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2013-01-09 08:13:52 PM  

ultramarinblaa: It seriously annoys me how every time people talk about birthrates, they get stuck on irrelevant shorterm problems.

The real question is: What is the ideal population of Earth?

It shouldn't be to small, so that pandemics or inbreeding becomes a serious risk. On the other hand it should leave plenty of space for natural resourses like rainforrests. I think 100-500 millions would be a good number.


That would be a terrible number for the ideal population of earth. I peg it at 9 billion.
 
2013-01-09 08:15:08 PM  

dericwater: ultramarinblaa: It seriously annoys me how every time people talk about birthrates, they get stuck on irrelevant shorterm problems.

The real question is: What is the ideal population of Earth?

It shouldn't be to small, so that pandemics or inbreeding becomes a serious risk. On the other hand it should leave plenty of space for natural resourses like rainforrests. I think 100-500 millions would be a good number.

That would be a terrible number for the ideal population of earth. I peg it at 9 billion.


Try five. 5.
 
2013-01-09 08:15:10 PM  
As many people die each day as are being born so it all equals out. People just need to get out of these major population areas that can't sustain them.
 
2013-01-09 08:16:06 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe:
Um, the Nobel Prize laureates and PhDs right here on Fark have told me (when they took a break from 3D printing trinkets and masturbating over pictures of Mars) that we don't live longer than before.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-09 08:16:22 PM  

Indubitably: dericwater: ultramarinblaa: It seriously annoys me how every time people talk about birthrates, they get stuck on irrelevant shorterm problems.

The real question is: What is the ideal population of Earth?

It shouldn't be to small, so that pandemics or inbreeding becomes a serious risk. On the other hand it should leave plenty of space for natural resourses like rainforrests. I think 100-500 millions would be a good number.

That would be a terrible number for the ideal population of earth. I peg it at 9 billion.

Try five. 5.


The amount of fingers you have on yer hand, son.
 
2013-01-09 08:16:28 PM  

EnglishMajor: Ok, single professional, middle-aged woman seeks blue state rabbit.


cant get much more blue then Canada honey.. come on up.. Ill rabbit ya
 
2013-01-09 08:17:05 PM  

EnglishMajor: Ok, single professional, middle-aged woman seeks blue state rabbit.


Middle-aged Masshole, vasectomy in 1996.

Err... I want you to NOT have my baby?

/hello?
//hello....?
 
2013-01-09 08:18:24 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: dericwater: But between now and the death of the sun, how are you claiming we have finite or effectively finite resources?

Well, because the earth only has so much stuff in it and on it. There's a measurable amount of things. The point of the "vast universe is still finite" thought exercise is to demonstrate that, since all things scale, you can assume the Earth is also effectively finite in terms of stuff.

Will it matter in our lifetimes? That's the question I can't answer (and the question you're asking - but this is Fark, I don't like to answer the questions people are actually asking, that's no fun)


Just because we have a finite amount of things on this planet (say 10^200 atoms or something like that), doesn't mean we have a finite amount of resources. The amount of water on earth, potable or not, is a finite quantity, true, but as far as it is a resource, it's infinite. Water comes down as rain, we clean it up, drink it, piss it out, let it go into the sewers into another cleaning place (or just down the river) and into the ocean, and then the sun evaporates it into the clouds and then it rains back on us. We don't lose any water. It's still two H's and an O. You can add poison to it, freeze it, boil it away and eventually, it comes back as water.
 
2013-01-09 08:18:26 PM  

kvinesknows: EnglishMajor: Ok, single professional, middle-aged woman seeks blue state rabbit.

cant get much more blue then Canada honey.. come on up.. Ill rabbit ya


Seriously?

If she takes you with that, she can have you...
 
2013-01-09 08:18:56 PM  
any farkettes want a cute, smart, slightly crazy and stubborn offspring just hit me up

i got gold in dem genes. and jeans. giggity.
 
2013-01-09 08:19:49 PM  

DeathRaySanta: EnglishMajor: Ok, single professional, middle-aged woman seeks blue state rabbit.

Middle-aged Masshole, vasectomy in 1996.

Err... I want you to NOT have my baby?

/hello?
//hello....?


*cue "It's a Man, Babby." pix*
 
2013-01-09 08:20:36 PM  

Omahawg: any farkettes want a cute, smart, slightly crazy and stubborn offspring just hit me up

i got gold in dem genes. and jeans. giggity.


*ewww*
 
2013-01-09 08:20:38 PM  

Indubitably: kvinesknows: EnglishMajor: Ok, single professional, middle-aged woman seeks blue state rabbit.

cant get much more blue then Canada honey.. come on up.. Ill rabbit ya

Seriously?

If she takes you with that, she can have you...


er..hi honey? sorry.. I was just kidding!
 
2013-01-09 08:22:31 PM  

kvinesknows: Indubitably: kvinesknows: EnglishMajor: Ok, single professional, middle-aged woman seeks blue state rabbit.

cant get much more blue then Canada honey.. come on up.. Ill rabbit ya

Seriously?

If she takes you with that, she can have you...

er..hi honey? sorry.. I was just kidding!


*whatevs*
 
2013-01-09 08:23:13 PM  

dericwater: I believe life expectancy factors in child mortality.


Most of the time it doesn't. From Wiki

Life expectancy is often confused with life span to the point that they are nearly synonyms; when people hear 'life expectancy was 35 years' they often interpret this as meaning that people of that time or place had short life spans.[71] One such example can be seen in the In Search of... episode "The Man Who Would Not Die" (About Count of St. Germain) where it is stated "Evidence recently discovered in the British Museum indicates that St. Germain may have well been the long lost third son of Rákóczi born in Transylvania in 1694. If he died in Germany in 1784, he lived 90 years. The average life expectancy in the 18th century was 35 years. Fifty was a ripe old age. Ninety... was forever."

This ignores the fact that the life expectancy generally quoted is the at birth number which is an average that includes all the babies that die before their first year of life as well as people that die from disease and war. The genetics of humans and rate of aging were no different in preindustrial societies than today, but people frequently died young because of untreatable diseases, accidents, and malnutrition. Many women did not survive childbirth, and individuals who reached old age were likely to succumb quickly to health problems.

It can be argued that it is better to compare life expectancies of the period after adulthood to get a better handle on life span.[72] Even during childhood, life expectancy can take a huge jump as seen in the Roman Life Expectancy table at the University of Texas where at birth the life expectancy was 25 but at the age of 5 it jumped to 48. Studies like Plymouth Plantation; "Dead at Forty" and Life Expectancy by Age, 1850-2004 similarly show a dramatic increase in life expectancy once adulthood was reached.
 
2013-01-09 08:23:25 PM  

kvinesknows: Indubitably: kvinesknows: EnglishMajor: Ok, single professional, middle-aged woman seeks blue state rabbit.

cant get much more blue then Canada honey.. come on up.. Ill rabbit ya

Seriously?

If she takes you with that, she can have you...

er..hi honey? sorry.. I was just kidding!


You know I love you, right, amirite?
 
2013-01-09 08:23:35 PM  
Some good news for a change. The world needs less people. A lot less people.
 
2013-01-09 08:23:43 PM  
If we are lucky, we'll top out before we exhaust all the non-renewable resources. If we are really lucky, we'll still have enough resources to allow us to protect the environment, continue to increase our life expectancy, continue to grow our per capita GDP, and fix some of the damage we have done, not to mention get off of the planet, first to space and the Moon, then to Mars and other planets and Moons.

My guess is that politics, economics and psychology can all be brought to bear on the problem of a declining population more easily than a never-ending population explosion. Women have to want to have children more. If they can post-pone child bearing indefinitely or start their careers after their children are fully-grown without penalty, then the extension of lifespans might mean a woman's child-bearing years could be extended well past today's utmost limit, say past 65 or 70. Give a woman thirty years of education, 30 years of work and 30 years of child-rearing, then thirty years of retirement and me time, she might be willing to have four or five children instead of two or three. After all, with average child spacing of three years, you can have six children in 18 years--by the time the last one is born, the older children are qualified babysitters or Nannies.

Humans who live a couple of hundred years might find, like the only genuine social mammal, the naked mole rat, that it is worth their while to tend their siblings rather than immediately have children of their own. More mature, richer, better educated and child-care experienced parents would be a great boost to quality child-rearing, and possibly also to quantity.

In short, the way we raise children and the timing can shift to encourage not only more children, but longer breeding and longer lives. After all, grandmothers made long childhoods possible for our ancestors. Multiple generation families could make the evolution of longer lived, healthier and cheaper humans a self-reinforcing proposition. A ninety year old Mother is more likely to have children and grandchildren who also live long and healthy lives. That's how evolution works: good breeders breed better breeders, poor breeders go extinct.
 
2013-01-09 08:24:11 PM  

whidbey: World's population may soon start declining

They touched on India, but didn't really address the rapid birthrates in SE Asia or most of Africa.

Kind of a WTF attempt at touchy-feeling goodness I guess. I don't get it.


Yes, they did. Read it again. Africa is expected to start declining in the 2070's, and a few places like Singapore already has a hellishly low birthrate of 1.2.
 
2013-01-09 08:24:25 PM  
dericwater

The universe is certainly vast. But space exploration is still in its infancy, and Earth is filling up.
 
2013-01-09 08:24:35 PM  

12349876: dericwater: I believe life expectancy factors in child mortality.

Most of the time it doesn't. From Wiki

Life expectancy is often confused with life span to the point that they are nearly synonyms; when people hear 'life expectancy was 35 years' they often interpret this as meaning that people of that time or place had short life spans.[71] One such example can be seen in the In Search of... episode "The Man Who Would Not Die" (About Count of St. Germain) where it is stated "Evidence recently discovered in the British Museum indicates that St. Germain may have well been the long lost third son of Rákóczi born in Transylvania in 1694. If he died in Germany in 1784, he lived 90 years. The average life expectancy in the 18th century was 35 years. Fifty was a ripe old age. Ninety... was forever."

This ignores the fact that the life expectancy generally quoted is the at birth number which is an average that includes all the babies that die before their first year of life as well as people that die from disease and war. The genetics of humans and rate of aging were no different in preindustrial societies than today, but people frequently died young because of untreatable diseases, accidents, and malnutrition. Many women did not survive childbirth, and individuals who reached old age were likely to succumb quickly to health problems.

It can be argued that it is better to compare life expectancies of the period after adulthood to get a better handle on life span.[72] Even during childhood, life expectancy can take a huge jump as seen in the Roman Life Expectancy table at the University of Texas where at birth the life expectancy was 25 but at the age of 5 it jumped to 48. Studies like Plymouth Plantation; "Dead at Forty" and Life Expectancy by Age, 1850-2004 similarly show a dramatic increase in life expectancy once adulthood was reached.


You are functionally retarded.

*)

*giggle*
 
2013-01-09 08:25:59 PM  

Indubitably: kvinesknows: Indubitably: kvinesknows: EnglishMajor: Ok, single professional, middle-aged woman seeks blue state rabbit.

cant get much more blue then Canada honey.. come on up.. Ill rabbit ya

Seriously?

If she takes you with that, she can have you...

er..hi honey? sorry.. I was just kidding!

You know I love you, right, amirite?


I sure hope so!.. please be gentle with the whip tonight I have a meeting at work tomorrow and really should not have blood forming on my clothes
 
2013-01-09 08:27:38 PM  
I don't get it.  Why just rabbits?  No dogs, or donkeys or sheep or. . .

Oh, LIKE rabbits. Uh, my mistake.
 
2013-01-09 08:28:09 PM  

Potter82: Some good news for a change. The world needs less people. A lot less people.


War, then?

I suggest Africa first, build a strong fort at the Canal, and then spread East, hoping for high rolls. If you can take Australia bloodlessly, then you have a deserted base for flight operations into the mainland East.

It will be bloody and violent and the human race will become extinct.
 
2013-01-09 08:28:35 PM  

brantgoose: If we are lucky, we'll top out before we exhaust all the non-renewable resources. If we are really lucky, we'll still have enough resources to allow us to protect the environment, continue to increase our life expectancy, continue to grow our per capita GDP, and fix some of the damage we have done, not to mention get off of the planet, first to space and the Moon, then to Mars and other planets and Moons.


There are few non-renewable resources. Which ones are you referring to?

Almost all resources that I know of are completely renewable. It's an financial and political issue, not a resource issue.
 
2013-01-09 08:31:12 PM  

kvinesknows: Indubitably: kvinesknows: Indubitably: kvinesknows: EnglishMajor: Ok, single professional, middle-aged woman seeks blue state rabbit.

cant get much more blue then Canada honey.. come on up.. Ill rabbit ya

Seriously?

If she takes you with that, she can have you...

er..hi honey? sorry.. I was just kidding!

You know I love you, right, amirite?

I sure hope so!.. please be gentle with the whip tonight I have a meeting at work tomorrow and really should not have blood forming on my clothes


Commas are your friends, darlin'.
 
2013-01-09 08:31:51 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: dericwater: "We've never had a population explosion. We had a death implosion. Lifespans have increased from 50 years in the early 1900s to 78 or higher at the end of that century. We didn't have more babies than previous generations. We just didn't die as quickly as previous generations."

Um, the Nobel Prize laureates and PhDs right here on Fark have told me (when they took a break from 3D printing trinkets and masturbating over pictures of Mars) that we don't live longer than before.


Well, I think I found the problem...
 
2013-01-09 08:33:38 PM  
Another factor which will come into play very soon is technology. Robots are already multiplying in jobs which they can do without too much intelligence or training. They are also doing jobs humans can not do safely. There is no reason why the can not do everything eventually. We have expert software that can do a lot of the work of lawyers, doctors, accountants, designers, architects and artists or musicians. There is nothing an android can not do if it approximates to a human being.

Three-dimensional printing is also dropping in cost and learning-curve time. The Santa Clause machine, capable of making anything from cheap materials, is fast approaching. With these, getting into space would be a snap. You can make droids, computers, space-craft and possibly even food, air and water, out of raw materials without large industry or agriculture. You can also make guns. Gun parts have already been made and the guns have been fired. They tend to explode because the firing chamber and cylinder can't be made of strong enough materials, but various options will soon exist, including 3-d printers that work in plastics, metal or ceramics as strong and heat-resistant as steel.

This could lead to anarchy and massive populaton loss (if we are lucky, oldsters without jobs or talent or experience) and the problem of a an aging population would solve itself as easily as the Malthusian population problem solves itself--and by the same means--death, famine, war, pestilence and man's inhumanity to man and everything else.

Because there are two basic ways to solve problems:  the wrong way and the right way. Wrong ways are many and easy. Right ways are few and hard.
 
2013-01-09 08:34:04 PM  

EnglishMajor: Ok, single professional, middle-aged woman seeks blue state rabbit.


Pictures or GTFO.
 
2013-01-09 08:34:18 PM  

dericwater: brantgoose: If we are lucky, we'll top out before we exhaust all the non-renewable resources. If we are really lucky, we'll still have enough resources to allow us to protect the environment, continue to increase our life expectancy, continue to grow our per capita GDP, and fix some of the damage we have done, not to mention get off of the planet, first to space and the Moon, then to Mars and other planets and Moons.


There are few non-renewable resources. Which ones are you referring to?

Almost all resources that I know of are completely renewable. It's an financial and political issue, not a resource issue.


"An financial?"

Wrong.

Resources were human first, "an financial an political second an you know it..."

Quit fuking with humanity.

There is a record.

It's cosmic.

Good luck.

*)
 
2013-01-09 08:35:19 PM  
Nature generally finds a way to re-balance. On a geologic time scale, humans are a recent arrival. Though we're clever, we still can't cure a single virus. Everntually, time and mutation will create one that we won't be able to deal with. The Spanish Flu wiped out more people after WWI than the war did. Preview of coming attractions?
 
2013-01-09 08:37:35 PM  

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: The problem with this analysis, however, is that the author is making the same mistake he accuses Malthus of making: namely, making straight-line projections hundreds of years into the future regarding population growth.  At least the suggestion that human population could go to zero.  That part was pretty unbelievable.


What if his hobby is extrapolating?
 
2013-01-09 08:38:03 PM  

dericwater: The amount of water on earth, potable or not, is a finite quantity, true, but as far as it is a resource, it's infinite.


But if it's not potable, you have to find the energy to make it potable.
 
2013-01-09 08:38:57 PM  

Mister Peejay: Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: The problem with this analysis, however, is that the author is making the same mistake he accuses Malthus of making: namely, making straight-line projections hundreds of years into the future regarding population growth.  At least the suggestion that human population could go to zero.  That part was pretty unbelievable.

What if his hobby is extrapolating?


He explicated extrapolatingly...
 
2013-01-09 08:39:43 PM  

12349876: dericwater: The amount of water on earth, potable or not, is a finite quantity, true, but as far as it is a resource, it's infinite.

But if it's not potable, you have to find the energy to make it potable.


Good luck with that...
 
2013-01-09 08:40:22 PM  
Nah, I'm opting out.

/never was satisfied with the human condition
//or maybe I'm confused by living in 'Murica
///wouldn't want a wife and kids I couldn't afford either
 
2013-01-09 08:41:48 PM  
Just send all the girls to school, keep up with microfinancing small businesses for them, and not only will the population go down, but so will child mortality.

As for the surplus Chinese men, that can be offset by a combination of the fact that women outnumber men worldwide and young men, with encouragement from other young men, do stupid things that get themselves killed.

As for blue state rabbits, I have one. He's an English Spot and I have to keep him away from wires and shoes.
 
2013-01-09 08:41:51 PM  

Indubitably: kvinesknows: Indubitably: kvinesknows: Indubitably: kvinesknows: EnglishMajor: Ok, single professional, middle-aged woman seeks blue state rabbit.

cant get much more blue then Canada honey.. come on up.. Ill rabbit ya

Seriously?

If she takes you with that, she can have you...

er..hi honey? sorry.. I was just kidding!

You know I love you, right, amirite?

I sure hope so!.. please be gentle with the whip tonight I have a meeting at work tomorrow and really should not have blood forming on my clothes

Commas are your friends, darlin'.


fark those communists down the road they never let me cum in their faces
 
2013-01-09 08:42:07 PM  

Indubitably: 12349876: dericwater: The amount of water on earth, potable or not, is a finite quantity, true, but as far as it is a resource, it's infinite.

But if it's not potable, you have to find the energy to make it potable.

Good luck with that...


"In the Age of Economy, things got made. People made things all the time with the energies they wielded. However, their hubris was tragic. People died. Little did they know what the future would bring:
 
2013-01-09 08:42:41 PM  
here's your fat future, fatties

www.killertofu.com
 
2013-01-09 08:43:15 PM  

kvinesknows: Indubitably: kvinesknows: Indubitably: kvinesknows: Indubitably: kvinesknows: EnglishMajor: Ok, single professional, middle-aged woman seeks blue state rabbit.

cant get much more blue then Canada honey.. come on up.. Ill rabbit ya

Seriously?

If she takes you with that, she can have you...

er..hi honey? sorry.. I was just kidding!

You know I love you, right, amirite?

I sure hope so!.. please be gentle with the whip tonight I have a meeting at work tomorrow and really should not have blood forming on my clothes

Commas are your friends, darlin'.

fark those communists down the road they never let me cum in their faces


Fear of Communists was a 50's meme: Grow Up.
 
2013-01-09 08:44:38 PM  

Indubitably: kvinesknows: Indubitably: kvinesknows: Indubitably: kvinesknows: Indubitably: kvinesknows: EnglishMajor: Ok, single professional, middle-aged woman seeks blue state rabbit.

cant get much more blue then Canada honey.. come on up.. Ill rabbit ya

Seriously?

If she takes you with that, she can have you...

er..hi honey? sorry.. I was just kidding!

You know I love you, right, amirite?

I sure hope so!.. please be gentle with the whip tonight I have a meeting at work tomorrow and really should not have blood forming on my clothes

Commas are your friends, darlin'.

fark those communists down the road they never let me cum in their faces

Fear of Communists was a 50's meme: Grow Up.


P.S. The recent splay re: Marilyn was Fascist Garbage. FO. *)(
 
2013-01-09 08:45:52 PM  

LewDux: fusillade762: Unlike Europe, the United States has long been the beneficiary of robust immigration.

Suck it, conservatives!

Though I thought Europe had plenty of immigrants?

of cause, just ask Breivnik


Europe has lots of immigrants but is nowhere near as open to immigration as the more successful colonies. Canada, for example, has a population which is nearly 20% immigrants. France is more like half this. European countries tend to assimilate immigrants worse than the USA, Canada, etc. Conservatism (even fascism) and left wing as well as right wing barriers to economic equality and fairness mean that many immigrants are stuck in ghettos such as the Banlieux of Paris--giant high rise ghettos. This is one reason they burn a lot of cars in French riots. Not the only reason, of course, and not exclusively immigrants or leftists to blame--a lot of residents of France like to riot and demonstrate more than we North Americans do.

All in all, most of Continental Europe is not an immigrant's first choice, although Africans can hop the Mediterranean in large numbers if they are willing to risk dying, and some are even stupid or desperate enough to try to get in the wheel wells of airplanes, where they often die of exposure and lack of oxygen.

Europe has a fair amount of "internal" migration. Old Europe receives skilled workers and other immigrants from New Europe or even Turkey. Some of these may be easier to assimilate, but they don't really count as immigrants if they are from countries that are part of the Eurozone. There is guaranteed freedom of movement, at least for certain categories of immigrants who are needed because of skills in short supply.

Britain is full of Polish plumbers.

But Europe also has laws that make it easier to expel "guest workers", while some are only still in Europe because they have lost their passports. In the Middle East, there are many unemployed workers trapped because passports are taken away by employers and not returned when the workers are "let go" from construction or other projects. They are trapped like that guy who lived in an airport for 15 years, although he eventually was allowed to move on, only to decide that he didn't like that much either. They made a movie with whatzit, Bill Murray, IIRC.
 
2013-01-09 08:56:25 PM  

dericwater: theorellior: dericwater: That 1.6 billion people will drop precipitously in the next 20 years. It will be smaller than India's population in about 30 years.

They'd better hope so, in order to keep their environment halfway stable. Thing is, they're gonna be in for a wild ride when the 100 million surplus boys become bachelors. If there's not a bloody revolution in China in 20 years I'll be very surprised.

Those boys being permanent bachelors have already happened 10 years or longer ago. Remember, it was Mao's 1 child per family policy of the 60s and 70s. The first group of them are now in the 40s and 50s. I expect to see China changing its family planning policy in the next 10 years.


I don't think you got all your facts in order. Unbeknownst to most, China's 1 child policy only applies to population in bigger cities. In rural areas they can have 2 kids.
 
2013-01-09 09:02:46 PM  

mbillips: dahmers love zombie: I would bet that we'll have a worldwide pandemic of something seriously antibiotic resistant within 20 years or so.  It'll knock off around 1-2 billion of the world's population, mostly clustered in the areas like Mumbai, or Bayonne, or anywhere else they routinely chuck corpses into the river to dispose of 'em.  Panic and social disorder will account for a few tens of millions of those deaths.
That should relieve population pressures for a while.  Of course, it will be used as a vehicle to enact stupid, evil, or religiously-based laws.  But I repeat myself.  Anyway, it will entirely be the fault of Westerners insistence on a cheap-all-meat diet, combined with helicoptery parents who demand an antibiotic every time their child gets a sniffle or an owie.  Oh, and the lawyers.  Yes, it'll be their fault, too.  Hopefully the bacteria will be selectively lethal towards members of bar associations.  One can dream.

What were we talking about again?  Schtupping?  Good Lord, I hope when the pandemic comes, it isn't an STD.  Countries be bannin' sex if that happens.

While it seems alarmist, I think a total civilizational collapse is more likely than a minor drop in population. Once the population starts to fall, you get in a negative feedback loop -- fewer people equals less technology, plus environmental degradation equals less easily arable land and fertile fishing grounds equals fewer people, etc.

See "Collapse" by Jared Diamond for any number of historical precedents.

I don't think we'd ever come back, either. All the low-hanging resource fruit is gone. It's gonna be hunting and gathering for you, homo sapiens, until the star goes dim.


"Til the night closes in...."

I'll hunt and gather to that. Link
 
2013-01-09 09:03:08 PM  
There's so many of us
There's so many of us
There's so many
There's so many
There's so many of us
There's so many of us
There's so many
There's so many of us
There's so many of us
There's so many
There's so many
There's so many of us
There's so many of us
There's so many

/Lee Ving knows
 
2013-01-09 09:03:18 PM  

dericwater: ultramarinblaa: It seriously annoys me how every time people talk about birthrates, they get stuck on irrelevant shorterm problems.

The real question is: What is the ideal population of Earth?

It shouldn't be to small, so that pandemics or inbreeding becomes a serious risk. On the other hand it should leave plenty of space for natural resourses like rainforrests. I think 100-500 millions would be a good number.

That would be a terrible number for the ideal population of earth. I peg it at 9 billion.


People who actually study these things, as opposed to randomly speculating, peg the carrying capacity if Earth right about 500 million.
 
2013-01-09 09:06:01 PM  
The author notes the desire of women seeking a career as the determining factor causing the population decline in West but he misses the another important reason: Lack of jobs that pay a living wage. In the 50s and 60 it was possible for a single, male, high school grad to support a stay at home wife and at least a couple of kids. Try that today.
 
2013-01-09 09:15:31 PM  
Take a look around you, morons. We're never going to get off this rock. Enjoy the twilight years of the human race while you can.
 
2013-01-09 09:16:17 PM  
Not surprising that worldwide population may decline....as the only countries with large population growth is Islamic nations.

Even the Catholic nations in South America are having population slowdowns. And southern Africa is shrinking poulation massively due to HIV/AIDS, and their nations refusal to fight it realistically
 
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