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(The Daily Caller)   The First Amendment doesn't protect Piers Morgan from deportation, but it does protect him from finding a real job   (dailycaller.com) divider line 28
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2013-01-09 06:10:08 PM  
6 votes:
When we get rid of the 2nd amendment we can work on repealing those pesky 1st and 4th ones.
2013-01-09 04:45:08 PM  
6 votes:
White House press secretary Jay Carney issued a factually incorrect response Wednesday to the White House petition to deport British-born CNN host Piers Morgan, wrongly claiming that Morgan, who has launched repeated televised attacks on the Second Amendment, is protected from deportation by the First Amendment.

"Let's not let arguments over the Constitution's Second Amendment violate the spirit of its First," Carney wrote in response to the petition, which has collected more than 100,000 signatures from patriotic Americans.


While the First Amendment may not, as a technical legal matter, prohibit the Federal Government from deporting a foreign journalist based on the journalist's views, the spirit of the First Amendment certainly weighs against such a deportation.  Nothing "factually incorrect" about Carney's response.
2013-01-09 05:32:21 PM  
4 votes:

GAT_00: For people who celebrate your right to say whatever you want, Republicans seem quite intent on making sure Piers Morgan is denied any ability to speak to the American people.


They only recognize that particular right when the speaker is saying something they agree with.
2013-01-09 06:48:20 PM  
3 votes:
Big macho gun guys want the bad man to go away?

Man up, pussies.
2013-01-09 05:40:21 PM  
3 votes:
I love listening to British people weigh in on our Constitution.  I wonder how he feels about the Declaration of Independence?
2013-01-09 09:11:58 PM  
2 votes:

IBelieveYouHaveMyStapler: While Alex Jones is kind of a kook he had a lot of points that someone should have brought up to Piers a long time ago. Mexico is a gun free country and they have 50-60 thousand deaths a year from guns. Every day Piers goes to work he passes a security desk. Doesn't he wonder what that big gun looking thing is on their hip?


Kind of? Alex Jones conspiracy theories:

1. 9/11 was an inside job.
2.. Obama is putting female hormones in the water supply to make children gay.
3. Sandy Hook might've been a hoax.
2013-01-09 07:35:07 PM  
2 votes:
I think the actual point is that Piers Morgan saying things or having an opinion that people dislike is not, by itself, grounds to have him deported.
2013-01-09 07:34:55 PM  
2 votes:
The white house's comments on the issue didn't say the 1st amendment protected him from anything, it said that freedom of speech and the press are pretty damn important to this country.

To those 100k+ people who signed this petition, stop trying to get someone you disagree with thrown out of the country you fascists.

For a bunch of people who distrust the government so much, I fail to understand why they need the govt to solve a problem they could solve themselves by simply turning the channel. But the hate takes over I guess.
2013-01-09 06:47:07 PM  
2 votes:

edmo: Laws are derived from the Constitution and they apply to all within the country , citizen or not. Why do people believe the rights within do not also apply? Of course they do.


Like the right to vote?
2013-01-09 05:03:10 PM  
2 votes:
For people who celebrate your right to say whatever you want, Republicans seem quite intent on making sure Piers Morgan is denied any ability to speak to the American people.
2013-01-09 11:37:58 PM  
1 votes:

PhilosopherFLX: You know who else spoke with a funny British accent and held freedom of speech as a highest ideal?
[www.whitehouse.gov image 452x255]


He also held the Second Amendment in as high esteem as the First.

/it's not an a la carte menu people
2013-01-09 10:27:23 PM  
1 votes:

Agatha Crispy: Funny how a Rupert Murdoch disciple is so completely embraced by the same Farkers who biatch about Fox.


I don't see any real evidence that Morgan is being embraced by Farkers who biatch about Fox News. We're just supporting his right to say what he wants without governmental interference. Governmental interference is exactly what these petitioners are asking for.

Before the kerfuffle I was peripherally aware that there was a talking head named Piers Morgan. But that's about all I knew. I really don't care enough about pundits to keep track of who's who.

Now I'm aware that there is a talking head named Piers Morgan who works at CNN who said something about gun violence. Also some of the people who claim they want less government intrusion are asking for the government to become more intrusive because of something someone said.

I still don't know much of anything about Morgan, but I will speak up in defense of his right to say what he thinks.
2013-01-09 09:23:46 PM  
1 votes:
For those folks who wish to believe not being a US citizen denies you constitutional protections once you have been given permission to enter the country, please refer to the ever popular 14th amendment.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

So even if he is a limey who was given permission to visit, he's on US Soil with US Laws. I know republicans have issues with the 14th since it keeps them from doing things to people because they are brown or a woman or what ever their hate fixation for the week is.

Want to prove how bad ass America is? Look at the mouthy limey, exercise your 1st ammendment rights, and go "meh, you nanny state folks forgot how to be responsible..." and go about your life as if he didn't matter.

Why? Because he doesn't... non citizen, can't vote, can't change the outcome of an election unless you let him persuade you to vote differently.  Oh, and to all of the vet's who are crying for his blood, remember you put you hand on the book and swore
"...To uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America..." and this included all of the Amendments even the less popular ones or the less poplar people. You are the thin line that insure the many do not oppress the few for what is popular may not be what is right.

//Is the flag hanging at the right height behind me with he eagle flying?
2013-01-09 08:16:02 PM  
1 votes:
THAT CASE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CURRENT SITUATION!

There is a huge difference between entry and deportation. A potential alien can be denied entry at any time for any reason. There is no due process.

Once an alien has gained entry and remains in the United States, that alien DOES have some due process. I can't tell you whether he still has full first amendment protections, but that's not at issue here. What is at issue is that they have used a completely inapposite case.

I will say this: If Piers Morgan leaves the country and tries to enter again, he could be excluded from entry for what he has said. He better not take a vacation to Britain any time soon.
2013-01-09 07:46:20 PM  
1 votes:
The Bill of Rights applies to anyone on United States soil, yea?
2013-01-09 07:46:14 PM  
1 votes:

tyrajam: American laws apply to Americans


This isn't about laws, this is about the Constitution. The Constitution does not apply to Americans, it applies to the government. This is a critical distinction. The Constitution, since it applies specifically to the gov't, affects anybody who is subject to the jurisdiction of the gov't. Citizen, non-citizen, whatever, it matters not at all.
2013-01-09 07:43:01 PM  
1 votes:
Every gang banger up from Juarez can run around shooting up East LA without a concern they could get deported back to Old Mexico. Meanwhile some Brit who likes to shoot off nothing more than his mouth has the entirety of the gun toting moron public demand he be deported. Which of these is the greater danger to American society? You can't write shiat like this up.
2013-01-09 07:35:09 PM  
1 votes:

Mean Daddy: Amazing how many First Amendment advocates are out there, but few Second Amendment ones. Have you ever thought who would ensure the First Amendment rights if there were no guns? Oh that's right Harry Belafonte. It's only for hunting, not to protect us from an overly intrusive gubmint.


While the idea was protection from an intrusive government, that approach really no longer applies. The American military is so ridiculously advanced that Billy and Frank's rifle collection isn't going to protect them from anything. The only would be that troops would refuse to turn on their fellow countrymen, but even then you only need skeleton crew to take down even thousands of revolting citizens. When the law was written, the competition was basically fair between the soldier and the citizen, except perhaps for being outnumbered.

Now personal protection from intruders, wildlife, etc still makes sense. But don't point to gun rights as being necessary to a free state in 2013. The fed will simply drone strike your ass while drinking the morning coffee. Then they'll send a tank just to be sure. Conservatives are the ones always clamoring for a huge, bloated military, so they shouldn't be surprised at the results if they ever tried to take it on.

Also, your remark about there being a dearth of 2nd Amendment advocates is without a doubt the most asstarded thing I've read here today.
2013-01-09 07:15:52 PM  
1 votes:
The First Amendment doesn't protect him if he commits a crime, even if he uses speech to do it, but as far as I'm aware he hasn't done anything illegal. I have no kind words for the man's opinions and motives, but while he is wrong, he hasn't done wrong. Ergo, no grounds for deportation.
2013-01-09 07:14:19 PM  
1 votes:
Yeah, no. There's a huge chasm between saying the First Amendment requires the government to do something optional, such as letting an alien enter the country, vs. saying that it prevents the government from taking action against someone who's here.

If Morgan has permanent status, nothing he says that any American could say can get him kicked out. If he doesn't have permanent status, he's good till his visa expires. Then, well...
2013-01-09 07:07:13 PM  
1 votes:
Also, if Piers Morgan has a green card, which he probably does if he's working in the US, that ruling doesn't affect him. He has as much legal right to live in the United States as a citizen, the only difference being that that can be taken away in the event that he commits certain types of crime or leaves the country for a long period of time.

The ruling only applies to applications for entry, not people who already have permanent resident status.

/side note: I learned something I didn't know looking that up. Must notify USCIS of change of address within 10 days of moving. That... could be kind of useful to know for me. Yikes.
2013-01-09 07:00:29 PM  
1 votes:
"I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it now SHUT UP and GTFO!"
2013-01-09 06:57:10 PM  
1 votes:
This coming from the people who holler about being "silenced" by the media?
2013-01-09 06:53:03 PM  
1 votes:
I think we can all agree that not letting someone into a country for their views is different to punishing someone inside the country for holding specific views.

2 wholly different situations
2013-01-09 06:50:35 PM  
1 votes:
The cited court case refers to some being denied entry on a temporary non-immigrant visa

Does this apply to somebody already living within the country on a permanent basis? Presumably, Piers Morgan has a permanent immigrant status.
2013-01-09 06:50:29 PM  
1 votes:
Comically missing the point.

The point is to remind people that free speech is as much part of this countries' culture as 'free guns'. In fact, they even point out "SPIRIT OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT", not "Constitutional interpretation of it".

Idiots write article, idiot wrote headline, idiot approved it. Idiocy all around.
2013-01-09 06:50:26 PM  
1 votes:
So this deportation thing is real, not a joke?

Republicans are stupider than I thought.
2013-01-09 06:17:30 PM  
1 votes:

OtherLittleGuy: But I thought the First Amendment doesn't protect you from consequences.

Didn't he do all this on his company's time?


Having your ratings drop is one thing, being threatened with deportation is entirely something else. But you already knew that

He's paid to offer opinions on newsworthy events. But you already knew that as well
 
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