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(The Daily Caller)   The First Amendment doesn't protect Piers Morgan from deportation, but it does protect him from finding a real job   (dailycaller.com) divider line 176
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2013-01-09 04:21:54 PM
And yet, I don't think he's getting deported any time soon.
 
2013-01-09 04:45:08 PM
White House press secretary Jay Carney issued a factually incorrect response Wednesday to the White House petition to deport British-born CNN host Piers Morgan, wrongly claiming that Morgan, who has launched repeated televised attacks on the Second Amendment, is protected from deportation by the First Amendment.

"Let's not let arguments over the Constitution's Second Amendment violate the spirit of its First," Carney wrote in response to the petition, which has collected more than 100,000 signatures from patriotic Americans.


While the First Amendment may not, as a technical legal matter, prohibit the Federal Government from deporting a foreign journalist based on the journalist's views, the spirit of the First Amendment certainly weighs against such a deportation.  Nothing "factually incorrect" about Carney's response.
 
2013-01-09 05:01:15 PM
But I thought the First Amendment doesn't protect you from consequences.

Didn't he do all this on his company's time?
 
2013-01-09 05:03:10 PM
For people who celebrate your right to say whatever you want, Republicans seem quite intent on making sure Piers Morgan is denied any ability to speak to the American people.
 
2013-01-09 05:32:21 PM

GAT_00: For people who celebrate your right to say whatever you want, Republicans seem quite intent on making sure Piers Morgan is denied any ability to speak to the American people.


They only recognize that particular right when the speaker is saying something they agree with.
 
2013-01-09 05:40:21 PM
I love listening to British people weigh in on our Constitution.  I wonder how he feels about the Declaration of Independence?
 
2013-01-09 06:10:08 PM
When we get rid of the 2nd amendment we can work on repealing those pesky 1st and 4th ones.
 
2013-01-09 06:17:30 PM

OtherLittleGuy: But I thought the First Amendment doesn't protect you from consequences.

Didn't he do all this on his company's time?


Having your ratings drop is one thing, being threatened with deportation is entirely something else. But you already knew that

He's paid to offer opinions on newsworthy events. But you already knew that as well
 
2013-01-09 06:36:26 PM
Laws are derived from the Constitution and they apply to all within the country , citizen or not. Why do people believe the rights within do not also apply? Of course they do.
 
2013-01-09 06:47:07 PM

edmo: Laws are derived from the Constitution and they apply to all within the country , citizen or not. Why do people believe the rights within do not also apply? Of course they do.


Like the right to vote?
 
2013-01-09 06:48:20 PM
Big macho gun guys want the bad man to go away?

Man up, pussies.
 
2013-01-09 06:50:26 PM
So this deportation thing is real, not a joke?

Republicans are stupider than I thought.
 
2013-01-09 06:50:29 PM
Comically missing the point.

The point is to remind people that free speech is as much part of this countries' culture as 'free guns'. In fact, they even point out "SPIRIT OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT", not "Constitutional interpretation of it".

Idiots write article, idiot wrote headline, idiot approved it. Idiocy all around.
 
2013-01-09 06:50:35 PM
The cited court case refers to some being denied entry on a temporary non-immigrant visa

Does this apply to somebody already living within the country on a permanent basis? Presumably, Piers Morgan has a permanent immigrant status.
 
2013-01-09 06:51:10 PM

Smelly Pirate Hooker: So this deportation thing is real, not a joke?


Yes. It's totally real. Like totally.
 
2013-01-09 06:53:00 PM
Damn ferriners are takin' our JERBS!
 
2013-01-09 06:53:03 PM
I think we can all agree that not letting someone into a country for their views is different to punishing someone inside the country for holding specific views.

2 wholly different situations
 
2013-01-09 06:53:05 PM

1000 Ways to Dye: The cited court case refers to some being denied entry on a temporary non-immigrant visa


Yes, but the reason to deny it was because of the political opinions of the journalist.
 
2013-01-09 06:53:52 PM
Amazing how many First Amendment advocates are out there, but few Second Amendment ones. Have you ever thought who would ensure the First Amendment rights if there were no guns? Oh that's right Harry Belafonte. It's only for hunting, not to protect us from an overly intrusive gubmint.
 
2013-01-09 06:54:30 PM

Although at this point, I'd be more comfortable keeping Piers here in America but deporting Alex Jones to Zimbabwe.


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2013-01-09 06:54:33 PM

nigeman: I think we can all agree that not letting someone into a country for their views is different to punishing someone inside the country for holding specific views.

2 wholly different situations


Same effect really. "You have the wrong opinions, so you aren't allowed in this country." It's pretty farked up.
 
2013-01-09 06:56:01 PM
WAAAAAH!

THE GUY THAT TALKS FUNNY SAID SOMETHING WE DON'T LIKE!

MAKE HIM GO AWAY
!

WAAAAAAH!
 
2013-01-09 06:57:10 PM
This coming from the people who holler about being "silenced" by the media?
 
2013-01-09 06:57:42 PM
It's on the internet! It must be true!
 
2013-01-09 06:57:54 PM
"Your opinion is protected, your presence in the U.S. is not. See Kleindienst v. Mandel (1972)," Taranto replied to Morgan.

/true that. Just because you have something to say, doesn't mean you have the right to come in. Facts are facts. You can argue the "spirit" of the law all day.
 
2013-01-09 06:58:57 PM
This is... Faux News.
 
2013-01-09 07:00:28 PM

ITGreen: I love listening to British people weigh in on our Constitution.  I wonder how he feels about the Declaration of Independence?


He probably thinks it is pretty dated as well? No one is alive from that time and so I don't think Brits really give a toss anymore.
Americans (Conservatives) seem to always have something to say about everyone elses politics. This is the problem. Republicans can only dish it, they can't take it. Babies.
 
2013-01-09 07:00:29 PM
"I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it now SHUT UP and GTFO!"
 
2013-01-09 07:01:39 PM
Save a seat for Simon Cowell on this deportation plane.
 
2013-01-09 07:04:07 PM
Some day The Daily Caller will be right about something, right?

/any day now, tards
 
2013-01-09 07:04:29 PM

duffblue: When we get rid of the 2nd amendment we can work on repealing those pesky 1st and 4th ones.


You forgot the 5th amendment has to go, can't let those criminals get away with not confessing their crimes, and who needs juries, anyhow?
 
2013-01-09 07:06:08 PM

Smelly Pirate Hooker: So this deportation thing is real, not a joke?

Republicans are stupider than I thought.


I find your lack of lack of faith disturbing.
 
2013-01-09 07:07:06 PM

Mean Daddy: Amazing how many First Amendment advocates are out there, but few Second Amendment ones. Have you ever thought who would ensure the First Amendment rights if there were no guns? Oh that's right Harry Belafonte. It's only for hunting, not to protect us from an overly intrusive gubmint.


Wow, I hope your joking.
 
2013-01-09 07:07:13 PM
Also, if Piers Morgan has a green card, which he probably does if he's working in the US, that ruling doesn't affect him. He has as much legal right to live in the United States as a citizen, the only difference being that that can be taken away in the event that he commits certain types of crime or leaves the country for a long period of time.

The ruling only applies to applications for entry, not people who already have permanent resident status.

/side note: I learned something I didn't know looking that up. Must notify USCIS of change of address within 10 days of moving. That... could be kind of useful to know for me. Yikes.
 
2013-01-09 07:07:38 PM

edmo: Laws are derived from the Constitution and they apply to all within the country , citizen or not. Why do people believe the rights within do not also apply? Of course they do.

 
2013-01-09 07:09:49 PM

OtherLittleGuy: But I thought the First Amendment doesn't protect you from consequences.

Didn't he do all this on his company's time?


The law that the cite blocked a journalist from being allowed in the country. Which (while despicable) is not the same as deportation. Thia argument that Morgan can be deported is based more on truthiness than anything else as far as I can see.
 
2013-01-09 07:11:29 PM

Weaver95: And yet, I don't think he's getting deported any time soon.


Shot to death perhaps, however.
 
2013-01-09 07:11:31 PM

ITGreen: I love listening to British people weigh in on our Constitution.  I wonder how he feels about the Declaration of Independence?


I'm sure the Brits are long over it. It was a few hundred years ago. My ex wife can hold a grudge like no one I've ever seen but a few hundred years is beyond even her capacity. Americans are no longer the upstart bootstrappy folks they envision themselves to be for the most part. There is entrepreneurial spirit all over the globe. It is not a uniquely American trait as some believe.

People have opinions. Americans hold the right to free speech as sacred from what I can tell. If I look at some of the supporting documents surrounding your independence a phrase comes to mind and that is "all men are created equal". It does not say American men. It says all. No country specified.
 
2013-01-09 07:11:47 PM

Mean Daddy: Amazing how many First Amendment advocates are out there, but few Second Amendment ones


Says the guy comenting at gunporndaily.com
 
2013-01-09 07:12:23 PM

SpeedyBB: Weaver95: And yet, I don't think he's getting deported any time soon.

Shot to death perhaps, however.


Do it or shut up, tough guy.
 
2013-01-09 07:13:10 PM

ITGreen: I love listening to British people weigh in on our Constitution.


Our Republican friends were perfectly comfortable weighing in on when it's time for regime change in Iraq.
 
2013-01-09 07:13:19 PM

DemonEater: Also, if Piers Morgan has a green card, which he probably does if he's working in the US, that ruling doesn't affect him. He has as much legal right to live in the United States as a citizen, the only difference being that that can be taken away in the event that he commits certain types of crime or leaves the country for a long period of time.


Don't tell jigger, it will give him a sad that he's a passionate defender of what he imagines the constitution to be.
 
2013-01-09 07:14:19 PM
Yeah, no. There's a huge chasm between saying the First Amendment requires the government to do something optional, such as letting an alien enter the country, vs. saying that it prevents the government from taking action against someone who's here.

If Morgan has permanent status, nothing he says that any American could say can get him kicked out. If he doesn't have permanent status, he's good till his visa expires. Then, well...
 
2013-01-09 07:14:30 PM
The Brits have no problem dealing with people who say things they don't like.

www.playscripts.com
 
2013-01-09 07:14:55 PM

ITGreen: I love listening to British people weigh in on our Constitution.


Something tells me that you don't have the same problem when Mark Steyn talks about the Constitution, or people who have never left Davenport, IA fret over "Eurabia".
 
2013-01-09 07:15:47 PM
Funny how a Rupert Murdoch disciple is so completely embraced by the same Farkers who biatch about Fox.
 
2013-01-09 07:15:52 PM
The First Amendment doesn't protect him if he commits a crime, even if he uses speech to do it, but as far as I'm aware he hasn't done anything illegal. I have no kind words for the man's opinions and motives, but while he is wrong, he hasn't done wrong. Ergo, no grounds for deportation.
 
2013-01-09 07:16:59 PM

BSABSVR: SpeedyBB: Weaver95: And yet, I don't think he's getting deported any time soon.

Shot to death perhaps, however.

Do it or shut up, tough guy.


Seriously? From you? Sir.

*looks askance*

*)
 
2013-01-09 07:17:37 PM

Indubitably: BSABSVR: SpeedyBB: Weaver95: And yet, I don't think he's getting deported any time soon.

Shot to death perhaps, however.

Do it or shut up, tough guy.

Seriously? From you? Sir.

*looks askance*

*)


P.S. *arms akimbo*
 
2013-01-09 07:17:46 PM

DemonEater:

/side note: I learned something I didn't know looking that up. Must notify USCIS of change of address within 10 days of moving. That... could be kind of useful to know for me. Yikes.


For resident aliens/green card holders, I assume?
 
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