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2013-01-10 03:28:54 AM  

dr-shotgun: The argument that the 2nd Amendment's intent is to protect us from a tyrannical government is sort of obscene, since it will never happen.

More appropriately, an AR-15 should be kept around for those times that the government is no longer there.

It isn't so far fetched a scenario. The LA Riots. Isaac, Katrina, Sandy. All events where major metropolitan area police departments were simply unable to keep order. All events where armed citizens worked together to effectively defend their neighborhoods from looters or criminals.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 600x400]


Another perfect 10. I love all the shotguns in that picture.
 
2013-01-10 03:32:14 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Giltric: Nobody fantasizes about this kind of shiat,

You clearly do.

Giltric: Do you fantasize about being saved by an airbag or seatbelt?

I don't train every day on what happens if I were to get into an accident. And the chances that I'll be in an accident are orders of magnitude higher than if you were to need to clear your own house of multiple armed burglers/troops armed with enough firepower that you need several 30 round magazines to dispatch them without you being killed first.


Do you have any confidence in your argument without resorting to exaggerating or putting words in peoples mouths?
 
2013-01-10 03:33:27 AM  

Giltric: Do you have any confidence in your argument without resorting to exaggerating or putting words in peoples mouths


Where was the exaggeration? Apparently you need 30 rounds to "clear your house"

What words did I put into your mouth?
 
2013-01-10 03:34:04 AM  
I think "executive orders" on something that is directly protected under the constitution would be a bad deal.
 
2013-01-10 03:35:10 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Well, now that we know you're a lousy shot anyway


We shall see...I hope to start competing in 3 gun this year and maybe the National Match at Perry this or next year
 
2013-01-10 03:36:57 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Giltric: cameroncrazy1984: Giltric: Obama has voted against firearms owners (maybe even self defense depending on how you view it) as a senator

Citation needed.

the bill

the vote record

Ah, you mean as a State Senator. And all that bill did was provide a legal loophole for people who own firearms in municipalities that have local gun bans if they violate that gun ban in using the weapon in what can be construed as a self-defence situation. I find no problem with him voting against it. It doesn't ban guns, or even have anything to do with gun ownership at all.


Do you not believe in self defense?
 
2013-01-10 03:37:11 AM  

TheJoe03: My point never relied on US troops attacking citizens honestly, it was that the right to bear arms gives them a chance. That's why it's in our constitution.


Ostensibly, the 2nd amendment is in the constitution for the defense of the country, not for rebelling against it.
 
2013-01-10 03:39:57 AM  
Another perfect 10. I love all the shotguns in that picture.

Here is my shotgun and my primary AR. Neither is junk. Both are pretty well set up with optics, lights and slings (taken off).

Something goes bump in the night, I'm grabbing the Noveske. It is the better weapon for when you need a weapon.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-10 03:40:23 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Giltric: Do you have any confidence in your argument without resorting to exaggerating or putting words in peoples mouths

Where was the exaggeration? Apparently you need 30 rounds to "clear your house"

What words did I put into your mouth?


burglers/troops armed with enough firepower that you need several 30 round magazines to dispatch them without you being killed first.


Am I not being fair ...by using your exaggerations as a cite?
 
2013-01-10 03:40:24 AM  

Giltric: demaL-demaL-yeH: Well, now that we know you're a lousy shot anyway

We shall see...I hope to start competing in 3 gun this year and maybe the National Match at Perry this or next year


You should know to use the right tool for the job:
Shotgun. is. by. far. superior. for. home. defense.
AR-15 is superior for playing dress-up.
Even though I'm a southpaw, a Garand chambered in .308 beats the bejabbers out of the M-16 (or the feed-jam-o-matic M-10).
 
2013-01-10 03:44:46 AM  

dr-shotgun: Another perfect 10. I love all the shotguns in that picture.

Here is my shotgun and my primary AR. Neither is junk. Both are pretty well set up with optics, lights and slings (taken off).

Something goes bump in the night, I'm grabbing the Noveske. It is the better weapon for when you need a weapon.

[i.imgur.com image 850x1133]


That bottom one is a sex toy, isn't it?
/Another perfect 10.
 
2013-01-10 03:47:09 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: That bottom one is a sex toy, isn't it?


Looks like Kel-Tecs "you won't go back" model
 
2013-01-10 03:47:42 AM  
That bottom one is a sex toy, isn't it?

Have you shot a KSG?

The recoil is... painful. Kills on one side, wounds on the other.

Also, while you get 15 rounds onboard (7+7+1), you better solve the problem with those 15. While if you can't solve the problem with those 15, you are likely VERY farked, it is basically impossible to reload under stress. Lots of little hangup points and edges in the feed area.
 
2013-01-10 03:48:45 AM  

Giltric: Do you not believe in self defense?


Sure, but if you live in an area that has a gun ban I don't believe you should get away with breaking the law just because someone shot at you and you shot back.
 
2013-01-10 03:50:04 AM  

Giltric: burglers/troops armed with enough firepower that you need several 30 round magazines to dispatch them without you being killed first.


Am I not being fair ...by using your exaggerations as a cite?


I'm just extrapolating from your insistence that you need 30 and not, say, a 10 round mag and a spare. Those were the only two possibilities that I could think of where that would be necessary. Am I not correct?
 
2013-01-10 03:51:31 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Giltric: Do you not believe in self defense?

Sure, but if you live in an area that has a gun ban I don't believe you should get away with breaking the law just because someone shot at you and you shot back.


Odd that you would rather hamstring the victimvia a gun ban instead of leveling the playing field.

Do you do alot of breaking and entering by chance?
 
2013-01-10 03:51:57 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Even though I'm a southpaw, a Garand chambered in .308 beats the bejabbers out of the M-16 (or the feed-jam-o-matic M-10).


I've learned to shoot right-handed thanks to my grandfather's M-1. Lovely.
 
2013-01-10 03:52:33 AM  

Giltric: cameroncrazy1984: Giltric: Do you not believe in self defense?

Sure, but if you live in an area that has a gun ban I don't believe you should get away with breaking the law just because someone shot at you and you shot back.

Odd that you would rather hamstring the victimvia a gun ban instead of leveling the playing field.

Do you do alot of breaking and entering by chance?


I'd rather people follow the law, myself. But that's just me.
 
2013-01-10 03:59:34 AM  

dr-shotgun: That bottom one is a sex toy, isn't it?

Have you shot a KSG?

The recoil is... painful. Kills on one side, wounds on the other.

Also, while you get 15 rounds onboard (7+7+1), you better solve the problem with those 15. While if you can't solve the problem with those 15, you are likely VERY farked, it is basically impossible to reload under stress. Lots of little hangup points and edges in the feed area.


Benelli. Because the needs for common sense and to conform to three hundred years of ergonomics don't go away when you make it look like a sex toy.
 
2013-01-10 04:00:57 AM  
You all realize that this debate doesn't matter, right?

What's gonna come of all this? I predict the end of private sales, all transfers will require a NICS check through an FFL. More mental health checks and strengthening the system. More stringent enforcement of the 20,000 gun laws already on the books. Yadda Yadda Yadda.

All the NRA has to do is walk into every Democrat congress critter's office and just say "1994." Most of the Democrats are in safe seats where their constituents drive Priuses and think guns are for rednecks anyhow, so they will tell the NRA to piss off.

For those Democrats in gerrymandered purple districts though, the words 1994 will conjure up an electoral slaughter and the vote that basically took all the steam out of the otherwise extraordinarily strong Democrat agenda. They will remember the 40 something seats they lost. The fact that the VP on their ticket didn't even carry his home state in the next election. That they drove home this massive wedge issue and handed the GOP house control (effectively) through 2022. That the GOP house than neutered Clinton's second term with the Monica scandal.

And all of that for an Assault Weapons Ban that everyone who has ever studied it honestly will say did absolutely nothing to effect (already dropping) violent crime. While DiFi might not say it, she knows damn well that the number of people killed with assault weapons is a rounding error in the statistics.

The NRA will remind congress of 1994, and this whole debate will be over before it even really starts.
 
2013-01-10 04:01:47 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: I'd rather people follow the law, myself. But that's just me.



Me too...but people keep ignoring that shall not be infringed part and they may start trying to circumvent the legislative process via executive order if they can't get their way.

We are more alike than we are different.
 
2013-01-10 04:04:42 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: demaL-demaL-yeH: Even though I'm a southpaw, a Garand chambered in .308 beats the bejabbers out of the M-16 (or the feed-jam-o-matic M-10).

I've learned to shoot right-handed thanks to my grandfather's M-1. Lovely.


Father's M1911A1. And the Garand.

The M-16 introduced a built-in brass deflector that kept the brass from blistering my face when I fired left-handed, so I tried it and found I shoot straighter southpaw.
 
2013-01-10 04:05:51 AM  

hasty ambush: WordyGrrl: Bit'O'Gristle: There is no easy answer, except outlaw guns except for hunting. To be kept at the range locked up when not used.

Or we could really enforce the 2nd Amendment and require all gun owners to meet weekly/monthly at the nearest town square for a few hours of marching practice and basic infantry tactics. Ya know, sort of like a well-regulated militia.

/If that happens, I get dibs on the beer and pork rinds concession stand.

As has been pointed out that is not part of the 2nd Amendment but we could enforce Title Sec. 311. Militia: composition and classes

-STATUTE-
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied
males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section
313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a
declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States
and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the
National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are -
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard
and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of
the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the
Naval Militia. 10 of the US code:


I get what you're saying, and I do comprehend the code and Supremes' rulings. I'm thinking more along the lines of what might have been the original intent of the founders and the 1700s-era definition of militia. At a time when few countries kept large standing armies in peacetime, it would make sense to require all able-bodied men to acquire some level of military training (in addition to being able to shoot a musket or rifle) should the country need to raise an army. That's the "well-regulated" part I'm talking about, and I think it would be hilarious to see the stereotypical Cletus doing pushups and march in order to retain his "militia" ID card.
 
2013-01-10 04:08:30 AM  
Benelli. Because the needs for common sense and to conform to three hundred years of ergonomics don't go away when you make it look like a sex toy.

I call your Benelli, and give you points for good taste on the M2. But I'll raise you a SCAR 17 for the win, because it is simply the most flexible, reliable, accurate and terminally devastating long gun that exists.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-10 04:40:50 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Shotgun. is. by. far. superior. for. home. defense.
AR-15 is superior for playing dress-up.


I suppose that depends on the house and the situation, but I won't argue the details.

AR-15s are extremely common in competitions as well (see the National Matches as an example). I'm not sure if that counts as "dress-up", but there's plenty of perfectly legitimate reasons to own or use one.

Even though I'm a southpaw, a Garand chambered in .308 beats the bejabbers out of the M-16 (or the feed-jam-o-matic M-10).

Heh. I'm also a lefty. A few years ago I went to Front Sight for a rifle course with a friend. 90% of the class had ARs, one guy had a lever action gun, and another had a bolt-action rifle. To be different, a friend of mine brought her AK (one of the Bulgarian-made Arsenal AK clones -- really a nice gun) and I brought my post-WWII-era .30-06 M1. Everyone had a great time and I got a fair number of comments on the use of the M1 (mostly about how it was beating the crap out of the steel targets even from a few hundred meters away). The M1's got the best sight picture with iron sights out of any rifle I've ever fired.

That said, the ergonomics and recoil management of the AR are better and they're a hell of a lot cheaper to shoot. I miss the days when mil-surp M2 Ball was dirt cheap and plentiful. I reload .30-06 but it's still a painful amount of money for components as the case requires a relatively large volume of powder. Additionally, one need to match the pressure with the mil-spec ammo lest you damage the rifle's op-rod. Buying crates of 5.56mm NATO is a lot cheaper.

/in addition to the M1 and two ARs, I've got an eclectic mix of guns that I've picked up over the years.
//I have a serious fondness for .22LR, particularly when shooting with the suppressor.
 
2013-01-10 05:44:26 AM  
Actual assault weapons or "assault" weapons by feinstein's "even your off-the-rack ten gauge counts" definition?

Because I don't really have any issues with further restrictions on full auto, honestly I'm a bit confused why you don't have to have a permit to possess them in the first place (just illegal to buy them, so you can apply after-market kits to convert them without a permit, albeit with the usual "you can't actually use this anywhere but your own property" issues).
 
2013-01-10 05:53:24 AM  

AbbeySomeone: I can understand rifles and pistols but why do people need the big weaponry ie, assault rifles, etc?


Because gang-baners, drug cartels and the government all have them.

Next?
 
2013-01-10 06:09:58 AM  
What's the real reason for gun confiscation?
 
2013-01-10 06:14:45 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: skyshooter: Was out today to try and buy two guns, (both pistols), nobody had any in stock, they were plentiful 2 weeks ago. All 9mm, .223/.556 along with even .22LR ammo was completely out at two of the stores I was at in Dallas, TX. Other big selling ammo was scarce .45ACP only a few boxes of expensive stuff, lots of .38 and .38sp ammo availible, 7.62x39 very scarce and expensive. Ammo prices have gone up on average 25% since Jan. 1st.

A friend was at "Cheaper than Dirt" gunstore (McKinney, TX) last week when they announced over the loudspeaker, in the store, that anyone currently holding an AR with a salesperson or doing paperwork, at that time was in - no more sales were made in store until all AR prices were raised that hour. They increased an average of $600-800 per rifle for most every AR, and still sold out of inventory on hand that day.

At the local Dallas Gun Show this past weekend saw every AR being snapped up, that was in the $1,000 price range and then offered for resale at $3,000+ most shops here have stopped selling for the moment or are jacking prices up to rediculous levels. At one I went to only a member could purchase AR or AK (adds $100 to the price if you aren't already a member of the range). Another friend said as soon as Sandy Hook had happened and the gun ban talk started he has been getting calls from at least 5 different friends, asking him if he would sell them, one of his AR's from his collection - so far he is not selling, but said he might if prices start hitting $5K (he's in most of his rifles for under $800.00 and has a lot of them.

Obama continues to be the gunsales person of the year since 2008 here in Texas.

This paranoid, panicked, obsessive buying and stockpiling is not the behavior of people who should be anywhere near firearms.


I agree, and didn't buy anything (I'm not parinoid) just had some cash burning a hole in my pockets for a change, this will calm down. The items I want to get shouldn't be affected by any bans anyways, nothing military - black or scary looking one 9mm and another .22LR pistol.

I almost sold two boxes of 9mm I had in the trunk to a guy complaining about the lack of ammo at one shop. I told him he could have them for $100/each I had paid $70.00/each 2 weeks ago for them, he thought it was too much - but then said he'd probably regret not taking them off my hands in a few days if the ammo didn't come back on the shelves.

Way too many paranoid people have guns that probably shouldn't have any business having them.
 
2013-01-10 06:48:13 AM  

Deep Contact: What's the real reason for gun confiscation?


Using fear to gain power.

The US has a long history of organized violence that's been a stumbling block to bureaucrats and authoritarians. It makes even simple actions, like strike breaking or extradition, into very dangerous and messy affairs. It turns things like a poorly thought out drug policy into a visible and painful war.

There are people who think they can fix things by gaining more control over the public. The same kinds of people who thought they could fix the hippy problem by banning weed think they can fix the violence problem by changing the tools we use. If they can dictate more of your life, surely they can stop you from doing wrong things.

When they are confronted with a problem, its always control-o'clock.
 
2013-01-10 06:59:02 AM  

mark12A: Hey, if Congress won't act, it makes sense for Obama to do something.

Yeah, to hell with that separation of powers crap. We need a President for Life! Much more efficient.

/if he does an executive order, the civil war will start


If you do not believe this, you are not paying attention. If he does an executive order, I would UNDERSTAND the gun nuts starting a civil war.
 
2013-01-10 06:59:27 AM  
We didn't ban drones when it was Obama killing multiple innocent brown children. Why are the brown ones worth less, Mr. President?
 
2013-01-10 07:04:09 AM  

Xcott: TheJoe03: My point never relied on US troops attacking citizens honestly, it was that the right to bear arms gives them a chance. That's why it's in our constitution.

Ostensibly, the 2nd amendment is in the constitution for the defense of the country, not for rebelling against it.


what incompetent history teacher told you that?

the second amendment is there to keep our government a tiny bit afraid of revolution. The framers of the bill of rights had JUST DEFEATED a world superpower largely because the rifles the frontiersmen had were BETTER than the the british army. Not as good, but BETTER. A technological advantage over the people they were rebelling against.

THAT is why they insisted on this amendment.
 
2013-01-10 07:05:05 AM  

way south: Deep Contact: What's the real reason for gun confiscation?

Using fear to gain power.

The US has a long history of organized violence that's been a stumbling block to bureaucrats and authoritarians. It makes even simple actions, like strike breaking or extradition, into very dangerous and messy affairs. It turns things like a poorly thought out drug policy into a visible and painful war.

There are people who think they can fix things by gaining more control over the public. The same kinds of people who thought they could fix the hippy problem by banning weed think they can fix the violence problem by changing the tools we use. If they can dictate more of your life, surely they can stop you from doing wrong things.

When they are confronted with a problem, its always control-o'clock.


Whoa. I've never, ever agreed with anything you've posted before. It's...strange. Are you a broken clock, or am I crazy and wrong on this issue?
 
2013-01-10 07:09:51 AM  
This is a matter for the White Community, Mr. President.

What does Obama know about White-on-White crime?
 
2013-01-10 07:25:48 AM  

TopoGigo: way south: Deep Contact: What's the real reason for gun confiscation?

Using fear to gain power.

The US has a long history of organized violence that's been a stumbling block to bureaucrats and authoritarians. It makes even simple actions, like strike breaking or extradition, into very dangerous and messy affairs. It turns things like a poorly thought out drug policy into a visible and painful war.

There are people who think they can fix things by gaining more control over the public. The same kinds of people who thought they could fix the hippy problem by banning weed think they can fix the violence problem by changing the tools we use. If they can dictate more of your life, surely they can stop you from doing wrong things.

When they are confronted with a problem, its always control-o'clock.

Whoa. I've never, ever agreed with anything you've posted before. It's...strange. Are you a broken clock, or am I crazy and wrong on this issue?


If protecting our rights from the man is wrong, do you want to be right?
 
2013-01-10 07:40:27 AM  

RickN99: Damn it! I've been trying to buy an AR-15 for 3 months as my Christmas present to myself. Between the empty shelves and the jacked-up prices, I have been waiting for things to settle down.

This is not helping!


Might I suggest:
sgcusa.com

Acurate, compact, and takes standard AR-15 Mags
 
2013-01-10 07:56:47 AM  
 
2013-01-10 07:59:53 AM  

Infernalist: Good. Long overdue.

Suck it, gun nuts.


lol funny seeing how he can't ban guns with an executive order. It's illegal.

Suck it, libtard.
 
2013-01-10 08:01:32 AM  

AbbeySomeone: I can understand rifles and pistols but why do people need the big weaponry ie, assault rifles, etc?


They have them so no one can take them away from them, along with all our other freedoms.

I know trying to use your brain to see why that statement makes sense, but I think even you can figure it out.
 
2013-01-10 08:01:51 AM  

MythDragon: RickN99: Damn it! I've been trying to buy an AR-15 for 3 months as my Christmas present to myself. Between the empty shelves and the jacked-up prices, I have been waiting for things to settle down.

This is not helping!

Might I suggest:
[sgcusa.com image 850x374]

Acurate, compact, and takes standard AR-15 Mags


That is the ugliest gun I have ever seen.
 
2013-01-10 08:20:09 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Actual assault weapons or "assault" weapons by feinstein's "even your off-the-rack ten gauge counts" definition?

Because I don't really have any issues with further restrictions on full auto, honestly I'm a bit confused why you don't have to have a permit to possess them in the first place (just illegal to buy them, so you can apply after-market kits to convert them without a permit, albeit with the usual "you can't actually use this anywhere but your own property" issues).


I'm sorry, but you have no idea what you are talking about. Try converting any semi to full auto and then tell the feds that you were only using it on your own property, have fun in PMITA federal lock up for a long time.
 
2013-01-10 08:21:37 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: pmdgrwr: All this with laws against drug use. How are more gun laws going to be different.

Well for starters, it's hard to grow guns in your basement.


You'd be surprised. Would you like me to email you the plans for STEN submachine guns that the Brits dropped to resistance movements during WWII so they could manufacture them in home workshops?
 
2013-01-10 08:38:05 AM  

dr-shotgun: Another perfect 10. I love all the shotguns in that picture.

Here is my shotgun and my primary AR. Neither is junk. Both are pretty well set up with optics, lights and slings (taken off).

Something goes bump in the night, I'm grabbing the Noveske. It is the better weapon for when you need a weapon.

[i.imgur.com image 850x1133]


How are you liking that KSG? I've not had much luck in finding one.

You know with gun and ammo prices going crazy now, I'd hate to see what a 'pre-ban' AR will go for AFTER a ban.
 
2013-01-10 08:50:59 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Biden did not specify what kind of action the president might take. In the past the Obama administration has used executive orders, which have the force of law, to require gun dealers to report when customers buy multiple high-powered rifles and to increase penalties for violating gun laws. A new order, nearly certain to face legal challenges, could seek to tighten enforcement of laws governing private sales of guns or to beef up background checks.

/You know, this would be fine, if crazy nut jub wackholes would follow the law, and criminals in general. But sadly, they don't. A background check isn't going to do any good for a situation where a guy breaks in and steals the guns, or some guy's son takes them and goes on a rampage. There is no easy answer, except outlaw guns except for hunting. To be kept at the range locked up when not used. And its too late for that, you will never....ever..get everyone to just turn in all their guns. The only people who would, are law abiding folks, the criminals would keep theirs. Duh. The damage has been done already. There are too many guns out there now. No way to get them back unless he can manage a search warrant for every house in the usa.


What's the problem with allowing a search of every house in the US? Only trouble makers and people with something to hide would have issues with it.

Once these guns are made illeagal it is the end of the discussion. If you are a true patriot you must comply with this controlled substance ban or your not a real American and you will deserve what's coming to you.
 
2013-01-10 09:11:23 AM  

Xcott:
... The only thing that really would have stopped Newtown is if the killer's mom had gravitated to some other hobby. For whatever reason, collecting and shooting assault rifles is really in right now, so that's what she got into.


Being willing to commit murder and all, you don't think he could have gotten his hands on any other firearms? Or propane? Or fertilizer and diesel fuel? Gasoline?

Once saw (during a law enforcement shooting course) an eye-opening demonstration of the damage a man can do with a knife in ten seconds. Since Sandy Hook, I've been thinking that a similar demonstration would be a revelation: take one of those nerf™ water-floatation noodle thingies. Cut it to the approximate length of a machete. Burst into a kindergarten and see how many skulls you could simulate splitting. Bet it would be an impressive number.

And I'm sure everyone would understand that it was just a demonstration and be grateful for the education.
 
2013-01-10 09:20:52 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: T... in this day and age, owning a firearm "as a defense against the government" is about the silliest reason imaginable.


I know. Except for Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Somalia and Lebanon, when have armed peasants ever been able to defeat our modern army?
 
2013-01-10 09:37:37 AM  

Fluorescent Testicle: And I may suddenly mutate into a dragon that breathes lightning and shiats diamonds.

Come back when you morons have something more concrete than "May," "Might" or "Could."


Yeah, not gonna debate the deta

odinsposse: Oh, and there are about 80,000 alcohol related deaths per year. Cite


Which is why we shouldn't even have police. Obviously, if we have fewer homicides than alcohol related deaths each year, then solving the issue of murders, rapes and robberies just isn't worth it.

Glad we're on the same page.
 
2013-01-10 09:50:19 AM  

dr-shotgun: The argument that the 2nd Amendment's intent is to protect us from a tyrannical government is sort of obscene, since it will never happen.

More appropriately, an AR-15 should be kept around for those times that the government is no longer there.

It isn't so far fetched a scenario. The LA Riots. Isaac, Katrina, Sandy. All events where major metropolitan area police departments were simply unable to keep order. All events where armed citizens worked together to effectively defend their neighborhoods from looters or criminals.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 600x400]


Has it occurred to you that the reason the police walked off the jobs under those circumstances was that they were to afraid to try and do their job in such a heavily armed society?

I wouldn't go to work either if all my clients were armed to the teeth and wanted to kill me.
 
2013-01-10 09:52:28 AM  

Oblio13: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: pmdgrwr: All this with laws against drug use. How are more gun laws going to be different.

Well for starters, it's hard to grow guns in your basement.


Anyone can put together submachine guns out of off the shelf parts they can buy at the hardware store.
 
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