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2013-01-09 05:05:14 PM

The_Sponge: CSB:

I was checking out gunsamerica.com last night, and two guys were selling the same model of Colt AR that I have....one was priced at $2,500....and the other one was $4,000!!!!


well don;t use an auction site.


The LGS near me are still selling the ARs that come in at sub 1000 prices.

The ARs on consignment are up around 2k though.
 
2013-01-09 05:05:16 PM

Mrbogey: Enjoy your rights while you can.


I know, right?  I should have stocked up on laudanum before the Harrison Narcotics Tax Act of 1914.
 
2013-01-09 05:05:18 PM
that's torn it. wild pigs are gonna invade and take over the country now.
 
2013-01-09 05:05:35 PM

nevirus: Obama's gotta be trolling. This has been one of the hottest, most emotional issues for the 'baggers lately... he's trying to get their heads to explode.


Baggers? There are 300 million guns in America. Not that many 'baggers.
 
2013-01-09 05:05:45 PM

nevirus: Obama's gotta be trolling. This has been one of the hottest, most emotional issues for the 'baggers lately


It's one of the hottest, most emotional issues for the rest of America too. 20 slaughtered children will do that.
 
2013-01-09 05:05:52 PM

super_grass: odinsposse: Oh, and there are about 80,000 alcohol related deaths per year. Cite

Yes but alcohol aren't deadly military-style killing machines designed to kill people harder than your average people-killing pistol.

Plus alcohol is my vice of choice, so hands off.


so your an alchoholic?

Like I am a gun nut?
 
2013-01-09 05:06:00 PM
 
2013-01-09 05:06:31 PM

super_grass: odinsposse: Oh, and there are about 80,000 alcohol related deaths per year. Cite

Yes but alcohol aren't deadly military-style killing machines designed to kill people harder than your average people-killing pistol.

Plus alcohol is my vice of choice, so hands off.


All rifles, including assault rifles killed ~400 people last year. I would guess Advil killed more.

I can't wrap my head around wanting to remove literally tens of millions of rifles to maybe sorta kinda have a possibility of a chance to reduce 400 murders, even though they probably would have been killed another way for pissing someone off enough to kill someone.
 
2013-01-09 05:06:45 PM

AbbeySomeone: I can understand rifles and pistols but why do people need the big weaponry ie, assault rifles, etc?


You do realize that we're not talking about actual assault rifles, don't you? Those are already heavily regulated. We're talking about semi-automatic rifles that are actually less powerful than many traditional hunting rifles (but are also semi-automatic, lever, or bolt action, depending on the specific rifle). They just look different.
 
2013-01-09 05:06:51 PM
Tens of millions would consider such a thing treason and refuse to comply. I hope.
 
2013-01-09 05:07:58 PM
Maybe now, we can finally castrate the gun makers' lobby and get some real reform around this joint.
 
2013-01-09 05:08:01 PM
I can't wait to be lectured about my gun rights by an administration responsible for giving guns to Mexican drug cartels.
 
2013-01-09 05:08:27 PM

AbbeySomeone: I can understand rifles and pistols but why do people need the big weaponry ie, assault rifles, etc?


Assault rifles shoot the same size of cartrige as many hunging rifles. In fact, the typical assault riflle cartridge (.223/5.56 Nato) is on the small side for rifle calibers.
 
2013-01-09 05:08:44 PM

The_Sponge: CSB:

I was checking out gunsamerica.com last night, and two guys were selling the same model of Colt AR that I have....one was priced at $2,500....and the other one was $4,000!!!!


Yea, and it may get even more hilarious as the sabres keep rattling.

/time to make more popcorn!
 
2013-01-09 05:08:58 PM

Jaws_Victim: Good. And when crazy pants people like that yelling dude on cnn decide to retaliate, we can put them away forever and make the world a better place.


Somehow, I didn't expect our resident TSA flunkie to say anything different.

/nice jack boots
 
2013-01-09 05:09:05 PM

Mr.BobDobalita: super_grass: odinsposse: Oh, and there are about 80,000 alcohol related deaths per year. Cite

Yes but alcohol aren't deadly military-style killing machines designed to kill people harder than your average people-killing pistol.

Plus alcohol is my vice of choice, so hands off.

All rifles, including assault rifles killed ~400 people last year. I would guess Advil killed more.

I can't wrap my head around wanting to remove literally tens of millions of rifles to maybe sorta kinda have a possibility of a chance to reduce 400 murders, even though they probably would have been killed another way for pissing someone off enough to kill someone.



How about having the National Guard patrol black neighborhoods? Has Obama suggested that yet? I would imagine that could cut down on thousands of homicides a year.
 
2013-01-09 05:09:12 PM
Think about the principle of this.

What if he were to issue an executive order eroding some part of the first amendment? Or any of a number of others that you might favor. How would you react?

In my mind, it's the same thing.

Let's be more straightforward. If the 2nd amendment needs to go, amend the constitution. If we need to go to war, let's have Congress make a declaration thereof. Ad naseum.

Recall how most of us felt with the legal, extra-legal, and even ethical gymnastics that occurred to "legalize" torture?

It's just all the same to me.
 
2013-01-09 05:09:12 PM
"We are not going to get caught up in the notion that unless we can do everything we're going to do nothing," Biden said. "It's critically important that we act."

It would be nice if Democrats were willing to apply this standard to illegal immigration. Unless we have a "comprehensive" fix, they say, there's no point in doing anything else, like building a fence or stepping up workplace enforcement. Looks like their perspective mutates depending on the issue.
 
2013-01-09 05:09:25 PM
Charge the Hoverrounds up Honey, we're goin' to war!

/lol @ the hateful hillbillies
 
2013-01-09 05:09:28 PM

Mr.BobDobalita: super_grass: odinsposse: Oh, and there are about 80,000 alcohol related deaths per year. Cite

Yes but alcohol aren't deadly military-style killing machines designed to kill people harder than your average people-killing pistol.

Plus alcohol is my vice of choice, so hands off.

All rifles, including assault rifles killed ~400 people last year. I would guess Advil killed more.

I can't wrap my head around wanting to remove literally tens of millions of rifles to maybe sorta kinda have a possibility of a chance to reduce 400 murders, even though they probably would have been killed another way for pissing someone off enough to kill someone.


"Assault weapon bans" advocates are irrational, poorly informed and unreasonable. Facts are of absolutely no relevance to their position.
 
2013-01-09 05:09:33 PM
Not that I"m saying I would want to be shot by ANY of these... but seriously... why are people calling the .223 "high powered"? High powered .22 maybe...

www.firearmstalk.com
 
2013-01-09 05:09:37 PM

Theburner: Giltric: Theburner: Poor people buy AR's, rich people buy SCAR's.

Poor people buy Stags and DPMS....wealthy people buy Noveske and LaRue.

And crazies buy Bushmasters! ;)


Middle class people like me buy Colts.
 
2013-01-09 05:09:43 PM

Giltric: super_grass: odinsposse: Oh, and there are about 80,000 alcohol related deaths per year. Cite

Yes but alcohol aren't deadly military-style killing machines designed to kill people harder than your average people-killing pistol.

Plus alcohol is my vice of choice, so hands off.

so your an alchoholic?

Like I am a gun nut?



Yes, but my particular vice's deaths are spread out and rarely occupies an entire news cycle and is more "socially acceptable". There's no particular cluster of killings that people can point to, therefore it's safe.

/s
 
2013-01-09 05:09:55 PM
Pub President gets in power, you will of course, be fine with him simply making whatever law he wants too, because liberals are honest and fair.
 
2013-01-09 05:10:15 PM

AbbeySomeone: I can understand rifles and pistols but why do people need the big weaponry ie, assault rifles, etc?


To shoot American soldiers and police officers.

Of course, they don't say that until later in the conversation but they get around to it eventually.
 
2013-01-09 05:10:34 PM

Infernalist: Maybe now, we can finally castrate the gun makers' lobby and get some real reform around this joint.


0/10
 
2013-01-09 05:10:50 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: AbbeySomeone: I can understand rifles and pistols but why do people need the big weaponry ie, assault rifles, etc?

To shoot American soldiers and police officers.

Of course, they don't say that until later in the conversation but they get around to it eventually.


Are you actually that misinformed, or are you just lying?
 
2013-01-09 05:10:54 PM

The_Sponge: Theburner: Giltric: Theburner: Poor people buy AR's, rich people buy SCAR's.

Poor people buy Stags and DPMS....wealthy people buy Noveske and LaRue.

And crazies buy Bushmasters! ;)

Middle class people like me buy Colts.


I have a couple Colts they are good weapons. As accurate as my safe queens are but for half the price.
 
2013-01-09 05:11:25 PM

The_Sponge: Theburner: Giltric: Theburner: Poor people buy AR's, rich people buy SCAR's.

Poor people buy Stags and DPMS....wealthy people buy Noveske and LaRue.

And crazies buy Bushmasters! ;)

Middle class people like me buy Colts.


I purchased a DPMS. What does that imply?
 
2013-01-09 05:11:35 PM

Thunderpipes: Pub President gets in power, you will of course, be fine with him simply making whatever law he wants too, because liberals are honest and fair.


Good, glad to see you're finally accepting the truth.

/dipshiat
 
2013-01-09 05:11:51 PM

Dimensio: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: AbbeySomeone: I can understand rifles and pistols but why do people need the big weaponry ie, assault rifles, etc?

To shoot American soldiers and police officers.

Of course, they don't say that until later in the conversation but they get around to it eventually.

Are you actually that misinformed, or are you just lying?


No just a tired troll that doesn't even bother trying anymore.
 
2013-01-09 05:12:12 PM
A big chunk of gun-related deaths have to do with gang violence - which largely results from the drug war.

Want to lower gun deaths? End the drug war. Disarming the law-abiding populace is not the right answer.
 
2013-01-09 05:12:15 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: AbbeySomeone: I can understand rifles and pistols but why do people need the big weaponry ie, assault rifles, etc?

To shoot American soldiers and police officers.

Of course, they don't say that until later in the conversation but they get around to it eventually.


And they always start off the conversation as 'angry law-abiding citizens' and end up visualizing themselves alongside Patrick Swazye in Red Dawn. Only they're not firing at Cubans and Russians, they're firing at American soldiers.
 
2013-01-09 05:12:19 PM

jjorsett: "We are not going to get caught up in the notion that unless we can do everything we're going to do nothing," Biden said. "It's critically important that we act."

It would be nice if Democrats were willing to apply this standard to illegal immigration. Unless we have a "comprehensive" fix, they say, there's no point in doing anything else, like building a fence or stepping up workplace enforcement. Looks like their perspective mutates depending on the issue.


Psst, go look at deportation numbers under Obama. Now reevaluate your comment.
 
2013-01-09 05:12:24 PM

Vectron: He just made Smith and Wesson's first quarter, a bang on one.


Well, unless he plans on tripling the price by declaring a 200 PERCENT FIREARM TAX.

Actually, that wouldn't be bad public policy. Newtown happened not because "guns are legal," but because a schizo kid had a goddamn arsenal right there in his house. And that happened because it's become a teatard fad for everyone and your mother to have a badass arsenal for recreational shooting and because society's about to collapse. One of those oodles of heavily armed people is bound to have a schizo kid.

To combat this, what you need to do is have a policy that lets people keep and bear arms, but somehow reduces the raw number of weapons and "enthusiasts" stockpiling assault rifles on every block. A massive tax would probably serve that purpose.
 
2013-01-09 05:12:30 PM
In 2011, the latest year for which detailed statistics are available, there were 12,664 murders in the US. Of those, 8,583 were caused by firearms, down 3% from a year earlier.

So, how many of those were assualt rifle murders? Eight thousand? One?

Also, how many of those gun murders were gang bangers popping each other? Because no one gives a fark about them.
 
2013-01-09 05:12:33 PM

super_grass: Giltric: super_grass: odinsposse: Oh, and there are about 80,000 alcohol related deaths per year. Cite

Yes but alcohol aren't deadly military-style killing machines designed to kill people harder than your average people-killing pistol.

Plus alcohol is my vice of choice, so hands off.

so your an alchoholic?

Like I am a gun nut?


Yes, but my particular vice's deaths are spread out and rarely occupies an entire news cycle and is more "socially acceptable". There's no particular cluster of killings that people can point to, therefore it's safe.

/s


100k dead via alchohol vs 10k for firearms?

Are you sure you didn;t soak some shrooms in your glass before drinking?
 
2013-01-09 05:12:37 PM

Vectron: There are 300 million guns in America. Not that many 'baggers.


But the 'baggers tend to believe in the worst possible scenarios. "Obama considering an executive order" probably sounds to them like he's considering rescinding the second amendment in its entirety. Due to their deranged obsession with all things Obama, this little announcement will likely raise their blood pressure to dangerous levels.

Dusk-You-n-Me: It's one of the hottest, most emotional issues for the rest of America too. 20 slaughtered children will do that.


True... we may be in for some fireworks.
 
2013-01-09 05:12:41 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: To shoot American soldiers and police officers.


only if needed to beat back tyranny.
 
2013-01-09 05:12:52 PM
Why is it absolutely imperative that something *must* be done? Violent crime is half what it was 40 years ago and the decline seems set to continue.
 
2013-01-09 05:12:54 PM

The_Sponge: CSB:

I was checking out gunsamerica.com last night, and two guys were selling the same model of Colt AR that I have....one was priced at $2,500....and the other one was $4,000!!!!


LE 6920? Same one here. A really nice rifle.
 
2013-01-09 05:12:59 PM
NPR ran a story a few weeks ago regarding gun manufacturers, the NRA, gun owners, etc. They brought up an interesting point about guns: unlike most other products, they're durable and don't need to be replaced every few years. Plenty of people are still hunting with ol' Grandad's 80-year-old rifle. The only way gun makers survive is by selling new weapons, not replacements. Paranoia and panic ("herp derp, government's gonna take away yer guns!") feed right into their need to make sales, so it won't surprise me one bit if the NRA (aka gun maker's lobby) actually supports certain facets of potential restrictions that boost sales.
 
2013-01-09 05:13:11 PM
The black man gonna revoke your man card.
 
2013-01-09 05:13:17 PM

tnpir: Thunderpipes: Pub President gets in power, you will of course, be fine with him simply making whatever law he wants too, because liberals are honest and fair.

Good, glad to see you're finally accepting the truth.

/dipshiat


We should just abolish the silly Congress thingie. Just proclaim Obama Emperor and all your dreams come true.
 
2013-01-09 05:13:41 PM

Dimensio: The_Sponge: Theburner: Giltric: Theburner: Poor people buy AR's, rich people buy SCAR's.

Poor people buy Stags and DPMS....wealthy people buy Noveske and LaRue.

And crazies buy Bushmasters! ;)

Middle class people like me buy Colts.

I purchased a DPMS. What does that imply?


You have 2 club feet and a hair lip as well as being poor?
 
2013-01-09 05:13:46 PM

Infernalist: Maybe now, we can finally castrate the gun makers' lobby and get some real reform around this joint.


That's like saying we should could stop oil company lobbying so we can do something about oil consumption in this country.

It comes down to you and me and our consumption habits.

People want guns to protect their family or hunt or the pleasure of collecting and shooting. They are not being sold the idea by a lobby group or manufacturer.
 
2013-01-09 05:13:54 PM

Xcott: Vectron: He just made Smith and Wesson's first quarter, a bang on one.

Well, unless he plans on tripling the price by declaring a 200 PERCENT FIREARM TAX.

Actually, that wouldn't be bad public policy. Newtown happened not because "guns are legal," but because a schizo kid had a goddamn arsenal right there in his house. And that happened because it's become a teatard fad for everyone and your mother to have a badass arsenal for recreational shooting and because society's about to collapse. One of those oodles of heavily armed people is bound to have a schizo kid.

To combat this, what you need to do is have a policy that lets people keep and bear arms, but somehow reduces the raw number of weapons and "enthusiasts" stockpiling assault rifles on every block. A massive tax would probably serve that purpose.


$5000 per bullet should suffice.
 
2013-01-09 05:14:05 PM
Good luck Fartbongo, you're gonna need it.
 
2013-01-09 05:14:10 PM

Xcott: Vectron: He just made Smith and Wesson's first quarter, a bang on one.

Well, unless he plans on tripling the price by declaring a 200 PERCENT FIREARM TAX.

Actually, that wouldn't be bad public policy. Newtown happened not because "guns are legal," but because a schizo kid had a goddamn arsenal right there in his house. And that happened because it's become a teatard fad for everyone and your mother to have a badass arsenal for recreational shooting and because society's about to collapse. One of those oodles of heavily armed people is bound to have a schizo kid.

To combat this, what you need to do is have a policy that lets people keep and bear arms, but somehow reduces the raw number of weapons and "enthusiasts" stockpiling assault rifles on every block. A massive tax would probably serve that purpose.


Is the President empowered to impose new taxes by fiat? How would such a tax survive Constitutional challenge?
 
2013-01-09 05:14:48 PM

duffblue: I can't wait to be lectured about my gun rights by an administration responsible for giving guns to Mexican drug cartels.


I hate to be that guy but , THIS. What a farking joke.
 
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