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2013-01-09 05:49:13 PM  

HeWhoHasNoName: and in fact a 100+ year old bolt action rifle is easily capable of it


Hahaha. Yeah. A clip-fed bolt action rifle clearly has the same rate-of-fire as a magazine-fed semi-automatic.
 
2013-01-09 05:49:49 PM  
Is a 444 Raging Bull considered an "assault weapon"?
 
2013-01-09 05:50:09 PM  

tnpir: Jaws_Victim: Good. And when crazy pants people like that yelling dude on cnn decide to retaliate, we can put them away forever and make the world a better place.

So were you also waiting and hoping Piers Morgan would rear back and coldcock that motherfarker upside the head?


I was expecting that when Alex Jones started talking in a British accent.
 
2013-01-09 05:50:19 PM  
Trolls, people discussing semantics, and more trolls.

Just your typical Fark gun thread.
 
2013-01-09 05:50:40 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: I've put 20 hits on 10 targets with three reloads in less than a 90 seconds.

[ih1.redbubble.net image 413x550]

All I'm pointing out is that the ability to put a lot of rounds on target quickly isn't unique to magazine-fed "assault weapons"... and in fact a 100+ year old bolt action rifle is easily capable of it. Which cleanly undermines the fallacious argument that "assault weapons" are somehow significantly more deadly in that regard. They're not, and it's a clear sign of ignorance about the subject matter to claim so.

Then again, I can tell you're not actually interested in rational, calm discourse.

If you're trying to make the argument that bolt action is as deadly as a semi-auto, you are something else. Ridiculous on its face.


I have some of each. Which one do you feel like running from? I'll even let you pick the caliber.
 
2013-01-09 05:50:59 PM  

umad: The AR15 is one of the smallest rifle calibers there is.


Any weapon that fires AR15s would have to be pretty damn large.

umad: You don't understand it because surprise, surprise, you don't know shiat about guns and base your arguments on feelings rather than logic.


Oh, irony.
 
2013-01-09 05:51:13 PM  

RulerOfNone: Is a 444 Raging Bull considered an "assault weapon"?


The definition of "assault weapon" is fluid, and subject to amendment based upon an anti-gun politician's whims. The Raging Bull revolver therefore could hypothetically be an "assault weapon".
 
2013-01-09 05:51:52 PM  

EatenTheSun: I have some of each. Which one do you feel like running from? I'll even let you pick the caliber


I'll take the bolt-action. In the time it takes for you to slide that sucker back, I'm either diving for your knees or behind cover. Depending on how close I am to you.
 
2013-01-09 05:52:05 PM  

Clutch2013: Trolls, people discussing semantics, and more trolls.

Just your typical Fark gun thread.

FTFY
 
2013-01-09 05:52:55 PM  

umad: It's about damn time we got rid of that pesky amendment process! The president should be able to change whatever he wants in the constitution. I look forward to the Republicans using executive orders to further amend that worthless piece of paper the next time they win the office. What could possibly go wrong?

AbbeySomeone: I can understand rifles and pistols but why do people need the big weaponry ie, assault rifles, etc?

The AR15 is one of the smallest rifle calibers there is. You don't understand it because surprise, surprise, you don't know shiat about guns and base your arguments on feelings rather than logic. TMYK.



The .223 round is completely ineffective and almost non-lethal. That's why the US military uses it.

Thanks for clearing that up for us all.
 
2013-01-09 05:53:32 PM  
In case anybody's interested, they're talking about possibly using executive action for things that DO NOT require congressional approval, like prosecuting people who lie about background checks, for example.

But since brainless paranoia helps gun sales tremendously, it's very much in the gun lobby's interests to stoke it. So continue pooping your pants in fury, I guess. Just crack a window, please.
 
2013-01-09 05:53:37 PM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: ronaprhys: AbbeySomeone: I can understand rifles and pistols but why do people need the big weaponry ie, assault rifles, etc?

You do realize that we're not talking about actual assault rifles, don't you? Those are already heavily regulated. We're talking about semi-automatic rifles that are actually less powerful than many traditional hunting rifles (but are also semi-automatic, lever, or bolt action, depending on the specific rifle). They just look different.

Right. This isn't about "the big weaponry". The Feinstein bill would do nothing about machine guns, rocket launchers, grenades, cannons, etc. Those things are already illegal as hell unless you go through some very rigorous paperwork signed off by the local police chief and the ATF.

What it would do, is make most of the guns in the country overnight into "dangerous military weapons" in the eyes of the law and permit the government to seize them. Basically anything with a detachable magazine, even if the normal magazine is a five-round box, could be construed as an "assault" weapon, because it maybe might just be able to have a large magazine attached instead.

Personally, I'm all for increased and expanded background checks, better tracking of large sales, some additional restrictions of online sales, and I would actually support making detachable magazines over 15 rounds into NFA items (meaning you have to pay a special tax and register them with the government, the same as silencers). I also think it should be required that every firearm sold comes with a tamper-resistant trigger lock provided by the manufacturer (either built into the gun, or removable, as long as it meets a minimum standard).

But this bill that's being proposed? No, it's bullshiat, and it won't save any lives.


Thank you. Lost in all this BS coming from both sides is a reasonable solution.

What do we need to do? IMO, to start off, eliminate the gun show loopholes. Require background checks for all transfers. Impose mandatory waiting periods. Allow sellers to use the "eye test." If someone looks a bit iffy, don't sell to them and make them speak with law enforcement before processing their form 4473. Here in Illinois people biatch about having a firearms card that has to be renewed every 5 years (10, now I guess). I'm ok with something similar on the national level. Renew it every few years to ensure you haven't committed any felonies or been put in a nut house.

I'm fine with limiting magazine capacities to 10 rounds. I'm also good with requiring bullet buttons or something similar to make mag changes require a tool. I'm not ok with banning something just because of military style features like pistol grips, bayonet lugs, or flash hiders that do absolutely nothing to make the gun more dangerous.

I'm against banning internet sales of guns. I don't think people understand how that works. It's not like ordering a laptop and having it delivered to your front door. It's delivered from one federally licensed dealer to one in your local area, where you do paperwork just like if you'd found it there in the first place.

Ammunition is another can of worms. I could go either way on that. Perhaps if some sort of national gun card was issued, you could send a copy of that to get ammo shipped to your home. (Same thing that happens here in IL). I hate to see a limit on how much can be purchased at once though -- just because I'm a cheapskate and when I find a good price I'll buy quite a bit at once. Kind of like shopping at Costco.

It seems to me a few common sense things are a whole lot better than a kneejerk reaction of "ban everything I don't like or don't understand!"
 
2013-01-09 05:53:48 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: umad: It's about damn time we got rid of that pesky amendment process! The president should be able to change whatever he wants in the constitution. I look forward to the Republicans using executive orders to further amend that worthless piece of paper the next time they win the office. What could possibly go wrong?

AbbeySomeone: I can understand rifles and pistols but why do people need the big weaponry ie, assault rifles, etc?

The AR15 is one of the smallest rifle calibers there is. You don't understand it because surprise, surprise, you don't know shiat about guns and base your arguments on feelings rather than logic. TMYK.


The .223 round is completely ineffective and almost non-lethal. That's why the US military uses it.

Thanks for clearing that up for us all.


Your summary is a lie, which is consistent with your history of dishonesty.
 
2013-01-09 05:54:00 PM  

TomD9938: In 2011, the latest year for which detailed statistics are available, there were 12,664 murders in the US. Of those, 8,583 were caused by firearms, down 3% from a year earlier.

So, how many of those were assualt rifle murders? Eight thousand? One?


http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-t h e-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8

In 2011 there were 323 murders by rifle. The AR-15 type rifle is a subset of that number and is not indicated. It is interesting to note that the total number of murders by rifle is decreasing. If you were to believe the gun control advocates it should be increasing every year from 2004 (end of the last gun ban).
 
2013-01-09 05:54:08 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: I've put 20 hits on 10 targets with three reloads in less than a 90 seconds.

[ih1.redbubble.net image 413x550]

All I'm pointing out is that the ability to put a lot of rounds on target quickly isn't unique to magazine-fed "assault weapons"... and in fact a 100+ year old bolt action rifle is easily capable of it. Which cleanly undermines the fallacious argument that "assault weapons" are somehow significantly more deadly in that regard. They're not, and it's a clear sign of ignorance about the subject matter to claim so.

Then again, I can tell you're not actually interested in rational, calm discourse.

If you're trying to make the argument that bolt action is as deadly as a semi-auto, you are something else. Ridiculous on its face.


Tell that to the 16 dead and 32 injured by charles whitman
 
2013-01-09 05:54:20 PM  

EatenTheSun: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: I've put 20 hits on 10 targets with three reloads in less than a 90 seconds.

[ih1.redbubble.net image 413x550]

All I'm pointing out is that the ability to put a lot of rounds on target quickly isn't unique to magazine-fed "assault weapons"... and in fact a 100+ year old bolt action rifle is easily capable of it. Which cleanly undermines the fallacious argument that "assault weapons" are somehow significantly more deadly in that regard. They're not, and it's a clear sign of ignorance about the subject matter to claim so.

Then again, I can tell you're not actually interested in rational, calm discourse.

If you're trying to make the argument that bolt action is as deadly as a semi-auto, you are something else. Ridiculous on its face.

I have some of each. Which one do you feel like running from? I'll even let you pick the caliber.



Homicidal ideation in a Gunfapper? I am SHOCKED people!
 
2013-01-09 05:55:00 PM  
To ask another person to give up their guns so you can feel safer is a cowardly thing to do. Those against guns have this delusion that state and police will protect them. The state and police can not and will not protect you, you have to protect yourself. Automatic weapons are needed to keep governments at bay they are the last defense of a out of control state and police force. But those against guns will never ask the state or police to give up their guns just the citizens.

You know who liked gun control Hitler did. Seems like gun control nuts like Hitler's ideas after all.
 
2013-01-09 05:55:05 PM  
Oh, great...just when we Dems finally had the GOP on the ropes, the President throws them a lifeline for 2014.

Democratic President from 2014 to 2016
 
2013-01-09 05:55:08 PM  

duffblue: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: I've put 20 hits on 10 targets with three reloads in less than a 90 seconds.

[ih1.redbubble.net image 413x550]

All I'm pointing out is that the ability to put a lot of rounds on target quickly isn't unique to magazine-fed "assault weapons"... and in fact a 100+ year old bolt action rifle is easily capable of it. Which cleanly undermines the fallacious argument that "assault weapons" are somehow significantly more deadly in that regard. They're not, and it's a clear sign of ignorance about the subject matter to claim so.

Then again, I can tell you're not actually interested in rational, calm discourse.

If you're trying to make the argument that bolt action is as deadly as a semi-auto, you are something else. Ridiculous on its face.

Tell that to the 16 dead and 32 injured by charles whitman

 
2013-01-09 05:55:36 PM  
I think that this is the best idea I heard since 2008 for solving the unemployment problem. How many people would it take to disarm America?
 
2013-01-09 05:55:46 PM  

duffblue: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: I've put 20 hits on 10 targets with three reloads in less than a 90 seconds.

[ih1.redbubble.net image 413x550]

All I'm pointing out is that the ability to put a lot of rounds on target quickly isn't unique to magazine-fed "assault weapons"... and in fact a 100+ year old bolt action rifle is easily capable of it. Which cleanly undermines the fallacious argument that "assault weapons" are somehow significantly more deadly in that regard. They're not, and it's a clear sign of ignorance about the subject matter to claim so.

Then again, I can tell you're not actually interested in rational, calm discourse.

If you're trying to make the argument that bolt action is as deadly as a semi-auto, you are something else. Ridiculous on its face.

Tell that to the 16 dead and 32 injured by charles whitman


Mr. Whitman killed only fourteen individuals. Therefore an assault weapons ban is justified.
 
2013-01-09 05:55:47 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Giltric: Insatiable Jesus: Mr.BobDobalita: So we've got 100k-ish defensive gun uses (DGU) where lives were probably saved.... and we've got around 12k gun murders.... 100k lives saved to 12k lives lost.... ummmmm.... maybe I"m bad at math, but seems to me guns save more people than kill.


How many DGUs would have been unnecessary if the other party didn't have a gun?


Did the guy in Atlanta who was shot by the woman hiding with her 2 kids in the closet have a gun?

I mean maybe he just wanted to scare her or play mousetrap with her kids....

He had a crowbar.

And likely would have moved on had she answered the door or made her presence known.



Ok I followed the link and I see that he did go away from another home when confronted by the homeowner. Google homicide/burglary for instances when the burglar did not walk away. You can not predict the behavior of people that want to break into your house. Shockingly,often times burglars do not comport themselves in a professional way.

These are bad people. It may seem unfair but sometimes ....bad things happen to bad people.
 
2013-01-09 05:55:49 PM  

OgreMagi: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Giltric: Insatiable Jesus: Mr.BobDobalita: So we've got 100k-ish defensive gun uses (DGU) where lives were probably saved.... and we've got around 12k gun murders.... 100k lives saved to 12k lives lost.... ummmmm.... maybe I"m bad at math, but seems to me guns save more people than kill.


How many DGUs would have been unnecessary if the other party didn't have a gun?


Did the guy in Atlanta who was shot by the woman hiding with her 2 kids in the closet have a gun?

I mean maybe he just wanted to scare her or play mousetrap with her kids....

He had a crowbar.

And likely would have moved on had she answered the door or made her presence known.

I seriously hate the anti-2nd crowd's habit of blaming the victim.  It's their own special kind of derp.


I got no sympathy for anyone who gets shot committing a b&e.

Even so, check the link.
 
2013-01-09 05:56:12 PM  

Stone Meadow: Oh, great...just when we Dems finally had the GOP on the ropes, the President throws them a lifeline for 2014.

Democratic President from 2014 to 2016 with GOP House AND Senate.


FTFM
 
2013-01-09 05:56:23 PM  
According to my inbox, Obama has already taken our guns away three times. What more could happen?
 
2013-01-09 05:56:38 PM  
Biden seems hell bent on being president.
 
2013-01-09 05:57:04 PM  

HeWhoHasNoName: Do you understand why?

It's a reaction not to the event, but to the historic pattern of threats and attempted actions by federal politicians every time such an event has happened.

If there was a major media and political blitz to ban the public sales of automobiles every time a senior citizen plowed through a farmer's market, or a drunk driver killed a bunch of children, all in the name of pushing people into public transit and out of private car ownership, I can guarantee you that automobile sales would eventually start spiking every time such an event occurred so people could get a car before they were cut off.

If it was sports cars or muscle cars in particular, I can ABSOLUTELY guarantee you that every Mustang, Camaro, Corvette, Audi R8, Viper, and every other sports car that looked "fast" would be flying off the lot as people who wanted one tried to buy one while before a possible ban.


But how many of those people are the same people buying in a pre-ban panic time after time after time? Because these panic buys happen repeatedly, every couple months now. How many times can one load up before they finally feel they have enough?
 
2013-01-09 05:57:09 PM  

RickN99: Damn it! I've been trying to buy an AR-15 for 3 months as my Christmas present to myself. Between the empty shelves and the jacked-up prices, I have been waiting for things to settle down.

This is not helping!


I wouldn't admit to having a small penisi n a public forum, but you go on ahead.
 
2013-01-09 05:57:28 PM  

someonelse: In case anybody's interested, they're talking about possibly using executive action for things that DO NOT require congressional approval, like prosecuting people who lie about background checks, for example.


I'd be very amused if he decides to focus the new EOs on handguns rather than "assault weapons" like he hinted at during the debate.
 
2013-01-09 05:57:28 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: EatenTheSun: I have some of each. Which one do you feel like running from? I'll even let you pick the caliber

I'll take the bolt-action. In the time it takes for you to slide that sucker back, I'm either diving for your knees or behind cover. Depending on how close I am to you.


If you are diving at my knees I won't need the extra time it takes to reacquire a target. If you hide behind cover, well, it's simple enough to keep you there while I make my way down to you.
 
2013-01-09 05:58:30 PM  

pmdgrwr: Those against guns have this delusion that state and police will protect them. The state and police can not and will not protect you, you have to protect yourself


Yet another loon who thinks this is the Old West for some reason.
 
2013-01-09 05:58:44 PM  

Gosling: HeWhoHasNoName: Do you understand why?

It's a reaction not to the event, but to the historic pattern of threats and attempted actions by federal politicians every time such an event has happened.

If there was a major media and political blitz to ban the public sales of automobiles every time a senior citizen plowed through a farmer's market, or a drunk driver killed a bunch of children, all in the name of pushing people into public transit and out of private car ownership, I can guarantee you that automobile sales would eventually start spiking every time such an event occurred so people could get a car before they were cut off.

If it was sports cars or muscle cars in particular, I can ABSOLUTELY guarantee you that every Mustang, Camaro, Corvette, Audi R8, Viper, and every other sports car that looked "fast" would be flying off the lot as people who wanted one tried to buy one while before a possible ban.

But how many of those people are the same people buying in a pre-ban panic time after time after time? Because these panic buys happen repeatedly, every couple months now. How many times can one load up before they finally feel they have enough?


People with mental illnesses have trouble regulating their behavior.

This is Ric Romero reporting!
 
2013-01-09 05:58:45 PM  

ghare: RickN99: Damn it! I've been trying to buy an AR-15 for 3 months as my Christmas present to myself. Between the empty shelves and the jacked-up prices, I have been waiting for things to settle down.

This is not helping!

I wouldn't admit to having a small penisi n a public forum, but you go on ahead.


Your obsession with RickN99's penis, and your baseless speculation upon the size thereof, is of no relevance to the current discussion.
 
2013-01-09 05:58:49 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: I'll take the bolt-action. In the time it takes for you to slide that sucker back, I'm either diving for your knees or behind cover. Depending on how close I am to you.


Good luck with that. A good enfield (10 round mag, BTW) can fire off some big honkin' rounds really fast. In fact, there's stories of german troops in WW2 thinking they were under fire from automatics. And they turn cover into kindling.

/I've got one in .308, and you can throw that bolt REALLY farking fast.
 
2013-01-09 05:58:51 PM  

duffblue: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: I've put 20 hits on 10 targets with three reloads in less than a 90 seconds.

[ih1.redbubble.net image 413x550]

All I'm pointing out is that the ability to put a lot of rounds on target quickly isn't unique to magazine-fed "assault weapons"... and in fact a 100+ year old bolt action rifle is easily capable of it. Which cleanly undermines the fallacious argument that "assault weapons" are somehow significantly more deadly in that regard. They're not, and it's a clear sign of ignorance about the subject matter to claim so.

Then again, I can tell you're not actually interested in rational, calm discourse.

If you're trying to make the argument that bolt action is as deadly as a semi-auto, you are something else. Ridiculous on its face.

Tell that to the 16 dead and 32 injured by charles whitman


duffblue: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: I've put 20 hits on 10 targets with three reloads in less than a 90 seconds.

[ih1.redbubble.net image 413x550]

All I'm pointing out is that the ability to put a lot of rounds on target quickly isn't unique to magazine-fed "assault weapons"... and in fact a 100+ year old bolt action rifle is easily capable of it. Which cleanly undermines the fallacious argument that "assault weapons" are somehow significantly more deadly in that regard. They're not, and it's a clear sign of ignorance about the subject matter to claim so.

Then again, I can tell you're not actually interested in rational, calm discourse.

If you're trying to make the argument that bolt action is as deadly as a semi-auto, you are something else. Ridiculous on its face.

Tell that to the 16 dead and 32 injured by charles whitman



16 dead in 2 hours with a bolt action rifle.

26 dead in 10 minutes with a semi-auto.

Is this the math Gunfappers use to make themselves feel better? Oh wait, that's what the guns are for. Sorry.
 
2013-01-09 05:59:08 PM  

duffblue: HeadLever: The_Sponge: Giltric: I have a couple Colts they are good weapons. As accurate as my safe queens are but for half the price

So what are your safe queens?

Not mine - just same make/model Damn fine rifle and made in America

Anything good to say about rifle rests? Thinking about picking one up but I don't know any pros or cons about owning one.


I may have a few ideas. What are you looking to do? Hobby shooting at the range, full blown benchrest (competition) or varmint hunting off the picknic table?

Generally you will want to buy quality first. Sinclair makes a very good rest (a little pricy, though). Caldwell is a step down, but more reasonably priced. Protektor bags are about the best as well and are pretty decently priced.
 
2013-01-09 05:59:12 PM  

Government Fromage: Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: ronaprhys: AbbeySomeone: I can understand rifles and pistols but why do people need the big weaponry ie, assault rifles, etc?

You do realize that we're not talking about actual assault rifles, don't you? Those are already heavily regulated. We're talking about semi-automatic rifles that are actually less powerful than many traditional hunting rifles (but are also semi-automatic, lever, or bolt action, depending on the specific rifle). They just look different.

Right. This isn't about "the big weaponry". The Feinstein bill would do nothing about machine guns, rocket launchers, grenades, cannons, etc. Those things are already illegal as hell unless you go through some very rigorous paperwork signed off by the local police chief and the ATF.

What it would do, is make most of the guns in the country overnight into "dangerous military weapons" in the eyes of the law and permit the government to seize them. Basically anything with a detachable magazine, even if the normal magazine is a five-round box, could be construed as an "assault" weapon, because it maybe might just be able to have a large magazine attached instead.

Personally, I'm all for increased and expanded background checks, better tracking of large sales, some additional restrictions of online sales, and I would actually support making detachable magazines over 15 rounds into NFA items (meaning you have to pay a special tax and register them with the government, the same as silencers). I also think it should be required that every firearm sold comes with a tamper-resistant trigger lock provided by the manufacturer (either built into the gun, or removable, as long as it meets a minimum standard).

But this bill that's being proposed? No, it's bullshiat, and it won't save any lives.

Thank you. Lost in all this BS coming from both sides is a reasonable solution.

What do we need to do? IMO, to start off, eliminate the gun show loopholes. Require background checks for all transfers. ...


This entire exchange restores in me a glimmer of hope that rational people exist to steer this national debate.
 
2013-01-09 05:59:16 PM  

RulerOfNone: Is a 444 Raging Bull considered an "assault weapon"?


What about a 1966 Beatles Revolver?
 
2013-01-09 05:59:18 PM  

computerguyUT: Well, Odouchebag has already used his magical Power Rangers Decree rights more than any president in history, so....

Just sayin.


Stop lying.
 
2013-01-09 05:59:22 PM  

CynicalLA: Vectron: CynicalLA: I think this is just a way to get the economy moving. Scaring fat pasty white people into buying more guns and ammo. The paranoid losers fall for it every time.

That's racist.


ooooh that it was fun to throw that out. I can play too!

It would work if I wasn't white. I'm allowed to make fun of white trash I like to feel superior to other people.

 
2013-01-09 05:59:30 PM  

EatenTheSun: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: I've put 20 hits on 10 targets with three reloads in less than a 90 seconds.

[ih1.redbubble.net image 413x550]

All I'm pointing out is that the ability to put a lot of rounds on target quickly isn't unique to magazine-fed "assault weapons"... and in fact a 100+ year old bolt action rifle is easily capable of it. Which cleanly undermines the fallacious argument that "assault weapons" are somehow significantly more deadly in that regard. They're not, and it's a clear sign of ignorance about the subject matter to claim so.

Then again, I can tell you're not actually interested in rational, calm discourse.

If you're trying to make the argument that bolt action is as deadly as a semi-auto, you are something else. Ridiculous on its face.

I have some of each. Which one do you feel like running from? I'll even let you pick the caliber.


I remember reading somewhere that early in WWI the British Army had trained their infantry to fire their bolt action rifles so fast that Germans thought the British as far more machine guns than they actually did.

I know with a lever action rifle you can put out a lot of rounds fast also.
 
2013-01-09 05:59:42 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: AbbeySomeone: I can understand rifles and pistols but why do people need the big weaponry ie, assault rifles, etc?

To shoot American soldiers and police officers.

Of course, they don't say that until later in the conversation but they get around to it eventually.


Actually it isn't Soldiers and Police creating the stir, they are just poor wage slaves caught in the middle. Just like a lot of German soldiers were in WW2, they will be "just following orders". Though when Obama starts ordering citizens killed (with guns) because they won't comply with an illegal "law" the Brown Shirts will be the ones who run into the serious shiat. It doesn't matter, they aren't any more important than the peasants they have been ordered to murder.
 
2013-01-09 05:59:48 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: EatenTheSun: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: I've put 20 hits on 10 targets with three reloads in less than a 90 seconds.

[ih1.redbubble.net image 413x550]

All I'm pointing out is that the ability to put a lot of rounds on target quickly isn't unique to magazine-fed "assault weapons"... and in fact a 100+ year old bolt action rifle is easily capable of it. Which cleanly undermines the fallacious argument that "assault weapons" are somehow significantly more deadly in that regard. They're not, and it's a clear sign of ignorance about the subject matter to claim so.

Then again, I can tell you're not actually interested in rational, calm discourse.

If you're trying to make the argument that bolt action is as deadly as a semi-auto, you are something else. Ridiculous on its face.

I have some of each. Which one do you feel like running from? I'll even let you pick the caliber.


Homicidal ideation in a Gunfapper? I am SHOCKED people!


Nah, I have no desire to kill you. But if I did, it wouldn't make much difference which rifle I brought.
 
2013-01-09 06:00:26 PM  

GoldSpider: What do we need to do? IMO, to start off, eliminate the gun show loopholes. Require background checks for all transfers. ...

This entire exchange restores in me a glimmer of hope that rational people exist to steer this national debate.


Rational individuals do not author legislation, nor are they prominently visible on either side of the current discussion.
 
2013-01-09 06:00:26 PM  
I remember back during the Bush administration when executive orders were bad. Good times.
 
2013-01-09 06:00:29 PM  
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2013-01-09 06:00:36 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: pmdgrwr: Those against guns have this delusion that state and police will protect them. The state and police can not and will not protect you, you have to protect yourself

Yet another loon who thinks this is the Old West for some reason.


Yep, they can ALL whip out their weapon so fast they can take out the guy with a gun who has the drop on them...and has squeezed off a dozen rounds before they even know what's happening.
 
2013-01-09 06:01:31 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: HeWhoHasNoName: and in fact a 100+ year old bolt action rifle is easily capable of it

Hahaha. Yeah. A clip-fed bolt action rifle clearly has the same rate-of-fire as a magazine-fed semi-automatic.


I'd say at best, with reloads from a stripper clip, on an old school bolt action, you'd be lucky to hit 20-30 a minute, depending on mag size, and still hit a target.

The reason we moved to semi-auto and then full auto/burst rifles was the massive increase to rate of fire. The move to smaller caliber shot was to increase ammo supply per Gi and better control in auto/burst/etc. It was just as effective, really, at moderate range.
 
2013-01-09 06:01:42 PM  
Meh. If you can executive order away the 2nd amendment, that leaves open the possibility that we can executive order away the 14th or the 19th etc etc.
 
2013-01-09 06:01:55 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: duffblue: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: I've put 20 hits on 10 targets with three reloads in less than a 90 seconds.

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All I'm pointing out is that the ability to put a lot of rounds on target quickly isn't unique to magazine-fed "assault weapons"... and in fact a 100+ year old bolt action rifle is easily capable of it. Which cleanly undermines the fallacious argument that "assault weapons" are somehow significantly more deadly in that regard. They're not, and it's a clear sign of ignorance about the subject matter to claim so.

Then again, I can tell you're not actually interested in rational, calm discourse.

If you're trying to make the argument that bolt action is as deadly as a semi-auto, you are something else. Ridiculous on its face.

Tell that to the 16 dead and 32 injured by charles whitman

duffblue: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: I've put 20 hits on 10 targets with three reloads in less than a 90 seconds.

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All I'm pointing out is that the ability to put a lot of rounds on target quickly isn't unique to magazine-fed "assault weapons"... and in fact a 100+ year old bolt action rifle is easily capable of it. Which cleanly undermines the fallacious argument that "assault weapons" are somehow significantly more deadly in that regard. They're not, and it's a clear sign of ignorance about the subject matter to claim so.

Then again, I can tell you're not actually interested in rational, calm discourse.

If you're trying to make the argument that bolt action is as deadly as a semi-auto, you are something else. Ridiculous on its face.

Tell that to the 16 dead and 32 injured by charles whitman


16 dead in 2 hours with a bolt action rifle.

26 dead in 10 minutes with a semi-auto.

Is this the math Gunfappers use to make themselves feel better? Oh wait, that's what the guns are for. Sorry.


So bolt action rifles aren't as deadly as semiautomatic rifles? Got it.
 
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