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(CBS Chicago)   Indiana Bill would require teaching cursive writing. Finally, someone will be able to read the Constitution   (chicago.cbslocal.com) divider line 138
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2013-01-09 08:15:45 PM
There's a reason why he's not as well known as his cousin Jones.
 
2013-01-09 08:18:00 PM

Donnchadha: There's a reason why he's not as well known as his cousin Jones.


You mean his brother Buffalo?
 
2013-01-09 08:21:02 PM
They don't already?  Has that much changed, they don't teach cursive script in school these days?  This is news to me, and I was born in 1980.

/get.... off my lawn?
 
2013-01-09 08:23:31 PM
Indiana Bill doesn't know jackshiat about this topic.  Wake me when Michigan Steve or Wisconsin Tom weigh in on the issue.
 
2013-01-09 08:24:48 PM

Cyberluddite: Indiana Bill doesn't know jackshiat about this topic.  Wake me when Michigan Steve or Wisconsin Tom weigh in on the issue.


He didn't want to upset The Cincinnati Kid with too much homework
 
2013-01-09 08:26:56 PM
Do schools still teach typing,  or are kids assumed to pick that up on their own?
 
2013-01-09 08:38:29 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Do schools still teach typing,  or are kids assumed to pick that up on their own?


Typing will be just as obsolete as cursive in a few short years...
 
2013-01-09 08:46:02 PM
CSB:

Indiana (Gary, no less) is where I learned cursive, in the late 60s.

I was still getting up to speed with it a year later, when I was in a Social Studies class led by a teacher whose overhead-projector notes were (1) text-blocks of dense serial-killer-style margin-to-margin scrawls, (2) ANY random sentence could be vital info on the next test, and (3) you'd only have about 30 seconds to decipher & write down the whole thing before he'd change to the next one.

Indiana taught me cursive... and then drove me right back to (faster) printing.

Which is what my handwriting still is (in a fairly evolved style), to this day.
 
2013-01-09 09:04:59 PM

NowhereMon: BarkingUnicorn: Do schools still teach typing,  or are kids assumed to pick that up on their own?

Typing will be just as obsolete as cursive in a few short years...


Thank goodness for that!  Blogs suck.
 
2013-01-09 09:14:33 PM
I learned cursive in grade school and haven't used it for anything except a signature in years. What's the point?
 
2013-01-09 09:16:50 PM

nekom: They don't already?  Has that much changed, they don't teach cursive script in school these days?  This is news to me, and I was born in 1980.

/get.... off my lawn?


I was born in 1982, and I had to learn cursive writing in grammar school.  To this day, I get complimented on my penmanship, mostly because everyone else's sucks nowadays since basically everything is done on computers.

/off my lawn too, apparently
 
2013-01-09 09:30:30 PM
Being able to read cursive can is sometimes handy.  I don't really use cursive, though.
 
2013-01-09 09:37:09 PM

ArkAngel: I learned cursive in grade school and haven't used it for anything except a signature in years. What's the point?


Exactly. Everyone knows that anything that does not apply to ArkAngel's life is totally unnecessary.
 
2013-01-09 09:37:21 PM

ArkAngel: I learned cursive in grade school and haven't used it for anything except a signature in years. What's the point?


This. Maybe they can teach buggy whip manufacturing next. Plus, we'll have a secret code against all those farking kids.
 
2013-01-09 09:41:41 PM
It's still a useful skill, cognitively. Teaches fine motor skills. Enhances the ability to read. Will be handy for reading handwritten documents (yes, like the Constitution). And electronic means and devices aren't always available or appropriate. Cursive handwriting is still of great utility. Good for Indiana.
 
2013-01-09 09:43:38 PM
I lassoed a ternader while I wrote my signature in devil piss.  I also created the Grand Canyon by draggin my dingle through the mud.

I'M PECOS BILL DAMMIT!
 
2013-01-09 09:46:05 PM

nekom: They don't already?  Has that much changed, they don't teach cursive script in school these days?  This is news to me, and I was born in 1980.

/get.... off my lawn?


I was born only a few years before you, and it was taught to me. Thing is, I can't think of a single time I've used it in 15-20 years. Unless you count my signature - but even that's just a squiggly line more than actual cursive. For that matter, I think the only time I even write with a pen is to sign a receipt or draw dicks on a passed out friend's forehead. Even my ransom notes aren't hand-written anymore.

Requiring cursive to be taught seems like a waste of time better allocated to actually understanding the language.
 
2013-01-09 09:48:42 PM

vartian: ArkAngel: I learned cursive in grade school and haven't used it for anything except a signature in years. What's the point?

This. Maybe they can teach buggy whip manufacturing next. Plus, we'll have a secret code against all those farking kids.


I'm not sure I want to know what kind of secret code you came up with that involves buggy whips.
 
2013-01-09 09:51:10 PM

DMMidwest: It's still a useful skill, cognitively. Teaches fine motor skills. Enhances the ability to read. Will be handy for reading handwritten documents (yes, like the Constitution). And electronic means and devices aren't always available or appropriate. Cursive handwriting is still of great utility. Good for Indiana.


Fair enough, but does anyone actually read the original handwriting of the Constitution, other than to marvel at what a badass John Hancock was? Even at my age every time I've read it it was in print (textbook, website, whatever).

I have nothing against cursive; just not sure a bill enforcing it makes any sense. There are also plenty f other ways to refine motor skills.
 
2013-01-09 09:54:16 PM
OK I severely farked up that last post (am not sober at this moment).

 Declaration. But still.
 
2013-01-09 10:01:12 PM

dickfreckle: OK I severely farked up that last post (am not sober at this moment).

Declaration. But still.


It's okay. This is Fark. You're among drunk friends here.
 
2013-01-09 10:03:10 PM
I've used cursive once in the last ten years: the GRE has a statement that you have to write in cursive before you take the test.  Took me like 15 minutes because I had to remember how to make everything look somewhat like cursive.  I have no idea why the fark you have to do that when everything else is done on computer, but hey, there is a use for cursive past 5th grade.
 
2013-01-09 10:15:42 PM
I can barely print after using a computer for everything for so long.
 
2013-01-09 10:25:52 PM

R.A.Danny: I can barely print after using a computer for everything for so long.


and i can barely manage that. jopiw3nhj 3wn
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-09 10:42:58 PM
If boys don't know cursive, how will they wright their names in the snow?
 
2013-01-09 10:47:06 PM

vpb: If boys don't know cursive, how will they wright their names in the snow?


My real name is  Mahershalalhashbaz , I just make an X
 
2013-01-09 11:09:30 PM

revrendjim: ArkAngel: I learned cursive in grade school and haven't used it for anything except a signature in years. What's the point?

Exactly. Everyone knows that anything that does not apply to ArkAngel's life is totally unnecessary.


Whose life is affected by cursive? Every minute teaching cursive is a minute taken away from teaching something useful.
 
2013-01-09 11:18:47 PM
fark that shiat.
 
2013-01-09 11:19:33 PM
i236.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-09 11:20:43 PM
Indiana Bill hated Mexicans. And he was half-Mexican.

And he hated irony.
 
2013-01-10 12:08:15 AM
Indiana Bill will be contacted by Indiana Sue my god that is lame
 
2013-01-10 12:39:06 AM
Sometimes I really love Fark.
 
2013-01-10 03:45:54 AM
I'd like a word with this Indiana Bill, wherever he is.
 
2013-01-10 03:50:10 AM

NowhereMon: BarkingUnicorn: Do schools still teach typing,  or are kids assumed to pick that up on their own?

Typing will be just as obsolete as cursive in a few short years...


Except it won't, because the only thing touch screens are good for is compactness. I guarantee that a typist can fly across that keyboard far faster than someone on a balky touch screen that thinks it pressed the key right next to it, or won't detect the screen press, or can't detect the screen presses fast enough.

Even on my little slide-out smart phone keyboard, I am far faster typing on it than on the crummy one on the screen.
 
2013-01-10 03:53:44 AM
I used be able to write cursive so beautifully now, 27 years after HS graduation I can't even read it let alone write the damn stuff.
 
2013-01-10 03:54:37 AM
assets0.ordienetworks.com

Disapproves of this government interference.
 
2013-01-10 03:55:04 AM
AmA This is Illinois Adrian
 
2013-01-10 03:57:35 AM

DMMidwest: It's still a useful skill, cognitively. Teaches fine motor skills. Enhances the ability to read. Will be handy for reading handwritten documents (yes, like the Constitution). And electronic means and devices aren't always available or appropriate. Cursive handwriting is still of great utility. Good for Indiana.


I was taught cursive, and home computers weren't ubiquitous for some time. I wrote plenty of cursive.

STILL hard to read anyone else's.

Nowadays, though, I usually use print when writing by hand. My cursive was never all that legible.
 
2013-01-10 03:59:11 AM

MadCat221: Typing will be just as obsolete as cursive in a few short years...

Except it won't, because the only thing touch screens are good for is compactness


He may be talking about voice recognition, which is pretty damn good on my smart phone.
But even there he would be wrong. Who wants to work in an office-full of people talking to their computers?
 
2013-01-10 04:01:05 AM
www.wtfeck.com
 
2013-01-10 04:07:09 AM
They fhould infeald leach some eye glaffef for the moronf who can't fee.
 
2013-01-10 04:14:00 AM
I was born in 1980, and learned cursive. In fact, in the 2nd grade, I got a "C" in penmanship, and my mother kicked my ass...I have what others have called beautiful handwriting now (Mom was kind of a biatch...everything was her way, or, well, everything was her way).

Anyhow, cursive was a lifesaver in college...I, and my classmates who knew cursive, were able to take much more thorough notes, since cursive is generally faster to write.

I learned Chinese in college, and lived in China for five years, and one of the things that always pissed me off was that I was never taught how to write "cursive" Chinese (and I never had time to teach myself). Therefore, it always took me ten times longer than anyone else to write something in Chinese.

Cursive is useful...it helps you write more quickly, which is useful in any schooling or job where you have to take notes in real time.

/friends say I write like a girl.
//their penmanship sucks.
 
2013-01-10 04:17:14 AM

ArkAngel: I learned cursive in grade school and haven't used it for anything except a signature in years. What's the point?


You never know when every ball point and felt tip pen in the whole world might disappear, and you'll be forced to use a fountain pen.

If that ever happens, you'll be awfully glad that you learned a form of writing where you almost never remove the pen tip from the paper. Otherwise, you'd leave little splashes of ink everywhere.

// yes, that really is the only reason cursive exists.
// no, it is not faster to write in cursive
 
2013-01-10 04:20:55 AM
I have to say, if you are writing something other people will have to read, don't use cursive. It is really, really hard to read someone else's cursive, particularly by people who don't write in cursive themselves.

They can probably decipher it given time, but it takes forever and is really irritating.
 
2013-01-10 04:21:23 AM

Coco LaFemme: To this day, I get complimented on my penmanship


Why are you writing by hand text that you intend other people to read? Who stole your typewriter? I'm sure if you asked nicely we could get you setup with some sort of text-imprinting device.

/ Haven't written a single thing I intend other to read for at least 10 years
// Born earlier than you
 
2013-01-10 04:21:46 AM

Kim Jong-il: cursive is generally faster to write.


ha ha ha... no.

Now, I don't doubt that you do honestly find that you write faster in the script that you've been practicing with every single day of your whole life since you were eight years old.

But there's nothing special about an italic script that makes it any faster to write in, other than the amount of practice you've had.
 
2013-01-10 04:23:36 AM
Anything that will make the little darlings less reliant on spell-check can't be all bad, can it?

/ there gonna learn it
// over their in Indiana
/// it'll be good for they're brains
 
2013-01-10 04:24:00 AM

The Larch: yes, that really is the only reason cursive exists


People assume cursive is ancient. In fact, as you note, it was invented to match the writing technology of the day. Apparently we're not allowed to continue to follow that historical model. "I like all the technology invented up until this point, but this is enough -- no more".
 
2013-01-10 04:24:02 AM
Pretty much everyone who learned cursive in grade school unlearned it by high school, and then relearned their own method in college. Virtually nobody writes "cursive" except schoolteachers--and I guarantee if you bother looking, you can tell a teacher's writing instantly because theirs is the ONLY handwriting that is always legible.

And it's about the same for typing. Touch-typing should be taught in school, imo, but it's always been an elective; but eventually everyone who has to handle a keyboard figures out SOME system of their own that allows them to use a keyboard without looking at it. It may not be the one taught in school, but everyone can do it. That's why the required typing speed for  clerical jobs is a measly 45 wpm. Anyone who knows touch-typing can always do at least 60--but anyone who uses a keyboard daily can manage 45 if they're any better than hunt&pecking.

So if you go on to college, you WILL learn to write some kind of cursive--or you will never be able to take notes. Period.
 
2013-01-10 04:26:01 AM

Gyrfalcon: So if you go on to college, you WILL learn to write some kind of cursive--or you will never be able to take notes. Period.


No one takes notes on paper in college these days.
 
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