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2013-01-09 04:19:35 PM
FTA: However, the spokeswoman also said Michael had eaten from the hot food bar before, and the store had always been understanding.  She also said the language used by the security guard was closer to: "you don't have to put him on a leash, but you have to watch him."

Suggested alternate headline: Family of autistic man uses Fox 6 to troll for free publicity, stuff
 
2013-01-09 04:38:15 PM
Those comments on that stories page make me embarrassed to live in the same city as them. What the hell is wrong with people?
 
2013-01-09 08:19:44 PM
I can't wait for the followup article when one of the young lad's teachers tells him to "break a leg" on his next test.
 
2013-01-09 08:25:35 PM
At the very least keep him occupied with some paper and crayons, geeze.
 
2013-01-09 08:27:27 PM
Why can't you harness a whole team of them to pull a sled?
 
2013-01-09 08:27:32 PM
Shock belt?
 
2013-01-09 08:28:08 PM

FunkOut: Why can't you harness a whole team of them to pull a sled?


Reinmen?
 
2013-01-09 08:29:14 PM
Most of them enjoy being on a leash. Some of them even pay for it.
 
2013-01-09 08:30:09 PM

FunkOut: Why can't you harness a whole team of them to pull a sled?


Training them...
media1.break.com

When a man has the mind of a child we lock him away, and yet children run free.
 
2013-01-09 08:30:28 PM
Read that as autistic parents, and wondered how that worked
 
2013-01-09 08:31:59 PM
What an autistic woman may look like

farm3.staticflickr.com
 
2013-01-09 08:32:04 PM
Hah, can't believe this made it to Fark :P I side with the security guard in this case... The attention-seeking coont obviously wasn't watching the autistic guy like she SHOULD have been and oops, he got in trouble, now she whines to the world about how terrible it is to scold someone who was obviously stealing / ruining food.
 
2013-01-09 08:33:36 PM
www.movieactors.com

Mongo?

/love those goofy bastards.
 
2013-01-09 08:34:24 PM

LtDarkstar: Hah, can't believe this made it to Fark :P I side with the security guard in this case... The attention-seeking coont obviously wasn't watching the autistic guy like she SHOULD have been and oops, he got in trouble, now she whines to the world about how terrible it is to scold someone who was obviously stealing / ruining food.


FARK really needs a two-sided "Vote" mechanism here, so we can just register our side upfront.
 
2013-01-09 08:34:35 PM
yeah i'm going to agree with the people who side more with the security guard. what he said wasn't that horrible, and if you keep bringing him in where he causes an issue maybe you need a bit of a sterner rebuke.
 
2013-01-09 08:36:07 PM
Maybe she could just leave him where he really belongs while she goes shopping, in his cage.
 
2013-01-09 08:36:39 PM
The usual crap.

If you know your brother has autism then it is YOUR responsibility to keep extremely close tabs on him and when somebody suggests that you do so the response is not to act indignant and demand sensitivity training.

And no, offering to pay for the item after the fact does not excuse a damn thing.
 
2013-01-09 08:36:45 PM
Could have been charged with grand theft veggie samosa. Count your blessings. No, seriously, count them.

/82 82 82
 
2013-01-09 08:37:23 PM
Couldn't you use a shock or choke collar?
 
2013-01-09 08:38:01 PM
She should get him a reflective orange vest which clearly says DISABED PERSON so that everyone wil know to treat him with sensitivity.
 
2013-01-09 08:38:33 PM
Tard walks in and starts stuffing his face with food while at the hot bar

People tell him to stop and that she needs to watch her little burden closer

She gets outraged

What a backward society we have, when we let assholes like this woman drag her autistic brother into a store to run wild and slober over food, and yet we punish the people who try to keep him from doing so.
 
2013-01-09 08:38:53 PM

LtDarkstar: Hah, can't believe this made it to Fark :P I side with the security guard in this case... The attention-seeking coont obviously wasn't watching the autistic guy like she SHOULD have been and oops, he got in trouble, now she whines to the world about how terrible it is to scold someone who was obviously stealing / ruining food.


A sheltered eastside twit who thinks she's more important than everyone else AND shops at Whole Foods? Noooo, never in Milwaukee.
 
2013-01-09 08:39:49 PM
thank god asberger's doesn't exist anymore....I pray that we can keep these human chimps under better control
 
2013-01-09 08:39:52 PM

namegoeshere: She should get him a reflective orange vest which clearly says DISABED PERSON so that everyone wil know to treat him with sensitivity.


Then he'd constantly be mistaken for one of  the City's public works crew.

Or a politician.
 
2013-01-09 08:43:41 PM

A stranger in the Alps: [www.movieactors.com image 266x164]

Mongo?

/love those goofy bastards.


Yup, this is what I was looking for.
 
2013-01-09 08:44:55 PM

voodoomedic: thank god asberger's doesn't exist anymore....I pray that we can keep these human chimps under better control


Though I'm aware you're trolling, Aspergers never should have been part of the Autism spectrum to begin with. As someone who has aspergers under the DSM-IV, (but not classified under the DSM-V), I have always thought this. People with Aspergers have social awkwardness, but do not act in the manner of this article, or in the article calbert linked.
 
2013-01-09 08:45:15 PM

atomicmask: Tard walks in and starts stuffing his face with food while at the hot bar

People tell him to stop and that she needs to watch her little burden closer

She gets outraged

What a backward society we have, when we let assholes like this woman drag her autistic brother into a store to run wild and slober over food, and yet we punish the people who try to keep him from doing so.


i agree, what if he had stuck his hand in a hot pot of chai tea latte or something. even though 1) the sister should be the responsible party 2) it would still be considered stealing, they would try to sue
 
2013-01-09 08:45:16 PM
does it involve sexy collars? because i'm ok with this if there are sexy collars involved.

/i want SPIKES. caps = big shiny spikes.
 
2013-01-09 08:45:31 PM

Rockstone: voodoomedic: thank god asberger's doesn't exist anymore....I pray that we can keep these human chimps under better control

Though I'm aware you're trolling, Aspergers never should have been part of the Autism spectrum to begin with. As someone who has aspergers under the DSM-IV, (but not classified under the DSM-V), I have always thought this. People with Aspergers have social awkwardness, but do not act in the manner of this article, or in the article calbert linked.


They do however fail at previewing though...
 
2013-01-09 08:46:30 PM
Helmet?
 
2013-01-09 08:49:04 PM
Holy shiat at those comments

Why was she not watching the little prick, he's 26 but cant control himself near a hot bar. Autism or not, a 26 year old human knows better.

And that's far from the worst comment.
 
2013-01-09 08:50:23 PM
The security guard could have used much better wording, but this is apparently not the first time this has happened PLUS his sister knows that he has difficulties communicating. Take some initiative.
 
2013-01-09 08:51:18 PM

Indubitably: Helmet?


To leash.

;)
 
2013-01-09 08:52:01 PM
Some of my patients are artistic.
 
2013-01-09 08:52:54 PM
I wouldn't take this young man to a grocery store without more supervision. Guard was still an insensitive douchebag.

Public bathrooms continue to be challenge for us unless there is a private family bathroom. We try to plan ahead.
 
2013-01-09 08:52:54 PM

Yes this is dog: Indubitably: Helmet?

To leash.

;)


"I bnneed to sssthcure my bbb-oundaries. My helmet helps."
 
2013-01-09 08:52:59 PM

Rockstone: voodoomedic: thank god asberger's doesn't exist anymore....I pray that we can keep these human chimps under better control

Though I'm aware you're trolling, Aspergers never should have been part of the Autism spectrum to begin with. As someone who has aspergers under the DSM-IV, (but not classified under the DSM-V), I have always thought this. People with Aspergers have social awkwardness, but do not act in the manner of this article, or in the article calbert linked.


It depends on how wide of a net you cast. Autism has covered a lot of symptoms with no common pathology to link them together. The criteria seems to be "well if it's a severe developmental disorder we can't link it to a genetic or congenital birth defect, or abuse, or chemical exposure, it's 'autism'." Then the logic extended with "ok, so if he/she doesn't display social behavior deemed TYPICAL, we'll just call that the same thing, but 'lighter'." Still no identified mechanism of pathology, much less one demonstrated to be common.

Both Aspergers AND autism encompass such a wide range of symptoms it seems implausible that they're all the same pathology. Different problems are being conflated and that's never good for advancing understanding and treatment.
 
2013-01-09 08:53:14 PM

atomicmask: Tard walks in and starts stuffing his face with food while at the hot bar


Yeah, I doubt he was discreetly popping cherry tomatoes into his mouth.

Probably more like fist fulls of Swedish Meatballs chased by a ladles worth of Ranch Dressing.
 
2013-01-09 08:53:37 PM

Indubitably: Yes this is dog: Indubitably: Helmet?

To leash.

;)

"I bnneed to sssthcure my bbb-oundaries. My helmet helps."


*click* that leash...

*)
 
2013-01-09 08:54:17 PM
Oh, and

"We apologize and regret that one of our contracted security guards made insensitive comments to a Whole Foods Market shopper who was disabled. We are conducting special training this week for all team members at Whole Foods Market Milwaukee, even though none of our team members were involved."

So take it up with the company he was contracted from, or promise to stop using them. Don't take it out on the group of people who you KNOW didn't do anything wrong.

/just as shiatty as Comcast's response to their out-of-control contractors
 
2013-01-09 08:56:52 PM
This shiat makes me sad. Big farking deal. Explain, offer to pay and the store understands. Get over you self absorbed lives IT IS A GROCERY STORE. I see little spoilt shiats gnawing on unbought Kinder Surprises daily.

When did compassion become a relic.
 
2013-01-09 08:57:01 PM

Oznog: Rockstone: voodoomedic: thank god asberger's doesn't exist anymore....I pray that we can keep these human chimps under better control

Though I'm aware you're trolling, Aspergers never should have been part of the Autism spectrum to begin with. As someone who has aspergers under the DSM-IV, (but not classified under the DSM-V), I have always thought this. People with Aspergers have social awkwardness, but do not act in the manner of this article, or in the article calbert linked.

It depends on how wide of a net you cast. Autism has covered a lot of symptoms with no common pathology to link them together. The criteria seems to be "well if it's a severe developmental disorder we can't link it to a genetic or congenital birth defect, or abuse, or chemical exposure, it's 'autism'." Then the logic extended with "ok, so if he/she doesn't display social behavior deemed TYPICAL, we'll just call that the same thing, but 'lighter'." Still no identified mechanism of pathology, much less one demonstrated to be common.

Both Aspergers AND autism encompass such a wide range of symptoms it seems implausible that they're all the same pathology. Different problems are being conflated and that's never good for advancing understanding and treatment.


And they are not, imo.

BUT, modern science is skewwwed by corporatism. Decorporatize to find the mind and environment playing with plastics...

P.S. This has ceased being funny.
 
2013-01-09 08:58:51 PM

sleeps in trees: This shiat makes me sad. Big farking deal. Explain, offer to pay and the store understands. Get over you self absorbed lives IT IS A GROCERY STORE. I see little spoilt shiats gnawing on unbought Kinder Surprises daily.

When did compassion become a relic.


Hiya, Gorgeous.

*blush*
 
2013-01-09 08:59:37 PM

Rockstone: voodoomedic: thank god asberger's doesn't exist anymore....I pray that we can keep these human chimps under better control

Though I'm aware you're trolling, Aspergers never should have been part of the Autism spectrum to begin with. As someone who has aspergers under the DSM-IV, (but not classified under the DSM-V), I have always thought this. People with Aspergers have social awkwardness, but do not act in the manner of this article, or in the article calbert linked.


I agree, Kanners and Aspergers are very different.
 
2013-01-09 09:00:04 PM

Rockstone: Rockstone: voodoomedic: thank god asberger's doesn't exist anymore....I pray that we can keep these human chimps under better control

Though I'm aware you're trolling, Aspergers never should have been part of the Autism spectrum to begin with. As someone who has aspergers under the DSM-IV, (but not classified under the DSM-V), I have always thought this. People with Aspergers have social awkwardness, but do not act in the manner of this article, or in the article calbert linked.

They do however fail at previewing though...


I agree with you. People with Aspergers can function more independently ( self-care) and learn while individual high on the autism spectrum are most likely so severely impaired they cannot live and work without supervision.
 
2013-01-09 09:00:10 PM
I understand that when nature or god chooses to "gift" you with a "special" sort of person, it comes with a series of difficulties above and beyond that of normal parent/siblinghood.

People who choose to be involved in your life need to be understanding about these things. Hell, it's even reasonable to ask neighbors to cut you a little slack, or for your employer to maybe be a little accomodating for certain things. (Such as extra visits to the doctor/ meetings with special school folks/ whatever.)

However, for you to ASSUME that your little burden can run all over the face of the earth, behaving in ways that are socially unacceptable while you either smile indulgently (HE'S EXPRESSING HIMSELF THE ONLY WAY HE KNOWS HOW!) or become offended when people don't care to accomodate your little burden without warning..that's just straight up assholish.

This goes triply for those of you with a burden who "looks normal" (for lack of a better term). If I see some guy who looks 25 running around a bookstore and tossing books off the shelves while babbling, I'm not going to immediately say "Oh, he must be autistic." My assumption is that he's on drugs, or trying to be funny in some hipster sort of way.

You want people to treat you and your kid with dignity, teach your kid to behave with dignity. Even an autistic kid knows right from wrong, if you made the effort to teach him.
 
2013-01-09 09:01:21 PM

Indubitably: Oznog: Rockstone: voodoomedic: thank god asberger's doesn't exist anymore....I pray that we can keep these human chimps under better control

Though I'm aware you're trolling, Aspergers never should have been part of the Autism spectrum to begin with. As someone who has aspergers under the DSM-IV, (but not classified under the DSM-V), I have always thought this. People with Aspergers have social awkwardness, but do not act in the manner of this article, or in the article calbert linked.

It depends on how wide of a net you cast. Autism has covered a lot of symptoms with no common pathology to link them together. The criteria seems to be "well if it's a severe developmental disorder we can't link it to a genetic or congenital birth defect, or abuse, or chemical exposure, it's 'autism'." Then the logic extended with "ok, so if he/she doesn't display social behavior deemed TYPICAL, we'll just call that the same thing, but 'lighter'." Still no identified mechanism of pathology, much less one demonstrated to be common.

Both Aspergers AND autism encompass such a wide range of symptoms it seems implausible that they're all the same pathology. Different problems are being conflated and that's never good for advancing understanding and treatment.

And they are not, imo.

BUT, modern science is skewwwed by corporatism. Decorporatize to find the mind and environment playing with plastics...

P.S. This has ceased being funny.


I don't think so. I think it's more that it's convenient to throw a bunch of disorders together and call it a day. But I do agree that they're not really related. Someone with Aspergers can function normally in society, and in fact, it is well suspected that many of the most intelligent people throughout history had it. However, someone with the extremes of Autism can barely function at all. They're not related.
 
2013-01-09 09:02:35 PM

sleeps in trees: This shiat makes me sad. Big farking deal. Explain, offer to pay and the store understands. Get over you self absorbed lives IT IS A GROCERY STORE. I see little spoilt shiats gnawing on unbought Kinder Surprises daily.

When did compassion become a relic.


True. Still think the sister should supervise him better especially since the article stated that he had done this before.
 
2013-01-09 09:04:44 PM
"special training" for all their employees as a result of this.  I'm sure they're going to love that lady, for making them waste their time on that shiat.
 
2013-01-09 09:04:57 PM
I've got to assume that the security guard wasn't seriously suggesting a leash, but instead using it as a turn of phrase; e.g. "That girl needs to keep her boyfriend on a leash; he's going after other girls at this party."

They're not SERIOUSLY suggesting that. It just means to get control over.
 
2013-01-09 09:06:12 PM

Sillygoth: I understand that when nature or god chooses to "gift" you with a "special" sort of person, it comes with a series of difficulties above and beyond that of normal parent/siblinghood.

People who choose to be involved in your life need to be understanding about these things. Hell, it's even reasonable to ask neighbors to cut you a little slack, or for your employer to maybe be a little accomodating for certain things. (Such as extra visits to the doctor/ meetings with special school folks/ whatever.)

However, for you to ASSUME that your little burden can run all over the face of the earth, behaving in ways that are socially unacceptable while you either smile indulgently (HE'S EXPRESSING HIMSELF THE ONLY WAY HE KNOWS HOW!) or become offended when people don't care to accomodate your little burden without warning..that's just straight up assholish.

This goes triply for those of you with a burden who "looks normal" (for lack of a better term). If I see some guy who looks 25 running around a bookstore and tossing books off the shelves while babbling, I'm not going to immediately say "Oh, he must be autistic." My assumption is that he's on drugs, or trying to be funny in some hipster sort of way.

You want people to treat you and your kid with dignity, teach your kid to behave with dignity. Even an autistic kid knows right from wrong, if you made the effort to teach him.


A 26 year old may have missed out on the wave of ABA that is recommended. It is also very expensive. I know I couldn't keep my son away from the food so I wouldn't take him there.
 
2013-01-09 09:07:44 PM

Rockstone: Indubitably: Oznog: Rockstone: voodoomedic: thank god asberger's doesn't exist anymore....I pray that we can keep these human chimps under better control

Though I'm aware you're trolling, Aspergers never should have been part of the Autism spectrum to begin with. As someone who has aspergers under the DSM-IV, (but not classified under the DSM-V), I have always thought this. People with Aspergers have social awkwardness, but do not act in the manner of this article, or in the article calbert linked.

It depends on how wide of a net you cast. Autism has covered a lot of symptoms with no common pathology to link them together. The criteria seems to be "well if it's a severe developmental disorder we can't link it to a genetic or congenital birth defect, or abuse, or chemical exposure, it's 'autism'." Then the logic extended with "ok, so if he/she doesn't display social behavior deemed TYPICAL, we'll just call that the same thing, but 'lighter'." Still no identified mechanism of pathology, much less one demonstrated to be common.

Both Aspergers AND autism encompass such a wide range of symptoms it seems implausible that they're all the same pathology. Different problems are being conflated and that's never good for advancing understanding and treatment.

And they are not, imo.

BUT, modern science is skewwwed by corporatism. Decorporatize to find the mind and environment playing with plastics...

P.S. This has ceased being funny.

I don't think so. I think it's more that it's convenient to throw a bunch of disorders together and call it a day. But I do agree that they're not really related. Someone with Aspergers can function normally in society, and in fact, it is well suspected that many of the most intelligent people throughout history had it. However, someone with the extremes of Autism can barely function at all. They're not related.


Totally related.
 
2013-01-09 09:08:21 PM

sleeps in trees: Rockstone: voodoomedic: thank god asberger's doesn't exist anymore....I pray that we can keep these human chimps under better control

Though I'm aware you're trolling, Aspergers never should have been part of the Autism spectrum to begin with. As someone who has aspergers under the DSM-IV, (but not classified under the DSM-V), I have always thought this. People with Aspergers have social awkwardness, but do not act in the manner of this article, or in the article calbert linked.

I agree, Kanners and Aspergers are very different.


Quit pathologizing, plz.
 
2013-01-09 09:08:56 PM

Indubitably: sleeps in trees: Rockstone: voodoomedic: thank god asberger's doesn't exist anymore....I pray that we can keep these human chimps under better control

Though I'm aware you're trolling, Aspergers never should have been part of the Autism spectrum to begin with. As someone who has aspergers under the DSM-IV, (but not classified under the DSM-V), I have always thought this. People with Aspergers have social awkwardness, but do not act in the manner of this article, or in the article calbert linked.

I agree, Kanners and Aspergers are very different.

Quit pathologizing, plz.

To resee

 
2013-01-09 09:10:38 PM
If someone has a level of retardation that they can't be trusted alone in a grocery store, they should be closely monitored or left with a sitter. And if the guard hadn't confronted him, I seriously doubt that they were going to pay for the stolen food.
 
2013-01-09 09:12:37 PM
FTA: " I told them that he had autism, apologized that he had taken the food, and immediately offered to pay for it. They told me he needed to get out of the store and not come back unless he was on a leash," Goldman said.
Goldman said she was so taken aback she started an online petition to demand sensitivity training at Whole Foods.
The store took notice.
"

Good!

Finally there is SOMEPLACE that I can take ol' uncle Ed and his chronic explosive diarrhea.

To Tolerance!
 
2013-01-09 09:13:34 PM

Indubitably: Indubitably: Yes this is dog: Indubitably: Helmet?

To leash.

;)

"I bnneed to sssthcure my bbb-oundaries. My helmet helps."

*click* that leash...

*)


You know the only thing I'm curious about is how your account ignores the 1 minute post lag, regardless of posting replies to yourself or not.
 
2013-01-09 09:17:08 PM

BumpInTheNight: Indubitably: Indubitably: Yes this is dog: Indubitably: Helmet?

To leash.

;)

"I bnneed to sssthcure my bbb-oundaries. My helmet helps."

*click* that leash...

*)

You know the only thing I'm curious about is how your account ignores the 1 minute post lag, regardless of posting replies to yourself or not.


Golden leash?
 
2013-01-09 09:18:17 PM

Indubitably: BumpInTheNight: Indubitably: Indubitably: Yes this is dog: Indubitably: Helmet?

To leash.

;)

"I bnneed to sssthcure my bbb-oundaries. My helmet helps."

*click* that leash...

*)

You know the only thing I'm curious about is how your account ignores the 1 minute post lag, regardless of posting replies to yourself or not.

Golden leash?


Much like a parachute, albeit monetarily worthless...

Heh.
 
2013-01-09 09:19:17 PM

Indubitably: Indubitably: BumpInTheNight: Indubitably: Indubitably: Yes this is dog: Indubitably: Helmet?

To leash.

;)

"I bnneed to sssthcure my bbb-oundaries. My helmet helps."

*click* that leash...

*)

You know the only thing I'm curious about is how your account ignores the 1 minute post lag, regardless of posting replies to yourself or not.

Golden leash?

Much like a parachute, albeit monetarily worthless...

Heh.


To Shaman.
 
2013-01-09 09:20:49 PM
FTA
"It`s all much to the relief of the Goldman family- including Michael. His sister said he understands what`s going on, and is still upset by it."

If he understands this, he can understand not to eat out of the hot bar.
 
2013-01-09 09:26:59 PM
As someone close to a person on the autism spectrum, I find Fark autism threads to be a good source of practice for maintaining self-control when presented with unbelievable levels of stupidity. Also, they're a good place to give my "ignore" button a good workout.
 
2013-01-09 09:36:23 PM
www.todaslasnovedades.es
 
2013-01-09 09:37:13 PM

Chibi Shinigami: I've got to assume that the security guard wasn't seriously suggesting a leash, but instead using it as a turn of phrase; e.g. "That girl needs to keep her boyfriend on a leash; he's going after other girls at this party."

They're not SERIOUSLY suggesting that. It just means to get control over.


And yet there is a reason you do not use sarcasm in a workplace unless you actually know the other person. If you say something retarded, someone else will take you literally. This guard completely deserves the sensitivity training, because he's a dumbass, and if he said it without sarcasm, also an asshole.

/If you have a disability or are different somehow, people will be an asshole to you. That's more likely than for this to be a troll family. People are dicks.
 
2013-01-09 09:50:47 PM
Here is a fun gag for the hippie food store. When they ask if you want paper or plastic, say "I don't know. One kills the trees, and the other will still be in a landfill in 3 billion years." If they offer you a reusable cloth or recycled plastic bag, say "I don't know. Those were probably made in a sweatshop, maybe even by children." Lay a big guilt trip on them.

It may be even more fun to shock them then to try to lay a guilt trip. To do it that way, after the paper or plastic question, say the trees and landfills thing louder. Then say you'll take some of each, and shout out. "You hear that, hippies! I am taking some of each! Tree killers and indestructible waste! " If they offer reusable, shout out "Bags made in a sweatshop by slaves. Most Heinous! I'll take those."
 
2013-01-09 09:53:05 PM
I want to tell you guys a story. I met a guy at 12 years of age diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome. He was extremely odd and would ramble on about things that have no bearing on the subject at hand. Physically normal. I have worked with him for 10 years, with the school system, and now you can chat with him as if there is nothing different about him. An incredible memory for maps, times, date and coordination of the previous. I can ask him a date 10 years before he was born and he can spit out the day of the week before I finish the question or any other event! Amazing!!! His peers love him and I have no doubt he will fit it beautifully, after another year or two.

Autism = Asperger's NEVER
 
2013-01-09 09:55:47 PM

RedVentrue: FTA
"It`s all much to the relief of the Goldman family- including Michael. His sister said he understands what`s going on, and is still upset by it."

If he understands this, he can understand not to eat out of the hot bar.


Oops.
 
2013-01-09 09:57:48 PM

baddogg: I want to tell you guys a story. I met a guy at 12 years of age diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome. He was extremely odd and would ramble on about things that have no bearing on the subject at hand. Physically normal. I have worked with him for 10 years, with the school system, and now you can chat with him as if there is nothing different about him. An incredible memory for maps, times, date and coordination of the previous. I can ask him a date 10 years before he was born and he can spit out the day of the week before I finish the question or any other event! Amazing!!! His peers love him and I have no doubt he will fit it beautifully, after another year or two.

Autism = Asperger's NEVER


I have a friend whom I was told in confidence by his younger brother, that he had Aspberger's. At the time, I had never heard of it, but I had heard of autism. I have yet to figure out what his autist "super power" is, but I'm sure it will manifest itself one day.

He works in television and film, oddly enough.

/dull story, bro
 
2013-01-09 09:58:01 PM

PsiChick: Chibi Shinigami: I've got to assume that the security guard wasn't seriously suggesting a leash, but instead using it as a turn of phrase; e.g. "That girl needs to keep her boyfriend on a leash; he's going after other girls at this party."

They're not SERIOUSLY suggesting that. It just means to get control over.

And yet there is a reason you do not use sarcasm in a workplace unless you actually know the other person. If you say something retarded, someone else will take you literally. This guard completely deserves the sensitivity training, because he's a dumbass, and if he said it without sarcasm, also an asshole.

/If you have a disability or are different somehow, people will be an asshole to you. That's more likely than for this to be a troll family. People are dicks.


/seriously oops? fo. quit making excuses, you whatevs.
 
2013-01-09 09:58:06 PM

Indubitably: sleeps in trees: This shiat makes me sad. Big farking deal. Explain, offer to pay and the store understands. Get over you self absorbed lives IT IS A GROCERY STORE. I see little spoilt shiats gnawing on unbought Kinder Surprises daily.

When did compassion become a relic.

Hiya, Gorgeous.

*blush*


Hiya back. Thanks. Sometimes the world makes me sad. You don't.
 
2013-01-09 09:58:56 PM

pxlboy: baddogg: I want to tell you guys a story. I met a guy at 12 years of age diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome. He was extremely odd and would ramble on about things that have no bearing on the subject at hand. Physically normal. I have worked with him for 10 years, with the school system, and now you can chat with him as if there is nothing different about him. An incredible memory for maps, times, date and coordination of the previous. I can ask him a date 10 years before he was born and he can spit out the day of the week before I finish the question or any other event! Amazing!!! His peers love him and I have no doubt he will fit it beautifully, after another year or two.

Autism = Asperger's NEVER

I have a friend whom I was told in confidence by his younger brother, that he had Aspberger's. At the time, I had never heard of it, but I had heard of autism. I have yet to figure out what his autist "super power" is, but I'm sure it will manifest itself one day.

He works in television and film, oddly enough.

/dull story, bro

To tarnish

 
2013-01-09 09:59:42 PM

sleeps in trees: Indubitably: sleeps in trees: This shiat makes me sad. Big farking deal. Explain, offer to pay and the store understands. Get over you self absorbed lives IT IS A GROCERY STORE. I see little spoilt shiats gnawing on unbought Kinder Surprises daily.

When did compassion become a relic.

Hiya, Gorgeous.

*blush*

Hiya back. Thanks. Sometimes the world makes me sad. You don't.


I love you and all.

And that's that.
 
2013-01-09 10:27:14 PM

Kanemano: Read that as autistic parents, and wondered how that worked


Me too, and I thought FINALLY someone put their finger on the actual problem...
 
2013-01-09 10:32:10 PM

Indubitably: Rockstone: Indubitably: Oznog: Rockstone: voodoomedic: thank god asberger's doesn't exist anymore....I pray that we can keep these human chimps under better control

Though I'm aware you're trolling, Aspergers never should have been part of the Autism spectrum to begin with. As someone who has aspergers under the DSM-IV, (but not classified under the DSM-V), I have always thought this. People with Aspergers have social awkwardness, but do not act in the manner of this article, or in the article calbert linked.

It depends on how wide of a net you cast. Autism has covered a lot of symptoms with no common pathology to link them together. The criteria seems to be "well if it's a severe developmental disorder we can't link it to a genetic or congenital birth defect, or abuse, or chemical exposure, it's 'autism'." Then the logic extended with "ok, so if he/she doesn't display social behavior deemed TYPICAL, we'll just call that the same thing, but 'lighter'." Still no identified mechanism of pathology, much less one demonstrated to be common.

Both Aspergers AND autism encompass such a wide range of symptoms it seems implausible that they're all the same pathology. Different problems are being conflated and that's never good for advancing understanding and treatment.

And they are not, imo.

BUT, modern science is skewwwed by corporatism. Decorporatize to find the mind and environment playing with plastics...

P.S. This has ceased being funny.

I don't think so. I think it's more that it's convenient to throw a bunch of disorders together and call it a day. But I do agree that they're not really related. Someone with Aspergers can function normally in society, and in fact, it is well suspected that many of the most intelligent people throughout history had it. However, someone with the extremes of Autism can barely function at all. They're not related.

Totally related.


^^this

Embarrassing at this point that "Aspeger's" patients continue to set themselves outside the autism realm.
"Oh my child is brilliant! He just can't carry in a conversation because he' s so involved in his work. He's not autistic."
No. No he/she is not. And by denying it, you're denying your kid/loved one the opportunity to get appropriate help. And by appropriate, I mean actual special education/speech therapy/language pathology assistance. You are not the "autistic elite." Jenny McCarthy requests a recount.
 
2013-01-09 10:42:54 PM

randomjsa: The usual crap.

If you know your brother has autism then it is YOUR responsibility to keep extremely close tabs on him and when somebody suggests that you do so the response is not to act indignant and demand sensitivity training.

And no, offering to pay for the item after the fact does not excuse a damn thing.



I know I'm responding to a random threadshiatter, but:

However, the spokeswoman also said Michael had eaten from the hot food bar before, and the store had always been understanding.

How was he, or his guardian, supposed to know that what was previously accepted behavior had suddenly become unacceptable?

Estoppel FT(legal)W.
 
2013-01-09 11:01:41 PM

baddogg: I want to tell you guys a story. I met a guy at 12 years of age diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome. He was extremely odd and would ramble on about things that have no bearing on the subject at hand. Physically normal. I have worked with him for 10 years, with the school system, and now you can chat with him as if there is nothing different about him. An incredible memory for maps, times, date and coordination of the previous. I can ask him a date 10 years before he was born and he can spit out the day of the week before I finish the question or any other event! Amazing!!! His peers love him and I have no doubt he will fit it beautifully, after another year or two.



After 10 years in the same job setting, he's developed a comfort zone and has learned some of the socialmhabits of his coworkers.


Autism = Asperger's NEVER


Which is like saying that a kid who needs leg braces for mild spastic diplegia can't possibly have cerebral palsy because he's not twitching in a wheelchair.
 
2013-01-09 11:06:26 PM

atomicmask: Tard walks in and starts stuffing his face with food while at the hot bar

People tell him to stop and that she needs to watch her little burden closer

She gets outraged

What a backward society we have, when we let assholes like this woman drag her autistic brother into a store to run wild and slober over food, and yet we punish the people who try to keep him from doing so.


Why don't people treat, the grocery store with hot food, like a restaurant? We pay after we eat at a restaurant.

Why can't they put a farking cash register over there if it's such a problem?

fark them.
 
2013-01-09 11:07:32 PM

common sense is an oxymoron: randomjsa: The usual crap.

If you know your brother has autism then it is YOUR responsibility to keep extremely close tabs on him and when somebody suggests that you do so the response is not to act indignant and demand sensitivity training.

And no, offering to pay for the item after the fact does not excuse a damn thing.


I know I'm responding to a random threadshiatter, but:

However, the spokeswoman also said Michael had eaten from the hot food bar before, and the store had always been understanding.

How was he, or his guardian, supposed to know that what was previously accepted behavior had suddenly become unacceptable?

Estoppel FT(legal)W.


I missed that. Looks like the store could be SOL on this one. Either that, or they forgot to tell the security guard to be a little more sensitive (which is a problem in itself). You don't get to change the rules on ANYBODY midstream and expect you'll be in the right, folks.
 
2013-01-09 11:15:10 PM

Chibi Shinigami: I've got to assume that the security guard wasn't seriously suggesting a leash, but instead using it as a turn of phrase; e.g. "That girl needs to keep her boyfriend on a leash; he's going after other girls at this party."

They're not SERIOUSLY suggesting that. It just means to get control over.


Chibi Shinigami: I've got to assume that the security guard wasn't seriously suggesting a leash, but instead using it as a turn of phrase; e.g. "That girl needs to keep her boyfriend on a leash; he's going after other girls at this party."

They're not SERIOUSLY suggesting that. It just means to get control over.


According to the article, he said she DOESN'T have to keep him on a leash. Of course, if we learned anything from Trayvon/Zimmerman, it's that you must never say anything that could be rearranged with audio editing to sound racist, sexist, or ableist.

/including individual phonems
//so STFU and GBTW or DIAF
 
2013-01-09 11:30:01 PM

common sense is an oxymoron: baddogg: I want to tell you guys a story. I met a guy at 12 years of age diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome. He was extremely odd and would ramble on about things that have no bearing on the subject at hand. Physically normal. I have worked with him for 10 years, with the school system, and now you can chat with him as if there is nothing different about him. An incredible memory for maps, times, date and coordination of the previous. I can ask him a date 10 years before he was born and he can spit out the day of the week before I finish the question or any other event! Amazing!!! His peers love him and I have no doubt he will fit it beautifully, after another year or two.


After 10 years in the same job setting, he's developed a comfort zone and has learned some of the socialmhabits of his coworkers.


Autism = Asperger's NEVER


Which is like saying that a kid who needs leg braces for mild spastic diplegia can't possibly have cerebral palsy because he's not twitching in a wheelchair.


Sorry to disagree but I agree with the original. Aspergers and Kanners are completely two different animals.
 
2013-01-09 11:31:21 PM

Rockstone: Aspergers never should have been part of the Autism spectrum to begin with. [...] People with Aspergers have social awkwardness, but do not act in the manner of this article, or in the article calbert linked.


That's the entire point of designating it a "spectrum". The effects can range from mild quirkiness to difficulty interacting that can be overcome with practice to insurmountable obstacles. In this it's a bit similar to the hypomania/cyclothymia/bipolar spectrum, where the lower ends can confer some situational benefits (such as artistic or inventive drive) but the more severe are disabling.

Oznog: Both Aspergers AND autism encompass such a wide range of symptoms it seems implausible that they're all the same pathology. Different problems are being conflated and that's never good for advancing understanding and treatment.


The diversity of symptoms is irrelevant. What's important is that even though they seem unrelated, they reliably occur in a cluster (the "autistic triad"), indicating a common cause at some level.

Rockstone: But I do agree that they're not really related. Someone with Aspergers can function normally in society, and in fact, it is well suspected that many of the most intelligent people throughout history had it. However, someone with the extremes of Autism can barely function at all. They're not related.


That's like saying that because an aggressive pancreatic cancer will kill you in a matter of months and prostate cancer is often left untreated because it's such a slow and relatively harmless condition, they're not both cancer. It's a matter of degree. Furthermore, the very lack of any clear line whatsoever between "functioning normally" and "barely function[ing] at all" suggests that it's not an issue like colorblindness that you either have or don't. Cf. Temple Grandin for an eloquent example, and Paul Dirac was almost certainly autistic (in the DSM-IV sense of "autistic disorder").

There's also some research that strongly suggests that the root cause of autistic characteristics is related to serotonin handling, and it appears that poorly regulated serotonin levels may be sufficient to cause the standard autistic cluster without any extra help.
 
2013-01-09 11:37:07 PM

sleeps in trees: common sense is an oxymoron: baddogg: I want to tell you guys a story. I met a guy at 12 years of age diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome. He was extremely odd and would ramble on about things that have no bearing on the subject at hand. Physically normal. I have worked with him for 10 years, with the school system, and now you can chat with him as if there is nothing different about him. An incredible memory for maps, times, date and coordination of the previous. I can ask him a date 10 years before he was born and he can spit out the day of the week before I finish the question or any other event! Amazing!!! His peers love him and I have no doubt he will fit it beautifully, after another year or two.


After 10 years in the same job setting, he's developed a comfort zone and has learned some of the socialmhabits of his coworkers.


Autism = Asperger's NEVER


Which is like saying that a kid who needs leg braces for mild spastic diplegia can't possibly have cerebral palsy because he's not twitching in a wheelchair.

Sorry to disagree but I agree with the original. Aspergers and Kanners are completely two different animals.



How, exactly, other than severity?
 
2013-01-09 11:41:12 PM

chrylis: Rockstone: Aspergers never should have been part of the Autism spectrum to begin with. [...] People with Aspergers have social awkwardness, but do not act in the manner of this article, or in the article calbert linked.

That's the entire point of designating it a "spectrum". The effects can range from mild quirkiness to difficulty interacting that can be overcome with practice to insurmountable obstacles. In this it's a bit similar to the hypomania/cyclothymia/bipolar spectrum, where the lower ends can confer some situational benefits (such as artistic or inventive drive) but the more severe are disabling.

Oznog: Both Aspergers AND autism encompass such a wide range of symptoms it seems implausible that they're all the same pathology. Different problems are being conflated and that's never good for advancing understanding and treatment.

The diversity of symptoms is irrelevant. What's important is that even though they seem unrelated, they reliably occur in a cluster (the "autistic triad"), indicating a common cause at some level.

Rockstone: But I do agree that they're not really related. Someone with Aspergers can function normally in society, and in fact, it is well suspected that many of the most intelligent people throughout history had it. However, someone with the extremes of Autism can barely function at all. They're not related.

That's like saying that because an aggressive pancreatic cancer will kill you in a matter of months and prostate cancer is often left untreated because it's such a slow and relatively harmless condition, they're not both cancer. It's a matter of degree. Furthermore, the very lack of any clear line whatsoever between "functioning normally" and "barely function[ing] at all" suggests that it's not an issue like colorblindness that you either have or don't. Cf. Temple Grandin for an eloquent example, and Paul Dirac was almost certainly autistic (in the DSM-IV sense of "autistic disorder").

There's also some research that strongly suggests that the root cause of autistic characteristics is related to serotonin handling, and it appears that poorly regulated serotonin levels may be sufficient to cause the standard autistic cluster without any extra help.


There a ton of research none is definitive. Chromosome, genetics, mitochondrial, testosterone, paternal age, maternal toxicity and environment. None has shown true promise.

Every study is the holy grail.
 
2013-01-09 11:43:20 PM

common sense is an oxymoron: sleeps in trees: common sense is an oxymoron: baddogg: I want to tell you guys a story. I met a guy at 12 years of age diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome. He was extremely odd and would ramble on about things that have no bearing on the subject at hand. Physically normal. I have worked with him for 10 years, with the school system, and now you can chat with him as if there is nothing different about him. An incredible memory for maps, times, date and coordination of the previous. I can ask him a date 10 years before he was born and he can spit out the day of the week before I finish the question or any other event! Amazing!!! His peers love him and I have no doubt he will fit it beautifully, after another year or two.


After 10 years in the same job setting, he's developed a comfort zone and has learned some of the socialmhabits of his coworkers.


Autism = Asperger's NEVER


Which is like saying that a kid who needs leg braces for mild spastic diplegia can't possibly have cerebral palsy because he's not twitching in a wheelchair.

Sorry to disagree but I agree with the original. Aspergers and Kanners are completely two different animals.


How, exactly, other than severity?


Sorry pup, long answer Ill get back to you. Someone is stimming.
 
2013-01-09 11:47:44 PM

sleeps in trees: This shiat makes me sad. Big farking deal. Explain, offer to pay and the store understands. Get over you self absorbed lives IT IS A GROCERY STORE. I see little spoilt shiats gnawing on unbought Kinder Surprises daily.

When did compassion become a relic.

Compassion died the same day personal responsibility did.

If any of those unsupervised children you see daily ever get hurt due to being unsupervised, will their parent/guardian take responsibility for their inaction, or will they sue the store for not babysitting the brats themselves and warning the parents when they're doing something dangerous?

Since you mention Kinder Surprises, I think it's safe to say that you're not in the US, so you don't live in the middle of a "sue everyone for everything" culture. But the story does take place in the US, so the store really does have to worry about lawsuits regardless of the direction they take. Let the guy get hurt? Get sued for not being a babysitter. Let his sister know that she shouldn't let him run wild? Get targeted for a protest and smeared in the news based on imaginary quotes (and as soon as a lawyer convinces her to do so, sue them for violating the ADA).
 
2013-01-09 11:49:36 PM

sleeps in trees: common sense is an oxymoron: sleeps in trees: common sense is an oxymoron: baddogg: I want to tell you guys a story. I met a guy at 12 years of age diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome. He was extremely odd and would ramble on about things that have no bearing on the subject at hand. Physically normal. I have worked with him for 10 years, with the school system, and now you can chat with him as if there is nothing different about him. An incredible memory for maps, times, date and coordination of the previous. I can ask him a date 10 years before he was born and he can spit out the day of the week before I finish the question or any other event! Amazing!!! His peers love him and I have no doubt he will fit it beautifully, after another year or two.


After 10 years in the same job setting, he's developed a comfort zone and has learned some of the socialmhabits of his coworkers.


Autism = Asperger's NEVER


Which is like saying that a kid who needs leg braces for mild spastic diplegia can't possibly have cerebral palsy because he's not twitching in a wheelchair.

Sorry to disagree but I agree with the original. Aspergers and Kanners are completely two different animals.


How, exactly, other than severity?

Sorry pup, long answer Ill get back to you. Someone is stimming.



Been there, done that. I'll wait.
 
2013-01-09 11:53:01 PM

gonzoduke: Those comments on that stories page make me embarrassed to live in the same city as them. What the hell is wrong with people?


Did you not notice it's a Fox station?
 
2013-01-10 12:23:24 AM

Gyrfalcon: common sense is an oxymoron: randomjsa: The usual crap.

If you know your brother has autism then it is YOUR responsibility to keep extremely close tabs on him and when somebody suggests that you do so the response is not to act indignant and demand sensitivity training.

And no, offering to pay for the item after the fact does not excuse a damn thing.


I know I'm responding to a random threadshiatter, but:

However, the spokeswoman also said Michael had eaten from the hot food bar before, and the store had always been understanding.

How was he, or his guardian, supposed to know that what was previously accepted behavior had suddenly become unacceptable?

Estoppel FT(legal)W.

I missed that. Looks like the store could be SOL on this one. Either that, or they forgot to tell the security guard to be a little more sensitive (which is a problem in itself). You don't get to change the rules on ANYBODY midstream and expect you'll be in the right, folks.


I seriously hope you're joking/trolling.

The store people had been nice in the past, so it's fine for him to keep eating whatever he wants without paying. You also have to know he ruined a bunch of food by grabbing the food with his bare hands.

Good for the security guard for finally putting a stop to this nonsense. His family needs to do a better job watching him if they insist on taking him out in public.
 
2013-01-10 12:29:01 AM

Big_Doofus: Gyrfalcon: common sense is an oxymoron: randomjsa: The usual crap.

If you know your brother has autism then it is YOUR responsibility to keep extremely close tabs on him and when somebody suggests that you do so the response is not to act indignant and demand sensitivity training.

And no, offering to pay for the item after the fact does not excuse a damn thing.


I know I'm responding to a random threadshiatter, but:

However, the spokeswoman also said Michael had eaten from the hot food bar before, and the store had always been understanding.

How was he, or his guardian, supposed to know that what was previously accepted behavior had suddenly become unacceptable?

Estoppel FT(legal)W.

I missed that. Looks like the store could be SOL on this one. Either that, or they forgot to tell the security guard to be a little more sensitive (which is a problem in itself). You don't get to change the rules on ANYBODY midstream and expect you'll be in the right, folks.

I seriously hope you're joking/trolling.

The store people had been nice in the past, so it's fine for him to keep eating whatever he wants without paying. You also have to know he ruined a bunch of food by grabbing the food with his bare hands.

Good for the security guard for finally putting a stop to this nonsense. His family needs to do a better job watching him if they insist on taking him out in public.



No joke.

estoppel

n. a bar or impediment (obstruction) which precludes a person from asserting a fact or a right or prevents one from denying a fact. Such a hindrance is due to a person's actions, conduct, statements, admissions, failure to act or judgment against the person in an identical legal case.
 
2013-01-10 01:22:32 AM

Big_Doofus: Gyrfalcon: common sense is an oxymoron: randomjsa: The usual crap.

If you know your brother has autism then it is YOUR responsibility to keep extremely close tabs on him and when somebody suggests that you do so the response is not to act indignant and demand sensitivity training.

And no, offering to pay for the item after the fact does not excuse a damn thing.


I know I'm responding to a random threadshiatter, but:

However, the spokeswoman also said Michael had eaten from the hot food bar before, and the store had always been understanding.

How was he, or his guardian, supposed to know that what was previously accepted behavior had suddenly become unacceptable?

Estoppel FT(legal)W.

I missed that. Looks like the store could be SOL on this one. Either that, or they forgot to tell the security guard to be a little more sensitive (which is a problem in itself). You don't get to change the rules on ANYBODY midstream and expect you'll be in the right, folks.

I seriously hope you're joking/trolling......

 Me, too. How were they supposed to know? Uhhhhh...Because this isn't acceptable behavior for anyone in any public place anywhere?
 
2013-01-10 01:36:42 AM

pineapplesherbet: Big_Doofus: Gyrfalcon: common sense is an oxymoron: randomjsa: The usual crap.

If you know your brother has autism then it is YOUR responsibility to keep extremely close tabs on him and when somebody suggests that you do so the response is not to act indignant and demand sensitivity training.

And no, offering to pay for the item after the fact does not excuse a damn thing.


I know I'm responding to a random threadshiatter, but:

However, the spokeswoman also said Michael had eaten from the hot food bar before, and the store had always been understanding.

How was he, or his guardian, supposed to know that what was previously accepted behavior had suddenly become unacceptable?

Estoppel FT(legal)W.

I missed that. Looks like the store could be SOL on this one. Either that, or they forgot to tell the security guard to be a little more sensitive (which is a problem in itself). You don't get to change the rules on ANYBODY midstream and expect you'll be in the right, folks.

I seriously hope you're joking/trolling......

 Me, too. How were they supposed to know? Uhhhhh...Because this isn't acceptable behavior for anyone in any public place anywhere?



Except that he did the same thing in the past with the store's approval. The store would have been within their rights to chastise, ban, or even prosecute him the first time it happened. After store personnel established the precedent that it was okay, however, they were legally obligated not to arbitrarily change their minds.
 
2013-01-10 01:45:53 AM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: atomicmask: Tard walks in and starts stuffing his face with food while at the hot bar

People tell him to stop and that she needs to watch her little burden closer

She gets outraged

What a backward society we have, when we let assholes like this woman drag her autistic brother into a store to run wild and slober over food, and yet we punish the people who try to keep him from doing so.

i agree, what if he had stuck his hand in a hot pot of chai tea latte or something. even though 1) the sister should be the responsible party 2) it would still be considered stealing, they would try to sue


Or what if he had to enter his PIN number at the ATM machine so he could get $5 dollars to pay for his chai tea? Huh? How about that??
 
2013-01-10 02:07:49 AM

Sillygoth: I understand that when nature or god chooses to "gift" you with a "special" sort of person, it comes with a series of difficulties above and beyond that of normal parent/siblinghood.

People who choose to be involved in your life need to be understanding about these things. Hell, it's even reasonable to ask neighbors to cut you a little slack, or for your employer to maybe be a little accomodating for certain things. (Such as extra visits to the doctor/ meetings with special school folks/ whatever.)

However, for you to ASSUME that your little burden can run all over the face of the earth, behaving in ways that are socially unacceptable while you either smile indulgently (HE'S EXPRESSING HIMSELF THE ONLY WAY HE KNOWS HOW!) or become offended when people don't care to accomodate your little burden without warning..that's just straight up assholish.

This goes triply for those of you with a burden who "looks normal" (for lack of a better term). If I see some guy who looks 25 running around a bookstore and tossing books off the shelves while babbling, I'm not going to immediately say "Oh, he must be autistic." My assumption is that he's on drugs, or trying to be funny in some hipster sort of way.

You want people to treat you and your kid with dignity, teach your kid to behave with dignity. Even an autistic kid knows right from wrong, if you made the effort to teach him.


The problem is that Autism seems to cover everything and that seems to include what would have been categorised in the past as mentally retarded. They need to narrow autism and actually call the people who are mentally retarded as such. This man at 26 who is unable to communicate and acts in a manner that you would expect from a 2 year old is retarded.
 
2013-01-10 02:10:17 AM

Guest: Sillygoth: I understand that when nature or god chooses to "gift" you with a "special" sort of person, it comes with a series of difficulties above and beyond that of normal parent/siblinghood.

People who choose to be involved in your life need to be understanding about these things. Hell, it's even reasonable to ask neighbors to cut you a little slack, or for your employer to maybe be a little accomodating for certain things. (Such as extra visits to the doctor/ meetings with special school folks/ whatever.)

However, for you to ASSUME that your little burden can run all over the face of the earth, behaving in ways that are socially unacceptable while you either smile indulgently (HE'S EXPRESSING HIMSELF THE ONLY WAY HE KNOWS HOW!) or become offended when people don't care to accomodate your little burden without warning..that's just straight up assholish.

This goes triply for those of you with a burden who "looks normal" (for lack of a better term). If I see some guy who looks 25 running around a bookstore and tossing books off the shelves while babbling, I'm not going to immediately say "Oh, he must be autistic." My assumption is that he's on drugs, or trying to be funny in some hipster sort of way.

You want people to treat you and your kid with dignity, teach your kid to behave with dignity. Even an autistic kid knows right from wrong, if you made the effort to teach him.

The problem is that Autism seems to cover everything and that seems to include what would have been categorised in the past as mentally retarded. They need to narrow autism and actually call the people who are mentally retarded as such. This man at 26 who is unable to communicate and acts in a manner that you would expect from a 2 year old is retarded.



The two aren't mutually exclusive.
 
2013-01-10 02:40:47 AM

Raoul Eaton: As someone close to a person on the autism spectrum, I find Fark autism threads to be a good source of practice for maintaining self-control when presented with unbelievable levels of stupidity. Also, they're a good place to give my "ignore" button a good workout.


i'm sure fark is getting to be a lonely place for you.

and might i add. seems to me like people are getting too offended easily. Guard tells autistic kid to stop eating food at the grocery store and now people at whole foods get sensitivity training. if it had been me eating food off the hot bar i would have been tazed, pepper sprayed, hauled off to jail and the people at whole foods would have laughed at me.

the lady should be thankful he was given preferential treatment.
 
2013-01-10 03:42:56 AM
PsiChick:
"/If you have a disability or are different somehow, people will be an asshole to you."

To be honest, I work with disabled people and very very rarely see anyone being rude to them.

On the contrary, people go out of their way to help, and generally excuse rude or inappropriate behavior, whether the person is developmentally or physically disabled.

Now, kids can be jerks and bullies at school, but that's an entirely different thing.

Also, why is the guy in tfa a "patient"?
 
2013-01-10 07:36:47 AM
Security guard was rude.

Not as rude as some guy grabbing food from the hot bar and eating without paying (which is also illegal).
 
2013-01-10 07:40:07 AM

StoPPeRmobile: atomicmask: Tard walks in and starts stuffing his face with food while at the hot bar

People tell him to stop and that she needs to watch her little burden closer

She gets outraged

What a backward society we have, when we let assholes like this woman drag her autistic brother into a store to run wild and slober over food, and yet we punish the people who try to keep him from doing so.

Why don't people treat, the grocery store with hot food, like a restaurant? We pay after we eat at a restaurant.

Why can't they put a farking cash register over there if it's such a problem?

fark them.


Uh, I'm familiar with that store and they DO have a separate register near by for the food area. That STILL does not excuse the airhead sister from not watching her brother properly when he decided to "help him self" and start eating right off the food bar. There IS such a thing as acceptable behavior in public places and obviously this guy needs to be restrained since he cannot be trained to adhere to rules properly.
 
2013-01-10 02:14:10 PM
I see nothing wrong with saying "you don't have to put him on a leash, but you have to watch him" when it is an ongoing problem of him not only stealing the food, but potentially contaminating the food by grabbing it.  If it's a problem the store is aware of, and I assume the sister is also aware of, then maybe she should do something about it. Like not bring him to the store, or if she does, at least keep a close eye on him so he can't go and eat from the bar while he's in the store.

Of course, this is one of the reasons I hate self-serve food. I won't buy the pickles or olives at Fairway for that reason as well. They look great, but I am sure people grab them and snack on them or don't take proper sanitary measures when self-serving.

Anyway, the real thing that sucks is the guard who resigned and now needs a new job, and all the people who have to go through some bullshiat training because one lady was offended that someone said something to her special brother when she should have been responsible for him in the first place.
 
2013-01-10 02:23:01 PM

common sense is an oxymoron: Except that he did the same thing in the past with the store's approval. The store would have been within their rights to chastise, ban, or even prosecute him the first time it happened. After store personnel established the precedent that it was okay, however, they were legally obligated not to arbitrarily change their minds.


Being "understanding" isn't the same as giving approval.  They were nice and gave the family a break because of his mental illness and let it go, but they didn't say "have at it every time you come".  The words aren't the same. The family was outraged that  guard who was from an outside company and was likely not aware of the situation wasn't as understanding as other guards/employees have been in the past.

BIG difference between saying "okay, we understand the situation and won't make as big of a deal out of this as we normally would given the circumstances of his health" and "okay, we understand, so let him do whatever he wants in the store and have all the free hot food he wants forever!"  Understanding isn't direct or implied permission to keep doing the same thing.
 
2013-01-10 03:05:44 PM

serpent_sky: common sense is an oxymoron: Except that he did the same thing in the past with the store's approval. The store would have been within their rights to chastise, ban, or even prosecute him the first time it happened. After store personnel established the precedent that it was okay, however, they were legally obligated not to arbitrarily change their minds.

Being "understanding" isn't the same as giving approval.  They were nice and gave the family a break because of his mental illness and let it go, but they didn't say "have at it every time you come".  The words aren't the same. The family was outraged that  guard who was from an outside company and was likely not aware of the situation wasn't as understanding as other guards/employees have been in the past.

BIG difference between saying "okay, we understand the situation and won't make as big of a deal out of this as we normally would given the circumstances of his health" and "okay, we understand, so let him do whatever he wants in the store and have all the free hot food he wants forever!"  Understanding isn't direct or implied permission to keep doing the same thing.



The store's previous understanding was more than a one-time event. Whether the family's behavior was appropriate or not (and I agree that it was not), the store set a precedent, which makes them legally obligated not to arbitrarily reverse their decision. As I stated upthread, if the store had said "no" at the outset, the family would have no grounds for complaint. If the store had even posted a sign to the effect that such behavior was no longer permitted under any circumstances, they would have the law on their side.

Repeated "understanding" and indulgence of the behavior does indeed, legally, establish implied permission, whether you agree with the concept of estoppel or not.
 
2013-01-10 03:35:24 PM

common sense is an oxymoron: Repeated "understanding" and indulgence of the behavior does indeed, legally, establish implied permission, whether you agree with the concept of estoppel or not.


That depends on what the store had said in the past. Did they encourage him? Did they choose to look the other way? Were they legitimately unaware?

Keep in mind that the sister has already mangled the "leash" quote just to make her story sound better. Isn't it possible that the "understanding" was really just the employees not noticing the severity or frequency of what he was doing?
 
2013-01-10 03:53:36 PM

the ha ha guy: Keep in mind that the sister has already mangled the "leash" quote just to make her story sound better. Isn't it possible that the "understanding" was really just the employees not noticing the severity or frequency of what he was doing?


That's my thought. There is a world of difference between "put him on a leash" and "I'm not saying he has to be on a leash."   The latter is actually the guard saying "I am not making a ridiculous demand here, but come on, be reasonable like I am being with you." The former is offensive, but not what was said, so it's moot.

Kind of like someone may have seen him eating off the bar and said to the sister, "I understand the situation, but let's not have it happen again." And someone else, unaware of the first person maybe didn't make a big deal out of it as well.   Lots of people work in stores, they don't all work the same shiats, communicate about things like this, so forth and so on. There is no way anyone in the store ever said "It's totally cool if he eats out of the hot food bar, we understand, he's mentally ill and therefore, we are okay with it."   They may have been lenient and the woman decided that meant they were okay with it, but what store is okay with anyone grabbing free food any time they come in?
 
2013-01-11 12:16:59 PM
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2013-01-11 12:30:25 PM

serpent_sky: the ha ha guy: Keep in mind that the sister has already mangled the "leash" quote just to make her story sound better. Isn't it possible that the "understanding" was really just the employees not noticing the severity or frequency of what he was doing?

That's my thought. There is a world of difference between "put him on a leash" and "I'm not saying he has to be on a leash."   The latter is actually the guard saying "I am not making a ridiculous demand here, but come on, be reasonable like I am being with you." The former is offensive, but not what was said, so it's moot.

Kind of like someone may have seen him eating off the bar and said to the sister, "I understand the situation, but let's not have it happen again." And someone else, unaware of the first person maybe didn't make a big deal out of it as well.   Lots of people work in stores, they don't all work the same shiats, communicate about things like this, so forth and so on. There is no way anyone in the store ever said "It's totally cool if he eats out of the hot food bar, we understand, he's mentally ill and therefore, we are okay with it."   They may have been lenient and the woman decided that meant they were okay with it, but what store is okay with anyone grabbing free food any time they come in?


i'm pretty sure it's illegal (or at least against store policy) to grab food with your hands out of any buffet with hot food, due to germ contamination. that's aside from them losing money. whole foods charges by weight, you can't eat it til you pay, but the amount of money they would lose is surely negligible to them, the contamination is probably the bigger issue. at least it would be to me! i can't stand parents who let their little kids run their hands through buffet food.

the estoppel legal issue, if true, sounds like an incredibly stupid interpretation of that law, at least in this case. ironic that the one insisting it would apply is named "common sense is an oxymoron". but who would bring this to court? the issue is the court of public opinion.

this chick is playing the victim due to disability, and it's not even her who's the disabled one.
 
2013-01-11 03:01:42 PM

o'really: the estoppel legal issue, if true, sounds like an incredibly stupid interpretation of that law, at least in this case. ironic that the one insisting it would apply is named "common sense is an oxymoron". but who would bring this to court? the issue is the court of public opinion.



So rule of the mob > rule of law?

And thanks for not reading the posts where I stated that if the store had denied them the first time, there wouldn't have been a second time, or a third, or however many times this happened to establish the precedent that the store knew about this behavior and did nothing to stop it.
 
2013-01-11 03:18:00 PM

common sense is an oxymoron: o'really: the estoppel legal issue, if true, sounds like an incredibly stupid interpretation of that law, at least in this case. ironic that the one insisting it would apply is named "common sense is an oxymoron". but who would bring this to court? the issue is the court of public opinion.


So rule of the mob > rule of law?

And thanks for not reading the posts where I stated that if the store had denied them the first time, there wouldn't have been a second time, or a third, or however many times this happened to establish the precedent that the store knew about this behavior and did nothing to stop it.


oh dear, you really do identify with your log-in name.

the issue as i stated it is that the technical laws are not important. no one would prosecute or sue. the issue is public perception, and the store's need to show that they are taking the complaint seriously now, if not in the past.

mob rule? haha. please tell me you are not a lawyer.

i did read your posts, thanks.
 
2013-01-12 04:16:43 AM

common sense is an oxymoron: And thanks for not reading the posts where I stated that if the store had denied them the first time, there wouldn't have been a second time, or a third, or however many times this happened to establish the precedent that the store knew about this behavior and did nothing to stop it.


This guy's sister already falsified the "leash" quote just to get a spot in the media. Is it not at least theoretically possible that she's misinterpreting "I'm not going to ban you from the store, but don't do it again" as meaning "please feel free to come in any time you want and let us babysit your brother for you as he ruins hundreds of dollars of food"?
 
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