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2013-01-10 05:44:23 AM
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BronyMedic: log_jammin: of course that has happened before.

so are you saying that because there are crooked cops who lie, then heroin dealers don't lie? or are you claiming this guy had nothing to do with heroin? or there is no such things as heroin dealers, just dead people that crooked cops dropped drugs or weapons next to?

when you come back with an answer try to make it an intellectually honest one.

It's FARK, man. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty, and people like  vincentfox will DAMN well make sure you know it! Everyone is entitled to civil liberties and their constitutional rights! Unless you're a cop. Then you were OBVIOUSLY guilty before you even clocked in, masturbated the night before to Treyvon Martin's crimescene photos, and at some point last year, beat an elderly man to death with a can of creamed peas. Because of the actions of a person that this group of individuals had nothing to do with.

Oh, and I'm pretty sure they killed Kennedy, and were part of the nefarious scheme to keep you from getting sweets as a child unless you ate the Brussels sprouts.


Well, let's just look at the facts of this particular case. We know the officers messed up when they entered the house. We know they didn't clear the whole house like they should have immediately upon entry. We know that an untrained (or at least under trained) DoC officer was doing something he shouldn't have been doing.
So there we go, that's enough to at least bring a lawsuit. The finer details will decide on whether or not the guy wins.

You really don't have to suck the dick of every single law enforcement officer you ever come across. They are people just like everyone else, and just like everyone else sometimes some of them make mistakes. The ones that do should be held accountable just like everyone else is. The problem I have with law enforcement in this country isn't "omg they all suck die pigs". It's that the only time one of them is really disciplined is if they are caught on camera shooting a subdued suspect in the back. Anything less than that and they get off with a suspension, and that's usually paid.
2013-01-10 04:50:31 AM
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vincentfox: Cops never dropped drugs or weapons at a scene right?


of course that has happened before.

so are you saying that because there are crooked cops who lie, then heroin dealers don't lie? or are you claiming this guy had nothing to do with heroin? or there is no such things as heroin dealers, just dead people that crooked cops dropped drugs or weapons next to?

when you come back with an answer try to make it an intellectually honest one.
2013-01-10 02:57:49 AM
2 votes:
I think after you shoot a guy about 5 or 6 times, you might just be able to subdue him for further questioning.
2013-01-10 02:55:06 AM
2 votes:
Any gun control supporters want to limit the police to 10 round magazines so that they have to pause and reload, giving them time to reconsider what they're doing?
2013-01-10 08:34:07 AM
1 votes:
I don't hate the police, they perform a necessary social function. But shooting an armed man in his own bed is clearly wrong.

Whatever series of events that led up to it, mistakes were made. Likewise anyone attempting to justify this action is making a logical error somewhere. Its a bit like doing some math and coming up with 2+2=5. Wrong. Don't compound the error by justifying it, fix the method.

Personally I find this sort of thing far more disturbing than much hyped terrorism and random massacres by lunatics. Not only do the police do this sort of thing frequently, next to no one cares and they are never held accountable. It is the underlying justification for this that is most disturbing, though. That is, anyone who finds themselves opposed to the police ceases to be considered a human being.
2013-01-10 05:33:28 AM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: Sgeo:

I can imagine it being intruders pretending to be cops, and can imagine thinking that that was the case.

And I can imagine you getting shot 16 times as you roll off the bed yelling about your gun, like the guy in the article supposedly did.


Like you said, "supposedly." Are there any witnesses to this event besides the victim and the cops? A few years ago there was a (white) cop in Louisville named McKenzie Mattingly who shot a (black) guy in the back as he was running away because he was "afraid for his life," or so he said -- and as the jury that acquitted him believed (or pretended to). Mattingly was later hired by another police department, while Michael Newby's mother had to settle for $250,000 from the city. Then there's Amadou Diallo, the "41 shots" victim. Etc., etc., etc. So naturally I'm a bit skeptical of police claims to be so afraid they have no choice but to blast away: time and again the best they can do is go "OOPS, my bad!" -- if they have that much heart.

What I imagine myself doing if cops barge in to wake me up is raising both empty hands in the air as I cuss them out with all my might. (That's what I usually do when they hassle me on the street anyway; why ruin balls of steel with a corrosive element like common sense?) Of course they'll probably still shoot me "in fear for their lives," especially when we're not on a busy street in broad daylight, but if they want any guns or even drugs found here they'll have to bring them themselves: nobody with my kind of "mouth" can afford to be anything but felony-free.

Wouldn't it be funny if I wound up as a greenlit article? "Cops finally shut this Farker up! Let's buy them each a Ford Escalade!"
2013-01-10 05:03:08 AM
1 votes:
pedrop357:

Any gun control supporters want to limit the police to 10 round magazines so that they have to pause and reload, giving them time to reconsider what they're doing?

I'm hardly a gun control supporter, but that sounds like a good idea. I hear more often about police turning somebody into swiss cheese than I do about psychos shooting up schools, and what's more the cops usually get away with it. A paid vacation doesn't sound like "punishment" to me, and having to talk to a shrink usually hurts less than 10 years in the pokey.
2013-01-10 04:46:33 AM
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vincentfox: I think of Kathryn Johnston of Atlanta, cops lied their asses off there.

Guilty and deserved death penalty because heroin found nearby. Cops never dropped drugs or weapons at a scene right?


So all cops are liars and plant weapons everywhere, and Barack Obama was born in Kenya and it makes Sarah Palin president, right?
2013-01-10 04:45:27 AM
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log_jammin: Allen262: It says arrest warrant and the guy was arrested. End of story.

that's what the article says. not the warrant. you have no idea what the warrant said.

vincentfox: The cops SAID they were threatened. Cops never lie right?

sure. do heroin dealers lie?


I think of Kathryn Johnston of Atlanta, cops lied their asses off there.

Guilty and deserved death penalty because heroin found nearby. Cops never dropped drugs or weapons at a scene right?
2013-01-10 04:32:37 AM
1 votes:

Allen262: It says arrest warrant and the guy was arrested. End of story. They need go GTFO. It dose not say arrest warrant and do what the fark cops want to who they want.


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Serving an arrest warrant does not work like you think it does.

If the cops have to go into a house after someone, everyone in that house is getting a pair of shiny bracelets until they're done with what they came there to do. It's as much for their protection (to ensure someone's not going to come out of a room shooting) as it is for theirs (so an innocent person doesn't get caught in a firefight, or mistaken for someone going for a gun.)

The cops do not just walk in, put cuffs on the one person, and turn their back on everyone else.
2013-01-10 04:08:27 AM
1 votes:

log_jammin: Allen262: It says arrest warrant and the guy was arrested. End of story.

that's what the article says. not the warrant. you have no idea what the warrant said.


Neither do you but basing my point on the article saying "arrest warrant" The cops got the guy and should have left. When/if the info comes out saying it was more than a "arrest warrant" than my point has no base to stand on.
2013-01-10 03:55:06 AM
1 votes:
It says arrest warrant and the guy was arrested. End of story. They need go GTFO. It dose not say arrest warrant and do what the fark cops want to who they want.
2013-01-10 03:54:12 AM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: Perhaps making a sudden, rash move and telling the cops you have a gun in a pitch dark room is not the smartest move one can make.

Play him off, Darwin Keyboard Cat!


The cops SAID they were threatened. Cops never lie right?
2013-01-10 03:48:40 AM
1 votes:

Allen262: Once they arrested the ex-offender the warrant should be no good to search the house as the cops already had the person that the warrant was issiued for. I don't have a Fark GED law degree or any other but that is my thinking. Hents the lawsuit is being filed.


If the cops have to go into a house to serve a warrant on a felon, everyone in the house gets secured and checked out until the cops are sure no one's going to shoot them in the back as they're leaving, and that they're not missing someone. You would have a point if they raided the next apartment, or if they went in and tossed his room searching for evidence without a warrant specifying it in it's scope, but they were well within their rights to ensure everyone was secured until they had ceased their operation.

 Felony arrest warrants are high-risk deals - it's one of the duties that gets a lot of cops killed in the line of duty, and it's the reason they're typically done by the tactical teams in many jurisdictions.

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2013-01-10 03:41:43 AM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: Perhaps making a sudden, rash move and telling the cops you have a gun in a pitch dark room is not the smartest move one can make


I agree, but try telling that to cop haters. They don't care about facts that are inconvenient to their view that all cops are bad people. Like any other fool, they won't listen, they'll just keep repeating their folly.
2013-01-10 03:40:00 AM
1 votes:
New policy: turn on the bloody light first.

/rocket science
2013-01-10 03:17:58 AM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: Perhaps making a sudden, rash move and telling the cops you have a gun in a pitch dark room is not the smartest move one can make.

Play him off, Darwin Keyboard Cat!


You expect everyones first reaction upon a forced waking to be complete submissiveness?
2013-01-10 03:10:49 AM
1 votes:
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2013-01-10 03:02:08 AM
1 votes:
Someone hasn't been to the range lately. Center mass or head people.
2013-01-10 02:34:13 AM
1 votes:
Perhaps making a sudden, rash move and telling the cops you have a gun in a pitch dark room is not the smartest move one can make.

Play him off, Darwin Keyboard Cat!
2013-01-10 01:40:48 AM
1 votes:
This is why you invest heavily in crooked lawyers.

That blinged out golden gat can hold a maximum of 33 shells and fires in only one direction at a time. All the police have to do is flank you and pull the trigger and you're dead if you're lucky.

But for the price of a golden gun, you can establish a good working relationship with a Saul. Better call Saul. He'll get you off the hook and off the books.
 
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