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2013-01-09 04:19:51 PM  
I think some tea kettles would boil over.
 
2013-01-09 04:25:07 PM  

Dejah: I think some tea kettles would boil over.


This is probably just the Obama administration trolling the hell out of the libertarians, but we should at least consider the possibility that something more insidious is going on.  You're right:  this would really piss off the tea party, and they could conceivably go far enough to justify Obama cracking down with martial law.  I'm not saying it's going to happen that way, but we've got to start thinking like they do before it's too late.
 
2013-01-09 04:37:43 PM  

Lucky LaRue: You're right: this would really piss off the tea party, and they could conceivably go far enough to justify Obama cracking down with martial law.


The Hoverounds would die before they got anywhere near the capitol.
 
2013-01-09 04:53:13 PM  
We get it! You're scared!
 
2013-01-09 04:53:58 PM  
If I were a selfish 1% with a warehouse full of semi-autos and my own private police I'd support a ban too.
 
2013-01-09 04:54:12 PM  
I'm cool with only rich people having guns
 
2013-01-09 04:54:52 PM  
And I may suddenly mutate into a dragon that breathes lightning and shiats diamonds.

Come back when you morons have something more concrete than "May," "Might" or "Could."
 
2013-01-09 04:55:07 PM  

ourbigdumbmouth: I'm cool with only rich people having guns


Move to Mexico.
 
2013-01-09 04:55:14 PM  
I swear he's getting paid by the gun manufacturers.
 
2013-01-09 04:55:44 PM  
Good. And when crazy pants people like that yelling dude on cnn decide to retaliate, we can put them away forever and make the world a better place.
 
2013-01-09 04:55:48 PM  
If only there were another president in that room when he made that decision.
 
2013-01-09 04:56:07 PM  
Alex Jones is gonna be pissed!

I finally saw that clip with him and PM. OMG, that guy is a loud mouthed schnook if I ever heard one!
 
2013-01-09 04:56:25 PM  
Damn it! I've been trying to buy an AR-15 for 3 months as my Christmas present to myself. Between the empty shelves and the jacked-up prices, I have been waiting for things to settle down.

This is not helping!
 
2013-01-09 04:56:49 PM  
"We are not going to get caught up in the notion that unless we can do everything we're going to do nothing," Biden said. "It's critically important that we act."

Oh, I'm sure you guys will do something...whether it's a horrible abortion of a bill, twisted into worthlessness as a result of misguided desire to compromise and not piss off the nutwing right, is the actual question.
 
2013-01-09 04:56:55 PM  
Good. Long overdue.

Suck it, gun nuts.
 
2013-01-09 04:57:08 PM  

durbnpoisn: Alex Jones is gonna be pissed!

I finally saw that clip with him and PM. OMG, that guy is a loud mouthed schnook if I ever heard one!


Why do you think they invited him?
 
2013-01-09 04:57:23 PM  
Probably not a good time to have a job in a federal building.

/At least, move your kids to another daycare
 
2013-01-09 04:57:34 PM  
In b4 gun nuts complain that Obama is somehow conspiring against them.

NOBODY IS TRYING TO TAKE YOUR GUNZ AWAY
 
2013-01-09 04:57:48 PM  
President Morsi of Egypt pushed his own agenda through, why shouldn't Obama. It isn't like Obama is an elected official in the country that is supposed to be the poster child for democracy.
 
2013-01-09 04:57:54 PM  
And I may be having sex with Maria Ozawa tonight, but it aint likely to happen.
 
2013-01-09 04:57:59 PM  

Emposter: "We are not going to get caught up in the notion that unless we can do everything we're going to do nothing," Biden said. "It's critically important that we act."

Oh, I'm sure you guys will do something...whether it's a horrible abortion of a bill, twisted into worthlessness as a result of misguided desire to compromise and not piss off the nutwing right, is the actual question.


Or, you know, not shiat on the Constitution. There is that, you know.
 
2013-01-09 04:58:00 PM  

durbnpoisn: Alex Jones is gonna be pissed!


I guess 1776 will commence again.
 
2013-01-09 04:58:06 PM  
Obama: Gun salesperson of the decade.
 
2013-01-09 04:58:42 PM  
Deaths from guns are on pace to surpass traffic deaths in the United States by 2015, according to a Bloomberg News study. In 2011, the latest year for which detailed statistics are available, there were 12,664 murders in the US. Of those, 8,583 were caused by firearms, down 3% from a year earlier."

Hate guns but believe they should be legal.

Cars are safer than they've ever been.Back up cameras, shiat to keep you awake, etc.

What executive order is the dumbass going to pass to stop the other 4000 murders?
 
2013-01-09 04:58:43 PM  

ourbigdumbmouth: I'm cool with only rich people having guns


i keep hearing this talking point. can anyone elucidate?
 
2013-01-09 04:59:01 PM  
Hey, if Congress won't act, it makes sense for Obama to do something.
 
2013-01-09 04:59:30 PM  

FlashHarry: ourbigdumbmouth: I'm cool with only rich people having guns

i keep hearing this talking point. can anyone elucidate?


A poor person can afford a $1000 AR-15, but $3000 is just out of their price range for good.
 
2013-01-09 04:59:45 PM  

durbnpoisn: Alex Jones is gonna be pissed!

I finally saw that clip with him and PM. OMG, that guy is a loud mouthed schnook if I ever heard one!


Amen. Imagine, someone who could make me root for Pierced Organ!

Don't get me wrong; Piers is still a prick and needs to be forcibly removed from public discourse. It doesn't matter what "side" he "chooses", the guy's a prick. Shut up, prick. Prickprickprickprick.
 
2013-01-09 05:00:31 PM  

hbk72777: Deaths from guns are on pace to surpass traffic deaths in the United States by 2015, according to a Bloomberg News study. In 2011, the latest year for which detailed statistics are available, there were 12,664 murders in the US. Of those, 8,583 were caused by firearms, down 3% from a year earlier."

Hate guns but believe they should be legal.

Cars are safer than they've ever been.Back up cameras, shiat to keep you awake, etc.

What executive order is the dumbass going to pass to stop the other 4000 murders?


I believe they're including suicides in that number, though I'd have to look it up to make sure. Not the 13K homicide number, as they'd be excluded. IIRC, the last number was around 30K or so total firearm deaths.
 
2013-01-09 05:00:41 PM  

hbk72777: Deaths from guns are on pace to surpass traffic deaths in the United States by 2015, according to a Bloomberg News study. In 2011, the latest year for which detailed statistics are available, there were 12,664 murders in the US. Of those, 8,583 were caused by firearms, down 3% from a year earlier."

Hate guns but believe they should be legal.

Cars are safer than they've ever been.Back up cameras, shiat to keep you awake, etc.

What executive order is the dumbass going to pass to stop the other 4000 murders?


Maybe people are jobless so there is less commuting? People taking less trips because they are tightening the belt?
 
2013-01-09 05:00:47 PM  
He just made Smith and Wesson's first quarter, a bang on one.
 
2013-01-09 05:01:00 PM  

hbk72777: Deaths from guns are on pace to surpass traffic deaths in the United States by 2015, according to a Bloomberg News study. In 2011, the latest year for which detailed statistics are available, there were 12,664 murders in the US. Of those, 8,583 were caused by firearms, down 3% from a year earlier."

Hate guns but believe they should be legal.

Cars are safer than they've ever been.Back up cameras, shiat to keep you awake, etc.

What executive order is the dumbass going to pass to stop the other 4000 murders?


Alcohol is probably a better analogy than cars. Most people use it for entertainment. Some people have a legitimate need for it. Some people abuse it. Banning it outright would cause more problems than it solves. Counseling for abusers/potential abusers is a better way to address the problems.
 
2013-01-09 05:01:01 PM  
time to kick back and watch the crazy roll in
 
2013-01-09 05:01:01 PM  
Poor people buy AR's, rich people buy SCAR's.
 
2013-01-09 05:01:01 PM  
"You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers."

Your proposal is acceptable.
 
2013-01-09 05:01:06 PM  
Gun owners truly believe that one day they are going to bust into the white house and start running things.
 
2013-01-09 05:01:13 PM  

Jaws_Victim: Good. And when crazy pants people like that yelling dude on cnn decide to retaliate, we can put them away forever and make the world a better place.


So were you also waiting and hoping Piers Morgan would rear back and coldcock that motherfarker upside the head?
 
2013-01-09 05:01:35 PM  

wombatsrus: Hey, if Congress won't act, it makes sense for Obama to do something.


Well, except that whole separation of powers things. Obama doesn't get to make law.
 
2013-01-09 05:01:35 PM  

L82DPRT: If I were a selfish 1% with a warehouse full of semi-autos and my own private police I'd support a ban too.


That's cute how you're trying to turn that whole "1%" thing around on liberals.

It's almost as funny as when conservatives call liberals "elitists."  That usually gets a chuckle out of me.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have some popcorn to make.
 
2013-01-09 05:02:09 PM  

Gaumond: durbnpoisn: Alex Jones is gonna be pissed!

I guess 1776 will commence again.



What a patriot. He's laughing all the way to the bank.
 
2013-01-09 05:02:11 PM  

Theburner: Poor people buy AR's, rich people buy SCAR's.


Poor people buy Stags and DPMS....wealthy people buy Noveske and LaRue.
 
2013-01-09 05:02:20 PM  
Oh, and there are about 80,000 alcohol related deaths per year. Cite
 
2013-01-09 05:02:24 PM  
Of course if anything happens to Hobama then Biden becomes el Presidente so he's as safe as a babe in his mother's arms.

img.gawkerassets.com
 
2013-01-09 05:02:32 PM  

RickN99: Damn it! I've been trying to buy an AR-15 for 3 months as my Christmas present to myself. Between the empty shelves and the jacked-up prices, I have been waiting for things to settle down.

This is not helping!


For about 400$ you can build a receiver. Then order the upper for a few hundred more. You can't ever sell it but there you go.

Enjoy your rights while you can.
 
2013-01-09 05:03:07 PM  

Giltric: Theburner: Poor people buy AR's, rich people buy SCAR's.

Poor people buy Stags and DPMS....wealthy people buy Noveske and LaRue.


And crazies buy Bushmasters! ;)
 
2013-01-09 05:03:24 PM  
Obama's gotta be trolling. This has been one of the hottest, most emotional issues for the 'baggers lately... he's trying to get their heads to explode.
 
2013-01-09 05:04:01 PM  
CSB:

I was checking out gunsamerica.com last night, and two guys were selling the same model of Colt AR that I have....one was priced at $2,500....and the other one was $4,000!!!!
 
2013-01-09 05:04:19 PM  
Hey, if Congress won't act, it makes sense for Obama to do something.

Yeah, to hell with that separation of powers crap. We need a President for Life! Much more efficient.

/if he does an executive order, the civil war will start
 
2013-01-09 05:04:19 PM  

odinsposse: Oh, and there are about 80,000 alcohol related deaths per year. Cite


Yes but alcohol aren't deadly military-style killing machines designed to kill people harder than your average people-killing pistol.

Plus alcohol is my vice of choice, so hands off.
 
2013-01-09 05:04:29 PM  
I can understand rifles and pistols but why do people need the big weaponry ie, assault rifles, etc?
 
2013-01-09 05:05:14 PM  

The_Sponge: CSB:

I was checking out gunsamerica.com last night, and two guys were selling the same model of Colt AR that I have....one was priced at $2,500....and the other one was $4,000!!!!


well don;t use an auction site.


The LGS near me are still selling the ARs that come in at sub 1000 prices.

The ARs on consignment are up around 2k though.
 
2013-01-09 05:05:16 PM  

Mrbogey: Enjoy your rights while you can.


I know, right?  I should have stocked up on laudanum before the Harrison Narcotics Tax Act of 1914.
 
2013-01-09 05:05:18 PM  
that's torn it. wild pigs are gonna invade and take over the country now.
 
2013-01-09 05:05:35 PM  

nevirus: Obama's gotta be trolling. This has been one of the hottest, most emotional issues for the 'baggers lately... he's trying to get their heads to explode.


Baggers? There are 300 million guns in America. Not that many 'baggers.
 
2013-01-09 05:05:45 PM  

nevirus: Obama's gotta be trolling. This has been one of the hottest, most emotional issues for the 'baggers lately


It's one of the hottest, most emotional issues for the rest of America too. 20 slaughtered children will do that.
 
2013-01-09 05:05:52 PM  

super_grass: odinsposse: Oh, and there are about 80,000 alcohol related deaths per year. Cite

Yes but alcohol aren't deadly military-style killing machines designed to kill people harder than your average people-killing pistol.

Plus alcohol is my vice of choice, so hands off.


so your an alchoholic?

Like I am a gun nut?
 
2013-01-09 05:06:00 PM  
 
2013-01-09 05:06:31 PM  

super_grass: odinsposse: Oh, and there are about 80,000 alcohol related deaths per year. Cite

Yes but alcohol aren't deadly military-style killing machines designed to kill people harder than your average people-killing pistol.

Plus alcohol is my vice of choice, so hands off.


All rifles, including assault rifles killed ~400 people last year. I would guess Advil killed more.

I can't wrap my head around wanting to remove literally tens of millions of rifles to maybe sorta kinda have a possibility of a chance to reduce 400 murders, even though they probably would have been killed another way for pissing someone off enough to kill someone.
 
2013-01-09 05:06:45 PM  

AbbeySomeone: I can understand rifles and pistols but why do people need the big weaponry ie, assault rifles, etc?


You do realize that we're not talking about actual assault rifles, don't you? Those are already heavily regulated. We're talking about semi-automatic rifles that are actually less powerful than many traditional hunting rifles (but are also semi-automatic, lever, or bolt action, depending on the specific rifle). They just look different.
 
2013-01-09 05:06:51 PM  
Tens of millions would consider such a thing treason and refuse to comply. I hope.
 
2013-01-09 05:07:58 PM  
Maybe now, we can finally castrate the gun makers' lobby and get some real reform around this joint.
 
2013-01-09 05:08:01 PM  
I can't wait to be lectured about my gun rights by an administration responsible for giving guns to Mexican drug cartels.
 
2013-01-09 05:08:27 PM  

AbbeySomeone: I can understand rifles and pistols but why do people need the big weaponry ie, assault rifles, etc?


Assault rifles shoot the same size of cartrige as many hunging rifles. In fact, the typical assault riflle cartridge (.223/5.56 Nato) is on the small side for rifle calibers.
 
2013-01-09 05:08:44 PM  

The_Sponge: CSB:

I was checking out gunsamerica.com last night, and two guys were selling the same model of Colt AR that I have....one was priced at $2,500....and the other one was $4,000!!!!


Yea, and it may get even more hilarious as the sabres keep rattling.

/time to make more popcorn!
 
2013-01-09 05:08:58 PM  

Jaws_Victim: Good. And when crazy pants people like that yelling dude on cnn decide to retaliate, we can put them away forever and make the world a better place.


Somehow, I didn't expect our resident TSA flunkie to say anything different.

/nice jack boots
 
2013-01-09 05:09:05 PM  

Mr.BobDobalita: super_grass: odinsposse: Oh, and there are about 80,000 alcohol related deaths per year. Cite

Yes but alcohol aren't deadly military-style killing machines designed to kill people harder than your average people-killing pistol.

Plus alcohol is my vice of choice, so hands off.

All rifles, including assault rifles killed ~400 people last year. I would guess Advil killed more.

I can't wrap my head around wanting to remove literally tens of millions of rifles to maybe sorta kinda have a possibility of a chance to reduce 400 murders, even though they probably would have been killed another way for pissing someone off enough to kill someone.



How about having the National Guard patrol black neighborhoods? Has Obama suggested that yet? I would imagine that could cut down on thousands of homicides a year.
 
2013-01-09 05:09:12 PM  
Think about the principle of this.

What if he were to issue an executive order eroding some part of the first amendment? Or any of a number of others that you might favor. How would you react?

In my mind, it's the same thing.

Let's be more straightforward. If the 2nd amendment needs to go, amend the constitution. If we need to go to war, let's have Congress make a declaration thereof. Ad naseum.

Recall how most of us felt with the legal, extra-legal, and even ethical gymnastics that occurred to "legalize" torture?

It's just all the same to me.
 
2013-01-09 05:09:12 PM  
"We are not going to get caught up in the notion that unless we can do everything we're going to do nothing," Biden said. "It's critically important that we act."

It would be nice if Democrats were willing to apply this standard to illegal immigration. Unless we have a "comprehensive" fix, they say, there's no point in doing anything else, like building a fence or stepping up workplace enforcement. Looks like their perspective mutates depending on the issue.
 
2013-01-09 05:09:25 PM  
Charge the Hoverrounds up Honey, we're goin' to war!

/lol @ the hateful hillbillies
 
2013-01-09 05:09:28 PM  

Mr.BobDobalita: super_grass: odinsposse: Oh, and there are about 80,000 alcohol related deaths per year. Cite

Yes but alcohol aren't deadly military-style killing machines designed to kill people harder than your average people-killing pistol.

Plus alcohol is my vice of choice, so hands off.

All rifles, including assault rifles killed ~400 people last year. I would guess Advil killed more.

I can't wrap my head around wanting to remove literally tens of millions of rifles to maybe sorta kinda have a possibility of a chance to reduce 400 murders, even though they probably would have been killed another way for pissing someone off enough to kill someone.


"Assault weapon bans" advocates are irrational, poorly informed and unreasonable. Facts are of absolutely no relevance to their position.
 
2013-01-09 05:09:33 PM  
Not that I"m saying I would want to be shot by ANY of these... but seriously... why are people calling the .223 "high powered"? High powered .22 maybe...

www.firearmstalk.com
 
2013-01-09 05:09:37 PM  

Theburner: Giltric: Theburner: Poor people buy AR's, rich people buy SCAR's.

Poor people buy Stags and DPMS....wealthy people buy Noveske and LaRue.

And crazies buy Bushmasters! ;)


Middle class people like me buy Colts.
 
2013-01-09 05:09:43 PM  

Giltric: super_grass: odinsposse: Oh, and there are about 80,000 alcohol related deaths per year. Cite

Yes but alcohol aren't deadly military-style killing machines designed to kill people harder than your average people-killing pistol.

Plus alcohol is my vice of choice, so hands off.

so your an alchoholic?

Like I am a gun nut?



Yes, but my particular vice's deaths are spread out and rarely occupies an entire news cycle and is more "socially acceptable". There's no particular cluster of killings that people can point to, therefore it's safe.

/s
 
2013-01-09 05:09:55 PM  
Pub President gets in power, you will of course, be fine with him simply making whatever law he wants too, because liberals are honest and fair.
 
2013-01-09 05:10:15 PM  

AbbeySomeone: I can understand rifles and pistols but why do people need the big weaponry ie, assault rifles, etc?


To shoot American soldiers and police officers.

Of course, they don't say that until later in the conversation but they get around to it eventually.
 
2013-01-09 05:10:34 PM  

Infernalist: Maybe now, we can finally castrate the gun makers' lobby and get some real reform around this joint.


I live with my mom
 
2013-01-09 05:10:50 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: AbbeySomeone: I can understand rifles and pistols but why do people need the big weaponry ie, assault rifles, etc?

To shoot American soldiers and police officers.

Of course, they don't say that until later in the conversation but they get around to it eventually.


Are you actually that misinformed, or are you just lying?
 
2013-01-09 05:10:54 PM  

The_Sponge: Theburner: Giltric: Theburner: Poor people buy AR's, rich people buy SCAR's.

Poor people buy Stags and DPMS....wealthy people buy Noveske and LaRue.

And crazies buy Bushmasters! ;)

Middle class people like me buy Colts.


I have a couple Colts they are good weapons. As accurate as my safe queens are but for half the price.
 
2013-01-09 05:11:25 PM  

The_Sponge: Theburner: Giltric: Theburner: Poor people buy AR's, rich people buy SCAR's.

Poor people buy Stags and DPMS....wealthy people buy Noveske and LaRue.

And crazies buy Bushmasters! ;)

Middle class people like me buy Colts.


I purchased a DPMS. What does that imply?
 
2013-01-09 05:11:35 PM  

Thunderpipes: Pub President gets in power, you will of course, be fine with him simply making whatever law he wants too, because liberals are honest and fair.


Good, glad to see you're finally accepting the truth.

/dipshiat
 
2013-01-09 05:11:51 PM  

Dimensio: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: AbbeySomeone: I can understand rifles and pistols but why do people need the big weaponry ie, assault rifles, etc?

To shoot American soldiers and police officers.

Of course, they don't say that until later in the conversation but they get around to it eventually.

Are you actually that misinformed, or are you just lying?


No just a tired troll that doesn't even bother trying anymore.
 
2013-01-09 05:12:12 PM  
A big chunk of gun-related deaths have to do with gang violence - which largely results from the drug war.

Want to lower gun deaths? End the drug war. Disarming the law-abiding populace is not the right answer.
 
2013-01-09 05:12:15 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: AbbeySomeone: I can understand rifles and pistols but why do people need the big weaponry ie, assault rifles, etc?

To shoot American soldiers and police officers.

Of course, they don't say that until later in the conversation but they get around to it eventually.


And they always start off the conversation as 'angry law-abiding citizens' and end up visualizing themselves alongside Patrick Swazye in Red Dawn. Only they're not firing at Cubans and Russians, they're firing at American soldiers.
 
2013-01-09 05:12:19 PM  

jjorsett: "We are not going to get caught up in the notion that unless we can do everything we're going to do nothing," Biden said. "It's critically important that we act."

It would be nice if Democrats were willing to apply this standard to illegal immigration. Unless we have a "comprehensive" fix, they say, there's no point in doing anything else, like building a fence or stepping up workplace enforcement. Looks like their perspective mutates depending on the issue.


Psst, go look at deportation numbers under Obama. Now reevaluate your comment.
 
2013-01-09 05:12:24 PM  

Vectron: He just made Smith and Wesson's first quarter, a bang on one.


Well, unless he plans on tripling the price by declaring a 200 PERCENT FIREARM TAX.

Actually, that wouldn't be bad public policy. Newtown happened not because "guns are legal," but because a schizo kid had a goddamn arsenal right there in his house. And that happened because it's become a teatard fad for everyone and your mother to have a badass arsenal for recreational shooting and because society's about to collapse. One of those oodles of heavily armed people is bound to have a schizo kid.

To combat this, what you need to do is have a policy that lets people keep and bear arms, but somehow reduces the raw number of weapons and "enthusiasts" stockpiling assault rifles on every block. A massive tax would probably serve that purpose.
 
2013-01-09 05:12:30 PM  
In 2011, the latest year for which detailed statistics are available, there were 12,664 murders in the US. Of those, 8,583 were caused by firearms, down 3% from a year earlier.

So, how many of those were assualt rifle murders? Eight thousand? One?

Also, how many of those gun murders were gang bangers popping each other? Because no one gives a fark about them.
 
2013-01-09 05:12:33 PM  

super_grass: Giltric: super_grass: odinsposse: Oh, and there are about 80,000 alcohol related deaths per year. Cite

Yes but alcohol aren't deadly military-style killing machines designed to kill people harder than your average people-killing pistol.

Plus alcohol is my vice of choice, so hands off.

so your an alchoholic?

Like I am a gun nut?


Yes, but my particular vice's deaths are spread out and rarely occupies an entire news cycle and is more "socially acceptable". There's no particular cluster of killings that people can point to, therefore it's safe.

/s


100k dead via alchohol vs 10k for firearms?

Are you sure you didn;t soak some shrooms in your glass before drinking?
 
2013-01-09 05:12:37 PM  

Vectron: There are 300 million guns in America. Not that many 'baggers.


But the 'baggers tend to believe in the worst possible scenarios. "Obama considering an executive order" probably sounds to them like he's considering rescinding the second amendment in its entirety. Due to their deranged obsession with all things Obama, this little announcement will likely raise their blood pressure to dangerous levels.

Dusk-You-n-Me: It's one of the hottest, most emotional issues for the rest of America too. 20 slaughtered children will do that.


True... we may be in for some fireworks.
 
2013-01-09 05:12:41 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: To shoot American soldiers and police officers.


only if needed to beat back tyranny.
 
2013-01-09 05:12:52 PM  
Why is it absolutely imperative that something *must* be done? Violent crime is half what it was 40 years ago and the decline seems set to continue.
 
2013-01-09 05:12:54 PM  

The_Sponge: CSB:

I was checking out gunsamerica.com last night, and two guys were selling the same model of Colt AR that I have....one was priced at $2,500....and the other one was $4,000!!!!


LE 6920? Same one here. A really nice rifle.
 
2013-01-09 05:12:59 PM  
NPR ran a story a few weeks ago regarding gun manufacturers, the NRA, gun owners, etc. They brought up an interesting point about guns: unlike most other products, they're durable and don't need to be replaced every few years. Plenty of people are still hunting with ol' Grandad's 80-year-old rifle. The only way gun makers survive is by selling new weapons, not replacements. Paranoia and panic ("herp derp, government's gonna take away yer guns!") feed right into their need to make sales, so it won't surprise me one bit if the NRA (aka gun maker's lobby) actually supports certain facets of potential restrictions that boost sales.
 
2013-01-09 05:13:11 PM  
The black man gonna revoke your man card.
 
2013-01-09 05:13:17 PM  

tnpir: Thunderpipes: Pub President gets in power, you will of course, be fine with him simply making whatever law he wants too, because liberals are honest and fair.

Good, glad to see you're finally accepting the truth.

/dipshiat


We should just abolish the silly Congress thingie. Just proclaim Obama Emperor and all your dreams come true.
 
2013-01-09 05:13:41 PM  

Dimensio: The_Sponge: Theburner: Giltric: Theburner: Poor people buy AR's, rich people buy SCAR's.

Poor people buy Stags and DPMS....wealthy people buy Noveske and LaRue.

And crazies buy Bushmasters! ;)

Middle class people like me buy Colts.

I purchased a DPMS. What does that imply?


You have 2 club feet and a hair lip as well as being poor?
 
2013-01-09 05:13:46 PM  

Infernalist: Maybe now, we can finally castrate the gun makers' lobby and get some real reform around this joint.


That's like saying we should could stop oil company lobbying so we can do something about oil consumption in this country.

It comes down to you and me and our consumption habits.

People want guns to protect their family or hunt or the pleasure of collecting and shooting. They are not being sold the idea by a lobby group or manufacturer.
 
2013-01-09 05:13:54 PM  

Xcott: Vectron: He just made Smith and Wesson's first quarter, a bang on one.

Well, unless he plans on tripling the price by declaring a 200 PERCENT FIREARM TAX.

Actually, that wouldn't be bad public policy. Newtown happened not because "guns are legal," but because a schizo kid had a goddamn arsenal right there in his house. And that happened because it's become a teatard fad for everyone and your mother to have a badass arsenal for recreational shooting and because society's about to collapse. One of those oodles of heavily armed people is bound to have a schizo kid.

To combat this, what you need to do is have a policy that lets people keep and bear arms, but somehow reduces the raw number of weapons and "enthusiasts" stockpiling assault rifles on every block. A massive tax would probably serve that purpose.


$5000 per bullet should suffice.
 
2013-01-09 05:14:05 PM  
Good luck Fartbongo, you're gonna need it.
 
2013-01-09 05:14:10 PM  

Xcott: Vectron: He just made Smith and Wesson's first quarter, a bang on one.

Well, unless he plans on tripling the price by declaring a 200 PERCENT FIREARM TAX.

Actually, that wouldn't be bad public policy. Newtown happened not because "guns are legal," but because a schizo kid had a goddamn arsenal right there in his house. And that happened because it's become a teatard fad for everyone and your mother to have a badass arsenal for recreational shooting and because society's about to collapse. One of those oodles of heavily armed people is bound to have a schizo kid.

To combat this, what you need to do is have a policy that lets people keep and bear arms, but somehow reduces the raw number of weapons and "enthusiasts" stockpiling assault rifles on every block. A massive tax would probably serve that purpose.


Is the President empowered to impose new taxes by fiat? How would such a tax survive Constitutional challenge?
 
2013-01-09 05:14:48 PM  

duffblue: I can't wait to be lectured about my gun rights by an administration responsible for giving guns to Mexican drug cartels.


I hate to be that guy but , THIS. What a farking joke.
 
2013-01-09 05:14:52 PM  

Dimensio: The_Sponge: Theburner: Giltric: Theburner: Poor people buy AR's, rich people buy SCAR's.

Poor people buy Stags and DPMS....wealthy people buy Noveske and LaRue.

And crazies buy Bushmasters! ;)

Middle class people like me buy Colts.

I purchased a DPMS. What does that imply?


If it works, it works. DPMS is considered lower end but even companies like Del-Ton have come a long way in the past few years. If you're happy with it, consider you made a good decision, and spend the difference on ammo (if you can find it anymore)..
 
2013-01-09 05:14:57 PM  

J.Shelby: I swear he's getting paid by the gun manufacturers.


this
 
2013-01-09 05:15:05 PM  

Infernalist: Xcott: Vectron: He just made Smith and Wesson's first quarter, a bang on one.

Well, unless he plans on tripling the price by declaring a 200 PERCENT FIREARM TAX.

Actually, that wouldn't be bad public policy. Newtown happened not because "guns are legal," but because a schizo kid had a goddamn arsenal right there in his house. And that happened because it's become a teatard fad for everyone and your mother to have a badass arsenal for recreational shooting and because society's about to collapse. One of those oodles of heavily armed people is bound to have a schizo kid.

To combat this, what you need to do is have a policy that lets people keep and bear arms, but somehow reduces the raw number of weapons and "enthusiasts" stockpiling assault rifles on every block. A massive tax would probably serve that purpose.

$5000 per bullet should suffice.


Even were such a tax not demonstrably Unconstitutional, it would be easily circumvented through reloading.
 
2013-01-09 05:15:13 PM  

Dimensio: Mr.BobDobalita: super_grass: odinsposse: Oh, and there are about 80,000 alcohol related deaths per year. Cite

Yes but alcohol aren't deadly military-style killing machines designed to kill people harder than your average people-killing pistol.

Plus alcohol is my vice of choice, so hands off.

All rifles, including assault rifles killed ~400 people last year. I would guess Advil killed more.

I can't wrap my head around wanting to remove literally tens of millions of rifles to maybe sorta kinda have a possibility of a chance to reduce 400 murders, even though they probably would have been killed another way for pissing someone off enough to kill someone.

"Assault weapon bans" advocates are irrational, poorly informed and unreasonable. Facts are of absolutely no relevance to their position.


Well not to be all paranoid and conspiracy-ish... but that's what leads me to believe that there's more to this.... we're realistically talking about a VERY small percentage of the murders and people are touting it as if it's going to solve all the problems of the US.

If it was really about saving lives, wouldn't they focus on something that takes much more life than AR-15s?

Also, I keep harping on this. Some of the most conservative estimates of defensive gun uses per year put the numbers at 60-80k. I've heard 100k from an anti-gun university prof. I"ve heard 3-400k from several studies and even 2.5 million (which I don't believe)

So we've got 100k-ish defensive gun uses (DGU) where lives were probably saved.... and we've got around 12k gun murders.... 100k lives saved to 12k lives lost.... ummmmm.... maybe I"m bad at math, but seems to me guns save more people than kill.
 
2013-01-09 05:15:59 PM  

eatin' fetus: Dimensio: The_Sponge: Theburner: Giltric: Theburner: Poor people buy AR's, rich people buy SCAR's.

Poor people buy Stags and DPMS....wealthy people buy Noveske and LaRue.

And crazies buy Bushmasters! ;)

Middle class people like me buy Colts.

I purchased a DPMS. What does that imply?

If it works, it works. DPMS is considered lower end but even companies like Del-Ton have come a long way in the past few years. If you're happy with it, consider you made a good decision, and spend the difference on ammo (if you can find it anymore)..


I have added a .22LR conversion device to my rifle.

Even .22LR ammunition is difficult to locate, recently.
 
2013-01-09 05:16:19 PM  

Giltric: super_grass: Giltric: super_grass: odinsposse: Oh, and there are about 80,000 alcohol related deaths per year. Cite

Yes but alcohol aren't deadly military-style killing machines designed to kill people harder than your average people-killing pistol.

Plus alcohol is my vice of choice, so hands off.

so your an alchoholic?

Like I am a gun nut?


Yes, but my particular vice's deaths are spread out and rarely occupies an entire news cycle and is more "socially acceptable". There's no particular cluster of killings that people can point to, therefore it's safe.

/s

100k dead via alchohol vs 10k for firearms?

Are you sure you didn;t soak some shrooms in your glass before drinking?


Notice the /s, dude, the /s.

Of course an assault rifle ban is backwards and counterproductive. I'm just pointing out how people overlook the fact that the more acceptable vices like alcohol is deadlier than firearms despite what their emotional rhetoric and reasoning might imply.
 
2013-01-09 05:16:33 PM  

Dimensio: Infernalist: Xcott: Vectron: He just made Smith and Wesson's first quarter, a bang on one.

Well, unless he plans on tripling the price by declaring a 200 PERCENT FIREARM TAX.

Actually, that wouldn't be bad public policy. Newtown happened not because "guns are legal," but because a schizo kid had a goddamn arsenal right there in his house. And that happened because it's become a teatard fad for everyone and your mother to have a badass arsenal for recreational shooting and because society's about to collapse. One of those oodles of heavily armed people is bound to have a schizo kid.

To combat this, what you need to do is have a policy that lets people keep and bear arms, but somehow reduces the raw number of weapons and "enthusiasts" stockpiling assault rifles on every block. A massive tax would probably serve that purpose.

$5000 per bullet should suffice.

Even were such a tax not demonstrably Unconstitutional, it would be easily circumvented through reloading.


Most of the farking retards who stock up on guns and ammo wouldn't know how to change the oil in their cars. And you think they'd be able to handle learning how to reload ammo with raw materials? lol
 
2013-01-09 05:16:46 PM  

Infernalist: Xcott: Vectron: He just made Smith and Wesson's first quarter, a bang on one.

Well, unless he plans on tripling the price by declaring a 200 PERCENT FIREARM TAX.

Actually, that wouldn't be bad public policy. Newtown happened not because "guns are legal," but because a schizo kid had a goddamn arsenal right there in his house. And that happened because it's become a teatard fad for everyone and your mother to have a badass arsenal for recreational shooting and because society's about to collapse. One of those oodles of heavily armed people is bound to have a schizo kid.

To combat this, what you need to do is have a policy that lets people keep and bear arms, but somehow reduces the raw number of weapons and "enthusiasts" stockpiling assault rifles on every block. A massive tax would probably serve that purpose.

$5000 per bullet should suffice.


You can make them yourself for about 25 cents.
 
2013-01-09 05:16:54 PM  
Good. Wait till they find out what is planned after we take away their guns.
 
2013-01-09 05:17:11 PM  
I think the plan is just to keep saying "We'll do something!" until the gun nuts boil over and lose their shiat.
 
2013-01-09 05:17:18 PM  

Mr.BobDobalita: So we've got 100k-ish defensive gun uses (DGU) where lives were probably saved.... and we've got around 12k gun murders.... 100k lives saved to 12k lives lost.... ummmmm.... maybe I"m bad at math, but seems to me guns save more people than kill.



How many DGUs would have been unnecessary if the other party didn't have a gun?
 
2013-01-09 05:17:30 PM  
Assault weapons /= all guns, but hey, don't let that stop the hyperbolic outrage.
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2013-01-09 05:17:38 PM  
Biden did not specify what kind of action the president might take. In the past the Obama administration has used executive orders, which have the force of law, to require gun dealers to report when customers buy multiple high-powered rifles and to increase penalties for violating gun laws. A new order, nearly certain to face legal challenges, could seek to tighten enforcement of laws governing private sales of guns or to beef up background checks.

/You know, this would be fine, if crazy nut jub wackholes would follow the law, and criminals in general. But sadly, they don't. A background check isn't going to do any good for a situation where a guy breaks in and steals the guns, or some guy's son takes them and goes on a rampage. There is no easy answer, except outlaw guns except for hunting. To be kept at the range locked up when not used. And its too late for that, you will never....ever..get everyone to just turn in all their guns. The only people who would, are law abiding folks, the criminals would keep theirs. Duh. The damage has been done already. There are too many guns out there now. No way to get them back unless he can manage a search warrant for every house in the usa.
 
2013-01-09 05:17:48 PM  

Holocaust Agnostic: Why is it absolutely imperative that something *must* be done? Violent crime is half what it was 40 years ago and the decline seems set to continue.


Correction... Violent crime is half what it was TWENTY years ago.
 
2013-01-09 05:17:56 PM  

Mr.BobDobalita: Dimensio: Mr.BobDobalita: super_grass: odinsposse: Oh, and there are about 80,000 alcohol related deaths per year. Cite

Yes but alcohol aren't deadly military-style killing machines designed to kill people harder than your average people-killing pistol.

Plus alcohol is my vice of choice, so hands off.

All rifles, including assault rifles killed ~400 people last year. I would guess Advil killed more.

I can't wrap my head around wanting to remove literally tens of millions of rifles to maybe sorta kinda have a possibility of a chance to reduce 400 murders, even though they probably would have been killed another way for pissing someone off enough to kill someone.

"Assault weapon bans" advocates are irrational, poorly informed and unreasonable. Facts are of absolutely no relevance to their position.

Well not to be all paranoid and conspiracy-ish... but that's what leads me to believe that there's more to this.... we're realistically talking about a VERY small percentage of the murders and people are touting it as if it's going to solve all the problems of the US.

If it was really about saving lives, wouldn't they focus on something that takes much more life than AR-15s?

Also, I keep harping on this. Some of the most conservative estimates of defensive gun uses per year put the numbers at 60-80k. I've heard 100k from an anti-gun university prof. I"ve heard 3-400k from several studies and even 2.5 million (which I don't believe)

So we've got 100k-ish defensive gun uses (DGU) where lives were probably saved.... and we've got around 12k gun murders.... 100k lives saved to 12k lives lost.... ummmmm.... maybe I"m bad at math, but seems to me guns save more people than kill.


I do not attribute to malice what is easily attributed to incompetence. I believe that most "assault weapons bans" advocates believe that such an imposition would reduce rates of violent crime. I merely recognize that such a belief is not rationally supported by data.
 
2013-01-09 05:18:01 PM  

super_grass: In b4 gun nuts complain that Obama is somehow conspiring against them.

NOBODY IS TRYING TO TAKE YOUR GUNZ AWAY


At the moment, no. But if you read and understand the mechanics of Feinstien's proposed bill - which the President is supporting fully - the government comes and takes them when I die. They cannot be sold to anyone, even another person licensed similarly under the proposed law, nor can they be inherited by my family.

So yes, it absolutely is confiscation. It's just slow, and quiet.

Entirely without incident.
 
2013-01-09 05:18:15 PM  

HeadLever: Infernalist: Xcott: Vectron: He just made Smith and Wesson's first quarter, a bang on one.

Well, unless he plans on tripling the price by declaring a 200 PERCENT FIREARM TAX.

Actually, that wouldn't be bad public policy. Newtown happened not because "guns are legal," but because a schizo kid had a goddamn arsenal right there in his house. And that happened because it's become a teatard fad for everyone and your mother to have a badass arsenal for recreational shooting and because society's about to collapse. One of those oodles of heavily armed people is bound to have a schizo kid.

To combat this, what you need to do is have a policy that lets people keep and bear arms, but somehow reduces the raw number of weapons and "enthusiasts" stockpiling assault rifles on every block. A massive tax would probably serve that purpose.

$5000 per bullet should suffice.

You can make them yourself for about 25 cents.


Again, most of the drool-cup champs that cling to their guns are lucky not to get lost in their local Super Walmart and you think they'd be able to learn how to reload ammo that doesn't explode upon firing.
 
2013-01-09 05:18:27 PM  
I really thought it would be a while before we had a president do more damage to civil rights than George Bush.
 
2013-01-09 05:18:48 PM  

Infernalist: Xcott: Vectron: He just made Smith and Wesson's first quarter, a bang on one.

Well, unless he plans on tripling the price by declaring a 200 PERCENT FIREARM TAX.

Actually, that wouldn't be bad public policy. Newtown happened not because "guns are legal," but because a schizo kid had a goddamn arsenal right there in his house. And that happened because it's become a teatard fad for everyone and your mother to have a badass arsenal for recreational shooting and because society's about to collapse. One of those oodles of heavily armed people is bound to have a schizo kid.

To combat this, what you need to do is have a policy that lets people keep and bear arms, but somehow reduces the raw number of weapons and "enthusiasts" stockpiling assault rifles on every block. A massive tax would probably serve that purpose.

$5000 per bullet should suffice.


How to you intend to reduce gun violence when every single firearm already purchased is grandfathered in?
 
2013-01-09 05:18:52 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: AbbeySomeone: I can understand rifles and pistols but why do people need the big weaponry ie, assault rifles, etc?

To shoot American soldiers and police officers.

Of course, they don't say that until later in the conversation but they get around to it eventually.


NHA: proud to get in the "showers", as long as they are American "showers".
 
2013-01-09 05:18:55 PM  

Theburner: Poor people buy AR's, rich people buy SCAR's.


I'm neither, although I do have popcorn in the pantry - just double checked.

/will give it up when you pry my cold, dead hands from it

//unless you say "Please," first - then I'll share
 
2013-01-09 05:19:12 PM  
"This year will go down in history! For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!"

You know who also liked gun control...
 
2013-01-09 05:19:14 PM  

Empty Matchbook: Assault weapons /= all guns, but hey, don't let that stop the hyperbolic outrage.
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"Assault weapon" is an entirely arbitrary classification based upon what a politician wishes to prohibit at a given time. The "assault weapons ban" currently proposed by Senator Dianne Feinstein defines a substantially larger range of firearms as "assault weapons" than did the now-expired federal "assault weapons ban".
 
2013-01-09 05:19:30 PM  

Infernalist: Most of the farking retards who stock up on guns and ammo wouldn't know how to change the oil in their cars.


Sure they would. Not hard. Right now reloading supplies are just as hard to find right now as ammo. Besides, many would get rich in the newly created black market.
 
2013-01-09 05:19:41 PM  

keepitcherry: duffblue: I can't wait to be lectured about my gun rights by an administration responsible for giving guns to Mexican drug cartels.

I hate to be that guy but , THIS. What a farking joke.



blessthe40oz.com

Barack "You can get my drones when you pry them out of my cold, dead fingers"  Obama
 
2013-01-09 05:20:11 PM  

duffblue: Infernalist: Xcott: Vectron: He just made Smith and Wesson's first quarter, a bang on one.

Well, unless he plans on tripling the price by declaring a 200 PERCENT FIREARM TAX.

Actually, that wouldn't be bad public policy. Newtown happened not because "guns are legal," but because a schizo kid had a goddamn arsenal right there in his house. And that happened because it's become a teatard fad for everyone and your mother to have a badass arsenal for recreational shooting and because society's about to collapse. One of those oodles of heavily armed people is bound to have a schizo kid.

To combat this, what you need to do is have a policy that lets people keep and bear arms, but somehow reduces the raw number of weapons and "enthusiasts" stockpiling assault rifles on every block. A massive tax would probably serve that purpose.

$5000 per bullet should suffice.

How to you intend to reduce gun violence when every single firearm already purchased is grandfathered in?


If I had my way, I'd have the gun factories shut down. Without a steady flood of new guns into the system, the problem will solve itself in about 50 years.

Be glad a real liberal isn't in the President's seat.
 
2013-01-09 05:20:22 PM  
One of these is enough in a day. I think I'll pass.
 
2013-01-09 05:20:23 PM  

Infernalist: HeadLever: Infernalist: Xcott: Vectron: He just made Smith and Wesson's first quarter, a bang on one.

Well, unless he plans on tripling the price by declaring a 200 PERCENT FIREARM TAX.

Actually, that wouldn't be bad public policy. Newtown happened not because "guns are legal," but because a schizo kid had a goddamn arsenal right there in his house. And that happened because it's become a teatard fad for everyone and your mother to have a badass arsenal for recreational shooting and because society's about to collapse. One of those oodles of heavily armed people is bound to have a schizo kid.

To combat this, what you need to do is have a policy that lets people keep and bear arms, but somehow reduces the raw number of weapons and "enthusiasts" stockpiling assault rifles on every block. A massive tax would probably serve that purpose.

$5000 per bullet should suffice.

You can make them yourself for about 25 cents.

Again, most of the drool-cup champs that cling to their guns are lucky not to get lost in their local Super Walmart and you think they'd be able to learn how to reload ammo that doesn't explode upon firing.


I am certain that you will be able to justify your assertion through reference to actual data. Please do so.
 
2013-01-09 05:20:53 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: Mr.BobDobalita: So we've got 100k-ish defensive gun uses (DGU) where lives were probably saved.... and we've got around 12k gun murders.... 100k lives saved to 12k lives lost.... ummmmm.... maybe I"m bad at math, but seems to me guns save more people than kill.


How many DGUs would have been unnecessary if the other party didn't have a gun?



Can you Harry Potter away all the guns then? No? Till then, I'd rather be my family's bodyguard until the cops can show up.
 
2013-01-09 05:21:03 PM  
Get ready for over 2/3 gop house and senate after '14 cycle and a gop potus in'16
 
2013-01-09 05:21:09 PM  

Xaneidolon: Think about the principle of this.

What if he were to issue an executive order eroding some part of the first amendment? Or any of a number of others that you might favor. How would you react?

In my mind, it's the same thing.

Let's be more straightforward. If the 2nd amendment needs to go, amend the constitution. If we need to go to war, let's have Congress make a declaration thereof. Ad naseum.

Recall how most of us felt with the legal, extra-legal, and even ethical gymnastics that occurred to "legalize" torture?

It's just all the same to me.



How the fark did they let you in this thread??? Stop making sense!

/newsletter, please
 
2013-01-09 05:21:11 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: J.Shelby: I swear he's getting paid by the gun manufacturers.

this


That does honestly make more logical sense than any other theory expressed lately. I wish I owned stock in a few gun companies.
 
2013-01-09 05:21:23 PM  

Infernalist: Again, most of the drool-cup champs that cling to their guns are lucky not to get lost in their local Super Walmart and you think they'd be able to learn how to reload ammo that doesn't explode upon firing.


Yes. It is not hard. Those that don't would just buy it on the black market from those of us that would.
 
2013-01-09 05:21:25 PM  
This is like a joke website right?
 
2013-01-09 05:22:01 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: Mr.BobDobalita: So we've got 100k-ish defensive gun uses (DGU) where lives were probably saved.... and we've got around 12k gun murders.... 100k lives saved to 12k lives lost.... ummmmm.... maybe I"m bad at math, but seems to me guns save more people than kill.


How many DGUs would have been unnecessary if the other party didn't have a gun?


Also consider Great Britain.... if you're getting your head stomped in by more than 1 guy (sometimes just one big one) you may need to even the odds.... or if you have small children like I do...

GB violent crime is 3-4 times that of the US....
 
2013-01-09 05:22:01 PM  
I doubt that this will happen but if it does I swear to walk up to every person that told me that Obama was a constitutional scholar and can be trusted to uphold the constitution and just slap them silly.
 
2013-01-09 05:22:13 PM  

ronaprhys: Emposter: "We are not going to get caught up in the notion that unless we can do everything we're going to do nothing," Biden said. "It's critically important that we act."

Oh, I'm sure you guys will do something...whether it's a horrible abortion of a bill, twisted into worthlessness as a result of misguided desire to compromise and not piss off the nutwing right, is the actual question.

Or, you know, not shiat on the Constitution. There is that, you know.


I'm not sure how that's relevant to the worthlessness of whatever eventual action is taken. Plenty of worthless proposals are Constitutional, and vis versa.
 
2013-01-09 05:22:45 PM  

Oldiron_79: Get ready for over 2/3 gop house and senate after '14 cycle and a gop potus in'16


I am curious as to how many individuals who ridiculed expressed concerns of firearm confiscation during the election are now advocating firearm confiscation.
 
2013-01-09 05:22:50 PM  

eatin' fetus: The_Sponge: CSB:

I was checking out gunsamerica.com last night, and two guys were selling the same model of Colt AR that I have....one was priced at $2,500....and the other one was $4,000!!!!

LE 6920? Same one here. A really nice rifle.


*High Five*

It's the Magpul edition, "dark earth" color scheme.

/Kind of amusing how a tan color is referred to as dark.
 
2013-01-09 05:22:52 PM  

tnpir: Jaws_Victim: Good. And when crazy pants people like that yelling dude on cnn decide to retaliate, we can put them away forever and make the world a better place.

So were you also waiting and hoping Piers Morgan would rear back and coldcock that motherfarker upside the head?


I would've liked him to call the man unhinged and ended with "Is this the kind of man you really want to own assault weapons?" but I draw the line at physical violence. I felt he held his own against a yelling maniac pretty well.

Skyd1v: Jaws_Victim: Good. And when crazy pants people like that yelling dude on cnn decide to retaliate, we can put them away forever and make the world a better place.

Somehow, I didn't expect our resident TSA flunkie to say anything different.

/nice jack boots


Glad I didn't disappoint, however my opinion has no bearing on my line of work which I do to earn a living.
 
2013-01-09 05:23:01 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: Mr.BobDobalita: So we've got 100k-ish defensive gun uses (DGU) where lives were probably saved.... and we've got around 12k gun murders.... 100k lives saved to 12k lives lost.... ummmmm.... maybe I"m bad at math, but seems to me guns save more people than kill.


How many DGUs would have been unnecessary if the other party didn't have a gun?



Did the guy in Atlanta who was shot by the woman hiding with her 2 kids in the closet have a gun?

I mean maybe he just wanted to scare her or play mousetrap with her kids....
 
2013-01-09 05:23:04 PM  

HeadLever: Infernalist: Most of the farking retards who stock up on guns and ammo wouldn't know how to change the oil in their cars.

Sure they would. Not hard. Right now reloading supplies are just as hard to find right now as ammo. Besides, many would get rich in the newly created black market.


I personally think it's a miracle worth mentioning that most of them don't choke to death on their own tongues, so perhaps you have a higher degree of optimism regarding their ability to adapt and change.

I think that when it finally happens, 99.999% of the 'from my cold dead hands!' crowd will squeal like a bunch of piglets, hire a bunch of lawyers and when that fails them, they'll wail and scream and gnash their teeth and hide their guns...

And do exactly jack shiat other than whimper and cry to each other on internet message boards.
 
2013-01-09 05:23:09 PM  
"I'm not gonna to take away your shotguns. I'm not gonna take away your rifles. I'm not gonna take away your handguns"

Remember that guy?
 
2013-01-09 05:23:19 PM  

Vectron: He just made Smith and Wesson's first quarter, a bang on one.


It was made the second 20 children died even if Obama sat on his ass. You're just using Obama as a fig leaf to cover up the fact that the shootings themselves cause gun sales to spike. Someone shooting a bunch of innocents is treated as nothing less than a shiny new Black Friday sale at every gun store in America, with a special on the gun that got used. That, in and of itself, is disgusting and abhorrent to watch, and statements like yours only fuel the fire to enact restrictions.
 
2013-01-09 05:23:29 PM  

ronaprhys: AbbeySomeone: I can understand rifles and pistols but why do people need the big weaponry ie, assault rifles, etc?

You do realize that we're not talking about actual assault rifles, don't you? Those are already heavily regulated. We're talking about semi-automatic rifles that are actually less powerful than many traditional hunting rifles (but are also semi-automatic, lever, or bolt action, depending on the specific rifle). They just look different.


Right. This isn't about "the big weaponry". The Feinstein bill would do nothing about machine guns, rocket launchers, grenades, cannons, etc. Those things are already illegal as hell unless you go through some very rigorous paperwork signed off by the local police chief and the ATF.

What it would do, is make most of the guns in the country overnight into "dangerous military weapons" in the eyes of the law and permit the government to seize them. Basically anything with a detachable magazine, even if the normal magazine is a five-round box, could be construed as an "assault" weapon, because it maybe might just be able to have a large magazine attached instead.

Personally, I'm all for increased and expanded background checks, better tracking of large sales, some additional restrictions of online sales, and I would actually support making detachable magazines over 15 rounds into NFA items (meaning you have to pay a special tax and register them with the government, the same as silencers). I also think it should be required that every firearm sold comes with a tamper-resistant trigger lock provided by the manufacturer (either built into the gun, or removable, as long as it meets a minimum standard).

But this bill that's being proposed? No, it's bullshiat, and it won't save any lives.
 
2013-01-09 05:23:32 PM  

Xcott: Actually, that wouldn't be bad public policy. Newtown happened not because "guns are legal," but because a schizo kid had a goddamn arsenal right there in his house. And that happened because it's become a teatard fad for everyone and your mother to have a badass arsenal for recreational shooting and because society's about to collapse. One of those oodles of heavily armed people is bound to have a schizo kid.


She was fairly wealthy and a bit nuts herself, you aren't going to price her out without pricing out every Appalachian deer hunter too, and in any event there's already 300 million privately owned guns out there.

Unfortunately I think that Norwegian nutbar shows that even with strong gun control you can't prevent someone who's truly pathologically nuts from killing a bunch of people by some means or another.

IMO the best bet is to (1) stop making these guys the #1 story in America for weeks. Focus on the victims, not the criminals with a walkthrough of how they did it, to cut down on copycats. (2) Have a better means of tracing guns so you can penalize people who provide guns to criminals and (3) reform the prison system so we stop making so many career criminals with no other prospects out of marginally farked up 18 year olds.
 
2013-01-09 05:23:34 PM  

Dimensio: Oldiron_79: Get ready for over 2/3 gop house and senate after '14 cycle and a gop potus in'16

I am curious as to how many individuals who ridiculed expressed concerns of firearm confiscation during the election are now advocating firearm confiscation.


Everybody.
 
2013-01-09 05:24:26 PM  

RickN99: Damn it! I've been trying to buy an AR-15 for 3 months as my Christmas present to myself. Between the empty shelves and the jacked-up prices, I have been waiting for things to settle down.

This is not helping!


I am in the happy position of having all the guns I need (as opposed to want). A Springfield XD/XDM in .45, a Stoeger coachgun in 12 and 410, and a Walther .22 are on want list

Reloading supplies are my concern.
 
2013-01-09 05:25:01 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: Dimensio: Oldiron_79: Get ready for over 2/3 gop house and senate after '14 cycle and a gop potus in'16

I am curious as to how many individuals who ridiculed expressed concerns of firearm confiscation during the election are now advocating firearm confiscation.

Everybody.


I know, isnt it hilarious?
 
2013-01-09 05:25:04 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: Dimensio: Oldiron_79: Get ready for over 2/3 gop house and senate after '14 cycle and a gop potus in'16

I am curious as to how many individuals who ridiculed expressed concerns of firearm confiscation during the election are now advocating firearm confiscation.

Everybody.


Are you still dishonestly attempting to claim that all AR-15 owners are racists?
 
2013-01-09 05:25:19 PM  
All things that I don't completely agree with are scary, and I wish to deprive 315 million other people of their 2nd amendment rights as a result of my own fear, ignorance and cowardice
 
2013-01-09 05:25:28 PM  

HeadLever: Infernalist: Most of the farking retards who stock up on guns and ammo wouldn't know how to change the oil in their cars.

Sure they would. Not hard. Right now reloading supplies are just as hard to find right now as ammo. Besides, many would get rich in the newly created black market.


Infernalist is more or less trollish. Doesn't like facts. What's amusing is that he'll assume that the only people who would be stocking up on firearms would be idiot rednecks. The same rednecks who happily install lifts on their trucks, dick around with the exhaust systems, tuning, etc. The same rednecks who've been doing this for decades. Then, because it fits his argument, he'll go with this sort of nonsense. It's amusing, actually.
 
2013-01-09 05:25:36 PM  

Infernalist: HeadLever: Infernalist: Most of the farking retards who stock up on guns and ammo wouldn't know how to change the oil in their cars.

Sure they would. Not hard. Right now reloading supplies are just as hard to find right now as ammo. Besides, many would get rich in the newly created black market.

I personally think it's a miracle worth mentioning that most of them don't choke to death on their own tongues, so perhaps you have a higher degree of optimism regarding their ability to adapt and change.

I think that when it finally happens, 99.999% of the 'from my cold dead hands!' crowd will squeal like a bunch of piglets, hire a bunch of lawyers and when that fails them, they'll wail and scream and gnash their teeth and hide their guns...

And do exactly jack shiat other than whimper and cry to each other on internet message boards.


You sound fat.
 
2013-01-09 05:25:47 PM  

Infernalist: duffblue: Infernalist: Xcott: Vectron: He just made Smith and Wesson's first quarter, a bang on one.

Well, unless he plans on tripling the price by declaring a 200 PERCENT FIREARM TAX.

Actually, that wouldn't be bad public policy. Newtown happened not because "guns are legal," but because a schizo kid had a goddamn arsenal right there in his house. And that happened because it's become a teatard fad for everyone and your mother to have a badass arsenal for recreational shooting and because society's about to collapse. One of those oodles of heavily armed people is bound to have a schizo kid.

To combat this, what you need to do is have a policy that lets people keep and bear arms, but somehow reduces the raw number of weapons and "enthusiasts" stockpiling assault rifles on every block. A massive tax would probably serve that purpose.

$5000 per bullet should suffice.

How to you intend to reduce gun violence when every single firearm already purchased is grandfathered in?

If I had my way, I'd have the gun factories shut down. Without a steady flood of new guns into the system, the problem will solve itself in about 50 years.

Be glad a real liberal isn't in the President's seat.


Dude....you suck.
 
2013-01-09 05:25:48 PM  
/Kind of amusing how a tan color is referred to as dark.

The Army calls the base tan color of their ACU pattern "Flat Dark Earth."

They couldn't just call it tan because there are about 300 shades of tan out there, and gear manufacturers needed a specific name to coordinate their production of everything from nylon webbing to flashlights.

More amusing? The Marine's base tan color is called "Coyote Brown." Why? Because the colorist who selected that shade picked it out of the Ralph Lauren catalog and kept the name.
 
2013-01-09 05:25:59 PM  

Giltric: Insatiable Jesus: Mr.BobDobalita: So we've got 100k-ish defensive gun uses (DGU) where lives were probably saved.... and we've got around 12k gun murders.... 100k lives saved to 12k lives lost.... ummmmm.... maybe I"m bad at math, but seems to me guns save more people than kill.


How many DGUs would have been unnecessary if the other party didn't have a gun?


Did the guy in Atlanta who was shot by the woman hiding with her 2 kids in the closet have a gun?

I mean maybe he just wanted to scare her or play mousetrap with her kids....



That guy has a strong face!!! lol....
 
2013-01-09 05:26:25 PM  

Theburner: President Morsi of Egypt pushed his own agenda through, why shouldn't Obama. It isn't like Obama is an elected official in the country that is supposed to be the poster child for democracy.



Unconstrained by the rule of law and ruling by imperial decree.
 
2013-01-09 05:26:33 PM  

Infernalist: I personally think it's a miracle worth mentioning that most of them don't choke to death on their own tongues, so perhaps you have a higher degree of optimism regarding their ability to adapt and change.


Of course you would, kid.
 
2013-01-09 05:27:00 PM  

Giltric: Insatiable Jesus: Mr.BobDobalita: So we've got 100k-ish defensive gun uses (DGU) where lives were probably saved.... and we've got around 12k gun murders.... 100k lives saved to 12k lives lost.... ummmmm.... maybe I"m bad at math, but seems to me guns save more people than kill.


How many DGUs would have been unnecessary if the other party didn't have a gun?


Did the guy in Atlanta who was shot by the woman hiding with her 2 kids in the closet have a gun?

I mean maybe he just wanted to scare her or play mousetrap with her kids....


He had a crowbar.

And likely would have moved on had she answered the door or made her presence known.
 
2013-01-09 05:27:04 PM  

orclover: Insatiable Jesus: Dimensio: Oldiron_79: Get ready for over 2/3 gop house and senate after '14 cycle and a gop potus in'16

I am curious as to how many individuals who ridiculed expressed concerns of firearm confiscation during the election are now advocating firearm confiscation.

Everybody.

I know, isnt it hilarious?


Little kids getting shot is really hilarious.
 
2013-01-09 05:27:09 PM  
95% of Obamites don't care what he does, they worship him.

But that 5% who own guns will get pissed. Believe it or not, many Democrats come from good old boy places and they will lose their seats if they follow Obama on this.

In Burlington, VT of all places there was tons of outrage over the proposed gun ban in the city. The most liberal place on Earth, and people were upset.
 
2013-01-09 05:27:15 PM  

Mr.BobDobalita: So we've got 100k-ish defensive gun uses (DGU) where lives were probably saved.... and we've got around 12k gun murders.... 100k lives saved to 12k lives lost.... ummmmm.... maybe I"m bad at math, but seems to me guns save more people than kill.


By saying you think that 100,000 lives are saved by guns you're saying that for every homicide that actually happened 6 were prevented by guns. That defensive gun usage causes a 85% drop in the murder rate. That's patently absurd.
 
2013-01-09 05:27:25 PM  

fonebone77: Infernalist: HeadLever: Infernalist: Most of the farking retards who stock up on guns and ammo wouldn't know how to change the oil in their cars.

Sure they would. Not hard. Right now reloading supplies are just as hard to find right now as ammo. Besides, many would get rich in the newly created black market.

I personally think it's a miracle worth mentioning that most of them don't choke to death on their own tongues, so perhaps you have a higher degree of optimism regarding their ability to adapt and change.

I think that when it finally happens, 99.999% of the 'from my cold dead hands!' crowd will squeal like a bunch of piglets, hire a bunch of lawyers and when that fails them, they'll wail and scream and gnash their teeth and hide their guns...

And do exactly jack shiat other than whimper and cry to each other on internet message boards.

You sound fat.


You sound angry.
 
2013-01-09 05:27:38 PM  
' We have to pass they bill so we can see what's in it' - Nancy Pelosi, Professor Emeritus School of Socialist Dumbf*cks
 
2013-01-09 05:28:12 PM  

hasty ambush: RickN99: Damn it! I've been trying to buy an AR-15 for 3 months as my Christmas present to myself. Between the empty shelves and the jacked-up prices, I have been waiting for things to settle down.

This is not helping!

I am in the happy position of having all the guns I need (as opposed to want). A Springfield XD/XDM in .45, a Stoeger coachgun in 12 and 410, and a Walther .22 are on want list

Reloading supplies are my concern.


This^^^^^
 
2013-01-09 05:28:17 PM  

HeadLever: Infernalist: I personally think it's a miracle worth mentioning that most of them don't choke to death on their own tongues, so perhaps you have a higher degree of optimism regarding their ability to adapt and change.

Of course you would, kid.


I probably got socks older than you, son.
 
2013-01-09 05:28:40 PM  

Infernalist: fonebone77: Infernalist: HeadLever: Infernalist: Most of the farking retards who stock up on guns and ammo wouldn't know how to change the oil in their cars.

Sure they would. Not hard. Right now reloading supplies are just as hard to find right now as ammo. Besides, many would get rich in the newly created black market.

I personally think it's a miracle worth mentioning that most of them don't choke to death on their own tongues, so perhaps you have a higher degree of optimism regarding their ability to adapt and change.

I think that when it finally happens, 99.999% of the 'from my cold dead hands!' crowd will squeal like a bunch of piglets, hire a bunch of lawyers and when that fails them, they'll wail and scream and gnash their teeth and hide their guns...

And do exactly jack shiat other than whimper and cry to each other on internet message boards.

You sound fat.

You sound angry.


Nah, just using about the same level of logic you are.
 
2013-01-09 05:28:49 PM  

Gosling: Vectron: He just made Smith and Wesson's first quarter, a bang on one.

It was made the second 20 children died even if Obama sat on his ass. You're just using Obama as a fig leaf to cover up the fact that the shootings themselves cause gun sales to spike. Someone shooting a bunch of innocents is treated as nothing less than a shiny new Black Friday sale at every gun store in America, with a special on the gun that got used. That, in and of itself, is disgusting and abhorrent to watch, and statements like yours only fuel the fire to enact restrictions.



That also came about as Chicago announced its 500th homicide of the year.
I have never owned a gun but if I lived in Chicago I somehow, some way acquire one.
 
2013-01-09 05:28:53 PM  

dr-shotgun: /Kind of amusing how a tan color is referred to as dark.

The Army calls the base tan color of their ACU pattern "Flat Dark Earth."

They couldn't just call it tan because there are about 300 shades of tan out there, and gear manufacturers needed a specific name to coordinate their production of everything from nylon webbing to flashlights.

More amusing? The Marine's base tan color is called "Coyote Brown." Why? Because the colorist who selected that shade picked it out of the Ralph Lauren catalog and kept the name.


Now I know.....and knowing is half the battle.

/Kidding aside, thanks for the info update.
 
2013-01-09 05:28:59 PM  
I'll consider more restrictions on my guns once they kill as many children as Obama's drone attacks.

/voted for him in 2008, gave money to his campaign
//never again, 3rd party for me here on out
 
2013-01-09 05:29:15 PM  

fonebone77: Infernalist: fonebone77: Infernalist: HeadLever: Infernalist: Most of the farking retards who stock up on guns and ammo wouldn't know how to change the oil in their cars.

Sure they would. Not hard. Right now reloading supplies are just as hard to find right now as ammo. Besides, many would get rich in the newly created black market.

I personally think it's a miracle worth mentioning that most of them don't choke to death on their own tongues, so perhaps you have a higher degree of optimism regarding their ability to adapt and change.

I think that when it finally happens, 99.999% of the 'from my cold dead hands!' crowd will squeal like a bunch of piglets, hire a bunch of lawyers and when that fails them, they'll wail and scream and gnash their teeth and hide their guns...

And do exactly jack shiat other than whimper and cry to each other on internet message boards.

You sound fat.

You sound angry.

Nah, just using about the same level of logic you are.


So angry.
 
2013-01-09 05:29:23 PM  

you have pee hands: Mr.BobDobalita: So we've got 100k-ish defensive gun uses (DGU) where lives were probably saved.... and we've got around 12k gun murders.... 100k lives saved to 12k lives lost.... ummmmm.... maybe I"m bad at math, but seems to me guns save more people than kill.

By saying you think that 100,000 lives are saved by guns you're saying that for every homicide that actually happened 6 were prevented by guns. That defensive gun usage causes a 85% drop in the murder rate. That's patently absurd.


Pretty factual that the assault weapons ban did absolutely nothing to lower crime as well. That doesn't bother libs. Chicago is the MDK capital of the country with very restrictive gun laws. Don't let that stop you.
 
2013-01-09 05:29:25 PM  

hbk72777: Deaths from guns are on pace to surpass traffic deaths in the United States by 2015, according to a Bloomberg News study. In 2011, the latest year for which detailed statistics are available, there were 12,664 murders in the US. Of those, 8,583 were caused by firearms, down 3% from a year earlier."

Hate guns but believe they should be legal.

Cars are safer than they've ever been.Back up cameras, shiat to keep you awake, etc.

What executive order is the dumbass going to pass to stop the other 4000 murders?


He's going to make it super dee duper specially double dog illegal to kill a rich person.
 
2013-01-09 05:29:35 PM  

Gosling: Vectron: He just made Smith and Wesson's first quarter, a bang on one.

It was made the second 20 children died even if Obama sat on his ass. You're just using Obama as a fig leaf to cover up the fact that the shootings themselves cause gun sales to spike. Someone shooting a bunch of innocents is treated as nothing less than a shiny new Black Friday sale at every gun store in America, with a special on the gun that got used. That, in and of itself, is disgusting and abhorrent to watch, and statements like yours only fuel the fire to enact restrictions.


Do you understand why?

It's a reaction not to the event, but to the historic pattern of threats and attempted actions by federal politicians every time such an event has happened.

If there was a major media and political blitz to ban the public sales of automobiles every time a senior citizen plowed through a farmer's market, or a drunk driver killed a bunch of children, all in the name of pushing people into public transit and out of private car ownership, I can guarantee you that automobile sales would eventually start spiking every time such an event occurred so people could get a car before they were cut off.

If it was sports cars or muscle cars in particular, I can ABSOLUTELY guarantee you that every Mustang, Camaro, Corvette, Audi R8, Viper, and every other sports car that looked "fast" would be flying off the lot as people who wanted one tried to buy one while before a possible ban.
 
2013-01-09 05:29:40 PM  

CynicalLA: orclover: Insatiable Jesus: Dimensio: Oldiron_79: Get ready for over 2/3 gop house and senate after '14 cycle and a gop potus in'16

I am curious as to how many individuals who ridiculed expressed concerns of firearm confiscation during the election are now advocating firearm confiscation.

Everybody.

I know, isnt it hilarious?

Little kids getting shot is really hilarious.


Won't somebody think of the children?
 
2013-01-09 05:29:50 PM  

tricycleracer: FlashHarry: ourbigdumbmouth: I'm cool with only rich people having guns

i keep hearing this talking point. can anyone elucidate?

A poor person can afford a $1000 AR-15, but $3000 is just out of their price range for good.


If they cant cut back on alcohol and smokes to get their AR then maybe it isn't the multitool gun nutters make it out to be.

/would quit smoking if it meant getting a weapon to keep the government in line and my family safe
//doesn't think that weapon exists.
 
2013-01-09 05:29:51 PM  

super_grass: In b4 gun nuts complain that Obama is somehow conspiring against them.

NOBODY IS TRYING TO TAKE YOUR GUNZ AWAY


Just like he said he won't use the indefinite detention power he singed into law.
 
2013-01-09 05:30:27 PM  

duffblue: All things that I don't completely agree with are scary, and I wish to deprive 315 million other people of their 2nd amendment rights as a result of my own fear, ignorance and cowardice


YEp. This is what it boils down to. As I've said, all rifle murders in 2011 amounted to 400. "Assault rifles" were a subset of that already small number. What we're talking about with the anti-"assault" rifle people here is LITERALLY trampling the rights of tens of millions of people over 400 deaths.

The absurdity boggles the mind.
 
2013-01-09 05:30:29 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Giltric: Insatiable Jesus: Mr.BobDobalita: So we've got 100k-ish defensive gun uses (DGU) where lives were probably saved.... and we've got around 12k gun murders.... 100k lives saved to 12k lives lost.... ummmmm.... maybe I"m bad at math, but seems to me guns save more people than kill.


How many DGUs would have been unnecessary if the other party didn't have a gun?


Did the guy in Atlanta who was shot by the woman hiding with her 2 kids in the closet have a gun?

I mean maybe he just wanted to scare her or play mousetrap with her kids....

He had a crowbar.

And likely would have moved on had she answered the door or made her presence known.


Well he won't be doing much of this again for the foreseeable future now, will he?
 
2013-01-09 05:30:49 PM  
Go ahead. Deliver a majority in the senate to the Republicans with gun control the same way you lost your super majority in the senate and your majority in the house with ObamaCare.
 
2013-01-09 05:31:13 PM  

RickN99: Damn it! I've been trying to buy an AR-15 for 3 months as my Christmas present to myself. Between the empty shelves and the jacked-up prices, I have been waiting for things to settle down.

This is not helping!


Bass Pro Shop has the fancy binoculars behind the same counter as the guns. There was a 2 hour wait to even talk to a clerk when I was in there a couple of weeks ago.
 
2013-01-09 05:31:33 PM  

Infernalist: duffblue: Infernalist: Xcott: Vectron: He just made Smith and Wesson's first quarter, a bang on one.

Well, unless he plans on tripling the price by declaring a 200 PERCENT FIREARM TAX.

Actually, that wouldn't be bad public policy. Newtown happened not because "guns are legal," but because a schizo kid had a goddamn arsenal right there in his house. And that happened because it's become a teatard fad for everyone and your mother to have a badass arsenal for recreational shooting and because society's about to collapse. One of those oodles of heavily armed people is bound to have a schizo kid.

To combat this, what you need to do is have a policy that lets people keep and bear arms, but somehow reduces the raw number of weapons and "enthusiasts" stockpiling assault rifles on every block. A massive tax would probably serve that purpose.

$5000 per bullet should suffice.

How to you intend to reduce gun violence when every single firearm already purchased is grandfathered in?

If I had my way, I'd have the gun factories shut down. Without a steady flood of new guns into the system, the problem will solve itself in about 50 years.

Be glad a real liberal isn't in the President's seat.


Considering I was out shooting my damn near 150 year old mosin nagant yesterday, that is pretty funny.
 
2013-01-09 05:31:46 PM  

Dimensio: Insatiable Jesus: Dimensio: Oldiron_79: Get ready for over 2/3 gop house and senate after '14 cycle and a gop potus in'16

I am curious as to how many individuals who ridiculed expressed concerns of firearm confiscation during the election are now advocating firearm confiscation.

Everybody.

Are you still dishonestly attempting to claim that all AR-15 owners are racists?


Sure, Sparky.
 
2013-01-09 05:32:10 PM  

randomjsa: Go ahead. Deliver a majority in the senate to the Republicans with gun control the same way you lost your super majority in the senate and your majority in the house with ObamaCare.


You gun nuts paying attention? Randomjsa is on your side. lol
 
2013-01-09 05:32:27 PM  

Giltric: Theburner: Poor people buy AR's, rich people buy SCAR's.

Poor people buy Stags and DPMS....wealthy people buy Noveske and LaRue.


Love my Noveske, 10 1/2" upper. Just waiting on my stamp for an SBR to come back. Hope I get it before the shiat hits the fan.
 
2013-01-09 05:32:41 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: Dimensio: Insatiable Jesus: Dimensio: Oldiron_79: Get ready for over 2/3 gop house and senate after '14 cycle and a gop potus in'16

I am curious as to how many individuals who ridiculed expressed concerns of firearm confiscation during the election are now advocating firearm confiscation.

Everybody.

Are you still dishonestly attempting to claim that all AR-15 owners are racists?

Sure, Sparky.


Then you are an admitted liar, and no claim issued by you is credible.
 
2013-01-09 05:32:57 PM  

buffalosoldier: Infernalist: duffblue: Infernalist: Xcott: Vectron: He just made Smith and Wesson's first quarter, a bang on one.

Well, unless he plans on tripling the price by declaring a 200 PERCENT FIREARM TAX.

Actually, that wouldn't be bad public policy. Newtown happened not because "guns are legal," but because a schizo kid had a goddamn arsenal right there in his house. And that happened because it's become a teatard fad for everyone and your mother to have a badass arsenal for recreational shooting and because society's about to collapse. One of those oodles of heavily armed people is bound to have a schizo kid.

To combat this, what you need to do is have a policy that lets people keep and bear arms, but somehow reduces the raw number of weapons and "enthusiasts" stockpiling assault rifles on every block. A massive tax would probably serve that purpose.

$5000 per bullet should suffice.

How to you intend to reduce gun violence when every single firearm already purchased is grandfathered in?

If I had my way, I'd have the gun factories shut down. Without a steady flood of new guns into the system, the problem will solve itself in about 50 years.

Be glad a real liberal isn't in the President's seat.

Considering I was out shooting my damn near 150 year old mosin nagant yesterday, that is pretty funny.


Planning to do any school massacres with that single shot pos?
 
2013-01-09 05:33:03 PM  

mark12A: /if he does an executive order, the civil war will start


At least...in the handicap accessible portions of America.

Fark It: I'll consider more restrictions on my guns once they kill as many children as Obama's drone attacks.


ITT: bombs dropped by unmanned drones are somehow more scary and evil than manned aircraft therefore obama bad
 
2013-01-09 05:33:12 PM  
Well, Odouchebag has already used his magical Power Rangers Decree rights more than any president in history, so....

Just sayin.
 
2013-01-09 05:33:21 PM  

AbbeySomeone: I can understand rifles and pistols but why do people need the big weaponry ie, assault rifles, etc?


ROFLMAO!
 
2013-01-09 05:33:23 PM  

you have pee hands: Mr.BobDobalita: So we've got 100k-ish defensive gun uses (DGU) where lives were probably saved.... and we've got around 12k gun murders.... 100k lives saved to 12k lives lost.... ummmmm.... maybe I"m bad at math, but seems to me guns save more people than kill.

By saying you think that 100,000 lives are saved by guns you're saying that for every homicide that actually happened 6 were prevented by guns. That defensive gun usage causes a 85% drop in the murder rate. That's patently absurd.


These are not MY stats.


DGU
 
2013-01-09 05:33:28 PM  
I think this is just a way to get the economy moving. Scaring fat pasty white people into buying more guns and ammo. The paranoid losers fall for it every time.
 
2013-01-09 05:33:52 PM  
I like how owning one gun makes you a gun nut. Kinda like having one beer makes you an alcoholic, or one joint makes you a rapist.
 
2013-01-09 05:33:57 PM  
Interestingly, the Constitution says nothing about the right to manufacture, purchase, or sell arms.

Still, I favor repeal of the second amendment.
 
2013-01-09 05:34:03 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: There is no easy answer, except outlaw guns except for hunting. To be kept at the range locked up when not used.


Or we could really enforce the 2nd Amendment and require all gun owners to meet weekly/monthly at the nearest town square for a few hours of marching practice and basic infantry tactics. Ya know, sort of like a well-regulated militia.

/If that happens, I get dibs on the beer and pork rinds concession stand.
 
2013-01-09 05:34:14 PM  

ourbigdumbmouth: I'm cool with only rich white people having guns


Dis is Merika Dambit!
 
2013-01-09 05:34:22 PM  

Infernalist: buffalosoldier: Infernalist: duffblue: Infernalist: Xcott: Vectron: He just made Smith and Wesson's first quarter, a bang on one.

Well, unless he plans on tripling the price by declaring a 200 PERCENT FIREARM TAX.

Actually, that wouldn't be bad public policy. Newtown happened not because "guns are legal," but because a schizo kid had a goddamn arsenal right there in his house. And that happened because it's become a teatard fad for everyone and your mother to have a badass arsenal for recreational shooting and because society's about to collapse. One of those oodles of heavily armed people is bound to have a schizo kid.

To combat this, what you need to do is have a policy that lets people keep and bear arms, but somehow reduces the raw number of weapons and "enthusiasts" stockpiling assault rifles on every block. A massive tax would probably serve that purpose.

$5000 per bullet should suffice.

How to you intend to reduce gun violence when every single firearm already purchased is grandfathered in?

If I had my way, I'd have the gun factories shut down. Without a steady flood of new guns into the system, the problem will solve itself in about 50 years.

Be glad a real liberal isn't in the President's seat.

Considering I was out shooting my damn near 150 year old mosin nagant yesterday, that is pretty funny.

Planning to do any school massacres with that single shot pos?


You'd be surprised how fast that old rifle can run.

I've put 20 hits on 10 targets with three reloads in less than a 90 seconds. I have video of it as well, although I'm not entirely comfortable posting it here.
 
2013-01-09 05:34:28 PM  
Gawdammit Obama! First you make the Republicans vote to block some reasonable controls, THEN you use whatever executive power you can!!

He's just letting the GOP off the hook again.
 
2013-01-09 05:35:13 PM  

WordyGrrl: Bit'O'Gristle: There is no easy answer, except outlaw guns except for hunting. To be kept at the range locked up when not used.

Or we could really enforce the 2nd Amendment and require all gun owners to meet weekly/monthly at the nearest town square for a few hours of marching practice and basic infantry tactics. Ya know, sort of like a well-regulated militia.

/If that happens, I get dibs on the beer and pork rinds concession stand.


The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution establishes no such requirement. Your statement is based upon a false and dishonest premise.
 
2013-01-09 05:35:41 PM  

Giltric: I have a couple Colts they are good weapons. As accurate as my safe queens are but for half the price


So what are your safe queens?
 
2013-01-09 05:35:49 PM  

Infernalist: HeadLever: Infernalist: I personally think it's a miracle worth mentioning that most of them don't choke to death on their own tongues, so perhaps you have a higher degree of optimism regarding their ability to adapt and change.

Of course you would, kid.

I probably got socks older than you, son.


Ah, one of the 'never grew up' type then. Gotcha. May want to work on the ad hominem attacks some. They make you sound like you are petulant 10 year old
 
2013-01-09 05:35:59 PM  

duffblue: CynicalLA: orclover: Insatiable Jesus: Dimensio: Oldiron_79: Get ready for over 2/3 gop house and senate after '14 cycle and a gop potus in'16

I am curious as to how many individuals who ridiculed expressed concerns of firearm confiscation during the election are now advocating firearm confiscation.

Everybody.

I know, isnt it hilarious?

Little kids getting shot is really hilarious.

Won't somebody think of the children?


Biden is using the if it saves just one life a its worth it argument.

I wonder how any lives could be saved by getting rid of the pesky 4th Amendment thing.
 
2013-01-09 05:36:13 PM  

computerguyUT: Well, Odouchebag has already used his magical Power Rangers Decree rights more than any president in history, so....

Just sayin.


Yeah, no.

http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/disposition . html
 
2013-01-09 05:36:31 PM  

Infernalist: buffalosoldier: Infernalist: duffblue: Infernalist: Xcott: Vectron: He just made Smith and Wesson's first quarter, a bang on one.

Well, unless he plans on tripling the price by declaring a 200 PERCENT FIREARM TAX.

Actually, that wouldn't be bad public policy. Newtown happened not because "guns are legal," but because a schizo kid had a goddamn arsenal right there in his house. And that happened because it's become a teatard fad for everyone and your mother to have a badass arsenal for recreational shooting and because society's about to collapse. One of those oodles of heavily armed people is bound to have a schizo kid.

To combat this, what you need to do is have a policy that lets people keep and bear arms, but somehow reduces the raw number of weapons and "enthusiasts" stockpiling assault rifles on every block. A massive tax would probably serve that purpose.

$5000 per bullet should suffice.

How to you intend to reduce gun violence when every single firearm already purchased is grandfathered in?

If I had my way, I'd have the gun factories shut down. Without a steady flood of new guns into the system, the problem will solve itself in about 50 years.

Be glad a real liberal isn't in the President's seat.

Considering I was out shooting my damn near 150 year old mosin nagant yesterday, that is pretty funny.

Planning to do any school massacres with that single shot pos?


You mean the gun that shoots a round capable of turning cinder block into dust and penetrating 1/2" steel at 175 yards? .223 is a joke.
 
2013-01-09 05:37:08 PM  

Infernalist:

Planning to do any school massacres with that single shot pos?


holy sh*t you missed the point.
 
2013-01-09 05:37:32 PM  
It's been fun... I gotta leave work..... :P
 
2013-01-09 05:37:46 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Giltric: Insatiable Jesus: Mr.BobDobalita: So we've got 100k-ish defensive gun uses (DGU) where lives were probably saved.... and we've got around 12k gun murders.... 100k lives saved to 12k lives lost.... ummmmm.... maybe I"m bad at math, but seems to me guns save more people than kill.


How many DGUs would have been unnecessary if the other party didn't have a gun?


Did the guy in Atlanta who was shot by the woman hiding with her 2 kids in the closet have a gun?

I mean maybe he just wanted to scare her or play mousetrap with her kids....

He had a crowbar.

And likely would have moved on had she answered the door or made her presence known.



Oh puh-leeze.


An Oalkand woman used her cell phone to record video of a crook robbing her house moments before he raped her.
"I'm sorry, can you leave," she is heard saying.
"Yeah," he mumbles in response.

The she got some nice rapey-rape.
 
2013-01-09 05:37:53 PM  

HeadLever: In fact, the typical assault riflle cartridge (.223/5.56 Nato) is on the small side for rifle calibers.


from what i understand, though it's small, the nato 5.56mm is packed with a lot of powder, which allows for very high muzzle velocity. its small size also means that more ammunition can be carried into battle.
 
2013-01-09 05:38:01 PM  

CynicalLA: orclover: Insatiable Jesus: Dimensio: Oldiron_79: Get ready for over 2/3 gop house and senate after '14 cycle and a gop potus in'16

I am curious as to how many individuals who ridiculed expressed concerns of firearm confiscation during the election are now advocating firearm confiscation.

Everybody.

I know, isnt it hilarious?

Little kids getting shot is really hilarious.

t2.gstatic.com
You poor poor thing, you must feel so sad. Have a tissue. You know the best legislation that we have ever passed is passed when we as a nation are just letting our emotions run wild over a tragedy. Nothing bad ever happens when we do that. Never think through a law when we can FEEEEL through it right?

I am thoroughly enjoying this clusterfark, and yes I am a horrible person thanks for asking!
 
2013-01-09 05:38:04 PM  
As someone who owns firearms, I'm not so sure about their "gun control" policies (hear me out!) whereas I'd rather see a "gun-owner control" policy. Doing better background checks...mandating, say, a 14-day wait, could help. Again, though, notice that only the LEGAL gun owners would be touched by this.

The reason an "assault rifle" (definition?) ban wouldn't deter much of anything can be taken by my own city, Chicago, which had the highest murder rate of the nation - 506 deaths (more than the troops in Afghanistan) during 2012.

The most current data on annual gun-related deaths/homicide in Chicago is for 2011. 83.4% of 2011 murders were via gun.

Here's my point: of the types of guns used in these homicides, (of which there were 361), a total of 351 were via handgun. Of the 10 (11...rounding error) murders via gun left over, 5 were by shotgun, 1 by a rifle (which I would assume includes "assault rifles" as well) and 5 by an "unknown" gun.

So in one of the most violent cities (if not THE most) - Chicago - possibly as few as 1 (and at most, 6, but certainly not) murders are pinned to possibly an "assault rifle". The unknown gun incidents are probably those in which neither a casing or bullet could be found. Given the base-rates for handguns over any other gun type, you have to suppose most of those 5 murders were by handgun.

So if the goal is to reduce gun violence, controlling which people can have a gun is much more effective than any type of "gun ban".

P.S. NOT to mention unintended consequences - such as Obama's attacks on guns resulting in record numbers of people snapping up guns...handguns. The ones used in 99% of gun homicides. Bright.

The citation (URL) is: https://portal.chicagopolice.org/portal/page/portal/ClearPath/News/Sta tistical%20Reports/Murder%20Reports
 
2013-01-09 05:38:12 PM  

busy chillin': Infernalist:

Planning to do any school massacres with that single shot pos?

holy sh*t you missed the point.


He's just another poor troll like nina hartley's ass and the jesus guy.
 
2013-01-09 05:38:40 PM  

Dimensio: Insatiable Jesus: Dimensio: Insatiable Jesus: Dimensio: Oldiron_79: Get ready for over 2/3 gop house and senate after '14 cycle and a gop potus in'16

I am curious as to how many individuals who ridiculed expressed concerns of firearm confiscation during the election are now advocating firearm confiscation.

Everybody.

Are you still dishonestly attempting to claim that all AR-15 owners are racists?

Sure, Sparky.

Then you are an admitted liar, and no claim issued by you is credible.


Sure, Sparky.
 
2013-01-09 05:38:50 PM  

Vectron: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Giltric: Insatiable Jesus: Mr.BobDobalita: So we've got 100k-ish defensive gun uses (DGU) where lives were probably saved.... and we've got around 12k gun murders.... 100k lives saved to 12k lives lost.... ummmmm.... maybe I"m bad at math, but seems to me guns save more people than kill.


How many DGUs would have been unnecessary if the other party didn't have a gun?


Did the guy in Atlanta who was shot by the woman hiding with her 2 kids in the closet have a gun?

I mean maybe he just wanted to scare her or play mousetrap with her kids....

He had a crowbar.

And likely would have moved on had she answered the door or made her presence known.


Oh puh-leeze.


An Oalkand woman used her cell phone to record video of a crook robbing her house moments before he raped her.
"I'm sorry, can you leave," she is heard saying.
"Yeah," he mumbles in response.
The she got some nice rapey-rape.


Check the link I provided.
 
2013-01-09 05:38:51 PM  
Obama plans to strictly enforce the law as it stands with regard to gun sales, and the wingnuts go crazy.

Obama sets priorities with regard to who will be deported, and the wingnuts go crazy.

oi50.tinypic.com
 
2013-01-09 05:39:12 PM  

Thunderpipes: Pretty factual that the assault weapons ban did absolutely nothing to lower crime as well. That doesn't bother libs. Chicago is the MDK capital of the country with very restrictive gun laws. Don't let that stop you.


You've hit on two things, I think:
1) The assault rifle ban isn't worth the paper it's written on because no one's committing murder or defending themselves from 400 yards and from 15 feet you might as well use a pistol and
2) Your likelihood of being murdered goes down a whole lot if you're not part of a gang.

/New Orleans and Detroit are the murder capitals
 
2013-01-09 05:39:36 PM  

orclover: CynicalLA: orclover: Insatiable Jesus: Dimensio: Oldiron_79: Get ready for over 2/3 gop house and senate after '14 cycle and a gop potus in'16

I am curious as to how many individuals who ridiculed expressed concerns of firearm confiscation during the election are now advocating firearm confiscation.

Everybody.

I know, isnt it hilarious?

Little kids getting shot is really hilarious.
[t2.gstatic.com image 288x175]
You poor poor thing, you must feel so sad. Have a tissue. You know the best legislation that we have ever passed is passed when we as a nation are just letting our emotions run wild over a tragedy. Nothing bad ever happens when we do that. Never think through a law when we can FEEEEL through it right?

I am thoroughly enjoying this clusterfark, and yes I am a horrible person thanks for asking!


Not crying at all. Just pointing out the human waste.
 
2013-01-09 05:39:44 PM  

Gosling: Vectron: He just made Smith and Wesson's first quarter, a bang on one.

It was made the second 20 children died even if Obama sat on his ass. You're just using Obama as a fig leaf to cover up the fact that the shootings themselves cause gun sales to spike. Someone shooting a bunch of innocents is treated as nothing less than a shiny new Black Friday sale at every gun store in America, with a special on the gun that got used. That, in and of itself, is disgusting and abhorrent to watch, and statements like yours only fuel the fire to enact restrictions.


Or maybe gun sales go up because when incidents like that occur there is always another call to ban assault rifles?

How about we take a look at the violence part of the problem, and leave law abiding citizens alone for a change?
 
2013-01-09 05:39:52 PM  
I'm not too worried about Obama making a rule infringing on the right to bear arms nationwide. He'll be in wrong three different ways, making it an easy court challenge.
 
2013-01-09 05:40:06 PM  

sprawl15: mark12A: /if he does an executive order, the civil war will start

At least...in the handicap accessible portions of America.

Fark It: I'll consider more restrictions on my guns once they kill as many children as Obama's drone attacks.

ITT: bombs dropped by unmanned drones are somehow more scary and evil than manned aircraft therefore obama bad


sprawl15: mark12A: /if he does an executive order, the civil war will start

At least...in the handicap accessible portions of America.

Fark It: I'll consider more restrictions on my guns once they kill as many children as Obama's drone attacks.
ITT: bombs dropped by unmanned drones are somehow more scary and evil than manned aircraft therefore obama bad


Blowing up children to protect our freedoms: It's only bad when Republicans do it
 
2013-01-09 05:40:27 PM  
So, if us gun owners (especially those of us who own evil things like assault weapons) are supposed to feel shame and embarrassment at owning one, do people who drink also feel shame and embarrassment every time they take a sip?

What, with the 10,000 drunk driving deaths. And the 100k+ people who die in the hospital either due to or complicated by prolonged, heavy alcohol use? And all the rapes, robberies, assaults and murders that are committed by drunk people? Or the domestic violence caused by alcoholics? Or the hundreds of thousands of kids who are abused and neglected by an alcoholic parent?

I mean, shouldn't all the alcohol nuts come together as part of this nation and say "Now Is the Time To End This!" We need to have a national conversation about alcohol. We need to put reasonable restrictions on it. Why does ANYBODY need a liter bottle of vodka? If you drank that whole thing, you would be *dead*. Why is it that anyone with an ID that says they are over 21 can walk into a liquor store and buy as much alcohol as they want, even if they have a rap sheet 3 feet long with alcohol related convictions. My god, we even have bars that mix alcohol with fruit juice, so that people who don't even like the taste of alcohol can get drunk.
 
2013-01-09 05:40:28 PM  

DS1970: Obama's attacks on guns


The part that bothers me is how quickly we get here without anything being actually, officially proposed. "Attacks"?
 
2013-01-09 05:40:29 PM  

CynicalLA: I think this is just a way to get the economy moving. Scaring fat pasty white people into buying more guns and ammo. The paranoid losers fall for it every time.


That's racist.


ooooh that it was fun to throw that out. I can play too!
 
2013-01-09 05:40:36 PM  
A good friend of mine a police chief and we were talking about this issue just a few days. i asked him about enforcement if it ever came to confiscating weapons, and he just kind of laughed. He said, "We'll take them from the scumbags, but normal people? No way in hell. It's a lot like immigration..."

Thought that was pretty good.

/He wasn't worried about government grants, either, since they don't use them (it's a smallish police force).
 
2013-01-09 05:40:53 PM  
It's not gun control they want; it's population control.

And suddenly Fark is anti - second amendment?
 
2013-01-09 05:40:58 PM  

HeWhoHasNoName: I've put 20 hits on 10 targets with three reloads in less than a 90 seconds.


ih1.redbubble.net
 
2013-01-09 05:41:08 PM  
Any other issue ever: meh, that's just political posturing for leverage.

Gunzzz? OMAIGAWD WATER TEH TREE OF LIBERTREE!
 
2013-01-09 05:41:11 PM  

Fark It: I'll consider more restrictions on my guns once they kill as many children as Obama's drone attacks.

/voted for him in 2008, gave money to his campaign
//never again, 3rd party for me here on out


So, it's better that we reach the maximum amount of deaths rather than reduce it? Got it.
 
2013-01-09 05:41:56 PM  

Infernalist: buffalosoldier: Infernalist: duffblue: Infernalist: Xcott: Vectron: He just made Smith and Wesson's first quarter, a bang on one.

Well, unless he plans on tripling the price by declaring a 200 PERCENT FIREARM TAX.

Actually, that wouldn't be bad public policy. Newtown happened not because "guns are legal," but because a schizo kid had a goddamn arsenal right there in his house. And that happened because it's become a teatard fad for everyone and your mother to have a badass arsenal for recreational shooting and because society's about to collapse. One of those oodles of heavily armed people is bound to have a schizo kid.

To combat this, what you need to do is have a policy that lets people keep and bear arms, but somehow reduces the raw number of weapons and "enthusiasts" stockpiling assault rifles on every block. A massive tax would probably serve that purpose.

$5000 per bullet should suffice.

How to you intend to reduce gun violence when every single firearm already purchased is grandfathered in?

If I had my way, I'd have the gun factories shut down. Without a steady flood of new guns into the system, the problem will solve itself in about 50 years.

Be glad a real liberal isn't in the President's seat.

Considering I was out shooting my damn near 150 year old mosin nagant yesterday, that is pretty funny.

Planning to do any school massacres with that single shot pos?


No. But then I wasn't planning on it with my AR either?

I will listen politely to an opposing viewpoint ON guns... but the MN is a fine weapon, good enough to have seen service as a sniper rifle as recently as WW2. Show some damned respect.
 
2013-01-09 05:42:02 PM  

Vectron: CynicalLA: I think this is just a way to get the economy moving. Scaring fat pasty white people into buying more guns and ammo. The paranoid losers fall for it every time.

That's racist.


ooooh that it was fun to throw that out. I can play too!


It would work if I wasn't white. I'm allowed to make fun of white trash.
 
2013-01-09 05:42:21 PM  

The_Sponge: Giltric: I have a couple Colts they are good weapons. As accurate as my safe queens are but for half the price

So what are your safe queens?


Not mine - just same make/model Damn fine rifle and made in America

i13.tinypic.com
 
2013-01-09 05:43:21 PM  
"We are not going to get caught up in the notion that unless we can do everything we're going to do nothing," Biden said. "It's critically important that we act."

Translation: Doing "something" is far more important than doing something that works.
 
2013-01-09 05:43:29 PM  
FARK gun threads read like Free Republic politics threads.

/enjoys shooting
//not a gun owner, maybe one day I will purchase one.
 
2013-01-09 05:43:34 PM  

FlashHarry: HeadLever: In fact, the typical assault riflle cartridge (.223/5.56 Nato) is on the small side for rifle calibers.

from what i understand, though it's small, the nato 5.56mm is packed with a lot of powder, which allows for very high muzzle velocity. its small size also means that more ammunition can be carried into battle.


I reload a number of calibers. I use about 26 grains for a .223, 47 grains for a .308 and 94 grains for a .338. So, the .223 is no more packed with powder than other calibers. It is light and fast but lacks energy compared to other rounds.
 
2013-01-09 05:43:35 PM  

you have pee hands: /New Orleans and Detroit are the murder capitals


St. Louis scoffs at the wannabes.
 
2013-01-09 05:44:23 PM  

AbbeySomeone: I can understand rifles and pistols but why do people need the big weaponry ie, assault rifles, etc?


Maybe a pistol grip is more comfortable than a regular stock. Why do you ask?
 
2013-01-09 05:44:29 PM  

RDixon: It's not gun control they want; it's population control.


Oh this will be good...tell me how this is "population control"?
 
2013-01-09 05:44:42 PM  

Infernalist: Good. Long overdue.

Suck it, gun nuts.


you know who liked gun control, Nazis.
 
2013-01-09 05:45:34 PM  

Bontesla: Fark It: I'll consider more restrictions on my guns once they kill as many children as Obama's drone attacks.

/voted for him in 2008, gave money to his campaign
//never again, 3rd party for me here on out

So, it's better that we reach the maximum amount of deaths rather than reduce it? Got it.


What does that even mean?
 
2013-01-09 05:46:17 PM  

HeadLever: The_Sponge: Giltric: I have a couple Colts they are good weapons. As accurate as my safe queens are but for half the price

So what are your safe queens?

Not mine - just same make/model Damn fine rifle and made in America


Anything good to say about rifle rests? Thinking about picking one up but I don't know any pros or cons about owning one.
 
2013-01-09 05:46:19 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: I've put 20 hits on 10 targets with three reloads in less than a 90 seconds.

[ih1.redbubble.net image 413x550]


All I'm pointing out is that the ability to put a lot of rounds on target quickly isn't unique to magazine-fed "assault weapons"... and in fact a 100+ year old bolt action rifle is easily capable of it. Which cleanly undermines the fallacious argument that "assault weapons" are somehow significantly more deadly in that regard. They're not, and it's a clear sign of ignorance about the subject matter to claim so.

Then again, I can tell you're not actually interested in rational, calm discourse.
 
2013-01-09 05:46:39 PM  

FlashHarry: HeadLever: In fact, the typical assault riflle cartridge (.223/5.56 Nato) is on the small side for rifle calibers.

from what i understand, though it's small, the nato 5.56mm is packed with a lot of powder, which allows for very high muzzle velocity. its small size also means that more ammunition can be carried into battle.


to get an accurate representation of 'power' you will want ot look at energy of the round:

cal.vet.upenn.edu
 
2013-01-09 05:46:48 PM  

GoldSpider: "We are not going to get caught up in the notion that unless we can do everything we're going to do nothing," Biden said. "It's critically important that we act."

Translation: Doing "something" is far more important than doing something that works.


Yeah, that's not what he said at all.
 
2013-01-09 05:46:53 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Giltric: Insatiable Jesus: Mr.BobDobalita: So we've got 100k-ish defensive gun uses (DGU) where lives were probably saved.... and we've got around 12k gun murders.... 100k lives saved to 12k lives lost.... ummmmm.... maybe I"m bad at math, but seems to me guns save more people than kill.


How many DGUs would have been unnecessary if the other party didn't have a gun?


Did the guy in Atlanta who was shot by the woman hiding with her 2 kids in the closet have a gun?

I mean maybe he just wanted to scare her or play mousetrap with her kids....

He had a crowbar.

And likely would have moved on had she answered the door or made her presence known.


I seriously hate the anti-2nd crowd's habit of blaming the victim.  It's their own special kind of derp.
 
2013-01-09 05:47:22 PM  

Mr.BobDobalita: you have pee hands: Mr.BobDobalita: So we've got 100k-ish defensive gun uses (DGU) where lives were probably saved.... and we've got around 12k gun murders.... 100k lives saved to 12k lives lost.... ummmmm.... maybe I"m bad at math, but seems to me guns save more people than kill.

By saying you think that 100,000 lives are saved by guns you're saying that for every homicide that actually happened 6 were prevented by guns. That defensive gun usage causes a 85% drop in the murder rate. That's patently absurd.

These are not MY stats.


DGU


A defensive gun use isn't a murder prevented. It's probably most often a mugging. That's still worth preventing. Some of them are most likely ITG bullshiat that never even happened. When one study comes back with 60,000 and another with 2,500,000 that's a pretty good sign they don't have a very good handle on what's really happening, especially since it's a subject where a lot of the "researchers" have an axe to grind in both directions.

I'm pro concealed carry (for the qualified) but presenting silly "facts" like 100,000 lives saved isn't useful.
 
2013-01-09 05:47:50 PM  

HeWhoHasNoName: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: I've put 20 hits on 10 targets with three reloads in less than a 90 seconds.

[ih1.redbubble.net image 413x550]

All I'm pointing out is that the ability to put a lot of rounds on target quickly isn't unique to magazine-fed "assault weapons"... and in fact a 100+ year old bolt action rifle is easily capable of it. Which cleanly undermines the fallacious argument that "assault weapons" are somehow significantly more deadly in that regard. They're not, and it's a clear sign of ignorance about the subject matter to claim so.

Then again, I can tell you're not actually interested in rational, calm discourse.


If you're trying to make the argument that bolt action is as deadly as a semi-auto, you are something else. Ridiculous on its face.
 
2013-01-09 05:48:17 PM  

randomjsa: Go ahead. Deliver a majority in the senate to the Republicans with gun control the same way you lost your super majority in the senate and your majority in the house with ObamaCare.


This honestly scares me more than anything. Sure dems could lock down deep blue areas with this kind of talk but they will lose heavily any ground they have made in places like Texas and Florida, and they have made ALOT of farking ground in those states in 4 years. They have to think about the long game not this stupid battle. Show up to this fight, fire a few shots and then retreat until a better battle presents itself, dont stick around and waste all your time fighting one issue that wont get anywhere but tie you up for 4 years and lose whatever progress you have made in ALL other areas.

House GoP must have had orgasm's when heard the big talk comming out of the white house.
 
2013-01-09 05:48:35 PM  

WordyGrrl: Bit'O'Gristle: There is no easy answer, except outlaw guns except for hunting. To be kept at the range locked up when not used.

Or we could really enforce the 2nd Amendment and require all gun owners to meet weekly/monthly at the nearest town square for a few hours of marching practice and basic infantry tactics. Ya know, sort of like a well-regulated militia.

/If that happens, I get dibs on the beer and pork rinds concession stand.


As has been pointed out that is not part of the 2nd Amendment but we could enforce Title Sec. 311. Militia: composition and classes

-STATUTE-
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied
males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section
313 of title 32, under 45 years of age
who are, or who have made a
declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States
and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the
National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are -
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard
and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of
the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the
Naval Militia. 10 of the US code:
 
2013-01-09 05:48:43 PM  

Fark It: Blowing up children to protect our freedoms: It's only bad when Republicans do it


Hey look, a total moron missing the point. Must be a Loud and Proud Fark Independent(tm)
 
2013-01-09 05:48:52 PM  
Whether you like Jon Stewart or not, his piece last night on TDS about gun control was really well-done.
 
2013-01-09 05:49:11 PM  
It's about damn time we got rid of that pesky amendment process! The president should be able to change whatever he wants in the constitution. I look forward to the Republicans using executive orders to further amend that worthless piece of paper the next time they win the office. What could possibly go wrong?

AbbeySomeone: I can understand rifles and pistols but why do people need the big weaponry ie, assault rifles, etc?


The AR15 is one of the smallest rifle calibers there is. You don't understand it because surprise, surprise, you don't know shiat about guns and base your arguments on feelings rather than logic. TMYK.
 
2013-01-09 05:49:13 PM  

HeWhoHasNoName: and in fact a 100+ year old bolt action rifle is easily capable of it


Hahaha. Yeah. A clip-fed bolt action rifle clearly has the same rate-of-fire as a magazine-fed semi-automatic.
 
2013-01-09 05:49:49 PM  
Is a 444 Raging Bull considered an "assault weapon"?
 
2013-01-09 05:50:09 PM  

tnpir: Jaws_Victim: Good. And when crazy pants people like that yelling dude on cnn decide to retaliate, we can put them away forever and make the world a better place.

So were you also waiting and hoping Piers Morgan would rear back and coldcock that motherfarker upside the head?


I was expecting that when Alex Jones started talking in a British accent.
 
2013-01-09 05:50:19 PM  
Trolls, people discussing semantics, and more trolls.

Just your typical Fark gun thread.
 
2013-01-09 05:50:40 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: I've put 20 hits on 10 targets with three reloads in less than a 90 seconds.

[ih1.redbubble.net image 413x550]

All I'm pointing out is that the ability to put a lot of rounds on target quickly isn't unique to magazine-fed "assault weapons"... and in fact a 100+ year old bolt action rifle is easily capable of it. Which cleanly undermines the fallacious argument that "assault weapons" are somehow significantly more deadly in that regard. They're not, and it's a clear sign of ignorance about the subject matter to claim so.

Then again, I can tell you're not actually interested in rational, calm discourse.

If you're trying to make the argument that bolt action is as deadly as a semi-auto, you are something else. Ridiculous on its face.


I have some of each. Which one do you feel like running from? I'll even let you pick the caliber.
 
2013-01-09 05:50:59 PM  

umad: The AR15 is one of the smallest rifle calibers there is.


Any weapon that fires AR15s would have to be pretty damn large.

umad: You don't understand it because surprise, surprise, you don't know shiat about guns and base your arguments on feelings rather than logic.


Oh, irony.
 
2013-01-09 05:51:13 PM  

RulerOfNone: Is a 444 Raging Bull considered an "assault weapon"?


The definition of "assault weapon" is fluid, and subject to amendment based upon an anti-gun politician's whims. The Raging Bull revolver therefore could hypothetically be an "assault weapon".
 
2013-01-09 05:51:52 PM  

EatenTheSun: I have some of each. Which one do you feel like running from? I'll even let you pick the caliber


I'll take the bolt-action. In the time it takes for you to slide that sucker back, I'm either diving for your knees or behind cover. Depending on how close I am to you.
 
2013-01-09 05:52:05 PM  

Clutch2013: Trolls, people discussing semantics, and more trolls.

Just your typical Fark gun thread.

FTFY
 
2013-01-09 05:52:55 PM  

umad: It's about damn time we got rid of that pesky amendment process! The president should be able to change whatever he wants in the constitution. I look forward to the Republicans using executive orders to further amend that worthless piece of paper the next time they win the office. What could possibly go wrong?

AbbeySomeone: I can understand rifles and pistols but why do people need the big weaponry ie, assault rifles, etc?

The AR15 is one of the smallest rifle calibers there is. You don't understand it because surprise, surprise, you don't know shiat about guns and base your arguments on feelings rather than logic. TMYK.



The .223 round is completely ineffective and almost non-lethal. That's why the US military uses it.

Thanks for clearing that up for us all.
 
2013-01-09 05:53:32 PM  
In case anybody's interested, they're talking about possibly using executive action for things that DO NOT require congressional approval, like prosecuting people who lie about background checks, for example.

But since brainless paranoia helps gun sales tremendously, it's very much in the gun lobby's interests to stoke it. So continue pooping your pants in fury, I guess. Just crack a window, please.
 
2013-01-09 05:53:37 PM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: ronaprhys: AbbeySomeone: I can understand rifles and pistols but why do people need the big weaponry ie, assault rifles, etc?

You do realize that we're not talking about actual assault rifles, don't you? Those are already heavily regulated. We're talking about semi-automatic rifles that are actually less powerful than many traditional hunting rifles (but are also semi-automatic, lever, or bolt action, depending on the specific rifle). They just look different.

Right. This isn't about "the big weaponry". The Feinstein bill would do nothing about machine guns, rocket launchers, grenades, cannons, etc. Those things are already illegal as hell unless you go through some very rigorous paperwork signed off by the local police chief and the ATF.

What it would do, is make most of the guns in the country overnight into "dangerous military weapons" in the eyes of the law and permit the government to seize them. Basically anything with a detachable magazine, even if the normal magazine is a five-round box, could be construed as an "assault" weapon, because it maybe might just be able to have a large magazine attached instead.

Personally, I'm all for increased and expanded background checks, better tracking of large sales, some additional restrictions of online sales, and I would actually support making detachable magazines over 15 rounds into NFA items (meaning you have to pay a special tax and register them with the government, the same as silencers). I also think it should be required that every firearm sold comes with a tamper-resistant trigger lock provided by the manufacturer (either built into the gun, or removable, as long as it meets a minimum standard).

But this bill that's being proposed? No, it's bullshiat, and it won't save any lives.


Thank you. Lost in all this BS coming from both sides is a reasonable solution.

What do we need to do? IMO, to start off, eliminate the gun show loopholes. Require background checks for all transfers. Impose mandatory waiting periods. Allow sellers to use the "eye test." If someone looks a bit iffy, don't sell to them and make them speak with law enforcement before processing their form 4473. Here in Illinois people biatch about having a firearms card that has to be renewed every 5 years (10, now I guess). I'm ok with something similar on the national level. Renew it every few years to ensure you haven't committed any felonies or been put in a nut house.

I'm fine with limiting magazine capacities to 10 rounds. I'm also good with requiring bullet buttons or something similar to make mag changes require a tool. I'm not ok with banning something just because of military style features like pistol grips, bayonet lugs, or flash hiders that do absolutely nothing to make the gun more dangerous.

I'm against banning internet sales of guns. I don't think people understand how that works. It's not like ordering a laptop and having it delivered to your front door. It's delivered from one federally licensed dealer to one in your local area, where you do paperwork just like if you'd found it there in the first place.

Ammunition is another can of worms. I could go either way on that. Perhaps if some sort of national gun card was issued, you could send a copy of that to get ammo shipped to your home. (Same thing that happens here in IL). I hate to see a limit on how much can be purchased at once though -- just because I'm a cheapskate and when I find a good price I'll buy quite a bit at once. Kind of like shopping at Costco.

It seems to me a few common sense things are a whole lot better than a kneejerk reaction of "ban everything I don't like or don't understand!"
 
2013-01-09 05:53:48 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: umad: It's about damn time we got rid of that pesky amendment process! The president should be able to change whatever he wants in the constitution. I look forward to the Republicans using executive orders to further amend that worthless piece of paper the next time they win the office. What could possibly go wrong?

AbbeySomeone: I can understand rifles and pistols but why do people need the big weaponry ie, assault rifles, etc?

The AR15 is one of the smallest rifle calibers there is. You don't understand it because surprise, surprise, you don't know shiat about guns and base your arguments on feelings rather than logic. TMYK.


The .223 round is completely ineffective and almost non-lethal. That's why the US military uses it.

Thanks for clearing that up for us all.


Your summary is a lie, which is consistent with your history of dishonesty.
 
2013-01-09 05:54:00 PM  

TomD9938: In 2011, the latest year for which detailed statistics are available, there were 12,664 murders in the US. Of those, 8,583 were caused by firearms, down 3% from a year earlier.

So, how many of those were assualt rifle murders? Eight thousand? One?


http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-t h e-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8

In 2011 there were 323 murders by rifle. The AR-15 type rifle is a subset of that number and is not indicated. It is interesting to note that the total number of murders by rifle is decreasing. If you were to believe the gun control advocates it should be increasing every year from 2004 (end of the last gun ban).
 
2013-01-09 05:54:08 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: I've put 20 hits on 10 targets with three reloads in less than a 90 seconds.

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All I'm pointing out is that the ability to put a lot of rounds on target quickly isn't unique to magazine-fed "assault weapons"... and in fact a 100+ year old bolt action rifle is easily capable of it. Which cleanly undermines the fallacious argument that "assault weapons" are somehow significantly more deadly in that regard. They're not, and it's a clear sign of ignorance about the subject matter to claim so.

Then again, I can tell you're not actually interested in rational, calm discourse.

If you're trying to make the argument that bolt action is as deadly as a semi-auto, you are something else. Ridiculous on its face.


Tell that to the 16 dead and 32 injured by charles whitman
 
2013-01-09 05:54:20 PM  

EatenTheSun: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: I've put 20 hits on 10 targets with three reloads in less than a 90 seconds.

[ih1.redbubble.net image 413x550]

All I'm pointing out is that the ability to put a lot of rounds on target quickly isn't unique to magazine-fed "assault weapons"... and in fact a 100+ year old bolt action rifle is easily capable of it. Which cleanly undermines the fallacious argument that "assault weapons" are somehow significantly more deadly in that regard. They're not, and it's a clear sign of ignorance about the subject matter to claim so.

Then again, I can tell you're not actually interested in rational, calm discourse.

If you're trying to make the argument that bolt action is as deadly as a semi-auto, you are something else. Ridiculous on its face.

I have some of each. Which one do you feel like running from? I'll even let you pick the caliber.



Homicidal ideation in a Gunfapper? I am SHOCKED people!
 
2013-01-09 05:55:00 PM  
To ask another person to give up their guns so you can feel safer is a cowardly thing to do. Those against guns have this delusion that state and police will protect them. The state and police can not and will not protect you, you have to protect yourself. Automatic weapons are needed to keep governments at bay they are the last defense of a out of control state and police force. But those against guns will never ask the state or police to give up their guns just the citizens.

You know who liked gun control Hitler did. Seems like gun control nuts like Hitler's ideas after all.
 
2013-01-09 05:55:05 PM  
Oh, great...just when we Dems finally had the GOP on the ropes, the President throws them a lifeline for 2014.

Democratic President from 2014 to 2016
 
2013-01-09 05:55:08 PM  

duffblue: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: I've put 20 hits on 10 targets with three reloads in less than a 90 seconds.

[ih1.redbubble.net image 413x550]

All I'm pointing out is that the ability to put a lot of rounds on target quickly isn't unique to magazine-fed "assault weapons"... and in fact a 100+ year old bolt action rifle is easily capable of it. Which cleanly undermines the fallacious argument that "assault weapons" are somehow significantly more deadly in that regard. They're not, and it's a clear sign of ignorance about the subject matter to claim so.

Then again, I can tell you're not actually interested in rational, calm discourse.

If you're trying to make the argument that bolt action is as deadly as a semi-auto, you are something else. Ridiculous on its face.

Tell that to the 16 dead and 32 injured by charles whitman

 
2013-01-09 05:55:36 PM  
I think that this is the best idea I heard since 2008 for solving the unemployment problem. How many people would it take to disarm America?
 
2013-01-09 05:55:46 PM  

duffblue: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: I've put 20 hits on 10 targets with three reloads in less than a 90 seconds.

[ih1.redbubble.net image 413x550]

All I'm pointing out is that the ability to put a lot of rounds on target quickly isn't unique to magazine-fed "assault weapons"... and in fact a 100+ year old bolt action rifle is easily capable of it. Which cleanly undermines the fallacious argument that "assault weapons" are somehow significantly more deadly in that regard. They're not, and it's a clear sign of ignorance about the subject matter to claim so.

Then again, I can tell you're not actually interested in rational, calm discourse.

If you're trying to make the argument that bolt action is as deadly as a semi-auto, you are something else. Ridiculous on its face.

Tell that to the 16 dead and 32 injured by charles whitman


Mr. Whitman killed only fourteen individuals. Therefore an assault weapons ban is justified.
 
2013-01-09 05:55:47 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Giltric: Insatiable Jesus: Mr.BobDobalita: So we've got 100k-ish defensive gun uses (DGU) where lives were probably saved.... and we've got around 12k gun murders.... 100k lives saved to 12k lives lost.... ummmmm.... maybe I"m bad at math, but seems to me guns save more people than kill.


How many DGUs would have been unnecessary if the other party didn't have a gun?


Did the guy in Atlanta who was shot by the woman hiding with her 2 kids in the closet have a gun?

I mean maybe he just wanted to scare her or play mousetrap with her kids....

He had a crowbar.

And likely would have moved on had she answered the door or made her presence known.



Ok I followed the link and I see that he did go away from another home when confronted by the homeowner. Google homicide/burglary for instances when the burglar did not walk away. You can not predict the behavior of people that want to break into your house. Shockingly,often times burglars do not comport themselves in a professional way.

These are bad people. It may seem unfair but sometimes ....bad things happen to bad people.
 
2013-01-09 05:55:49 PM  

OgreMagi: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Giltric: Insatiable Jesus: Mr.BobDobalita: So we've got 100k-ish defensive gun uses (DGU) where lives were probably saved.... and we've got around 12k gun murders.... 100k lives saved to 12k lives lost.... ummmmm.... maybe I"m bad at math, but seems to me guns save more people than kill.


How many DGUs would have been unnecessary if the other party didn't have a gun?


Did the guy in Atlanta who was shot by the woman hiding with her 2 kids in the closet have a gun?

I mean maybe he just wanted to scare her or play mousetrap with her kids....

He had a crowbar.

And likely would have moved on had she answered the door or made her presence known.

I seriously hate the anti-2nd crowd's habit of blaming the victim.  It's their own special kind of derp.


I got no sympathy for anyone who gets shot committing a b&e.

Even so, check the link.
 
2013-01-09 05:56:12 PM  

Stone Meadow: Oh, great...just when we Dems finally had the GOP on the ropes, the President throws them a lifeline for 2014.

Democratic President from 2014 to 2016 with GOP House AND Senate.


FTFM
 
2013-01-09 05:56:23 PM  
According to my inbox, Obama has already taken our guns away three times. What more could happen?
 
2013-01-09 05:56:38 PM  
Biden seems hell bent on being president.
 
2013-01-09 05:57:04 PM  

HeWhoHasNoName: Do you understand why?

It's a reaction not to the event, but to the historic pattern of threats and attempted actions by federal politicians every time such an event has happened.

If there was a major media and political blitz to ban the public sales of automobiles every time a senior citizen plowed through a farmer's market, or a drunk driver killed a bunch of children, all in the name of pushing people into public transit and out of private car ownership, I can guarantee you that automobile sales would eventually start spiking every time such an event occurred so people could get a car before they were cut off.

If it was sports cars or muscle cars in particular, I can ABSOLUTELY guarantee you that every Mustang, Camaro, Corvette, Audi R8, Viper, and every other sports car that looked "fast" would be flying off the lot as people who wanted one tried to buy one while before a possible ban.


But how many of those people are the same people buying in a pre-ban panic time after time after time? Because these panic buys happen repeatedly, every couple months now. How many times can one load up before they finally feel they have enough?
 
2013-01-09 05:57:09 PM  

RickN99: Damn it! I've been trying to buy an AR-15 for 3 months as my Christmas present to myself. Between the empty shelves and the jacked-up prices, I have been waiting for things to settle down.

This is not helping!


I wouldn't admit to having a small penisi n a public forum, but you go on ahead.
 
2013-01-09 05:57:28 PM  

someonelse: In case anybody's interested, they're talking about possibly using executive action for things that DO NOT require congressional approval, like prosecuting people who lie about background checks, for example.


I'd be very amused if he decides to focus the new EOs on handguns rather than "assault weapons" like he hinted at during the debate.
 
2013-01-09 05:57:28 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: EatenTheSun: I have some of each. Which one do you feel like running from? I'll even let you pick the caliber

I'll take the bolt-action. In the time it takes for you to slide that sucker back, I'm either diving for your knees or behind cover. Depending on how close I am to you.


If you are diving at my knees I won't need the extra time it takes to reacquire a target. If you hide behind cover, well, it's simple enough to keep you there while I make my way down to you.
 
2013-01-09 05:58:30 PM  

pmdgrwr: Those against guns have this delusion that state and police will protect them. The state and police can not and will not protect you, you have to protect yourself


Yet another loon who thinks this is the Old West for some reason.
 
2013-01-09 05:58:44 PM  

Gosling: HeWhoHasNoName: Do you understand why?

It's a reaction not to the event, but to the historic pattern of threats and attempted actions by federal politicians every time such an event has happened.

If there was a major media and political blitz to ban the public sales of automobiles every time a senior citizen plowed through a farmer's market, or a drunk driver killed a bunch of children, all in the name of pushing people into public transit and out of private car ownership, I can guarantee you that automobile sales would eventually start spiking every time such an event occurred so people could get a car before they were cut off.

If it was sports cars or muscle cars in particular, I can ABSOLUTELY guarantee you that every Mustang, Camaro, Corvette, Audi R8, Viper, and every other sports car that looked "fast" would be flying off the lot as people who wanted one tried to buy one while before a possible ban.

But how many of those people are the same people buying in a pre-ban panic time after time after time? Because these panic buys happen repeatedly, every couple months now. How many times can one load up before they finally feel they have enough?


People with mental illnesses have trouble regulating their behavior.

This is Ric Romero reporting!
 
2013-01-09 05:58:45 PM  

ghare: RickN99: Damn it! I've been trying to buy an AR-15 for 3 months as my Christmas present to myself. Between the empty shelves and the jacked-up prices, I have been waiting for things to settle down.

This is not helping!

I wouldn't admit to having a small penisi n a public forum, but you go on ahead.


Your obsession with RickN99's penis, and your baseless speculation upon the size thereof, is of no relevance to the current discussion.
 
2013-01-09 05:58:49 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: I'll take the bolt-action. In the time it takes for you to slide that sucker back, I'm either diving for your knees or behind cover. Depending on how close I am to you.


Good luck with that. A good enfield (10 round mag, BTW) can fire off some big honkin' rounds really fast. In fact, there's stories of german troops in WW2 thinking they were under fire from automatics. And they turn cover into kindling.

/I've got one in .308, and you can throw that bolt REALLY farking fast.
 
2013-01-09 05:58:51 PM  

duffblue: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: I've put 20 hits on 10 targets with three reloads in less than a 90 seconds.

[ih1.redbubble.net image 413x550]

All I'm pointing out is that the ability to put a lot of rounds on target quickly isn't unique to magazine-fed "assault weapons"... and in fact a 100+ year old bolt action rifle is easily capable of it. Which cleanly undermines the fallacious argument that "assault weapons" are somehow significantly more deadly in that regard. They're not, and it's a clear sign of ignorance about the subject matter to claim so.

Then again, I can tell you're not actually interested in rational, calm discourse.

If you're trying to make the argument that bolt action is as deadly as a semi-auto, you are something else. Ridiculous on its face.

Tell that to the 16 dead and 32 injured by charles whitman


duffblue: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: I've put 20 hits on 10 targets with three reloads in less than a 90 seconds.

[ih1.redbubble.net image 413x550]

All I'm pointing out is that the ability to put a lot of rounds on target quickly isn't unique to magazine-fed "assault weapons"... and in fact a 100+ year old bolt action rifle is easily capable of it. Which cleanly undermines the fallacious argument that "assault weapons" are somehow significantly more deadly in that regard. They're not, and it's a clear sign of ignorance about the subject matter to claim so.

Then again, I can tell you're not actually interested in rational, calm discourse.

If you're trying to make the argument that bolt action is as deadly as a semi-auto, you are something else. Ridiculous on its face.

Tell that to the 16 dead and 32 injured by charles whitman



16 dead in 2 hours with a bolt action rifle.

26 dead in 10 minutes with a semi-auto.

Is this the math Gunfappers use to make themselves feel better? Oh wait, that's what the guns are for. Sorry.
 
2013-01-09 05:59:08 PM  

duffblue: HeadLever: The_Sponge: Giltric: I have a couple Colts they are good weapons. As accurate as my safe queens are but for half the price

So what are your safe queens?

Not mine - just same make/model Damn fine rifle and made in America

Anything good to say about rifle rests? Thinking about picking one up but I don't know any pros or cons about owning one.


I may have a few ideas. What are you looking to do? Hobby shooting at the range, full blown benchrest (competition) or varmint hunting off the picknic table?

Generally you will want to buy quality first. Sinclair makes a very good rest (a little pricy, though). Caldwell is a step down, but more reasonably priced. Protektor bags are about the best as well and are pretty decently priced.
 
2013-01-09 05:59:12 PM  

Government Fromage: Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: ronaprhys: AbbeySomeone: I can understand rifles and pistols but why do people need the big weaponry ie, assault rifles, etc?

You do realize that we're not talking about actual assault rifles, don't you? Those are already heavily regulated. We're talking about semi-automatic rifles that are actually less powerful than many traditional hunting rifles (but are also semi-automatic, lever, or bolt action, depending on the specific rifle). They just look different.

Right. This isn't about "the big weaponry". The Feinstein bill would do nothing about machine guns, rocket launchers, grenades, cannons, etc. Those things are already illegal as hell unless you go through some very rigorous paperwork signed off by the local police chief and the ATF.

What it would do, is make most of the guns in the country overnight into "dangerous military weapons" in the eyes of the law and permit the government to seize them. Basically anything with a detachable magazine, even if the normal magazine is a five-round box, could be construed as an "assault" weapon, because it maybe might just be able to have a large magazine attached instead.

Personally, I'm all for increased and expanded background checks, better tracking of large sales, some additional restrictions of online sales, and I would actually support making detachable magazines over 15 rounds into NFA items (meaning you have to pay a special tax and register them with the government, the same as silencers). I also think it should be required that every firearm sold comes with a tamper-resistant trigger lock provided by the manufacturer (either built into the gun, or removable, as long as it meets a minimum standard).

But this bill that's being proposed? No, it's bullshiat, and it won't save any lives.

Thank you. Lost in all this BS coming from both sides is a reasonable solution.

What do we need to do? IMO, to start off, eliminate the gun show loopholes. Require background checks for all transfers. ...


This entire exchange restores in me a glimmer of hope that rational people exist to steer this national debate.
 
2013-01-09 05:59:16 PM  

RulerOfNone: Is a 444 Raging Bull considered an "assault weapon"?


What about a 1966 Beatles Revolver?
 
2013-01-09 05:59:18 PM  

computerguyUT: Well, Odouchebag has already used his magical Power Rangers Decree rights more than any president in history, so....

Just sayin.


Stop lying.
 
2013-01-09 05:59:22 PM  

CynicalLA: Vectron: CynicalLA: I think this is just a way to get the economy moving. Scaring fat pasty white people into buying more guns and ammo. The paranoid losers fall for it every time.

That's racist.


ooooh that it was fun to throw that out. I can play too!

It would work if I wasn't white. I'm allowed to make fun of white trash I like to feel superior to other people.

 
2013-01-09 05:59:30 PM  

EatenTheSun: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: I've put 20 hits on 10 targets with three reloads in less than a 90 seconds.

[ih1.redbubble.net image 413x550]

All I'm pointing out is that the ability to put a lot of rounds on target quickly isn't unique to magazine-fed "assault weapons"... and in fact a 100+ year old bolt action rifle is easily capable of it. Which cleanly undermines the fallacious argument that "assault weapons" are somehow significantly more deadly in that regard. They're not, and it's a clear sign of ignorance about the subject matter to claim so.

Then again, I can tell you're not actually interested in rational, calm discourse.

If you're trying to make the argument that bolt action is as deadly as a semi-auto, you are something else. Ridiculous on its face.

I have some of each. Which one do you feel like running from? I'll even let you pick the caliber.


I remember reading somewhere that early in WWI the British Army had trained their infantry to fire their bolt action rifles so fast that Germans thought the British as far more machine guns than they actually did.

I know with a lever action rifle you can put out a lot of rounds fast also.
 
2013-01-09 05:59:42 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: AbbeySomeone: I can understand rifles and pistols but why do people need the big weaponry ie, assault rifles, etc?

To shoot American soldiers and police officers.

Of course, they don't say that until later in the conversation but they get around to it eventually.


Actually it isn't Soldiers and Police creating the stir, they are just poor wage slaves caught in the middle. Just like a lot of German soldiers were in WW2, they will be "just following orders". Though when Obama starts ordering citizens killed (with guns) because they won't comply with an illegal "law" the Brown Shirts will be the ones who run into the serious shiat. It doesn't matter, they aren't any more important than the peasants they have been ordered to murder.
 
2013-01-09 05:59:48 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: EatenTheSun: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: I've put 20 hits on 10 targets with three reloads in less than a 90 seconds.

[ih1.redbubble.net image 413x550]

All I'm pointing out is that the ability to put a lot of rounds on target quickly isn't unique to magazine-fed "assault weapons"... and in fact a 100+ year old bolt action rifle is easily capable of it. Which cleanly undermines the fallacious argument that "assault weapons" are somehow significantly more deadly in that regard. They're not, and it's a clear sign of ignorance about the subject matter to claim so.

Then again, I can tell you're not actually interested in rational, calm discourse.

If you're trying to make the argument that bolt action is as deadly as a semi-auto, you are something else. Ridiculous on its face.

I have some of each. Which one do you feel like running from? I'll even let you pick the caliber.


Homicidal ideation in a Gunfapper? I am SHOCKED people!


Nah, I have no desire to kill you. But if I did, it wouldn't make much difference which rifle I brought.
 
2013-01-09 06:00:26 PM  

GoldSpider: What do we need to do? IMO, to start off, eliminate the gun show loopholes. Require background checks for all transfers. ...

This entire exchange restores in me a glimmer of hope that rational people exist to steer this national debate.


Rational individuals do not author legislation, nor are they prominently visible on either side of the current discussion.
 
2013-01-09 06:00:26 PM  
I remember back during the Bush administration when executive orders were bad. Good times.
 
2013-01-09 06:00:29 PM  
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2013-01-09 06:00:36 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: pmdgrwr: Those against guns have this delusion that state and police will protect them. The state and police can not and will not protect you, you have to protect yourself

Yet another loon who thinks this is the Old West for some reason.


Yep, they can ALL whip out their weapon so fast they can take out the guy with a gun who has the drop on them...and has squeezed off a dozen rounds before they even know what's happening.
 
2013-01-09 06:01:31 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: HeWhoHasNoName: and in fact a 100+ year old bolt action rifle is easily capable of it

Hahaha. Yeah. A clip-fed bolt action rifle clearly has the same rate-of-fire as a magazine-fed semi-automatic.


I'd say at best, with reloads from a stripper clip, on an old school bolt action, you'd be lucky to hit 20-30 a minute, depending on mag size, and still hit a target.

The reason we moved to semi-auto and then full auto/burst rifles was the massive increase to rate of fire. The move to smaller caliber shot was to increase ammo supply per Gi and better control in auto/burst/etc. It was just as effective, really, at moderate range.
 
2013-01-09 06:01:42 PM  
Meh. If you can executive order away the 2nd amendment, that leaves open the possibility that we can executive order away the 14th or the 19th etc etc.
 
2013-01-09 06:01:55 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: duffblue: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: I've put 20 hits on 10 targets with three reloads in less than a 90 seconds.

[ih1.redbubble.net image 413x550]

All I'm pointing out is that the ability to put a lot of rounds on target quickly isn't unique to magazine-fed "assault weapons"... and in fact a 100+ year old bolt action rifle is easily capable of it. Which cleanly undermines the fallacious argument that "assault weapons" are somehow significantly more deadly in that regard. They're not, and it's a clear sign of ignorance about the subject matter to claim so.

Then again, I can tell you're not actually interested in rational, calm discourse.

If you're trying to make the argument that bolt action is as deadly as a semi-auto, you are something else. Ridiculous on its face.

Tell that to the 16 dead and 32 injured by charles whitman

duffblue: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: I've put 20 hits on 10 targets with three reloads in less than a 90 seconds.

[ih1.redbubble.net image 413x550]

All I'm pointing out is that the ability to put a lot of rounds on target quickly isn't unique to magazine-fed "assault weapons"... and in fact a 100+ year old bolt action rifle is easily capable of it. Which cleanly undermines the fallacious argument that "assault weapons" are somehow significantly more deadly in that regard. They're not, and it's a clear sign of ignorance about the subject matter to claim so.

Then again, I can tell you're not actually interested in rational, calm discourse.

If you're trying to make the argument that bolt action is as deadly as a semi-auto, you are something else. Ridiculous on its face.

Tell that to the 16 dead and 32 injured by charles whitman


16 dead in 2 hours with a bolt action rifle.

26 dead in 10 minutes with a semi-auto.

Is this the math Gunfappers use to make themselves feel better? Oh wait, that's what the guns are for. Sorry.


So bolt action rifles aren't as deadly as semiautomatic rifles? Got it.
 
2013-01-09 06:02:36 PM  

Mrtraveler01: RDixon: It's not gun control they want; it's population control.

Oh this will be good...tell me how this is "population control"?


Well, duh, if Joe Sixpack doesnt have an assault rifle, he cant shoot at the planes laying down chemtrails.

/adjusts tinfoil
 
2013-01-09 06:02:43 PM  

buffalosoldier:

I will listen politely to an opposing viewpoint ON guns... but the MN is a fine weapon, good enough to have seen service as a sniper rifle as recently as WW2. Show some damned respect.


Got nothin but respect for nuggets.

i594.photobucket.com

I discussed them with my wife and some friends one time when somebody brought up cheap guns. They didnt believe me, until I did some quick searches for prices on the big screen. I used to actually have one about 25 years ago, had no idea what it was till I had long sold it. Paid $100 bucks, got $100 bucks, worth $60 bucks. Was a good rifle, chambered like a brick. Built like one.
 
2013-01-09 06:03:19 PM  

you have pee hands: I'm pro concealed carry (for the qualified) but presenting silly "facts" like 100,000 lives saved isn't useful.


On the other hand, even if you reduce the instances (not even "lives saved") by a couple of orders of magnitude, and give to the fact that maybe someone, somewhere saved their own life or that of someone else (recent theater shooting in Texas, maybe?), it does something to counter the statement that it's worth doing to save a single life.

But let's not be disingenuous about this. If we actually do care about saving lives - if that's the primary value in this question - might we not be better served looking at things that kill more people? For example errors at hospitals, errors with pharmaceuticals, alcohol abuse, tobacco abuse, drone strikes (if we don't have to keep the conversation under the rubric of U.S. citizens' lives), depleted uranium, wars and other "kinetic actions"?

But that's not what this conversation is really about. Somehow, it's become politicized and polarized. Any idea why? That is a question worth answering honestly.

Finally, if saving lives being taken by guns is the absolute imperative (granted warranting argument), what about risk/reward? It's an easy thing for a gun nut to mumble something about cold dead fingers. It's an easy thing for an enlightened soul to say good riddance. However, if it is about the body count and only that, has anyone done any analysis about the effects of a ban or partial ban on the body count in the U.S.? I think I read somewhere that it cost between 1000 and 3000 lives in Australia. How many, if any, are we willing to risk and/or lose here for this notion?

Solutions to societal problems seldom are binary things. I don't have any answers, of course, but because this is a pretty emotional issue for many right now, I do think that needs to be taken into account.
 
2013-01-09 06:04:07 PM  

ghare: cameroncrazy1984: pmdgrwr: Those against guns have this delusion that state and police will protect them. The state and police can not and will not protect you, you have to protect yourself

Yet another loon who thinks this is the Old West for some reason.

Yep, they can ALL whip out their weapon so fast they can take out the guy with a gun who has the drop on them...and has squeezed off a dozen rounds before they even know what's happening.


These overweight white trash can barely get out of their recliners. They are all rambos in fantasy land though.
 
2013-01-09 06:04:14 PM  

ghare: cameroncrazy1984: pmdgrwr: Those against guns have this delusion that state and police will protect them. The state and police can not and will not protect you, you have to protect yourself

Yet another loon who thinks this is the Old West for some reason.

Yep, they can ALL whip out their weapon so fast they can take out the guy with a gun who has the drop on them...and has squeezed off a dozen rounds before they even know what's happening.


So guns are so dangerous that anyone who owns them is a madman risking their own life and guns are totally useless in self-defense?
 
2013-01-09 06:04:27 PM  

Dimensio: GoldSpider: What do we need to do? IMO, to start off, eliminate the gun show loopholes. Require background checks for all transfers. ...

This entire exchange restores in me a glimmer of hope that rational people exist to steer this national debate.

Rational individuals do not author legislation, nor are they prominently visible on either side of the current discussion.


Unfortunately you're right. I think half of the legislation comes from people who get all their insight about guns from the movies, and the ones vocally against it are complete loons.

Stuck in the middle are those of us who might own a few guns that we use for plinking or hunting and actually know about them...but get tossed in with the crazies and told we shouldn't have what we have.
 
2013-01-09 06:04:35 PM  

pmdgrwr: To ask another person to give up their guns so you can feel safer is a cowardly thing to do. Those against guns have this delusion that state and police will protect them. The state and police can not and will not protect you, you have to protect yourself. Automatic weapons are needed to keep governments at bay they are the last defense of a out of control state and police force. But those against guns will never ask the state or police to give up their guns just the citizens.

You know who liked gun control Hitler did. Seems like gun control nuts like Hitler's ideas after all.

i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-01-09 06:04:36 PM  
Smart Diplomacy: Saying "Nobody's going to take your guns away" until the military has recalled enough troops to start going door to door.

/contrary to popular belief, the result will not be a better world
//"And the burnt fool's bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the fire"
 
2013-01-09 06:04:47 PM  
Science and Engineering in the USA already is metric.

It the consumer side that isn't.
 
2013-01-09 06:05:21 PM  
Dear, every fooking idiot who compares alcohol/tobacco deaths to gun deaths...

If I drink and smoke MYSELF to death that's my god damned problem. If YOU go on a shooting rampage or leave your penis extensions laying around for your psychotic crotchbooger f*ck trophies or Cracky McCrackenstein to steal then YOU are the problem.

Your pathetic attempts to justify your need for more than a revolver in the nightstand to protect your family are exactly that... pathetic.

G0BOOGER!
 
2013-01-09 06:05:32 PM  

sprawl15: Fark It: Blowing up children to protect our freedoms: It's only bad when Republicans do it

Hey look, a total moron missing the point. Must be a Loud and Proud Fark Independent(tm)


Please tell me how Obama gives a damn about the well-being of children. I love how anybody who doesn't tow your hysterical party line is now a conservative. I'm an atheist who supports gay marriage, abortion, and single-payer. But please, keep calling me a Republican, it's very amusing.
 
2013-01-09 06:06:10 PM  
To serve humanity.

4.bp.blogspot.com

IT'S A COOK BOOK!
 
2013-01-09 06:07:22 PM  

Government Fromage: Stuck in the middle are those of us who might own a few guns that we use for plinking or hunting and actually know about them...but get tossed in with the crazies and told we shouldn't have what we have.


Amen to that...
 
2013-01-09 06:07:47 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: I've put 20 hits on 10 targets with three reloads in less than a 90 seconds.

[ih1.redbubble.net image 413x550]

All I'm pointing out is that the ability to put a lot of rounds on target quickly isn't unique to magazine-fed "assault weapons"... and in fact a 100+ year old bolt action rifle is easily capable of it. Which cleanly undermines the fallacious argument that "assault weapons" are somehow significantly more deadly in that regard. They're not, and it's a clear sign of ignorance about the subject matter to claim so.

Then again, I can tell you're not actually interested in rational, calm discourse.

If you're trying to make the argument that bolt action is as deadly as a semi-auto, you are something else. Ridiculous on its face.


I think he was.leaning towards the: "mag fed semi autos are more lethal then bolt action, but not as much as is claimed."

Another (sad) way to look at it is assume the latest shooting, the perp only had a bolt action. Would it be a mass (child) casuality event, given a similar time frame? Another minute worth of shooting before police arrived (i dont know the response time in this incident)?

The moses lake frontier jr high shooting in the mid 90's was done with a bolt action rifle if memory serves. on mobile or would post link.

/grew up in moses lake general area and in high school when it happenef.
 
2013-01-09 06:07:57 PM  

EatenTheSun: Insatiable Jesus: EatenTheSun: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: I've put 20 hits on 10 targets with three reloads in less than a 90 seconds.

[ih1.redbubble.net image 413x550]

All I'm pointing out is that the ability to put a lot of rounds on target quickly isn't unique to magazine-fed "assault weapons"... and in fact a 100+ year old bolt action rifle is easily capable of it. Which cleanly undermines the fallacious argument that "assault weapons" are somehow significantly more deadly in that regard. They're not, and it's a clear sign of ignorance about the subject matter to claim so.

Then again, I can tell you're not actually interested in rational, calm discourse.

If you're trying to make the argument that bolt action is as deadly as a semi-auto, you are something else. Ridiculous on its face.

I have some of each. Which one do you feel like running from? I'll even let you pick the caliber.


Homicidal ideation in a Gunfapper? I am SHOCKED people!

Nah, I have no desire to kill you. But if I did, it wouldn't make much difference which rifle I brought.



i.qkme.me
 
2013-01-09 06:08:34 PM  
We have to act. We don't know what it is yet. We don't know what we can legally do. But, we have to act. And we will. We'll do something, definitely. For sure.
 
2013-01-09 06:09:33 PM  

Tatterdemalian: Smart Diplomacy: Saying "Nobody's going to take your guns away" until the military has recalled enough troops to start going door to door.

/contrary to popular belief, the result will not be a better world
//"And the burnt fool's bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the fire"


The way this country is divided politically, if a Republican ever gets elected president again it may cause some on the left to rethink gun ownership for themselves.
 
2013-01-09 06:10:14 PM  

Clash City Farker: RulerOfNone: Is a 444 Raging Bull considered an "assault weapon"?

What about a 1966 Beatles Revolver?


Only three hits in 28 minutes so probably not.
 
2013-01-09 06:10:56 PM  
Shockingly, the people who fear guns out of ignorance also fear gun owners for the same reason. The paranoid, gun-hoarding whackjobs represent a rather small slice of the whole gun violence picture.
 
2013-01-09 06:11:25 PM  
Not going to happen. Any executive order would be taken to the SCOTUS, and Roberts isn't going to side with the President on this one.

I would be very surprised if any gun control was enacted without some kind of concession to the far right 20%.
 
2013-01-09 06:11:27 PM  

Infernalist: Good. Long overdue.

Suck it, gun nuts.


Why do I get the feeling you posted that comment sipping a latte in a Starbucks? By the way, are those skinny jeans comfortable?
 
2013-01-09 06:12:05 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Clash City Farker: RulerOfNone: Is a 444 Raging Bull considered an "assault weapon"?

What about a 1966 Beatles Revolver?

Only three hits in 28 minutes so probably not.


Okay that was hilarious
 
2013-01-09 06:12:23 PM  

Fark It: I'll consider more restrictions on my guns once they kill as many children as Obama's drone attacks.

/voted for him in 2008, gave money to his campaign
//never again, 3rd party for me here on out


Drone strikes have killed about 200 children worldwide since 2004.

Guns Killed 5,728 kids in America in 2008-2009.

So... You ready to come to the table now?
 
2013-01-09 06:13:01 PM  

Infernalist: HeadLever: Infernalist: Most of the farking retards who stock up on guns and ammo wouldn't know how to change the oil in their cars.

Sure they would. Not hard. Right now reloading supplies are just as hard to find right now as ammo. Besides, many would get rich in the newly created black market.

I personally think it's a miracle worth mentioning that most of them don't choke to death on their own tongues, so perhaps you have a higher degree of optimism regarding their ability to adapt and change.

I think that when it finally happens, 99.999% of the 'from my cold dead hands!' crowd will squeal like a bunch of piglets, hire a bunch of lawyers and when that fails them, they'll wail and scream and gnash their teeth and hide their guns...

And do exactly jack shiat other than whimper and cry to each other on internet message boards.


i have been on fark virtually since it's inception...and i have no problem saying that your posts in this thread are among the stupidest and most ill-informed posts i have ever read on fark.

and that's saying something.  my god you are an idiot.  and no, i'm not a right wing nutjob.
 
2013-01-09 06:13:23 PM  

Jaws_Victim: tnpir: Jaws_Victim: Good. And when crazy pants people like that yelling dude on cnn decide to retaliate, we can put them away forever and make the world a better place.

So were you also waiting and hoping Piers Morgan would rear back and coldcock that motherfarker upside the head?

I would've liked him to call the man unhinged and ended with "Is this the kind of man you really want to own assault weapons?" but I draw the line at physical violence. I felt he held his own against a yelling maniac pretty well.


I used to draw such a line. I don't anymore. Some people simply need to have their face rearranged because reason fails.
 
2013-01-09 06:13:34 PM  

Infernalist: Again, most of the drool-cup champs that cling to their guns are lucky not to get lost in their local Super Walmart and you think they'd be able to learn how to reload ammo that doesn't explode upon firing.


Reloading ammo is actually pretty simple and with a progressive press it can be done in comparatively little time. You might make a bad round once in awhile but it is pretty easily avoided you just have to watch your powder charge.
 
2013-01-09 06:13:39 PM  

GoldSpider: Shockingly, the people who fear guns out of ignorance also fear gun owners for the same reason. The paranoid, gun-hoarding whackjobs represent a rather small slice of the whole gun violence picture.


I said it in another thread and I'll say it again: the vast majority of gun hoarders have more in common with the guy that collects model trains than the guy advocating for personal statehood. It's a different kind of hobby to them. I'd say the second most common group of gun hoarders are actually gold-style investors, but I have no real data to back that up.
 
2013-01-09 06:14:33 PM  

Mr.BobDobalita: duffblue: All things that I don't completely agree with are scary, and I wish to deprive 315 million other people of their 2nd amendment rights as a result of my own fear, ignorance and cowardice

YEp. This is what it boils down to. As I've said, all rifle murders in 2011 amounted to 400. "Assault rifles" were a subset of that already small number. What we're talking about with the anti-"assault" rifle people here is LITERALLY trampling the rights of tens of millions of people over 400 deaths.

The absurdity boggles the mind.


No one is taking away your right to be armed. You're framing the conversation in a dishonest light.

There's a proposal to reduce the type of guns. You don't have a constitutional right to every gun. Now, you're insisting on maintaining a certain privilege at the cost of, by your own numbers, 400 deaths a year.
 
2013-01-09 06:15:08 PM  

Fubini: Not going to happen. Any executive order would be taken to the SCOTUS, and Roberts isn't going to side with the President on this one.

I would be very surprised if any gun control was enacted without some kind of concession to the far right 20%.


As I've said before, I won't be surprised one bit if whatever is offered by the left is traded down to reinstatement of the AWB/high capacity magazine bans as well as a few more token things like extended waiting periods on purchases. 'Assault weapons' are a fraction of a fraction of gun crime, but for some reason people want to jerk themselves off into dehydration over that debate rather than focusing on the vast majority of gun crime that's committed with handguns or looking at some of the social causes for the vast majority of gun crime like the illegal drug trade.

But those would take effort. And it's far easier to just make fun of a Bushmaster ad or declare the opposition gun grabbers.
 
2013-01-09 06:15:12 PM  

odinsposse: ghare: cameroncrazy1984: pmdgrwr: Those against guns have this delusion that state and police will protect them. The state and police can not and will not protect you, you have to protect yourself

Yet another loon who thinks this is the Old West for some reason.

Yep, they can ALL whip out their weapon so fast they can take out the guy with a gun who has the drop on them...and has squeezed off a dozen rounds before they even know what's happening.

So guns are so dangerous that anyone who owns them is a madman risking their own life and guns are totally useless in self-defense?


Owning them? Hell, if you demonstrate a knowledge of them that goes beyond the typical Journalist's Guide, you are obviously a hardened killer and should be regarded with the same wariness as the homeless guy who's wearing about eight layers of furs in the middle of July. Ownership status does not have to come into play.

/I have been told this
//by otherwise smart people, to boot
///Sometimes I laugh. Sometimes I wonder how the hell they made it out of bed in the morning
 
2013-01-09 06:15:12 PM  
It only takes one of the crazy-sounding ones to shoot a shiatload of people. That's why people are freaked out by "gun nuts".
 
2013-01-09 06:15:16 PM  

stir22: i have been on fark virtually since it's inception...and i have no problem saying that your posts in this thread are among the stupidest and most ill-informed posts i have ever read on fark.


Cut and paste.
Cut and paste.
Cut and paste.
Cut and paste.
Cut and paste.
 
2013-01-09 06:15:24 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: EatenTheSun: Insatiable Jesus: EatenTheSun: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: I've put 20 hits on 10 targets with three reloads in less than a 90 seconds.

[ih1.redbubble.net image 413x550]

All I'm pointing out is that the ability to put a lot of rounds on target quickly isn't unique to magazine-fed "assault weapons"... and in fact a 100+ year old bolt action rifle is easily capable of it. Which cleanly undermines the fallacious argument that "assault weapons" are somehow significantly more deadly in that regard. They're not, and it's a clear sign of ignorance about the subject matter to claim so.

Then again, I can tell you're not actually interested in rational, calm discourse.

If you're trying to make the argument that bolt action is as deadly as a semi-auto, you are something else. Ridiculous on its face.

I have some of each. Which one do you feel like running from? I'll even let you pick the caliber.


Homicidal ideation in a Gunfapper? I am SHOCKED people!

Nah, I have no desire to kill you. But if I did, it wouldn't make much difference which rifle I brought.


Never made any such claim. But feel free to answer my question.
 
2013-01-09 06:15:39 PM  

Vectron: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Giltric: Insatiable Jesus: Mr.BobDobalita: So we've got 100k-ish defensive gun uses (DGU) where lives were probably saved.... and we've got around 12k gun murders.... 100k lives saved to 12k lives lost.... ummmmm.... maybe I"m bad at math, but seems to me guns save more people than kill.


How many DGUs would have been unnecessary if the other party didn't have a gun?


Did the guy in Atlanta who was shot by the woman hiding with her 2 kids in the closet have a gun?

I mean maybe he just wanted to scare her or play mousetrap with her kids....

He had a crowbar.

And likely would have moved on had she answered the door or made her presence known.


Oh puh-leeze.


An Oalkand woman used her cell phone to record video of a crook robbing her house moments before he raped her.
"I'm sorry, can you leave," she is heard saying.
"Yeah," he mumbles in response.
The she got some nice rapey-rape.


I don't see how I could keep up a woodie while raping a conscious chick. I'd feel really bad about all the crying and would go limp.

Now if she were unconscious, that's a different story...
 
2013-01-09 06:15:43 PM  

orclover: CynicalLA: orclover: Insatiable Jesus: Dimensio: Oldiron_79:

t2.gstatic.com



Wow, y'know... it's incredible... where did you get that pic? I've heard most women have exactly that same reaction when I sext them my junk.

/I even use the same caption
 
2013-01-09 06:16:22 PM  
The second amendment guarantees the only right we have that is physically tangible. Unlike the freedom to travel, our freedom of speech, and our freedom to pursue happiness (which have all been infringed upon for the last 50 years), they will have to pry my "rights" from my cold dead farking hands.
 
2013-01-09 06:16:54 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: pmdgrwr: Those against guns have this delusion that state and police will protect them. The state and police can not and will not protect you, you have to protect yourself

Yet another loon who thinks this is the Old West for some reason.


Says the poster who thinks that more gun control, more legislation, more governemnt is the answer.

At least I do not fool myself into thinking that morality can be legislated.

Where was the police when all of the shootings we have had. No place to be found.
 
2013-01-09 06:17:04 PM  

Vectron: You base too many of your opinions from what you see on TV. Get out in the world more.


I don't watch TV...not violent enough
 
2013-01-09 06:17:16 PM  

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Fark It: I'll consider more restrictions on my guns once they kill as many children as Obama's drone attacks.

/voted for him in 2008, gave money to his campaign
//never again, 3rd party for me here on out

Drone strikes have killed about 200 children worldwide since 2004.

Guns Killed 5,728 kids in America in 2008-2009.

So... You ready to come to the table now?


How many of those kids were really teenagers involved in gang activity, and how am I in any way responsible for them? Why is it that whenever a bunch of ghetto animals shoot at each other as a result of the drug war or some lunatic goes on a shooting rampage we look to gun owners (80 million Americans) and say 'bite the pillow, for the children!'
 
2013-01-09 06:17:17 PM  

Xaneidolon: On the other hand, even if you reduce the instances (not even "lives saved") by a couple of orders of magnitude, and give to the fact that maybe someone, somewhere saved their own life or that of someone else (recent theater shooting in Texas, maybe?), it does something to counter the statement that it's worth doing to save a single life.


I think there's truth there. Saving a person's life from a domestic abuser (and I think this is the most common case where guns save lives - very few people are going to be vigilant/paranoid enough to be on alert all the time unless they know there's a specific threat) is worth something. On the other hand, there's 800-1000 accidental firearm deaths a year. Whatever it would do to other crime rates, having fewer guns around should certainly reduce that.

But let's not be disingenuous about this. If we actually do care about saving lives - if that's the primary value in this question - might we not be better served looking at things that kill more people? For example errors at hospitals, errors with pharmaceuticals, alcohol abuse, tobacco abuse, drone strikes (if we don't have to keep the conversation under the rubric of U.S. citizens' lives), depleted uranium, wars and other "kinetic actions"?

I think we should look at all of those things. Tobacco abuse might be the best model. Deaths from that are way down just by public stigmatization without having to pass laws that make criminals out of big parts of the population and I don't think anyone's lost for it but the growers.

But that's not what this conversation is really about. Somehow, it's become politicized and polarized. Any idea why? That is a question worth answering honestly.

Finally, if saving lives being taken by guns is the absolute imperative (granted warranting argument), what about risk/reward? It's an easy thing for a gun nut to mumble something about cold dead fingers. It's an easy thing for an enlightened soul to say good riddance. However, if it is about the body count and only that, has anyone done any analysis about the effects of a ban or partial ban on the body count in the U.S.? I think I read somewhere that it cost between 1000 and 3000 lives in Australia. How many, if any, are we willing to risk and/or lose here for this notion?

Solutions to societal problems seldom are binary things. I don't have any answers, of course, but because this is a pretty emotional issue for many right now, I do think that needs to be taken into account.


I don't really have any good answer to it either. I hadn't heard about a body count in Australia so I can't comment. I'm not sure the cost of a potential seizure is really a realistic issue yet anyway because despite all the grandstanding and strawmanning in every Fark gun thread the likelihood of anything more than a semi-useless assault rifle ban and the closing of the so called "gun show loophole" is IMO roughly zero.
 
2013-01-09 06:17:29 PM  
License every last person who wants to own guns. Any guns. They have to register every single one of their guns. Any guns found on people who a) do not have a license or b) did not register that gun gets their guns confiscated and depending on the circumstance get charged.

F*ck this sh*t. If you truly ARE a responsible gun owner this should not be a problem. No more a problem than having a drivers license and owning vehicles... which by the way actually serve a purpose OTHER than destroying things.
 
2013-01-09 06:18:12 PM  

pmdgrwr: cameroncrazy1984: pmdgrwr: Those against guns have this delusion that state and police will protect them. The state and police can not and will not protect you, you have to protect yourself

Yet another loon who thinks this is the Old West for some reason.

Says the poster who thinks that more gun control, more legislation, more governemnt is the answer.

At least I do not fool myself into thinking that morality can be legislated.

Where was the police when all of the shootings we have had. No place to be found.


If you do your own research, you will discover that SCOTUS has upheld the ruling that the police actually have zero duty to protect and or serve.
 
2013-01-09 06:18:51 PM  

HartRend: The second amendment guarantees the only right we have that is physically tangible. Unlike the freedom to travel, our freedom of speech, and our freedom to pursue happiness (which have all been infringed upon for the last 50 years), they will have to pry my "rights" from my cold dead farking hands.


Your terms are acceptable...
 
2013-01-09 06:19:29 PM  

Okie_Gunslinger: Infernalist: Again, most of the drool-cup champs that cling to their guns are lucky not to get lost in their local Super Walmart and you think they'd be able to learn how to reload ammo that doesn't explode upon firing.

Reloading ammo is actually pretty simple and with a progressive press it can be done in comparatively little time. You might make a bad round once in awhile but it is pretty easily avoided you just have to watch your powder charge.


CSB
Got to laugh at a buddy that completly forgot the powder. one small little *snap* and nothing. the primer was enough to push the bullet out and lodge it in the lands. Since no one had a cleaning rod, he got to watch the rest of us have fun until we got back to the truck and was able to knock the bullet out of the barrel.
/CSB
 
2013-01-09 06:19:30 PM  

Fark It: Bontesla: Fark It: I'll consider more restrictions on my guns once they kill as many children as Obama's drone attacks.

/voted for him in 2008, gave money to his campaign
//never again, 3rd party for me here on out

So, it's better that we reach the maximum amount of deaths rather than reduce it? Got it.

What does that even mean?


That we need to bomb more brown children, I think.
 
2013-01-09 06:19:36 PM  
CRIMINALS DO NOT FOLLOW LAWS

OUTLAWING GUNS DOES NOT DO A DAMN THING TO THE BAD GUYS

ONLY THE GOOD GUYS FOLLOW THE LAW

OUTLAWING GUNS ONLY TAKES AWAY FROM THE GOOD GUYS
 
2013-01-09 06:19:47 PM  

HartRend: If you do your own research, you will discover that SCOTUS has upheld the ruling that the police actually have zero duty to protect and or serve.


I'm pretty sure that was his point.
 
2013-01-09 06:20:03 PM  

Dimensio: ghare: RickN99: Damn it! I've been trying to buy an AR-15 for 3 months as my Christmas present to myself. Between the empty shelves and the jacked-up prices, I have been waiting for things to settle down.

This is not helping!

I wouldn't admit to having a small penisi n a public forum, but you go on ahead.

Your obsession with RickN99's penis, and your baseless speculation upon the size thereof, is of no relevance to the current discussion.


How do you know its baseless?
 
2013-01-09 06:20:21 PM  

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Fark It: I'll consider more restrictions on my guns once they kill as many children as Obama's drone attacks.

/voted for him in 2008, gave money to his campaign
//never again, 3rd party for me here on out

Drone strikes have killed about 200 children worldwide since 2004.

Guns Killed 5,728 kids in America in 2008-2009.

So... You ready to come to the table now?


Youre making the mistake of assuming hes arguing from an honest position. He, like the rest of the gun nuts are not. They are simply shouting down all gun control under any disguise available at the time, regardless of the coginitive dissonance and/or hypocrisy required.
 
2013-01-09 06:20:26 PM  

occamswrist: Vectron: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Giltric: Insatiable Jesus: Mr.BobDobalita: So we've got 100k-ish defensive gun uses (DGU) where lives were probably saved.... and we've got around 12k gun murders.... 100k lives saved to 12k lives lost.... ummmmm.... maybe I"m bad at math, but seems to me guns save more people than kill.


How many DGUs would have been unnecessary if the other party didn't have a gun?


Did the guy in Atlanta who was shot by the woman hiding with her 2 kids in the closet have a gun?

I mean maybe he just wanted to scare her or play mousetrap with her kids....

He had a crowbar.

And likely would have moved on had she answered the door or made her presence known.


Oh puh-leeze.


An Oalkand woman used her cell phone to record video of a crook robbing her house moments before he raped her.
"I'm sorry, can you leave," she is heard saying.
"Yeah," he mumbles in response.
The she got some nice rapey-rape.

I don't see how I could keep up a woodie while raping a conscious chick. I'd feel really bad about all the crying and would go limp.

Now if she were unconscious, that's a different story...



media.comicvine.com
 
2013-01-09 06:20:28 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Clash City Farker: RulerOfNone: Is a 444 Raging Bull considered an "assault weapon"?

What about a 1966 Beatles Revolver?

Only three hits in 28 minutes so probably not.


www.appygamesblog.com
You magnificent bastard biatch.  I'll read yer book.
 
2013-01-09 06:20:37 PM  

ghare: cameroncrazy1984: pmdgrwr: Those against guns have this delusion that state and police will protect them. The state and police can not and will not protect you, you have to protect yourself

Yet another loon who thinks this is the Old West for some reason.

Yep, they can ALL whip out their weapon so fast they can take out the guy with a gun who has the drop on them...and has squeezed off a dozen rounds before they even know what's happening.


Gonzalez v Castle Rock. Went to the Supreme Court. The Justices ruled that the police have no duty to protect a citizen from crime, that their job is to investigate the crime after the fact and attempt to apprehend the perpetrator.
 
2013-01-09 06:21:42 PM  
if he does this i'm leaving and taking my three degrees (me+wife) and ninja smart son with me. america the "stupidful". i won't even care. i'll cook coke or meth for a cartel in mexico.
 
2013-01-09 06:21:43 PM  

Fark It: Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Fark It: I'll consider more restrictions on my guns once they kill as many children as Obama's drone attacks.

/voted for him in 2008, gave money to his campaign
//never again, 3rd party for me here on out

Drone strikes have killed about 200 children worldwide since 2004.

Guns Killed 5,728 kids in America in 2008-2009.

So... You ready to come to the table now?

How many of those kids were really teenagers involved in gang activity, and how am I in any way responsible for them? Why is it that whenever a bunch of ghetto animals shoot at each other as a result of the drug war or some lunatic goes on a shooting rampage we look to gun owners (80 million Americans) and say 'bite the pillow, for the children!'


Look how fast those goalposts move from a dishonest person. Amazing he had the strength to carry them. Just ignore this idiot please.
 
2013-01-09 06:23:48 PM  

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Fark It: I'll consider more restrictions on my guns once they kill as many children as Obama's drone attacks.

/voted for him in 2008, gave money to his campaign
//never again, 3rd party for me here on out

Drone strikes have killed about 200 children worldwide since 2004.

Guns Killed 5,728 kids in America in 2008-2009.

So... You ready to come to the table now?


200 children? Where are you getting your numbers from?
 
2013-01-09 06:24:06 PM  

here to help: Dear, every fooking idiot who compares alcohol/tobacco deaths to gun deaths...

If I drink and smoke MYSELF to death that's my god damned problem. If YOU go on a shooting rampage or leave your penis extensions laying around for your psychotic crotchbooger f*ck trophies or Cracky McCrackenstein to steal then YOU are the problem.

Your pathetic attempts to justify your need for more than a revolver in the nightstand to protect your family are exactly that... pathetic.

G0BOOGER!


To play devil's advocate here:

Replace alcohol in your statement with guns and it works the other way.

You may use alcohol safely in a way that affect you only that is legal. So can a firearm owner.

Firearm are used illegally/improperly and people are hurt. Same with alcohol. Family damage, people with multiple dui's and dui accidents on there records. Alcohol use affected many lives of those who had no say in the situation.

Safe(r), legal & responsible use is fine. There are INDIVIDUALS who choose to use them in other manners.

If you can use alcohol where it only affects you, why can't another do the same of firearms?

/end devil's advocate
 
2013-01-09 06:24:53 PM  

sprawl15: Oh, irony.


Your inability to read is not ironic.
 
2013-01-09 06:24:54 PM  

HartRend: pmdgrwr: cameroncrazy1984: pmdgrwr: Those against guns have this delusion that state and police will protect them. The state and police can not and will not protect you, you have to protect yourself

Yet another loon who thinks this is the Old West for some reason.

Says the poster who thinks that more gun control, more legislation, more governemnt is the answer.

At least I do not fool myself into thinking that morality can be legislated.

Where was the police when all of the shootings we have had. No place to be found.

If you do your own research, you will discover that SCOTUS has upheld the ruling that the police actually have zero duty to protect and or serve.

Agreed. I am not the one with that delusion that police will protect us. It is the gun control folks who believe police are their to protect us.
 
2013-01-09 06:24:57 PM  

HartRend: CRIMINALS DO NOT FOLLOW LAWS

OUTLAWING GUNS DOES NOT DO A DAMN THING TO THE BAD GUYS

ONLY THE GOOD GUYS FOLLOW THE LAW

OUTLAWING GUNS ONLY TAKES AWAY FROM THE GOOD GUYS


Where are the bad guys getting their guns?
 
2013-01-09 06:25:15 PM  

HartRend: CRIMINALS DO NOT FOLLOW LAWS

OUTLAWING GUNS DOES NOT DO A DAMN THING TO THE BAD GUYS

ONLY THE GOOD GUYS FOLLOW THE LAW

OUTLAWING GUNS ONLY TAKES AWAY FROM THE GOOD GUYS


Less guns in the community pool make it more costly for the criminals. Stricter regulations on who can own firearms makes it harder for those with criminal inclinations or mental health issues to acquire weapons. If they acquire them through illegal means and get caught? PMITA prison for a huge chunk of their lives.

It will get better.
Also legalize all drugs and your murder rate will drop drastically as will the need for a shameless arsenal in your homes.
 
2013-01-09 06:25:57 PM  

AbbeySomeone: I can understand rifles and pistols but why do people need the big weaponry ie, assault rifles, etc?


I can understand compacts and sub-compacts, but why do people need cars that go over 60 MPH?
 
2013-01-09 06:26:17 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: umad: It's about damn time we got rid of that pesky amendment process! The president should be able to change whatever he wants in the constitution. I look forward to the Republicans using executive orders to further amend that worthless piece of paper the next time they win the office. What could possibly go wrong?

AbbeySomeone: I can understand rifles and pistols but why do people need the big weaponry ie, assault rifles, etc?

The AR15 is one of the smallest rifle calibers there is. You don't understand it because surprise, surprise, you don't know shiat about guns and base your arguments on feelings rather than logic. TMYK.


The .223 round is completely ineffective and almost non-lethal. That's why the US military uses it.

Thanks for clearing that up for us all.


Ok genius. If the .223 is considered "big weaponry" then what do you propose should be legal?
 
2013-01-09 06:26:44 PM  

justtray: Fark It: Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Fark It: I'll consider more restrictions on my guns once they kill as many children as Obama's drone attacks.

/voted for him in 2008, gave money to his campaign
//never again, 3rd party for me here on out

Drone strikes have killed about 200 children worldwide since 2004.

Guns Killed 5,728 kids in America in 2008-2009.

So... You ready to come to the table now?

How many of those kids were really teenagers involved in gang activity, and how am I in any way responsible for them? Why is it that whenever a bunch of ghetto animals shoot at each other as a result of the drug war or some lunatic goes on a shooting rampage we look to gun owners (80 million Americans) and say 'bite the pillow, for the children!'

Look how fast those goalposts move from a dishonest person. Amazing he had the strength to carry them. Just ignore this idiot please.


Get farked. That thing that Ben Franklin said about giving up rights for a little temporary security? It applies to the second as much as it does to the rest of the Bill of Rights. I share as much responsibility for the actions of perpetrators of gun violence as Muslims and Arabs do for acts of terrorism. Zero.
 
2013-01-09 06:27:56 PM  
You can always count on the government to have some knee-jerk reaction to a tragedy which results in more legislation and shiatty unintended consequences.
 
2013-01-09 06:28:14 PM  

Dimensio: duffblue: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: I've put 20 hits on 10 targets with three reloads in less than a 90 seconds.

[ih1.redbubble.net image 413x550]

All I'm pointing out is that the ability to put a lot of rounds on target quickly isn't unique to magazine-fed "assault weapons"... and in fact a 100+ year old bolt action rifle is easily capable of it. Which cleanly undermines the fallacious argument that "assault weapons" are somehow significantly more deadly in that regard. They're not, and it's a clear sign of ignorance about the subject matter to claim so.

Then again, I can tell you're not actually interested in rational, calm discourse.

If you're trying to make the argument that bolt action is as deadly as a semi-auto, you are something else. Ridiculous on its face.

Tell that to the 16 dead and 32 injured by charles whitman

Mr. Whitman killed only fourteen individuals. Therefore an assault weapons ban is justified.


I hope you're smart enough to see the logical fallacy here. You don't help "your side" when you make it. Stop.

/hint: If Whitman had had a 100 round drum, would more people have ended up dead?
 
2013-01-09 06:29:04 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: HartRend: CRIMINALS DO NOT FOLLOW LAWS

OUTLAWING GUNS DOES NOT DO A DAMN THING TO THE BAD GUYS

ONLY THE GOOD GUYS FOLLOW THE LAW

OUTLAWING GUNS ONLY TAKES AWAY FROM THE GOOD GUYS

Where are the bad guys getting their guns?


Well the mexican bad guys were getting their guns from this administration.
 
2013-01-09 06:29:28 PM  

here to help: HartRend: CRIMINALS DO NOT FOLLOW LAWS

OUTLAWING GUNS DOES NOT DO A DAMN THING TO THE BAD GUYS

ONLY THE GOOD GUYS FOLLOW THE LAW

OUTLAWING GUNS ONLY TAKES AWAY FROM THE GOOD GUYS

Less guns in the community pool make it more costly for the criminals. Stricter regulations on who can own firearms makes it harder for those with criminal inclinations or mental health issues to acquire weapons. If they acquire them through illegal means and get caught? PMITA prison for a huge chunk of their lives..

LOL... in what fantasy world do you live in? Drugs are outlawed and have gotten cheaper, more plentiful and better over the years. Drugs are easier to get than alcohol and cigs. So what fantasy are you living.
 
2013-01-09 06:29:51 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: HartRend: CRIMINALS DO NOT FOLLOW LAWS

OUTLAWING GUNS DOES NOT DO A DAMN THING TO THE BAD GUYS

ONLY THE GOOD GUYS FOLLOW THE LAW

OUTLAWING GUNS ONLY TAKES AWAY FROM THE GOOD GUYS

Where are the bad guys getting their guns?


Operation Fast and Furious.
 
2013-01-09 06:30:06 PM  

keepitcherry: You can always count on the government to have some knee-jerk reaction to a tragedy which results in more legislation and shiatty unintended consequences.


There must be a lot of overlap between gun control enthusiasts and supporters of the Patriot Act.
 
2013-01-09 06:30:46 PM  

here to help: License every last person who wants to own guns. Any guns. They have to register every single one of their guns. Any guns found on people who a) do not have a license or b) did not register that gun gets their guns confiscated and depending on the circumstance get charged.

F*ck this sh*t. If you truly ARE a responsible gun owner this should not be a problem. No more a problem than having a drivers license and owning vehicles... which by the way actually serve a purpose OTHER than destroying things.


Enumerated right vs not enumerated item.

Please present your 1st ammendment license for review.

/godwinning a little
//you could modify the 2nd to include mandatory registrstion, but would have to be a government "shall/will" issue a permit, not "may issue."
 
2013-01-09 06:31:07 PM  

keepitcherry: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: HartRend: CRIMINALS DO NOT FOLLOW LAWS

OUTLAWING GUNS DOES NOT DO A DAMN THING TO THE BAD GUYS

ONLY THE GOOD GUYS FOLLOW THE LAW

OUTLAWING GUNS ONLY TAKES AWAY FROM THE GOOD GUYS

Where are the bad guys getting their guns?

Well the mexican bad guys were getting their guns from this administration.


Directly? Or was there some sort of intermediary?
 
2013-01-09 06:31:21 PM  

OgreMagi: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Giltric: Insatiable Jesus: Mr.BobDobalita: So we've got 100k-ish defensive gun uses (DGU) where lives were probably saved.... and we've got around 12k gun murders.... 100k lives saved to 12k lives lost.... ummmmm.... maybe I"m bad at math, but seems to me guns save more people than kill.


How many DGUs would have been unnecessary if the other party didn't have a gun?


Did the guy in Atlanta who was shot by the woman hiding with her 2 kids in the closet have a gun?

I mean maybe he just wanted to scare her or play mousetrap with her kids....

He had a crowbar.

And likely would have moved on had she answered the door or made her presence known.

I seriously hate the anti-2nd crowd's habit of blaming the victim.  It's their own special kind of derp.


I understand that if it was a legitimate home invasion her body would have had ways of rejecting that.
 
2013-01-09 06:33:10 PM  

here to help: Less guns in the community pool make it more costly for the criminals.


This line of argumentation all but admits that the community at large is just wants to stick it to the gun owners. It's also a bad way to go about things. Crime guns make up a very small minority of all guns (less than one percent, probably, according to extrapolations I did from FBI crime data a while back).

We also have people in society whose cars belch black smoke constantly because they can't be arsed to get it fixed, but the solution isn't to categorically remove 30% of all cars on the road and feel safe knowing you've at least got some of the polluters. We need better records keeping laws so we can identify risky gun purchases, rather than simply saying that all gun purchases are bad.
 
2013-01-09 06:33:37 PM  

Fark It: justtray: Fark It: Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Fark It: I'll consider more restrictions on my guns once they kill as many children as Obama's drone attacks.

/voted for him in 2008, gave money to his campaign
//never again, 3rd party for me here on out

Drone strikes have killed about 200 children worldwide since 2004.

Guns Killed 5,728 kids in America in 2008-2009.

So... You ready to come to the table now?

How many of those kids were really teenagers involved in gang activity, and how am I in any way responsible for them? Why is it that whenever a bunch of ghetto animals shoot at each other as a result of the drug war or some lunatic goes on a shooting rampage we look to gun owners (80 million Americans) and say 'bite the pillow, for the children!'

Look how fast those goalposts move from a dishonest person. Amazing he had the strength to carry them. Just ignore this idiot please.

Get farked. That thing that Ben Franklin said about giving up rights for a little temporary security? It applies to the second as much as it does to the rest of the Bill of Rights. I share as much responsibility for the actions of perpetrators of gun violence as Muslims and Arabs do for acts of terrorism. Zero.


I couldnt help you didnt refute my argument.

Sorry but this is society. Every ammendment has limitations, including the 2nd. Dont like it? Go live in your dream land of Somalia. You dont get to enjoy the limitations of the other ammendments while expecting none on the one you really care about. Deal with it and grow up.
 
2013-01-09 06:33:47 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Directly? Or was there some sort of intermediary?


The gun sellers were directed to continue with a sale that would have otherwise been stopped. So, yes. The Administration was culpable.
 
2013-01-09 06:34:14 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: OgreMagi: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Giltric: Insatiable Jesus: Mr.BobDobalita: So we've got 100k-ish defensive gun uses (DGU) where lives were probably saved.... and we've got around 12k gun murders.... 100k lives saved to 12k lives lost.... ummmmm.... maybe I"m bad at math, but seems to me guns save more people than kill.


How many DGUs would have been unnecessary if the other party didn't have a gun?


Did the guy in Atlanta who was shot by the woman hiding with her 2 kids in the closet have a gun?

I mean maybe he just wanted to scare her or play mousetrap with her kids....

He had a crowbar.

And likely would have moved on had she answered the door or made her presence known.

I seriously hate the anti-2nd crowd's habit of blaming the victim.  It's their own special kind of derp.

I understand that if it was a legitimate home invasion her body would have had ways of rejecting that.


WHEN ANOTHER HOMEOWNER CONFRONTED HIM EARLIER HE JUST LEFT.
 
2013-01-09 06:34:23 PM  

DORMAMU: To play devil's advocate here:

Replace alcohol in your statement with guns and it works the other way.

You may use alcohol safely in a way that affect you only that is legal. So can a firearm owner.

Firearm are used illegally/improperly and people are hurt. Same with alcohol. Family damage, people with multiple dui's and dui accidents on there records. Alcohol use affected many lives of those who had no say in the situation.

Safe(r), legal & responsible use is fine. There are INDIVIDUALS who choose to use them in other manners.

If you can use alcohol where it only affects you, why can't another do the same of firearms?

/end devil's advocate


And those who abuse alcohol in a way that physically impacts others should have that right stripped away and get locked up in rehab and if they cannot stop hurting others because of it be removed from society permanently.

Same sh*t. Having a ridiculous amount of firearms laying around is as irresponsible as driving drunk.

I got no problem with responsible gun ownership and reasonable weapons. The laws being suggested not only recently but for YEARS are not about that. It's about getting... sh*t... under... freaking... control.

Keep a revolver. Keep some hunting weapons. Get licensed. Register them. Take courses. It's not a big freaking deal.
 
2013-01-09 06:34:28 PM  
 
2013-01-09 06:34:39 PM  
He better fu(king not...
 
2013-01-09 06:34:49 PM  

pmdgrwr: here to help: HartRend: CRIMINALS DO NOT FOLLOW LAWS

OUTLAWING GUNS DOES NOT DO A DAMN THING TO THE BAD GUYS

ONLY THE GOOD GUYS FOLLOW THE LAW

OUTLAWING GUNS ONLY TAKES AWAY FROM THE GOOD GUYS

Less guns in the community pool make it more costly for the criminals. Stricter regulations on who can own firearms makes it harder for those with criminal inclinations or mental health issues to acquire weapons. If they acquire them through illegal means and get caught? PMITA prison for a huge chunk of their lives.. LOL... in what fantasy world do you live in? Drugs are outlawed and have gotten cheaper, more plentiful and better over the years. Drugs are easier to get than alcohol and cigs. So what fantasy are you living.


Stop lying. You just make you and every gun nut look like a total moron when you pretend to know facts.
 
2013-01-09 06:36:18 PM  
I can't have a gun in the house. I have a rat terrior.
 
2013-01-09 06:36:28 PM  

HeadLever: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Directly? Or was there some sort of intermediary?

The gun sellers were directed to continue with a sale that would have otherwise been stopped. So, yes. The Administration was culpable.


Directed by who?
 
2013-01-09 06:37:07 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: He had a crowbar.

And likely would have moved on had she answered the door or made her presence known.


While I'd like to believe that. I doubt it. If he was looking for a "no rough stuff" type of deal, he'd have fled the second he realized she was there. But no, he looked for her. Why? What's he going to do at that point? Tell her to hang up the phone and hand over cash?

We don't know the mindset or logic he used in that first encounter. He may have done the math on his odds of taking on that homeowner and saw it as too risky. What was the guarantee if she stuck her head out the door that he wouldn't push her back in and assault her?

You say it was "likely" he'd have moved on. That's total conjecture on your part.

Infernalist: buffalosoldier: Infernalist: duffblue: Infernalist: Xcott: Vectron: He just made Smith and Wesson's first quarter, a bang on one.

Well, unless he plans on tripling the price by declaring a 200 PERCENT FIREARM TAX.

Actually, that wouldn't be bad public policy. Newtown happened not because "guns are legal," but because a schizo kid had a goddamn arsenal right there in his house. And that happened because it's become a teatard fad for everyone and your mother to have a badass arsenal for recreational shooting and because society's about to collapse. One of those oodles of heavily armed people is bound to have a schizo kid.

To combat this, what you need to do is have a policy that lets people keep and bear arms, but somehow reduces the raw number of weapons and "enthusiasts" stockpiling assault rifles on every block. A massive tax would probably serve that purpose.

$5000 per bullet should suffice.

How to you intend to reduce gun violence when every single firearm already purchased is grandfathered in?

If I had my way, I'd have the gun factories shut down. Without a steady flood of new guns into the system, the problem will solve itself in about 50 years.

Be glad a real liberal isn't in the President's seat.

Considering I was out shooting my damn near 150 year old mosin nagant yesterday, that is pretty funny.

Planning to do any school massacres with that single shot pos?


It's a Mosin Nagant... it shoots through schools.

Link

Insatiable Jesus: HeWhoHasNoName: I've put 20 hits on 10 targets with three reloads in less than a 90 seconds.

[ih1.redbubble.net image 413x550]


Actually, yea... we kinda do.
 
2013-01-09 06:37:30 PM  

Bontesla: Mr.BobDobalita: duffblue: All things that I don't completely agree with are scary, and I wish to deprive 315 million other people of their 2nd amendment rights as a result of my own fear, ignorance and cowardice

YEp. This is what it boils down to. As I've said, all rifle murders in 2011 amounted to 400. "Assault rifles" were a subset of that already small number. What we're talking about with the anti-"assault" rifle people here is LITERALLY trampling the rights of tens of millions of people over 400 deaths.

The absurdity boggles the mind.

No one is taking away your right to be armed. You're framing the conversation in a dishonest light.

There's a proposal to reduce the type of guns. You don't have a constitutional right to every gun. Now, you're insisting on maintaining a certain privilege at the cost of, by your own numbers, 400 deaths a year.


duffblue has stated no such insistence. Your claim is a lie.
 
2013-01-09 06:37:42 PM  

here to help: Having a ridiculous amount of firearms laying around is as irresponsible as driving drunk.


You're comparing owning guns to drunk driving? Really?

And you wonder why people won't engage you in a meaningful discussion about gun violence?
 
2013-01-09 06:37:58 PM  

justtray: Fark It: justtray: Fark It: Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Fark It: I'll consider more restrictions on my guns once they kill as many children as Obama's drone attacks.

/voted for him in 2008, gave money to his campaign
//never again, 3rd party for me here on out

Drone strikes have killed about 200 children worldwide since 2004.

Guns Killed 5,728 kids in America in 2008-2009.

So... You ready to come to the table now?

How many of those kids were really teenagers involved in gang activity, and how am I in any way responsible for them? Why is it that whenever a bunch of ghetto animals shoot at each other as a result of the drug war or some lunatic goes on a shooting rampage we look to gun owners (80 million Americans) and say 'bite the pillow, for the children!'

Look how fast those goalposts move from a dishonest person. Amazing he had the strength to carry them. Just ignore this idiot please.

Get farked. That thing that Ben Franklin said about giving up rights for a little temporary security? It applies to the second as much as it does to the rest of the Bill of Rights. I share as much responsibility for the actions of perpetrators of gun violence as Muslims and Arabs do for acts of terrorism. Zero.

I couldnt help you didnt refute my argument.

Sorry but this is society. Every ammendment has limitations, including the 2nd. Dont like it? Go live in your dream land of Somalia. You dont get to enjoy the limitations of the other ammendments while expecting none on the one you really care about. Deal with it and grow up.


I already accept limitations on the 2nd. You seem to be of the idea that the bill of rights is really a list of privileges. What was your argument anyway, other than 'he must be a Fark Independent for not supporting Feinstein/Bloomberg, etal'
 
2013-01-09 06:38:05 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: HartRend: CRIMINALS DO NOT FOLLOW LAWS

OUTLAWING GUNS DOES NOT DO A DAMN THING TO THE BAD GUYS

ONLY THE GOOD GUYS FOLLOW THE LAW

OUTLAWING GUNS ONLY TAKES AWAY FROM THE GOOD GUYS

Where are the bad guys getting their guns?


Where do they get their drugs?
 
2013-01-09 06:38:08 PM  
If Washington is anything like Fark, I can see why we never see any reasonable gun control laws. The people trying to work things out sensibly and drowned out by the jackasses on either side of them.
 
2013-01-09 06:39:41 PM  

justtray: pmdgrwr: here to help: HartRend: CRIMINALS DO NOT FOLLOW LAWS

OUTLAWING GUNS DOES NOT DO A DAMN THING TO THE BAD GUYS

ONLY THE GOOD GUYS FOLLOW THE LAW

OUTLAWING GUNS ONLY TAKES AWAY FROM THE GOOD GUYS

Less guns in the community pool make it more costly for the criminals. Stricter regulations on who can own firearms makes it harder for those with criminal inclinations or mental health issues to acquire weapons. If they acquire them through illegal means and get caught? PMITA prison for a huge chunk of their lives.. LOL... in what fantasy world do you live in? Drugs are outlawed and have gotten cheaper, more plentiful and better over the years. Drugs are easier to get than alcohol and cigs. So what fantasy are you living.

Stop lying. You just make you and every gun nut look like a total moron when you pretend to know facts.


I rather look like a moron than to keep convincing myself that govenment will always protect me.
 
2013-01-09 06:40:39 PM  

OgreMagi: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Giltric: Insatiable Jesus: Mr.BobDobalita: So we've got 100k-ish defensive gun uses (DGU) where lives were probably saved.... and we've got around 12k gun murders.... 100k lives saved to 12k lives lost.... ummmmm.... maybe I"m bad at math, but seems to me guns save more people than kill.


How many DGUs would have been unnecessary if the other party didn't have a gun?


Did the guy in Atlanta who was shot by the woman hiding with her 2 kids in the closet have a gun?

I mean maybe he just wanted to scare her or play mousetrap with her kids....

He had a crowbar.

And likely would have moved on had she answered the door or made her presence known.

I seriously hate the anti-2nd crowd's habit of blaming the victim.  It's their own special kind of derp.


I've had drunk people come up to my apartment and try to get in, insisting that it was their friends place and they needed someplace to crash for the night (this was around 4AM). They weren't belligerent, but they were persistent, and there were a few of them. I've never seriously wanted a gun for self defense, but I can honestly see my wife or my grandparents getting one if she were living on her own, and I would not blame them one bit for brandishing a weapon at three drunk men who refused to leave. It's also not like you can easily call 911 while you're arguing with guys trying to pull your door open.
 
2013-01-09 06:40:46 PM  

Fark It: justtray: Fark It: justtray: Fark It: Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Fark It: I'll consider more restrictions on my guns once they kill as many children as Obama's drone attacks.

/voted for him in 2008, gave money to his campaign
//never again, 3rd party for me here on out

Drone strikes have killed about 200 children worldwide since 2004.

Guns Killed 5,728 kids in America in 2008-2009.

So... You ready to come to the table now?

How many of those kids were really teenagers involved in gang activity, and how am I in any way responsible for them? Why is it that whenever a bunch of ghetto animals shoot at each other as a result of the drug war or some lunatic goes on a shooting rampage we look to gun owners (80 million Americans) and say 'bite the pillow, for the children!'

Look how fast those goalposts move from a dishonest person. Amazing he had the strength to carry them. Just ignore this idiot please.

Get farked. That thing that Ben Franklin said about giving up rights for a little temporary security? It applies to the second as much as it does to the rest of the Bill of Rights. I share as much responsibility for the actions of perpetrators of gun violence as Muslims and Arabs do for acts of terrorism. Zero.

I couldnt help you didnt refute my argument.

Sorry but this is society. Every ammendment has limitations, including the 2nd. Dont like it? Go live in your dream land of Somalia. You dont get to enjoy the limitations of the other ammendments while expecting none on the one you really care about. Deal with it and grow up.

I already accept limitations on the 2nd. You seem to be of the idea that the bill of rights is really a list of privileges. What was your argument anyway, other than 'he must be a Fark Independent for not supporting Feinstein/Bloomberg, etal'


That you presented a bar, someone listed the facts that met that bar, then you moved the goalposts instead of admitting your understanding was wrong and therefore you should agree to discuss better gun control. That was my argument, and since you couldn't deal with it, you decided to tell me to get farked instead of addressing your logical fallacy moving the goalposts.
 
2013-01-09 06:41:00 PM  

Vectron: Tatterdemalian: Smart Diplomacy: Saying "Nobody's going to take your guns away" until the military has recalled enough troops to start going door to door.

/contrary to popular belief, the result will not be a better world
//"And the burnt fool's bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the fire"

The way this country is divided politically, if a Republican ever gets elected president again it may cause some on the left to rethink gun ownership for themselves.


They already believe in gun ownership for themselves, it's just the rest of the human race that isn't worthy to own anything sharper than a crayon.
 
2013-01-09 06:41:01 PM  
Hate to rain on the parade for either side here trying to make that one argument never made before on the issue that will sway everyone for good but.....

Folks this was Biden speaking off-the-cuff at a short presser before he went to speak with some "victims of gun violence" - it is likely complete bullshiat that he's going to be in major trouble for saying.  Biden is notorious for saying these types of things - it's his entire legacy as a matter of fact.  He and Chuck Schumer were the carnival barkers in the senate for years.  They'd go right out to the press and claim they have the votes to pass some bill even when it was clear they didn't - they like stirring up shiat.

Biden tends to relate things that may have been mentioned in strategy meetings, but not taken as the plan of action.

I seriously doubt this is really what they are planning on doing.