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2013-01-10 01:06:38 AM
The video is dated Mar 21, 2010.
 
2013-01-10 01:15:48 AM
Waitwaitwait... a guy writing for Pravda just referred to the US as "socialist"?

/Pravda? Soviet frikkin Union Pravda?
//the f*ck?
///I must be getting old
 
2013-01-10 01:20:13 AM

Bathia_Mapes: The video is dated Mar 21, 2010.


Uh-oh. Someone get an expert in ancient hieroglyphics in here to decipher this thing.
 
2013-01-10 04:14:25 AM
Guns or not, if we ever need to fight something other than burglars, rival <ilicit_occupation_here>'ers, we're boned anyway.

Governments have armies, bigger rocks to throw, and rocks with brains. Dystopian mega-conglomerates own everything in most sci-fi novels, including even smarter rocks, and Neo is immune to weapons from all of the above.
 
2013-01-10 08:05:59 AM
My (fellow American) friend worked in London for a while.  A common Brit question was, "What's with you Yanks and your guns?"

His answer often contained this:  "You want to know what's with us and our guns?  Well, c'mon over and try to take them away from us.  You'll find out."  (said with a smile)

He didn't exactly answer their question, or maybe he did.
 
2013-01-10 08:25:37 AM

TheHighlandHowler: My (fellow American) friend worked in London for a while.  A common Brit question was, "What's with you Yanks and your guns?"

His answer often contained this:  "You want to know what's with us and our guns?  Well, c'mon over and try to take them away from us.  You'll find out."  (said with a smile)

He didn't exactly answer their question, or maybe he did.


Way to feed those stereotypes.
 
2013-01-10 08:44:11 AM

Cythraul: Way to feed those stereotypes.


He did but he didn't.  He only acknowledged that guns have been woven into American traditions forever.  Any attempt to unweave them = Anti-American or Un-American.
 
2013-01-10 09:30:23 AM
Strawman, almost no one wants to disarm the populace.

Field test, license, registration and insurance sound good to me. I fixed the problem. As you were.
 
2013-01-10 09:36:14 AM
Oh good. Another moronic comparison to a country that isn't us, and a time that isn't now. That'll work.
 
2013-01-10 09:37:27 AM
old"news"issoexciting.jpg
 
2013-01-10 09:40:41 AM
These days, there are few things to admire about the socialist, bankrupt and culturally degenerating USA,

Stopped reading here. If you don't know what a word means, then don't use it.
 
2013-01-10 09:41:22 AM
First off, I've had bowel movements that looked better than the Pravda site. Secondly, who is this article aimed at? Red neck gun toting mouth breathers wont read it, gun critics will just laugh, and the NRA loving pro gun side will see the name Russia and yell "COMMUNIST!".
 
2013-01-10 09:42:43 AM

TheHighlandHowler: "You want to know what's with us and our guns?  Well, c'mon over and try to take them away from us.  You'll find out."  (said with a smile)


That is pretty farkin sad.
 
2013-01-10 09:49:53 AM

mediaho: Strawman, almost no one wants to disarm the populace.

Field test, license, registration and insurance sound good to me. I fixed the problem. As you were.


But there are those in the position to do it who want to.

http://youtu.be/F5H8vqZxVHs
 
2013-01-10 09:52:03 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: /Pravda? Soviet frikkin Union Pravda?
//the f*ck?
///I must be getting old


Well, you might be -- from the Pravda links that get submitted to Fark, the only impression of Pravda that I have is that it's a crappy tabloid.

Now, if the Chinese People's Daily start calling the US "socialist", that would be lulzy.
 
2013-01-10 09:52:56 AM
Not sure if serious, but is Pravda trolling and intentionally trying to incite unrest?
 
2013-01-10 09:55:59 AM
Isn't this a repeat thread from last month?
 
2013-01-10 09:59:46 AM
I don't understand the gun nuts threat "See what happens when you try and take our guns". What will happen is you'll turn over your guns or the military will come take it from you. Even if you band together with 100 other crazies you aren't going to be able to stop a drone strike after you're named a domestic terrorist cell.
 
2013-01-10 10:01:28 AM

TheHighlandHowler: My (fellow American) friend worked in London for a while.  A common Brit question was, "What's with you Yanks and your guns?"

His answer often contained this:  "You want to know what's with us and our guns?  Well, c'mon over and try to take them away from us.  You'll find out."  (said with a smile)

He didn't exactly answer their question, or maybe he did.


No, he didn't answer it at all.

"What's with you and that girl?"

"Try to bang her. You'll find out."

WTF does that even mean?

And your friend just reinforces the stereotype of the American paranoid sociopath gun fetishist. Well done.
 
2013-01-10 10:01:38 AM
In other news, no one is asking you to "give up your gun".
 
2013-01-10 10:04:47 AM

TheHighlandHowler: Cythraul: Way to feed those stereotypes.

He did but he didn't.  He only acknowledged that guns have been woven into American traditions forever.  Any attempt to unweave them = Anti-American or Un-American.


No, the Brits just want to know about our gun culture, and he just refuses to say and comes off as exactly the kind of guy who shouldn't have a gun - an implied thread "said with a smile."

But let's give your friend the benefit of the doubt - more likely, he's just a douchebag who was never asked about Americans and their guns and wanted to seem like Oscar Wilde, but with guns instead of other guys' cocks.
 
2013-01-10 10:06:15 AM
Just as stupid as when it was greenlit a week ago.
 
2013-01-10 10:07:54 AM

Carth: I don't understand the gun nuts threat "See what happens when you try and take our guns". What will happen is you'll turn over your guns or the military will come take it from you. Even if you band together with 100 other crazies you aren't going to be able to stop a drone strike after you're named a domestic terrorist cell.


Maybe he's referring to soaking himself in piss as armed agents break down his door.

"Oh, so your guns are about you living in fear and paranoia. Now it makes sense."
 
2013-01-10 10:13:34 AM

GoodyearPimp: In other news, no one is asking you to "give up your gun".


Which is good, because no ones giving them up.
We're only debating if there should be a billion dollar black market for plastic parts.
 
2013-01-10 10:15:35 AM
The more i hear the wing\gun nuts talk the more i want someone to take away their guns. And im all in favor of the 2nd amendment. Thier complete inability to even talk about the issue without getting worked up into a revolutionary fervor is disconcerting. Especially along side all their desires to eliminate anything and everything they deem "Liberal" ( which really only means anyone that doesnt think exactly like they do ). I think we could be headed towards another civil war.
 
2013-01-10 10:18:06 AM

LikeALeafOnTheWind: I think we could be headed towards another civil war.


I hope not, I hope all this nonsense dies in the congress. War isn't something anyone with half a brain wants.
 
2013-01-10 10:23:52 AM
"What is with Americans and your guns?"

"I want to shoot you"
 
2013-01-10 10:26:27 AM
Well, it's a good thing the Russians are no longer official commies, or the NRA would have a collective mental breakdown trying to decide which way to jump.
 
2013-01-10 10:28:19 AM

LikeALeafOnTheWind: The more i hear the wing\gun nuts talk the more i want someone to take away their guns. And im all in favor of the 2nd amendment. Thier complete inability to even talk about the issue without getting worked up into a revolutionary fervor is disconcerting. Especially along side all their desires to eliminate anything and everything they deem "Liberal" ( which really only means anyone that doesnt think exactly like they do ). I think we could be headed towards another civil war.


I agree completely. As a gun owner, I find them an utter embarrassment.
 
2013-01-10 10:28:29 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Waitwaitwait... a guy writing for Pravda just referred to the US as "socialist"?

/Pravda? Soviet frikkin Union Pravda?
//the f*ck?
///I must be getting old


Yeah, tell me about it. I think my irony meter just asploded.
 
2013-01-10 10:30:31 AM

Citrate1007: These days, there are few things to admire about the socialist, bankrupt and culturally degenerating USA,

Stopped reading here. If you don't know what a word means, then don't use it.


How do you say "teabagger" in Russian? I can't gavaru the paruski anymore. :/
 
2013-01-10 10:30:39 AM

rufus-t-firefly: TheHighlandHowler: My (fellow American) friend worked in London for a while.  A common Brit question was, "What's with you Yanks and your guns?"

His answer often contained this:  "You want to know what's with us and our guns?  Well, c'mon over and try to take them away from us.  You'll find out."  (said with a smile)

He didn't exactly answer their question, or maybe he did.

No, he didn't answer it at all.

"What's with you and that girl?"

"Try to bang her. You'll find out."

WTF does that even mean?

And your friend just reinforces the stereotype of the American paranoid sociopath gun fetishist. Well done.


If there wasn't at least a kernel of truth to it, it would never have become a stereotype.
 
2013-01-10 10:44:21 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Waitwaitwait... a guy writing for Pravda just referred to the US as "socialist"?

/Pravda? Soviet frikkin Union Pravda?
//the f*ck?
///I must be getting old


Yes. Here, have some coffee. Things have changed. Famous people are now defecting to Russia.
 
2013-01-10 10:45:33 AM
This will probably come as a total shock to most of my Western readers, but at one point, Russia was one of the most heavily armed societies on earth. This was, of course, when we were free under the Tsar.

This well armed population was what allowed the various White factions to rise up, no matter how disorganized politically and militarily they were in 1918 and wage a savage civil war against the Reds. It should be noted that many of these armies were armed peasants, villagers, farmers and merchants, protecting their own. If it had not been for Washington's clandestine support of and for the Reds, history would have gone quite differently.


www.culture-games.com
 
2013-01-10 10:47:02 AM
Or else what?
We'll become like Russians?
 
2013-01-10 10:47:16 AM

TheHighlandHowler: My (fellow American) friend worked in London for a while.  A common Brit question was, "What's with you Yanks and your guns?"

His answer often contained this:  "You want to know what's with us and our guns?  Well, c'mon over and try to take them away from us.  You'll find out."  (said with a smile)

He didn't exactly answer their question, or maybe he did.


...and the Brits walked away, shaking their heads in disbelieve.
 
2013-01-10 10:56:33 AM
How very "Monsters on Maple Street" of them.
 
2013-01-10 10:59:58 AM
Yes, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, what you're seeing is a Soviet propaganda rag offering political and social advice to the people of the United States.

No, it should not be taken seriously.

Yes, you should pause if you find yourself on the same side as Pravda and perhaps reconsider your position.
 
2013-01-10 11:08:48 AM

Infernalist: Yes, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, what you're seeing is a Soviet propaganda rag offering political and social advice to the people of the United States.

No, it should not be taken seriously.

Yes, you should pause if you find yourself on the same side as Pravda and perhaps reconsider your position.


The Soviet propaganda is no longer coming from Pravda. It is coming from American universities.
 
2013-01-10 11:17:25 AM

Infernalist: Yes, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, what you're seeing is a Soviet propaganda rag offering political and social advice to the people of the United States.

No, it should not be taken seriously.

Yes, you should pause if you find yourself on the same side as Pravda and perhaps reconsider your position.


Soviet? It has only been 2 decades I guess...
 
2013-01-10 11:26:23 AM

sugar_fetus: mediaho: Strawman, almost no one wants to disarm the populace.

Field test, license, registration and insurance sound good to me. I fixed the problem. As you were.

But there are those in the position to do it who want to.

http://youtu.be/F5H8vqZxVHs


Yea, but Feinstein is kind of our Bachmann, No one really pays attention to her except when people on the other side need something to rage against.
 
2013-01-10 11:29:05 AM
I guess the Right-Wing Politics wheel landed on "Give a shiat About What a Foreign Power Thinks" this week.
 
2013-01-10 11:53:06 AM

Carth: I don't understand the gun nuts threat "See what happens when you try and take our guns". What will happen is you'll turn over your guns or the military will come take it from you. Even if you band together with 100 other crazies you aren't going to be able to stop a drone strike after you're named a domestic terrorist cell.



Just a few things here. I worked for NSA as an intelligence analyst and estimates and simulations of insurgent elements are part of any good workup.
1. If 100 people, all armed, band together in a local area of a nation as large as the US, you have a serious problem. The reason being is that you don't have rebellious elements exist in a vacuum like you appear to assume they do. If you have 100 here, then you're very likely to have 100 in another area, and 100 in another and 100 in another.
2. You really need to understand some hard cold facts about the US military. The US military is one of the most fragile military's in existence. It is utterly dependent on having the US as a whole supply it. It takes up a huge percent of our GDP to maintain its ridiculous and voracious thirst for fuel, food, and supplies. If the US military had to start turning its weapons on the civilian population it would be literally cutting its own throat. Its funding and supplies would dry up and wither, and as a result its efficacy as a force would degrade rapidly in a matter of months.
3, You need to learn about asymetrical warfare, because based on your statement you think that a rebelious element would be so stupid as to try and conduct conventional war with the US military. Or that they'd just group up so that the military could fly a drone around and pick them off. Please, tell me, do these hypothetical "crazies" you speak of wear "I'm a rebel so please shoot me" t shirts? Oh they dont? Then perhaps you can tell me how these people are going to be differentiated from everyone else.
4. You seriously underestimate the effectiveness that conventional arms can have against a military force when used in Guerrilla warfare. Sure, they may not be able to kill a tank. But they can wait till the tankers have to get out to take a piss, or to eat, or if the people transporting them have to stop for gas and get out of the truck to refill their tanks. And then snipers shoot them and lo and behold, the insurgents now have a tank.

Warfare is not simple, it's not cut and dry, and an armed populace, even people that are armed with rifles and hand guns, are infinitely more difficult to control and keep down than an unarmed populace is.

A soldier can open fire with an automatic weapon and kill 10 or 20 people, but if 5 or 10 people are firing back with rifles, he's still going to end up dead. And then the insurgents acquire a fully automatic weapon to use next time in addition to the rifles. This is why the 2nd amendment was created.

Don't believe me, read the Federalist papers on the subject.
A. Hamilton stated it very clearly.
If circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude[,] that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens.

If you read the literature of the time, you know that Europe was rife with tyrants using permanent armies to oppress their citizens. In the US the British used a standing army to try and oppress the colonies. The lessons are 200 years old, but they're still valid today. Look at China. They use their standing army to enforce their will on their people. Saying "it can't happen here" has been and always will be the litany of idiots. It CAN happen here, and likely at some point WILL happen here. The real question is, are we going to disarm our children's children's children so that we can have a little security now and sacrifice their liberty as a cost for that. Sorry, no. Short sighted stupidity and fear needs to be revealed for what it is. We need to keep our right to bear arms so that future generations do not end up slaves to someone's ambition.
 
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