: You don't get voted off so much as airlock'd.


Yeah, my first thought, more 'Amazing Race' though:

Host: "Ken and Stacey.... you are the last team to arrive. I am very sorry to tell you that you have been eliminated from the race."

*Stacey begins crying, Ken puts his arm around her, tries to look strong*

Ken: "Well, you know...geez that re-entry leg was hard and--"

*Host makes a signal, slaps on a helmet. Airlock behind Ken and Stacey open and they die in a writhing, horrible fashion.*
 
2013-01-10 09:30:05 AM  

Alexei Novikov: In before QA derp.

I signed up for this probably a year or so ago. I'm assuming the eight-year training regimen will take care of the basic requirements for survival. Personally, I'm not fussed in the least that it's a one-way trip - I want off of this ride we call Earth, everyone is bugnuts crazy and shooting each other.


Believing that all of your fellow humans are 'bugnuts crazy' and that the best way for you to learn to function in society is to leave it....means that you are totally a socialogically stable and sound candidate for this sort of thing? Interestiing.
 
2013-01-10 09:31:52 AM  
What ever happened to "Let's build a lunar base and have people live there first?" Don't you have to crawl before you can run all over the solar system?
 
2013-01-10 09:33:15 AM  

miss diminutive: I wonder if they'll sterilize the colonists. Giving birth on a planet with only 1/4th Earth gravity would have some pretty serious consequences, I would think.


Good idea.  Mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids.  In fact it's cold as hell, and there's no one there to raise them if you did.
 
2013-01-10 09:35:15 AM  

Alexei Novikov: In before QA derp.

I signed up for this probably a year or so ago. I'm assuming the eight-year training regimen will take care of the basic requirements for survival. Personally, I'm not fussed in the least that it's a one-way trip - I want off of this ride we call Earth, everyone is bugnuts crazy and shooting each other.


Or maybe you could just go live in the woods for a few years. At least then, you can change your mind. Not only that, but the fact that you're deliberately hanging out on fark.com shows me that you really don't want to get away from assholes, you just want to complain about them.
 
2013-01-10 09:37:21 AM  

Alexei Novikov: In before QA derp.

I signed up for this probably a year or so ago. I'm assuming the eight-year training regimen will take care of the basic requirements for survival. Personally, I'm not fussed in the least that it's a one-way trip - I want off of this ride we call Earth, everyone is bugnuts crazy and shooting each other.


What do you feel is the purpose of going there?
Personally, I'd go if there seemed to be a point. But it looks like just another rat race. "The astronaut's time will be taken up with building living space and tending to self-sufficiency" (paraphrase). It's a windy bunch of rocks. If there was a chance at something else - using the lower gravity to use Mars as a staging point for other solar missions, sure! Blow some asteroids down to start terraforming events, sure! But as far as I can see, you're just signing up to play house on a windy bunch of rocks. No?
 
2013-01-10 09:39:08 AM  

overlord_mike: Its a one-way trip everyone.



imageshack.us
 
2013-01-10 09:40:32 AM  

braedan: You don't get voted off so much as airlock'd.


3.bp.blogspot.com
At least your leg won't hurt anymore.
 
2013-01-10 09:40:47 AM  

ciberido: miss diminutive: I wonder if they'll sterilize the colonists. Giving birth on a planet with only 1/4th Earth gravity would have some pretty serious consequences, I would think.

Good idea.  Mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids.  In fact it's cold as hell, and there's no one there to raise them if you did.


He'll just be burning out his fuse up there alone.
 
2013-01-10 09:42:06 AM  

jrw8778: Yeah I was reading about this, and it occurred to me that they talk a lot about sending people to Mars, but once you're there, there's no talk about coming home.


You're trying out to be a colonist, not a tourist.
 
2013-01-10 09:49:48 AM  

miss diminutive: Prevailing Wind: miss diminutive: I wonder if they'll sterilize the colonists. Giving birth on a planet with only 1/4th Earth gravity would have some pretty serious consequences, I would think.

VERY TALL KIDS!

With bone densities of birds.


I suspect that bone density would be the least of your worries. Microgravity experiments in the 70's showed that rats impregnated in normal gravity could come to term and give birth in space, however conceptions that took place in space were inviable. Recent work done in Japan suggests that in in microgravity there are problems with establishing the embryonic axis which eventually inhibits blastocyst formation.

Of course Mars' gravity may be enough to avoid such problems.
 
2013-01-10 09:55:30 AM  

braedan: You don't get voted off so much as airlock'd.


www.cyberpunkreview.com

I'm ok with this. Imagine Justin Beiber going first.
 
2013-01-10 09:58:18 AM  

miss diminutive: I wonder if they'll sterilize the colonists. Giving birth on a planet with only 1/4th Earth gravity would have some pretty serious consequences, I would think.


I hope so. Because space sex.
 
2013-01-10 09:59:01 AM  

Gabrielmot: If this was a serious scientific expedition, we'd see them run trials on all people who want to go. They'd make the same setup here and put all of the contestants in a similar habitat with no contact to the outside world for an entire year or two at least to see what happened.


I take it you didn't read TFA. The selection and training process is planned to take 8 years, of which I have to assume that some part will be spent in isolation.
 
2013-01-10 10:07:48 AM  
The company is just an attention whore.

Nobody is going to be sent to Mars. Not only is it a one-way trip, but resupplying four humans for the rest of their natural lives will cost hundreds of billions of dollars. Solar might help a little probe out, but four humans will require the full gamut of power sources - probably nuclear, solar, and wind. We haven't found any power sources to tap into on that distant rock. And the large annual resupply launches - pray one doesn't blow up or get lost on the way. Yeah, the humans should plan on a horrible death early.

A good trial run would be to have some people live at the south pole for 4-5 years continuously. Currently there is a large facility and people come and go all the time. Maybe we should try sticking four people in that facility and abandon them completely - just drop in some supplies once a year. Then we will see how that works out.

/Redrum Redrum
 
2013-01-10 10:08:56 AM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: 'Dammit Cohagen, gib de peeple de aiyah.'


"fark 'em!"
 
2013-01-10 10:16:12 AM  

miss diminutive: I wonder if they'll sterilize the colonists. Giving birth on a planet with only 1/4th Earth gravity would have some pretty serious consequences, I would think.


"Mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids... In fact, it's cold as hell. And there's no one there to raise them, if you did."

/really, I'm the first?
 
2013-01-10 10:16:22 AM  
Ill do it! how many of you do I have to kill? And if I die there will be statues and schools of me everywhere.
 
2013-01-10 10:18:42 AM  

washington-babylon: miss diminutive: I wonder if they'll sterilize the colonists. Giving birth on a planet with only 1/4th Earth gravity would have some pretty serious consequences, I would think.

"Mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids... In fact, it's cold as hell. And there's no one there to raise them, if you did."

/really, I'm the first?


Dammit!
 
2013-01-10 10:19:33 AM  

jrw8778: Yeah I was reading about this, and it occurred to me that they talk a lot about sending people to Mars, but once you're there, there's no talk about coming home. That's a little disconcerting.


There isn't. They're doing it the right way--a colonization mission. It's too small, though.

The First Four Katy Perry Albums: Is it just me or is this completely unrealistic due to costs and will never happen (at least not this project and by the 2023 timeframe)? Not to mention - wouldn't you need to go deep underground on Mars, or else have like a meter of lead between you and an atmosphere filled with deadly radiation?


Yeah, the chance that a manned bird will fly is clearly zero.

rwfan: As for budgets IIRC the estimated costs of getting a crew to Mars and back works out to be the take of the top 10 or 15 grossing movies. These guys aren't planning on bringing anyone back but I suspect keeping people alive on Mars would be more expensive than bringing them back. So I agree that these guys are not likely to succeed in pulling together enough money to succeed but I think their chances are larger than infinitesimal. Another thing is after you have been sitting on Mars staring at red dust for a few months you would probably wish you were dead.


To keep a few people alive is expensive, to keep many is not--you don't keep them alive, you ship enough stuff that they can keep themselves alive.

Anyway, consider something that came up in the Apollo program--the hardest part of the mission was getting them home. Until they realized they could leave their return fuel/supplies in lunar orbit they simply couldn't make the numbers work well. (If you want to put the same real payload on the moon without leaving stuff in orbit you end up having to use two Saturn Vs to launch it instead of one!) They were facing Kennedy's deadline and were looking at a way of meeting the spirit of the goal: Mission #1 is unmanned, it's carrying 5 years of supplies. Mission #2 has a crew of one but no return stage. NASA gets an explorer on the moon for 5 years and by then either figures out how to get him home or at least can send up another supply rocket (something that they would have already succeeded at before the manned launch.)

Note the numbers: The same booster that can round-trip 3 men for a few days can supply one man for 5 years. Mars has similar delta-v requirements to get there (remember, Mars has an atmosphere. You don't have to match velocities, you just need to get to the right point in space) but a much higher delta-v requirement to get home. This makes the balance shift even more to sending supplies instead of a return stage.
 
2013-01-10 10:21:57 AM  

way south: If I can take my guns and my dogs then hell yea.
Pick me up on the way to the airport.

/otherwise I'll leave colonization to the more adventurous.
/or maybe not, I'd still be damn tempted.
/launch costs are dropping so its an unrealistic idea that's becoming more feasible every year.


If they make you take a robot dog, make sure the switch on the back is set to "exploration companion", rather than "vicious slaughterer of anything that moves". Scientists think that kind of shiat is hilarious.
 
2013-01-10 10:25:05 AM  
Best way to troll this for our /snicker "best and brightest"...

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-10 10:25:28 AM  

Farce-Side: SO...who wants to help fund my plan to kill a group of people gullible enough to volunteer to be killed in the name of science? It'll be groundbreaking, and may or may not involve killing them slowly by way of oxygen deprivation and radiation poisoning.


Gotta die of something. May as well be for science.

Sign me up.
 
2013-01-10 10:29:56 AM  
I'd watch various people being launched into the sun.
 
2013-01-10 10:31:40 AM  

washington-babylon: miss diminutive: I wonder if they'll sterilize the colonists. Giving birth on a planet with only 1/4th Earth gravity would have some pretty serious consequences, I would think.

"Mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids... In fact, it's cold as hell. And there's no one there to raise them, if you did."

/really, I'm the first?


Ummm...
 
2013-01-10 10:34:12 AM  

miss diminutive: washington-babylon: miss diminutive: I wonder if they'll sterilize the colonists. Giving birth on a planet with only 1/4th Earth gravity would have some pretty serious consequences, I would think.

"Mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids... In fact, it's cold as hell. And there's no one there to raise them, if you did."

/really, I'm the first?

Ummm...


Dammit!
 
2013-01-10 10:34:20 AM  
They should send monkeys first.
 
2013-01-10 10:37:09 AM  

jrw8778: Yeah I was reading about this, and it occurred to me that they talk a lot about sending people to Mars, but once you're there, there's no talk about coming home. That's a little disconcerting.


No, it's called colonizing. Pioneers have never expected to return home. Explorers come home (see Apollo). You can send ten times as many colonists as explorers for the same money and equipment. However, the timeline does provide for returns, but not for a decade or more.
 
2013-01-10 10:38:53 AM  

Deep Contact: They should send monkeys first.


Or relocate GITMO..
 
2013-01-10 10:41:53 AM  
This mission is Farnsworth-approved.
www.cavemancircus.com
 
2013-01-10 10:44:50 AM  

jrw8778: Yeah I was reading about this, and it occurred to me that they talk a lot about sending people to Mars, but once you're there, there's no talk about coming home. That's a little disconcerting.


I'd go, even if it was one-way.
 
2013-01-10 10:48:27 AM  

AmazinTim: This mission is Farnsworth-approved.
[www.cavemancircus.com image 500x282]


Now is your chance to leave.
 
2013-01-10 10:49:07 AM  
As much of a fan of the idea as I am - only because it would be cool to see people step foot on another planet in my lifetime - I don't really see the point.

Mars is a large, cold, lifeless rock. Having actual people there won't help us learn anything more than the probes we have poking around there now. In other words, we wouldn't learn much more than that we could do it.

Anyone who is planning on sitting in a spaceship for 2 years (approximate travel time by today's technology), then landing and being confined to a small box for the rest of their lives, is probably too insane to be trusted with anything worthwhile anyway.

And what about the VanAllen belt? That's the only thing protecting this planet from the suns cosmic rays. Mars has no magnetism, therefore no equivalent belts. So how do they plan on sheilding the people from the suns rays?


In the end, I think it would be more practical to put a colony on the moon. That, to me, doesn't seem much more complex than the ISS that we are currently flying around on.
 
2013-01-10 10:51:27 AM  

Farce-Side: SO...who wants to help fund my plan to kill a group of people gullible enough to volunteer to be killed in the name of science? It'll be groundbreaking, and may or may not involve killing them slowly by way of oxygen deprivation and radiation poisoning.


I'm sure there will be plenty of washed up reality stars who want to rekindle their 15 minutes of fame who would volunteer........sadly though then they'd get their names listed as something useful like an astronaut instead of just a waste of space.
 
2013-01-10 10:54:43 AM  

Haliburton Cummings: way south: If I can take my guns and my dogs then hell yea.
Pick me up on the way to the airport.

/otherwise I'll leave colonization to the more adventurous.
/or maybe not, I'd still be damn tempted.
/launch costs are dropping so its an unrealistic idea that's becoming more feasible every year.

it's called the "Red Planet" not the "Redneck" planet...

they don't let you take Klan outfits or bibles either apparently.

/sad for you


So having a dog makes you a racist now?
You sound like a pathetic "cat person".

born_yesterday: If they make you take a robot dog, make sure the switch on the back is set to "exploration companion", rather than "vicious slaughterer of anything that moves". Scientists think that kind of shiat is hilarious.


Its their own damn fault for not labeling the buttons clearly.

/I thought that was the "wait here till I get back" setting.
 
2013-01-10 10:56:25 AM  

miss diminutive: Prevailing Wind: miss diminutive: I wonder if they'll sterilize the colonists. Giving birth on a planet with only 1/4th Earth gravity would have some pretty serious consequences, I would think.

VERY TALL KIDS!

With bone densities of birds.


So, Turians?
 
2013-01-10 10:56:39 AM  
thumbs.imagekind.com

sad that there were no KSR references yet
 
2013-01-10 10:58:23 AM  

Loren: Note the numbers: The same booster that can round-trip 3 men for a few days can supply one man for 5 years.


I doubt that claim but assuming it's true it supports my point. It's cheaper to send a few people to Mars and get them back then to start a colony on Mars. Instead of one rocket for 3 people you need two for one person just to live for five years. To create something sustainable you need to send not only food and energy supplies for at least a couple of years you need living quarters, structures to grow food, transportation equipment, equipment to manufacture and build and you need far more than 3 people. Thinking about it, the costs must be orders of magnitude more that a manned return mission.
 
2013-01-10 10:58:57 AM  
Why?
 
2013-01-10 10:59:23 AM  
The Zhti Ti Kofft won't tolerate humans on their soil! Read more.
http://www.uncoveror.com/nomars.htm
 
2013-01-10 11:11:10 AM  

Barnstormer: "There are no plans to return the pioneers to Earth."

There are so many people I would "volunteer" to do this.


The Marching Morons. (A story by CM Kornbluth)
 
2013-01-10 11:11:39 AM  
I'll be wary if there's a guy named Benny

/also, I'd like to volunteer for the mission, once I get my mars motorcycle ready
 
2013-01-10 11:13:05 AM  
I think it is entirely possible we could send a colonization mission to mars in the next 20-30 years. There are serious people who think they can get it done, they are working on the technical and financial challenges. The guys involved in the story from the article are not them. They have no plan for funding, and don't even acknowledge the technical hurdles. I'm pretty sure at this point that the Mars One project is just a scam to trick gullible people into participating in a reality television show that will occur entirely on this planet.
 
2013-01-10 11:14:45 AM  
I wonder how far my ejaculate could travel in zero gravity...
 
2013-01-10 11:14:54 AM  
www.1969dchsreunion.com
 
2013-01-10 11:15:00 AM  

starsrift: I think I would pass the selection criteria. Three years ago, I would've jumped at this.

But now I see Mars as nothing but a barren dustball. I don't see the point of this. "Curiousity" is insufficient - we can map and record every feature of Mars. This seems like throwing four humans on a one-way trip for nothing but the same reasons to hit a golf ball around on the moon.

There's nothing there, and we don't yet have the technology to make anything there that's more meaningful than an undersea base in our own oceans - and it would be less meaningful, because there are tons of scientific possibilities in our oceans! Mars is just a dead rock with a razor's edge of atmo.


Can it be terraformed the slow way (plants and water)?
 
2013-01-10 11:20:04 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: starsrift: I think I would pass the selection criteria. Three years ago, I would've jumped at this.

But now I see Mars as nothing but a barren dustball. I don't see the point of this. "Curiousity" is insufficient - we can map and record every feature of Mars. This seems like throwing four humans on a one-way trip for nothing but the same reasons to hit a golf ball around on the moon.

There's nothing there, and we don't yet have the technology to make anything there that's more meaningful than an undersea base in our own oceans - and it would be less meaningful, because there are tons of scientific possibilities in our oceans! Mars is just a dead rock with a razor's edge of atmo.

Can it be terraformed the slow way (plants and water)?


Can it? I don't think it can. Further analysis of the polar cap may prove otherwise, but it would seem to me that if your watertable is already so low that most of the water is beneath the surface, where are you going to get your water from to do it in the slow way? Finding an ice asteroid or seven and flinging them down at the surface seems the most logical method.
 
2013-01-10 11:20:37 AM  

drongozone: A new life awaits you in the off-world colonies! A chance to begin again in a golden land of opportunity and adventure!


Isn't that the info they gave the pilgrims and the Roanoke people? With no return, no re-supply, nothing to live on, and nothing to breathe, it's suicide with a spacecraft.
 
2013-01-10 11:29:28 AM  

durbnpoisn: As much of a fan of the idea as I am - only because it would be cool to see people step foot on another planet in my lifetime - I don't really see the point.

Mars is a large, cold, lifeless rock. Having actual people there won't help us learn anything more than the probes we have poking around there now. In other words, we wouldn't learn much more than that we could do it.

Anyone who is planning on sitting in a spaceship for 2 years (approximate travel time by today's technology), then landing and being confined to a small box for the rest of their lives, is probably too insane to be trusted with anything worthwhile anyway.

And what about the VanAllen belt? That's the only thing protecting this planet from the suns cosmic rays. Mars has no magnetism, therefore no equivalent belts. So how do they plan on sheilding the people from the suns rays?


In the end, I think it would be more practical to put a colony on the moon. That, to me, doesn't seem much more complex than the ISS that we are currently flying around on.


Not really a huge problem. Mars does not have a planetary magnetic field but it does have the "fossil" remnants of one that manifest as magnetic bands. By settling in one of those bands, and covering the habitations with several centimetres of soil the radiation levels would be earth normal. Environmental suits with added shielding would be needed for outside work and protocols would need to be established to limit exposure, but again it's managable.
 
2013-01-10 11:31:14 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: starsrift: I think I would pass the selection criteria. Three years ago, I would've jumped at this.

But now I see Mars as nothing but a barren dustball. I don't see the point of this. "Curiousity" is insufficient - we can map and record every feature of Mars. This seems like throwing four humans on a one-way trip for nothing but the same reasons to hit a golf ball around on the moon.

There's nothing there, and we don't yet have the technology to make anything there that's more meaningful than an undersea base in our own oceans - and it would be less meaningful, because there are tons of scientific possibilities in our oceans! Mars is just a dead rock with a razor's edge of atmo.

Can it be terraformed the slow way (plants and water)?


You would need to do some work first. The atmosphere is so thin and the gravity so much less than Earth's the atmospheric pressure is below the triple point of water. So liquid water pretty quickly boils away or freezes. You would have to build up the atmosphere first, after that find a way to trap enough sunlight to heat it up and after that would be the question of whether plants that have evolved to survive in Earth's atmosphere could survive in Mars' (which would be different)
 
2013-01-10 11:36:00 AM  

Mike_1962: durbnpoisn: As much of a fan of the idea as I am - only because it would be cool to see people step foot on another planet in my lifetime - I don't really see the point.

Mars is a large, cold, lifeless rock. Having actual people there won't help us learn anything more than the probes we have poking around there now. In other words, we wouldn't learn much more than that we could do it.

Anyone who is planning on sitting in a spaceship for 2 years (approximate travel time by today's technology), then landing and being confined to a small box for the rest of their lives, is probably too insane to be trusted with anything worthwhile anyway.

And what about the VanAllen belt? That's the only thing protecting this planet from the suns cosmic rays. Mars has no magnetism, therefore no equivalent belts. So how do they plan on sheilding the people from the suns rays?


In the end, I think it would be more practical to put a colony on the moon. That, to me, doesn't seem much more complex than the ISS that we are currently flying around on.

Not really a huge problem. Mars does not have a planetary magnetic field but it does have the "fossil" remnants of one that manifest as magnetic bands. By settling in one of those bands, and covering the habitations with several centimetres of soil the radiation levels would be earth normal. Environmental suits with added shielding would be needed for outside work and protocols would need to be established to limit exposure, but again it's managable.


Wouldn't the simple solution be to dig a hole to live in and do work on the surface at night? Still gotta worry about cosmic rays from deep space, but those are comparatively rare and everything from the sun should be shielded by the planet.
 
2013-01-10 11:39:21 AM  

Monty845: Mike_1962: durbnpoisn: As much of a fan of the idea as I am - only because it would be cool to see people step foot on another planet in my lifetime - I don't really see the point.

Mars is a large, cold, lifeless rock. Having actual people there won't help us learn anything more than the probes we have poking around there now. In other words, we wouldn't learn much more than that we could do it.

Anyone who is planning on sitting in a spaceship for 2 years (approximate travel time by today's technology), then landing and being confined to a small box for the rest of their lives, is probably too insane to be trusted with anything worthwhile anyway.

And what about the VanAllen belt? That's the only thing protecting this planet from the suns cosmic rays. Mars has no magnetism, therefore no equivalent belts. So how do they plan on sheilding the people from the suns rays?


In the end, I think it would be more practical to put a colony on the moon. That, to me, doesn't seem much more complex than the ISS that we are currently flying around on.

Not really a huge problem. Mars does not have a planetary magnetic field but it does have the "fossil" remnants of one that manifest as magnetic bands. By settling in one of those bands, and covering the habitations with several centimetres of soil the radiation levels would be earth normal. Environmental suits with added shielding would be needed for outside work and protocols would need to be established to limit exposure, but again it's managable.

Wouldn't the simple solution be to dig a hole to live in and do work on the surface at night? Still gotta worry about cosmic rays from deep space, but those are comparatively rare and everything from the sun should be shielded by the planet.


Yeah, that would work too.
 
2013-01-10 11:43:40 AM  

Monty845: Wouldn't the simple solution be to dig a hole to live in and do work on the surface at night? Still gotta worry about cosmic rays from deep space, but those are comparatively rare and everything from the sun should be shielded by the planet.


At the equator, Martian night drops the temp to -100'F.

That's not really doable.
 
2013-01-10 11:49:38 AM  

Monty845: Wouldn't the simple solution be to dig a hole to live in and do work on the surface at night? Still gotta worry about cosmic rays from deep space, but those are comparatively rare and everything from the sun should be shielded by the planet.


Radiation levels at the Martian surface appear to be roughly similar to those experienced by astronauts in low-Earth orbit, NASA's Mars rover Curiosity has found.

You probably only need to be in the hole when a solar flare hits
 
2013-01-10 12:00:51 PM  

starsrift: Monty845: Wouldn't the simple solution be to dig a hole to live in and do work on the surface at night? Still gotta worry about cosmic rays from deep space, but those are comparatively rare and everything from the sun should be shielded by the planet.

At the equator, Martian night drops the temp to -100'F.

That's not really doable.


Given how thin the martian atmosphere is, wouldn't you mainly be facing heat loss from radiation rather then by conduction? In which case your no worse off then someone doing a space walk right?
 
2013-01-10 12:05:01 PM  

drongozone: A new life awaits you in the off-world colonies! A chance to begin again in a golden land of opportunity and adventure!


*pull up collar, banks flying car past Coke billboard*

"If Off world is so great,..."


"Bryant: They jumped a shuttle off-world, killed the crew and passengers. We found the shuttle drifting off the coast two weeks ago, so we know they're around.
Deckard: Embarrassing.
Bryant: No sir. Not embarrassing, because no one's ever going to find out they're down here. 'Cause you're gonna spot 'em and you're gonna air 'em out!
Deckard: I don't work here anymore. Give it to Holden. He's good.
Bryant: I did. He can breathe okay, as long as nobody unplugs him. "
 
2013-01-10 12:10:42 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: 'Dammit Cohagen, gib de peeple de aiyah.'


I larfed.
 
2013-01-10 12:17:52 PM  
Of course the radiation and loneliness issues have already been solved
images.nymag.com
 
2013-01-10 12:24:06 PM  
If they're gonna have telepathic dragons and the charter clearly states I get to knock up 3 different women, then sign me the fark up!
 
2013-01-10 12:35:05 PM  

Gabrielmot: You know, barring the obvious scientific difficulties with this idea... What bothers me is you are going to send a group of people who barely know each other to a planet where they can really only hang out in the structures you built and go outside for only short amounts of time.

Where would food, air, water, etc. come from? What about entertainment? You can't easily get a good internet connection there, and you'd have no movie theatre. No advanced medical equipment if something went wrong. No mining equipment to produce more structures and habitats...

This is closer to creating a prison in the middle of the desert and giving everyone there a life sentence. -They'd go crazy without a ton of life's comforts.

If this was a serious scientific expedition, we'd see them run trials on all people who want to go. They'd make the same setup here and put all of the contestants in a similar habitat with no contact to the outside world for an entire year or two at least to see what happened.

At best this is a marketing gimmick to get attention and money for a project that even *if* it takes off will end up with a gruesome end.

That being said, I too would like to help colonize another planet. But a planet that on its own could easily support *human* life so I could walk outside and breathe in the fresh air.


Already done:
Link
 
2013-01-10 12:46:06 PM  
I grok this. I got a few "water brothers" I'd volunteer for a one way trip across the solar system.

/Really? Nobody?
 
2013-01-10 12:50:44 PM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: starsrift: I think I would pass the selection criteria. Three years ago, I would've jumped at this.

Can it be terraformed the slow way (plants and water)?


In short, no. There is no such thing as the Genesis Project in real life.

In long...
There is pretty much no way to build a planetwide biosphere on Mars that we could make useful for us. It is way too far outside of the zone of habitibility. Assuming that Mars had a useful atosphere at one time, clearly it lacked the composition to maintian itself and boiled away. There is pretty much no way in our lifetime that we could do something on a planetary scale to fix what fate has already denied it.
Keep in mind that part of the reason that we have such an accomidating atmosphere is because of all the water. The oceans and the air need to be treated as one system. They are one system. And it took 75% of the surface of the planet to make it so. That would be literally impossible on Mars. Where would you get all the water? How would keep it on the surface without it boiling away?

So that leaves us with, perhaps, creating some sort of a biodome. It would take forever to build, but once it was done, all aspects of the environment except for the gravity could be controlled and maintained.
 
2013-01-10 01:12:07 PM  

durbnpoisn: ExperianScaresCthulhu: starsrift: I think I would pass the selection criteria. Three years ago, I would've jumped at this.

Can it be terraformed the slow way (plants and water)?

In short, no. There is no such thing as the Genesis Project in real life.

In long...
There is pretty much no way to build a planetwide biosphere on Mars that we could make useful for us. It is way too far outside of the zone of habitibility. Assuming that Mars had a useful atosphere at one time, clearly it lacked the composition to maintian itself and boiled away. There is pretty much no way in our lifetime that we could do something on a planetary scale to fix what fate has already denied it.
Keep in mind that part of the reason that we have such an accomidating atmosphere is because of all the water. The oceans and the air need to be treated as one system. They are one system. And it took 75% of the surface of the planet to make it so. That would be literally impossible on Mars. Where would you get all the water? How would keep it on the surface without it boiling away?

So that leaves us with, perhaps, creating some sort of a biodome. It would take forever to build, but once it was done, all aspects of the environment except for the gravity could be controlled and maintained.


While not perfect it would most likely have to either completely or mostly underground in order to protect the colony.
 
2013-01-10 01:17:38 PM  
Wouldn't that be pretty much the same thing as making a biodome of sorts?

That is, just putting everything underground won't solve anything if it's not a sealed environment.
 
2013-01-10 01:43:08 PM  

The First Four Katy Perry Albums: Is it just me or is this completely unrealistic due to costs and will never happen (at least not this project and by the 2023 timeframe)? Not to mention - wouldn't you need to go deep underground on Mars, or else have like a meter of lead between you and an atmosphere filled with deadly radiation?


I guess you don't understand much about radiation.

Even if its was remotely true that the "atmosphere is filled with deadly radiation", you certainly wouldn't need a meter of lead to shield you.
 
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2013-01-10 02:00:23 PM  

loaba: If they're gonna have telepathic dragons and the charter clearly states I get to knock up 3 different women, then sign me the fark up!

Seas boil, mountains move,
Sands heat, dragons prove,
Red Mars passes.

Stones pile, fires burn,
Green withers. Arm Earth!
Red Mars passes.

Star Stone watch, Scan sky.
Ready the weyrs. Riders fly!
Red Mars passes.



Put me down for a Bronze, two blondes and a redhead.
 
2013-01-10 03:28:52 PM  

Prevailing Wind: miss diminutive: I wonder if they'll sterilize the colonists. Giving birth on a planet with only 1/4th Earth gravity would have some pretty serious consequences, I would think.

VERY TALL KIDS!


What people born to low gravity planets might look like:
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-10 03:41:10 PM  

The First Four Katy Perry Albums: Not to mention - wouldn't you need to go deep underground on Mars, or else have like a meter of lead between you and an atmosphere filled with deadly radiation?


I imagine that depends on how much you like cancer.

It would be cool as shiat to put humans on Mars but... probably not a terribly useful thing to do. Although we would probably learn an assload of cool stuff along the way, which might have many applications down the road.
 
2013-01-10 04:42:32 PM  

Crackers Are a Family Food: jrw8778: Yeah I was reading about this, and it occurred to me that they talk a lot about sending people to Mars, but once you're there, there's no talk about coming home. That's a little disconcerting.

Maybe to you.


Yea, that is not the disconcerting part to me. The part that I am having problems with is the 4 people for the first wave with no back-up for 2 years. There is not much redundancy there.
 
2013-01-10 06:51:21 PM  
Will internet porn be available?
 
2013-01-10 08:53:07 PM  
geekoutlaw.com
 
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