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(Slate)   Turns out, no one is co-sponsoring Michele Bachmann's Obamacare repeal attempt because they've finally come to terms with the inevitable   (slate.com) divider line 96
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2013-01-09 04:03:16 PM  
Compare it to 2011. The new 112th Congress saw three repeal bills in addition to the "Repeal of the Job-Killing Health Care Law Act," which was actually supported by Republican leadership, went through the committee process, got 187 co-sponsors, and got 245 votes.

Good thing they put the words "job-killing" right there in the title, or else it might not have gotten such great support.

Republicans are so goddamn stupid it makes my head hurt.
 
2013-01-09 04:13:03 PM  
It may not have co-sponsors, but I would bet quite a bit of money that if Boehner put it to a vote it would pass.
 
2013-01-09 04:21:05 PM  
That she's batsh*t insane? Or that she won't sleep with them?
 
2013-01-09 04:30:26 PM  
They've learned to try and propose that bill on January 20, 2017 at about 12:05pm.
 
2013-01-09 04:34:24 PM  

Nadie_AZ: That she's batsh*t insane? Or that she won't sleep with them?


i'm guessing she and fellow iowan steve king regularly do the nasty. she certainly ain't getting any at home.
 
2013-01-09 04:40:06 PM  
I hope she doesn't own any guns.
 
2013-01-09 04:50:36 PM  
Finally.  Just close your eyes and think of Reagan.
 
2013-01-09 05:50:37 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: They've learned to try and propose that bill on January 20, 2017 at about 12:05pm.


you really think President H. Clinton will let that through?
 
2013-01-09 06:19:25 PM  
They'll probably just do what they have done with abortion in many states. Pass regulation after regulation until it's nearly impossible to do
 
2013-01-09 06:25:20 PM  

GAT_00: It may not have co-sponsors, but I would bet quite a bit of money that if Boehner put it to a vote it would pass.


Even if it were to pass the House, it'd die in the Senate. If it were somehow make through the Senate, Obama would stamp VETO on it as soon as it was handed to him.
 
2013-01-09 06:39:22 PM  

dustman81: GAT_00: It may not have co-sponsors, but I would bet quite a bit of money that if Boehner put it to a vote it would pass.

Even if it were to pass the House, it'd die in the Senate. If it were somehow make through the Senate, Obama would stamp VETO on it as soon as it was handed to him.


Then the right will whine incessantly that Obama is ruling by fiat and subverting the will of the people. Or something
 
2013-01-09 06:42:17 PM  
♫  She looked at me with those crazy eyes and said, you ain't seen derpin' yet...
Nonono, Baby, you just ain't seen derpin' yet... ♫
 
2013-01-09 06:53:20 PM  

Nadie_AZ: That she's batsh*t insane? Or that she won't sleep with them?


That she has Stearns Country Syndrome, which isn't her fault, really, but should be a significant bit of consideration when putting her into high office.
 
2013-01-09 06:57:47 PM  
Yes, much higher costs for everyone and an even greater doctor shortage for average Americans.
 
2013-01-09 06:58:39 PM  
Isnt this like the first bill she's ever introduced?
 
2013-01-09 07:00:22 PM  
It just boggles the mind how much money and time has been wasted on keeping this woman in office.
 
2013-01-09 07:00:58 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: Isnt this like the first bill she's ever introduced?


It was introduced 33 times in the last two years. Pretty sure she was tied to at least one of those attempts.
 
2013-01-09 07:02:08 PM  
We should have killed the insurance industry jobs and just gone straight to single payer.

Job Killing my farking ass, Bo.
 
2013-01-09 07:02:24 PM  
If they limit it to repealing the mandate then more people would get on board.
 
2013-01-09 07:05:25 PM  

jigger: If they limit it to repealing the mandate then more people would get on board.


Selfish conservative dipshiats who already have health insurance, sure.
 
2013-01-09 07:06:39 PM  

randomjsa: Yes, much higher costs for everyone and an even greater doctor shortage for average Americans.


Down with the AMA!
 
2013-01-09 07:07:42 PM  
Get this out of the way first:

www.shinmugen.net

Now then: if you'd told me 10 years ago that INSURANCE COMPANIES, one of the most reviled, joked-about, knee-jerk hostile industries this side of lawyers would be cast as heroes of the downtrodden and the poor in a mere 6 years, I'd have escorted you back to the asylum you sadly couldn't pay for a room in.
 
2013-01-09 07:09:05 PM  

Great_Milenko: Britney Spear's Speculum: Isnt this like the first bill she's ever introduced?

It was introduced 33 times in the last two years. Pretty sure she was tied to at least one of those attempts.


That's co-sponsorship, not introduction. I maybe wrong on the introduction part, I think. I think she did introduce an anti-incadescent lightbulb ban.
 
2013-01-09 07:10:50 PM  

BarrRepublican: We should have killed the insurance industry jobs and just gone straight to single payer.

Job Killing my farking ass, Bo.


I actually don't want a single payer. I like and believe in competition. But I would like to see basically people being able to buy into a public option (or even a government created non-profit entity) or even a medicare system as long as they paid for what it cost for that coverage.

That to me would mean the best of all world. Making a single payer makes it to easy for Republicans to cut it later and kill it like they are trying to do with SS and Medicare and destroy the whole thing.
 
2013-01-09 07:11:01 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: They've learned to try and propose that bill on January 20, 2017 at about 12:05pm.


I'm pretty sure that President Biden will veto it too.
 
2013-01-09 07:14:19 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: I think she did introduce an anti-incadescent lightbulb ban.


Another wonderful (and fiscal) use of taxpayer resources by the Tea Party, Ladies and Gentlemen!
 
2013-01-09 07:14:32 PM  

randomjsa: Yes, much higher costs for everyone and an even greater doctor shortage for average Americans.


I have a serious question for you:

"Doctor shortage" would be (amount of doctors)/(amount of people in America)

Are you saying the amount of doctors dropped because of ACA or more people magically showed up in the US?

I think we have about the same doctor/American ratio. You just seem to not be counting the Americans who used to not be able to afford insurance who couldn't see doctors as Americans.
 
2013-01-09 07:18:34 PM  

randomjsa: even greater doctor shortage for average Americans.


So sorry that it might take a couple days to get plastic surgery because someone poor is now getting life saving medical services that before they would not get.
 
2013-01-09 07:28:10 PM  

Corvus: randomjsa: even greater doctor shortage for average Americans.

So sorry that it might take a couple days to get plastic surgery because someone poor is now getting life saving medical services that before they would not get.


I AM ALSO OUTRAGED
 
2013-01-09 07:29:34 PM  

whidbey: Britney Spear's Speculum: I think she did introduce an anti-incadescent lightbulb ban.

Another wonderful (and fiscal) use of taxpayer resources by the Tea Party, Ladies and Gentlemen!


On top of that she blamed Obama for signing the ban...in 2007
 
2013-01-09 07:30:25 PM  
As a Canadian I just can't fathom health care not being a right. The idea that if you don't make enough money means you are dead is just insane to me. Yes, there is the odd story of people slipping thru the crack here but they are uncommon. There are also long waits for elective surgeries. There are also many stories of people slipping thru the cracks in the US as well coupled with lots of instances where insurance companies refused to pay for life saving surgeries and treatments for people because they had better lawyers and time as an advantage.

I just don't understand how, when you already pay more (taxpayer funded) per resident for healthcare than any country in the world, you think you have the best system in the world. My country and my regular taxes pay for my healthcare at a reasonable rate. Your country pays ridiculous amounts of money and does not guarantee any type of care. Somehow they have convinced you that it is the best. wow
 
2013-01-09 07:32:04 PM  
Crazy usually ends up alone...unless it takes everyone with it.
 
2013-01-09 07:35:52 PM  

FlashHarry: Nadie_AZ: That she's batsh*t insane? Or that she won't sleep with them?

i'm guessing she and fellow iowan steve king regularly do the nasty. she certainly ain't getting any at home.


i165.photobucket.com
img822.imageshack.us

From the original corndog thread.
 
2013-01-09 07:37:11 PM  

chumboobler: As a Canadian I just can't fathom health care not being a right. The idea that if you don't make enough money means you are dead is just insane to me.


It's called capitalism. And the prevailing notion is that we should be able to afford something like health care from the sweat of our brow, not from government. Never mind that it's expensive as shiat, and that getting a decent enough job to afford it is like playing musical chairs for most Americans.

We live in very self-flagellating times.
 
2013-01-09 07:37:58 PM  

Corvus: randomjsa: Yes, much higher costs for everyone and an even greater doctor shortage for average Americans.

I have a serious question for you:

"Doctor shortage" would be (amount of doctors)/(amount of people in America)

Are you saying the amount of doctors dropped because of ACA or more people magically showed up in the US?

I think we have about the same doctor/American ratio. You just seem to not be counting the Americans who used to not be able to afford insurance who couldn't see doctors as Americans.




It's like you actually expect him to come back and clean up the pile of threadshiat he left on the Metaphorical run.

He's using 2008 debunked talking points, on par with DEATH PANELS.
 
2013-01-09 07:40:51 PM  

Raharu: Corvus: randomjsa: Yes, much higher costs for everyone and an even greater doctor shortage for average Americans.

I have a serious question for you:

"Doctor shortage" would be (amount of doctors)/(amount of people in America)

Are you saying the amount of doctors dropped because of ACA or more people magically showed up in the US?

I think we have about the same doctor/American ratio. You just seem to not be counting the Americans who used to not be able to afford insurance who couldn't see doctors as Americans.

It's like you actually expect him to come back and clean up the pile of threadshiat he left on the Metaphorical run.

He's using 2008 debunked talking points, on par with DEATH PANELS.


Naw. I don't expect it. Just like pointing out how stupid his "logic" is.
 
2013-01-09 07:41:49 PM  

reklamfox: Corvus: randomjsa: even greater doctor shortage for average Americans.

So sorry that it might take a couple days to get plastic surgery because someone poor is now getting life saving medical services that before they would not get.

I AM ALSO OUTRAGED


MY OUTRAGE MAKES YOUR OUTRAGE LOOK LIKE QUIET CONTENTMENT.

wildcardjack: FlashHarry: Nadie_AZ: That she's batsh*t insane? Or that she won't sleep with them?

i'm guessing she and fellow iowan steve king regularly do the nasty. she certainly ain't getting any at home.

[i165.photobucket.com image 234x318]
[img822.imageshack.us image 380x290]

From the original corndog thread.


Now we're talkin'!
 
2013-01-09 07:43:51 PM  

Corvus: Raharu: Corvus: randomjsa: Yes, much higher costs for everyone and an even greater doctor shortage for average Americans.

I have a serious question for you:

"Doctor shortage" would be (amount of doctors)/(amount of people in America)

Are you saying the amount of doctors dropped because of ACA or more people magically showed up in the US?

I think we have about the same doctor/American ratio. You just seem to not be counting the Americans who used to not be able to afford insurance who couldn't see doctors as Americans.

It's like you actually expect him to come back and clean up the pile of threadshiat he left on the Metaphorical run.

He's using 2008 debunked talking points, on par with DEATH PANELS.

Naw. I don't expect it. Just like pointing out how stupid his "logic" is.



My Apologies.
Carry on then.
 
2013-01-09 07:45:44 PM  

BarrRepublican: We should have killed the insurance industry jobs and just gone straight to single payer.

Job Killing my farking ass, Bo.


Who would run "single payer"?  That's right - those very same insurance companies.
 
2013-01-09 07:47:34 PM  

Empty Matchbook: Get this out of the way first:

[www.shinmugen.net image 63x118]

Now then: if you'd told me 10 years ago that INSURANCE COMPANIES, one of the most reviled, joked-about, knee-jerk hostile industries this side of lawyers would be cast as heroes of the downtrodden and the poor in a mere 6 years, I'd have escorted you back to the asylum you sadly couldn't pay for a room in.


I don't think anybody's a friend of insurance companies here. If there were any decent souls there, they wouldn't need shiat like Obamacare to keep them in line.
 
2013-01-09 07:48:18 PM  

randomjsa: Yes, much higher costs for everyone and an even greater doctor shortage for average Americans.


Much higher psychological therapy costs for those, such as yourself, who live in a world of bitterness and ignorance.
 
2013-01-09 07:48:55 PM  

chumboobler: As a Canadian I just can't fathom health care not being a right. The idea that if you don't make enough money means you are dead is just insane to me. Yes, there is the odd story of people slipping thru the crack here but they are uncommon. There are also long waits for elective surgeries. There are also many stories of people slipping thru the cracks in the US as well coupled with lots of instances where insurance companies refused to pay for life saving surgeries and treatments for people because they had better lawyers and time as an advantage.

I just don't understand how, when you already pay more (taxpayer funded) per resident for healthcare than any country in the world, you think you have the best system in the world. My country and my regular taxes pay for my healthcare at a reasonable rate. Your country pays ridiculous amounts of money and does not guarantee any type of care. Somehow they have convinced you that it is the best. wow


Most of us here are well aware it's pretty far from the best system, which is why we're pushing for reform. Unfortunately, we have to argue with the Fox News drones.
 
2013-01-09 07:49:18 PM  

whidbey: chumboobler: As a Canadian I just can't fathom health care not being a right. The idea that if you don't make enough money means you are dead is just insane to me.

It's called capitalism. And the prevailing notion is that we should be able to afford something like health care from the sweat of our brow, not from government. Never mind that it's expensive as shiat, and that getting a decent enough job to afford it is like playing musical chairs for most Americans.

We live in very self-flagellating times.


Canada is not the "socialist" nation that some Americans say when they describe us. We have universal health care because we generally believe that all life is deserving of the best chance. We also have Bay Street, which is like Wall Street only a tenth or less of the size. We practice Capitalism here in Canada daily. We are very similar peoples as I have found in my extensive traveling in the USA. I guess my big point is that when you take a persons life and inject that into a "for profit" system it behooves the company that becomes financially responsible to spend as little as possible or to attempt to deny treatment at all. They have a legal responsibility to the shareholder to make the most money possible. I don't see how providing the best treatment possible and maximizing profits can possibly exist. I could be wrong.
 
2013-01-09 07:50:20 PM  

Raharu: Corvus: randomjsa: Yes, much higher costs for everyone and an even greater doctor shortage for average Americans.

I have a serious question for you:

"Doctor shortage" would be (amount of doctors)/(amount of people in America)

Are you saying the amount of doctors dropped because of ACA or more people magically showed up in the US?

I think we have about the same doctor/American ratio. You just seem to not be counting the Americans who used to not be able to afford insurance who couldn't see doctors as Americans.

It's like you actually expect him to come back and clean up the pile of threadshiat he left on the Metaphorical run.

He's using 2008 debunked talking points, on par with DEATH PANELS.


If the market demands it, won't there be more doctors? Isn't this the same GOP talking point since forever? Why is it the invisible hand of the market doesn't work here?
 
2013-01-09 07:56:30 PM  

coeyagi: Raharu: Corvus: randomjsa: Yes, much higher costs for everyone and an even greater doctor shortage for average Americans.

I have a serious question for you:

"Doctor shortage" would be (amount of doctors)/(amount of people in America)

Are you saying the amount of doctors dropped because of ACA or more people magically showed up in the US?

I think we have about the same doctor/American ratio. You just seem to not be counting the Americans who used to not be able to afford insurance who couldn't see doctors as Americans.

It's like you actually expect him to come back and clean up the pile of threadshiat he left on the Metaphorical run.

He's using 2008 debunked talking points, on par with DEATH PANELS.

If the market demands it, won't there be more doctors? Isn't this the same GOP talking point since forever? Why is it the invisible hand of the market doesn't work here?


Because a blah Democrat is in the "White" House.
 
2013-01-09 08:07:59 PM  

gingerjet: BarrRepublican: We should have killed the insurance industry jobs and just gone straight to single payer.

Job Killing my farking ass, Bo.

Who would run "single payer"?  That's right - those very same insurance companies.


You don't know what words mean, do you?
 
2013-01-09 08:08:45 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: They've learned to try and propose that bill on January 20, 2017 at about 12:05pm.


...and then President Biden would whip out his big-ass veto pen and say, "You're gonna need some ebil gubmint healthcare for THIS, biatch!"

/And by "big-ass veto pen" I mean "Larger than normal Bic pen with red ink that the President uses for vetoes."
//...Why? What did you think I mean?
 
2013-01-09 08:10:45 PM  

chumboobler: whidbey: chumboobler: As a Canadian I just can't fathom health care not being a right. The idea that if you don't make enough money means you are dead is just insane to me.

It's called capitalism. And the prevailing notion is that we should be able to afford something like health care from the sweat of our brow, not from government. Never mind that it's expensive as shiat, and that getting a decent enough job to afford it is like playing musical chairs for most Americans.

We live in very self-flagellating times.

Canada is not the "socialist" nation that some Americans say when they describe us. We have universal health care because we generally believe that all life is deserving of the best chance. We also have Bay Street, which is like Wall Street only a tenth or less of the size. We practice Capitalism here in Canada daily. We are very similar peoples as I have found in my extensive traveling in the USA. I guess my big point is that when you take a persons life and inject that into a "for profit" system it behooves the company that becomes financially responsible to spend as little as possible or to attempt to deny treatment at all. They have a legal responsibility to the shareholder to make the most money possible. I don't see how providing the best treatment possible and maximizing profits can possibly exist. I could be wrong.


Yes, but American Exceptionalism means that any one of us can go from poverty to riches as long as we don't mind giving our fellow citizens the Sweeney Todd treatment (delicious, by the way). Keeping everyone* equally unhealthy and/or morbidly overweight just levels the playing field by making them easier to snare or drop into a spike pit. Our Founding Fathers understood that Darwinism was a profound social metaphor, not some literal sciencey thing, and that's why we have the best health care on Earth that we can afford.

*Well, nearly everyone. The ultra-wealthy and their hoarding and their excellent health care are basically just managerial overhead, and any economic system is going to have some of that.
 
2013-01-09 08:16:08 PM  

PainInTheASP: Finally.  Just close your eyes and think of Reagan.


Are you farking kidding me? That RINO raised taxes 11 times, and over saw the largest increase in any state while governor. You libs might worship Reagan, but not us patriots.
 
2013-01-09 08:20:39 PM  

chumboobler: As a Canadian I just can't fathom health care not being a right. The idea that if you don't make enough money means you are dead is just insane to me. Yes, there is the odd story of people slipping thru the crack here but they are uncommon. There are also long waits for elective surgeries. There are also many stories of people slipping thru the cracks in the US as well coupled with lots of instances where insurance companies refused to pay for life saving surgeries and treatments for people because they had better lawyers and time as an advantage.

I just don't understand how, when you already pay more (taxpayer funded) per resident for healthcare than any country in the world, you think you have the best system in the world. My country and my regular taxes pay for my healthcare at a reasonable rate. Your country pays ridiculous amounts of money and does not guarantee any type of care. Somehow they have convinced you that it is the best. wow


Of course we americans pay more than any other country for healthcare. Because we're number one! USA! USA! USA!
 
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