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(Seattle Times)   County sheriff changes policy on shooting after man shot 16 times survives. Policy now 17   (seattletimes.com) divider line 73
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2013-01-10 07:48:26 AM

Hoblit: ""Specialist Rongen and Detective Thompson said that they identified themselves, gave Mr. Theoharis commands that he did not comply with, that he said he had guns, and that it appeared that he was reaching for one," according to a report by the sheriff's shooting review board.

In a written statement, Thompson said he believed Theoharis was reaching for a gun between the box spring and the mattress.

Rongen and Thompson both fired their handguns, hitting Theoharis as he rolled off the bed.

No firearms were found in the room. " - TFA

No firearms were found in the room. He still got shot (about) 16 times? An average of 8 shots per officer into a guy who didn't have a weapon?

"Both agencies, in separate reviews, found the shooting last year to be justified" - Second Sentence / Paragraph of TFA

Of course. It too 16 shots fired to stop an unarmed man laying in a bed, threat.


this kind of shiat happens all the farking time, and yet no one gives a shiat. Look at NY where cops injured 9 bystanders with gunfire and never hit their intended target. They were more dangerous than the guy who they were after, and he went in to shoot the place up! But nooo, it's never on the news. Gotta keep it hush hush.
 
2013-01-10 08:34:07 AM
I don't hate the police, they perform a necessary social function. But shooting an armed man in his own bed is clearly wrong.

Whatever series of events that led up to it, mistakes were made. Likewise anyone attempting to justify this action is making a logical error somewhere. Its a bit like doing some math and coming up with 2+2=5. Wrong. Don't compound the error by justifying it, fix the method.

Personally I find this sort of thing far more disturbing than much hyped terrorism and random massacres by lunatics. Not only do the police do this sort of thing frequently, next to no one cares and they are never held accountable. It is the underlying justification for this that is most disturbing, though. That is, anyone who finds themselves opposed to the police ceases to be considered a human being.
 
2013-01-10 08:54:45 AM

Allen262: BronyMedic: StoPPeRmobile: You expect everyones first reaction upon a forced waking to be complete submissiveness?

If someone holding a pistol is yelling "SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, WARRANT" multiple times at the top of their voice as they're moving through my house, yeah.

The time to argue the point about your constitutional rights  with your hands is not when they have a gun in your face, and itchy trigger fingers while serving a felony warrant.

FTA:DOC Specialist Kris Rongen, assisted by sheriff's Detective Aaron Thompson, went to the house to serve a felony arrest warrant on an ex-offender - someone other than Theoharis - who had failed to report to community supervision. Two other sheriff's detectives joined them.

After taking the ex-offender, Nicholas Harrison, into custody, Thompson and Rongen learned that Theoharis was in a different part of the house,

FTA:Heipt said Theoharis was shot about 16 times and plans to file a civil suit in which a key issue will be whether the officers had justification to enter the room in which he was shot, Heipt said.

Once they arrested the ex-offender the warrant should be no good to search the house as the cops already had the person that the warrant was issiued for. I don't have a Fark GED law degree or any other but that is my thinking. Hents the lawsuit is being filed.


It might be that the shot ex-offender was on probation or parole and the DOC specialist could legally check on him in this situation (or at anytime and any cop).

Shot guy should win big, cops need to be afraid to lose their jobs if they shoot the wrong person and money is the only way to get that message to 'trickle down' to them.
 
2013-01-10 08:59:34 AM

BronyMedic: log_jammin: I'm not understanding why the DOC was helping with warrant arrests.

FTFA: The DOC was the one that issued the warrant for a parole violation, apparently, and they are partnered with the Sheriff to allow their tactical entry-trained deputies to assist them in serving the warrants. Still begs the question of why the two took their own initiative, in violation of the department's policy, rather than make an orderly entry.

Corrections officers don't get tactical training like street cops do, the most they get are to be a part of riot or cell entry teams. Why this guy was operating independently with that tactical officer is a conundrum.


TFA referred to DOC person as a 'specialist', I read that as probation/parole officer.
 
2013-01-10 09:25:09 AM

Mattyb710: You really don't have to suck the dick of every single law enforcement officer you ever come across.


Please point out where I've defended their actions in this article. The fact is that they allowed an untrained person to take point, broke protocol to enter a room where there was possibly an armed person in the dwelling, and did so not only without telling anyone, but the next thing anyone knew that shots were being sounded out.

No. The only comment I made was "Well, if you tell people you have a gun and make like your going for it, expect to be shot."  Please feel free to find the largest branch you can, and shove it right up your ass. Have a nice day. :)

stlbluez: I wish he'd had a gun and emptied it into both of them.


We get it. You masturbate over killing cops. You brave internet toughguy, you. Why let others do your dirty work? You should be a fark anhero. Go get your pistol and march right up to the nearest police station. Be a model for the internet, bro.
 
2013-01-10 09:26:36 AM

Kit Fister: Look at NY where cops injured 9 bystanders with gunfire and never hit their intended target.


No one gave a shiat, really? It made the NYPD the laughing stock of the world.
 
2013-01-10 09:27:50 AM
In a written statement, Thompson said he believed Theoharis was reaching for a gun between the box spring and the mattress.

Rongen and Thompson both fired their handguns, hitting Theoharis as he rolled off the bed.

No firearms were found in the room.


And yet the civil (not criminal) suit lies in whether they warrant covered that room......not that these trigger happy rent a cops shot a 1/2 a sleep (or doped up) heroin junkie that was completely unarmed.
 
2013-01-10 09:40:08 AM

BronyMedic: Kit Fister: Look at NY where cops injured 9 bystanders with gunfire and never hit their intended target.

No one gave a shiat, really? It made the NYPD the laughing stock of the world.


Lasted for two days, then went quiet. An international guffaw, and then nothing. No calls to change training, no calls to change protocol, just minor guffaws.
 
2013-01-10 09:41:12 AM

Citrate1007: And yet the civil (not criminal) suit lies in whether they warrant covered that room......not that these trigger happy rent a cops shot a 1/2 a sleep (or doped up) heroin junkie that was completely unarmed.


County Sheriffs are now counted as rent-a-cops?
 
2013-01-10 09:43:17 AM
Theo and Haris are two people, each shot 8 times, while they were havin' down low sex in the back room while the Popo was busting that other brother.

/ my stories better
 
2013-01-10 09:45:23 AM

darth_badger: Theo and Haris are two people, each shot 8 times, while they were havin' down low sex in the back room while the Popo was busting that other brother.

/ my stories better

Can anyone help a brother out and lay down the low on the true meaning of Kwanzaa?

Pump yo' bricks Charlie Brown, I'll lay down the quickness.  Cut da music.


            And there were three kings: Martin Luther, Don and Rodney.  Martin Luther was the smartest of the three; he preached equality, peace and self-respect. He was the good king.  Don was a deebo who sprung on the wrong cat and got rickets from a stank-poon on  125th street.  He was a pumpa-bumpa, who turned a trick on a skeeza named Geranaho, and suffered in drinkin a case Nat'ral Ice, while blasting diarrhea all over his crib.  He was a bad king.  Rodney was a pull-dagga, coochy rippa, who was geekin' on bakin' soda, while flab-stabbin' some ho in da back of a Hoopty.  He did da jelly donut to da moggle-trick, while Amigo Diablo, changed his name to Im-a-do-what-da-cops-tell-me-to-do.  He was the worst king of all.


            And dat's what Kwanza is all about Charlie Brown.
 
2013-01-10 10:05:07 AM

BronyMedic: darth_badger: Theo and Haris are two people, each shot 8 times, while they were havin' down low sex in the back room while the Popo was busting that other brother.

/ my stories better
Can anyone help a brother out and lay down the low on the true meaning of Kwanzaa?

Pump yo' bricks Charlie Brown, I'll lay down the quickness.  Cut da music.

            And there were three kings: Martin Luther, Don and Rodney.  Martin Luther was the smartest of the three; he preached equality, peace and self-respect. He was the good king.  Don was a deebo who sprung on the wrong cat and got rickets from a stank-poon on  125th street.  He was a pumpa-bumpa, who turned a trick on a skeeza named Geranaho, and suffered in drinkin a case Nat'ral Ice, while blasting diarrhea all over his crib.  He was a bad king.  Rodney was a pull-dagga, coochy rippa, who was geekin' on bakin' soda, while flab-stabbin' some ho in da back of a Hoopty.  He did da jelly donut to da moggle-trick, while Amigo Diablo, changed his name to Im-a-do-what-da-cops-tell-me-to-do.  He was the worst king of all.


            And dat's what Kwanza is all about Charlie Brown.



I think I'm going to tattoo that on my first born, or at least cross stitch it and hang it in their nursery.
 
2013-01-10 10:06:28 AM

Valeriyance: I think I'm going to tattoo that on my first born, or at least cross stitch it and hang it in their nursery.


It's one of the greatest Gag Dubs of a Charlie Brown Cartoon of all time. Don't watch it around anyone who would be offended easily.
 
2013-01-10 11:09:09 AM

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: BronyMedic: Perhaps making a sudden, rash move and telling the cops you have a gun in a pitch dark room is not the smartest move one can make

I agree, but try telling that to cop haters. They don't care about facts that are inconvenient to their view that all cops are bad people. Like any other fool, they won't listen, they'll just keep repeating their folly.


Clearly that's exactly how it happened, it's not like the cops would have a reason to lie in that situation.
 
2013-01-10 11:16:27 AM

Incog_Neeto: Clearly that's exactly how it happened, it's not like the copsany citizen would have a reason to lie in that situation.


There. Fixed that for you. Since it's a cop, we can clearly assume guilty until proven innocent. All cops lie about everything, and every patrolman is given a disposable, wiped down Glock 21 (cheap plastic, after all) to plant on the bodies of young black men when they shoot them for the sexual thrill.

After all, if this was a homeowner who shot two intruders who were robbing his home, you'd be saying the same thing, right?

Right?
 
2013-01-10 11:42:29 AM
Why'd you shoot him 72 times?

It's all the bullets we had
 
2013-01-10 11:59:38 AM

BronyMedic:
 Felony arrest warrants are high-risk deals - it's one of the duties that gets a lot of cops killed in the line of duty, and it's the reason they're typically done by the tactical teams in many jurisdictions.

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About that.
This Marine had a family member recently murdered in a home invasion.
He just got off shift at the mine.

What do you think his response would have been to a Sheriff's deputy in uniform politely ringing the doorbell and requesting an interview to discuss the family member's death? Or if they'd asked to talk with him at work?

Instead, his wife woke him up to tell him about masked men in black sneaking up on the house. So he got his family into a closet, told them to call 911, and got out his AR.
Which was still on Safe when the cops shot him 22 times (out of at least 71 shots they fired) at extreme close range.
With AR15s.

They're done by SWAT because:
1) They get paid extra to act like thugs.
2) They like to play dress-up.
3) It's easier and more fun than doing real police work.
4) It's a real adrenaline rush to play action movie hero.

Know what the cops found?
Zilch. Zip. Nada. Nichts. Nothing. He had no connection to his family member's drug-dealing.

Was that display of good judgment and outstanding marksmanship worth his life?
 
2013-01-10 12:37:46 PM
BronyMedic:

Since it's a cop, we can clearly assume guilty until proven innocent. All cops lie about everything, and every patrolman is given a disposable, wiped down Glock 21 (cheap plastic, after all) to plant on the bodies of young black men when they shoot them for the sexual thrill.

After all, if this was a homeowner who shot two intruders who were robbing his home, you'd be saying the same thing, right? Right?


I'd think it was entirely justified: a couple years ago there were several shootings very close to where my niece and three other young women lived and a rash of burglaries and home invasions, so I told her and her roommates to get some guns and be prepared to use them. (Her response was "I'd rather not, and I could only shoot to wound anyway." She didn't get that wussy streak from MY side of the family.) Also the ex and co-dogparent bought a house you could break into with a single bootkick: I advised her to change the glassy doors for solid metal ones and to buy a pistol and learn how to use it. (She don't wanna do either.)

For that matter I think it's entirely justified to insert some lead into late-night home invaders who claim to be cops, even when it turns out they really are: I've heard of several "no-knock" entries where the SWAT team came in blasting away, only to discover that they had the wrong house and the old couple who lived there and were shot several times were neither armed nor dangerous (unless you count "giving them 'dirty looks,'" my mother's specialty). And IIRC there was a case where an old woman was brought up on charges for grabbing her gun and shooting at the intruders who also turned out to be police at the wrong house.

So yes, I support defending yourself against home invaders regardless of who they are: it's usually better to risk shooting a 'roid-raging cop or two in self-defense than to get shot 8 times with your pants off and your hands empty, unless you're terminal anyway and your insurance is paid up. Give 'em a world of shiat. You have a right -- indeed an obligation -- to protect yourself in your own home, and dying in self-defense is infinitely more honorable than just letting shiat happen. If enough home invading burglars get shot doing that they eventually cut it out; maybe the police should be taught the same lesson.

If people don't want to get shot in your home all they have to do is not break in. It's simple, really.
 
2013-01-10 12:52:55 PM

BronyMedic: Incog_Neeto: Clearly that's exactly how it happened, it's not like the copsany citizen would have a reason to lie in that situation.

There. Fixed that for you. Since it's a cop, we can clearly assume guilty until proven innocent. All cops lie about everything, and every patrolman is given a disposable, wiped down Glock 21 (cheap plastic, after all) to plant on the bodies of young black men when they shoot them for the sexual thrill.

After all, if this was a homeowner who shot two intruders who were robbing his home, you'd be saying the same thing, right?

Right?


You are correct, anyone who empty a clip into somebody while in the victims home would have lots of reasons to lie.

Then I'm sure you would agree that the citizen would be put on paid administrative leave and a group of his buddies would review the situation and clear of him all wrong doing.

God forbid the Cops be held to HIGHER standards than the general public, nope that bar needs to be set extra low for them.
 
2013-01-10 01:28:21 PM

BronyMedic:
 Felony arrest warrants are high-risk deals - it's one of the duties that gets a lot of cops killed in the line of duty, and it's the reason they're typically done by the tactical teams in many jurisdictions.



And there was a time when signing up to be a cop meant that you were taking on a decent level of personal risk, because in the aggregate, it would better the community. But now its "OMGBBQ not one more dead cop!" and so we have have beat cops using tools and methods that come right out of the military that are designed to protect cops, but it comes at the expense of public safety (like no-knock night raids with tactical gear, throwing flash-bangs and toting full-auto rifles).
 
2013-01-10 03:43:40 PM

LemSkroob: BronyMedic:
 Felony arrest warrants are high-risk deals - it's one of the duties that gets a lot of cops killed in the line of duty, and it's the reason they're typically done by the tactical teams in many jurisdictions.

And there was a time when signing up to be a cop meant that you were taking on a decent level of personal risk, because in the aggregate, it would better the community. But now its "OMGBBQ not one more dead cop!" and so we have have beat cops using tools and methods that come right out of the military that are designed to protect cops, but it comes at the expense of public safety (like no-knock night raids with tactical gear, throwing flash-bangs and toting full-auto rifles).


Fun fact: If you are in combat and you shoot an unarmed person in bed 16 times you're going to prison, for a very long time. No matter what the excuse.

It's sick that a cop can murder someone with the only evidence need to be a good shoot is that you says they "we're going for something".
 
2013-01-11 08:05:41 AM

BronyMedic: Mattyb710: You really don't have to suck the dick of every single law enforcement officer you ever come across.

Please point out where I've defended their actions in this article. The fact is that they allowed an untrained person to take point, broke protocol to enter a room where there was possibly an armed person in the dwelling, and did so not only without telling anyone, but the next thing anyone knew that shots were being sounded out.


Well to be fair, if you HAVE to suck a dick, might as well be a cop's dick. Since cops feel the need to carry guns, that obviously means they have small dicks and you won't have to worry about being choked.

/that's what the last few days on fark has taught me, anyway.
 
2013-01-11 08:12:38 AM

MythDragon: Well to be fair, if you HAVE to suck a dick, might as well be a cop's dick. Since cops feel the need to carry guns, that obviously means they have small dicks and you won't have to worry about being choked.


I don't know about women, but most gay and bisexual men are all about size, bro. Has to do with hitting the prostate with each stroke.

There's plenty of research on the internet for you to google, if you want scientific confirmation.

Plus, if you're gay with a cop (and a LOT of them are gay, make no mistake, just closeted. Also part of swinger and S&M clubs, weirdly enough...), you don't have to worry about being shot in a school shooting, according to the FARK right wing, because those guns will keep you safe.
 
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