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2013-01-10 12:11:06 PM  

Tommy Moo: I just don't understand why developers need any more hardware power. Is anyone complaining that some and such video game sucked because it wasn't pushing enough polygons? We are well into the area of diminishing returns on processing power impacting game enjoyment.


Play Blops2 on a 360. It's rendering at somewhere around 640x480 internally and then upscaling it (which requires exceptionally less grunt that rendering at 720p). This is on top of ever decreasing map sizes, FOV reductions, increases in how large the weapons are (less to render), reduced skybox height, reductions in level/map complexity and every other trick you can pull to make the 360 actually try and look good. The PS3 is worse.

A GeForce 6800 Ultra will cane a 360's GPU and a Core 2 Duo capable of out MIPSing it's CPU. Both of those are obsolete. Developers want to push more polygons, they want more realistic looking characters, they want more complex levels, tessellation effects and such. But you can't do that with 8 year old hardware at 512MB total RAM.

Hell developers would squee themselves out of clean underwear if someone figured out how to give a 360 1GB of RAM and hold 30fps whilst rendering at 1080p.
 
2013-01-10 12:13:11 PM  

deeproy: Why is that one girl playing Mario Cart on an XBox?


Ha, you're right. I didn't even think of that.... this is a Microsoft product, right? So are they saying their peripherals will work on the Wii also?

Subby, unification of all game consoles would count as a pretty big step forward... though i don't think that is what this video was meant to imply.
 
2013-01-10 12:15:17 PM  

OceanVortex: So are they saying their peripherals will work on the Wii also?


I dnrtfa but I'm guessing it works with the TV so whatever is on the TV is what is displayed. If it's peripheral dependent, that would be epically stupid.
 
2013-01-10 12:15:43 PM  

tallen702: Theaetetus: tallen702: Unless you have a theater quality projector throwing that image on your walls, it's going to look out of place compared to that nice, brutally sharp image on the 1080p 50" screen you're playing on.

[www.webexhibits.org image 475x190]
Unless you're not actually human, your visual acuity significantly degrades a mere 5 degrees to either side of what you're looking at, so if you're focused on that nice, brutally sharp image on the 1080p 50" screen you're playing on, any blurriness in the surrounding image is irrelevant.

I'll give you that, but what about when something happens off screen and on the wall projection that catches your eye? Think of it like this, you're playing a multi-player FPS and you see movement up on the wall projection, you instinct is going to be to focus your eyes on it, not pan to it on the screen with your controller. It'll still be disjointed.


Not really - think of it like now, you're playing a multiplayer FPS and you hear something off the screen, or there's a flash of light coming from one side. You pan over to see it.
Additionally, just add a bit of head tracking - you've already got the camera and Kinect system - so that if you turn your head to look to one side, the camera rotates the view halfway to meet you.

My point is that you would quickly adapt, just as you currently adapt to playing games now with what essentially amounts to blinders.
 
2013-01-10 12:18:53 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Valve's on it, subby:
[www.extremetech.com image 640x353]
/hot


That's called a computer. It's not a console by any stretch of the imagination. Unless you stretch your imagination enough that consoles and computers are the same thing.
 
2013-01-10 12:19:00 PM  

tallen702: Theaetetus: tallen702: Unless you have a theater quality projector throwing that image on your walls, it's going to look out of place compared to that nice, brutally sharp image on the 1080p 50" screen you're playing on.

[www.webexhibits.org image 475x190]
Unless you're not actually human, your visual acuity significantly degrades a mere 5 degrees to either side of what you're looking at, so if you're focused on that nice, brutally sharp image on the 1080p 50" screen you're playing on, any blurriness in the surrounding image is irrelevant.

I'll give you that, but what about when something happens off screen and on the wall projection that catches your eye? Think of it like this, you're playing a multi-player FPS and you see movement up on the wall projection, you instinct is going to be to focus your eyes on it, not pan to it on the screen with your controller. It'll still be disjointed.


I think it is meant to be like real life. If you see something in your peripheral vision you orient yourself to look at it.
 
2013-01-10 12:20:39 PM  

jtown: Tyrone Slothrop: Valve's on it, subby:
[www.extremetech.com image 640x353]
/hot

That's called a computer. It's not a console by any stretch of the imagination. Unless you stretch your imagination enough that consoles and computers are the same thing.


... Are you not aware of Modern Consoles?
 
2013-01-10 12:21:23 PM  

mongbiohazard: Tommy Moo: Lumbar Puncture: Tom_Slick: Cool, and why do they need a new console the 360 still works great, has an unbelievable library of games and the only advance I can think of is 3D not someting i desire in a video game.

Not subby, but the 360 is 8 years old. Developers can do a lot more now with game design but are restrained by nearly decade old limitations.

That and it has reached market saturation. Year over year sales of video games have dropped for the last couple of years as the market has become stagnant.

I'll be playing my backlog for years, but unless you want to see further contraction with game developers, then there needs to be fresh blood in the market.

I just don't understand why developers need any more hardware power. Is anyone complaining that some and such video game sucked because it wasn't pushing enough polygons? We are well into the area of diminishing returns on processing power impacting game enjoyment.


I'm complaining about it. With so many (if not most) games now being released on three platforms (PC, PS3 and Xbox) the consoles' old hardware has slowed down the advancement of graphics in games in general. The PC I've had for years now still utterly demolishes the specs required to run any game out there and graphics have not significantly increased in complexity for years now because of the effect the old console hardware is having on the market.

I'm sick of it, but the only way it's going to change is if the Xbox and/or Playstation get a significant hardware update.


If more PC gamers actually purchased their games instead of pirating them, there would be more incentive for game makers to cater to your crowd. As it is, eat the bowl of dicks you made.
 
2013-01-10 12:22:12 PM  

jtown: Unless you stretch your imagination enough that consoles and computers are the same thing.


The considerable computing capability of the PlayStation 3's Cell microprocessors has raised interest in using multiple, networked PS3s for various tasks that require affordable high-performance computing
Link
 
2013-01-10 12:23:05 PM  

jtown: Tyrone Slothrop: Valve's on it, subby:
[www.extremetech.com image 640x353]
/hot

That's called a computer. It's not a console by any stretch of the imagination. Unless you stretch your imagination enough that consoles and computers are the same thing.


Dumb question what is the difference? I thought consoles were basically just computers with fixed hardware/software so developers knew what they were getting.
 
2013-01-10 12:24:52 PM  

Telos: Because they have started releasing rumors about the consoles coming out this year, maybe?


No actually they haven't. A lot of gamer websites have been busy making random crap up that gets submitted to places like Fark and taken as gospel. To whit: The PS4 will have an AMD CPU and a Radeon 7xxx series GPU. Except someone built a test rig using those parts and the PS3's PPC CPU out MIPS'd it.

The '720' will have a x64 CPU is another such rumour that's gone whizzing around. It's technobabble as much as reversing the tachyon flow in the deflector is. It's either x86 or x86_64 but then why would Sony/Microsoft junk all the billions they poured in to getting IBM to do custom PPC silicon for them? Yeah I can imagine THAT conference call with the share holders "Yeah, we're going to junk this thing we sank billions in to for giggles and instead use generic PC components because that worked so well for us with the original xbox... nobody hacked it to run XBMC or anything."

None of these rumours have come from the manu's, they've come from 'gamer' websites trying to get ad views from a market of people exceptionally hungry for something, anything, that may appear even remotely tangible and could indicate an imminent release of the next installment of their most beloved console franchise.

Remember the Kinect? Everyone was hyping that there'd be a whole new console to go with it and how awesome it was going to be. Nope. Hell Microsoft even outright said that the 360 + Kinect = 'the 720'.
 
2013-01-10 12:25:31 PM  

jtown: That's called a computer. It's not a console by any stretch of the imagination. Unless you stretch your imagination enough that consoles and computers are the same thing.


....what?
 
2013-01-10 12:26:54 PM  
"George, I wish you'd look at the nursery."
"What's wrong with it?"
"I don't know."
 
2013-01-10 12:27:28 PM  

Nemo's Brother:
If more PC gamers actually purchased their games instead of pirating them, there would be more incentive for game makers to cater to your crowd. As it is, eat the bowl of dicks you made.


And the guy down the market selling chip'd 360's says you console scum can't be trusted any more than the 'glorious PC gaming master race' can.

Besides which, why the hell would a PC gamer pirate anything? Just wait for the damn steam sale.
 
2013-01-10 12:28:35 PM  

abhorrent1: deeproy: Why is that one girl playing Mario Cart on an XBox?

Some people own more that one console.


So Microsoft is shilling for Nintendo now?
 
2013-01-10 12:39:09 PM  
I cannot understand why game developers publishing to the PC platform. It's not like they're using Bittorrent to download games for free or modding the shiat out of multiplayer games in order to cheat online.
 
2013-01-10 12:45:56 PM  

Tommy Moo: I just don't understand why developers need any more hardware power.


When your telephone is more powerful than your gaming console you are doing it wrong. Current gen consoles predate cheap RAM and SSDs. Processors double in power every 18 months, and the XBox 360 is 7 years old. Game designers have reached the limits of what the old hardware can handle.

Tommy Moo: Is anyone complaining that some and such video game sucked because it wasn't pushing enough polygons?


People do complain about slow load times, limited graphics capabilities and the people who design games would LOVE to be able to push more polygons.

Tommy Moo: We are well into the area of diminishing returns on processing power impacting game enjoyment.


Are we really? I'm not even a little bit convinced. Nor am I convinced by the diminishing returns argument at present. And it's not just processing power that needs an upgrade. Would it be too much to ask to have gaming consoles with more RAM than an iPhone?
 
2013-01-10 12:48:20 PM  

JRaynor: ThatGuyGreg: Cythraul: One more step closer to the holy grail - the holodeck.

It's been said before but the worst job is Star Fleet has to be the mop guy assigned to the holodecks


I always figured that any material left in there after a session, or in the toilet holding tanks, was reclaimed via transporter and used as building material for the food replicators.
 
2013-01-10 12:56:02 PM  

RatMaster999: JRaynor: ThatGuyGreg: Cythraul: One more step closer to the holy grail - the holodeck.

It's been said before but the worst job is Star Fleet has to be the mop guy assigned to the holodecks

I always figured that any material left in there after a session, or in the toilet holding tanks, was reclaimed via transporter and used as building material for the food replicators.


images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-01-10 12:57:06 PM  

deeproy: abhorrent1: deeproy: Why is that one girl playing Mario Cart on an XBox?

Some people own more that one console.

So Microsoft is shilling for Nintendo now?


No. Microsoft want you to buy their product, regardless of what console you have.
 
2013-01-10 01:06:05 PM  

red5ish: When your telephone is more powerful than your gaming console you are doing it wrong. Current gen consoles predate cheap RAM and SSDs. Processors double in power every 18 months, and the XBox 360 is 7 years old. Game designers have reached the limits of what the old hardware can handle.


I don't know of a wide-use phone that's more powerful than a 360 or a PS3. Hell, not even a Wii.

red5ish: People do complain about slow load times, limited graphics capabilities and the people who design games would LOVE to be able to push more polygons.


Load times, if anything, have never come down, only up. Unless you had a Sega CD or something like that. Then I just lol at (but secretly envy) you.

red5ish: Are we really? I'm not even a little bit convinced. Nor am I convinced by the diminishing returns argument at present. And it's not just processing power that needs an upgrade. Would it be too much to ask to have gaming consoles with more RAM than an iPhone?


The thing is, the longer lived the system the more you can make of it and the more you can learn from it. I agree this generation has gone far enough as it is, but I just don't see the appeal of having even more realistic graphics if there's little else to be added to the experience.

3D? Not for everyone.
Higher def? Looks nice, but so what?
Motion controls? If they're adding to the experience rather than just being there because they need to push a product (we're not even here yet!)
More processing power? Clever programmers might to interesting things with it, but looking at the next Call of Warfare: Combat Harder you see a shooter that's beneffiting nothing from more power other than looking nicer.
 
2013-01-10 01:20:41 PM  

red5ish: Tommy Moo: We are well into the area of diminishing returns on processing power impacting game enjoyment.

Are we really? I'm not even a little bit convinced. Nor am I convinced by the diminishing returns argument at present. And it's not just processing power that needs an upgrade. Would it be too much to ask to have gaming consoles with more RAM than an iPhone?


Check out this video if you have a minute: Link

Sure, there's a leap from PS2 to PS3, but do you really think it's the same size as the leap between PS1 and PS2?
 
2013-01-10 01:31:39 PM  

Theaetetus: RatMaster999: JRaynor: ThatGuyGreg: Cythraul: One more step closer to the holy grail - the holodeck.

It's been said before but the worst job is Star Fleet has to be the mop guy assigned to the holodecks

I always figured that any material left in there after a session, or in the toilet holding tanks, was reclaimed via transporter and used as building material for the food replicators.

[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 681x546]


GODDAMN YOU!

Well... fight fire with fire...

www.meh.ro
 
2013-01-10 01:35:18 PM  

Mike_LowELL: I don't think anyone knows what is the intermediary video game technology that finances the technologies that get to the holodeck.


I didn't think anyone cared. All you're going to do is masturbate all over the holodeck floor.
 
2013-01-10 01:37:57 PM  

deeproy: Why is that one girl playing Mario Cart on an XBox?


So the fanboys have something to biatch about.
1) girls (who won't fark them)
2) "casual games"
3) nintendo
 
2013-01-10 01:40:13 PM  

Parthenogenetic: Theaetetus: RatMaster999: JRaynor: ThatGuyGreg: Cythraul: One more step closer to the holy grail - the holodeck.

It's been said before but the worst job is Star Fleet has to be the mop guy assigned to the holodecks

I always figured that any material left in there after a session, or in the toilet holding tanks, was reclaimed via transporter and used as building material for the food replicators.

[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 681x546]

GODDAMN YOU!

Well... fight fire with fire...

[www.meh.ro image 500x612]

 
2013-01-10 01:40:52 PM  
Damnit!

/I has the fails
 
2013-01-10 01:46:09 PM  

moothemagiccow: I didn't think anyone cared. All you're going to do is masturbate all over the holodeck floor.


Masturbate?  Why confine the control scheme to masturbation?
 
2013-01-10 01:46:37 PM  

abhorrent1: deeproy: abhorrent1: deeproy: Why is that one girl playing Mario Cart on an XBox?

Some people own more that one console.

So Microsoft is shilling for Nintendo now?

No. Microsoft want you to buy their product, regardless of what console you have.


Well if the XBox can communicate with the Wii and tell what game I'm playing, all the more power to them.

/a little creepy tho'
 
2013-01-10 01:54:44 PM  

Parthenogenetic: Theaetetus: RatMaster999: JRaynor: ThatGuyGreg: Cythraul: One more step closer to the holy grail - the holodeck.

It's been said before but the worst job is Star Fleet has to be the mop guy assigned to the holodecks

I always figured that any material left in there after a session, or in the toilet holding tanks, was reclaimed via transporter and used as building material for the food replicators.

[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 681x546]

GODDAMN YOU!

Well... fight fire with fire...

[www.meh.ro image 500x612]


I hear Data's fully functional, and programmed in multiple techniques.
 
2013-01-10 02:12:12 PM  

moothemagiccow: Cythraul: One more step closer to the holy grail - the holodeck.

or the wall screen from Fahrenheit 451


Came for a F451 reference, leaving satisfied. Thanks.
 
2013-01-10 02:25:05 PM  
Came here for WTF is this? A console...for ants??

Leaving disappointed.
 
2013-01-10 02:30:12 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Valve's on it, subby:
[www.extremetech.com image 640x353]
/hot


Hot like $999
 
2013-01-10 02:33:24 PM  
I want enough processing power that my Sims can actually have their lives flash before their eyes when I delete all the doors and set the place on fire. Is that to much to ask?
 
2013-01-10 02:50:10 PM  

Holocaust Agnostic: I want enough processing power that my Sims can actually have their lives flash before their eyes when I delete all the doors and set the place on fire. Is that to much to ask?


My friend plays Sims, and he made a character whose only possession was a table. In a green field somewhere, muttering "I love my table!"

Sims is a weird game....
 
2013-01-10 02:52:44 PM  
So, I was playing the last Deus Ex game last night and that is when it really hit me - we have really hit the wall on what current consoles can do (and I am playing the game at 1080p on my pc). It isn't just about looking prettier. Better animation approaching or surpassing movies like Avatar and Disney's Brave.

That is why we need an upgrade. It isn't JUST about looking better (altho YES WE ARE READY for better looking games). The 360 and PS3 were fantastic machines and what they can do with them is nothing short of amazing - but in a few years we will look back on those games just as we do on old PS1 games - "good lord, how did we ever play that shiat".

I want to play a game that looks like and acts like farking reality - a reality with freedom that I don't have in ACTUAL reality and guys - we ain't there yet. NOT BY A LONG SHOT. Games like Deus Ex and Skyrim really push the boundaries, but even as good as they look, the animations are still so stiff and fake that it breaks immersion.

People have been convinced that the current consoles are "good enough" and for some, they are.

I want more. I have seen what the current consoles can do.

I WANT MORE.
 
2013-01-10 02:57:42 PM  
Ambilight on steroids, eh? Sort of neat, but not really CES worthy. You can do the same thing with a PC with two monitor outputs, a screen, and a projector. Using the Kinect to scan the room and reverse-deform the projected image is a neat trick though. People have already done it with a method akin to laser-stripe sweeping Link, but doing it w/o the sweep is pretty cool.

It's flashy and looks cool, but seems like MS could have thrown this together in less than a week.
 
2013-01-10 03:04:11 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Valve's on it, subby:
[www.extremetech.com image 640x353]
/hot


I wish Valve would stick to games.

Seriously. What's the big need for sidestepping Microsoft and Windows? Does Newell honestly believe that Microsoft is going to use Windows to lock them out of the PC gaming market? They have to keep the USDoJ happy with every release.
 
2013-01-10 03:07:37 PM  

Marine1: Tyrone Slothrop: Valve's on it, subby:
[www.extremetech.com image 640x353]
/hot

I wish Valve would stick to games.

Seriously. What's the big need for sidestepping Microsoft and Windows? Does Newell honestly believe that Microsoft is going to use Windows to lock them out of the PC gaming market? They have to keep the USDoJ happy with every release.


Gabe is a genius wrapped in an IDIOT.
 
2013-01-10 03:14:44 PM  
More immersive and details games are great but I think we are forgetting a few things.

You know that scene in 'Enemy at the gates' where the sniper picks up a couple of loose bricks and places them on a wall to further obscure his position from enemies? That's the level of immersion that I would like to see in a game. I want to be able to use my brain to decide what to do as a real person would not some pared down list of contextual options available to me that every other player in the game has already memorized. This will take a huge amount of processing power to accomplish and probably still be spoiled by the fact that it's a video game and '420bongwaterdrnkr235' will just sprint around the map with a shotgun completely unafraid of getting shot because, hey instant re-spawns.
 
2013-01-10 03:23:11 PM  

Marine1: Tyrone Slothrop: Valve's on it, subby:
[www.extremetech.com image 640x353]
/hot

I wish Valve would stick to games.

Seriously. What's the big need for sidestepping Microsoft and Windows? Does Newell honestly believe that Microsoft is going to use Windows to lock them out of the PC gaming market? They have to keep the USDoJ happy with every release.


Win8 RT is already locked-down to the MS App Store Your really don't think that that Win9 isn't going to apply that model across the board in 2015?
 
2013-01-10 03:33:37 PM  

Nemo's Brother: mongbiohazard: Tommy Moo: Lumbar Puncture: Tom_Slick: Cool, and why do they need a new console the 360 still works great, has an unbelievable library of games and the only advance I can think of is 3D not someting i desire in a video game.

Not subby, but the 360 is 8 years old. Developers can do a lot more now with game design but are restrained by nearly decade old limitations.

That and it has reached market saturation. Year over year sales of video games have dropped for the last couple of years as the market has become stagnant.

I'll be playing my backlog for years, but unless you want to see further contraction with game developers, then there needs to be fresh blood in the market.

I just don't understand why developers need any more hardware power. Is anyone complaining that some and such video game sucked because it wasn't pushing enough polygons? We are well into the area of diminishing returns on processing power impacting game enjoyment.


I'm complaining about it. With so many (if not most) games now being released on three platforms (PC, PS3 and Xbox) the consoles' old hardware has slowed down the advancement of graphics in games in general. The PC I've had for years now still utterly demolishes the specs required to run any game out there and graphics have not significantly increased in complexity for years now because of the effect the old console hardware is having on the market.

I'm sick of it, but the only way it's going to change is if the Xbox and/or Playstation get a significant hardware update.

If more PC gamers actually purchased their games instead of pirating them, there would be more incentive for game makers to cater to your crowd. As it is, eat the bowl of dicks you made.


Yes, that's why Steam has been so terribly unprofitable.
 
2013-01-10 03:49:01 PM  

Marine1: Tyrone Slothrop: Valve's on it, subby:
[www.extremetech.com image 640x353]
/hot

I wish Valve would stick to games.

Seriously. What's the big need for sidestepping Microsoft and Windows? Does Newell honestly believe that Microsoft is going to use Windows to lock them out of the PC gaming market? They have to keep the USDoJ happy with every release.


I don't think it's so much a problem with Windows as wanting to tap the market of, "if it's not on the TV with a controller, I ain't playing it (but am too incompetent to buy a HDMI cable and wireless controller)," demographic. I think ol' Gaben just wants 100% market saturation; they're the Netflix of game purchasing. They want to be on all the PCs, consoles, phones, etc. Mark my words, Steam Mobile will eventually let you buy games for your phone.
 
2013-01-10 03:49:52 PM  

madgonad: Marine1: Tyrone Slothrop: Valve's on it, subby:
[www.extremetech.com image 640x353]
/hot

I wish Valve would stick to games.

Seriously. What's the big need for sidestepping Microsoft and Windows? Does Newell honestly believe that Microsoft is going to use Windows to lock them out of the PC gaming market? They have to keep the USDoJ happy with every release.

Win8 RT is already locked-down to the MS App Store Your really don't think that that Win9 isn't going to apply that model across the board in 2015?


No more so than the newest versions of OS X only allow software installed through iTunes, no.
 
2013-01-10 04:02:52 PM  

Tommy Moo: Lumbar Puncture: Tom_Slick: Cool, and why do they need a new console the 360 still works great, has an unbelievable library of games and the only advance I can think of is 3D not someting i desire in a video game.

Not subby, but the 360 is 8 years old. Developers can do a lot more now with game design but are restrained by nearly decade old limitations.

That and it has reached market saturation. Year over year sales of video games have dropped for the last couple of years as the market has become stagnant.

I'll be playing my backlog for years, but unless you want to see further contraction with game developers, then there needs to be fresh blood in the market.

I just don't understand why developers need any more hardware power. Is anyone complaining that some and such video game sucked because it wasn't pushing enough polygons? We are well into the area of diminishing returns on processing power impacting game enjoyment.


I feel like you both have good points. I don't know too many people complaining that current games don't look good enough, but on the other hand, overall performance could probably be greatly helped out by much faster optical drives, newer wireless adapters, and SSD data drives. Games don't really need to look any better, but I doubt anyone would mind if levels and textures loaded faster and games launched quicker.
 
2013-01-10 04:13:28 PM  

LasersHurt: jtown: Tyrone Slothrop: Valve's on it, subby:
[www.extremetech.com image 640x353]
/hot

That's called a computer. It's not a console by any stretch of the imagination. Unless you stretch your imagination enough that consoles and computers are the same thing.

... Are you not aware of Modern Consoles?


They're totally different!! Why, computers have RAM, separate CPU and GPU components, hard drives, network adapters, cooling fans, and USB ports. Consoles are different, they have.... oh.... well... point taken.
 
2013-01-10 05:04:05 PM  

Vaneshi: Nemo's Brother:
If more PC gamers actually purchased their games instead of pirating them, there would be more incentive for game makers to cater to your crowd. As it is, eat the bowl of dicks you made.

And the guy down the market selling chip'd 360's says you console scum can't be trusted any more than the 'glorious PC gaming master race' can.

Besides which, why the hell would a PC gamer pirate anything? Just wait for the damn steam sale.


Why game piracy is almost dead for many developers.
 
2013-01-10 05:17:10 PM  

washington-babylon: Vaneshi: Nemo's Brother:
If more PC gamers actually purchased their games instead of pirating them, there would be more incentive for game makers to cater to your crowd. As it is, eat the bowl of dicks you made.

And the guy down the market selling chip'd 360's says you console scum can't be trusted any more than the 'glorious PC gaming master race' can.

Besides which, why the hell would a PC gamer pirate anything? Just wait for the damn steam sale.

Why game piracy is almost dead for many developers.


Seriously, Steam reformed me as a PC game pirate long ago. Sure I'd buy games once in a while even before but steam is frankly just a great service and inevitably offers any games I want at the price I am willing to pay for them.

/gaining a decent income helped a bit too I suppose
 
2013-01-10 05:19:50 PM  

washington-babylon: Vaneshi: Nemo's Brother:
If more PC gamers actually purchased their games instead of pirating them, there would be more incentive for game makers to cater to your crowd. As it is, eat the bowl of dicks you made.

And the guy down the market selling chip'd 360's says you console scum can't be trusted any more than the 'glorious PC gaming master race' can.

Besides which, why the hell would a PC gamer pirate anything? Just wait for the damn steam sale.

Why game piracy is almost dead for many developers.


It's almost funny how that works. It's like obtaining the game and feeling like you got a good deal on it is actually more enjoyable than obtaining the game for no cost. Not because one necessarily grapples with the ethics of piracy but because, "LOOK HOW MUCH MONEY I SAVED!" Consumer psychology is weird.

Say what you will about Valve, but from a business perspective, they're freaking geniuses.

/Which is amazing for a company
//with no concept of scheduling
 
2013-01-10 05:31:44 PM  

ProfessorOhki: washington-babylon: Vaneshi: Nemo's Brother:
If more PC gamers actually purchased their games instead of pirating them, there would be more incentive for game makers to cater to your crowd. As it is, eat the bowl of dicks you made.

And the guy down the market selling chip'd 360's says you console scum can't be trusted any more than the 'glorious PC gaming master race' can.

Besides which, why the hell would a PC gamer pirate anything? Just wait for the damn steam sale.

Why game piracy is almost dead for many developers.

It's almost funny how that works. It's like obtaining the game and feeling like you got a good deal on it is actually more enjoyable than obtaining the game for no cost. Not because one necessarily grapples with the ethics of piracy but because, "LOOK HOW MUCH MONEY I SAVED!" Consumer psychology is weird.

Say what you will about Valve, but from a business perspective, they're freaking geniuses.

/Which is amazing for a company
//with no concept of scheduling


i love steam and I am glad that they turn a profit but let's not pretend that there are not more pirated copies of oh say L4D2 out there being played right now than at any one time the official paid copy is being played on steam.

for instance - Torchlight 2. over 1 million copies sold.

Pirated over 5 MILLION TIMES.
 
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