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(The Daily Caller)   The First Amendment doesn't protect Piers Morgan from deportation, but it does protect him from finding a real job   (dailycaller.com) divider line 176
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2013-01-09 08:44:29 PM  

tyrajam: 1. American laws apply to Americans
2. Of course he's not going to be deported, it was a stupid publicity stunt.


No. American laws apply to Americans and people in the USA. Americans can get in trouble for laws broken overseas, but they also apply equally to everyone in the country.
 
2013-01-09 08:47:53 PM  

This text is now purple: BSABSVR: OtherLittleGuy: But I thought the First Amendment doesn't protect you from consequences.

Didn't he do all this on his company's time?

The law that the cite blocked a journalist from being allowed in the country. Which (while despicable) is not the same as deportation. Thia argument that Morgan can be deported is based more on truthiness than anything else as far as I can see.

Kleindienst v. Mandel should still apply.

"In the exercise of Congress' plenary power to exclude aliens or prescribe the conditions for their entry into this country, Congress in 212 (a) (28) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 has delegated conditional exercise of this power to the Executive Branch. When the Attorney General decides for a legitimate and bona fide reason not to waive the statutory exclusion of an alien, courts will not look behind his decision or weigh it against the First Amendment interests of those who would personally communicate with the alien."

As an alien, Morgan can be excluded (deported) for acts of subversion. Arguably, advocating for abrogation of the Constitution is a subversive act.


Arguable at a stretch maybe. He however explicitly mentioned his support for the 2nd amendment but objected to the popular interpretation of it.
 
2013-01-09 08:48:02 PM  

Mike_1962: Wangiss: edmo: Laws are derived from the Constitution and they apply to all within the country , citizen or not. Why do people believe the rights within do not also apply? Of course they do.

Like the right to vote?

Yep, if you are eligible. What is your point?


My point is that "all within the country" are not eligible for all constitutional rights.
 
2013-01-09 08:48:49 PM  
Ah yes, another bunch of neandrethal wingnuts who can't grasp the concept of turning the channel if they don't like what they're watching.
 
2013-01-09 08:50:22 PM  

Wangiss: Indubitably: Wangiss: HellRaisingHoosier: The Bill of Rights applies to anyone on United States soil, yea?

Like invading armies?
"You're under arrest!"

P.S. Your song in the other thread set to "Isn't It Ironic?" needed serious work, man. Did you just shoot that out of yer ass?

I'm not the author.


And, Who is?
 
2013-01-09 08:50:57 PM  

Wardrobe_Malfunction: Ah yes, another bunch of neandrethal wingnuts who can't grasp the concept of turning the channel if they don't like what they're watching.

To wingnut

 
2013-01-09 08:53:43 PM  

Wangiss: HellRaisingHoosier: The Bill of Rights applies to anyone on United States soil, yea?

Like invading armies?
"You're under arrest!"


Wow. That's a stretch...
 
2013-01-09 08:59:16 PM  
Today I finally watched the segment where Jones and Morgan went at it.

What a hoot!

Morgan kept asking Jones if he knew how many murders had been committed WITH GUNS in the UK in 2011 - flustering Jones.

Of course Jones' proper response would have been to ask Morgan how many murders had been committed WITH GUNS in United States PRISONS in 2011.

Too slow.
 
2013-01-09 09:00:58 PM  
Denying a visa isn't the same is deporting someone who already has one, without any legal justification.

I don't know what kind of powers the executive has to deport people who haven't broken any laws, but going after one guy like that sounds like a bill of attainder.
 
2013-01-09 09:03:55 PM  

chumboobler: Mike_1962: chumboobler: ITGreen: I love listening to British people weigh in on our Constitution.  I wonder how he feels about the Declaration of Independence?

I'm sure the Brits are long over it. It was a few hundred years ago. My ex wife can hold a grudge like no one I've ever seen but a few hundred years is beyond even her capacity. Americans are no longer the upstart bootstrappy folks they envision themselves to be for the most part. There is entrepreneurial spirit all over the globe. It is not a uniquely American trait as some believe.

People have opinions. Americans hold the right to free speech as sacred from what I can tell. If I look at some of the supporting documents surrounding your independence a phrase comes to mind and that is "all men are created equal". It does not say American men. It says all. No country specified.

Yeah, well, they pretty much turffed that concept. See, despite the almost godlike reverence they have for some of their founding fathers, the declaration doesn't have force of law.

No it does not have the force of law. It does however, capture the spirit of things. If you adamantly revere the founding fathers thoughts within the constitution then you must respect their other work as well. It may not have binding effects like the constitution but these infallible gentlemen must be given their due. Not every American but all men. And that must mean that all men, if created equally, as the founding fathers say they are, can expect the protection that the constitution affords. This includes brits working in the USA. Free speech is not a sometimes thing. It is a right for all regardless of nation. Even if their own nations don't recognize it. If you do not believe that then you believe that governments can decide arbitrarily what we may view as a right.


Infallible gentlemen? With all due respect (and the respect due is tremendous) they were not infallible and I suspect would be horrified to be so considered.
 
2013-01-09 09:04:49 PM  
Question: If we abandon the Second, how should we expect to defend any other "right" that we may pretend to have?

Strongly worded letters?

Or have we already surrendered to the idea that we are subject to the whim of whoever happens to be in power, and reduced to praying to the invisible almighty that they don't treat us too badly?
 
2013-01-09 09:09:23 PM  

Amos Quito: Today I finally watched the segment where Jones and Morgan went at it.

What a hoot!

Morgan kept asking Jones if he knew how many murders had been committed WITH GUNS in the UK in 2011 - flustering Jones.

Of course Jones' proper response would have been to ask Morgan how many murders had been committed WITH GUNS in United States PRISONS in 2011.

Too slow.


No doubt that figure would show that there's not much gun violence in places where only law enforcement is allowed to have guns, but I'm not sure that would've been helpful to Jones' argument.
 
2013-01-09 09:11:58 PM  

IBelieveYouHaveMyStapler: While Alex Jones is kind of a kook he had a lot of points that someone should have brought up to Piers a long time ago. Mexico is a gun free country and they have 50-60 thousand deaths a year from guns. Every day Piers goes to work he passes a security desk. Doesn't he wonder what that big gun looking thing is on their hip?


Kind of? Alex Jones conspiracy theories:

1. 9/11 was an inside job.
2.. Obama is putting female hormones in the water supply to make children gay.
3. Sandy Hook might've been a hoax.
 
2013-01-09 09:13:23 PM  

Mike_1962: Wangiss: HellRaisingHoosier: The Bill of Rights applies to anyone on United States soil, yea?

Like invading armies?
"You're under arrest!"

Wow. That's a stretch...


Stretching is good for the circulation.
 
2013-01-09 09:13:29 PM  

Amos Quito: Today I finally watched the segment where Jones and Morgan went at it.

What a hoot!

Morgan kept asking Jones if he knew how many murders had been committed WITH GUNS in the UK in 2011 - flustering Jones.

Of course Jones' proper response would have been to ask Morgan how many murders had been committed WITH GUNS in United States PRISONS in 2011.

Too slow.


Really, they both need to be deported. I don't care where. Actually I do, somewhere they cant get on my TV. And I even agree with Jones about some things.

btw, alternately, he could have asked Morgan how many murders were committed in the UK before and after their gun ban, and if it had any effect on the crime rate.
 
2013-01-09 09:13:41 PM  

wildcardjack: Of course... He stole a job from a hard working American journalist, it should have gone to a Peter Jennings type.

Okay, I don't know anymore journalists.


Peter Jennings being Canadian. And dead.
 
2013-01-09 09:14:07 PM  

Indubitably: Wangiss: Indubitably: Wangiss: HellRaisingHoosier: The Bill of Rights applies to anyone on United States soil, yea?

Like invading armies?
"You're under arrest!"

P.S. Your song in the other thread set to "Isn't It Ironic?" needed serious work, man. Did you just shoot that out of yer ass?

I'm not the author.

And, Who is?


It was somewhere near the by line, I think.
 
2013-01-09 09:23:46 PM  
For those folks who wish to believe not being a US citizen denies you constitutional protections once you have been given permission to enter the country, please refer to the ever popular 14th amendment.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

So even if he is a limey who was given permission to visit, he's on US Soil with US Laws. I know republicans have issues with the 14th since it keeps them from doing things to people because they are brown or a woman or what ever their hate fixation for the week is.

Want to prove how bad ass America is? Look at the mouthy limey, exercise your 1st ammendment rights, and go "meh, you nanny state folks forgot how to be responsible..." and go about your life as if he didn't matter.

Why? Because he doesn't... non citizen, can't vote, can't change the outcome of an election unless you let him persuade you to vote differently.  Oh, and to all of the vet's who are crying for his blood, remember you put you hand on the book and swore
"...To uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America..." and this included all of the Amendments even the less popular ones or the less poplar people. You are the thin line that insure the many do not oppress the few for what is popular may not be what is right.

//Is the flag hanging at the right height behind me with he eagle flying?
 
2013-01-09 09:26:55 PM  
You might want to read that part again.
 
2013-01-09 09:33:27 PM  
Alex Jones: Bloomberg's undercover cops are trying to assassinate me because I debated Piers Morgan

Link
 
2013-01-09 09:34:25 PM  

Mike_1962: ITGreen: I love listening to British people weigh in on our Constitution.  I wonder how he feels about the Declaration of Independence?

Guess that your constitution doesn't hold up to outside scrutiny...


If it holds up to centuries of bickering and infighting like this shiat, it can hold up just fine to anything some foreigner can throw at it.
 
2013-01-09 09:36:39 PM  

Wangiss: Indubitably: Wangiss: Indubitably: Wangiss: HellRaisingHoosier: The Bill of Rights applies to anyone on United States soil, yea?

Like invading armies?
"You're under arrest!"

P.S. Your song in the other thread set to "Isn't It Ironic?" needed serious work, man. Did you just shoot that out of yer ass?

I'm not the author.

And, Who is?

It was somewhere near the by line, I think.


Your line?
 
2013-01-09 09:39:38 PM  

OscarTamerz: The Brits have no problem dealing with people who say things they don't like.

[www.playscripts.com image 250x363]


Tommy Smothers is from England?
 
2013-01-09 09:40:51 PM  

Indubitably: Wangiss: Indubitably: Wangiss: Indubitably: Wangiss: HellRaisingHoosier: The Bill of Rights applies to anyone on United States soil, yea?

Like invading armies?
"You're under arrest!"

P.S. Your song in the other thread set to "Isn't It Ironic?" needed serious work, man. Did you just shoot that out of yer ass?

I'm not the author.

And, Who is?

It was somewhere near the by line, I think.

Your line?


I don't give out my number on the Internet.
 
2013-01-09 09:43:02 PM  

Infobahn: wildcardjack: Of course... He stole a job from a hard working American journalist, it should have gone to a Peter Jennings type.

Okay, I don't know anymore journalists.

Peter Jennings being Canadian. And dead.


The Canadian part was the joke. I didn't know about the dead part.
 
2013-01-09 10:00:36 PM  

Osomatic: Amos Quito: Today I finally watched the segment where Jones and Morgan went at it.

What a hoot!

Morgan kept asking Jones if he knew how many murders had been committed WITH GUNS in the UK in 2011 - flustering Jones.

Of course Jones' proper response would have been to ask Morgan how many murders had been committed WITH GUNS in United States PRISONS in 2011.

Too slow.

No doubt that figure would show that there's not much gun violence in places where only law enforcement is allowed to have guns, but I'm not sure that would've been helpful to Jones' argument.



Surprisingly, it seems that Jones' argument was quite valid. In the segment he referred to a Telegraph article regarding the extremely high VIOLENT (not gun) CRIME RATE in the UK;

This must be the one:

QUOTE:

"The total number of violent offences [in Britain] recorded compared to population is higher than any other country in Europe, as well as America, Canada, Australia and South Africa.

[...]

"A breakdown of the statistics, which were compiled into league tables by the Conservatives, revealed that violent crime in the UK had increased from 652,974 offences in 1998 to more than 1.15 million crimes in 2007.
It means there are over 2,000 crimes recorded per 100,000 population in the UK, making it the most violent place in Europe.
Austria is second, with a rate of 1,677 per 100,000 people, followed by Sweden, Belgium, Finland and Holland.
By comparison, America has an estimated rate of 466 violent crimes per 100,000 population."

END QUOTE

So "Safe, sensible gun-free Britain" has an overall violent crime rate that is 4.3 times HIGHER than scary, irrational gun-laden America. And this is the example that Morgan wants us to follow?

Deportation or none, I suggest that Morgan hightail his quivering, tea-sipping, limey ass back to the UK.

And he might want to take a few guns along - "for protection, you know".
 
2013-01-09 10:00:39 PM  

ITGreen: I love listening to British people weigh in on our Constitution.  I wonder how he feels about the Declaration of Independence?


Believe it or not, they've gotten over all that.
 
2013-01-09 10:02:35 PM  

Wayne 985: Alex Jones: Bloomberg's undercover cops are trying to assassinate me because I debated Piers Morgan

Link



That's a LIE.

Bloomberg is only trying to assassinate the promoters of BIG SODAS.
 
2013-01-09 10:06:06 PM  
I doubt if a journalist could be deported without cause, and by expressing opinions on the Second Amendment he has not violated US law, and therefore has not given just cause for deportation, which is a punishment. How can you punish him for exercising his free speech rights without ipso facto violating his free speech rights?

On the other hand, the precident cited could be overturned for this reason or any other.

For starters, depriving a journalist of a Visa to enter the US might not violate his free speech rights (if they are guaranteed abroad), but it does violate his right to free association and especially so if the journalist is already in the USA legally and is legally in contact with sources of information vital to his exercise of his free speech, free association, etc.

Either way, deporting a journalist for speaking freely on a matter of great national importance is not kosher, whatever any court might say. It is anti-democratic, anti-political rights, and unAmerican some might say. It violates the spirit of American freedoms, if not the letter, and the spirit is far more important than the nit-picking legalistic letter for ensuring freedom. As Scriptures say, "the spirit edifyeth and the letter killeth"--and that's a commentary on The Law (of God, aka The Torah), not just law. How's that for a legal precedent that would tie many conservative Christians in knots? I call this type of Christian "Old Testament Christians" because they prefer the legalism and cruelty of The Hebraic Law to the mercy and justice of The Holy Spirit, for example, when it comes to the treatment of women, children, slaves, homosexuals, strangers, Unbelievers, etc.

The spirt of Scriptures, the Bill of Rights and the Constitution may very well forbid many things that conservatives approve and approve many things conservatives reject. The First and Second Amendments are two well-known and well-tested examples, and they have yet to be turned into their exact opposites as so many conservatives wish.
 
2013-01-09 10:10:25 PM  
Following with consistency my policy of not giving a shiat of homos like Piers Morgan, I had no idea the farking pile of dick was British. Now I hate him even more.


GTFO OF MY COUNTRY HOMO
 
2013-01-09 10:18:58 PM  

brantgoose: I doubt if a journalist could be deported without cause, and by expressing opinions on the Second Amendment he has not violated US law, and therefore has not given just cause for deportation, which is a punishment. How can you punish him for exercising his free speech rights without ipso facto violating his free speech rights?

On the other hand, the precident cited could be overturned for this reason or any other.

For starters, depriving a journalist of a Visa to enter the US might not violate his free speech rights (if they are guaranteed abroad), but it does violate his right to free association and especially so if the journalist is already in the USA legally and is legally in contact with sources of information vital to his exercise of his free speech, free association, etc.

Either way, deporting a journalist for speaking freely on a matter of great national importance is not kosher, whatever any court might say. It is anti-democratic, anti-political rights, and unAmerican some might say. It violates the spirit of American freedoms, if not the letter, and the spirit is far more important than the nit-picking legalistic letter for ensuring freedom. As Scriptures say, "the spirit edifyeth and the letter killeth"--and that's a commentary on The Law (of God, aka The Torah), not just law. How's that for a legal precedent that would tie many conservative Christians in knots? I call this type of Christian "Old Testament Christians" because they prefer the legalism and cruelty of The Hebraic Law to the mercy and justice of The Holy Spirit, for example, when it comes to the treatment of women, children, slaves, homosexuals, strangers, Unbelievers, etc.

The spirt of Scriptures, the Bill of Rights and the Constitution may very well forbid many things that conservatives approve and approve many things conservatives reject. The First and Second Amendments are two well-known and well-tested examples, and they have yet to be turned into their exact opposites as so many conservatives wish.


despite the fact that real journalism has been dieing/dead in this country for the last 20 years, that you consider piers a journalist is comical. hes a talking head to stir up bs same as hannity.
 
2013-01-09 10:27:23 PM  

Agatha Crispy: Funny how a Rupert Murdoch disciple is so completely embraced by the same Farkers who biatch about Fox.


I don't see any real evidence that Morgan is being embraced by Farkers who biatch about Fox News. We're just supporting his right to say what he wants without governmental interference. Governmental interference is exactly what these petitioners are asking for.

Before the kerfuffle I was peripherally aware that there was a talking head named Piers Morgan. But that's about all I knew. I really don't care enough about pundits to keep track of who's who.

Now I'm aware that there is a talking head named Piers Morgan who works at CNN who said something about gun violence. Also some of the people who claim they want less government intrusion are asking for the government to become more intrusive because of something someone said.

I still don't know much of anything about Morgan, but I will speak up in defense of his right to say what he thinks.
 
2013-01-09 10:35:53 PM  

Wangiss: Indubitably: Wangiss: Indubitably: Wangiss: Indubitably: Wangiss: HellRaisingHoosier: The Bill of Rights applies to anyone on United States soil, yea?

Like invading armies?
"You're under arrest!"

P.S. Your song in the other thread set to "Isn't It Ironic?" needed serious work, man. Did you just shoot that out of yer ass?

I'm not the author.

And, Who is?

It was somewhere near the by line, I think.

Your line?

I don't give out my number on the Internet.


I never wanted it...

To speak
 
2013-01-09 10:35:59 PM  

Philbb: Agatha Crispy: Funny how a Rupert Murdoch disciple is so completely embraced by the same Farkers who biatch about Fox.

I don't see any real evidence that Morgan is being embraced by Farkers who biatch about Fox News. We're just supporting his right to say what he wants without governmental interference. Governmental interference is exactly what these petitioners are asking for.

Before the kerfuffle I was peripherally aware that there was a talking head named Piers Morgan. But that's about all I knew. I really don't care enough about pundits to keep track of who's who.

Now I'm aware that there is a talking head named Piers Morgan who works at CNN who said something about gun violence. Also some of the people who claim they want less government intrusion are asking for the government to become more intrusive because of something someone said.

I still don't know much of anything about Morgan, but I will speak up in defense of his right to say what he thinks.



Hear here, provided that others have the opportunity to expose him for the lying, agenda-driven asshat that he demonstrably is.
 
2013-01-09 10:40:28 PM  

HappyGryphon: Why? Because he doesn't... non citizen, can't vote, can't change the outcome of an election unless you let him persuade you to vote differently.


What's hilarious is that as a permanent resident, I can contribute to political campaigns just fine, and can volunteer for them - in other words, I could (and in 2008, did - I was even part of the effort in Indiana, which only went blue by a narrow margin) go out and try to change the minds of many people who vote, and help to get out the vote, thus causing plenty more votes to be cast for candidates I like.

I just can't vote myself. Which is only one piddly little vote anyway.

Pointing this out to all the people who like to rub my non-citizen status in my face is a lot of fun.
 
2013-01-09 10:41:27 PM  
You know who else spoke with a funny British accent and held freedom of speech as a highest ideal?
www.whitehouse.gov
 
2013-01-09 10:43:04 PM  

PhilosopherFLX: You know who else spoke with a funny British accent and held freedom of speech as a highest ideal?
[www.whitehouse.gov image 452x255]


To President?
 
2013-01-09 10:44:44 PM  

Amos Quito:
QUOTE:

"A breakdown of the statistics, which were compiled into league tables by the Conservatives, revealed that violent crime in the UK had increased from 652,974 offences in 1998 to more than 1.15 million crimes in 2007.
It means there are over 2,000 crimes recorded per 100,000 population in the UK, making it the most violent place in Europe.
Austria is second, with a rate of 1,677 per 100,000 people, followed by Sweden, Belgium, Finland and Holland.
By comparison, America has an estimated rate of 466 violent crimes per 100,000 population."

END QUOTE

So "Safe, sensible gun-free Britain" has an overall violent crime rate that is 4.3 times HIGHER than scary, irrational gun-laden America. And this is the example that Morgan wants us to follow?

Deportation or none, I suggest that Morgan hightail his quivering, tea-sipping, limey ass back to the UK.

And he might want to take a few guns along - "for protection, you know".


Yes, because getting hornswoggled in the mush while on the piss is exactly the same as a double-tap with an AR-15.
 
2013-01-09 10:47:22 PM  

Rambino: Amos Quito:
QUOTE:

"A breakdown of the statistics, which were compiled into league tables by the Conservatives, revealed that violent crime in the UK had increased from 652,974 offences in 1998 to more than 1.15 million crimes in 2007.
It means there are over 2,000 crimes recorded per 100,000 population in the UK, making it the most violent place in Europe.
Austria is second, with a rate of 1,677 per 100,000 people, followed by Sweden, Belgium, Finland and Holland.
By comparison, America has an estimated rate of 466 violent crimes per 100,000 population."

END QUOTE

So "Safe, sensible gun-free Britain" has an overall violent crime rate that is 4.3 times HIGHER than scary, irrational gun-laden America. And this is the example that Morgan wants us to follow?

Deportation or none, I suggest that Morgan hightail his quivering, tea-sipping, limey ass back to the UK.

And he might want to take a few guns along - "for protection, you know".

Yes, because getting hornswoggled in the mush while on the piss is exactly the same as a double-tap with an AR-15.


Enough!~
 
2013-01-09 10:47:57 PM  

Indubitably: Rambino: Amos Quito:
QUOTE:

"A breakdown of the statistics, which were compiled into league tables by the Conservatives, revealed that violent crime in the UK had increased from 652,974 offences in 1998 to more than 1.15 million crimes in 2007.
It means there are over 2,000 crimes recorded per 100,000 population in the UK, making it the most violent place in Europe.
Austria is second, with a rate of 1,677 per 100,000 people, followed by Sweden, Belgium, Finland and Holland.
By comparison, America has an estimated rate of 466 violent crimes per 100,000 population."

END QUOTE

So "Safe, sensible gun-free Britain" has an overall violent crime rate that is 4.3 times HIGHER than scary, irrational gun-laden America. And this is the example that Morgan wants us to follow?

Deportation or none, I suggest that Morgan hightail his quivering, tea-sipping, limey ass back to the UK.

And he might want to take a few guns along - "for protection, you know".

Yes, because getting hornswoggled in the mush while on the piss is exactly the same as a double-tap with an AR-15.

Enough!~


Next?
 
2013-01-09 10:57:37 PM  

Rambino: Amos Quito:
QUOTE:

"A breakdown of the statistics, which were compiled into league tables by the Conservatives, revealed that violent crime in the UK had increased from 652,974 offences in 1998 to more than 1.15 million crimes in 2007.
It means there are over 2,000 crimes recorded per 100,000 population in the UK, making it the most violent place in Europe.
Austria is second, with a rate of 1,677 per 100,000 people, followed by Sweden, Belgium, Finland and Holland.
By comparison, America has an estimated rate of 466 violent crimes per 100,000 population."

END QUOTE

So "Safe, sensible gun-free Britain" has an overall violent crime rate that is 4.3 times HIGHER than scary, irrational gun-laden America. And this is the example that Morgan wants us to follow?

Deportation or none, I suggest that Morgan hightail his quivering, tea-sipping, limey ass back to the UK.

And he might want to take a few guns along - "for protection, you know".


Yes, because getting hornswoggled in the mush while on the piss is exactly the same as a double-tap with an AR-15.



It is?


/Words
//They mean
///Things
 
2013-01-09 10:59:43 PM  
Deportation would shut him up how exactly?
 
2013-01-09 11:15:01 PM  

The Lone Gunman: BSABSVR: Mean Daddy: Amazing how many First Amendment advocates are out there, but few Second Amendment ones

Says the guy comenting at gunporndaily.com

I'm an advocate for the 2nd Amendment. It is an essential part of our freedom to protect ourselves from those who would do us harm.

What I'm NOT an advocate is allowing private citizens to own an arsenal of whatever ordinance they can get their hands on. "2nd amendment advocates" seem to think that the 2nd Amendment is unlimited.


To be fair--and I know I'm going to catch hell for this--I think the public, in a perfect world, *should* have access to any weapons available. One of the reasons we won the Revolutionary War is because we had the mini-ball and the Brits didn't. Technological advantage.

Unfortunately, it's not a perfect world and just like the first amendment, people have proven that they can't be responsible with the second amendment either. As with everything, the few have really farked it up for the many.
 
2013-01-09 11:16:25 PM  
Piers Morgan comes over here then biatches that things are not like they are over there. It has yet to dawn on him why we left in the first place.
 
2013-01-09 11:23:42 PM  

Alleyoop: Piers Morgan comes over here then biatches that things are not like they are over there. It has yet to dawn on him why we left in the first place.

To mis-Piers?


I.E. To mis-peer
 
2013-01-09 11:37:58 PM  

PhilosopherFLX: You know who else spoke with a funny British accent and held freedom of speech as a highest ideal?
[www.whitehouse.gov image 452x255]


He also held the Second Amendment in as high esteem as the First.

/it's not an a la carte menu people
 
2013-01-10 12:05:32 AM  
I came for all the derp, and am leaving satisfied.

/all of you
// yes even you
// and especially you
 
2013-01-10 12:06:52 AM  
Piers Moron has always been a douchebag.
 
2013-01-10 12:08:36 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: But I thought the First Amendment doesn't protect you from consequences.

Didn't he do all this on his company's time?


He did. It's up to his employer to decide if there should be any consequences. It's none of the government's business.
 
2013-01-10 12:08:47 AM  

LanceDearnis: Comically missing the point.

The point is to remind people that free speech is as much part of this countries' culture as 'free guns'. In fact, they even point out "SPIRIT OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT", not "Constitutional interpretation of it".

Idiots write article, idiot wrote headline, idiot approved it. Idiocy all around.


I approve this comment

/vote for me in 2020
 
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