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2013-01-09 06:20:28 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Clash City Farker: RulerOfNone: Is a 444 Raging Bull considered an "assault weapon"?

What about a 1966 Beatles Revolver?

Only three hits in 28 minutes so probably not.


www.appygamesblog.com
You magnificent bastard biatch.  I'll read yer book.
 
2013-01-09 06:20:37 PM  

ghare: cameroncrazy1984: pmdgrwr: Those against guns have this delusion that state and police will protect them. The state and police can not and will not protect you, you have to protect yourself

Yet another loon who thinks this is the Old West for some reason.

Yep, they can ALL whip out their weapon so fast they can take out the guy with a gun who has the drop on them...and has squeezed off a dozen rounds before they even know what's happening.


Gonzalez v Castle Rock. Went to the Supreme Court. The Justices ruled that the police have no duty to protect a citizen from crime, that their job is to investigate the crime after the fact and attempt to apprehend the perpetrator.
 
2013-01-09 06:21:42 PM  
if he does this i'm leaving and taking my three degrees (me+wife) and ninja smart son with me. america the "stupidful". i won't even care. i'll cook coke or meth for a cartel in mexico.
 
2013-01-09 06:21:43 PM  

Fark It: Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Fark It: I'll consider more restrictions on my guns once they kill as many children as Obama's drone attacks.

/voted for him in 2008, gave money to his campaign
//never again, 3rd party for me here on out

Drone strikes have killed about 200 children worldwide since 2004.

Guns Killed 5,728 kids in America in 2008-2009.

So... You ready to come to the table now?

How many of those kids were really teenagers involved in gang activity, and how am I in any way responsible for them? Why is it that whenever a bunch of ghetto animals shoot at each other as a result of the drug war or some lunatic goes on a shooting rampage we look to gun owners (80 million Americans) and say 'bite the pillow, for the children!'


Look how fast those goalposts move from a dishonest person. Amazing he had the strength to carry them. Just ignore this idiot please.
 
2013-01-09 06:23:48 PM  

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Fark It: I'll consider more restrictions on my guns once they kill as many children as Obama's drone attacks.

/voted for him in 2008, gave money to his campaign
//never again, 3rd party for me here on out

Drone strikes have killed about 200 children worldwide since 2004.

Guns Killed 5,728 kids in America in 2008-2009.

So... You ready to come to the table now?


200 children? Where are you getting your numbers from?
 
2013-01-09 06:24:06 PM  

here to help: Dear, every fooking idiot who compares alcohol/tobacco deaths to gun deaths...

If I drink and smoke MYSELF to death that's my god damned problem. If YOU go on a shooting rampage or leave your penis extensions laying around for your psychotic crotchbooger f*ck trophies or Cracky McCrackenstein to steal then YOU are the problem.

Your pathetic attempts to justify your need for more than a revolver in the nightstand to protect your family are exactly that... pathetic.

G0BOOGER!


To play devil's advocate here:

Replace alcohol in your statement with guns and it works the other way.

You may use alcohol safely in a way that affect you only that is legal. So can a firearm owner.

Firearm are used illegally/improperly and people are hurt. Same with alcohol. Family damage, people with multiple dui's and dui accidents on there records. Alcohol use affected many lives of those who had no say in the situation.

Safe(r), legal & responsible use is fine. There are INDIVIDUALS who choose to use them in other manners.

If you can use alcohol where it only affects you, why can't another do the same of firearms?

/end devil's advocate
 
2013-01-09 06:24:53 PM  

sprawl15: Oh, irony.


Your inability to read is not ironic.
 
2013-01-09 06:24:54 PM  

HartRend: pmdgrwr: cameroncrazy1984: pmdgrwr: Those against guns have this delusion that state and police will protect them. The state and police can not and will not protect you, you have to protect yourself

Yet another loon who thinks this is the Old West for some reason.

Says the poster who thinks that more gun control, more legislation, more governemnt is the answer.

At least I do not fool myself into thinking that morality can be legislated.

Where was the police when all of the shootings we have had. No place to be found.

If you do your own research, you will discover that SCOTUS has upheld the ruling that the police actually have zero duty to protect and or serve.

Agreed. I am not the one with that delusion that police will protect us. It is the gun control folks who believe police are their to protect us.
 
2013-01-09 06:24:57 PM  

HartRend: CRIMINALS DO NOT FOLLOW LAWS

OUTLAWING GUNS DOES NOT DO A DAMN THING TO THE BAD GUYS

ONLY THE GOOD GUYS FOLLOW THE LAW

OUTLAWING GUNS ONLY TAKES AWAY FROM THE GOOD GUYS


Where are the bad guys getting their guns?
 
2013-01-09 06:25:15 PM  

HartRend: CRIMINALS DO NOT FOLLOW LAWS

OUTLAWING GUNS DOES NOT DO A DAMN THING TO THE BAD GUYS

ONLY THE GOOD GUYS FOLLOW THE LAW

OUTLAWING GUNS ONLY TAKES AWAY FROM THE GOOD GUYS


Less guns in the community pool make it more costly for the criminals. Stricter regulations on who can own firearms makes it harder for those with criminal inclinations or mental health issues to acquire weapons. If they acquire them through illegal means and get caught? PMITA prison for a huge chunk of their lives.

It will get better.
Also legalize all drugs and your murder rate will drop drastically as will the need for a shameless arsenal in your homes.
 
2013-01-09 06:25:57 PM  

AbbeySomeone: I can understand rifles and pistols but why do people need the big weaponry ie, assault rifles, etc?


I can understand compacts and sub-compacts, but why do people need cars that go over 60 MPH?
 
2013-01-09 06:26:17 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: umad: It's about damn time we got rid of that pesky amendment process! The president should be able to change whatever he wants in the constitution. I look forward to the Republicans using executive orders to further amend that worthless piece of paper the next time they win the office. What could possibly go wrong?

AbbeySomeone: I can understand rifles and pistols but why do people need the big weaponry ie, assault rifles, etc?

The AR15 is one of the smallest rifle calibers there is. You don't understand it because surprise, surprise, you don't know shiat about guns and base your arguments on feelings rather than logic. TMYK.


The .223 round is completely ineffective and almost non-lethal. That's why the US military uses it.

Thanks for clearing that up for us all.


Ok genius. If the .223 is considered "big weaponry" then what do you propose should be legal?
 
2013-01-09 06:26:44 PM  

justtray: Fark It: Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Fark It: I'll consider more restrictions on my guns once they kill as many children as Obama's drone attacks.

/voted for him in 2008, gave money to his campaign
//never again, 3rd party for me here on out

Drone strikes have killed about 200 children worldwide since 2004.

Guns Killed 5,728 kids in America in 2008-2009.

So... You ready to come to the table now?

How many of those kids were really teenagers involved in gang activity, and how am I in any way responsible for them? Why is it that whenever a bunch of ghetto animals shoot at each other as a result of the drug war or some lunatic goes on a shooting rampage we look to gun owners (80 million Americans) and say 'bite the pillow, for the children!'

Look how fast those goalposts move from a dishonest person. Amazing he had the strength to carry them. Just ignore this idiot please.


Get farked. That thing that Ben Franklin said about giving up rights for a little temporary security? It applies to the second as much as it does to the rest of the Bill of Rights. I share as much responsibility for the actions of perpetrators of gun violence as Muslims and Arabs do for acts of terrorism. Zero.
 
2013-01-09 06:27:56 PM  
You can always count on the government to have some knee-jerk reaction to a tragedy which results in more legislation and shiatty unintended consequences.
 
2013-01-09 06:28:14 PM  

Dimensio: duffblue: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: I've put 20 hits on 10 targets with three reloads in less than a 90 seconds.

[ih1.redbubble.net image 413x550]

All I'm pointing out is that the ability to put a lot of rounds on target quickly isn't unique to magazine-fed "assault weapons"... and in fact a 100+ year old bolt action rifle is easily capable of it. Which cleanly undermines the fallacious argument that "assault weapons" are somehow significantly more deadly in that regard. They're not, and it's a clear sign of ignorance about the subject matter to claim so.

Then again, I can tell you're not actually interested in rational, calm discourse.

If you're trying to make the argument that bolt action is as deadly as a semi-auto, you are something else. Ridiculous on its face.

Tell that to the 16 dead and 32 injured by charles whitman

Mr. Whitman killed only fourteen individuals. Therefore an assault weapons ban is justified.


I hope you're smart enough to see the logical fallacy here. You don't help "your side" when you make it. Stop.

/hint: If Whitman had had a 100 round drum, would more people have ended up dead?
 
2013-01-09 06:29:04 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: HartRend: CRIMINALS DO NOT FOLLOW LAWS

OUTLAWING GUNS DOES NOT DO A DAMN THING TO THE BAD GUYS

ONLY THE GOOD GUYS FOLLOW THE LAW

OUTLAWING GUNS ONLY TAKES AWAY FROM THE GOOD GUYS

Where are the bad guys getting their guns?


Well the mexican bad guys were getting their guns from this administration.
 
2013-01-09 06:29:28 PM  

here to help: HartRend: CRIMINALS DO NOT FOLLOW LAWS

OUTLAWING GUNS DOES NOT DO A DAMN THING TO THE BAD GUYS

ONLY THE GOOD GUYS FOLLOW THE LAW

OUTLAWING GUNS ONLY TAKES AWAY FROM THE GOOD GUYS

Less guns in the community pool make it more costly for the criminals. Stricter regulations on who can own firearms makes it harder for those with criminal inclinations or mental health issues to acquire weapons. If they acquire them through illegal means and get caught? PMITA prison for a huge chunk of their lives..

LOL... in what fantasy world do you live in? Drugs are outlawed and have gotten cheaper, more plentiful and better over the years. Drugs are easier to get than alcohol and cigs. So what fantasy are you living.
 
2013-01-09 06:29:51 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: HartRend: CRIMINALS DO NOT FOLLOW LAWS

OUTLAWING GUNS DOES NOT DO A DAMN THING TO THE BAD GUYS

ONLY THE GOOD GUYS FOLLOW THE LAW

OUTLAWING GUNS ONLY TAKES AWAY FROM THE GOOD GUYS

Where are the bad guys getting their guns?


Operation Fast and Furious.
 
2013-01-09 06:30:06 PM  

keepitcherry: You can always count on the government to have some knee-jerk reaction to a tragedy which results in more legislation and shiatty unintended consequences.


There must be a lot of overlap between gun control enthusiasts and supporters of the Patriot Act.
 
2013-01-09 06:30:46 PM  

here to help: License every last person who wants to own guns. Any guns. They have to register every single one of their guns. Any guns found on people who a) do not have a license or b) did not register that gun gets their guns confiscated and depending on the circumstance get charged.

F*ck this sh*t. If you truly ARE a responsible gun owner this should not be a problem. No more a problem than having a drivers license and owning vehicles... which by the way actually serve a purpose OTHER than destroying things.


Enumerated right vs not enumerated item.

Please present your 1st ammendment license for review.

/godwinning a little
//you could modify the 2nd to include mandatory registrstion, but would have to be a government "shall/will" issue a permit, not "may issue."
 
2013-01-09 06:31:07 PM  

keepitcherry: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: HartRend: CRIMINALS DO NOT FOLLOW LAWS

OUTLAWING GUNS DOES NOT DO A DAMN THING TO THE BAD GUYS

ONLY THE GOOD GUYS FOLLOW THE LAW

OUTLAWING GUNS ONLY TAKES AWAY FROM THE GOOD GUYS

Where are the bad guys getting their guns?

Well the mexican bad guys were getting their guns from this administration.


Directly? Or was there some sort of intermediary?
 
2013-01-09 06:31:21 PM  

OgreMagi: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Giltric: Insatiable Jesus: Mr.BobDobalita: So we've got 100k-ish defensive gun uses (DGU) where lives were probably saved.... and we've got around 12k gun murders.... 100k lives saved to 12k lives lost.... ummmmm.... maybe I"m bad at math, but seems to me guns save more people than kill.


How many DGUs would have been unnecessary if the other party didn't have a gun?


Did the guy in Atlanta who was shot by the woman hiding with her 2 kids in the closet have a gun?

I mean maybe he just wanted to scare her or play mousetrap with her kids....

He had a crowbar.

And likely would have moved on had she answered the door or made her presence known.

I seriously hate the anti-2nd crowd's habit of blaming the victim.  It's their own special kind of derp.


I understand that if it was a legitimate home invasion her body would have had ways of rejecting that.
 
2013-01-09 06:33:10 PM  

here to help: Less guns in the community pool make it more costly for the criminals.


This line of argumentation all but admits that the community at large is just wants to stick it to the gun owners. It's also a bad way to go about things. Crime guns make up a very small minority of all guns (less than one percent, probably, according to extrapolations I did from FBI crime data a while back).

We also have people in society whose cars belch black smoke constantly because they can't be arsed to get it fixed, but the solution isn't to categorically remove 30% of all cars on the road and feel safe knowing you've at least got some of the polluters. We need better records keeping laws so we can identify risky gun purchases, rather than simply saying that all gun purchases are bad.
 
2013-01-09 06:33:37 PM  

Fark It: justtray: Fark It: Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Fark It: I'll consider more restrictions on my guns once they kill as many children as Obama's drone attacks.

/voted for him in 2008, gave money to his campaign
//never again, 3rd party for me here on out

Drone strikes have killed about 200 children worldwide since 2004.

Guns Killed 5,728 kids in America in 2008-2009.

So... You ready to come to the table now?

How many of those kids were really teenagers involved in gang activity, and how am I in any way responsible for them? Why is it that whenever a bunch of ghetto animals shoot at each other as a result of the drug war or some lunatic goes on a shooting rampage we look to gun owners (80 million Americans) and say 'bite the pillow, for the children!'

Look how fast those goalposts move from a dishonest person. Amazing he had the strength to carry them. Just ignore this idiot please.

Get farked. That thing that Ben Franklin said about giving up rights for a little temporary security? It applies to the second as much as it does to the rest of the Bill of Rights. I share as much responsibility for the actions of perpetrators of gun violence as Muslims and Arabs do for acts of terrorism. Zero.


I couldnt help you didnt refute my argument.

Sorry but this is society. Every ammendment has limitations, including the 2nd. Dont like it? Go live in your dream land of Somalia. You dont get to enjoy the limitations of the other ammendments while expecting none on the one you really care about. Deal with it and grow up.
 
2013-01-09 06:33:47 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Directly? Or was there some sort of intermediary?


The gun sellers were directed to continue with a sale that would have otherwise been stopped. So, yes. The Administration was culpable.
 
2013-01-09 06:34:14 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: OgreMagi: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Giltric: Insatiable Jesus: Mr.BobDobalita: So we've got 100k-ish defensive gun uses (DGU) where lives were probably saved.... and we've got around 12k gun murders.... 100k lives saved to 12k lives lost.... ummmmm.... maybe I"m bad at math, but seems to me guns save more people than kill.


How many DGUs would have been unnecessary if the other party didn't have a gun?


Did the guy in Atlanta who was shot by the woman hiding with her 2 kids in the closet have a gun?

I mean maybe he just wanted to scare her or play mousetrap with her kids....

He had a crowbar.

And likely would have moved on had she answered the door or made her presence known.

I seriously hate the anti-2nd crowd's habit of blaming the victim.  It's their own special kind of derp.

I understand that if it was a legitimate home invasion her body would have had ways of rejecting that.


WHEN ANOTHER HOMEOWNER CONFRONTED HIM EARLIER HE JUST LEFT.
 
2013-01-09 06:34:23 PM  

DORMAMU: To play devil's advocate here:

Replace alcohol in your statement with guns and it works the other way.

You may use alcohol safely in a way that affect you only that is legal. So can a firearm owner.

Firearm are used illegally/improperly and people are hurt. Same with alcohol. Family damage, people with multiple dui's and dui accidents on there records. Alcohol use affected many lives of those who had no say in the situation.

Safe(r), legal & responsible use is fine. There are INDIVIDUALS who choose to use them in other manners.

If you can use alcohol where it only affects you, why can't another do the same of firearms?

/end devil's advocate


And those who abuse alcohol in a way that physically impacts others should have that right stripped away and get locked up in rehab and if they cannot stop hurting others because of it be removed from society permanently.

Same sh*t. Having a ridiculous amount of firearms laying around is as irresponsible as driving drunk.

I got no problem with responsible gun ownership and reasonable weapons. The laws being suggested not only recently but for YEARS are not about that. It's about getting... sh*t... under... freaking... control.

Keep a revolver. Keep some hunting weapons. Get licensed. Register them. Take courses. It's not a big freaking deal.
 
2013-01-09 06:34:28 PM  
 
2013-01-09 06:34:39 PM  
He better fu(king not...
 
2013-01-09 06:34:49 PM  

pmdgrwr: here to help: HartRend: CRIMINALS DO NOT FOLLOW LAWS

OUTLAWING GUNS DOES NOT DO A DAMN THING TO THE BAD GUYS

ONLY THE GOOD GUYS FOLLOW THE LAW

OUTLAWING GUNS ONLY TAKES AWAY FROM THE GOOD GUYS

Less guns in the community pool make it more costly for the criminals. Stricter regulations on who can own firearms makes it harder for those with criminal inclinations or mental health issues to acquire weapons. If they acquire them through illegal means and get caught? PMITA prison for a huge chunk of their lives.. LOL... in what fantasy world do you live in? Drugs are outlawed and have gotten cheaper, more plentiful and better over the years. Drugs are easier to get than alcohol and cigs. So what fantasy are you living.


Stop lying. You just make you and every gun nut look like a total moron when you pretend to know facts.
 
2013-01-09 06:36:18 PM  
I can't have a gun in the house. I have a rat terrior.
 
2013-01-09 06:36:28 PM  

HeadLever: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Directly? Or was there some sort of intermediary?

The gun sellers were directed to continue with a sale that would have otherwise been stopped. So, yes. The Administration was culpable.


Directed by who?
 
2013-01-09 06:37:07 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: He had a crowbar.

And likely would have moved on had she answered the door or made her presence known.


While I'd like to believe that. I doubt it. If he was looking for a "no rough stuff" type of deal, he'd have fled the second he realized she was there. But no, he looked for her. Why? What's he going to do at that point? Tell her to hang up the phone and hand over cash?

We don't know the mindset or logic he used in that first encounter. He may have done the math on his odds of taking on that homeowner and saw it as too risky. What was the guarantee if she stuck her head out the door that he wouldn't push her back in and assault her?

You say it was "likely" he'd have moved on. That's total conjecture on your part.

Infernalist: buffalosoldier: Infernalist: duffblue: Infernalist: Xcott: Vectron: He just made Smith and Wesson's first quarter, a bang on one.

Well, unless he plans on tripling the price by declaring a 200 PERCENT FIREARM TAX.

Actually, that wouldn't be bad public policy. Newtown happened not because "guns are legal," but because a schizo kid had a goddamn arsenal right there in his house. And that happened because it's become a teatard fad for everyone and your mother to have a badass arsenal for recreational shooting and because society's about to collapse. One of those oodles of heavily armed people is bound to have a schizo kid.

To combat this, what you need to do is have a policy that lets people keep and bear arms, but somehow reduces the raw number of weapons and "enthusiasts" stockpiling assault rifles on every block. A massive tax would probably serve that purpose.

$5000 per bullet should suffice.

How to you intend to reduce gun violence when every single firearm already purchased is grandfathered in?

If I had my way, I'd have the gun factories shut down. Without a steady flood of new guns into the system, the problem will solve itself in about 50 years.

Be glad a real liberal isn't in the President's seat.

Considering I was out shooting my damn near 150 year old mosin nagant yesterday, that is pretty funny.

Planning to do any school massacres with that single shot pos?


It's a Mosin Nagant... it shoots through schools.

Link

Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: I've put 20 hits on 10 targets with three reloads in less than a 90 seconds.

[ih1.redbubble.net image 413x550]


Actually, yea... we kinda do.
 
2013-01-09 06:37:30 PM  

Bontesla: Mr.BobDobalita: duffblue: All things that I don't completely agree with are scary, and I wish to deprive 315 million other people of their 2nd amendment rights as a result of my own fear, ignorance and cowardice

YEp. This is what it boils down to. As I've said, all rifle murders in 2011 amounted to 400. "Assault rifles" were a subset of that already small number. What we're talking about with the anti-"assault" rifle people here is LITERALLY trampling the rights of tens of millions of people over 400 deaths.

The absurdity boggles the mind.

No one is taking away your right to be armed. You're framing the conversation in a dishonest light.

There's a proposal to reduce the type of guns. You don't have a constitutional right to every gun. Now, you're insisting on maintaining a certain privilege at the cost of, by your own numbers, 400 deaths a year.


duffblue has stated no such insistence. Your claim is a lie.
 
2013-01-09 06:37:42 PM  

here to help: Having a ridiculous amount of firearms laying around is as irresponsible as driving drunk.


You're comparing owning guns to drunk driving? Really?

And you wonder why people won't engage you in a meaningful discussion about gun violence?
 
2013-01-09 06:37:58 PM  

justtray: Fark It: justtray: Fark It: Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Fark It: I'll consider more restrictions on my guns once they kill as many children as Obama's drone attacks.

/voted for him in 2008, gave money to his campaign
//never again, 3rd party for me here on out

Drone strikes have killed about 200 children worldwide since 2004.

Guns Killed 5,728 kids in America in 2008-2009.

So... You ready to come to the table now?

How many of those kids were really teenagers involved in gang activity, and how am I in any way responsible for them? Why is it that whenever a bunch of ghetto animals shoot at each other as a result of the drug war or some lunatic goes on a shooting rampage we look to gun owners (80 million Americans) and say 'bite the pillow, for the children!'

Look how fast those goalposts move from a dishonest person. Amazing he had the strength to carry them. Just ignore this idiot please.

Get farked. That thing that Ben Franklin said about giving up rights for a little temporary security? It applies to the second as much as it does to the rest of the Bill of Rights. I share as much responsibility for the actions of perpetrators of gun violence as Muslims and Arabs do for acts of terrorism. Zero.

I couldnt help you didnt refute my argument.

Sorry but this is society. Every ammendment has limitations, including the 2nd. Dont like it? Go live in your dream land of Somalia. You dont get to enjoy the limitations of the other ammendments while expecting none on the one you really care about. Deal with it and grow up.


I already accept limitations on the 2nd. You seem to be of the idea that the bill of rights is really a list of privileges. What was your argument anyway, other than 'he must be a Fark Independent for not supporting Feinstein/Bloomberg, etal'
 
2013-01-09 06:38:05 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: HartRend: CRIMINALS DO NOT FOLLOW LAWS

OUTLAWING GUNS DOES NOT DO A DAMN THING TO THE BAD GUYS

ONLY THE GOOD GUYS FOLLOW THE LAW

OUTLAWING GUNS ONLY TAKES AWAY FROM THE GOOD GUYS

Where are the bad guys getting their guns?


Where do they get their drugs?
 
2013-01-09 06:38:08 PM  
If Washington is anything like Fark, I can see why we never see any reasonable gun control laws. The people trying to work things out sensibly and drowned out by the jackasses on either side of them.
 
2013-01-09 06:39:41 PM  

justtray: pmdgrwr: here to help: HartRend: CRIMINALS DO NOT FOLLOW LAWS

OUTLAWING GUNS DOES NOT DO A DAMN THING TO THE BAD GUYS

ONLY THE GOOD GUYS FOLLOW THE LAW

OUTLAWING GUNS ONLY TAKES AWAY FROM THE GOOD GUYS

Less guns in the community pool make it more costly for the criminals. Stricter regulations on who can own firearms makes it harder for those with criminal inclinations or mental health issues to acquire weapons. If they acquire them through illegal means and get caught? PMITA prison for a huge chunk of their lives.. LOL... in what fantasy world do you live in? Drugs are outlawed and have gotten cheaper, more plentiful and better over the years. Drugs are easier to get than alcohol and cigs. So what fantasy are you living.

Stop lying. You just make you and every gun nut look like a total moron when you pretend to know facts.


I rather look like a moron than to keep convincing myself that govenment will always protect me.
 
2013-01-09 06:40:39 PM  

OgreMagi: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Giltric: Insatiable Jesus: Mr.BobDobalita: So we've got 100k-ish defensive gun uses (DGU) where lives were probably saved.... and we've got around 12k gun murders.... 100k lives saved to 12k lives lost.... ummmmm.... maybe I"m bad at math, but seems to me guns save more people than kill.


How many DGUs would have been unnecessary if the other party didn't have a gun?


Did the guy in Atlanta who was shot by the woman hiding with her 2 kids in the closet have a gun?

I mean maybe he just wanted to scare her or play mousetrap with her kids....

He had a crowbar.

And likely would have moved on had she answered the door or made her presence known.

I seriously hate the anti-2nd crowd's habit of blaming the victim.  It's their own special kind of derp.


I've had drunk people come up to my apartment and try to get in, insisting that it was their friends place and they needed someplace to crash for the night (this was around 4AM). They weren't belligerent, but they were persistent, and there were a few of them. I've never seriously wanted a gun for self defense, but I can honestly see my wife or my grandparents getting one if she were living on her own, and I would not blame them one bit for brandishing a weapon at three drunk men who refused to leave. It's also not like you can easily call 911 while you're arguing with guys trying to pull your door open.
 
2013-01-09 06:40:46 PM  

Fark It: justtray: Fark It: justtray: Fark It: Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Fark It: I'll consider more restrictions on my guns once they kill as many children as Obama's drone attacks.

/voted for him in 2008, gave money to his campaign
//never again, 3rd party for me here on out

Drone strikes have killed about 200 children worldwide since 2004.

Guns Killed 5,728 kids in America in 2008-2009.

So... You ready to come to the table now?

How many of those kids were really teenagers involved in gang activity, and how am I in any way responsible for them? Why is it that whenever a bunch of ghetto animals shoot at each other as a result of the drug war or some lunatic goes on a shooting rampage we look to gun owners (80 million Americans) and say 'bite the pillow, for the children!'

Look how fast those goalposts move from a dishonest person. Amazing he had the strength to carry them. Just ignore this idiot please.

Get farked. That thing that Ben Franklin said about giving up rights for a little temporary security? It applies to the second as much as it does to the rest of the Bill of Rights. I share as much responsibility for the actions of perpetrators of gun violence as Muslims and Arabs do for acts of terrorism. Zero.

I couldnt help you didnt refute my argument.

Sorry but this is society. Every ammendment has limitations, including the 2nd. Dont like it? Go live in your dream land of Somalia. You dont get to enjoy the limitations of the other ammendments while expecting none on the one you really care about. Deal with it and grow up.

I already accept limitations on the 2nd. You seem to be of the idea that the bill of rights is really a list of privileges. What was your argument anyway, other than 'he must be a Fark Independent for not supporting Feinstein/Bloomberg, etal'


That you presented a bar, someone listed the facts that met that bar, then you moved the goalposts instead of admitting your understanding was wrong and therefore you should agree to discuss better gun control. That was my argument, and since you couldn't deal with it, you decided to tell me to get farked instead of addressing your logical fallacy moving the goalposts.
 
2013-01-09 06:41:00 PM  

Vectron: Tatterdemalian: Smart Diplomacy: Saying "Nobody's going to take your guns away" until the military has recalled enough troops to start going door to door.

/contrary to popular belief, the result will not be a better world
//"And the burnt fool's bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the fire"

The way this country is divided politically, if a Republican ever gets elected president again it may cause some on the left to rethink gun ownership for themselves.


They already believe in gun ownership for themselves, it's just the rest of the human race that isn't worthy to own anything sharper than a crayon.
 
2013-01-09 06:41:01 PM  
Hate to rain on the parade for either side here trying to make that one argument never made before on the issue that will sway everyone for good but.....

Folks this was Biden speaking off-the-cuff at a short presser before he went to speak with some "victims of gun violence" - it is likely complete bullshiat that he's going to be in major trouble for saying.  Biden is notorious for saying these types of things - it's his entire legacy as a matter of fact.  He and Chuck Schumer were the carnival barkers in the senate for years.  They'd go right out to the press and claim they have the votes to pass some bill even when it was clear they didn't - they like stirring up shiat.

Biden tends to relate things that may have been mentioned in strategy meetings, but not taken as the plan of action.

I seriously doubt this is really what they are planning on doing.
 
2013-01-09 06:41:13 PM  

FlashHarry: ourbigdumbmouth: I'm cool with only rich people having guns

i keep hearing this talking point. can anyone elucidate?


It is genarally thought that fully auto guns are illegal, but they are not, they are just incredibly expensive. Such that only rich people in practice own fully auto guns. No new ones have been allowed to be manufactured for private sale since 1986. So each year they become more and more rare and expensive, ensuring only the rich have access to them.
 
2013-01-09 06:41:23 PM  

Government Fromage: If Washington is anything like Fark, I can see why we never see any reasonable gun control laws. The people trying to work things out sensibly and drowned out by the jackasses on either side of them.



We come here to be dysfunctional not to work things out.
 
2013-01-09 06:41:51 PM  

pmdgrwr: justtray: pmdgrwr: here to help: HartRend: CRIMINALS DO NOT FOLLOW LAWS

OUTLAWING GUNS DOES NOT DO A DAMN THING TO THE BAD GUYS

ONLY THE GOOD GUYS FOLLOW THE LAW

OUTLAWING GUNS ONLY TAKES AWAY FROM THE GOOD GUYS

Less guns in the community pool make it more costly for the criminals. Stricter regulations on who can own firearms makes it harder for those with criminal inclinations or mental health issues to acquire weapons. If they acquire them through illegal means and get caught? PMITA prison for a huge chunk of their lives.. LOL... in what fantasy world do you live in? Drugs are outlawed and have gotten cheaper, more plentiful and better over the years. Drugs are easier to get than alcohol and cigs. So what fantasy are you living.

Stop lying. You just make you and every gun nut look like a total moron when you pretend to know facts.

I rather look like a moron than to keep convincing myself that govenment will always protect me.


That is your choice. Im just telling you its not helping your position. Please proceed.
 
2013-01-09 06:41:58 PM  

Fark It: Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Fark It: I'll consider more restrictions on my guns once they kill as many children as Obama's drone attacks.

/voted for him in 2008, gave money to his campaign
//never again, 3rd party for me here on out

Drone strikes have killed about 200 children worldwide since 2004.

Guns Killed 5,728 kids in America in 2008-2009.

So... You ready to come to the table now?

How many of those kids were really teenagers involved in gang activity, and how am I in any way responsible for them? Why is it that whenever a bunch of ghetto animals shoot at each other as a result of the drug war or some lunatic goes on a shooting rampage we look to gun owners (80 million Americans) and say 'bite the pillow, for the children!'


So that's a "no" on debate, then? Why do you pretend to care about the "ghetto animals" of Pakistan and other Middle East third world hellholes, but not your fellow citizens?

My point isn't really about gun control, actually. It's about people not understanding the drone issue and spreading misinformation about it.
 
2013-01-09 06:42:16 PM  
"We are not going to get caught up in the notion that unless we can do everything we're going to do nothing," Biden said.

Ok, but are you going to get caught up in the notion that doing absolutely anything is better than doing nothing?
 
2013-01-09 06:42:18 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: WHEN ANOTHER HOMEOWNER CONFRONTED HIM EARLIER HE JUST LEFT.


You wanna take that chance? Do you really want to bet your life and the lives of your family on the goodwill of someone there to rob you? This line of logical always amuses me.

He's obviously there to commit a crime (as evidenced by the fact that he broke into the house). Can you really tell when someone is breaking in what their ultimate intentions are? How do you know that if you don't oppose the initial burglary he won't get greedy and see an opportunity for rape, murder, whatever?

HE BROKE INTO THE GOD DAMNED HOUSE!
When you cross that threshold, all bets are off.
 
2013-01-09 06:42:37 PM  

here to help: License every last person who wants to own guns. Any guns. They have to register every single one of their guns. Any guns found on people who a) do not have a license or b) did not register that gun gets their guns confiscated and depending on the circumstance get charged.


Will you accept a provision in the registry requirement that automatically nullifies the registry requirement and that mandates destruction of the government registry if a bill allowing for the confiscation of a defined class of firearms passes one (or both) houses of Congress (even if it is not yet signed by the President) or if a bill attempting to repeal the nullification provision itself passes one (or both) houses of Congress?

Are you unaware that individuals legally prohibited from possessing firearms cannot be legally compelled to register firearms, and thus that such individuals could not be charged with possession of an unregistered firearm?
 
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